+Too Glam To Give A Damn This ""lowly Silvan Elf" line just drove me crazy, since it’s completely out of character for what Tolkien wrote about Thranduil, Legolas, and the Sindarin elves in Mirkwood :( There is nothing to suggest that the Sindarin elves would have been against their children marrying Silvan elves. And, in fact, Legolas (having been raised in Mirkwood) is basically considered a Silvan elf himself. He even refers to himself as a Silvan elf in Lord of the Rings. And when Tolkien talks about Legolas’s cultural heritage, he calls him a Woodland Elf (so, Silvan), “though one of royal and originally Sindarin line.”
@@opalo4113: It's another drop of Peter Jackson's ocean of revisionist bullshit. He ruined all of the Tolkien films, which although visually beautiful were otherwise dogshit.
Thranduil does not look down on Tauriel. After all, he rescued her when she was a young orphan. However, he's a very smart elf, and he knows that what Legolas feels for Tauriel isn't the way Tauriel feels about Legolas. Legolas is in love with Tauriel, but Tauriel loves Legolas as a friend, a brother-at-arms, even a sibling. Thranduil doesn't want her to encourage Legolas in the interest of not hurting him, because in the end, she will only hurt him more. Thranduil is well aware that protecting his son this way could result in humiliation on both sides, so when Tauriel guesses that the issue is her being a sylvan elf, the king is more than willing to let her believe that.
Eh. That's a good theory but I don't necessarily think so. I think tauriel did fall for legolas after all those years training under him. You can tell she looks happy when he says legolas is fond of her then she looks depressed when he says no you can't be with him. I think he said that because 1. He lost his wife and doesn't want legolas to go through it. 2. He just doesn't think tauriel is good enough for him. I believe she did indeed have a crush on legolas. And I mean this out of respect lol. You're theory was good tho. Lol
@@christopherwetherspoon5844 If she had truly loved Legolas romantically, she wouldn't have fallen in love with Kili over the course of a single conversation. Elves can only give their romantic love to one person at a time.
She wanted to go there, she basically asked, and Thranduil said no. So she let herself fall for Kili, even though I don't think Thranduil was thrilled about that either.
+Vania Belinda I liked adding some of the traits of arrogance and pride in Thranduil’s character, this actually helped his characterisation and motives, but I dont like this movie nonsense of him scorning the ,,lowly silvan elves” is complete hogwash, he actually adopted culture of Wood Elves despite being a Sindar from his descent :( He believed that a return to the old ways of the Elves, basically the Silvan way of life, was superior to the corrupt ways of the Noldor. With that in mind, the Sindar that followed him, embraced the Silvan people and their ways. The vast majority of Thranduil’s people were either Silvan or mixed Silvan/Sindar.
The way he whisper-speaks ( 0:34 -"other lands are not my concern") gives me goose bumps. He does it a lot, and it's so elegant and ethereal. He has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard.
oh stfu, do know how small the muslim minority is. Do you know how many different minorities there are in the UK. Do you know how many minorities who speak perfect English?
Pretty sure Thranduil knew Bilbo was there. Looking directly at him. Thranduil even knew he stole the keys from his guards. That elf chick was descending the staircase reporting to him, she was not lingering. She was on her way.
Exactly. In fact, it's very obvious that he knows Bilbo is there. First, there's the moment when he looks directly at him and asks, "Why do you linger in the shadows?" And then, there's the moment where he looks in Bilbo's direction shortly after he says, "But here in this kingdom, we will endure." I think the only reason he does nothing is because he probably feels that Bilbo isn't a threat to him or his people. Or maybe he is thinking that he is imagining things. Either way, he doesn't seem too concerned.
No Thranduil doesn't know or see Bilbo there, he doesn't own any ring of power so there's no way he can see Bilbo while he's wearing the One ring, he just feel there is a presence there, just like Smaug can sense Bilbo, but cannot know or see who that is, and Bilbo presence is not anything he he should be concerned so he probably think it's just his imagination.
@@longvo8800 Smaug couldnt see each other but smaug and Sauron are one if you watched hobbit 3 extended you know that maybe he could see Bilbo that reason
Fingolfin, Finarfin, Turgon, Fingon, Finrod, Olwe, Finwe, Ingwe, Thingol, Orodreth and Maedhros were far better Elven Kings. I will not include myself, for I didn't have the time to properly rule over the Noldor and I wasted the last years of my life seeking revenge against my father's slayer and my peerless work's thief, Morgoth Bauglir.
Fun Fact: During the filming of this scene, Tauriel WAS really lingering in the shadows. She was simply standing behind the staircase waiting for Lee Pace to finish his line and only going down from them after
You know how I would have liked Tauriel's character MUCH more? Drop the pointless 'love-at-first-sight' thing with Kili (since it takes way too much impact from Legolas/Gimli storyline in the Lotr movies) and have her and Legolas have a thing. Maybe not a full blown romance but something that could develop in the movies. Then, Tauriel would die in the Battle of the Five Armies and we could have that touching 'It was real'- exchange with Legolas and Thranduil. Not only would it bring in some looked for father-son-bonding but actually create Legolas into a character that has an actual backstory and personality. The loss of Tauriel could also explain how Legolas is so close with Aragorn in the Lotr movies; he has already lost someone close to him, he will not make the same mistake again.
It would be hard for me to see tauriel die. It definitely would've made more sense if she cared for legolas the way he did for her he was even jealous when she said don't you think he's taller than most dwarfs and legolas goes taller than some but no less ugly he clearly was falling hard.
If you ask me, Jackson really undersold Tolkien elves in this second trilogy for evoking cheep romance feelings and winning feminist claps. Tolkien's Elder Race is not exactly the kind that would fall in love with a passing dwarf even if he were one of the royal house of Durin. Tauriel's feelings for the Dwarf Kili are very uncharacteristic for the elven race who are known for their great timeless wisdom and depth of characters. They are not the sort to have crushes on random dwarves if you will excuse my bluntness. That is why Aragorn and Arwen's relationship was so significant to the first trilogy. It establishes Aragorn as much above the normal standard of men. Now by means of this single Elf character Tauriel, Jackson has managed to insult the entire race of the Elves, Tolkien's noble first-born Children of Iluvatar. Even if the character had to be included, she should have been a love interest for Legolas not the playboy dwarf Kili.
That "lost love/tragic past of a hero" is such an overused cliche. Also, making Tauriel "someone's love interest" instead of a full-dimensional and interesting character and removing such an interesting plot twist to give Legolas "more depth"? -- No thanks!
Thranduil is my favorite in this movie and I love how he's protective of legolas. Lee Pace is an amazing actor and were both from Oklahoma his home town is 3 hours from where I live at.
After watching the last hobbit movie.... I think thranduil is just trying to save everyone's feeling. Even when he found out about kili he said that the "love" tauriel felt is fake.... I mean come on... This comes from someone who lost his wife in a war.... The last scene in the hobbit the battle of the five armies really open my eyes about thranduil's act.
Kili arrives AFTER these scene... So Trhanduil did' n t know about her feeling for him.. I think Tauriel felt something here for Legolas.. I never believe that her feeling for kili was love..10 words in all movies and they fall in love?? Really? No way for me.
@@ericacalcagno5065 Wrong. Tauriel only cared for Legolas as a very close friend, nothing else. Elves can only love once in their very long lives, so if Tauriel had any romantic feelings for Legolas then she wouldn’t have fallen for Kili at all.
With Dol Guldur nearby, the growing threats of war and Sauron coming back, then the stupid spiders keeping intruding Mirkwood, Thranduil obviously has a lot to handle, hence "Other lands are not my concern." I can hardly blame him.
That and he is by nature an isolationist, as were Galadriel and Celeborn of Lothlorien. Add to that his fear of the loss of his people in a war that he experienced when he accompanied his father, Orofor to join the last alliance war in the second age, and lost better than 2/3rds of his people in that war. He only marched to Laketown (with a battalion, according to the book) not his full strength, because he was desparete to get his wife's jewels back. And his horror at what he had done, shown clearly in the scene where he recalls the army, and I suspect why he was so furious with Tauriel when she tried to stop him from leaving. All of this had to have hit him hard, and remind him of what he had lost.
