.. problem is your ignorance means you can't tell the difference between truth and fiction. The dude is not a scholar - just glib talk that fools the uneducated who can't research for themselves.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing
Couldn't agree more. And he can talk about so many different topics. Other historians whose lectures I've really enjoyed include Kenneth Harl, Bart Ehrman, Jennifer Paxton, Garrett Fagan, Philip Daileader and Andrew Fix. There are lots of others who can match them in knowledge but unfortunately don't have the charisma. If anyone can recommend other history lectures please do, it's hard to find.
God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.
@@justmoritzGod, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.
God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.
Wonderful lecture on the Gospel of Thomas. The one thing I couldn't help but notice which I think was lost on the presenter was the idea of Thomas as a Twin. It's was not meant to be literal. It implies that Thomas has understood the teachings and transcended, and thus has become like Jesus.
It was meant to be literal. There is another book (Acts of Thomas) that spells out clearly the views of the now-extinct Syro-Persian Thomasine branch of the Church on this relationship. In it there is no question that Dydimus Judas Thomas was an identical twin brother of Jesus who physically looked exactly like Jesus himself. The resurrected Jesus had to cajole and trick him in various ways (including literally framing him for a crime by impersonation) to get him to spread the message to India.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
@@rms_6401So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
Thomas 114 gives full equality to women, if they want it. It's the first document ever written by a human that does that. It was easily the most shocking thing to the ears of first century listeners. That alone makes it the most amazing document in the history of human religion. The historical Jesus, in Thomas, was dead right about absolutely everything.
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
Galatians 3:26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. This scripture comes to mind. Perhaps the hearers were like the Galatians who needed reminding.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
John and Thomas disagreed; but they were clearly members of the same club. I notice how the prologue to the gospel of John (John 1:1-5) can be all but seamlessly interwoven with Thomas' saying #77. It makes for a pretty smooth read. When I read this interwoven version, I can't fail to recognize a kindred spirit animating both authors. John begins: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Jesus in Thomas #77 responds: I am the light that is over all things. I am all. John continues: Through him all things were made and without him was not anything made that was made. Jesus in Thomas #77 responds: From me, all has come forth, and to me all has reached. John continues: In him was life; and the life was the light of men. His light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. Jesus in Thomas #77 brings closure: Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there. This makes it appear that the two were once very close, and I imagine a very bitter split happening at some point. They just could never come to agree regarding which was more important - history or the present moment. Hmmmmm..... Neil Hundtoft
It seems to me that the writer of Thomas had access to the Gospel of John and wrote the gospel of Thomas from the access to John. Very little to learn from the gospel of Thomas unless you want to confirm a gnostic point of view!
@@dapaulson1 But the author of John was the one who came up with "Doubting Thomas" (John 20:24-29), so if we consider these characters as representative of subsects in Christianity, it seems that the Johannine Community had some sort of beef with a Thomasine Community and vice versa, and the latter hit back at the Johannines in their own gospel. It's really funny that we have this fight preserved thousands of years later in both texts.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
Odd many pretend to guess they listen then decide if liked or make up a test then play decided if passed test . What straight out educated guessers deceiving self pretending to understand guess know unknown exactly void in know fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand self proclaimed people proclaimed proves only unknown unproclaimed ego arrogant false prophets if anything all could proclaim and are false prophets if keep running mouth
you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing
Me too. It has been a refreshing indepth inspiration for spiritual upliftment. Love 💘 that strength of faith is not shaken by historical documents but focused on creating true harmony in openness to freely discuss faith 💕 I'm uplifted even being in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing
I need to point out, I think the world of John and have learned a lot from his wonderful lectures, and am grateful for his wisdom and humanity. I just feel strongly about the Gospel of Thomas. Don't mean to be caustic, just kinda' turns out that way.
This is wild. Learning about Thomas 77 it reminded me of this: "I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look-wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build, I'll be there, too." ~ Tom Joad, Grapes of Wrath.
