Honda Ridgeline - Quick Trip To The Machine Shop
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2024
- Time to take this head to the machine shop have the valves touched up and see if we can get to the root cause of this problem. Now my machine shop guy was a bit shy so we don't get to see the whole process but we do get a little peek. Enjoy!
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That old guy may not have a future as a UA-camr, but he is an absolute treasure. A kid in that area would be wise to volunteer to push a broom in that shop and spend all his free time there.
Hell, I'm 33 and I'd push a broom for that man for a chance to learn from him. :)
@@rhkips Ditto hope Eric can make some connections for some interested folks that want to apprentice with that man
I'm 62, Id push the broom, clean the toilet and even do windows to get 10% of his knowledge. Id also walk that nice 'ol doggie as he could teach me what he's learned hanging around the shop!
Panhead49EL that's how I got my start. Ripping down engines and cylinder heads, hot tanking, then moved into pressure test and magna fluxing, crack repair. Finally got to move into cylinder head reconditioning and assembly, the clean work. Believe me there was a lot of floor sweeping and mopping in between jobs. But the best thing that I did was punching out and offering to stay late doing what ever while the owner worked on his car engines and customers cars engines. Guys like this fellow are a dying breed.
Yes he would
Nice. Those kind of good small machine shops are a god send, those older guys with decades of experience are priceless. Plus he has a shop dog hanging out so that makes it a legitimate shop...haha.
That dog probably been around the shop so long, he can fix heads.
I've got Johnny Rackleys here in Mesa, AZ that is AWESOME!!! They've done so much talented work like filling in aluminum heads that have been rotted out by plain tap water destroying the heads water ports and grinding back down during head plane process. Supplying thicker head gaskets to compensate for plaining the head etc. Great guys.
Looks exactly like the best machine shops I've experienced! Older gentleman, dog roamin' the shop, man of few words, let's his work do the talking for him. And country....doesn't get any better than that.
I ran CNC machines for 12 years. One thing I learned is that when you deal in thousandths of an inch tolerances daily you get a Keen eye. If an old machinist tells you something is warped or out of round, he is usually right!
Machinist's eye!
The "" old guy "" in his machine shop is a priceless find today, especially at 74 and still going !!!! These are the people who built America and shaped it - sadly - there are no replacements today for them - a dying breed of experience and talent !!!! I would hold open a door for him, plow his driveway snow, and buy his dinner if I saw him in a restaurant - RESPECT - is what it's all about .... and he has earned his many times over !!!!!! Great video and diagnosis, and wonderful analysis of the head components by Wes and how to tell what's wrong. Never a dull moment at the "" South Main Auto "" garage !!!!!
Clearly, what is most needed in America today are good apprenticeship programs. Our "one size fits all" education system is not serving our needs nor those of our students well at all. Everyone has their own special abilities and talents yet all we do is continue to cram our young people into the same tiny, scholastic box.
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Vicious cycle type precedent being set today. Our machines and vehicles are designed to be a throw away item, so why do we need to train people to rebuild them? Case in point was the Pontiac Vibe engine replacement, just grab a junkyard engine and replace the old engine instead of rebuilding the original engine. Things today are not designed with servicing in mind. You would think with all the environmental hoopla it would be the opposite, but it isn't. Huge waste of resources in my opinion.
If you judge a fish on his ability to climb a tree, he will live his entire life believing he is stupid and / or useless to society.
It's not just kids needing some training. I'm 37 and have no career skills. College got me nowhere and I forgot everything as time passed. They need to have apprenticeships for people of all ages and for many kinds of trades. I've wanted to work in IT ever since I was a kid but couldn't ever get my foot in the door. Now I'm stuck being a medical courier and barely make enough to live.
Right on the money, sad there is no young person working with that man to learn his skill set, maybe Hannah should consider interning with him. If he dies that is it for the talent pool of small shop engine rebuild shops in Eric's immediate area.