You know what makes me sad? I think Tauriel may have actually felt flattered at Legolas' affection as seen with the little smile she gives. I half wonder if she might have allowed herself to explore a relationship with Legolas if Thranduil didn't disapprove of his son's affection. Oh well it's not what the directors wanted so it's not what I got. Won't be the first painful ship I've had.
principekaelthas Neither did Legolas. He wasn't in the book. Besides, that doesn't matter. Film adaptations are always different, and this story sorely needed a female presence. Tauriel was awesome. Haters gon' hate.
principekaelthas There were SO MANY ADDED CHARACTERS in this movie -- almost half of the people given fully fleshed-out characters were only mentioned, and some not even that, in the book. . . But everyone seems to be focusing on the only one that's female. . . Huh, I wonder why? Sexism doesn't exist anymore, my ass.
SammaLammaDingDong I don't think it's that at all. People enjoyed seeing Galadriel in AUJ, did they not? I personally enjoyed seeing Bard and the other new characters. I felt like Tauriel would be unnecessary within the story if they didn't create the love triangle. That is possibly why people do not like her taking up so much screen time.
Honestly, I think Tauriel did feel something for Legolas, but her hope was crushed in this scene. As much as I love Thranduil, this was kind of a low blow.
He said "do not give him hope when there is none" I doubt Thranduil forbids Tauriel and Legolas only because she's a lowborn elf. He knows Tauriel doesn't reciprocate Legolas' feelings that's why he warns her early on not to give him hope WHEN there is none. If she did have, Thranduil would proly give them his blessings. Tauriel loving Legolas in return is possible, but Thranduil warns her off not to encourage him because she's a lowly elf.
In any case Gimli was Legolas' one love - not a homosexual love, just an extremely tight friendship bond. They became like brothers who traveled together for many years in the 4th Age of Middle Earth. The EofArda isn't sure whether or not Gimli traveled into the West with Legolas in later years, though they think it was a real possibility, but they seem to be sure that Legolas would have, being immortal. So whatever plans Thranduil had for his son, it seems the One got in the way of that, and Legolas ended up with Gimli. I don't know if Elves marry and have children in the Undying Lands so who knows whether Legolas ever did.
Gimli estaba enamorado de Galadriel vean en la versión extendida, lo que me sorprende es son las personas que ven algo homosexual en una amistad verdadera y bonita.
When he said "other lands are not my concern" his voice is a beautiful memory of Alan Rickman. I mean Alan Rickmans voice was the best voice on earth but well.. Lee tried.
I'm sure Legolas said more than "Tauriel fought well today." If a son says that to his father, his father will say something like, "Oh, that's good." I think Legolas said something more like "Tauriel was great in combat today" and Thranduil said "Yes, I've seen her fight, she's good" but Legolas continued "No, no, no father, you just didn't see her! It was... great, wonderful, splendid, supernatural, beautiful, heroic" "Yes, Legolas, I have seen her fight. What is your report about-" "No, but you don't understand it, father! She was insurmountable, she looked like a Vala radiating light, moving with the speed of a leopard and the grace of a gazelle" "Legolas your report about-" "Yes I know father she is magnificent" "I didn't say anything about Tauriel, I want to know about-" "Yes, I know we should promote her to Colonel" "Legolas, could you please pay atten-" "Yes, I know, Tauriel is also... very beautiful, feminine, like a delicate spring rose (looking dreamily towards the exit, he says) I'm glad we think alike father, see you in dinner" Legolas leaves and Thranduil watches his son leave with a totally confused and displeased expression. Did Legolas realize he was there? And that's when the father in Thrnduil gets worried and says "I have to do something about this." So let's give him credit, he does it for the sake of his son.
I don't give two shits about the people saying Thranduil is a dick. I freaking love him. I think Lee Pace's representation of him is perfect; it just seems like the best delivery of the character and the way Thranduil is portrayed is amazing. I would expect an Elven king to act like he does, and there wouldn't be any "umff" in the movie with another male elf that's all feminine and chill. As for Tauriel, I do agree with the comments that say she's unnecessary. She's basically only there for the extra mushy-gushy love triangle and as much as she is a "strong female character", it's overdone. She looks like she's trying way too hard in this scene, tbh. She's there for all the feminists who constantly overreact when there isn't a strong female in the midst of male characters. Okay no more ranting from me bye :P
+FanofThings I definitely agree to both of your points here. 1. Lee Pace is brilliant in these movies. I do not think anyone else would have done better justice to this role. Also, he's incredibly hot (I would do him any day :P) 2. I do not get why feminists would fret over not having a strong female character in this series. Where does Galadriel lie then? She is such a badass that she expels Sauron with her Water ring. I am a feminist and I think Tauriel is unnecessary and cringe worthy in the movies. She has no screen presence and has extremely cheesy character. Like seriously, falling in love with a dwarf? (Nothing against Kili, he's cute.) I am more than happy to see Galadriel in action against Sauron (The Necromancer of Dol-Guldur in the movies) than watch Tauriel being an insubordinate, disobedient Captain of the Guard. I think its insulting to portray her as an insubordinate when she has such a huge responsibility with her position. Obviously the whole thing is flawed as she fails to understand the gravity of the situation if Sauron returns (which he does later on) and just lives in her own La Vie en Rose and the only thing that matters to her is Kili. So frustrating how they butchered it with her character. My favourites are Galadriel, and Eowyn. Especially Eowyn, with the WitchKing of Angmar. She kills it there.
Thranduil did the right thing. He doesn't look like she's interested in Legolas, just smug and flattered that a prince took notice of her. And that's so weird and self centered taking into accord they know each other over 600 years and even implied Thranduil fostered her. It would have been more fascinating if they went with the adopted siblings route instead of this annoying one sided triangle. Also her entire romance is just cardboard copy of Gimil and Legolas but at least those two have some valid points.
Two of the sexiest lines in the Hobbit trilogy are "Gandalf, I thought you'd said this place would be easy to find, I lost my way twice" and "Other lands are not my concern". XD Not because of the poetry of the dialogue, but because they were spoken by two of the sexiest of voices ever to grace our ears!
No director on earth have that level of perfection in selection of aritist for a character as Peter Jackson has. Every character in Hobbit and gotr movies are so real that they are born to do that role only.
En mi opinión hay una única excepción.. La actriz que interpreta a Tauriel, es muy muy hermosa, pero no le veo ese aura tan etéreo y angelical que rodea a todos los elfos, incluso a los elfos varones.
Tauriel is freaking annoying as hell. Wish she wasn't added to the film - so pointless. On a different note...Thranduil's voice is SEX. His face is pure heaven. How did she not jump his bones right then and there.....
Your explanation was interesting, but I think there's a different angle. Thranduil was an isolationist for the most part and while he would have had natural respect for Lorien, he probably would've written off Rivendell because of Elrond's questionable breeding. The film version says Legolas' mother died in battle. It is very likely that his protective father would have had even a peasant pledged to his son than another warrior who was headstrong. I think there's a hint of Thranduil seeing himself and his wife in the pair and it saddened, worried, and angered him.
Thranduil doesn’t care about everyone outside of his territory, he just doesn’t. I kinda think that apart from his arrogance and pride, he’s telling tauriel not to pursue a relationship with his son because he doesn’t want legolas to go through what he went through. He could’ve put it a different way though to her, “ Tauriel. If my son asks for your hand in marriage I want you to turn him down. The grief I felt after losing my wife was almost overwhelming and I don’t want him to go through the same thing I did with his mother.”
I know, right?! If he had carefully worded his conversations with less snobbery, it would have saved us all a lot of frustration and many misunderstandings later between him, Legolas, and Tauriel. How many times have I listened to his lectures and thinking, "Oh, boy. You so could've said that differently!"
Thranduil: My son has a crush on you. Tauriel: Aw beans. Thranduil: You're not good enough for him. Tauriel:...I don't like him like that anyway, but somehow I am still offended.
Tauriel never existed in any of the books. So the writers did what they wanted. Silvan elves were not looked down on by Thranduil, but even elves of royalty rarely married outside their caste. So, Legolas probably would have found a fellow Sindar elf to marry. Also, if Thranduil had allowed his son to form a relationship with Tauriel, we would not have had the love scenes of Tauriel and Kili. So it all worked out in the end.