Neil Hundtoft, greetings, I have taken I guess a different approach then you have, with my 15 years of study. in no way do I seek to offend or to upset, I am simply sharing a different approach. I have studied the holy Bible the 1611 version, and the first translation of the King James version of the Bible. one of the many things that I have done differently from others, is it I did not start in the Old Testament I started in a New Testament. For some reason I was drawn to it, I believe it was the knowledge of knowing that this is what was given to those under the new covenant. there were certain things that caught my attention that I could not ignore. In Matthew 13, Jesus gives a parable of the sower, and he said something that is frightening, for some readers, look at what he said. (Matthew 13:10 And the DISCIPLES came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto THEM, Because it is given unto YOU to Know the Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.) Do you see the separation? Jesus tells his disciples, that the information is given to them but not to others, not to the multitude. Reading that made me certain of one thing, I had to become a disciple of Jesus Christ if I was going to learn about the parables. That is what the separation is, Those that follow Jesus and those that follow others. I would stop listening to the teachings of earthly men around that time, Because for me, Jesus could not say it any clearer than he just had. That fear stayed with me for a while, until I came upon this next verse that caught my attention. (Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been KEPT SECRET from the foundation of the world.) It would be some five books later that I would read this in 1 Corinthians 2. (1 Corinthians 2:14 But the NATURAL MAN receiveth not THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can HE KNOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.) Do you see the separation, it's right there it can be no clearer than that. what that verse is saying is, that there is a surface reading of the Bible and there is a SPIRITUAL READING OF THE BIBLE. I do not know you, and I can't be sure that we have ever met. I can honestly say that I do not think we have, Neil, man is at the bottom of the spiritual food chain, as Jesus stated if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch. I cannot express to you in a way that you can comprehend, how void that hour and 30 minutes was that I spent, listening to this gentleman speak, he edified nothing, there was nothing gained nothing taught of any use, in understanding the word of God. Neil, if you ask me, I will give you 4 hours of study and you will call the gentleman that you spent, an hour and 30 minutes listening to, Antichrist. I promise you there would be no vague explanation, It will not take a leap of faith to believe, it will not even be me actually teaching you, you will be reading and studying out of the King James Bible. I pray that this reaches you in good health and in good spirits, may God have mercy on all of us.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
@@robertgwin661 for me I have met people who have done the sinners' prayer, who have made to altar call and confessed, and who have received the Holy Ghost, baptized in water, but their hearts have remained cold. So when I judge a person or a sect, I judge them by the fruits that they bear. Matthew 7:16-20
A number of times throughout the Gospel of Thomas we are told that when we come to understand what is being said, we “will not taste death”. That evocative phrase points the way to our escape. Death, by definition, is a state of having no experience. The only experience we can have of death is the fear of it we know while we are still alive. All of the terrors of death can exist only for the living. God is God, and all is in his will. There can be nothing to worry about. The Gospel of Thomas tells me that indulging in worries about death and missing out on the present living moment is a bad trade. Neil Hundtoft
@@neilhundtoft4873 Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
The saying “For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one” explains what happens to a soul that has not come to ‘life’. It is absorbed into the whole, the Source, it ‘tastes death’. This energy (soul) becomes something else. Yeshua (Jesus) explains that people (many of the first), who are enamoured of wealth & power in this life, are at risk of being separated from the Holy Spirit, which links the ‘living’ Spirit to the Source (Father). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼
@@LordJagd yes it is. The 77th saying is very important because it tells us that God, the Source is in everything, but it has found its preferred home in humanity. Just as it was in Yeshua so too is it in us, because we are His brothers & sisters (Thomas 99). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼
Greetings Mr Tom Esplin, I was hoping that you might enlighten me on what you found to be rewarding about this hour and 30 minutes? Please believe me I'm not trying to antagonize you or irritates you, I am simply asking a question. I've been studying the Bible for 15 years and sadly I heard nothing that edified the word of God. Again, I am serious I am not joking. you see I stopped following the teachings of men 15 years ago and I just studied the Bible now, but every now and again I have to poke my head back in, to see what man is talking about, what man is teaching. So, I asked you to please respond and tell me what was it that stirred your soul. What did this gentleman talk about that caused you to say you loved it? To be more specific, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God?
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So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
I thought this was excellently presented in a very balanced way, not pushing for any particular view or approach. You presented multiple sides and opinions and left it to us to decide how each of us might view the Gospel of Thomas and how it fits into the whole picture. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I might add, though very cautious at first, if not skeptical, and though there are things hard to wrap your head around, there were outstanding statements not found anywhere else which proved to come back to me over and over again. And as I pondered and meditated on them, they drew me in, bringing much insight into the inner light and Kingdom of God within - the realm of the Divine, and our opportunity for connection and union therein.
When he talks about men becoming woman and woman becoming man , I believe the reference is we are both ,at soul level . Understanding enlightenment in this human form may open your mind .
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
Wonderful experience & meditation in this teaching. I AM THAT I AM..... christ taught the Advaita Vedanta taught in the eastern religion just beautiful marvellous wonderful.
@Darren, my friend Jesus taught I AM THAT I AM... Are you aware of revelation of the Name. God is there before you! How? I AM Darren. I AM is before you always. If any saying of Master in New testament has I AM referenced in the saying or parable that's Christ indicating he is the I AM that I AM... Don't teach this to people who aren't ready. A little secret - look up Moses' conversation with God on the Mountain with burning bush.... Seek & you will find.
I wanna see a more in depth review of whether Thomas could actually BE Q? Maybe a modified version like the philosophical texts? But that would explain why it "combines" as well as is missing some additions.
