I want them to put stuff like torghast in the game but it's completely optional sidecontent for cosmetics like mage tower. Everything feels like a chore in wow because everything is mandatory and time gated.
More mage tower-esque, less grindy and RNG. It’s fun to have solo challenges that you can do on your own and pace yourself, while being rewarded. In other MMOs they have similar content and it’s seen as a pinnacle of player skill (eg Maelstorm Arena in Elder Scrolls, Inferno in Old School RuneScape). It just can’t be randomly grindy, otherwise it doesn’t hold the same value. Mage Tower was a considerable time sink to learn and complete on multiple characters, it lead to something very apparent in game and worked well because it wasn’t mandatory, but it was a show of skill.
@@boomkin3669 It isn't bad because you're a boomkin. My mom forced me to do Torghast for her. She only plays healers, and doesn't know how to DPS. Every other class I played was an absolute chore. Boomkin I could pull the whole floor and Convoke the Elements. Combined with great mobility it makes Torghast super easy and sometimes even fun.
This stuff is what he started doing before he was a streamer. I found him in MoP using his guides to do the damn Angler's rep and finding all the Lorewalker Scrolls and all that dumb shit. And he'd do these sitdowns. I remember when the sparkle pony was added and Asmon called it back then saying "I don't think this inherently bad but people can see it coming a mile away where they put unique skins on the store and boring ones in the game." etc etc. I love all of Asmons content but these type of videos definitely hit the nostalgia bone.
the thing i want the most from WoW now is content back in the world thats deeper than a dailyquest. i want an adventure again instead of the feel like im clocking into the factory to push out 48 of the same dungeon to meet quota.
Mald man’s impression doesn’t mean anything to anybody .. he’s a casual andy with irrelevent opinions about the game let’s be honest. While I’m putting in time running keys he’s logging into his alt rats to farm a mount. We are not the same
@@timbuck2406 so truuuuuueee, those key runs will give you memories forever. Meanwhile a mount is just so limited, boring and bland. Can’t believe someone would waste their time getting a mount when they could get gear that’ll be relevant for that one patch.
Many of the players who currently play WoW do not know or did not get to play the real Vanilla-TBC-WOTLK. Where none of these systems existed. You reached max level, went to dungeons with friends and raised your reputation level and collected gear at the same time. The only thing that slowed down your progress was the reputation, which was often done while you were gearing up. And if raiding was your thing then Attunement was done on the road. You didn't have to do anything extra. That left a lot of time on your hands to do everything else in the game. Or change characters. Or come back next patch. It was a stage where the game respected your time as a player and where having fun was healthier for the mind as well. In TBC if you stopped playing 3 months into the expansion and came back 5 months before WOTLK then your character was going to be able to do the same content because it didn't lose power. With the current Seasons, if in S1 you can do +15 then by the time S3 comes out your character will probably barely be able to do +5. That's not healthy for the game or the players.
As someone who has played WoW since Vanilla, and as someone who isn't particularly fond of the progression systems in Shadowlands, I really, really hope that the developers don't take the game back in a Vanilla-WotLK direction in terms of the content's difficulty and especially in dungeon/raid design. I quite enjoy M+ and Mythic raids, and the change of seasons (particularly the start of every new season) is usually when I enjoy the game the most. In TBC/WotLK I only had the raids to look forward to as the dungeons got stale pretty fast, and even the raids didn't feel as enjoyable as any raid they've made since Hellfire Citadel (except Tomb of Sargeras and Emerald Nightmare).
@@Scruffed I know what you mean. But there is something to keep in mind. Dungeons and raids, especially dungeons, were a good way to get materials for professions and also an alternative way for the casual player to get gear. Maybe not as good as raid gear and not as fast/efficient to get, but it was an easy way and one knew that after X days or Badges one could buy a piece of gear. I mean, even as an End Game player, you saw the dungeons as useful and the casual player was doing them with or without dailies to get Badges. The moment Blizzard killed the professions and eliminated the badge system, the dungeons lost value. What's the point of entering a dungeon if you don't get anything of value? Not even for the most casual player. That was one of Blizzard's mistakes. One of the big ones. This pushed them to design what we know as M+. A way to give value to the dungeons throughout the expansion. The idea is not bad. But it is a VERY DIFFERENT system to the Raids. In one you can spam dungeons non-stop as long as you have time. On the other you have the raids, sessions that .... would vary depending on the group, but anywhere between 2-8 hours. Any M+ has an average duration of 25 minutes. You can do 3 per hour. And if you are lucky you can get 3 items per hour or more if someone trades you. And the raid ? The average is 1.2 items per ID per week. They are incompatible. People are forced to do M+ just to progress faster in Raid. I think that totally defeats the purpose of raiding. I'm not saying to remove M+ or nerf them in any way. But they should do SOMETHING, anything, to make raiding more attractive. Just in case, mounts or cosmetics do not count as "something". What the player wants is power. An advantage over others. Tier can be an option. But we all know the low drop that Raids have in Shadowlands. We also can't forget the disaster that is personal loot and the restriction on trade because of Item Lvl makes this even slower. Even if they add Group Loot, it doesn't change anything. Great Vault is GATCHA by another name. People want something straightforward.
@@Shaurize Even though Group Loot is not technically Master Loot, you can bet that any guild that would choose to use Master Loot over Personal Loot is going to require everyone to have RCLootCouncil and to trade whatever item they get to whomever the Loot Council or raid leader deems fit, which to me seems like an undistinguishable outcome to what you'd get with Master Loot. As someone who both raids and M+s for its own sake, I can't help but 100% disagree with the goal of making raiding more rewarding than M+. I'd wager that a bigger portion of the player base prefers M+ as content than raids, even when the raids are very well designed, and I think that's ok. I don't think M+ players should feel forced to raid to gain an advantage over other M+ers, and the amount of M+ you're expected to do as a Cutting Edge raider (which 95%+ of raiders aren't) is frankly pretty low and doing a +15 for a player who can clear all Mythic raid content should require very little effort, those who have lower aims in raiding could probably get away with doing no M+ at all or very, very little. I do agree however that there should be some deterministic way (it could well be something like the Valor point system that existed in WotLK) to get particular dungeon items rather than having to farm the same dungeon many times.
@@Scruffed Ah, but at no time did I say it must be better than M+. They must be on equal terms. The amount of items you can get in M+ is very different from Raids. Also, the amount of people one must gather is higher as well. We are not talking about the difficulty of the content. We are talking about the difficulty of gathering people who know how to play and who can play in that schedule. M+ has a lot more freedom in that sense. Even if you can find 19 other people who know how to play and can play on the same schedule, you still face the barrier of low drop and trade restrictions. By nature it is obvious that people are going to choose the path of least resistance. That path is M+ What can be done ? I think the solution is to add 2 things: 1) Badges of Justice 2) Extra chance of loot (like we had I think from MoP to BFA) And Blizzard would have to balance them well. In BFA I got tired of collecting ...... this currency that I don't remember the name, to buy armor. You could do it for less but it was random. This can't be random, but it can't take 2 months to buy a single piece. I think one week per off-part is fine. Pieces like chest-shoulders-pants-head should be 2 weeks. If the weapon is 2H then 3 weeks. If it's 1h then a week and a half. Trinkets could be 3 weeks just like the weapon, it can change the game in a very important way. Equipping a character only with badges should take 12-15 weeks. That can perfectly go down to 2 months if one is lucky with drops or trades. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me when the normal duration of a patch is 4-6 months. And the extra chance should be 3 per week (only in raid). These numbers can always be adjusted to the number of bosses per Raid or per patch duration. Or by whatever is more reasonable.
@@yzwme586 Man I still remember the original vanilla release 2004. When nobody knew anything and everything was new. What an adventure. That was so damn good.
It’s crazy that there are so many people who say that Asmon is a WoW/Blizzard hater when it couldn’t be further from the truth. He loves the game so much that he won’t settle for the crap they’ve done over the last few years. He always acknowledges and gives props when they make good decisions
I hope we get the same level of character customization across all races and not just evolker dragons. The last major update they did for character customization made me spend a few days going through all my alts changing the way they look.
Blizzard tuning their game based on the activities of the top 0.01% of their player base was a monumentally stupid decision. I think that's the biggest reason why they currently sit at less than 10% of their peak playerbase. They had 12 million people as devoted customers, but they spent all their time and resources on attempting to please/fight the 2000 people who wouldn't unsub even if you threatened their life. The second dumbest decision was not deciding to change direction when that customer base started nosediving.
@@UltimateGamerCC We are bothered by it because it is woke and it keeps ruining games , it starts with that and soon we are going to have KAPA PRIDE RAINBOW characters in a lot of games , no thank you . Having a gay character is different from having 2 million pronouns and other nonsensical crap like that .
@@saula8948 how is it ruining the game though lmao, i’m sorry a rainbow scares you so much. play the fucking game and stop crying about seeing a rainbow.
@@zayankhan3805 Somebody is triggered , you are clearly the people they pander , emotional and irrational , sorry your daddy left to buy some milk and now you turned up like a snowflake without a male role model .
@@saula8948 Did you delude yourself into thinking that the games fault is that dev team is woke? Have you missed the past 2 years of blizzards bullshit? Certainly not the woke people actions, certainly not their way of thinking on monetization. Complain about real issues yourselves for once.
One of the first things GW2 did with its mounts was add races, Blizz would be pretty stupid to not do the same. Most importantly about dragon riding is *it's fun.* It is something you can do _for fun_ that doesn't have anything to do with power progression or some sort of objective gain. Even if dragon racing has rewards like dragon looks, transmog or even gold, the thrill is the main reward.
I want to assume (as one logically would if this was any other dev) that if they were gonna add dragon riding they were already planning races obviously. But then again… it’s blizz…
racing wouldnt work as well in WoW as it would in GW2, in GW2 every mount acts different. they got weight to them. in WoW every mounts is the same, 0 weight. and just your character running at faster speed with the animation of being on a animal.
Yeah as usual I'm cautious about a new expansion because of the issues with the last few. I'm not going to pre order this expansion like I usually have. I am excited for the talent trees, the dragon class, etc. But not enough to pay extra for some cosmetics.
They had a good system in Classic and TBC. Basically a pre-patch/attunement to a raid for a patch itself. Naxx had a pre-event, AQ had a pre-event, Sunwell had the first patch zone as a pre-event. A great balance to unlocking gated content. Didnt feel gated, it felt like the story was unfolding. Isle of QD even progressed along with you. Really made the story and world the main character.
@@ChinnuWoW obviously, I meant to use the attunement system but combine it with the possibility to skip on twinks, not forced skip but making a decision
cmon.. stop giving the tryhards so much attention, everything isnt about competing and perfomance. WoW should be for everyone, casual or not, torghaster og m+ player, raid or pvp, players doing 1 thing or players doing all the things. The SOUL of the game isnt in M+/Raiding/PvP.. its in enjoying logging on, doing whatever you want, having something you feel worthwhile doing. Because youre having FUN.
I really hope they don't nerf that 950% speed for Dragon riding, I've wanted to go fast like that forever and if they let us use it in the rest of the game I'll be exploring all the old world with it for fun.
Which they most likely will if they want to introduce Dragonriding to the rest of the world which isn't designed to be traveled upon with such speed. You would be on the other side of the map in no time. Especially if Blizzard does have plans for Classic zones like Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms in future expansions. I sincerely doubt they would re-design both continents for that instead.