I retired after 30 years in the Navy. Tried the whole retirement thing but found I needed a reason to get up. A long time friend of mine has owned his machine/engine shop for 45 years. He's 67 and still works 16 hour days at least a couple times per week with all the business. People send him stuff from all over the country because there's not many like him around who are truly "old school". He only had another guy working for him and he exclusively does the heads. He needed someone to be a "go-fer" so he could just concentrate on engines and not ordering parts, running for supplies etc....He "hired" me and I've been doing it now for 2 years. The amount of knowledge he and his ilk have is amazing. I've learned through doing now and really enjoy getting dirty and picking his brain. Although we specialize in vintage American iron...we still have a fair amount of business from dealers and indy's so see a lot of Subies/BMW's etc..Guys like that just get stuff done. It's not what they do...it's who they are and it IS difficult for them to give it up. I don't see Gary "retiring" anytime soon...I literally think he'll do it as long as he can physically handle it.
That is a awesome statement you made! "Experience doesn't cost it pays".. Aint that the truth
True Story!
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I would love to spend 30 days in that mans machine shop. You can cannot put a price on that knowledge. it's priceless. Much, much , respect.
It's awesome that you took time to show us a little machine shop time due to folks (customers) don't understand why or what equipment it takes to test or repair heads. Trying to explain this to customers is like speaking German, swedish & french at the same time to folks. This video will help.
That gentleman is doing God's work keeping vehicles alive. It's getting difficult to find good machine shops anymore.
Awesome video Eric. You tell Rodger "Thanks for letting us all into his shop." Yes it will be a sad day when he decides to retire. People like you and him are hard to come by. Too many are out there to get the buck and take off. You guys are Number one in my book dude. -John
Thanks John :)
for sure
Eric you live in a little slice of heaven. Very pastoral images on your trip to the machine shop.
Experience is key! Everything he did then you could tell he's done a million times. I love an old timer who's seen it all. Hope he keeps his hand in! Great video Eric. Good series.
I do agree with you. I know i guy (75) he still makes copper radiators for oldtimers by hand, the honeycomb comes from India. I have seen him making radiators for the Dion Bouton's 1899. The customer asked him to make 2 so he will have one spare in case he stopped working. His son will take over the shop but misses the experience.
I am so damned impressed what you go through for your customers, Eric. You are part of what made this country great. So is the old timer like me you are working with.God Bless You, son.
That camera shy gentleman knows more than all of us combined. He is about his profession, and craftsmanship. It would be most awesome to have an extended interview with him. How he found his craft, thoughts on the machinery and his greatest challenges, failures and triumphs. For through that we can learn from a master. He may need to be "behind the curtain" when you do so, but know we would all be most beholden.
The man in the machine shop is a true testament to
" He has already forgotten more than most of us will ever know".
Good Video Eric.
same 4 guys from the cheap seats ,It wouldn't be an SMA video without the guys from the cheap seats Love listening /talking to the older machine shop guys who probably got more power out of flat head v8s back in the day . Respect to you gentlemen cant go fast with out you . Eric noticed how polite and respectful you were ,its nice to see that as good at your job you are you still showed respect I like than in a fella or woman for that matter. If your father sees this video of you he'll have no complaints about his son's behaviour Take care Eric & family Daz uk
I'm an older guy[76] and i had my stroker engine built by one of these older gents back in February. He showed me the many flaws/mistakes the previous builder had left. We really learn the hard way as to how important that experience is. The younger guys just need time to get there. Not enough new ones coming up either. I thought i knew a thing or two about engines, boy did he give me an education as I assisted in building this stroker. Things you can only learn working side by side with these racing engine experts. Much respect......
You are blessed to have a good machine shop in your area. We had one, until the old man died. Sons didn't want any of his business. Auction day the whole area showed up. Only other place is napa, who ships out, and doesnt know how to take a valve for something else and machine it for a rare head. If it can't be found in a book, they cant do it.
Whoever Eliminated the shops class out of schools killed this type of shop and many other things here in America........
The Liberals and far Left in this country, gov. run schools dumbing kids down for their political purposes.
I suspect they were already killed off. It is not like the shop owner had a stack of jobs backlogged due to not being able to find any help.
Also shut down: Libraries and music programs, just to make students more complete well-rounded drones.
Hey Tama Drums, Roland Session Kit here! My machine shop programs were cut by school management who definitely were not liberal. Most all upper management are republicans and they dislike industrial training programs because they are super expensive requiring extensive floor space, modern equipment and trained instructors. My math classes only needed chalkboard and seats. Free trade shut down my tool shop thanks to China's dumping practices so no need to train for non existent jobs. Sorry folks, glad I am retired.