John already makes it clear in the video that most scholars don't think Thomas was Q. In fact, there are several diagrams in his presentation that makes it clear that original (non-Gnostic) Thomas was parallel to Q. Scholars think this because our Thomas doesn't preserve all the sayings thought to come from Q, and there is no reason for even the gnostics to delete those sayings. There are also some sayings in Thomas that can't be found in the synoptics that shouldn't be provlematic for the evangelists. Therefore, Thomas is not complete enough to have been Q even in its non-gnostic form.
Love that the study of History and documents never shake your own faith. But rather embrace the History and pursuit of knowledge to create an environment of spiritual discussion aimed at harmony 💕 Looking forward to connecting via ZOOM with you in the near future. Cheers from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
FANTASTIC VIDEO. Thank you so much for this video. I AM MARY MAGDALENE (reincarnated), wife of JESUS. I am going to sit down with JESUS AND THOMAS (PETER too if I can find him) and go over remembering these messages. JESUS came to me very recently to remind me just how similar THOMAS and himself lused to ooked. GOD bless you and keep you.
@@Chris_Sheridan Thank you Chris. I do not need to read any bible at all. I am part of that bible and other religious texts. I have the real deal with me - Jesus. Only earlier today (Wed 16.11.2022) I was in Bromley, Kent. A woman was cross the road with a wayward tolly. She called out: "Oh, Jesus." I smiled to myself. A minute later JESUS said to me: "Mary!!" Again I smiled to myself. Jesus and I were seeing the fun side of this incident.
Final saying: I will personally help her and make her strong like you strong men and any woman that makes herself strong will enter the kingdom of heaven.
I thought scholarly epistemology and philosophic axioms were incompatible with any one of you (clergy) much less any remaining church group (think). The term "groupthink" BTW came from a scholar named Irving; I've used his work in undergraduate papers I've written about propaganda. It's old but a great little bit of social science history. "Groupthink" by Irving. You sir are my new hero. "Visions" of Jesus haunt me and yet I run with the physics department more than any other department since about 2015. Actually, I left grad school (artist is what I say I am) to chase a vision of Christ that recurs in our local Hindu Temple and elsewhere. I tell stories now that is all I do. I LOVE your work. You would know of Occam and that his 'razor' involved rethinking our questions rather than the urban myth that Occam said, "the simplest answer" is usually right. The real grace of Occam's Razor was in this, eliminate needless and intrusive variables when asking your questions. They were having to get permission to count beans so why ask permission, what does authority, for a simplistic example, have to do with basic observations. Experimental design is the place where Occam's Razor is truly powerful. There you may have an experiment or hypothesis where the inquiry is in line with the problem. Now, there are post atomic age observations to deal with. Try selling your epistemological razor to modern biology or quantum mechanical research Occam. Still the question is always more important than the answer, especially when the answers are self-evidently wrong. Occam took a razor to the system called The Church to let science be science and work as it should. He cut science out of theology. I just want to put it back. Christ somehow is real still alive and teaching to my irrational observations. The irrational may still be reasonable, or so I suggest. Conflicts of the church papers. Authority is the only god; you know it! Books! Just books and coins and swords that is all. The Buddha, Gotama must be running with Yeshua right now if there be any heaven or hidden life. The "word" has a poetic meaning too, a manner of speech that is unlikely, even impossible but it was said anyway. Like getting a fat man through the eye of a needle and the plop, there it was, a word that came in faster than light, it could never be fixed or written or codified. If I were not so poor and out of it in general (starving artists still exist) I would travel from here (almost in Mexico) to see you in your church in the great white north. Big fan!!! I just found you this week as I am writing some historic fiction stories with these themes. Thank you I don't even have a spare dollar, so I can only give you this triple thumbs up! Thank you, Rev. Professor!
As an atheist, my favorite gospel. No wonder early Christian Church rejected it as heretical. Makes too much sense. Too much self reflection, too many questions. Contrary to Paul's gospel of obedient blind faith.
I'm sure you coordinated the nag hamaddi text in Coptic with the 200 year earlier papyrus fragments found at the Oxyrhycus (sp) found in a burned down ancient Egyptian Library, written in the original Greek, the surviving parts of which match up very closely Coptic nag hamadi codices. This is bvious strong evidence of translators 2 century survivor.
I think Jesus, in his sayings about “I am”... “cut a piece of wood...l, etc, he is referring to that which we ALL are, because we are one and we will realize this when we realize and experience the kids from of heaven within us (a heavenly meditative state).