Yeah... As much as I hated the part where they stretched ONE book, I hate it when ppl hate on Tauriel bcs she wasnt in the books... I mean this book was written in the 1930s and did not have ANY female characters who have an actual part in the story... Think about the timing of the production... It was in the 2010s when people would treat a movie at least like it is wierd if it didnt have any female characters. It might have been still too early to have the courage to put a LGBT canonical character...or even write a script where there isnt at least one woman who throws away everything for a guy... so I guess they were just trying to please ppl in the end. If the Hobbit was made now, it would have included LGBT non book canon characters, more women character that are not involved in romance and are there move the plot forward, maybe even coloured people as far as Tolkeins rules can be stretched. A few main characters could even be gay like Leggy who I totally ship with males. They would also focus on standing out and appealing to the majority of broader minds. They would show a few scenes where racism is solved ie btwn elves and dwarves or smth. If youve read till here youre a legend. Thanx :]
+Blaire Novala You do know that she only took the part after they promised her no love triangles, right? And then they went back on their word after she signed the contract so that se couldn't back out?
oh my goodness thranduil looks like straight from the anime character or something u know the gorgeous long haired character in shojou manga/anime.. i mean look at the voice,face, stature omg EVERYTHING he is PERFECT😍😍
Thranduil knows tauriel loves legolas so he teases her with legolas' affections then crushes her spirits lol. Now after all the fighting I think he will allow them to be together.
I never thought Thranduil disapproves Legolas' feelings for Tauriel because she's a Silvan Elf. He would simply want his son to be married to a high born elf and not a "commoner".
If you ask me, Jackson really undersold Tolkien elves in this second trilogy for evoking cheep romance feelings and winning feminist claps. Tolkien's Elder Race is not exactly the kind that would fall in love with a passing dwarf even if he were one of the royal house of Durin. Tauriel's feelings for the Dwarf Kili are very uncharacteristic for the elven race who are known for their great timeless wisdom and depth of characters. They are not the sort to have crushes on random dwarves if you will excuse my bluntness. That is why Aragorn and Arwen's relationship was so significant to the first trilogy. It establishes Aragorn as much above the normal standard of men. Now by means of this single Elf character Tauriel, Jackson has managed to insult the entire race of the Elves, Tolkien's noble first-born Children of Iluvatar. Even if the character had to be included, she should have been a love interest for Legolas not the playboy dwarf Kili.
I honestly don't think it was mere passing feelings Tauriel had for Kili. Elves can love only once so they say, so I don't think they would easily just give that love out. Besides, I think she saw something in Kili, something that sparked her heart that no one else did. Evangeline Lilly said that Tauriel found this spark of life that had been missing for so long with the Mirkwood Elves, it reignited her about life, and she was determined to protect that living fire, that light.
I can see that Thranduil don't like his son to feel what he feels when he lost his wife because he just told Tauriel not to give hope to Legalogas when there is none.
If it weren't for Tauriel saying the thing about pledging, it could even have been Legolas treating Tauriel too much like she was his own family and Thranduil not wanting to let people think he was showing partiality to a random silvan elf by saying that she fought well just bcs she's a cute lil kid..
In truth the Sindarin Elves (Thranduil and Legolas etc) did not consider the Silvan Elves 'lowly' at all; in fact the Sindar admired the Silvan Elves' more simple and rustic way of living and adopted the Silvan language, customs and even names. In return the Silvan Elves granted the Sindarin Elves lordship over them and the Greenwood. The Sindar might have been more inclined to marry amongst themselves but not for any stuck-up or purist reasons. I think at this stage Legolas was approaching the point when marriage was no longer on the cards for him. He was 1,900 years old here and Elves typically married (for love) early in life because their libido wanes as time goes on. Tauriel was just 600 here so she still had time for that sort of thing; I think Thranduil was doing her a kindness by putting to rest any notion of the two pledging themselves to each other
I like how Thranduil is like 'I don't care about the other lands'.Reminds me of my relationship in my class.I don't know what's their problem about me,I hadn't anything wrong or bad to them.Then I realized that most of them uses me from their grade.like for an example a group project about art(which I'm good at) I will do all the work and their like texting about where will they go,a mall or something and get equal grade..I don't like unfairness so I talk to the teach and said I will talk to them and give you extra grade... Since then I don't care about them because of their attitudes,for an example they were assigned in some related art in stuff,they were actually hearing out like 'what are we going to do!' Or 'If only someone here is go at art'. Then my schoolmate was like 'aren't ya Hanna help 'em?' I simply was like 'My other classmates are not my concern'...Then he got the reference and I was ended up being called Thranduil by him that day... So for anyone who has the same situation as me .Just imagine your a bad ass elven king him self.Pleas take note I'm not like a attention whore on the internet who wants pity from other people OK.... NO OFFENCE
So basically Thranduil kinda pushed her towards Kili lol I like that legolas continually stood by her side and brought her along with him even though he knew his feelings were one sided
+Jenna Ramos his feelings weren't one sided. you can see that she was happy when thranduil gave her hope about being with him and then depressed when he said no. she realized she would get no where to legolas that way.
Interesting how Thranduil is full-elven and is an asshole yet Elrond is half-elven and treats uninvited guests (such as a rude Thorin) with the presidential suite treatment in comparison.
Thranduil is much older, and has been trough a lot more "disappointments" with other races than Elrond did... especially the Dwarves... also, his father died during the war of the 2nd age, along with thousands of his kin... I really don't blame him for being the way he is... he's just done with the world, and secludes his people as much as he can.
To be honest, I found it very refreshing that in The Hobbit elves were depicted as being imperfect. It always bugged me that Tolkien seemed to portray elves as being perfect in LotR.
I doubt Tauriel can handle the orc army and the darkness in the Dol Guldur. It took the three strongest person in Middle Earth coming together to them away temporarily. Also, when he said "Legolas grown very fond of you." Tauriel's smile faded. And he warns"Do not give him hope when there is none." cuz he realized she didn't love his son. well, he mourns the death of his people's silvanelf and leading the soldiers to defend them. after all, who said "lowly silvan elf" is not Thranduil, but Tauriel.
Just like Christians and Jews happen not to like Muslims, even if all three are supposedly "people of the book" ... No self-respecting American Christian would condone a marriage to a Muslim for similar analogous reasons.
I have a sudden wish to see an edit of Thrandy being his sassy, isolationist wine-numb self set to "You're outta touch." Clearly Ive been on the interwebs too long.
Tauriel’s expression of panic/confusion when Thranduil outright says he’s pretty sure Legolas is in love with her is so fucking funny to me. I don’t think her feelings for Legolas were ever romantic, so I read that as her just now realizing that his feelings ARE romantic and being like “oh fuck he’s right what do I do now-“
I can't say I like Tauriel. Idk why, she just seems over done, like she has no flaws or anything. She's a very typical sassy, badass girl in a movie with mostly men. No, I don't want weak female characters are all, but she just seems to perfect and all that.
I'll tell you what my beef is with her. Presumably she was added "so there would be an important female character." And yet, whenever there's an "important female character," she has to be young and cute, the cookie cutter "sweet and pretty" kind of girl which is basically fan service for guys. She's not there to make female audiences feel represented; she's there to let guys have something to look at. It was exactly what they did with Arwen in Lotr: she didn't have that big a role in the book, but in the films they made it seem like it was all about her. Liv Tyler didn't make female audiences feel they were represented or they could relate; she was there for guys to look at. Male characters can be old, have wrinkles, imperfections, hair loss, bodily fat, etc-- but if they have character and strength, they can still be "cool main characters." But that's never the case with females. Ever notice how despite saying they "want to have a female in the movies so that female audiences can relate," they will never give you an important female character with age, physical imperfections, bodily fat, wrinkles, etc, the way they do with men? Female heroines are consistently the same cookie cutter "young-looking and cute, nice girl." It's just annoying to look at. Boring females who are just fap material for guys aren't "empowering." I wonder how many people in the audience even realize it's possible for a female to be important without being young-looking.
Rainy Jane Have you really seen fat and ugly principal male characters?, are you saying to me a damn elf , the wisets and prettiest of all creatures , even when they are male, should be ugly for the sake of political correctness?Do you think men all over the world feel identifiying with the "all white/blonde/evidently nordic" cast?, what do you think middle easterns feel about how all the evil guys are of their skin tone, and based on their civilizations?dont be a drama queen, and accept it's a movie, of course tauriel is made to appeal to guys too, the movie is not about female empowerment, it's a goddamn epic with full of things, you dont see in reality.
cseijif I'd be happy if they had a female elf the same age and with the same wrinkles and bodily fat as the way they portray Elrond. Even Orlando bloom had put on a lot of weight since the LotR films, and no one thought he ought to lose it the way they make female actresses lose weight for roles.