To answer your 500 mount achieve question. I could be wrong, but when they put in the 350 and 400 mount achievements the exact same thing happened. The mounts were garbage, so they gave us the frost infernal and the green firehawk ground mount.
tbh i think that might actualy be just a placeholder. I mean, they have waaay more important things to worry about on an alpha release than a random achievement reward
@@PiratDunkelbart I think the really intense collectors are a relatively small number of the players. Probably the same amount as hardcore raiders. Most players I think are just sort of goofing around with RP, M+ and PvP as well as making alts.
When sc2 alpha came out they had sc1 units as placeholders. When aoe2 alpha came out the majority of assets were from aoe1, so no, This isn't a "indie company" thing but rather common industry practice. On the other hand (and maybe i shoul'd have posted it on my previous comment) it might be a reason of concern the fact they didn't aknowledge it (again, common industry practice and they've done it before) and instead came with some random excuse.
green firehawk is still a shit reward for 400 mounts, its not easy to achieve and we got a recolor of firelands' mount. i just hope they'll do more than a simple recolor for 500. or at least a somewhat original recolor that makes the mount look actually different
Dunno, i feel like people reaction to dragonflight is as if the husband after 20 yeras of abusive relationship wih his wife where outside being alcoholic, its emotionally absuve and he hits her, he stopped drinking and everyobdy was like "now this marriage gonna be good!" despite the fact that both hitting and emotional abuse is still there, and even if there won't be there is still no guarantee it will be a good marriage
Imma be honest, i just really, really dont care about dragon riding. We’ve been able to fly for some time now, all dragon riding looks like is just more restrictive flying. Id rather they spend their time making classes better, more interesting/fun, and developing well designed dgs and raids.
@@Heywooo I want something to do besides raids and dungeons which I like but don't love. When I play ff14 I can spend hours in gold saucer activities or crafting or hunt trains or deep dungeons, etc. With wow it's pretty much just pet battles if I want a break from dungeons and dailies. I need more side content.
@@ensanesane that much I can 100% get behind and agree that it's even insanely overdue. Now we just need new unique flying models to boot. Just seeing how minimal of a gameplay change it is I get surprised seeing it mentioned as a glorious thing in comment sections. I think the failures of the art / lore team to deliver anything worthwhile for years has allowed for this to get blown up more then it should.
I totally agree that the lack of a big defining feature is a very good thing. I think they need to focus more on adding value and FUN that will outlast a single expansion. More minigames, a housing/Guildhall system, more shared spaces for certain types of players (crafters, pvpers, raiders), more interesting world content (death to boring wotld quests), etc.
I think they should take flying out and only use ground mounts. I can see have the dragon riding for mini games, but take out flying period to get people involved with the content more. For places that need flight to get to, put in flight paths.
Blizzard should consider letting players who already raided participate in more than one raid a week (but without loot rolls) but allow them to progress through the legendary quest lines after say 2 months of the current content. This would allow players to catch up through time gated quest lines and allow their friends to help them progress.
Anybody else here hasn’t played wow in 10 years nor do they have any interest in playing again, yet keep watching asmongold’s content for the entertainment value/rants?
I haven’t played since BFA. I don’t care too much about playing the game again but it’s not out of the question if the next expansion(s) turn out to be great. I catch his streams regardless of what he’s playing. Add McConnell and it’s a guaranteed great time. The transmog competition he did a few days ago was nothing short of entertaining.
Every end game grinding system I can think of that they’ve put into the game is less fun than when it’s easy to level and gear alternative characters. That’s my preferred end game grind. Also your point about them tuning around high end guild messing things up for the general population is something I’ve felt for a while.
I think end game grinding systems should only be rep farm, mounts, gold farm, arena rank etc. Paragon systems just suck the life force out of the game because you will always imagine the time required to play everytime you log in. Raids should be easy to get into and easy to clear first wing and the last boss really hard so that theres status in clearing the whole raid. These are just some quick opinions.
I think the bigger issue is that I don’t see other comments mention is that I simply don’t think blizzard deserves my money any more. They haven’t for a long time, and they sealed the deal even more with Diablo immortal. I’m never giving blizzard my money ever again and I don’t care what potentially good game I might miss out on.
I think it would be cool for Evoker to have 3 forms. Imagine if as Evoker instead of using a mount you turned into a big ass dragon to fly around as.. it would be like Druids flight form. Your Flying form would also change color depending on what color your scales are.
It would defeat purpose of all the mounts you already collected Kinda like the name of the expansion We def already flew dragons Now they reinvent the wheel
The funny thing is by them doing all the things they have done to "artificially extend game time" made people play less. They made you need to do 100 different things that take a while to be viable. For the majority of players when they switched to play an alt like they normally do in every expansion had to go through that again and said screw it and left, otherwise alot would still being playing alts to this day. I also hope that if dragonriding ends up being good they bring it into future expansions. I've watched some streams and it seems like a pretty cool feature so far of getting around the map before flying is actually released. Could be a cool beginning of the expansion "feature" where dragonriding helps you get around faster.
I actually really loved the class hall. What would be nice is if class hall wasn't mandatory for the story but a cool side quest area for xmogs and mounts for your class. And I mean like super unique xmogs and mounts, not just a recoloring of what we've already seen.
i agree with asmon, i hope they add something like a competition with a reward being a title mount or anything to make dragonriding more relevant. tbh its just flying but much faster and on new looking models
I want a luck stat. Increase it by achievement points, doing farms, overall time played etc. This gives a new, indefinite horizontal enjoyment to the game that makes veteran players feel good about their "failed" ICC runs etc etc because next week they'll have a .001% better chance at it
I don't think it's unreasonable to say "hey, you've put thousands of hours into this account and you've engaged with nearly every piece of content in myriad ways, you deserve a teeny little bit of extra drop chance while you're out there collecting"
I wonder how many players like me there are. I literally only play for the leveling experience, getting cool mog from old raids, and getting all the allied races.
I really wish we would go back to eastern kingdoms and kalimdor and have more main quest on those sides. Having world quest on those continents would be great and would be great to see everyone going back to the original roots. Just my opinion
@@markmclaughlin7706 not the same thing, sure with alts it’s cool, but going back to the old worlds with a lot of people running around instead of going back to old lands and it’s dead.
Your right and agree they need to update the old part been to long but they just want to keep releasing new continents cuz it's easier to just make a new system
@@markmclaughlin7706 unfortunately they’ll keep doing that. With all that money you would think revamping eastern kingdoms and kalimdor would be something to do, adding world quest to the old lands or something. Hopefully they can start to revamp and revive soon
in terms of immersion, dragonriding beats no clip flying in every sense of the way. this just means future expansion territories will have to be designed with dragonriding in mind, unless they decide dragonriding is a single expansion thing.
@@Blubbii88 the whole point is that they're changing direction and moving away from one-offs. hence the newtalent change, as a start into a new era without borrowed power.
Every time I have considered coming back, I looked at my spec and the glaring issues it had never truly were resolved. Seeing the spec I loved most be treated with such dismissive abandon was very discouraging
The dragonflight talent trees are so bad it’s unbelievable that whoever got paid to design them still works at the company, they put baseline abilities like interrupts and baseline passives for almost every class into the talent tree, so you waste valuable points. It’s like they put barely any effort into designing them. If you were thinking of coming back, that things have changed, they haven’t. Don’t come back
@@HermitOser yeah, but some people only connect with one or two playstyles or themes. going with the flow and playing something you don't enjoy just so you can play at all, that isn't fun. class and spec balancing needs to be fair and even across the board. meter topping should be a combination of skill and gear, not improper tuning
I think they should add more content to the class order halls as an element of the game. Some nice optional quarts to tap into the phantasy of your class with some style reward (transmog, tints, glyphs,...). Quests could explore additional lore content.
Been playing since vanilla and I think order halls only being used in a single expac is a big mistake. They were and still are really cool, and could have continued to be a hub of some sorts with a simple hearth to get there.
I'm in a spot where I want to play the game with friends but I don't want to play SL, but im also not pre-ordering because there is 0 reason to do so. Currently i'm liking the looks of what they have shown, as a semi-casual crafter I like the lack of borrowed power and dragonriding seems good so far. I imagine that dragonriding should help with not just game immersion but also should help fight bots in a way. Botters will have to either learn how to program dragonriding into their movement or be forced to be ground only when mat farming. As the saying goes I am Cautiously Optimistic, but I like what I see so far. If the alpha and betas keep going like this it may be time for me to get back in to playing but only time (or seemingly doomers) can tell.
I feel that. I wish they truly allowed us to choice where we wanted to level after we've cleaned the newer content once. I get the story team wants to give us a story so it, by its nature, has to be linear but I don't want to run it again and again, but I also grow tired of zones and the same world quest over and over. So I hope there is a overall to late-game questing etc. We'll see.
just hearing your voice in this video, it sounds like you have less weight on your shoulders, and it makes me happy just to hear a little change in tone. the hope for a better future, I want to get back into WoW because of you. you went through some real rough shit, but you are such a strong guy. Thanks for standing strong all these years, man. It helps us little guys out as well. Thanks, dude!
@@historiespiston9736 No, of course not! I'm thinking of coming back to see how the game has changed over time, and to see how it will continue to change. Because if they can implement flying like this, imagine what more they can add. It doesn't have to be some 'heart of azeroth' whole shtick mechanic, what matters is the game being made fun again, and from what I've seen, it's a small step in the right direction. I haven't gotten back into it yet, but I am hopeful!
On the subject of reskin mounts, maybe they can copy FF and reward a super unique mount if you get all the reskins like with extremes. I believe they did this with the emerald drake achievement. I would feel a lot better collecting recolors if I got something out of it.
@@dyraniemiuw6155 compared to wow is nothing. Most of the reeskin mounts are from the extremes, the raids mounts are unique, the beast tribes too, and you don't have to do it 100 times to have a chance to get.
This is a thing in each expansion. Trials drop recolored mounts, with each color relating to the fight it drops in. Then a cutscene quest to get the final mount, which is a greater version of the others. Kirin, Firebird, etc.... It's driving gameplay for many people, they play to get the expansion's Super Final Mount.
the key to adding an expansion defining feature, is to design it with the future in mind. Example, the garrisons, they fucked up by making it only useful to warlords of draenor. Doing something like Garrisons right, they'd need to make its usefulness more "general". Bonuses that help you everywhere in the world. Allow you to choose the location of your garrison, not just within WoD zones, but in other expansion zones, or old world as well. Basically, treat it like housing. Future expansions, add additions to the garrisons, and new locations to move your garrison to. Locations to move to, that requires no explaining, but like, lets say garrisons got additions in legion. Maybe they add new buildings with new uses, like a warlock circle, that lets you visit the circle to have warlocks summon a demon you can fight for unique rewards, New customization features for them, themed around new legion aesthetics, like nightborne structures and banners and stuff, or even as simple as just making the profession buildings able to train and assist with the current level of profs This isn't a wishlist or something, just the kind of thinking they'd need to adopt to stop wasting all this effort on features that get thrown out the very next expansion. Dragonriding seems to be a good example. It's something that can VERY easily be adapted into a broader system and carried over into future expansions. They could let us use the new flight mechanics on regular mounts (imagine doing the swoops and dives and shit in a flying machine), and it's VERY easy to just...let us continue using the feature in future expansions. It's not something that's chained to the dragon isles. The biggest tragedy of blizzard's old thinking is torghast. A system with a lot of potential, and showed how much potential it DID have with the updates it received, despite never reaching it. But now it never will, because they made the mistake of basing the entire damn thing around the shadowlands. There's no torghast tower in the dragon isles, and there won't be a torghast tower in the next expansion's new continent. Even for those who WANT torghast to be iterated on and carried over to future expansions, it very simply can not. Maybe they can create a new place to base a SIMILAR system within (located in azeroth so you don't have the same problem as something based in outland or shadowlands), and I think they should, but the likelihood that they will is low. They see torghast as a failure.