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Jesus Christ is the King of Glory! Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly. The days are evil. Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (1 Peter 3:13)
Peace be to you, I meet with Him and Him often. I am from Him. 20th Adar 5777 I stood on Earth amidst The Refiner's Fire and The Fuller's Soap. There was a Witness with me. This was Corporeal. Elijah with Enoch
I don't see why saying 114 should be taken that literally (question in the end of the session) when pretty much all the other sayings are trying to cast of the shackles of literal understandings. There is probably more depth to that saying than we dare go into - at least until we cast of our clothes and dwell upon it as nursing babies and in correlation to the other sayings. Especially in correlation to saying 1, 2 and 3.
But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2 Peter 3:7 - 3:10 - 13) Peace be with you!
I've really been enjoying these different lectures. It's great to see someone digging deep into the origins of these things. I even wonder if Michael Shermer would be interested in interviewing John just based on the scholarship and the fact there is such a rich history behind these things that rarely gets told.
Why would shermer interview him? Shermer is a pseudoskeptic atheist who hates religion and doesn't even believe in any spirit world. he's like richard dawkins.
@@happierabroad I think he's intellectually curious whether he believes in it or not. I mean, what John is talking about are the known facts around which these books emerged. I'm just saying I think it would be an interesting conversation, not necessarily a debate over the existence of God or miracles.
@@jetpromys But shermer is a pseudoskeptic and debunker. he doesn't ask questions like a truth seeker. all he does is debunk anything that contradicts materialism and atheism. he isn't a truth seeker, he's already made up his mind. anytime you see him on TV that's all he does, 100 percent of the time, he's a paid propagandist most likely and totally predictable.
@@happierabroad Actually, on one of his recent podcasts about a month ago, Shermer had a couple gentlemen on who were presenting arguments in favor of belief in God, and Shermer did not knock them down. At any rate, it was just an idea. John is so articulate and has such a warm personality, I think he would have a positive influence wherever he speaks.
I have always taken the last saying as referring to more esoteric meanings having to do with what we now call chakras.. meaning female referring to the lower feminine and male referring to the upper or 'crown' chakra.. But who knows for certain? Not I thank you lol.. I am eagerly looking forward to the upcoming talk on Q and the GOT.. Thank you for what you do.
"Trying to decide for themselves" ignores pentecost and the illumination of the Holy Trinity that was within their minds and hearts. It is as saying that Christ was deciding for Himself while he repeatedly said that He is not doing his own will but The Father's Will.
Thomas is saying basically what all the other writers are saying, Thomas 114. It has to be, all interpreted metaphorically to say, that all women are our equals. Thank you, for the very good lesson. Do we misinterpret scripturally, because we look more at the literal than it being symbolically?
It is interesting that the possibility (and I would argue almost certainty) that over years of teaching, Jesus himself spoke in slightly different versions of the same teaching, just like anyone else would. It seems to me almost impossible that He would have brought a teaching such as " the first will be last and the last will be first" and conveyed it many times in many different situations and used exactly the same words every time. This option of different accounts seems to not be considered at all, only that there was one single correct source and numerous corruptions. For me, this casts serious scholarly doubt on the entire analysis. Not to even mention that Q is regarding in the start as a hypothetical text, then subsequently referred to repeatedly as if it is foundational fact. I enjoy the discussion, but the analysis isn't well executed, in my opinion.
That’s a good point. The gospels are written 50-100 years after Jesus died, though, so it’s more likely that the texts are copies of each other than different accounts of Jesus’ own words. Also, remember that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and the gospels are written in Greek. So, if 2 texts have the same word for word passages in Greek, they are likely inspired by each other.
Pagels has been writing best-sellers that the Gospel of John was written/edited to refute the much older Gospel of Thomas. Strong evidence it's true. The non-superstitious Doubting Thomas was proven wrong, so the non-superstitions Gospel of Thomas must be wrong too and so on. That means Thomas was around, and called "Thomas" when disciples that knew Thomas were still around to dispute it. A very different breed of cat than the Christian Gospels written decades later.
@Darren The Gospel of Thomas isn't second century, capital "G" Gnostic. It's the opposite. There are hundreds of very strong Thomas/Christian Gospel parallels. Since you were a "gnostic" you should have no problem pointing out a Thomas/2nd century capital "G" Gnostic parallel. Just one, and I ***GUARANTEE*** you can't.
@@Neanderthal31416 I don't think the lecturer is saying what you attribute. There could be a typo in some slides. But when he speaks the word 'gnostic'.... You might hear it with a capital G. But usually I don't. Maybe Gnosticism is different from what 'The Gnostics' believed
@@johnrhodes3350 The lecturer is a great guy and well informed. I like and respect him. But to infer, in any way, shape or form, that the Gospel of Thomas related to the Gnostics in the slightest, is pure nonsense. It's the near-exact opposite. Has he spelled out the difference between capital "G" Gnostics and the general notion of respecting knowledge, "gnostic"? Not that I've noticed, but I could be wrong.