Rainy Jane you know waht ahppened to elrond right? he was the most critiqued choice of actor, because of how ugly he was, and how elfs are "fair an beautifull".Even then, no elf has wrinkles or imperfections, that's the thing with them, they are inmortal, perfect beings, that's kind of "their catch".
and what kind of room is this bathroom? bedroom? an office he stuck a lake in? 1:33 looks like a great hall / passageway and at 0:40 looks like a place to sleep and bath.
The poster of this video's text commentary is dead wrong. This is a movie designed for mass appeal, and the dialog is simple and direct and literal. Of course he is saying he doesn't want her and his son to be romantically linked. This may shatter the idea of elves as perfect beings in many people's view, but it brings them down a few notches and makes them more believable to know that yes, there is racism and class structure in elven society, despite their many abilities and talents. Elves are the first born and immortal and the most in tune with the world out of all of the free peoples. If any race would be prone to thinking they were superior, it would be the elves.
In the end King Thranduil was 100% correct. Tauriel was so broken at those words of Thranduil's rejection , that she caught "love" on the rebound with a dwarf where there was no time to grow together or have any history and the very dwarves that dealt in dishonesty with Thranduil pulling him into a mess he had nothing to do with., Tauriel sides with and she ultimately commits treason in threatening King Thranduil's life as she even turned his own son against him, just to rescue one dwarf caring nothing about her own people. She was always putting others in middle earth first before King Thranduil's people who took her in in the first place and empowered her offering her a legacy. She was a total degenerate.
thats like saying there must be compulsory loyalty in exchange for charity. I can't agree with that. they did not see eye to eye and what made the characters so compelling for me was that they each had very strong conviction and it makes sense why either of them would act the way they did.
I just realized: Since the romance subplots in _Lord of the Rings_ were based off of Tolkien's relationship with his wife, I think the same thing can go for this. When Tolkien fell in love with Edith, his gaurdian found out and told Tolkien that he would not be allowed to continue seeing her until he turned 21. So I guess you could say that Thranduil here is doing a bit of the same thing, since Legolas is apparently way older than Tauriel, who's 600-- or, to be more specific, like the uploader said, it was probably for political reasons. I don't think he was being an a**hole, I think he knew what he was doing, although not fully telling Tauriel his idea. :p
Thranduil is so evasive, never coming out and telling what he truly means behind his words, especially when discussing matters of the heart. Is it a wonder that he has us grinding our minds' wheels turning trying to figure it out?
Lee Pace's voice is smoother than silk and I love it.
I also ...love lee
Who doesn't?😍😍😘😘😭♥♥♥♥♥
yes amazing voice
Perfect casting for a Wood Elf king.
-Will they not spread to other lands?
-Do I look like I give a fuck about other lands?
Go go Thrandy! looool
He is so selfish
+Ayesha but bloody sexy as hell with his ill temper!!!!
Ayesha *intelligent
😂😂😂I like his selfishness
No you can't hook up with my son (pours huge glass of wine)
He was wrong for that. I was mad at first but now he'll let them be together.
+Too Glam To Give A Damn
This ""lowly Silvan Elf" line just drove me crazy, since it’s completely out of character for what Tolkien wrote about Thranduil, Legolas, and the Sindarin elves in Mirkwood :( There is nothing to suggest that the Sindarin elves would have been against their children marrying Silvan elves. And, in fact, Legolas (having been raised in Mirkwood) is basically considered a Silvan elf himself. He even refers to himself as a Silvan elf in Lord of the Rings. And when Tolkien talks about Legolas’s cultural heritage, he calls him a Woodland Elf (so, Silvan), “though one of royal and originally Sindarin line.”
so what are you saying
@@opalo4113: It's another drop of Peter Jackson's ocean of revisionist bullshit. He ruined all of the Tolkien films, which although visually beautiful were otherwise dogshit.
I'd pour a glass for you, elfling, but it seems, we're all out at the moment. _siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip_
Thranduil does not look down on Tauriel. After all, he rescued her when she was a young orphan. However, he's a very smart elf, and he knows that what Legolas feels for Tauriel isn't the way Tauriel feels about Legolas. Legolas is in love with Tauriel, but Tauriel loves Legolas as a friend, a brother-at-arms, even a sibling. Thranduil doesn't want her to encourage Legolas in the interest of not hurting him, because in the end, she will only hurt him more. Thranduil is well aware that protecting his son this way could result in humiliation on both sides, so when Tauriel guesses that the issue is her being a sylvan elf, the king is more than willing to let her believe that.
Eh. That's a good theory but I don't necessarily think so. I think tauriel did fall for legolas after all those years training under him. You can tell she looks happy when he says legolas is fond of her then she looks depressed when he says no you can't be with him. I think he said that because 1. He lost his wife and doesn't want legolas to go through it. 2. He just doesn't think tauriel is good enough for him. I believe she did indeed have a crush on legolas. And I mean this out of respect lol. You're theory was good tho. Lol
No way, she does not Love Legolas that way.That is clear nothing like what she feels for Kili.
shalryn
@@christopherwetherspoon5844 If she had truly loved Legolas romantically, she wouldn't have fallen in love with Kili over the course of a single conversation. Elves can only give their romantic love to one person at a time.
She wanted to go there, she basically asked, and Thranduil said no. So she let herself fall for Kili, even though I don't think Thranduil was thrilled about that either.
I love it when Thranduil gets all protective over his son.
XD ikr even though she is the perfect choice Buhaha
I mean that is all he has left lol
+Vania Belinda
I liked adding some of the traits of arrogance and pride in Thranduil’s character, this actually helped his characterisation and motives, but I dont like this movie nonsense of him scorning the ,,lowly silvan elves” is complete hogwash, he actually adopted culture of Wood Elves despite being a Sindar from his descent :( He believed that a return to the old ways of the Elves, basically the Silvan way of life, was superior to the corrupt ways of the Noldor. With that in mind, the Sindar that followed him, embraced the Silvan people and their ways. The vast majority of Thranduil’s people were either Silvan or mixed Silvan/Sindar.
Can you imagine being like more than a thousand years old, living at home with dad and he is still interfering with your love life!
Vania Belinda well after Thranduil loosing his wife to murder then you kind of have to cut him some slack
The way he whisper-speaks ( 0:34 -"other lands are not my concern") gives me goose bumps. He does it a lot, and it's so elegant and ethereal. He has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard.
oh stfu, do know how small the muslim minority is. Do you know how many different minorities there are in the UK. Do you know how many minorities who speak perfect English?
I agree. Another, "whisper-speak," moment is when he talks to Thorin about dragon fire.
@@ruqayathime8546 umm u got the wrong thread i think
@@ruqayathime8546 is it related to Thranduil's sexy voice???
@@ruqayathime8546 what happened?
the awkward moment when lee pace is younger than orlando bloom but he plays his character's dad lol
That awkward moment when people are still using that awkward moment, to get their point across.
@Ger Vang That awkward moment when I enjoy this comment/reply chain even though I'm years late.
That awkward surname that looks like it's a South Park character.
Orlando: There he is.
Lee: There he is.
Orlando: Hello dad.
Lee: Hello son.
I thought Bilbo was screwed there for a moment
Yeah! Had me on the edge of my seat. I would be so creeped out if Thranduil spoke to and looked at me like that!
Honestly I felt my soul leave my body at that moment
Pretty sure Thranduil knew Bilbo was there. Looking directly at him. Thranduil even knew he stole the keys from his guards. That elf chick was descending the staircase reporting to him, she was not lingering. She was on her way.
Exactly. In fact, it's very obvious that he knows Bilbo is there. First, there's the moment when he looks directly at him and asks, "Why do you linger in the shadows?" And then, there's the moment where he looks in Bilbo's direction shortly after he says, "But here in this kingdom, we will endure." I think the only reason he does nothing is because he probably feels that Bilbo isn't a threat to him or his people. Or maybe he is thinking that he is imagining things. Either way, he doesn't seem too concerned.
