We have personally transferred over 500 reels of 8mm...this is in the top two highest quality films we have worked on, and surely one of the highest quality 8mm concert films ever recorded!
I remember, when I was just a lad, not even a teenager maybe, seeing a hotel bar sign advertising Rush, Max Webster, David Wilcox and more. I managed to sneak in as an adult later and saw good bands in the bars in the early 80s. Man those days were great. I'd swap them for now anytime. Going into record stores and finding Ac/DC, Judas Priest or Led Zeppelin etc came out with new albums. Iron Maiden was a new band nobody knew. What a great time to be an adolescent.
Thank you again everyone involved. These videos take an unbelievable amount of work and we would NEVER be able to do this with out your help and dedication to music and the artist. Thank you so much
OMG. This is the RUSH that I fell in love with. The album was All the Worlds a Stage. It had just come out and I was blown away. RUSH in color really makes this a treat. Oh to have a full length concert of this. Thanks for this.
I'm happy i saw Rush 4 times before the teagic death of Neil Peart. I'm a huge Rush fan & though Peart is gone i'd like to see Lee & Lifeson come out with new music. Rush to me is The Best Canadian band of all time!!
I think they are one of the best bands ever, no matter where on the planet they hail from. My kids are Canadian, so yeah, canada rules for great musicians in my eyes.
For a 61 year old longtime RUSH fan such as myself (along with all the other oldtimers), this is an absolutely mind-blowing holy grail of some footage! I freaked seeing this, with absolute joy! I only wish there was more. Cheers and MUCH THANKS!!! 😊
All the Worlds a Stage was recorded on June 11, 12, and 13 at Massey Hall, Toronto. The film from Oshawa Ontario was about a week later, so the match up is excellent. Brings back a lot memories of early Rush since I was in university in Southern Ontario at the time. Volume on the Marantz stereo was cranked full.
Saw a guy coming out of the library in high school with All the World a Stage under his arm. I spotted the drum kit on the cover. I stopped him and asked what album is that? he tells me this is a Live Rush album. I borrowed it from him barely knew the guy, missed 2 classes listening to it with headphones on a turntable in the library. Bought it that weekend, saw them in concert in Ottawa for 2112. The rest is history. Lifelong fan.👊
Been a RUSH Disciple since April of 1975 and having seen RUSH 53 times Live and in Living color, this video is absolutely a Family Reunion and there are a TON of Fans in here who no doubt agree! RUSH Is Literally Tattooed On Our Souls....I'm grateful to have had the pleasure of sharing the air in many venues with the Best Damn Band and Cult Of Fans Ever! Salute To All
Anthem [0:00] Lakeside Park [2:46] 2112: Overture [3:40] 2112: Temples Of Syrinx [4:25] Fly By Night [4:47] In The Mood [5:09] By-Tor And The Snow Dog [5:37] Working Man [6:34] Finding My Way [6:58] Drum Solo [7:10]
5:36 Those few seconds in By-Tor and the Snow Dog with Alex performing the Mother of all Pick Scrapes up close and personal, live on camera gives me closure. I've listened to All The World's a Stage for 47 years, and wondered how he did it. Now I've seen it, and it's glorious. (He even seemed to be pleased how awesome it sounded.)
If you've never been, then you should go ... the carnival still comes through in the spring and the carousel is still 5 cents, and, yes, the lighthouse, the willows, the pier, the sand, they're all still there ...
My god, this is a thing of beauty; I can't believe how good it looks! Thanks so much for your awesome work. I hope Ged and Alex get a chance to watch this!!
I was lucky enough to see this tour,meeting them on their tour bus as I snuck back stage. Remember Alex and his guitar tech sharing a joint. This tour and "All The Worlds A Stage" was epic.
thank you again. I have never seen footage this great of Rush from this era. Again rest in peace Speedy and thanks to this incredible team for releasing these for fans who can truly appreciate this. we are all getting older and it's awesome to have these little glimpses of what was. so it's very appreciated. thank you. I am going to be watching this sooooooooooo many times!!!
Some days..... Three guys, three instruments (four if you include Geddy's voice), no guitar changes every song, no pyrotechnics or laser lights, just rocking on.
This is the RUSH that the world fell in love with. THANK YOU for making it possible for us to trip back in time to see this epic hay day performance. Rush Rules!