“Pope Gregory I said that only a prophet could understand the prophets. And it is said that only a poet can understand a poet. Who, then, must we be in order to understand Yeshua?” - Jean-Yves Leloup
The arrogance behind Leloup's comment cracks me up! Well of course (the comment assumes), it couldn't have been Jesus' audience, those uneducated bumpkins in Galilee to whom Jesus preached, who could have actually understood anything of what he said. The implication here is that Jesus' words have been waiting for 2,000 years, and maybe longer, before the oh so clever among us might discover their true meaning. Something is going wrong here. It makes me sigh. Neil Hundtoft
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
" India knows that a Krishna can be an incarnation of God, although he lives in a palace with every luxury; Buddha can be an incarnation of God although he renounces his kingdom, luxuries, comforts; Mahavira can be an incarnation of God, although he discards even his clothes and lives naked. India has seen so many ways of people like Jesus that it has come to one conclusion: leave the person alone. If you can learn something from him, good; otherwise there is no harm in paying him respect. Perhaps he is right; and if he is wrong, what are you losing? Giving respect, even to a wrong person, is not bad. So in Kashmir Jesus was not troubled by anybody. He was not news there. In India such people are not news. Thomas, he sent to the south of India for a special reason. Northern India is very sophisticated, and all these great teachers, Buddha, Mahavira, Krishna, Patanjali, Gorakh, Kabir - it is an unending line - were all born and lived in northern India, for the simple reason that northern India is Aryan. South India is non-Aryan, it has African blood. Once south India was just part of South Africa; South Africa has drifted away. Now it is a late discovery in geography that continents go on drifting, they are still drifting. The drift is very small, one foot in a year, so you cannot feel it. But continents are continuously drifting, they are not fixed: in thousands of years, of course, much change happens. It was a great insight of Jesus to send Thomas to South India where it was possible to preach and spread Jesus’ word. In northern India nobody would have bothered about it. Northern India was so full of philosophical reasoning, argumentation; was so sophisticated that Thomas, a poor, uneducated man - who was going to listen to him? But perhaps South India would be receptive; and it was. The whole state of Kerala is eighty percent Christian; and it is not a new phenomenon - it was Thomas’ work. Goa is completely Christian - Thomas’ body is still in Goa. It reminds me to tell you of one thing: Thomas’ is the only body, outside Tibet, which is still the same as it was on the day the person died. It has not been preserved by any chemicals, or by any scientific methods. It is one of the rarest phenomena on the earth. Every year the body is brought out of the inner chambers of the church for the public to see. And I have seen the body, and you can see: it is as if the man has just gone to sleep, and not even died. Yes, he is not breathing, but in two thousand years the body has not deteriorated. Scientists have tried to find out how it is preserved. There is nothing to find because it is not preserved by any preservatives; it is through a long training in yoga and certain breathing exercises that have the capacity to change the inner workings of biochemistry. For thirty years Thomas practiced yoga. Thomas lived like a Hindu brahmin. If you see a picture of Thomas you will be surprised. What kind of Christian is this? - his head shaved like a Hindu brahmin monk, with a small piece of hair on the top of his head left uncut, the choti. He even wore a thread, yagyopavit, that is only worn by born brahmins. He used only a small piece of cloth just to cover the lower part of his body, the loincloth as it is called. If you have seen Mahatma Gandhi’s picture you know the cloth that just covers him from his waist to his knees - that’s enough. And in the south they use it just as a wraparound; Thomas used just the wraparound lungi, only up to the knee. And he used the wooden sandals. He looked a perfect Hindu. He became vegetarian when he was in India. He tried to learn as much yoga as possible and he really performed a miracle. He said, “After my death don’t bury my body and don’t make a grave for me. I have managed to change its inner workings.” It was predicted by Thomas - and that prediction may come true - that his body would remain preserved till the very end of the world. Two thousand years have passed and the body is preserved. Only last year, for the first time, was a little sign of deterioration detected. Perhaps the end of the world is close. If the man was right about his body, saying not to destroy it, it is going to remain till the very end of the world - and according to many sources the end of the world is coming closer - his prediction may also be true. Only last year, that was 1984, for the first time a little deterioration appeared. Perhaps by the end of this century the body may have deteriorated completely. Thomas’ prediction is: the day my body deteriorates completely, that is the end of this world."