No Thranduil doesn't know or see Bilbo there, he doesn't own any ring of power so there's no way he can see Bilbo while he's wearing the One ring, he just feel there is a presence there, just like Smaug can sense Bilbo, but cannot know or see who that is, and Bilbo presence is not anything he he should be concerned so he probably think it's just his imagination.
@@longvo8800 Smaug couldnt see each other but smaug and Sauron are one if you watched hobbit 3 extended you know that maybe he could see Bilbo that reason
Nope.. the king just having to much elvish wine 😂
@@Jellyyy.m nope
King Thranduil is one awesome king and love how he speaks.
I like Tauriel too she's one awesome elf.
Mavis BeiFong Thranduill rocks... Tauriel meh she didnt sell me on the part. But to each his own.
I can't wait to buy the last movie Thranduil does Rock. i agree. some people don't like him but alot do.
Mavis BeiFong She is :)
heehee can't wait she so rocks.
"Other lands are not my concern"lol thranduil "do I look like I give a shit"
+Kassie Stepanova ....asteroids do not concern me admiral
+impassable "i need results, not excuses"
You know, those two have much in common... 0.o
Damn, that voice oozes power, sex, and coolness, I need it. LOL.
I know Lee pace just did this role perfectly and has women's panties dropping!!!
@Estrellakatarinathegreatrussian really?! Lol but okay, after all for tastes flavors
Thranduil is actually perfect :3
Yes. Perfection! The prettiest elf of all elves.
Sarah Colgan Yeah
I seriously want to see one of Thranduil's parties! :D
Watch 'Labyrinth'. I'm pretty sure Thranduil gets drunk and does the 'Magic Dance'.
Watch the pardoy of Donatella with Thranduil cosplay. You'll laugh so much 😂
Now that's an Elven King!!!
Yeah! Absolutley :-)
Elrond was better.
Fingolfin, Finarfin, Turgon, Fingon, Finrod, Olwe, Finwe, Ingwe, Thingol, Orodreth and Maedhros were far better Elven Kings. I will not include myself, for I didn't have the time to properly rule over the Noldor and I wasted the last years of my life seeking revenge against my father's slayer and my peerless work's thief, Morgoth Bauglir.
Am I the only one that held my breath when Thranduil said, "I know you're there."
Fun Fact: During the filming of this scene, Tauriel WAS really lingering in the shadows. She was simply standing behind the staircase waiting for Lee Pace to finish his line and only going down from them after
You know how I would have liked Tauriel's character MUCH more? Drop the pointless 'love-at-first-sight' thing with Kili (since it takes way too much impact from Legolas/Gimli storyline in the Lotr movies) and have her and Legolas have a thing. Maybe not a full blown romance but something that could develop in the movies. Then, Tauriel would die in the Battle of the Five Armies and we could have that touching 'It was real'- exchange with Legolas and Thranduil. Not only would it bring in some looked for father-son-bonding but actually create Legolas into a character that has an actual backstory and personality. The loss of Tauriel could also explain how Legolas is so close with Aragorn in the Lotr movies; he has already lost someone close to him, he will not make the same mistake again.
+VenusMy129 Or just remove Tauriel from the film completely, that works too.
It would be hard for me to see tauriel die. It definitely would've made more sense if she cared for legolas the way he did for her he was even jealous when she said don't you think he's taller than most dwarfs and legolas goes taller than some but no less ugly he clearly was falling hard.
If you ask me, Jackson really undersold Tolkien elves in this second trilogy for evoking cheep romance feelings and winning feminist claps.
Tolkien's Elder Race is not exactly the kind that would fall in love with a passing dwarf even if he were one of the royal house of Durin. Tauriel's feelings for the Dwarf Kili are very uncharacteristic for the elven race who are known for their great timeless wisdom and depth of characters. They are not the sort to have crushes on random dwarves if you will excuse my bluntness.
That is why Aragorn and Arwen's relationship was so significant to the first trilogy. It establishes Aragorn as much above the normal standard of men. Now by means of this single Elf character Tauriel, Jackson has managed to insult the entire race of the Elves, Tolkien's noble first-born Children of Iluvatar. Even if the character had to be included, she should have been a love interest for Legolas not the playboy dwarf Kili.
Default User94 true. in my head it appears that Tauriel finds greiving comfort with Thandruil at the end
That "lost love/tragic past of a hero" is such an overused cliche. Also, making Tauriel "someone's love interest" instead of a full-dimensional and interesting character and removing such an interesting plot twist to give Legolas "more depth"? -- No thanks!
No you are right I would not. That always makes me chuckle like damn thranduil put his foot down quickly
Exactly! Lol He says it so quickly, and the tone of his voice is different.
Lol, he put brought her spirits up by saying legolas likes her, then he just crushes her heart with his defiance.
Ha! Didn't he though? Meanie. :)
Now after the third movie hopefully he will let it happen since Kili is dead and he has changed
You're right-that probably is how the 4th movie would go. :) (wish there was one)
Strong emotional intelligence required with this thranduil. The actor who played him did great!
Thranduil is my favorite in this movie and I love how he's protective of legolas.
Lee Pace is an amazing actor and were both from Oklahoma his home town is 3 hours from where I live at.
If I close my eyes, I hear Professor Snape... He really sounds like Alan Rickman when he speaks, sometimes.
Mandina Kymin And if I close my eyes and listen I can here all the thoughts of fanfiction that will be born from this comment.
Eryn Murray can't wait to read em all = BRING IN ALL THE FANFICTION!!
Oh Thranduil you stylish bitch. You're one of the few things that I actually like about this movie.
After watching the last hobbit movie.... I think thranduil is just trying to save everyone's feeling. Even when he found out about kili he said that the "love" tauriel felt is fake.... I mean come on... This comes from someone who lost his wife in a war.... The last scene in the hobbit the battle of the five armies really open my eyes about thranduil's act.
Kili arrives AFTER these scene... So Trhanduil did' n t know about her feeling for him.. I think Tauriel felt something here for Legolas.. I never believe that her feeling for kili was love..10 words in all movies and they fall in love?? Really? No way for me.
@@ericacalcagno5065 Wrong. Tauriel only cared for Legolas as a very close friend, nothing else. Elves can only love once in their very long lives, so if Tauriel had any romantic feelings for Legolas then she wouldn’t have fallen for Kili at all.
With Dol Guldur nearby, the growing threats of war and Sauron coming back, then the stupid spiders keeping intruding Mirkwood, Thranduil obviously has a lot to handle, hence "Other lands are not my concern." I can hardly blame him.
That and he is by nature an isolationist, as were Galadriel and Celeborn of Lothlorien. Add to that his fear of the loss of his people in a war that he experienced when he accompanied his father, Orofor to join the last alliance war in the second age, and lost better than 2/3rds of his people in that war. He only marched to Laketown (with a battalion, according to the book) not his full strength, because he was desparete to get his wife's jewels back. And his horror at what he had done, shown clearly in the scene where he recalls the army, and I suspect why he was so furious with Tauriel when she tried to stop him from leaving. All of this had to have hit him hard, and remind him of what he had lost.
0:42 Lol at Thranduil's face "here in this kingdom we will endure...wtf?"
1:14 - 1:21 Tauriel's confidence really went 📉
I feel like he knew how tauriel felt about kili and that's why he warned her not to play with his bb boys's feelings
You know what makes me sad? I think Tauriel may have actually felt flattered at Legolas' affection as seen with the little smile she gives. I half wonder if she might have allowed herself to explore a relationship with Legolas if Thranduil didn't disapprove of his son's affection. Oh well it's not what the directors wanted so it's not what I got. Won't be the first painful ship I've had.
principekaelthas Neither did Legolas. He wasn't in the book. Besides, that doesn't matter. Film adaptations are always different, and this story sorely needed a female presence. Tauriel was awesome. Haters gon' hate.
principekaelthas There were SO MANY ADDED CHARACTERS in this movie -- almost half of the people given fully fleshed-out characters were only mentioned, and some not even that, in the book. . . But everyone seems to be focusing on the only one that's female. . . Huh, I wonder why? Sexism doesn't exist anymore, my ass.
SammaLammaDingDong I don't think it's that at all. People enjoyed seeing Galadriel in AUJ, did they not? I personally enjoyed seeing Bard and the other new characters. I felt like Tauriel would be unnecessary within the story if they didn't create the love triangle. That is possibly why people do not like her taking up so much screen time.