Blizz could carry the Mage Tower/Torghast type thing forward by just saying something like "(insert faction/group/etc here) is trying to find new ways to defeat our foes! they have set up a training simulation in order for the forces of the Horde and Alliance to develop their battle tactics" or some shit. Voila, now you can keep it fresh for every expansion!
While i do think its overkill that every WoW youtube channel has made a video dedicated to gushing about it, If its anything even close to the gryphons from guild wars 2 then it genuinely is something thats fun and will make traversing the world way more interesting.
@@coderpup4639 not the feature itself but I think it's one if those quality of life things that will just increase the enjoyment of everything else you do in the game especially if they open it up the the rest of the world too. It's like if you've ever played the ps4/5 spiderman... there is fast travel in the game but the traversal is so fun in it's own right that you never use it because just moving from point A to B becomes part of the fun itself.
@@arolux9770 its a useless feature that will be tossed into the bin like all the other ideas.. why even make this new way of flying if its only going to last 1 expassion.. until i see it staying i nthe game and improving on it over the next two expaions then its jsut waste of money and time
@@filerwill I can almost guarantee this wont be a 1 expansion feature. All of the gladiator rewards and likely m+ and raiding rewards will be dragon cosmetics which people will want to bring forward. It will be expanded to the rest of the world in the first patch if they dont change their mind for launch. Another benefit to the system is that they can make more interesting and bigger zones now without needing to consider how annoying it will be to get around with ground mounts.
I don't think dragon riding is just for casuals, its a system you interact with in a core way everyday, high end competitive activities link back to it with rewards. It changes a fundamental part of the game which is moving within the world. I don't think its that "impressive of box feature" but I do think it will elevate the entire core game. Like you've generally said many times, forget adding shiny new things and just make the base game better/ steal things from other games and tweak them for WoW. This is a perfect example of taking a core part of the game that's been left untouched for over a decade and elevating it. It's true that I'm not leading the conversation with retired friends that it coming in Dragonflight but I believe at this point that it will make the foundation of the game better.
I think they should release a race editor. Raid/party leaders could setup powerups and rings to design a course that only the raid/party members can see/use. Then they could set it up where the whole party is leashed at the starting point until the counter goes off. They could use a version of the raid marker system and maybe have an interface where predesigned races could be selected for everyone to run at once and maybe shard it off if it causes problems with video lag.
In regards to earlier expansions like TBC and WotLK not having big new flagship features like Garrisons or Artifacts... I mean, they really didn't need to. The game was at its absolute peak back then, there was no reason to re-invent the wheel. Just keep pumping out more of the same and people will be happy. And for about ten years they were. I'm not sure that this approach holds up these days. I don't know if the base game of WoW is gripping enough without something like Artifacts, or even something like m+ completely shaking everything up. I'm curious af to see if a new raid and a couple new dungeons are enough to keep people hooked for 6 months. And if after that... another raid and another couple new dungeons will do the trick then too. I'm slightly afraid that after close to 20 years, the base game of WoW that hasn't really been iterated on for the last... well, 20 years, might not be good enough to holf people's attention for 6 months. I would love more stuff like islands, Torghast, Warfronts or Mage Tower... but most of those systems were jut shit... and never really made good... and then tossed away. I could totally see these being permanent additions to the game... but for some reason they just aren't. And now we're going into a new expansion and the only new thing is... my mounts flying differently. I'm worried.
It also used to have a good story. If they take some of that flagiship feature budget and actually re-invest it into better writers then it might be able to hold people's attention span. Being big and flashy doesn't always have to be from a gameplay perspective. Imagine if they didn't bother with new zones for an expansion and isntead did a 200 year timeskip and added content and lore to existing zones. People would love that.
What works pretty well in lotro is personal loot that is tradable within the raid group for an hour. its is basically like masterloot for an organized group and its at least never awful for pugs. what they could do is have an option for individual players to pick personal or group loot, such that the pot is the same anyway, but if you set it to personal you get it in your bag for yourself and can then choose to trade it away if you trust people, best of both worlds I guess
We don't want systems in the game that revolve around talents and abilities, just put that stuff in a talent tree. We want FUN systems that are replayable for cosmetics. Something like the Mage tower, Brawloers Guild or Palace of the Dead (FF14). We do Dungeons and Raids for power, just add systems for fun on the side not tied to power. The simple fact that you start with flying will automatically make the expansion better then the past 2 expansions.
Just don't punish players for not playing your game and don't do alot of dailys. I don't want make a Torgaths runs for some currency, what if u just add some mounts drop or uniq transmog? If i don't like it i don't do it. Just don't FORCE ur players to playing game, make game fun and players will be happy
@@kegami7997 Torgast would have been good if it was a real roguelike game with crazy powers and fast paced gameplay. Rewarding only mounts, pets, tmog, etc. No power should have been involved. They could have also had a wing for leveling character from 1-60. Basically just copy palace of the dead from FF14
Vanilla was the core, tbc, wrath, cata are the 3 expansions of the old talents and building on what we have. Mop / wod were trying new things, changing the ideas of what we know and doing things that added spice. (Overhauling) Legion were the 3 system tries, lore and cinematic building. Dragonflight is a new era and a new time for wow
I disagree, I think dragonriding might help with zone immersion, more enjoyable farming and just spending time in the world. I am just speculating but the comodity of movement like that in a vast open zone is so refreshing after so many grounded/claustrophobic zones/expansions. It is how you view/perceive the new zones, it is leaps and bounds more important than pet battles. I used to mythic raid and no life the game but honestly at this point, I couldnt care less about bis gear, fastest lvling, pvp gear, IL... I want to see good/fun zones, quests, reps, profs and try new talents :)
I want the same stuff as you and the fact that Dragonriding requires you to actually play when flying, instead of hitting autorun and tabbing back to UA-cam, is great
Fully agree here. Dragonriding looks like it will break up the monotone „run from hub A to hub B“ immensely. You‘ll enjoy riding around farming stuff. You can do races and challenges with friends or you can go and try to farm yourself the sickest dragon on the server.
The largest question is will we lose it at the end of the Dragonflight. I was so disappointed by the decision of not expanding upon the class order halls system too include all levels was massive opportunity missed.
Yeah after seeing what basic dragonriding is like im actually excited to see what a maxed riding tree looks like in action and how that equates to travel times
Legendaries need to go back to being actually legendary where only 3-5 people have one on each server. Even with rep reward and quest line legendaries, they’re essentially still just epics.
Pet battles are the best! Also having faster mobility during questing with out having to unlock pathfinder1 and 2 is gonna help casual players a lot. I am a casual player. I also look forward to the new books and lore.
Im wondering if the Daily Active User mentality will be gone, since with Legion you had legendary weapons, BFA had Azerite and Shadowlands had Covenants which tied Daily activity with power progression. Daily active user were the metric Activision Blizzard uses for investor earning calls.
Asmongold talking about if blizzard spend half there time on ever green content vs raids, m+ & pvp the game would be much better off. But this expansion only has raids, pvp & m+. No ever green content.
when he said that this isnt the expansion to bring the WoW fan base back he is RIGHT ON! it needs to be the one after. With what has gone on within that scumpany over these few years internally definitely messed with their quality FOR SURE! It will be a MEH expansion, Flying Fast IS THE HYPE thing and its pathetic. GW2 just does it better.
I totally agree with the endgame progression and systems comment. As a more casual player, it just felt bad in shadowlands to reach max level and then have SO much that I still had to do. I felt like it left no time for fun stuff like mount farming or running old content. Just felt like if I didnt keep up with it, Id fall so far behind I might as well just stop playing
The only things that will save WoW at this point are: 1. Literally _everything_ being fully account-wide without restriction. 2. Never, _ever_ , have any form of temporary or borrowed power ever again for any reason. 3. All player power, in every form, is completely not time-gated. If someone wants to grind something out, let them. It doesn't affect anyone negatively. Also, side note, completely remove any additional gear RNG other than drop rate - no titanforging, no rolling for slots or extra stats, etc. 4. All "side" content, like future Torghasts or Mage Towers or reputations, are all 100% _only_ cosmetics and have literally no player power in them at all. 5. No more in-game store shit and no more 6 month sub shit. Put _everything_ cosmetic in it into the game proper as rewards for difficult solo or group content. Also, greatly reduce the prices for most other services - all they're doing is changing some code, there's literally no cost other than a few minutes of labor to them, so there's no reason for those services to cost more than a few bucks. 6. As Asmon says, _stop solely designing around the top and bottom 5% groups_ . Literally nobody cares if world first raiders or MDI players no-life the game, everyone cares when you artificially overly limit everything and design the entire game around them. Designing the game around only the top or bottom 5% _will lose the other 90% of players_
Other expacs were received really well without a big expac feature, not to mention classic as well, removing them and going back to basics is I agree the exact right move. crafting looks great but I feel they missed a trick, LW, BS, tailoring could have been all about transmog, making recolours of legacy sets, first having to get the recipes from the relevant content, mixing in mats from legacy content and mats from the new content(this includes dungeon, raiding and levelling sets). Engineering could have been all about utility items for other classes, along with all the new features added to crafting that would be interesting.
Personally I don't give any weight to any of the first impressions with the expansion because they are all based on basically just one feature, and that feature is not going to be really relevant in any of the endgame content. Once the novelty wears off and people finish the open world content is when expansions are actually tested and at this point nobody knows anything.
"I think we should do what we did last year. If the game isn't fun stop playing the game." - 2 hours in to Shadowlands expansion I could tell it was a fat dud. Subscription has been cancelled since, and I'll wait at least 1 month in to Dragonflight before I consider purchasing it. Blizzard has a LOT of making up to do.
1:02 I disagree. I think people might say they don't care, but maybe it'll enhance the open world experience so grinding stuff will be more engaging and not as monotonous.
Same. With time comes experience, and if they experience it, they might like it or not, but the most important thing should be not to bash it to ruin it for others.
Don’t worry guys, it’ll be better this time, Bobby promises. Despite there being literally nothing announced for endgame, the most generic item sets and zones you could ask for to the point it looks like you’re playing a mobile game from Disney, and large swathes of the one zone they’re willing to show off being nearly devoid of any content… it’sh totally readysh guysh! Now where’s those preorders?
Last few expansions all where with time gating elements. And you are right that started with the garisons. Its the most horrible way to keep people loging in on a weekly basis to "progress". From a business plan point of few i can understand it looks good. But infact it has the opposit effect. People dont like the be stringt along. At some point they get bored and lose interrest. Time gating content seems logical you offer less for more, but you eventualy drive away people that are not going to wait! Now apperantly if i hear this correct they finaly learned their lesson. A little to late though if you ask me. Also by now they demolished their traditional way of progression through tier sets. They ruind the way of consuming content. And they lost their way a long time ago. What will return for that? A fancy new trick like dragon riding adds nothing!!
I think Blizzard should be learning from Classic/TBC right now and bring it back to more nostalgic feel. Level 10 you get a mount? Yeah that’s a no for me, LFG system kills it for me.
@@kye4216 don’t take hours, once you get a group people don’t leave so fast. Yeah I play classic and TBC because there is a social aspect to a “MMO” instead of a massive single player game. Actual time invested to feel achievement, that’s something new generation don’t understand. Fly attention span but hey whatever floats the boat for ya. Fly attention spans and everyone’s the same. No diversity showing accomplishment
Thank goodness, placeholder Yeti lol I remember that. With Grumpus Yeti and Islands Yeti, last thing I want in my collection would be yet another yeti I use once a year for the holidays.