Thanks for posting. I'm reading Geddy Lee's autobiography and I'm currently right around this timeframe. This added a ton of dimension to the book - thank you!
The footage looks great. I appreciate it! But everyone should know the sound is not original from this Oshawa show. It is lifted from the All the World's a Stage album and overdubbed on the footage. Hence all the cuts. But I do give credit for whoever edited it....excellent job syncing it up. And it is also a testament to how tight and precise the band was....
Incredible job on putting this footage together. Rush live video from the 70's is unfortunately few and far between. Fun to see these guys so young and vibrant. Alex's axe of choice seemed to be the Les Paul during that tour.
Saw them on this tour in Cleveland. I was 14. Thank you, Mom and Dad for letting me go!!! Fun Fact: WMMS in Cleveland was the radio station that got RUSH on the map in the States.
Epic. Reading in the Wandering the Face of the Earth book about how many times early Rush video footage was lost or destroyed will always give me grief. Thanks for making this.
@@robmclaren8705 A few pieces of Professionally shot footage are assumed to be lost to time. The book mentioned how on the Hemispheres tour, several shows in the UK were filmed and recorded for a scrapped live album called “Live In England”. The footage is supposedly lost now, but the audio is apparently still in the archives.
Great to see the boys in color from back then. They are so poised, happy and confident...and so, so good. The audio sounds exactly like All the World's a Stage. I mean, that's because it is, I get it. Excellent sync job!
My thoughts exactly, I can't believe more people didn't notice or comment. I'd like to know if this is the actual video footage of that recording or just a great sync job
I just caught the tail end of arena rock !! Someone tell me what happened to arena rock !! You used to be able to see great bands . In my humble population 35 000 town I saw Kim Mitchell, max Webster, goddo, a couple 3 band bills, rush, iron maiden, krokus, accept and kick axe Not to mention the bars were really kickn in the 80s !!!!
This is unbelievable! Thanks so much for posting. This was the day before my 8th birthday, I would join the Rush party about 6 or 7 years later. Best band ever.
The video is outstanding, I've looked for years and never found anything worthwhile from the 2112 tour, and there seems to be no video at all the the classic Neil solo from this era, so this is great. The audio here is from All The World's a Stage, wish it was from the actual performance here, but still incredible.
Best live band. Ever. Sorry to those who didn't witness it firsthand many times. SRV best live singular performer, but this is the band. Saw good, great, bad, average, mainstream, autotuners, on and on. Rush performances were genuine and intense. 3 hours plus shows. Thanks for everything Neil Alex and Geddy. RIP Mr Peart.
I seen them at the Glasgow Apollo about 78/79 ,I was a very blinkered young Punk at the time but my god did this band open my eyes to what music was all about,Absolute fuckin legends ❤
Love how there are so many commenters in their 60s and maybe older. Awesome to think some day there will be guys who are in their 90s or older rocking out to Rush. 🤘
Thank you - fantastic. All of the official Rush video footage is hard to watch because they insist on jumping around so much. This footage holds steady and just captures them doing what they do.
Agreed, can't stand the quick scene edits and shaky camerawork of modern concert recording... like the video is all about the camerawork and editing and "look how clever we are" instead of the music.
I saw Rush when they were just starting out, they were just a house band in Toronto at the Abbey Road Pub. It was in the early 70s you knew they had something special. 🇨🇦🎼🎸
This footage takes me back to 1977Saw them for the first time and only time @ Wings stadium, Kalamazoo, Michigan and it gives me chills watching this footage. Lifelong Rush fan! Forever!!!
What a great little piece of history. I was 15 when this happened so just a tad too young to borrow dad's car and drive to the Shwa so thanks for the chance to see them before the Tom Sawyer era. Nice to see Alex's playing reflecting Page's influence in his leads. Thanks again!
Brings back memories. Only got to see them twice, both times in the 70s in the same small town hockey arena; first warming up for Kiss - and we were stagefront, like the video view - and the next year headlining with....? It WAS somebody good and who everybody would know, but hey, I'm old.
We have personally transferred over 500 reels of 8mm...this is in the top two highest quality films we have worked on, and surely one of the highest quality 8mm concert films ever recorded!
You do a great job. Thanks ✌️
thank you G Music also. the audio was amazing!