Namea I think you are right.
I think she smiled because her skills or ability were being praised by a prince who fights well.
I think legolas is the type of guy to go with his heart, if he loved her that much, im sure his father's approval wouldn't matter to him.
Honestly, I think Tauriel did feel something for Legolas, but her hope was crushed in this scene. As much as I love Thranduil, this was kind of a low blow.
Yea. She was in years when thranduil said she couldn't have him
that makes sense honestly
mhm. I think tauriel did feel something for him but had her hopes crushed. You see how happy she gets when he says that his son might love her
true. and I think she felt sympathy for kili after his stories to her
I think she is just flattered mostly that Legolas showed an interest in her as he is a prince. As she puts it she is just a lowly Silvan elf.
Lee pace voice is one of the sexiest voice in the whole world😘😘😘
I love it how the film briefly makes us think that Thranduil can see Bilbo in the beginning of the scene
He said "do not give him hope when there is none"
I doubt Thranduil forbids Tauriel and Legolas only because she's a lowborn elf. He knows Tauriel doesn't reciprocate Legolas' feelings that's why he warns her early on not to give him hope WHEN there is none. If she did have, Thranduil would proly give them his blessings. Tauriel loving Legolas in return is possible, but Thranduil warns her off not to encourage him because she's a lowly elf.
In any case Gimli was Legolas' one love - not a homosexual love, just an extremely tight friendship bond. They became like brothers who traveled together for many years in the 4th Age of Middle Earth. The EofArda isn't sure whether or not Gimli traveled into the West with Legolas in later years, though they think it was a real possibility, but they seem to be sure that Legolas would have, being immortal.
So whatever plans Thranduil had for his son, it seems the One got in the way of that, and Legolas ended up with Gimli.
I don't know if Elves marry and have children in the Undying Lands so who knows whether Legolas ever did.
Gimli estaba enamorado de Galadriel vean en la versión extendida, lo que me sorprende es son las personas que ven algo homosexual en una amistad verdadera y bonita.
Haha, I love how you subtly give all glory to Eru, the One, there. :p
@@migueascurra6328 Literalmente malinterpretaste TODO el comentario. Aprende inglés amigo.
When he said "other lands are not my concern" his voice is a beautiful memory of Alan Rickman. I mean Alan Rickmans voice was the best voice on earth but well.. Lee tried.
I'm sure Legolas said more than "Tauriel fought well today." If a son says that to his father, his father will say something like, "Oh, that's good." I think Legolas said something more like "Tauriel was great in combat today" and Thranduil said "Yes, I've seen her fight, she's good" but Legolas continued "No, no, no father, you just didn't see her! It was... great, wonderful, splendid, supernatural, beautiful, heroic" "Yes, Legolas, I have seen her fight. What is your report about-" "No, but you don't understand it, father! She was insurmountable, she looked like a Vala radiating light, moving with the speed of a leopard and the grace of a gazelle" "Legolas your report about-" "Yes I know father she is magnificent" "I didn't say anything about Tauriel, I want to know about-" "Yes, I know we should promote her to Colonel" "Legolas, could you please pay atten-" "Yes, I know, Tauriel is also... very beautiful, feminine, like a delicate spring rose (looking dreamily towards the exit, he says) I'm glad we think alike father, see you in dinner" Legolas leaves and Thranduil watches his son leave with a totally confused and displeased expression. Did Legolas realize he was there? And that's when the father in Thrnduil gets worried and says "I have to do something about this." So let's give him credit, he does it for the sake of his son.
The way he says 'why do you linger in the shadows?'....it's like being wrapped in velvet 😍😍😍
I don't give two shits about the people saying Thranduil is a dick. I freaking love him. I think Lee Pace's representation of him is perfect; it just seems like the best delivery of the character and the way Thranduil is portrayed is amazing. I would expect an Elven king to act like he does, and there wouldn't be any "umff" in the movie with another male elf that's all feminine and chill.
As for Tauriel, I do agree with the comments that say she's unnecessary. She's basically only there for the extra mushy-gushy love triangle and as much as she is a "strong female character", it's overdone. She looks like she's trying way too hard in this scene, tbh. She's there for all the feminists who constantly overreact when there isn't a strong female in the midst of male characters.
Okay no more ranting from me bye :P
Yes pj just added her to save his ass from feminazis
***** they literally said that in one of the behind the scenes haha.
+FanofThings I definitely agree to both of your points here.
1. Lee Pace is brilliant in these movies. I do not think anyone else would have done better justice to this role. Also, he's incredibly hot (I would do him any day :P)
2. I do not get why feminists would fret over not having a strong female character in this series. Where does Galadriel lie then? She is such a badass that she expels Sauron with her Water ring. I am a feminist and I think Tauriel is unnecessary and cringe worthy in the movies. She has no screen presence and has extremely cheesy character. Like seriously, falling in love with a dwarf? (Nothing against Kili, he's cute.) I am more than happy to see Galadriel in action against Sauron (The Necromancer of Dol-Guldur in the movies) than watch Tauriel being an insubordinate, disobedient Captain of the Guard. I think its insulting to portray her as an insubordinate when she has such a huge responsibility with her position. Obviously the whole thing is flawed as she fails to understand the gravity of the situation if Sauron returns (which he does later on) and just lives in her own La Vie en Rose and the only thing that matters to her is Kili.
So frustrating how they butchered it with her character. My favourites are Galadriel, and Eowyn. Especially Eowyn, with the WitchKing of Angmar. She kills it there.
Well said!
Thranduil did the right thing. He doesn't look like she's interested in Legolas, just smug and flattered that a prince took notice of her. And that's so weird and self centered taking into accord they know each other over 600 years and even implied Thranduil fostered her. It would have been more fascinating if they went with the adopted siblings route instead of this annoying one sided triangle. Also her entire romance is just cardboard copy of Gimil and Legolas but at least those two have some valid points.
Two of the sexiest lines in the Hobbit trilogy are "Gandalf, I thought you'd said this place would be easy to find, I lost my way twice" and "Other lands are not my concern". XD
Not because of the poetry of the dialogue, but because they were spoken by two of the sexiest of voices ever to grace our ears!
No director on earth have that level of perfection in selection of aritist for a character as Peter Jackson has. Every character in Hobbit and gotr movies are so real that they are born to do that role only.
En mi opinión hay una única excepción.. La actriz que interpreta a Tauriel, es muy muy hermosa, pero no le veo ese aura tan etéreo y angelical que rodea a todos los elfos, incluso a los elfos varones.
Lee Pace's Thranduil "stole" this movie just like Robert Newton "stole" Disney's Treasure Island as Long John Silver....LOL!
And like Luke Evans and Josh Gad totally 'stole" Disney's Beauty and the Beast!
Off-topic, but the music in this scene is so beautiful… That bit with the oboe, so lovely 🥰
I LOVE TRHANDUIL!!!
Maria Erebor and Mirkwood Thranduil* ;) Same!
Nathan Shehadeh ;D aww is great
Maria Erebor and Mirkwood ME TOOOOO
All that matters to me is this beautiful man lost the thing he loved the most
+Fallon Jeffers aint no one gonna read a comment from someone that use anime as his profile picture
“I do not think you would let your son pledge yourself to a lowly little elf”
“No I would not” Bro 😂😂😂😂
Did Thranduil sense Bilbo or did he hear something?
I guess he heard bilbo stepping on fallen leaf or sth, maybe.. doesn't it sound so?
buttercream 89 yeah I suppose you're right I didn't hear that small sound
***** haha how do you find my posts? xD
He was talking about Tauriel. Lol
She lives every fan girls dream...her character falls for a dwarf. The one thing I did not like about the movie. I like her with Legolas honestly.
Yes
Tauriel is freaking annoying as hell. Wish she wasn't added to the film - so pointless. On a different note...Thranduil's voice is SEX. His face is pure heaven. How did she not jump his bones right then and there.....
Your explanation was interesting, but I think there's a different angle. Thranduil was an isolationist for the most part and while he would have had natural respect for Lorien, he probably would've written off Rivendell because of Elrond's questionable breeding. The film version says Legolas' mother died in battle. It is very likely that his protective father would have had even a peasant pledged to his son than another warrior who was headstrong. I think there's a hint of Thranduil seeing himself and his wife in the pair and it saddened, worried, and angered him.