I'm glad dragonflying is cool but I think it's being hyped as an expansion feature a little too much, how many hours do we think the average, casual player will spend on it on month #4, maybe an hour or two at most? Without head to head racing I think the feature doesn't have a lot of replayability and if you're not playing Evoker class, what else is DF offering except the usual 8 dungeons and raid?
because there is no Story, or main Villain ...nothing. So only selling point of the game is Dragonflying WTF? You are correct , it will make people play maybe one month , because of lvl and then first Dragon and then what? its get boring.
I like the idea of Dragon racing as an annual event. If they were able to somehow keep adding the mechanic to other dragon-like flying mounts, it would be nice and eventually, maybe you could use any flying mount with the dragon flying mechanic. It gives the flying mechanic a lot more control and ability to cover more ground, so players might fly everywhere, instead of taking portals and taxis. Could also change race location every year to bring people to existing zones that have been unused for a long time. I wish they'd do more like that, really. They should open a fairground in Azshara or something. They just need to age the existing zones over time and make them relevant.
I've just started playing WoW as a new player. Finally made level 20. I'm really enjoying the quests and can't wait to play through shadowlands and dragonflight
I'm with Mcconnell in that i'm worried that I'm not seeing more "core content" than what we have at this point. 5 Months out and all we've seen is dragon riding and half the talent trees.
@Rose and Lavender this is how out of touch you are with the game, 2 weeks to max level?? How could you know how the state of the game? I know two things for sure you don't work there and you didn't get alpha so how could you know its unfinished?? I wish I could be this delusional ♡♡
@Rose and Lavender I also know this is a shocker but just cause you have kids doesn't make you the majority here?? What are you even saying? Of course people have lives but 2 weeks is not even remotely close
I still play and have since cata but man has this game gotten complicated. I took a break from the final patch in BFA and came back 2 months ago. I have no clue how to get legendaries, I don't know why i should do torghast, covenant abilities are overly complex with the tables you go to, to assign them and upgrade them. I feel like with every patch, I need to spend more and more time just to know how to play a game I've been playing for over decade. I would greatly appreciate blizz getting back to more simplistic game decisions instead of making everything take more and more time and energy to do.
i mean i still think its too early to say that dragonflight is gonna be good and everytime i saw asmon commenting on a new wow expansion its always i hope its gonna be good i just think that asmon may have a huge copium addiction
I Stopped playing wow after MOP because it was to much weekly grind to stay relevant for raids. I miss the days of lvl up. do dungeons. do normal raids. then do heroic raids. Simple but perfect
Sorry but Legion class hall and artifact spells were actually great compared to everything else. They were MEANT for the class unlike covenant trash abilities. Also, legendaries in legionnwere FUN and you could get them every single way possible.
@@berkenuyan4073 i didnt like the grinding part for artifact power but the rest was almost all GREAT, theres not much i didnt likr, maybe the outdoor zones were bad but its a matter of tastr
The big problem with Dragonflight is that yeah sure there's no obvious annoying power system(Covenants/Artifacts), or hoops you have to jump through to play the game(Visions/Islands/Torghast), but other than professions which we still need to see a lot from, they aren't making enough core improvements or changes to the game to warrant Dragonriding being the only feature in this expansion. Gear is boring, Mythic Plus is insanely toxic and not a fun idea of difficult small group content, and PVP has remained the same for a million years. The class gameplay is incredibly boring compared to some other MMOs and the talent trees have been very hit or miss in terms of interesting choices or changing up how the classes feel. The Devastation Evoker is insanely boring. Compare it to FF14's latest dps class in Reaper and you would think the Evoker came out 10 years ago, hell compare it to the Death Knight on release and it's not even close as interesting. But I also understand Asmongold's bar for Dragonflight is a lot lower than mine. As long as the game isn't insanely annoying to play, he's going to be excited. Since he doesn't really engage with the core pillars of content, just adding new zones, levels, different looking gear is all he needs.
i dont think masterloot should be brought back into the game, except for guilds. i dont miss the old days when groups reserved whatever they want for them self. ofc you could just join another grupps, but i think in general this is a bad thing.
I hope legendaries go back to being actual legendaries. Remember when you saw someone with Shadowmourne and it was like seeing a local legend. Miss that
I hope they're not crafted anymore. It was a bad feeling when you could math out how much money you could have spent on the crafted mats instead of grinding for hours on end.
Totally agree on the "new coat of paint." They haven't made fighting enemies more difficult in the world. They don't force you to sue your toolkit to survive. I don't really care what it looks like. Make me care about my mana bar again.
Too hard can feel like a waste of time too and being ultra strong to farm feels good.. I 100% agree with heroics though. It's not even hard. Mythic+ is pretty good though for difficulty.
Wow needs to re-establish what the “base game” actually is, they reinvented the wheel so much that there’s barely a game left if you removed everything that was added in an expansion. I think blizz understands this. Just hoping for a new 10-60 levelling experience.
@@DanielAnderssson it’s literally not though? Even with the past two shitty expansions and sexual harassment scandals it’s STILL the mmo with the biggest player base.
Glad he touched on the whole trade limit thing. Doing mythics and a healing or tanking ring or cape dropping and a hunter getting it but not being able to trade it cuz its an item level upgrade is wild. Also on the master loot topic he missed one. Guilds or groups just master looting items to their pals and not fairly or as loot council shows it should.
I wish they would focus more on making dungeons and having multiple raids like we used to. It sucks that we are only getting 4 new dungeons for m+ and 1, 8 boss raid… why don’t we have stuff like wintergrasp or tolbarad anymore that unlocks side raids it was so cool doing those
I think it would be a cool minigame if there was a server leaderboard for dragonflight times, and maybe some titles that you unlock after doing a run under a certain amount of time. That along with races having rewards maybe could make the feature have longevity.
not sure if WoW has something similar but during my time with ragnarok online once upon a time there used to be an event called emperium war were guilds/clans would raid other rivals strongholds. if it were to be implemented on a monthly basis where your groups coffers could be looted, it would be pretty interesting. thoughts?
I'm pretty sure Morgan said they plan on adding a Mage Tower like feature in a future patch which sounds amazing that they're planning on adding solo content purely for cosmetic rewards.
He is hyping DF so hard that it's suspicious, cmon dude, we have just seen some mediocre 900% speed flying simulator, new zones and new gnoll models. Also who cares about some 500 mounts achievement reward?? It's only for like 0,1% of players at best, they should start catering to the majority of playerbase.
Well put, excellent video I agree about the formula Blizzard has used in past expansions that kind of made me stop playing WoW after an expansion launch after reaching max cap.
Here are the 5 things I want from World of Warcraft: 1. Good dungeons 2. Good raids 3. Good class balance 4. Account wide progression (I'm happy to experience the story and increase my standing with a covenant once, but I'd rather quit than do it twice) 5. No daily or weekly chores (If I miss out by not forcing myself through Boreghast or trivial world quests, I won't log in at all anymore) I don't give a damn about anything else. Do I think that Blizzard will get these things right with Dragonflight? Hell no. This company is in the garbage right now. Zero trust. I'd be very surprised if Dragonflight turns out to be decent. If by some miracle it turns out to be good, I might play it. If it turns out to be garbage, I will enjoy watching Asmongold and Bellular trash the game. Either way I'm fine.
I’m embarrassed to admit this but hey, it’s the internet. I started watching your channel during the Depp trial and I genuinely miss you Asmon . I’m totally not into video games but I tune in now and then just to get my Hit. You really are a special energy 😘
I’m the same. I found him thanks to Depp. Now I’m hooked on his life drama, I’m only watching this one to think “wow I want to clean that room” 😅 he reminds me of my brother. Lol who when I brought up who I was watching during the trial said “oh yeah Asmon he’s pretty big for gamers”
I want them to put stuff like torghast in the game but it's completely optional sidecontent for cosmetics like mage tower. Everything feels like a chore in wow because everything is mandatory and time gated.
More mage tower-esque, less grindy and RNG. It’s fun to have solo challenges that you can do on your own and pace yourself, while being rewarded. In other MMOs they have similar content and it’s seen as a pinnacle of player skill (eg Maelstorm Arena in Elder Scrolls, Inferno in Old School RuneScape). It just can’t be randomly grindy, otherwise it doesn’t hold the same value.
Mage Tower was a considerable time sink to learn and complete on multiple characters, it lead to something very apparent in game and worked well because it wasn’t mandatory, but it was a show of skill.
Torghast isn't that bad imo
Remember Zach’s opinion on wow is always wrong
@@boomkin3669 come on bro take this back while you have the chance right now take it back
@@boomkin3669 It isn't bad because you're a boomkin. My mom forced me to do Torghast for her. She only plays healers, and doesn't know how to DPS. Every other class I played was an absolute chore. Boomkin I could pull the whole floor and Convoke the Elements. Combined with great mobility it makes Torghast super easy and sometimes even fun.
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I like trains
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To the Final Fantasy dissidia fan out there somewhere: TURTLE!
i really enjoy asmon in a more casual way when hes not putting on a show. hes got that glimmer in his eyes when he really enjoys something
This stuff is what he started doing before he was a streamer. I found him in MoP using his guides to do the damn Angler's rep and finding all the Lorewalker Scrolls and all that dumb shit. And he'd do these sitdowns. I remember when the sparkle pony was added and Asmon called it back then saying "I don't think this inherently bad but people can see it coming a mile away where they put unique skins on the store and boring ones in the game." etc etc. I love all of Asmons content but these type of videos definitely hit the nostalgia bone.
its called light reflection
Feels like hes been paid to give a review tbh..
i'd just drop a like on this comment but the likes are at 69 right now and i'm not gonna be the one to bust that
@@niallcampbell4039 Uhh no it really doesn't hahaha
the thing i want the most from WoW now is content back in the world thats deeper than a dailyquest. i want an adventure again instead of the feel like im clocking into the factory to push out 48 of the same dungeon to meet quota.
Deeper daily quests I can get behind but don't know what's the deeper than daily quests thing is you mean deeper than world quests?
No matter how many times I watch Asmongold on youtube I love how him posing for the beginning of the video is never cut :') Thankyou editors
omg i just saw this, its so cute ;(
Mald man’s impression doesn’t mean anything to anybody .. he’s a casual andy with irrelevent opinions about the game let’s be honest. While I’m putting in time running keys he’s logging into his alt rats to farm a mount. We are not the same
@@timbuck2406 lmao he has 1.6 million subs that would like to disagree with you.
@@timbuck2406 kinda sad comment
@@timbuck2406 so truuuuuueee, those key runs will give you memories forever. Meanwhile a mount is just so limited, boring and bland. Can’t believe someone would waste their time getting a mount when they could get gear that’ll be relevant for that one patch.
Many of the players who currently play WoW do not know or did not get to play the real Vanilla-TBC-WOTLK.
Where none of these systems existed.
You reached max level, went to dungeons with friends and raised your reputation level and collected gear at the same time.
The only thing that slowed down your progress was the reputation, which was often done while you were gearing up. And if raiding was your thing then Attunement was done on the road. You didn't have to do anything extra.
That left a lot of time on your hands to do everything else in the game. Or change characters. Or come back next patch.
It was a stage where the game respected your time as a player and where having fun was healthier for the mind as well.
In TBC if you stopped playing 3 months into the expansion and came back 5 months before WOTLK then your character was going to be able to do the same content because it didn't lose power.