A lot of the problems are also due to how people’s mentality about cars changed.... a vehicle is a big investment and (or was)you kept it for 20 years or so and you kept their service records and all......., now due to car companies selling junk that has to be taken out of its misery 4 or 5 years later , that , plus management pushing car sales and leases like crazy has killed the demand. If customers don’t want to service their vehicles cause they know that they are gonna trade it in the next year, well I guess it’s not needed anymore........... thanks you all!
Hey bud, as a retired mechanic I really enjoy your vids even if they are old. Makes .e smile remembering all the crap Ive worked on. Good on ya bud!!
The fact that he's 74 and still doing work like that is mind bogglingly amazing to me. Obviously he loves what he does and I've got nothing but respect for the guy.
thats the way to go, treat that lady good and she will come back for more work its all about the customer wish we had more shops like yours in this country dealers in fla we just call em stealerships
Tell him he can’t retire, he has so much knowledge and skill to pass on. Also tell him that 74 is the new 44.😁😁😁😁😁😁
I worked in an automotive machine shop for 8 years early in my career. Enjoyed learning from an older guy and turning out quality work. Glad to have had the experience. It was pretty cool seeing his shop and it took me back to the day, so to speak. The one thing I remember most was an old 50's chevy six cylinder that had been laying in the mud for years and I beat it apart with a two by four and a hammer. After all the machining and cleaning I reassembled it. From rusty scrap to a workable engine. Lot of fun for me. Thanks for taking the time to make the videos. Your time is appreciated.
You are blessed to have a machinist with the skill, knowledge and integrity that man possesses! Not often you find someone with those "old school" qualities today! Awesome vid Eric!
That machine shop guy knows what he's doing, very cool.
Guys been doing it for longer than I've been alive and he's probably forgotten more than I know love it excellent complement those kind of people are what made America strong too few of those guys around anymore appreciate it, EO
Automotive machinists are a dying treasure. These guys have a ton of experience and know what they're doing. I have a guy in town that I've gone to since I was 14 and I'm 42 now. He's always treated me right. It's going to be too bad when they're go e and we have to go to advance auto parts to get our machine work half assed in comparison.
I love being around old cats like that. They have a lot of knowledge especially if you're helping with the minor things while work is being done. Living & working in the same vicinity is priceless.
I would feel most fortunate if you were doing the work on my vehicle and he was doing the head repair because you are right, experience doesn't cost, it pays. It's great to see you have so many great viewers also on your channel, by reading alot of the comments here that appreciate yours and his great work. And also for what it's worth, a dog is man's best friend, and both you and Wesley get extra marks from me for loving their dogs. Great channel Eric and I know you will thank Mr. Wesley from all of us too.
Your drive and visit to the machine shop is as good as UA-cam gets.
Eric, I did not know if he was ever going to allow you to talk. LOL. Man of few words, excellent in his trade, performing great work in a small independent shop. Everything I love
Great resource you had working with that gentleman all these years. I always seek out the older generations for their advice and workmanship. Plus they take time and pride in their craft!
Going be tough to follow up.
I bet that old guy has a bunch of tricks up his sleeve to make a stock set of heads flow like no other. Guaranteed his head jobs have won races in the past. I take all my firearms to a gunsmith like this. Pushing 80 years old but he's the best gunsmith in the state. My colt 1911 has the smoothest trigger I've ever felt in my life thanks to his skills and experience.
Wish I could double like this one. Loved watching this gentleman role that valve in his fingers. He knew the story way before he stuck it in a machine to measure. He's certainly a treasure. Thanks for sharing.
I have done. Two or three motor rebuilds, and always send the heads out to the machine shop to professional like this gentleman , nice to watch him work , and the tools he uses , another great video , Eric, O.
Those hands are experienced hands, you can tell by the way he handles it. I bet he is really awesome to work with.
Thanks mate, the machine shop guy, he is awesome too. Sad he is gonna retire soon.
Man, that countryside is gorgeous! If it weren't for the winters, I'd be there!