Thank you John for this superb overview. A question: You say the NT names Simon Magus whom Irenaeus identifies as a "gnostic."I find Irenaeus identifying him as a Simonian, rather than a gnostic. Is there another reference? Also what identifies Hymenaeus and Philetus as gnostics? When exactly did the word gnostic come to take on its current meaning, ie as a particular kind of heterodoxy? I ask, noting that n late C2nd/early3rdCE Clement of Alexandria used the phrase "the true gnostic" to indicate a devout believer and seeker of truth. I agree that harmonization usually manifests as getting longer winded and more subtle - a phenomenon well-known to any writer. Whereas Thomas' sayings are punchier and cruder. Bart Ehrman's argument flies in the face of what harmonisation actually looks like. I think you bring that out really clearly. Thank you for sharing this. Health and Peace, Paul
Setting a widely-agreed upon definition of capital-G "Gnosticism" is one of the more heated debates within biblical scholarship nowadays and there is a vocal camp that would argue the term has no usefulness as an academic heuristic (see: Rethinking "Gnosticism" by Michael A. Williams for more on this idea).
A wisdom text is understood symbolically. Making the female male must not be read literally. Otherwise, the reader misses the point. The female gives birth to flesh, thus is associated with the physical realm, duality. To become male is to become as the father, to be in the likeness of the father, one with the father, the transcendent consciousness, as opposed to the consciousness of duality and opposites. All wisdom writings are symbolic, and must be understood in the context of the culture from which they come. Daoism speaks, for example, of the mother, Dao, instead of the father. It uses the term "female" as a symbol for humility, the emptiness. It states in poem 10, as the door of Heaven opens and closes, can you be the female? So, in Daoist culture, the term "female" has a virtuous significance. Poem 28 of the Dao De Jing says, be aware of the male, but tend to the female. It is also translated as, know the male, but keep to the female. Dao De Jing 42 speaks of blending the male (yang) and the female (yin.)
That last saying about women is very profound, similar to Taoism or Kundalini, Tomas speaks of fusing the yin and yang. The Prana and Apana, or in this case the combination of women and men. I am going to read the book of Tomas now. Great video.
@c marl it absolutely talks about kundalini and if you’ve had that experience you will know exactly the meaning of the riddles in this Gospel. He is the way and the truth and the life
@@paulgemme6056 unless the man or women is perfect. That's the other way. But what does perfect atually mean? Morally? Physically? Perfect in the deeds they do?
@@Guerillapreneur Jesus is flawless in his teachings. Man has skewed them. Before I became a Christian I trained many years in a type of internal kug fu. When I came to the realization the spirit realm is real, Jesus made all the more sense. Eventually I learned a kriya passed down by lahiri mahasaya. This taught me how to pray properly. Mathew 6:6. Unbelievers will never understand.
@c Marl, funny how you replied to a 10 month old comment so quickly:) I think many Christians do not understand the deeper meanings of the words of Christ as he spoke from a higher consciousness- which you cannot unravel with a 3D mind and ego. Unfortunately this is what most religions do - they do not understand different levels and consciousness. And they do not know about the spiritual nature of man. Making the woman a man and the man a woman speaks to the masculine and feminine principle in every being. It’s not about the 3D war of sexes. I know you know that- just writing this for anyone interested. Jesus asks us to seek the Kingdom of heavens and that the kingdom of god is found inside of us - yet they refuse to look inside. Praying is talking - meditating is listening. „My people die of lack of knowledge“🙏✨
I would just like to make a point that even top biblical scholars are often not aware of as regards oral traditions. The scriptures of early Buddhism were transmitted orally for hundreds of years, their total length being many times that of the Bible, the English translation being 33 substantial books. This did not rely on being in rhyme or metre for transmission but there is a lot of repetition. The point is that a truly vast tradition can be transmitted orally, if there is a large group of settled monastics to recite it. As with any oral tradition of course it does not remain static, but the changes are likely to be more gradual than in the looser Chinese whispers situation envisaged for early Christianity.
Gnostics are the ones that remember the books they read, in the spirt body, then after remembering , wrote down what they had read, they brought all the book to our world, man did not create these writings , Gnostic were not in same body wen reading the books , they remember them. That's why we have the book, Sane as the blind man in the Apocrypha , at the end he never existed, no proof, but we are left with the memories. The son was guided to a different land, and led to his wife , but no proof, but has the memories of his Journey with the man, that never existed. All real ,and physical at the time, but in the end, only the memories are left. The knowledge is left, being vist ed by intelligent is only physical wen it is here, then all gone in the end, no proof.
Long after the failed Crucifixion; *Act Thomae also shows that Jesus and Thomas also attended a Marriage Party in Taxila (now in Pakistan). Small statue of Thomas still exists in Taxila Museum. That marriage party was of daughter of Buddhist King (Raja) of Taxila whom Jesus converted. Act Thomae CLEARELY shows: Jesus was indeed in Taxila long after his failed Crucifixion. So Act Thomae confirms Quranic verse 4:157 which powerfully tells that Jesus did not die on the Cross*
True, Ha-ha. You’ve heard one piano man, you’ve heard ‘em all…. at least in a manner of speaking. It’s sort of like all them gospels. They’re as different as Billy Joel and Reggie Dwight. Each one with its own tenor and resonance.