Outstanding work
What would be the other 8mm of this interesting top 2?
An amazing 1977 Styx film we worked on a couple of years ago. Denis DeYoung contacted us to get a copy for his collection!
I remember, when I was just a lad, not even a teenager maybe, seeing a hotel bar sign advertising Rush, Max Webster, David Wilcox and more. I managed to sneak in as an adult later and saw good bands in the bars in the early 80s. Man those days were great. I'd swap them for now anytime. Going into record stores and finding Ac/DC, Judas Priest or Led Zeppelin etc came out with new albums. Iron Maiden was a new band nobody knew. What a great time to be an adolescent.
Thank you again everyone involved. These videos take an unbelievable amount of work and we would NEVER be able to do this with out your help and dedication to music and the artist. Thank you so much
Do you have Rush Hartford 2002?
@@felipeaoyama3274 We only have reels from the 70s in 8mm
Do you have one of Rush at Armadillo World Headquarters in Austin for Oct 31, 1975?
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Do You have the Whole Show??? or Just This Teaser????
But if this medley can be made i must assume the entire concert(s) are on video? Young raw RUSH was the best.
If anyone ever doubts that Rush was considered to be heavy metal in the 70s, this video should lay those doubts to rest for good.
Absolutely and I argue this fact with Rush fans and metal heads alike
OMG. This is the RUSH that I fell in love with. The album was All the Worlds a Stage. It had just come out and I was blown away. RUSH in color really makes this a treat. Oh to have a full length concert of this. Thanks for this.
I wish I could find the full concert also
Why couldn’t they have always sounded like this?
ATWAS was recorded from two shows at Massey Hall in Toronto. It's cool that their show in Oshawa on the same tour sounded the same.
The audio is from ATWAS
I'm happy i saw Rush 4 times before the teagic death of Neil Peart. I'm a huge Rush fan & though Peart is gone i'd like to see Lee & Lifeson come out with new music. Rush to me is The Best Canadian band of all time!!
I think they are one of the best bands ever, no matter where on the planet they hail from. My kids are Canadian, so yeah, canada rules for great musicians in my eyes.
They were good with their original drummer rutsey. Have a look at very early Rush music on UA-cam. 1973
As a teen of the 70s and now 63 Rush has always been the band for me. Love this. Thanks for sharing...
Same here also Man, saw this tour in Milwaukee at the RIVERSIDE Theater. Max Webster toured with them.
Yeah man, 61 and they were the band for me.
@@petmycat2720 I was there awesome show
@@petmycat2720max Webster was awesome.
@@paulpuerling9504cool never knew the played the civic. Just 3 years prior at the genosha
For a 61 year old longtime RUSH fan such as myself (along with all the other oldtimers), this is an absolutely mind-blowing holy grail of some footage! I freaked seeing this, with absolute joy! I only wish there was more. Cheers and MUCH THANKS!!! 😊
60 and I could not agree more.
WOW!!!!
Igual, tengo 61 y pienso exactamente lo mismo!
Another 61 year old here. Yes, I love 70's early 80's RUSH! This footage is a treasure for me too!
I'm 47!... was just thinking wow Rush was doing this 4 mos. into my life.. Lifetime Rush fan drummer @@davidandrew477
Absolutely wonderful footage! What really stood out for me is how good Alex is as a guitarist. He is so underrated compared with other guitarists!
hes probably my favorite guitarist, as a drummer.. 80s lifeson sealed it for me
The 70’s showed Alex’s real dirty heavy roots, where he came from. He’s the heavy side of the band for sure.
Alex being his goofy self is priceless!
We have so little Rush footage from the 70s, and this already looks incredible. Excited to see this!
Their early music with rutsey was awesome... working man prior
I saw this tour at the Santa Monica Civic in Ca. I was 13yrs old. It was a shared bill RUSH/UFO Schenker era.
I was there too at 16 years old, first concert, scalped tix
See early RUSH live in this early performance is the next best thing to see 69-73 Zeppelin live!
I saw Led Zeppelin in 72 and these guys are just as good live.
Look how young my 3 knuckleheads were....thank you rush for writing the soundtrack to my life.
4:50 Damn, Alex! Such a masterful, articulated take on that FBN solo.