Two experts working on the problem together .... I enjoyed this video
When I was a kid, we had a great machine shop in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. It's great to have a skilled machinist! Thanks again for sharing!
I think the Honda tech hit the valve while turning the motor over by hand after the bad TB change. Felt the binding and fixed it before he cranked it. But they did make physical contact and tweaked it a tiny bit.
I am from Southern California and this scenery is pretty new to me. It looks beautiful
Hey Eric I love your channel, I’m a fellow mechanic out of work and watching you keeps me sane. Your a great Mechanic man. Keep up the good work bud.
Build just enough onto your existing Shop. When he retires, buy his machines, transport to SMA. Now- all work done In House. Teach yourself how to use them (more than you already know) and hire a PT Machinist if needed. Most things can be learned Online. You already know the basics. You could've easily done what he did. Worthy experience comes with time and failure. You're still young. In a few years- one of your Sons could be interested in helping you, just as you did with your Father. Generations of Mechanics & Machinists are how it's done. Word of mouth is the cheapest and most powerful form of advertising- all it takes is a satisfied Customer.
He's a man that will never truly retire. The joy of being a machinist in this day and age with his experience is your expertise is needed and competition is non existent so he can leisurely go about his work and tinker. My grandfather was an USAA mechanic and machinist and only finally retired when his body simply wouldn't let him do anything anymore but he still did little jobs on his own time.
Machine work done while you wait....
And wait and wait...
the drive out to the machine shop brought back fond memories of NY State. Hard to find good guys like Wes that know what they are doing.
Yes sir he is a one of a kind and every time I go there he tells me he is gonna close the doors :(
This kind of work was what my Father in Law did his whole career, anyone from the Tampa area might know of his shop, Triangle Automotive on Dale Mabry Hwy. Like your machinist he really never retired, sure he shut down the business, but then he had a whole shop at the house, which he operated up till he was near 80. He loved what he did. Soon there will be no shops that do this kind of work. Lucky we still have a older guy that operates a shop in Tampa, but hes getting very old also. I used to go and help in my fathers in Laws shop on Saturdays ( sweep and clean ), I enjoyed every second of it. Rich Kids would bring their brand new 68/69 Chevells in and have the engines blue printed and balanced and reworked. This is when I started to understand the difference between the rich and poor, myself being the later. :)
Lol I was wondering if this was gonna bring back memories for any one. I sure have some of my own going to places like this with my dad growing up and hanging out in the machine shop while he was dropping off or picking up parts.
Man even the dog is old ! It's awesome to have someone around with his experience , hope he passed it down to his kids or grand kids. Keep the dream alive..
That drive to the machine shop had some gorgeous Scenery Thanks for bringing us along Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
What a cool old man. The knowledge he must have and the history he's lived.
Its nice to see when one specialist have a lot of respect to another one. Good video Eric. All the best.
always give credit where credit is do
No one noticed the sweet sweet poetic irony of Eric taking a bad Ridgeline head to the machine shop in his new (and appropriately upgraded) Tundra? Almost like he got out just in time! Couldn't have made a better choice if I say so myself, BTW. And I echo the comments on the loss of the old timer. It's a sad reality. Everyone's studying to be a damn lawyer these days. Like we need more of those. WE NEED TRADESMEN, DAMMIT. This country was built on them.
Was built on them and will fall apart because of lack of them.
That is probably why America has turned in to a lawsuit society because of useless lawyers. Everybody wants to become rich from stuff like "my coffee was too hot, burnt myself, I'm suing" F_CK OFF your coffee is supposed to be hot. OR another good one "we know what the credit card companies don't want you to know, no bankruptcy, we will make a deal where you repay next to nothing on what you owe". Who do you think is paying for schmucks like those bastards?---THE REST OF US WORKING OUR ASSES OFF. I agree with "E W", lawyers are filth especially defense attorneys.
You are correct on needing tradesmen There is however a major problem no one wants to pay them My son makes in inflation-adjusted dollars 1/2 of what I did (he is welder and machinist with gov. clearance) (I was a plumber, machinist, engine builder, diagnostician) I just saw an add for a local job welder/machinist must be experienced and pass tests 13-16/hr It is not that we don't have anyone with skills but the pay is 30-35/hr and should be closer to 60 in today's dollars Why would anyone do these dirty physically demanding jobs for what checkout girls make
I love it when you are filming your countryside when you driving, guys like this old man is not easy to find live my self in a small place and in any field it is almost impossible to find someone to trust most of the time they do not now what they are doing.