With the current Seasons, if in S1 you can do +15 then by the time S3 comes out your character will probably barely be able to do +5.
That's not healthy for the game or the players.
As someone who has played WoW since Vanilla, and as someone who isn't particularly fond of the progression systems in Shadowlands, I really, really hope that the developers don't take the game back in a Vanilla-WotLK direction in terms of the content's difficulty and especially in dungeon/raid design. I quite enjoy M+ and Mythic raids, and the change of seasons (particularly the start of every new season) is usually when I enjoy the game the most. In TBC/WotLK I only had the raids to look forward to as the dungeons got stale pretty fast, and even the raids didn't feel as enjoyable as any raid they've made since Hellfire Citadel (except Tomb of Sargeras and Emerald Nightmare).
@@Scruffed
I know what you mean.
But there is something to keep in mind. Dungeons and raids, especially dungeons, were a good way to get materials for professions and also an alternative way for the casual player to get gear.
Maybe not as good as raid gear and not as fast/efficient to get, but it was an easy way and one knew that after X days or Badges one could buy a piece of gear.
I mean, even as an End Game player, you saw the dungeons as useful and the casual player was doing them with or without dailies to get Badges.
The moment Blizzard killed the professions and eliminated the badge system, the dungeons lost value.
What's the point of entering a dungeon if you don't get anything of value? Not even for the most casual player.
That was one of Blizzard's mistakes. One of the big ones.
This pushed them to design what we know as M+. A way to give value to the dungeons throughout the expansion.
The idea is not bad.
But it is a VERY DIFFERENT system to the Raids.
In one you can spam dungeons non-stop as long as you have time.
On the other you have the raids, sessions that .... would vary depending on the group, but anywhere between 2-8 hours.
Any M+ has an average duration of 25 minutes. You can do 3 per hour. And if you are lucky you can get 3 items per hour or more if someone trades you.
And the raid ? The average is 1.2 items per ID per week.
They are incompatible.
People are forced to do M+ just to progress faster in Raid.
I think that totally defeats the purpose of raiding.
I'm not saying to remove M+ or nerf them in any way.
But they should do SOMETHING, anything, to make raiding more attractive.
Just in case, mounts or cosmetics do not count as "something".
What the player wants is power. An advantage over others.
Tier can be an option. But we all know the low drop that Raids have in Shadowlands. We also can't forget the disaster that is personal loot and the restriction on trade because of Item Lvl makes this even slower.
Even if they add Group Loot, it doesn't change anything.
Great Vault is GATCHA by another name. People want something straightforward.
@@Shaurize Even though Group Loot is not technically Master Loot, you can bet that any guild that would choose to use Master Loot over Personal Loot is going to require everyone to have RCLootCouncil and to trade whatever item they get to whomever the Loot Council or raid leader deems fit, which to me seems like an undistinguishable outcome to what you'd get with Master Loot.
As someone who both raids and M+s for its own sake, I can't help but 100% disagree with the goal of making raiding more rewarding than M+. I'd wager that a bigger portion of the player base prefers M+ as content than raids, even when the raids are very well designed, and I think that's ok. I don't think M+ players should feel forced to raid to gain an advantage over other M+ers, and the amount of M+ you're expected to do as a Cutting Edge raider (which 95%+ of raiders aren't) is frankly pretty low and doing a +15 for a player who can clear all Mythic raid content should require very little effort, those who have lower aims in raiding could probably get away with doing no M+ at all or very, very little.
I do agree however that there should be some deterministic way (it could well be something like the Valor point system that existed in WotLK) to get particular dungeon items rather than having to farm the same dungeon many times.
@@Scruffed
Ah, but at no time did I say it must be better than M+.
They must be on equal terms.
The amount of items you can get in M+ is very different from Raids.
Also, the amount of people one must gather is higher as well. We are not talking about the difficulty of the content. We are talking about the difficulty of gathering people who know how to play and who can play in that schedule.
M+ has a lot more freedom in that sense.
Even if you can find 19 other people who know how to play and can play on the same schedule, you still face the barrier of low drop and trade restrictions.
By nature it is obvious that people are going to choose the path of least resistance.
That path is M+
What can be done ?
I think the solution is to add 2 things:
1) Badges of Justice
2) Extra chance of loot (like we had I think from MoP to BFA)
And Blizzard would have to balance them well.
In BFA I got tired of collecting ...... this currency that I don't remember the name, to buy armor. You could do it for less but it was random.
This can't be random, but it can't take 2 months to buy a single piece.
I think one week per off-part is fine. Pieces like chest-shoulders-pants-head should be 2 weeks.
If the weapon is 2H then 3 weeks. If it's 1h then a week and a half.
Trinkets could be 3 weeks just like the weapon, it can change the game in a very important way.
Equipping a character only with badges should take 12-15 weeks.
That can perfectly go down to 2 months if one is lucky with drops or trades.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me when the normal duration of a patch is 4-6 months.
And the extra chance should be 3 per week (only in raid).
These numbers can always be adjusted to the number of bosses per Raid or per patch duration.
Or by whatever is more reasonable.
I don't even play WoW but love hearing Asmon talk about it because he is so passionate about the game.
Same. Hearing him talk about it makes me wish I had been able to get into it in the golden years though 🥲
@@Jigglexphysics 2004-2009 were the golden years. and it was amazing to say the least
@@yzwme586 Man I still remember the original vanilla release 2004. When nobody knew anything and everything was new. What an adventure. That was so damn good.
@@garuda4361 it was indeed. The glory days brah. 🙌. I quit after WOTLK. Just wasn't the same. All about soulsborne games now
@@yzwme586 BrAh
It’s crazy that there are so many people who say that Asmon is a WoW/Blizzard hater when it couldn’t be further from the truth. He loves the game so much that he won’t settle for the crap they’ve done over the last few years. He always acknowledges and gives props when they make good decisions
I hope we get the same level of character customization across all races and not just evolker dragons. The last major update they did for character customization made me spend a few days going through all my alts changing the way they look.
This.
no you dont get lol)
Blizzard tuning their game based on the activities of the top 0.01% of their player base was a monumentally stupid decision. I think that's the biggest reason why they currently sit at less than 10% of their peak playerbase. They had 12 million people as devoted customers, but they spent all their time and resources on attempting to please/fight the 2000 people who wouldn't unsub even if you threatened their life.
The second dumbest decision was not deciding to change direction when that customer base started nosediving.
@@8bitchiptune420 nobody cares about that, it’s a minor thing amongst the many real problems the game has
@@UltimateGamerCC We are bothered by it because it is woke and it keeps ruining games , it starts with that and soon we are going to have KAPA PRIDE RAINBOW characters in a lot of games , no thank you . Having a gay character is different from having 2 million pronouns and other nonsensical crap like that .
@@saula8948 how is it ruining the game though lmao, i’m sorry a rainbow scares you so much. play the fucking game and stop crying about seeing a rainbow.
@@zayankhan3805 Somebody is triggered , you are clearly the people they pander , emotional and irrational , sorry your daddy left to buy some milk and now you turned up like a snowflake without a male role model .
@@saula8948 Did you delude yourself into thinking that the games fault is that dev team is woke? Have you missed the past 2 years of blizzards bullshit? Certainly not the woke people actions, certainly not their way of thinking on monetization.
Complain about real issues yourselves for once.
Pretty pathetic of blizzard to take away male and female from the character creator
Thing I like about Asmongold he reminds me of a nostalgic sentiment, a past era, or an early 2000’s friend.
@@shinski8114 Easy to do when you are rich af
@@dagrentheorcslayer implying he wasn't the same when he was on food stamps?
That's the point. It's a curated image.
Because he's stuck in the past?
One of the first things GW2 did with its mounts was add races, Blizz would be pretty stupid to not do the same. Most importantly about dragon riding is *it's fun.*
It is something you can do _for fun_ that doesn't have anything to do with power progression or some sort of objective gain. Even if dragon racing has rewards like dragon looks, transmog or even gold, the thrill is the main reward.
I've never gotten into the racing scene but I have seen it. That stuff is insane to watch too many skilled people lol.
I want to assume (as one logically would if this was any other dev) that if they were gonna add dragon riding they were already planning races obviously. But then again… it’s blizz…
they don't want players competing against each other
I think it'll be fun for most people for a few weeks but the replayability will be low on month #4 if they don't add some meta activity like racing
racing wouldnt work as well in WoW as it would in GW2, in GW2 every mount acts different. they got weight to them. in WoW every mounts is the same, 0 weight. and just your character running at faster speed with the animation of being on a animal.
Yeah as usual I'm cautious about a new expansion because of the issues with the last few. I'm not going to pre order this expansion like I usually have. I am excited for the talent trees, the dragon class, etc. But not enough to pay extra for some cosmetics.
They had a good system in Classic and TBC. Basically a pre-patch/attunement to a raid for a patch itself.
Naxx had a pre-event, AQ had a pre-event, Sunwell had the first patch zone as a pre-event. A great balance to unlocking gated content. Didnt feel gated, it felt like the story was unfolding. Isle of QD even progressed along with you.
Really made the story and world the main character.
If the attunements were account-wide, they would be perfect.
@@ChinnuWoW account-wide with the option to repeat them with twinks IF YOU WANT
me trying to figure out how u have the slider on the bottle
@@Bleg94 You can repeat them right now in retail if you want lol
@@ChinnuWoW obviously, I meant to use the attunement system but combine it with the possibility to skip on twinks, not forced skip but making a decision
cmon.. stop giving the tryhards so much attention, everything isnt about competing and perfomance. WoW should be for everyone, casual or not, torghaster og m+ player, raid or pvp, players doing 1 thing or players doing all the things. The SOUL of the game isnt in M+/Raiding/PvP.. its in enjoying logging on, doing whatever you want, having something you feel worthwhile doing. Because youre having FUN.
I really hope they don't nerf that 950% speed for Dragon riding, I've wanted to go fast like that forever and if they let us use it in the rest of the game I'll be exploring all the old world with it for fun.
Which they most likely will if they want to introduce Dragonriding to the rest of the world which isn't designed to be traveled upon with such speed. You would be on the other side of the map in no time. Especially if Blizzard does have plans for Classic zones like Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms in future expansions. I sincerely doubt they would re-design both continents for that instead.
To answer your 500 mount achieve question. I could be wrong, but when they put in the 350 and 400 mount achievements the exact same thing happened. The mounts were garbage, so they gave us the frost infernal and the green firehawk ground mount.
tbh i think that might actualy be just a placeholder. I mean, they have waaay more important things to worry about on an alpha release than a random achievement reward
@@PiratDunkelbart I think the really intense collectors are a relatively small number of the players. Probably the same amount as hardcore raiders. Most players I think are just sort of goofing around with RP, M+ and PvP as well as making alts.
@@joaoteixeira8349 you would completly right if blizzard was a small indie Company
When sc2 alpha came out they had sc1 units as placeholders. When aoe2 alpha came out the majority of assets were from aoe1, so no, This isn't a "indie company" thing but rather common industry practice. On the other hand (and maybe i shoul'd have posted it on my previous comment) it might be a reason of concern the fact they didn't aknowledge it (again, common industry practice and they've done it before) and instead came with some random excuse.
green firehawk is still a shit reward for 400 mounts, its not easy to achieve and we got a recolor of firelands' mount. i just hope they'll do more than a simple recolor for 500. or at least a somewhat original recolor that makes the mount look actually different
Dunno, i feel like people reaction to dragonflight is as if the husband after 20 yeras of abusive relationship wih his wife where outside being alcoholic, its emotionally absuve and he hits her, he stopped drinking and everyobdy was like "now this marriage gonna be good!" despite the fact that both hitting and emotional abuse is still there, and even if there won't be there is still no guarantee it will be a good marriage
Imma be honest, i just really, really dont care about dragon riding. We’ve been able to fly for some time now, all dragon riding looks like is just more restrictive flying. Id rather they spend their time making classes better, more interesting/fun, and developing well designed dgs and raids.