All the Worlds a Stage was recorded on June 11, 12, and 13 at Massey Hall, Toronto. The film from Oshawa Ontario was about a week later, so the match up is excellent. Brings back a lot memories of early Rush since I was in university in Southern Ontario at the time. Volume on the Marantz stereo was cranked full.
Saw a guy coming out of the library in high school with All the World a Stage under his arm. I spotted the drum kit on the cover. I stopped him and asked what album is that? he tells me this is a Live Rush album. I borrowed it from him barely knew the guy, missed 2 classes listening to it with headphones on a turntable in the library. Bought it that weekend, saw them in concert in Ottawa for 2112. The rest is history. Lifelong fan.👊
Rush has spoiled us with so many professional shoots over their career, to see something like this from so early on is truly a treat!
An absolute monster band at the peak of their powers. Thanks for this gem.
Been a RUSH Disciple since April of 1975 and having seen RUSH 53 times Live and in Living color, this video is absolutely a Family Reunion and there are a TON of Fans in here who no doubt agree! RUSH Is Literally Tattooed On Our Souls....I'm grateful to have had the pleasure of sharing the air in many venues with the Best Damn Band and Cult Of Fans Ever! Salute To All
... though it's just a memory some memories last forever ...
@@Cel111 😃 Gotta go play me some "Lakeside Park"...appreciate the memory 👋
Oooooh ... Lakeside Park ... one of my absolute favourites.
Seems odd to think that it's a song that Geddy said personally he never really liked but he sang it so beautifully live and on the record
I was at this very show !!! 16 yrs old !!! In love with RUSH since !!!!
I'm dying to know what building this was in, is it still around?
@@baileywoodroffe Oshawa Civic Auditorium and it was demolished in 2010
@@baileywoodroffethey performed 3 years prior at Oshawa Ontario 🇨🇦 genosha hotel
Amazing! At 2:50 Neil loses a stick, but recovers quickly. lovely to see this show in such detail! Thank you.
I noticed that too. Had to scan the comments to see if anyone else noticed it. haha. It looks like he deliberately tossed it! 😆
He tossed it and got a fresh stick 😀 🥁
Alex. The guitar genius. Even Eddie VH thought so.
Eddie said that to rolling stone when he was declared the best. Eddie said u better check with Alex lifeson on That !!
Anthem [0:00]
Lakeside Park [2:46]
2112: Overture [3:40]
2112: Temples Of Syrinx [4:25]
Fly By Night [4:47]
In The Mood [5:09]
By-Tor And The Snow Dog [5:37]
Working Man [6:34]
Finding My Way [6:58]
Drum Solo [7:10]
5:36 Those few seconds in By-Tor and the Snow Dog with Alex performing the Mother of all Pick Scrapes up close and personal, live on camera gives me closure. I've listened to All The World's a Stage for 47 years, and wondered how he did it. Now I've seen it, and it's glorious. (He even seemed to be pleased how awesome it sounded.)
Alex Lifeson, best Rock guitarist out there
Lakeside Park was my secret favorite on the live album. Great to put a picture to the performance.
If you've never been, then you should go ... the carnival still comes through in the spring and the carousel is still 5 cents, and, yes, the lighthouse, the willows, the pier, the sand, they're all still there ...
Hard rock at it's very finest! Saw them live in 2002 and 2010, Alex is my greatest influence on playing guitar! Love em all! MONSTERS OF ROCK!!
Rush 74 to 77. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
And of course to 2015.
My god, this is a thing of beauty; I can't believe how good it looks! Thanks so much for your awesome work. I hope Ged and Alex get a chance to watch this!!
They have mentioned in many interviews that it’s difficult to watch old videos and listen to their live recordings from that era.
Holy shit!! This was fantastic! Brings tears to an old man’s eyes!
@@mcraft2240Difficult to watch? Whatever….
I was lucky enough to see this tour,meeting them on their tour bus as I snuck back stage. Remember Alex and his guitar tech sharing a joint. This tour and "All The Worlds A Stage" was epic.
thank you again. I have never seen footage this great of Rush from this era. Again rest in peace Speedy and thanks to this incredible team for releasing these for fans who can truly appreciate this. we are all getting older and it's awesome to have these little glimpses of what was. so it's very appreciated. thank you. I am going to be watching this sooooooooooo many times!!!