Eric your so right having an experienced engineer is worth his weight in gold.
I always find i am like a kid in a sweet shop when i go to my engineer shop ,
love having a look aroud and asking the dumbest questions its just awesome.
Eric - thank you for a very interesting vid on the Honda. Like you I couldn't wait to see what was inside #5! The tour of the machine shop was also of interest. I was a mechanic in the late '50s, before any computers. I have never lost interest in mechanical matters and I find your diagnoses highly interesting. Tools have improved tremendously. Love your work. Larry
Great to be still working at 74.
That is the M.O. here. Work till ya die
screw that .. I am 53 ,,can retire in 4 years ...here I come Florida LOL
Doesn't matter where you live...you better have something to do when you retire other than sitting home watching TV and fighting with the wife.
cbsctomh I have been bodybuilding for 38 years .. six pack right this moment ...I will not be sitting on the couch getting fat .. I will be at the beach picking up 20 year olds :)
good luck with that Mr. Creepy
Your in my neck of the woods here!! im one town over in Troupsburg! Mr. Rogers has forgot more about building engines (specifically turn left in a hurry engines!) then most guys will ever know! Great guy!!
Thats real America right there. Looks like where I live. Best country ever. Great scenery shots.
Years ago when I still had my Outerlimits I had a pair of motors built by a guy just like this. He was a legend in offshore powerboat racing and I was lucky enough that his shop was close by to get work done there. Similar one man shop kinda place, and the work took forever, but only because there was a 3 year backlog of people waiting to get work done. At the dyno shed, they made about 1250hp each and were absolutely bulletproof. I had a blast with that boat but sold it just before the first overhaul.
Nice. Machine shop out in country air and sunshine, looks like a good, clean life. I be 74 nezt month and I am not old. been retired 12 jear. My advice, just semi retire, his skill abd knowledge got him this far, like your Dad, this business his his heart. I loved the ride along, I would have bought my own Cone if you would have let me out of the truck. We need to have a talk. You # 1 Channel.
Beautiful country over there. Fun to see the landscape away from the shop once in awhile.
I was wondering if the PCV hooks into that particular intake port possibly causing extra oil in that cylinder. Just a thought
Hands on experience for many a year will always pay,you can read books and have all the degrees but unless you have got stuck in and got your hands dirty then your just not going to cut it
Damn right
Wow, would love to spend a month with that guy. Thanks to you both for sharing this trip!
Nice one! Thanks for taking us along Dr. O!
This is shaping up to be quite the fun little video series on this ridge line.
I've used valve grinding machines, but had manual tool for removing the retainers and springs. Good times :)
Thanks for the ride through the country, when I think of New York i often don't think of the beautiful country side.
Great video Eric. Wesley looks like one of those guys you don't mess with! Will be great to see his handy work when it's all done. Keep 'em coming!
I had to chuckle at the comment when you said you were going to the "backwoods" for the machine shop in Woodhull with a population of 1650 ,Avoca population 2150 LOL Mr O.....great machine shop guy..... lots of experience.
love drives on the country side in the early mornings. there is nothing more peaceful.
I like the dog
I always tried to learn from guys like that because they have all kinds of knowledge that needs to be carried on , old guys rule
at least your not hung up on that intake you didn't have to remove...
In my opinion, which isn't much, is that the dealer tech had let the cam slap the the valve when the timing belt off. Notice when your turning the cam in the other video how it has some kick. Another possibility is that he had it a tooth off and started it and realized it later and corrected it. In 4k miles I would say that you could build some carbon with a leaky valve. Good video for sure.
I think in this case we may never know
Thats the truth. I had bought an 05 TL with 87k that had the similar 3.2 Honda motor. It was leaking oil from head gasket between head and block. The guy I bought it from said the dealer did work on it 3k ago. I called and they said it had some stripped head bolts and they pulled the head and put time certs(helicoils) in the block. 92K it was still leaking so I changed the motor myself. Just another example of how dealerships work.