"Do not give him hope where there is none!" Lmbo
Love that dialogue!
I think Thranduil also doesnt want them to be together because Legolas is a Prince and Tauriel is far from that. Not because she's a Silvan Elf
Kim Sascha 😂 Prince Legolas 😂😅
Is Thranduil drinking wine in this scene?
Yes
I want to see him drink wine in that scene but NOOOO, Tauriel needed a close up! ugh
I think his life is probably one long chain of "need more wine to deal with this shit"
^Haha!
LOL I would like to drink wine with him :-)
Thranduil doesn’t care about everyone outside of his territory, he just doesn’t. I kinda think that apart from his arrogance and pride, he’s telling tauriel not to pursue a relationship with his son because he doesn’t want legolas to go through what he went through. He could’ve put it a different way though to her, “ Tauriel. If my son asks for your hand in marriage I want you to turn him down. The grief I felt after losing my wife was almost overwhelming and I don’t want him to go through the same thing I did with his mother.”
I know, right?! If he had carefully worded his conversations with less snobbery, it would have saved us all a lot of frustration and many misunderstandings later between him, Legolas, and Tauriel. How many times have I listened to his lectures and thinking, "Oh, boy. You so could've said that differently!"
Thranduil: My son has a crush on you.
Tauriel: Aw beans.
Thranduil: You're not good enough for him.
Tauriel:...I don't like him like that anyway, but somehow I am still offended.
Tauriel never existed in any of the books. So the writers did what they wanted. Silvan elves were not looked down on by Thranduil, but even elves of royalty rarely married outside their caste. So, Legolas probably would have found a fellow Sindar elf to marry. Also, if Thranduil had allowed his son to form a relationship with Tauriel, we would not have had the love scenes of Tauriel and Kili. So it all worked out in the end.
Allie S Tauriel was made up when they started making the movies.
Yeah... As much as I hated the part where they stretched ONE book, I hate it when ppl hate on Tauriel bcs she wasnt in the books...
I mean this book was written in the 1930s and did not have ANY female characters who have an actual part in the story...
Think about the timing of the production... It was in the 2010s when people would treat a movie at least like it is wierd if it didnt have any female characters.
It might have been still too early to have the courage to put a LGBT canonical character...or even write a script where there isnt at least one woman who throws away everything for a guy... so I guess they were just trying to please ppl in the end.
If the Hobbit was made now, it would have included LGBT non book canon characters, more women character that are not involved in romance and are there move the plot forward, maybe even coloured people as far as Tolkeins rules can be stretched.
A few main characters could even be gay like Leggy who I totally ship with males.
They would also focus on standing out and appealing to the majority of broader minds.
They would show a few scenes where racism is solved ie btwn elves and dwarves or smth.
If youve read till here youre a legend.
Thanx :]
And I thought Thranduil sensed bilbo with sauron's ring when I saw this the first time
Even after Lost all she can do is start love triangles
Blaire Novala Because Evangeline is no actress. She's a wanna-be.
Never laughed so hard. Beauty makes no actress.
She is good acress :)
+Blaire Novala You do know that she only took the part after they promised her no love triangles, right? And then they went back on their word after she signed the contract so that se couldn't back out?
😂😂😂😂😂
_"No, you're right, I will not."_
Said the most notorious Sylvussy pounder in all Arda's recorded history.
It would have been sooooo funny if he actually said "do I look like a give a fucm about other lands?" XD
oh my goodness thranduil looks like straight from the anime character or something u know the gorgeous long haired character in shojou manga/anime.. i mean look at the voice,face, stature omg EVERYTHING he is PERFECT😍😍
Thraundil knows what's up
Thranduil: Other lands are not my concern. 🙌 He is right not all battles are yours!
Totally he's so errogant when he said it and i love it .to be honest why should it be his concern ??!!
Thranduil knows tauriel loves legolas so he teases her with legolas' affections then crushes her spirits lol. Now after all the fighting I think he will allow them to be together.
Christopher Wetherspoon No, he won't since he banished her.
yeah but he was nice to her at the end so he doesn't hate her anymore i suppose
0:01 Did Thranduil knew he was there?
Thranduil is a really great father..Legolas should have treated him better
I never thought Thranduil disapproves Legolas' feelings for Tauriel because she's a Silvan Elf. He would simply want his son to be married to a high born elf and not a "commoner".
If you ask me, Jackson really undersold Tolkien elves in this second trilogy for evoking cheep romance feelings and winning feminist claps.
Tolkien's Elder Race is not exactly the kind that would fall in love with a passing dwarf even if he were one of the royal house of Durin. Tauriel's feelings for the Dwarf Kili are very uncharacteristic for the elven race who are known for their great timeless wisdom and depth of characters. They are not the sort to have crushes on random dwarves if you will excuse my bluntness.
That is why Aragorn and Arwen's relationship was so significant to the first trilogy. It establishes Aragorn as much above the normal standard of men. Now by means of this single Elf character Tauriel, Jackson has managed to insult the entire race of the Elves, Tolkien's noble first-born Children of Iluvatar. Even if the character had to be included, she should have been a love interest for Legolas not the playboy dwarf Kili.
I honestly don't think it was mere passing feelings Tauriel had for Kili. Elves can love only once so they say, so I don't think they would easily just give that love out. Besides, I think she saw something in Kili, something that sparked her heart that no one else did. Evangeline Lilly said that Tauriel found this spark of life that had been missing for so long with the Mirkwood Elves, it reignited her about life, and she was determined to protect that living fire, that light.
I know I'm way late on this but the love interest thing wasn't Peter Jackson's idea.
And, ideally Legolas wasn't in the books for the Hobbit either.
Just letting you know that PJ didn’t want this romance story at all but the studio forced him even though he really disliked it.
I can see that Thranduil don't like his son to feel what he feels when he lost his wife because he just told Tauriel not to give hope to Legalogas when there is none.
Anyone see that blooper when she gives him the bird in this scene? xD
Where???
tink_yh yeah,I laughed so hard!
Imagine Bilbo popping off the ring and Trandy's just like "Woah! Who the fuck are you?!"
If it weren't for Tauriel saying the thing about pledging, it could even have been Legolas treating Tauriel too much like she was his own family and Thranduil not wanting to let people think he was showing partiality to a random silvan elf by saying that she fought well just bcs she's a cute lil kid..
In truth the Sindarin Elves (Thranduil and Legolas etc) did not consider the Silvan Elves 'lowly' at all; in fact the Sindar admired the Silvan Elves' more simple and rustic way of living and adopted the Silvan language, customs and even names. In return the Silvan Elves granted the Sindarin Elves lordship over them and the Greenwood. The Sindar might have been more inclined to marry amongst themselves but not for any stuck-up or purist reasons.
I think at this stage Legolas was approaching the point when marriage was no longer on the cards for him. He was 1,900 years old here and Elves typically married (for love) early in life because their libido wanes as time goes on. Tauriel was just 600 here so she still had time for that sort of thing; I think Thranduil was doing her a kindness by putting to rest any notion of the two pledging themselves to each other
omg Lee Pace is perfect!!He is so beautiful and so tall and his voice is soooooo sexy!!I love him so much
I like how Thranduil is like 'I don't care about the other lands'.Reminds me of my relationship in my class.I don't know what's their problem about me,I hadn't anything wrong or bad to them.Then I realized that most of them uses me from their grade.like for an example a group project about art(which I'm good at) I will do all the work and their like texting about where will they go,a mall or something and get equal grade..I don't like unfairness so I talk to the teach and said I will talk to them and give you extra grade...
Since then I don't care about them because of their attitudes,for an example they were assigned in some related art in stuff,they were actually hearing out like 'what are we going to do!' Or 'If only someone here is go at art'.
Then my schoolmate was like 'aren't ya Hanna help 'em?'
I simply was like 'My other classmates are not my concern'...Then he got the reference and I was ended up being called Thranduil by him that day...
So for anyone who has the same situation as me .Just imagine your a bad ass elven king him self.Pleas take note I'm not like a attention whore on the internet who wants pity from other people OK.... NO OFFENCE
I like When Thurandil converted The Subject Of War to Tell Tuariel That His Son Impressed with Her Actually He Has a high Intelligence
"Do not gave hope when there is none" my mom advise to me in love😂😂😂
So basically Thranduil kinda pushed her towards Kili lol I like that legolas continually stood by her side and brought her along with him even though he knew his feelings were one sided
+Jenna Ramos his feelings weren't one sided. you can see that she was happy when thranduil gave her hope about being with him and then depressed when he said no. she realized she would get no where to legolas that way.