Agree, baffling to me people treat it as revolutionary.
@@Heywooo I want something to do besides raids and dungeons which I like but don't love. When I play ff14 I can spend hours in gold saucer activities or crafting or hunt trains or deep dungeons, etc. With wow it's pretty much just pet battles if I want a break from dungeons and dailies. I need more side content.
@@ensanesane that much I can 100% get behind and agree that it's even insanely overdue. Now we just need new unique flying models to boot. Just seeing how minimal of a gameplay change it is I get surprised seeing it mentioned as a glorious thing in comment sections. I think the failures of the art / lore team to deliver anything worthwhile for years has allowed for this to get blown up more then it should.
I totally agree that the lack of a big defining feature is a very good thing. I think they need to focus more on adding value and FUN that will outlast a single expansion. More minigames, a housing/Guildhall system, more shared spaces for certain types of players (crafters, pvpers, raiders), more interesting world content (death to boring wotld quests), etc.
I think they should take flying out and only use ground mounts. I can see have the dragon riding for mini games, but take out flying period to get people involved with the content more. For places that need flight to get to, put in flight paths.
Blizzard should consider letting players who already raided participate in more than one raid a week (but without loot rolls) but allow them to progress through the legendary quest lines after say 2 months of the current content. This would allow players to catch up through time gated quest lines and allow their friends to help them progress.
good idea, tho i would guss ppl
abuse the crap out of it, "WTB runs through raids" etc.
Treehouse talk without the treehouse
Anybody else here hasn’t played wow in 10 years nor do they have any interest in playing again, yet keep watching asmongold’s content for the entertainment value/rants?
@@JhelleMies legend has it you're still wiping in that raid in front of your class to this day 😁
Lol jk that's awesome that he did that
Or is a curious Ffxiv player who enjoys asmongold
i don't play wow but i like his variety content alot
I haven’t played since BFA. I don’t care too much about playing the game again but it’s not out of the question if the next expansion(s) turn out to be great. I catch his streams regardless of what he’s playing. Add McConnell and it’s a guaranteed great time. The transmog competition he did a few days ago was nothing short of entertaining.
I'm just here cuz I like cringing at stupid things Blizz makes nowdays.
3:18 right before you said it out loud, I was thinking exactly this
"We hear you guys!"
Every end game grinding system I can think of that they’ve put into the game is less fun than when it’s easy to level and gear alternative characters. That’s my preferred end game grind.
Also your point about them tuning around high end guild messing things up for the general population is something I’ve felt for a while.
I think end game grinding systems should only be rep farm, mounts, gold farm, arena rank etc. Paragon systems just suck the life force out of the game because you will always imagine the time required to play everytime you log in. Raids should be easy to get into and easy to clear first wing and the last boss really hard so that theres status in clearing the whole raid. These are just some quick opinions.
I think the bigger issue is that I don’t see other comments mention is that I simply don’t think blizzard deserves my money any more. They haven’t for a long time, and they sealed the deal even more with Diablo immortal. I’m never giving blizzard my money ever again and I don’t care what potentially good game I might miss out on.
I think it would be cool for Evoker to have 3 forms. Imagine if as Evoker instead of using a mount you turned into a big ass dragon to fly around as.. it would be like Druids flight form. Your Flying form would also change color depending on what color your scales are.
That would be cool as hell!!!!
It would defeat purpose of all the mounts you already collected
Kinda like the name of the expansion
We def already flew dragons
Now they reinvent the wheel
@@willyjf6193 you do know Druids can use regular mounts too right? It wouldn’t be their only mount option, again like Druids Flight form
too much work for blizz, they arent even doing the work to have armor show on the dragon form or having different class options on the race
@@matrixcom69 1.The dragon form does show armor. 2.we do not need another fking melee class
The funny thing is by them doing all the things they have done to "artificially extend game time" made people play less. They made you need to do 100 different things that take a while to be viable. For the majority of players when they switched to play an alt like they normally do in every expansion had to go through that again and said screw it and left, otherwise alot would still being playing alts to this day.
I also hope that if dragonriding ends up being good they bring it into future expansions. I've watched some streams and it seems like a pretty cool feature so far of getting around the map before flying is actually released. Could be a cool beginning of the expansion "feature" where dragonriding helps you get around faster.
I actually really loved the class hall. What would be nice is if class hall wasn't mandatory for the story but a cool side quest area for xmogs and mounts for your class. And I mean like super unique xmogs and mounts, not just a recoloring of what we've already seen.
i agree with asmon, i hope they add something like a competition with a reward being a title mount or anything to make dragonriding more relevant. tbh its just flying but much faster and on new looking models
I want a luck stat. Increase it by achievement points, doing farms, overall time played etc. This gives a new, indefinite horizontal enjoyment to the game that makes veteran players feel good about their "failed" ICC runs etc etc because next week they'll have a .001% better chance at it
Wtf
No way. They have an RNG fail safe for raid drops.. but things for collectors like invincible and other such mounts.. nope. Leave that the way it is.
I don't think it's unreasonable to say "hey, you've put thousands of hours into this account and you've engaged with nearly every piece of content in myriad ways, you deserve a teeny little bit of extra drop chance while you're out there collecting"
I wonder how many players like me there are. I literally only play for the leveling experience, getting cool mog from old raids, and getting all the allied races.
I really wish we would go back to eastern kingdoms and kalimdor and have more main quest on those sides. Having world quest on those continents would be great and would be great to see everyone going back to the original roots. Just my opinion
I wish we could go back to the good old days when we were just normal adventurers, fighting gnolls, big trolls and old gods…
That's what alts are for
@@markmclaughlin7706 not the same thing, sure with alts it’s cool, but going back to the old worlds with a lot of people running around instead of going back to old lands and it’s dead.
Your right and agree they need to update the old part been to long but they just want to keep releasing new continents cuz it's easier to just make a new system
@@markmclaughlin7706 unfortunately they’ll keep doing that. With all that money you would think revamping eastern kingdoms and kalimdor would be something to do, adding world quest to the old lands or something. Hopefully they can start to revamp and revive soon
in terms of immersion, dragonriding beats no clip flying in every sense of the way. this just means future expansion territories will have to be designed with dragonriding in mind, unless they decide dragonriding is a single expansion thing.
@@Blubbii88 the whole point is that they're changing direction and moving away from one-offs. hence the newtalent change, as a start into a new era without borrowed power.
Every time I have considered coming back, I looked at my spec and the glaring issues it had never truly were resolved. Seeing the spec I loved most be treated with such dismissive abandon was very discouraging
As a prot warrior die hard wanting to play RBG only to be kicked because I'm not a guardian druid. I totally agree with you that it's an issue.
@@AzSehn all I ever played was feral. It never, ever feel like anything else but a discount rogue.
The dragonflight talent trees are so bad it’s unbelievable that whoever got paid to design them still works at the company, they put baseline abilities like interrupts and baseline passives for almost every class into the talent tree, so you waste valuable points. It’s like they put barely any effort into designing them. If you were thinking of coming back, that things have changed, they haven’t. Don’t come back
You can be a « meme » spec and top the meters
@@HermitOser yeah, but some people only connect with one or two playstyles or themes. going with the flow and playing something you don't enjoy just so you can play at all, that isn't fun. class and spec balancing needs to be fair and even across the board. meter topping should be a combination of skill and gear, not improper tuning
I think they should add more content to the class order halls as an element of the game. Some nice optional quarts to tap into the phantasy of your class with some style reward (transmog, tints, glyphs,...).
Quests could explore additional lore content.
Been playing since vanilla and I think order halls only being used in a single expac is a big mistake. They were and still are really cool, and could have continued to be a hub of some sorts with a simple hearth to get there.
I'm in a spot where I want to play the game with friends but I don't want to play SL, but im also not pre-ordering because there is 0 reason to do so.
Currently i'm liking the looks of what they have shown, as a semi-casual crafter I like the lack of borrowed power and dragonriding seems good so far.
I imagine that dragonriding should help with not just game immersion but also should help fight bots in a way. Botters will have to either learn how to program dragonriding into their movement or be forced to be ground only when mat farming.
As the saying goes I am Cautiously Optimistic, but I like what I see so far. If the alpha and betas keep going like this it may be time for me to get back in to playing but only time (or seemingly doomers) can tell.
I hadn’t thought about dragonriding stopping bots, that’s a great point.
speaking like someone who know absolutely nothing about making bots. It will take less than a day to make a bot capable of dragon riding.
I feel that. I wish they truly allowed us to choice where we wanted to level after we've cleaned the newer content once. I get the story team wants to give us a story so it, by its nature, has to be linear but I don't want to run it again and again, but I also grow tired of zones and the same world quest over and over. So I hope there is a overall to late-game questing etc. We'll see.
@@donimmortal7692 You are right I know absolutely nothing about making bots
just hearing your voice in this video, it sounds like you have less weight on your shoulders, and it makes me happy just to hear a little change in tone. the hope for a better future, I want to get back into WoW because of you. you went through some real rough shit, but you are such a strong guy. Thanks for standing strong all these years, man.
It helps us little guys out as well. Thanks, dude!
So you are going back because of new flying animations "Dragon Riding" and new talent trees? Thats it?
@@historiespiston9736 No, of course not! I'm thinking of coming back to see how the game has changed over time, and to see how it will continue to change. Because if they can implement flying like this, imagine what more they can add. It doesn't have to be some 'heart of azeroth' whole shtick mechanic, what matters is the game being made fun again, and from what I've seen, it's a small step in the right direction. I haven't gotten back into it yet, but I am hopeful!
On the subject of reskin mounts, maybe they can copy FF and reward a super unique mount if you get all the reskins like with extremes. I believe they did this with the emerald drake achievement. I would feel a lot better collecting recolors if I got something out of it.
FF has many many Mounts they are reskins, the Extreme birds, the DRK Mount is a reskin from the normal creoul, the Ex Horses etc.
@@dyraniemiuw6155 compared to wow is nothing. Most of the reeskin mounts are from the extremes, the raids mounts are unique, the beast tribes too, and you don't have to do it 100 times to have a chance to get.
This is a thing in each expansion. Trials drop recolored mounts, with each color relating to the fight it drops in. Then a cutscene quest to get the final mount, which is a greater version of the others. Kirin, Firebird, etc.... It's driving gameplay for many people, they play to get the expansion's Super Final Mount.
the key to adding an expansion defining feature, is to design it with the future in mind. Example, the garrisons, they fucked up by making it only useful to warlords of draenor. Doing something like Garrisons right, they'd need to make its usefulness more "general". Bonuses that help you everywhere in the world. Allow you to choose the location of your garrison, not just within WoD zones, but in other expansion zones, or old world as well. Basically, treat it like housing. Future expansions, add additions to the garrisons, and new locations to move your garrison to. Locations to move to, that requires no explaining, but like, lets say garrisons got additions in legion. Maybe they add new buildings with new uses, like a warlock circle, that lets you visit the circle to have warlocks summon a demon you can fight for unique rewards, New customization features for them, themed around new legion aesthetics, like nightborne structures and banners and stuff, or even as simple as just making the profession buildings able to train and assist with the current level of profs
This isn't a wishlist or something, just the kind of thinking they'd need to adopt to stop wasting all this effort on features that get thrown out the very next expansion. Dragonriding seems to be a good example. It's something that can VERY easily be adapted into a broader system and carried over into future expansions. They could let us use the new flight mechanics on regular mounts (imagine doing the swoops and dives and shit in a flying machine), and it's VERY easy to just...let us continue using the feature in future expansions. It's not something that's chained to the dragon isles.