Ya the preponderance of the evidence points to the dealer tune up. After taking her 80,000 mile bran new baby in for scheduled service, she gets it back with a bent valve. The dealer " I know your used to 6 cylinders, but 5 is ok"
What more can you want in life but to cruise the back roads with ice cream in a toy-oater...
I appreciate your machinist letting the camera in his shop. It was quite interesting.
Yeah he was a bit shy though
A good auto machine shop is a valuable resource; pro or DIY'r.
Man i would love to work for someone like that I bet that guy has a wealth of knowledge.
He has forgot more than I will know
Awesome video, great old guy knew his stuff. A dying breed of guys who do that type of job. Great job!
Experience doesn't cost, it pays! Couldn't have said it better Eric, Thanks!
12:48 Look at his HANDS. A lifetime of work worn on those mitts! Wow.
Also, Didja give that doggo a good rub before you headed out. Arguably the most important question from this video.
I took a 4 year Apprenticeship to become a toolmaker the kids today do not want to get their hands dirty.
You live in a pretty part of the country.
Agree, love those contry sides and animals
Upstate is nice
"Experience doesn't cost, it pays." Man I'm using that one.
its great to have a machinist you can trust, I have tried many of machine shops and always seem to have some sort of issue. There was one time, I did not take the camshafts out of a head I took into a machine shop and when I got it back, 2 of the rocker arms fell out.
New York State is just beautiful. Thanks for the drive.
I just want to say, that's a beautiful country side there Eric. Thanks for sharing!
A man of few words but tons of wisdom
thanks for taking us their to show us what goes on and explaining everything,
Beautiful country there.Great field trip.
My theory: either cam or belt was installed 1 tooth off, while turning over by *hand* to check, piston simply *pushed* against valve. There is enough mechanical advantage to do this. After misalignment was discovered and corrected, engine assembled- it was too late. Leak became worse as valve face angle burned, carbon built up, then stem was further weakened and burned. *Dealers fault*
That's a good theory.
I agree that's a logical theory - unfortunately there is no way to prove that is what happened! And therefore no way to really get $$ from dealer!
yeah I'm afraid you're right,the vehicle has been out long enough to get the oil trail leading to a off center valve and started suckin oil into that cylinder,the carbon build up is the direct relation to the cam belt installation,when doing any kind of timing chain,belts,don't let engine get out of sync,not even a little bit,these little engines have gobs of spaghetti ,wires,vaccuum lines galore,the relationship of timing is critical,despite engine size,ERIC you were wise to get the experience check,he's a little older than me,when we're gone all of that machine knowledge is gone too,i watched the first two videos,when you pulled the head I saw the oil,your compression test verified it
Problem appeared after timing belt changed. Suspect you are correct, and the dealership did the dirty on their customer. Impossible to prove.
@@davidhutchison3343 how long ago was timing belt done.
It would have taken time to build up carbon
Very interesting tour to the machine shop. I've watched parts 1, 2 and 3. Need to have a rest (see the family!) before the next one. Your videos are an absolute goldmine, thanks.
AUCH! Dark chocolate soft serve! A true thing of beauty to behold, sir!
NICE driving montage, too.
Maybe you should consider learning from him and taking over his shop when he retires. Would be a valuable addition to your business.
Ever heard or carbon jacking before on a valve? I imagine that gentleman do do a head with his eyes closed. Love seeing that. For 74 he looks really good. Thanks for the video.
Sometimes people like this old dude retire and find themselves bored after a while. Then they start taking in jobs again from old "special" customers.
Few years back I had a guy who did my break jobs 2 years into his retirement, he said he loved to do it because we would talk all things football (soccer) whilst he was working. One day I got to his place and no one answered, his neighbours told me he had passed away. He was around 74 too and he was damn good.
Same kind of thing happened with my grandfather who was a truck driver so he had to retire at 65. Despite having a really good pension he started working part time as a van driver just to keep him self busy and sane.
I enjoyed the tour and respect your consideration of the owner. I predict that within your lifetime Eric, that you will see all internal engine repair will go back to the factory or designated engine reman. facility.
Thanks for the tour Eric.