So it's his fault she fell in love with a dwarf. Naturally, he would never admit that!
Tauriel : Will they not spread to other lands?
Tranduil : I missed the part where that's my problem
Interesting how Thranduil is full-elven and is an asshole yet Elrond is half-elven and treats uninvited guests (such as a rude Thorin) with the presidential suite treatment in comparison.
Thranduil is much older, and has been trough a lot more "disappointments" with other races than Elrond did... especially the Dwarves... also, his father died during the war of the 2nd age, along with thousands of his kin... I really don't blame him for being the way he is... he's just done with the world, and secludes his people as much as he can.
To be honest, I found it very refreshing that in The Hobbit elves were depicted as being imperfect. It always bugged me that Tolkien seemed to portray elves as being perfect in LotR.
Rainy Jane Go read up on what the elves did to each other in the First Age. Spoiler alert, the word "Kinslaying" will show up more than once.
7spooky That actually sounds pretty interesting; which elves specifically, and what should I look up?
Rainy Jane The Noldor are the most interesting, and a guy named Feanor is where the story begins.
I doubt Tauriel can handle the orc army and the darkness in the Dol Guldur. It took the three strongest person in Middle Earth coming together to them away temporarily.
Also, when he said "Legolas grown very fond of you." Tauriel's smile faded.
And he warns"Do not give him hope when there is none." cuz he realized she didn't love his son.
well, he mourns the death of his people's silvanelf and leading the soldiers to defend them.
after all, who said "lowly silvan elf" is not Thranduil, but Tauriel.
Thranduil feels the hobbit ot he hears him
Does anyone else hear a bit of David Bowie (Labyrinth) in that silky voice of Thanduil?
So who should Legolas have? Some pretty elf princess? Why should he not want and have a beautiful elf warrioress as his lady?
Just like Christians and Jews happen not to like Muslims, even if all three are supposedly "people of the book" ... No self-respecting American Christian would condone a marriage to a Muslim for similar analogous reasons.
Sindar elves or any high class elves.
@@norellmarksalaan9587 yes true, besides I don't like Tauriel at all, Legolas deserves so much better.
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.46 Tauriel's necklace! I was wondering where this piece of jewelry comes from, since I never noticed her wearing any before.
elves never mixed in love choices of their kids except if it was human
I have a sudden wish to see an edit of Thrandy being his sassy, isolationist wine-numb self set to "You're outta touch." Clearly Ive been on the interwebs too long.
Lee wins every scene he is in
Almost feels like a poem:
The fortunes of the world will rise and fall
But in this kingdoom
We will endure
Tauriel’s expression of panic/confusion when Thranduil outright says he’s pretty sure Legolas is in love with her is so fucking funny to me. I don’t think her feelings for Legolas were ever romantic, so I read that as her just now realizing that his feelings ARE romantic and being like “oh fuck he’s right what do I do now-“
I can't say I like Tauriel. Idk why, she just seems over done, like she has no flaws or anything. She's a very typical sassy, badass girl in a movie with mostly men. No, I don't want weak female characters are all, but she just seems to perfect and all that.
we dont really see much of her.
I'll tell you what my beef is with her. Presumably she was added "so there would be an important female character." And yet, whenever there's an "important female character," she has to be young and cute, the cookie cutter "sweet and pretty" kind of girl which is basically fan service for guys. She's not there to make female audiences feel represented; she's there to let guys have something to look at. It was exactly what they did with Arwen in Lotr: she didn't have that big a role in the book, but in the films they made it seem like it was all about her. Liv Tyler didn't make female audiences feel they were represented or they could relate; she was there for guys to look at. Male characters can be old, have wrinkles, imperfections, hair loss, bodily fat, etc-- but if they have character and strength, they can still be "cool main characters."
But that's never the case with females. Ever notice how despite saying they "want to have a female in the movies so that female audiences can relate," they will never give you an important female character with age, physical imperfections, bodily fat, wrinkles, etc, the way they do with men? Female heroines are consistently the same cookie cutter "young-looking and cute, nice girl." It's just annoying to look at. Boring females who are just fap material for guys aren't "empowering." I wonder how many people in the audience even realize it's possible for a female to be important without being young-looking.
Rainy Jane Have you really seen fat and ugly principal male characters?, are you saying to me a damn elf , the wisets and prettiest of all creatures , even when they are male, should be ugly for the sake of political correctness?Do you think men all over the world feel identifiying with the "all white/blonde/evidently nordic" cast?, what do you think middle easterns feel about how all the evil guys are of their skin tone, and based on their civilizations?dont be a drama queen, and accept it's a movie, of course tauriel is made to appeal to guys too, the movie is not about female empowerment, it's a goddamn epic with full of things, you dont see in reality.
cseijif I'd be happy if they had a female elf the same age and with the same wrinkles and bodily fat as the way they portray Elrond. Even Orlando bloom had put on a lot of weight since the LotR films, and no one thought he ought to lose it the way they make female actresses lose weight for roles.
Rainy Jane you know waht ahppened to elrond right? he was the most critiqued choice of actor, because of how ugly he was, and how elfs are "fair an beautifull".Even then, no elf has wrinkles or imperfections, that's the thing with them, they are inmortal, perfect beings, that's kind of "their catch".
The whole instant elf dwarf love story thrown in just didn't work at all, but hi they tried.
We love Thranduil
We love Lee Pace
and what kind of room is this bathroom? bedroom? an office he stuck a lake in? 1:33 looks like a great hall / passageway and at 0:40 looks like a place to sleep and bath.
I've actually LOLed at this on and off for like 10mins, truer every time I watch it😂
XDXDXD IKR i guess he just chucks off his clothes and swims when he feels like. And doesnt care who sees himcuz hes KING
No fangirl dares to marry Legolas anymore, because of their father-in-law xD
The poster of this video's text commentary is dead wrong. This is a movie designed for mass appeal, and the dialog is simple and direct and literal. Of course he is saying he doesn't want her and his son to be romantically linked. This may shatter the idea of elves as perfect beings in many people's view, but it brings them down a few notches and makes them more believable to know that yes, there is racism and class structure in elven society, despite their many abilities and talents. Elves are the first born and immortal and the most in tune with the world out of all of the free peoples. If any race would be prone to thinking they were superior, it would be the elves.
Right. If I remember correctly, they have some of the same flaws of character as humans. It has been so long since I read any of the books.
In the end King Thranduil was 100% correct. Tauriel was so broken at those words of Thranduil's rejection , that she caught "love" on the rebound with a dwarf where there was no time to grow together or have any history and the very dwarves that dealt in dishonesty with Thranduil pulling him into a mess he had nothing to do with., Tauriel sides with and she ultimately commits treason in threatening King Thranduil's life as she even turned his own son against him, just to rescue one dwarf caring nothing about her own people. She was always putting others in middle earth first before King Thranduil's people who took her in in the first place and empowered her offering her a legacy. She was a total degenerate.
thats like saying there must be compulsory loyalty in exchange for charity. I can't agree with that. they did not see eye to eye and what made the characters so compelling for me was that they each had very strong conviction and it makes sense why either of them would act the way they did.
When tauriel flips thranduil off the the bts tho
That's so funny
And then he tells her to "get out of here or jump in the jacuzzi" :)
I just realized: Since the romance subplots in _Lord of the Rings_ were based off of Tolkien's relationship with his wife, I think the same thing can go for this.
When Tolkien fell in love with Edith, his gaurdian found out and told Tolkien that he would not be allowed to continue seeing her until he turned 21. So I guess you could say that Thranduil here is doing a bit of the same thing, since Legolas is apparently way older than Tauriel, who's 600-- or, to be more specific, like the uploader said, it was probably for political reasons. I don't think he was being an a**hole, I think he knew what he was doing, although not fully telling Tauriel his idea. :p
Thranduil is so evasive, never coming out and telling what he truly means behind his words, especially when discussing matters of the heart. Is it a wonder that he has us grinding our minds' wheels turning trying to figure it out?
Tauriel does not exist in Tolkien's LOTR universe. She is just a made up character for the series, nothing else.