The biggest tragedy of blizzard's old thinking is torghast. A system with a lot of potential, and showed how much potential it DID have with the updates it received, despite never reaching it. But now it never will, because they made the mistake of basing the entire damn thing around the shadowlands. There's no torghast tower in the dragon isles, and there won't be a torghast tower in the next expansion's new continent. Even for those who WANT torghast to be iterated on and carried over to future expansions, it very simply can not. Maybe they can create a new place to base a SIMILAR system within (located in azeroth so you don't have the same problem as something based in outland or shadowlands), and I think they should, but the likelihood that they will is low. They see torghast as a failure.
Blizz could carry the Mage Tower/Torghast type thing forward by just saying something like "(insert faction/group/etc here) is trying to find new ways to defeat our foes! they have set up a training simulation in order for the forces of the Horde and Alliance to develop their battle tactics" or some shit. Voila, now you can keep it fresh for every expansion!
"Week 2 : Wasps Still Plotting My Demise"
I love that all these streamers are under fire from wasps
Dragonriding has got to be the most overhyped feature ever. Triple A gaming bois.
While i do think its overkill that every WoW youtube channel has made a video dedicated to gushing about it, If its anything even close to the gryphons from guild wars 2 then it genuinely is something thats fun and will make traversing the world way more interesting.
@@arolux9770 Not played Guild wars 2, Is it good enough to keep people subbed for 2 years?
@@coderpup4639 not the feature itself but I think it's one if those quality of life things that will just increase the enjoyment of everything else you do in the game especially if they open it up the the rest of the world too.
It's like if you've ever played the ps4/5 spiderman... there is fast travel in the game but the traversal is so fun in it's own right that you never use it because just moving from point A to B becomes part of the fun itself.
@@arolux9770 its a useless feature that will be tossed into the bin like all the other ideas.. why even make this new way of flying if its only going to last 1 expassion.. until i see it staying i nthe game and improving on it over the next two expaions then its jsut waste of money and time
@@filerwill I can almost guarantee this wont be a 1 expansion feature. All of the gladiator rewards and likely m+ and raiding rewards will be dragon cosmetics which people will want to bring forward. It will be expanded to the rest of the world in the first patch if they dont change their mind for launch.
Another benefit to the system is that they can make more interesting and bigger zones now without needing to consider how annoying it will be to get around with ground mounts.
I don't think dragon riding is just for casuals, its a system you interact with in a core way everyday, high end competitive activities link back to it with rewards. It changes a fundamental part of the game which is moving within the world. I don't think its that "impressive of box feature" but I do think it will elevate the entire core game. Like you've generally said many times, forget adding shiny new things and just make the base game better/ steal things from other games and tweak them for WoW. This is a perfect example of taking a core part of the game that's been left untouched for over a decade and elevating it. It's true that I'm not leading the conversation with retired friends that it coming in Dragonflight but I believe at this point that it will make the foundation of the game better.
I think they should release a race editor. Raid/party leaders could setup powerups and rings to design a course that only the raid/party members can see/use. Then they could set it up where the whole party is leashed at the starting point until the counter goes off. They could use a version of the raid marker system and maybe have an interface where predesigned races could be selected for everyone to run at once and maybe shard it off if it causes problems with video lag.
I had something really different in mind when you said „race editor“
In regards to earlier expansions like TBC and WotLK not having big new flagship features like Garrisons or Artifacts... I mean, they really didn't need to. The game was at its absolute peak back then, there was no reason to re-invent the wheel. Just keep pumping out more of the same and people will be happy. And for about ten years they were.
I'm not sure that this approach holds up these days. I don't know if the base game of WoW is gripping enough without something like Artifacts, or even something like m+ completely shaking everything up. I'm curious af to see if a new raid and a couple new dungeons are enough to keep people hooked for 6 months. And if after that... another raid and another couple new dungeons will do the trick then too. I'm slightly afraid that after close to 20 years, the base game of WoW that hasn't really been iterated on for the last... well, 20 years, might not be good enough to holf people's attention for 6 months.
I would love more stuff like islands, Torghast, Warfronts or Mage Tower... but most of those systems were jut shit... and never really made good... and then tossed away. I could totally see these being permanent additions to the game... but for some reason they just aren't. And now we're going into a new expansion and the only new thing is... my mounts flying differently. I'm worried.
It also used to have a good story. If they take some of that flagiship feature budget and actually re-invest it into better writers then it might be able to hold people's attention span. Being big and flashy doesn't always have to be from a gameplay perspective. Imagine if they didn't bother with new zones for an expansion and isntead did a 200 year timeskip and added content and lore to existing zones. People would love that.
What works pretty well in lotro is personal loot that is tradable within the raid group for an hour. its is basically like masterloot for an organized group and its at least never awful for pugs. what they could do is have an option for individual players to pick personal or group loot, such that the pot is the same anyway, but if you set it to personal you get it in your bag for yourself and can then choose to trade it away if you trust people, best of both worlds I guess
We don't want systems in the game that revolve around talents and abilities, just put that stuff in a talent tree. We want FUN systems that are replayable for cosmetics. Something like the Mage tower, Brawloers Guild or Palace of the Dead (FF14). We do Dungeons and Raids for power, just add systems for fun on the side not tied to power.
The simple fact that you start with flying will automatically make the expansion better then the past 2 expansions.
This ^^^
Just don't punish players for not playing your game and don't do alot of dailys. I don't want make a Torgaths runs for some currency, what if u just add some mounts drop or uniq transmog? If i don't like it i don't do it. Just don't FORCE ur players to playing game, make game fun and players will be happy
@@kegami7997 Exactly!
@@kegami7997 Torgast would have been good if it was a real roguelike game with crazy powers and fast paced gameplay. Rewarding only mounts, pets, tmog, etc. No power should have been involved. They could have also had a wing for leveling character from 1-60. Basically just copy palace of the dead from FF14
Vanilla was the core, tbc, wrath, cata are the 3 expansions of the old talents and building on what we have.
Mop / wod were trying new things, changing the ideas of what we know and doing things that added spice. (Overhauling)
Legion were the 3 system tries, lore and cinematic building. Dragonflight is a new era and a new time for wow
I disagree, I think dragonriding might help with zone immersion, more enjoyable farming and just spending time in the world.
I am just speculating but the comodity of movement like that in a vast open zone is so refreshing after so many grounded/claustrophobic zones/expansions.
It is how you view/perceive the new zones, it is leaps and bounds more important than pet battles.
I used to mythic raid and no life the game but honestly at this point, I couldnt care less about bis gear, fastest lvling, pvp gear, IL...
I want to see good/fun zones, quests, reps, profs and try new talents :)
I want the same stuff as you and the fact that Dragonriding requires you to actually play when flying, instead of hitting autorun and tabbing back to UA-cam, is great
Fully agree here. Dragonriding looks like it will break up the monotone „run from hub A to hub B“ immensely. You‘ll enjoy riding around farming stuff. You can do races and challenges with friends or you can go and try to farm yourself the sickest dragon on the server.
The largest question is will we lose it at the end of the Dragonflight. I was so disappointed by the decision of not expanding upon the class order halls system too include all levels was massive opportunity missed.
Yeah after seeing what basic dragonriding is like im actually excited to see what a maxed riding tree looks like in action and how that equates to travel times
Legendaries need to go back to being actually legendary where only 3-5 people have one on each server. Even with rep reward and quest line legendaries, they’re essentially still just epics.
Pet battles are the best! Also having faster mobility during questing with out having to unlock pathfinder1 and 2 is gonna help casual players a lot.
I am a casual player.
I also look forward to the new books and lore.
Pet battles are a lot of fun.
Im wondering if the Daily Active User mentality will be gone, since with Legion you had legendary weapons, BFA had Azerite and Shadowlands had Covenants which tied Daily activity with power progression.
Daily active user were the metric Activision Blizzard uses for investor earning calls.
Anyone else freaked out that this vod is mirrored?
Asmongold talking about if blizzard spend half there time on ever green content vs raids, m+ & pvp the game would be much better off. But this expansion only has raids, pvp & m+. No ever green content.
My man didnt skip a beat. 17 minutes of clear and distinct conversation about a game we all love and hope doesn't make us sad anymore. GG
when he said that this isnt the expansion to bring the WoW fan base back he is RIGHT ON! it needs to be the one after. With what has gone on within that scumpany over these few years internally definitely messed with their quality FOR SURE! It will be a MEH expansion, Flying Fast IS THE HYPE thing and its pathetic. GW2 just does it better.
he's good at what he does!
@@miqotesoulia8620 I mean GW2 should do the only thing it has over wow better, would be embarrassing otherwise
@@CrypticElements haha I dont even play GW2 and I know its dyeing for gear system is way better. thats +2
@@miqotesoulia8620 cant be better if wow doesnt have it kekw
I totally agree with the endgame progression and systems comment. As a more casual player, it just felt bad in shadowlands to reach max level and then have SO much that I still had to do. I felt like it left no time for fun stuff like mount farming or running old content. Just felt like if I didnt keep up with it, Id fall so far behind I might as well just stop playing
The only things that will save WoW at this point are:
1. Literally _everything_ being fully account-wide without restriction.
2. Never, _ever_ , have any form of temporary or borrowed power ever again for any reason.
3. All player power, in every form, is completely not time-gated. If someone wants to grind something out, let them. It doesn't affect anyone negatively. Also, side note, completely remove any additional gear RNG other than drop rate - no titanforging, no rolling for slots or extra stats, etc.
4. All "side" content, like future Torghasts or Mage Towers or reputations, are all 100% _only_ cosmetics and have literally no player power in them at all.
5. No more in-game store shit and no more 6 month sub shit. Put _everything_ cosmetic in it into the game proper as rewards for difficult solo or group content. Also, greatly reduce the prices for most other services - all they're doing is changing some code, there's literally no cost other than a few minutes of labor to them, so there's no reason for those services to cost more than a few bucks.
6. As Asmon says, _stop solely designing around the top and bottom 5% groups_ . Literally nobody cares if world first raiders or MDI players no-life the game, everyone cares when you artificially overly limit everything and design the entire game around them. Designing the game around only the top or bottom 5% _will lose the other 90% of players_
Other expacs were received really well without a big expac feature, not to mention classic as well, removing them and going back to basics is I agree the exact right move.
crafting looks great but I feel they missed a trick, LW, BS, tailoring could have been all about transmog, making recolours of legacy sets, first having to get the recipes from the relevant content, mixing in mats from legacy content and mats from the new content(this includes dungeon, raiding and levelling sets).
Engineering could have been all about utility items for other classes, along with all the new features added to crafting that would be interesting.
Personally I don't give any weight to any of the first impressions with the expansion because they are all based on basically just one feature, and that feature is not going to be really relevant in any of the endgame content. Once the novelty wears off and people finish the open world content is when expansions are actually tested and at this point nobody knows anything.
Which is why they're called first impressions and not reviews.
"I think we should do what we did last year. If the game isn't fun stop playing the game." - 2 hours in to Shadowlands expansion I could tell it was a fat dud. Subscription has been cancelled since, and I'll wait at least 1 month in to Dragonflight before I consider purchasing it. Blizzard has a LOT of making up to do.