Here's the most amazing thing about Thomas, 100.0% of the sayings that are in Thomas, have zero explicit superstition from the viewpoint of science. Not that science sits in judgment, but what Gnostic editor would remove all the superstition? Here's a quick list of things considered superstition by science. You can finish the list, if it's superstition, without exception, it's not in there. Lots of incomprehensible stuff, but no superstition. No Virgin Birth. No Judgment Day. No Satan-god. No demon-gods. No angel-gods. No Son-god. No raising the dead. No walking on water. No God you pray to, or has opinions like a human. No multiplying foodstuffs. No resurrection. Etc. etc. It's all of it, every solitary shred of superstition is gone. It's the first document in all human history that can say that, and you didn't even notice.
As a scientist, who knows nothing about the Gospel of Thomas, and precious little about the gospels of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John the Antisemite, I was happy to read your list of supernatural elements that are _not_ present in the Gospel of Thomas. I’m much more sympathetic to a “gospel” that has its roots in the natural universe, and not in a world of fantasy. In defense of the speaker, however, I don’t believe this was the intent or goal of his presentation to elucidate these differences. For me, the valuable takeaway is that the many christianities (which I formerly described under the umbrella term “Christianity”) are the product of human invention, and that the gospels, esp the Synoptic Gospels and MOST especially the anti-Semitic screed of John provide the historical evidence of their own secular origin. This is good to know, as I used to presume a much more epiphanic or ethereal, if not divinely inspired origin to the “New Testament”, but it’s all apparently a hodgepodge of ideas, written by committee over hundreds of years…. and a not very well organized committee at that…. at least not until the Council of Nicaea, at which point it became slightly better organized…. But they still couldn’t patch together the hot mess that preceded it. The very secular editing process that took place in Nicaea had already occurred organically, but in a much more haphazard manner in the centuries that preceded Nicaea. Why anyone believes this stuff is anything other than the work of human authors is an absolute jaw-dropper.
@@MendTheWorld Yeah, all of the superstition from the viewpoint of science is gone. I just don't understand how no one notices or cares. I have a science background too, and always loved some of the things Jesus said, but some made me cringe. How amazing none of the cringe stuff was in there. Blew me away. And all this talk of Gnostics editing it and so on, they were the most superstitious people on earth, no way they edited out all the superstition, it had to come from one very amazing person. You figure the more you know about a person in history, the more you see the warts and flaws, but the more I learn about the historical Jesus, the more I love him. Not that science sits in judgment, it just predicts experiments. The Uncertainty of the Quantum Theory, the Unknowability of the Incompleteness Theorem/Halting Problem etc. it's just shadows on the wall of the cave. I've mapped the Gospel of Thomas onto Many Worlds Quantum Theory/Cyclic Universe and it's spooky how easy it is to do it. This being Heaven, this world will pass away, the end is the beginning, etc. Might be too long to post here, not sure. I think Matthew has the Blood Libel against the Jews, but yeah, it's in all the Christian Gospels, they were the competition, and of course, you don't blame anything on the Romans or you get nailed to a stick. In Thomas, Jesus is Jewish, no hint he's anything else. Granted, not particularly observant on diet and some other things, but Judaism was much more diverse in the first century. The Didache is explicit about being Jewish, talking about gentiles, and Thomas is older. Yeah, I think the world of John, I need to start a comment saying so. I just have strong opinions on Thomas, having put a lot of time in on it.
Can I ask about the issue where you discuss at about 15.29 the 3 versions of The Poor and the Kingdom. Is it not the case that a term, 'The Poor', was used as a reference to the sect of which Jesus was a member. In that context, it is they, the members of the sect, who inherit The Kingdom, as one might expect. In that context, I would hazard St Thomas is the earlier and accurate expression. In later times, we've come to associate 'The Poor' with those who are of limited wealth and position, because that is what it means to us in our social context. I recall the copies of the King James version also having 'The Poor' printed as thus, not in lower case in my childhood. This would say, you can always give to the sect (because he was challenged that she should have given the money to the sect instead of wasting it profligately). but I won't always be here. Your comment please.
Being in the light, comes from John the Baptist. Read the ancient Mandaean Ginza Rba. His entire thing was based on light, and the Place of Light. Read John 1, talking about John B. it's all about light.