*Wow! Gives Me Hope There's An Unedited Moving Pictures Tour Video Out There Too! I'd Give Thousands For That!*
Alex absolutely rips.
Some days.....
Three guys, three instruments (four if you include Geddy's voice), no guitar changes every song, no pyrotechnics or laser lights, just rocking on.
This is the RUSH that the world fell in love with. THANK YOU for making it possible for us to trip back in time to see this epic hay day performance. Rush Rules!
Absolute brilliance
Geddy's voice had a lot of power in the beginning
Saw Rush 18 times. Once from the 11th row.
Three of the best musicians ever!!
The great Tommy Vance from the BBCS Radio 1 once called them the best 3 piece orchestra ever.
My oh my. The power, skill, precision, and melodic beauty is beyond my comprehension. I will never understand how anyone can be this skilled.
Thanks for posting. I'm reading Geddy Lee's autobiography and I'm currently right around this timeframe. This added a ton of dimension to the book - thank you!
I wish there was more video of All The World A Stage
I only saw Rush 7 times, but every show was awesome and a great time.... 2 of those shows were with John Rutsey on drums....
The footage looks great. I appreciate it! But everyone should know the sound is not original from this Oshawa show. It is lifted from the All the World's a Stage album and overdubbed on the footage. Hence all the cuts. But I do give credit for whoever edited it....excellent job syncing it up. And it is also a testament to how tight and precise the band was....
Probably the best trio of all time
Incredible job on putting this footage together. Rush live video from the 70's is unfortunately few and far between. Fun to see these guys so young and vibrant. Alex's axe of choice seemed to be the Les Paul during that tour.
Saw them on this tour in Cleveland. I was 14.
Thank you, Mom and Dad for letting me go!!!
Fun Fact: WMMS in Cleveland was the radio station that got RUSH on the map in the States.
Epic. Reading in the Wandering the Face of the Earth book about how many times early Rush video footage was lost or destroyed will always give me grief. Thanks for making this.
Tell us more friend! What was lost and destroyed and how?
@@robmclaren8705 Oh I can't remember, I think it was earlier-years footage. There's like 2 or 3 spots in the Wandering book that says this.
@@robmclaren8705 A few pieces of Professionally shot footage are assumed to be lost to time. The book mentioned how on the Hemispheres tour, several shows in the UK were filmed and recorded for a scrapped live album called “Live In England”. The footage is supposedly lost now, but the audio is apparently still in the archives.
This is great. I saw them a year later and they were getting big but not "huge" yet. For me the best rock trio ever.
2:03 camera-operator: “swipe left, swipe left!”
Lmao 😂😂he had to say no homo after that one
Great to see the boys in color from back then. They are so poised, happy and confident...and so, so good.
The audio sounds exactly like All the World's a Stage. I mean, that's because it is, I get it. Excellent sync job!
I'm 65 years old. I didn't think I'd ever see a video of By-tor from this album. THANK YOU
Synching up the live recording
of All The Worlds A Stage was
a nice touch!!😎 I know that
recording all too well…
My thoughts exactly, I can't believe more people didn't notice or comment. I'd like to know if this is the actual video footage of that recording or just a great sync job
If you look up "Marshall tone" in thr dictionary, this is what you will hear, lol. Damn, that's as good as it gets!
Matching these video clips to the audio from All The World's a Stage was probably a nightmare to do! But well done!!!
I just caught the tail end of arena rock !! Someone tell me what happened to arena rock !! You used to be able to see great bands . In my humble population 35 000 town I saw Kim Mitchell, max Webster, goddo, a couple 3 band bills, rush, iron maiden, krokus, accept and kick axe
Not to mention the bars were really kickn in the 80s !!!!
Neil lost a stick during Lakeside Park and didn't miss a beat. The greatest.
To see my favorite live album in concert, At 62 years old GREAT WORK!
Well, pieces anyway 😑
No doubt about it, this is all the worlds a stage, best sound ever from a 3 mens band
Nice job on the lighting getting the shadows lit up and similar to modern video!!! (Formerly ACELLOFAWARENESS)
This is impressive. I was not expecting this to be so great.
This is the live video performance of All the Worlds a Stage live album. Need to see unedited. Incredible this would be.
This is unbelievable! Thanks so much for posting. This was the day before my 8th birthday, I would join the Rush party about 6 or 7 years later. Best band ever.