1:02 I disagree. I think people might say they don't care, but maybe it'll enhance the open world experience so grinding stuff will be more engaging and not as monotonous.
Same. With time comes experience, and if they experience it, they might like it or not, but the most important thing should be not to bash it to ruin it for others.
he didnt say no one will enjoy it. he basically said what you just said. -.-
Don’t worry guys, it’ll be better this time, Bobby promises. Despite there being literally nothing announced for endgame, the most generic item sets and zones you could ask for to the point it looks like you’re playing a mobile game from Disney, and large swathes of the one zone they’re willing to show off being nearly devoid of any content… it’sh totally readysh guysh! Now where’s those preorders?
Last few expansions all where with time gating elements. And you are right that started with the garisons.
Its the most horrible way to keep people loging in on a weekly basis to "progress". From a business plan point of few i can understand it looks good. But infact it has the opposit effect.
People dont like the be stringt along. At some point they get bored and lose interrest. Time gating content seems logical you offer less for more, but you eventualy drive away people that are not going to wait!
Now apperantly if i hear this correct they finaly learned their lesson. A little to late though if you ask me. Also by now they demolished their traditional way of progression through tier sets. They ruind the way of consuming content. And they lost their way a long time ago. What will return for that? A fancy new trick like dragon riding adds nothing!!
I think Blizzard should be learning from Classic/TBC right now and bring it back to more nostalgic feel. Level
10 you get a mount? Yeah that’s a no for me, LFG system kills it for me.
@@kye4216 don’t take hours, once you get a group people don’t leave so fast. Yeah I play classic and TBC because there is a social aspect to a “MMO” instead of a massive single player game. Actual time invested to feel achievement, that’s something new generation don’t understand. Fly attention span but hey whatever floats the boat for ya. Fly attention spans and everyone’s the same. No diversity showing accomplishment
I think this Expansion is like how when first came out: No big event…until later into the game.
Thank goodness, placeholder Yeti lol I remember that. With Grumpus Yeti and Islands Yeti, last thing I want in my collection would be yet another yeti I use once a year for the holidays.
I'm glad dragonflying is cool but I think it's being hyped as an expansion feature a little too much, how many hours do we think the average, casual player will spend on it on month #4, maybe an hour or two at most? Without head to head racing I think the feature doesn't have a lot of replayability and if you're not playing Evoker class, what else is DF offering except the usual 8 dungeons and raid?
because there is no Story, or main Villain ...nothing. So only selling point of the game is Dragonflying WTF?
You are correct , it will make people play maybe one month , because of lvl and then first Dragon and then what? its get boring.
I like the idea of Dragon racing as an annual event. If they were able to somehow keep adding the mechanic to other dragon-like flying mounts, it would be nice and eventually, maybe you could use any flying mount with the dragon flying mechanic. It gives the flying mechanic a lot more control and ability to cover more ground, so players might fly everywhere, instead of taking portals and taxis. Could also change race location every year to bring people to existing zones that have been unused for a long time. I wish they'd do more like that, really. They should open a fairground in Azshara or something. They just need to age the existing zones over time and make them relevant.
I've just started playing WoW as a new player. Finally made level 20. I'm really enjoying the quests and can't wait to play through shadowlands and dragonflight
I wish they would bring back something like MoP Challenge mode dungeons where I can get a nice/decent looking transmog for all my characters again
I'm with Mcconnell in that i'm worried that I'm not seeing more "core content" than what we have at this point. 5 Months out and all we've seen is dragon riding and half the talent trees.
@Rose and Lavender this is how out of touch you are with the game, 2 weeks to max level?? How could you know how the state of the game? I know two things for sure you don't work there and you didn't get alpha so how could you know its unfinished?? I wish I could be this delusional ♡♡
@@teawithtoxi6310 if it were finished it would be released. 😂
There is no core content.. just new zones and a boring story
@Rose and Lavender I also know this is a shocker but just cause you have kids doesn't make you the majority here?? What are you even saying? Of course people have lives but 2 weeks is not even remotely close
@@timconway2810 this is the typical wow player. Delusional
Maybe unpopular but I liked garrisons and class halls. I like having my own space to build on and do things.
Man it’s so nice to see a non personified Asmon sometimes! So articulate! ❤️
I still play and have since cata but man has this game gotten complicated. I took a break from the final patch in BFA and came back 2 months ago. I have no clue how to get legendaries, I don't know why i should do torghast, covenant abilities are overly complex with the tables you go to, to assign them and upgrade them. I feel like with every patch, I need to spend more and more time just to know how to play a game I've been playing for over decade. I would greatly appreciate blizz getting back to more simplistic game decisions instead of making everything take more and more time and energy to do.
i mean i still think its too early to say that dragonflight is gonna be good and everytime i saw asmon commenting on a new wow expansion its always i hope its gonna be good i just think that asmon may have a huge copium addiction
It’s his job, he has to keep hope alive for the simps
I Stopped playing wow after MOP because it was to much weekly grind to stay relevant for raids. I miss the days of lvl up. do dungeons. do normal raids. then do heroic raids. Simple but perfect
Sorry but Legion class hall and artifact spells were actually great compared to everything else. They were MEANT for the class unlike covenant trash abilities.
Also, legendaries in legionnwere FUN and you could get them every single way possible.
I loved the legion artifact system and class halls
@@berkenuyan4073 i didnt like the grinding part for artifact power but the rest was almost all GREAT, theres not much i didnt likr, maybe the outdoor zones were bad but its a matter of tastr
Legion was so not bad compared to bfa and shadowlands made me love the game again and playing alts every class felt OP in a fun way
The big problem with Dragonflight is that yeah sure there's no obvious annoying power system(Covenants/Artifacts), or hoops you have to jump through to play the game(Visions/Islands/Torghast), but other than professions which we still need to see a lot from, they aren't making enough core improvements or changes to the game to warrant Dragonriding being the only feature in this expansion. Gear is boring, Mythic Plus is insanely toxic and not a fun idea of difficult small group content, and PVP has remained the same for a million years. The class gameplay is incredibly boring compared to some other MMOs and the talent trees have been very hit or miss in terms of interesting choices or changing up how the classes feel. The Devastation Evoker is insanely boring. Compare it to FF14's latest dps class in Reaper and you would think the Evoker came out 10 years ago, hell compare it to the Death Knight on release and it's not even close as interesting.
But I also understand Asmongold's bar for Dragonflight is a lot lower than mine. As long as the game isn't insanely annoying to play, he's going to be excited. Since he doesn't really engage with the core pillars of content, just adding new zones, levels, different looking gear is all he needs.
Biggest true ever, well put.
i dont think masterloot should be brought back into the game, except for guilds. i dont miss the old days when groups reserved whatever they want for them self. ofc you could just join another grupps, but i think in general this is a bad thing.
Can’t wait to name my dragon toothless like everyone in world of Warcraft will have with their dragons too :)
How original..
The 14 year olds will show themselves
can't wait to see every zoomer call their dragon "fortnite"
I hope legendaries go back to being actual legendaries. Remember when you saw someone with Shadowmourne and it was like seeing a local legend. Miss that
I hope they're not crafted anymore. It was a bad feeling when you could math out how much money you could have spent on the crafted mats instead of grinding for hours on end.
Totally agree on the "new coat of paint." They haven't made fighting enemies more difficult in the world. They don't force you to sue your toolkit to survive. I don't really care what it looks like. Make me care about my mana bar again.
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I miss the methodical style of going through old school heroics with cc
Too hard can feel like a waste of time too and being ultra strong to farm feels good.. I 100% agree with heroics though. It's not even hard. Mythic+ is pretty good though for difficulty.
this video is good, but he doesnt talk about his thoughts on dragonflight at all. just talks about what is wrong with the game
Wow needs to re-establish what the “base game” actually is, they reinvented the wheel so much that there’s barely a game left if you removed everything that was added in an expansion.
I think blizz understands this.
Just hoping for a new 10-60 levelling experience.
Wa-wa-wa-wrong.
No, but kidding aside. WoW needs to steal cool ideas and reinnervate rather then making a Classic, Vanilla 3.0.
Wow is dead and has been for a long time, its time to move on
@@DanielAnderssson it’s literally not though? Even with the past two shitty expansions and sexual harassment scandals it’s STILL the mmo with the biggest player base.
@@datlobstaguygenius1792 ye right show me the numbers ;)
Glad he touched on the whole trade limit thing. Doing mythics and a healing or tanking ring or cape dropping and a hunter getting it but not being able to trade it cuz its an item level upgrade is wild. Also on the master loot topic he missed one. Guilds or groups just master looting items to their pals and not fairly or as loot council shows it should.
I think it’s obvious to everyone that ducks are the best part of this expansion
Yess! Group loot and master loot! I never really liked personal loot.... i hope this will be a change.
I wish they would focus more on making dungeons and having multiple raids like we used to. It sucks that we are only getting 4 new dungeons for m+ and 1, 8 boss raid… why don’t we have stuff like wintergrasp or tolbarad anymore that unlocks side raids it was so cool doing those
I think it would be a cool minigame if there was a server leaderboard for dragonflight times, and maybe some titles that you unlock after doing a run under a certain amount of time. That along with races having rewards maybe could make the feature have longevity.
not sure if WoW has something similar but during my time with ragnarok online once upon a time there used to be an event called emperium war were guilds/clans would raid other rivals strongholds. if it were to be implemented on a monthly basis where your groups coffers could be looted, it would be pretty interesting. thoughts?
Raganarok online was the shit back then
No such thing as guild houses or anything to work with
I'm pretty sure Morgan said they plan on adding a Mage Tower like feature in a future patch which sounds amazing that they're planning on adding solo content purely for cosmetic rewards.
He is hyping DF so hard that it's suspicious, cmon dude, we have just seen some mediocre 900% speed flying simulator, new zones and new gnoll models. Also who cares about some 500 mounts achievement reward?? It's only for like 0,1% of players at best, they should start catering to the majority of playerbase.
Well put, excellent video I agree about the formula Blizzard has used in past expansions that kind of made me stop playing WoW after an expansion launch after reaching max cap.
Here are the 5 things I want from World of Warcraft:
1. Good dungeons
2. Good raids
3. Good class balance
4. Account wide progression (I'm happy to experience the story and increase my standing with a covenant once, but I'd rather quit than do it twice)
5. No daily or weekly chores (If I miss out by not forcing myself through Boreghast or trivial world quests, I won't log in at all anymore)
I don't give a damn about anything else. Do I think that Blizzard will get these things right with Dragonflight? Hell no. This company is in the garbage right now. Zero trust. I'd be very surprised if Dragonflight turns out to be decent. If by some miracle it turns out to be good, I might play it. If it turns out to be garbage, I will enjoy watching Asmongold and Bellular trash the game. Either way I'm fine.
I would argue that wrath is where these features began. It all started with the glyph system.
I’m embarrassed to admit this but hey, it’s the internet. I started watching your channel during the Depp trial and I genuinely miss you Asmon . I’m totally not into video games but I tune in now and then just to get my Hit. You really are a special energy 😘
I’m the same. I found him thanks to Depp. Now I’m hooked on his life drama, I’m only watching this one to think “wow I want to clean that room” 😅 he reminds me of my brother. Lol who when I brought up who I was watching during the trial said “oh yeah Asmon he’s pretty big for gamers”
The crucible was great except it didn't begin from the second week. Week 2 we should have been able to make 1 tier piece.