The video is outstanding, I've looked for years and never found anything worthwhile from the 2112 tour, and there seems to be no video at all the the classic Neil solo from this era, so this is great. The audio here is from All The World's a Stage, wish it was from the actual performance here, but still incredible.
Some of the coolest Rush footage I have ever seen. Bravo!!!
Solid Gold 🏆...BY-TOR AND THE SNOW DOG very cool too see Alex roasting...ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE maybe BEST RUSH LIVE album EVER 🥇
Best live band. Ever. Sorry to those who didn't witness it firsthand many times. SRV best live singular performer, but this is the band. Saw good, great, bad, average, mainstream, autotuners, on and on. Rush performances were genuine and intense. 3 hours plus shows. Thanks for everything Neil Alex and Geddy. RIP Mr Peart.
Great video thank you always been a Rush fan since the 70s is there possibly a full version of this out there ? 5:54
The Beginning of GREATNESS..RUSH..:)
I seen them at the Glasgow Apollo about 78/79 ,I was a very blinkered young Punk at the time but my god did this band open my eyes to what music was all about,Absolute fuckin legends ❤
Love how there are so many commenters in their 60s and maybe older. Awesome to think some day there will be guys who are in their 90s or older rocking out to Rush. 🤘
Thank you - fantastic. All of the official Rush video footage is hard to watch because they insist on jumping around so much. This footage holds steady and just captures them doing what they do.
Agreed, can't stand the quick scene edits and shaky camerawork of modern concert recording... like the video is all about the camerawork and editing and "look how clever we are" instead of the music.
Some of the later songs may be better BUT - this is my favorite Rush era! Ya know, the flashbacks are killer!
This is video GOLD-should be archived somewhere as something of historic value
Thank you thank you thank as I wipe the tears
70's Rush, at their most magical and majestic best.....
I saw Rush when they were just starting out, they were just a house band in Toronto at the Abbey Road Pub. It was in the early 70s you knew they had something special. 🇨🇦🎼🎸
I wish i had this on dvd dang. Some good chhhiit
This footage takes me back to 1977Saw them for the first time and only time @ Wings stadium, Kalamazoo, Michigan and it gives me chills watching this footage. Lifelong Rush fan! Forever!!!
Grateful to have seen them a couple of times in 77!
Just when we thought we had seen everything, this footage is great.
What a great little piece of history. I was 15 when this happened so just a tad too young to borrow dad's car and drive to the Shwa so thanks for the chance to see them before the Tom Sawyer era. Nice to see Alex's playing reflecting Page's influence in his leads. Thanks again!
Dear god, how did I miss this party? Thank you... just thank you!!
BEST Power Trio in all of Rock no doubt about it! LEGENDS!!
I discovered Rush exaclty at that time. Geddy's voice was incredible.
Rush should be made aware of this, it's that good. Too bad no complete songs, but even still, remarkable stuff!
I would’ve loved to assist one of these Rush concerts from 70 era. They were full of energy
Looking forward to it!
Many thanks to everyone involved who worked on this!
Audio is from ATWAS
All the worlds a stage babyyyyyyy! Kick ass!🤘🍺✌️
Greatest Band
Ty vole. Já vůbec v těch letech nevěděl, že jsou. Od 84 jsem je začal milovat a dnes je mám radši než manželku. Miluju Rush.
The power of Ged’s voice, insane!!
Yup! Old fart here from Oshawa! Seen this show and many,many more of Rush,s tours!!😊😊😊
Brings back memories. Only got to see them twice, both times in the 70s in the same small town hockey arena; first warming up for Kiss - and we were stagefront, like the video view - and the next year headlining with....? It WAS somebody good and who everybody would know, but hey, I'm old.
This was the period I remember from my Rush gigs. Go Hammersmith Odeon!
THE COOLEST 1970S RUSH FOOTAGE OUT THERE OH MY GOD....we know theres more
Not much of a Rush fan, but this video is epic. Thanks to everyone involved in presenting this to the world 47 years after the concert.
Lots of Bieber fans don't get RUSH. Someday your musical tastebuds might align correctly...ROARRRRRRR!!!
@atomicwedgie8176 what's a "Bieber "???
The serbian guitarist is on ofvthe best rock has ever had.