If the person who invented the idea of q were alive today there is no doubt in my mind that when Thomas was discovered, that person would say that this was probably the quotes gospel he was thinking about and perhaps there may be more
Saying Thomas 3 is Gnostic, is totally INSANE. It's the Second Commandment, and repeated constantly in the Old Testament. I will now post the Thomas 3 parallels in the Old Testament and a couple selected Jewish/Samaritan sources. Deuteronomy 30:11-14 111 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 2 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. Deuteronomy 5:8-9 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them Exodus 20:4 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. Baruch 3:29-30 Who has gone up to the heavens and taken her, or brought her down from the clouds? 30 Who has crossed the sea and found her, bearing her away rather than choice gold? Job 28:12-14 12 "But where can wisdom be found? Where does understanding dwell? 13 Man does not comprehend its worth; it cannot be found in the land of the living. 14 The deep says, 'It is not in me'; the sea says, 'It is not with me.' Moses Cordovero (16thC) , Elimah Rabbati Essential Kabbalah p. 24 “Before anything emanated there was only Ein Sof... Everything is within it; it is within everything and outside of everything. There is nothing but it.” Marqah, Memar 6.3 (The greatest Samaritan writer, and he's talking about Jesus, and quoting him.) Well of Living Water: 3 There is a Well of living water dug by a Prophet whose like has not arisen since Adam and the water which is in it is from the mouth of God. Let us eat from the fruit that is in this garden and let us drink from the waters that are in this well. There is no need for us to see it in a place we cannot get to. "It is not in heaven" and it is not in crossing the sea (Deut 30:12-13). "In the mouth and in the heart" it is done (Deut 30:14). And woe to us! For we do not do it; it is far from us. We do not learn it though we came down from heaven! It was given to us and we believed in it. It was with them; it was within the Light. And the glory was around, for it was the word of God. His hand wrote and the Prophet received it with signs from on high. And YHWH came down and dwelt with him
I support the argument that the authorship of the Gospel of Thomas predates Quelle and was the source for much of Quelle's text as well as that of Mark. It appears to me that your discussion of Sayings #65 and #66 (at 32:00 - 36:00 minutes) includes observations based on criteria which support my assertion. Original versions, we agree, tend to be the shortest, least elaborated and most generalized. As you point out, Mark was the source for Matthew and Luke. Yet Mark's version provides an extended narrative, drawing imagery from Isaiah about the vineyard and placing it all in a setting of rebuke to those failing to accept Jesus as Messiah. In Mark's version, the owner becomes angry and gives the vineyard to the care of others more deserving. We see Luke and Matthew pick up on Mark's theme of anger and extend it further to include the very destruction of those “miserable wretches”! But in Thomas, the text is direct, short and absolutely devoid of emotion. The beating of the servant is simply dismissed as a failure to communicate. There's no anger and no suggestion of retribution, which it appears is the later contribution of the synoptic authors drawing from Thomas. And so we go from Thomas, giving us an unemotional observation that the innocent will suffer, to Mark, for which the suffering of the innocent is the theme. Mark expands on Thomas by introducing sectarian anger and the eviction of the unworthy from the vineyard. This version then travels to the hyperbolic vitriol of Luke and Matthew who are out to destroy “those miserable wretches”. In a side-by-side comparison of texts, it appears unavoidable to conclude the chronology as I propose it. Is this not a sound line of reasoning? This was a great lecture and such a refreshing addition to the tube's content. Please continue bringing us this good food! Thank you for all. Neil Hundtoft
What I like about the Gnostic view is that we all can become Christs or beings of light..The Eastern Orthodox have the idea of Theosis or God realization which is similar to the beings of light of the gnostics..if we all can agree that at the base of the universe is energy and energy is in everything than the saying from Thomas regarding splitting wood makes sense..Regarding 114 it sounds sexist but it us not. Thomas is a wisdom gospel and should not be taken literally. Peter sees Marh as a woman and less than but Jesus see her as a being of light and therefore can attain the same spiritual connection
male in ancient teachings means inwardness female means outwardness originated from indian teachings in yoga meditation like under the fig tree means meditation.
Didymus Judas Thomas was Jesus' son. They found his body in the Talpiot tomb next to his father and mother (Mariamne). He wrote down his father's sayings.
A lie from the pit of hell. The devil (Satan) is a liar and the father of lies. Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
His mother named him Emanuel" (God is with us.) The people belived He was Yesua, (Saviour). Jews titled Him Yeh, (God) and Greek people added Zuss the superior god, namely Jesus. He wouldn't have turned for any of those. The friends called him Rbbi, teacher.
How did the Gospel of Thomas' sayings become numbered? Could someone please tell me how the Gospel of Thomas came to have its sayings numbered from 1 to 114? When you combine the numbers with the prologue “THESE are the hidden sayings...” the numbering becomes quite misleading. It leads one to think that Jesus sat down one day and dictated 114 sayings to Thomas in the order given in the Coptic document, which is clearly not the case. Sometimes, the saying is not even Jesus speaking, such as in Saying #74. Saying #47 could easily be split into several sayings, as the five saying-lets grouped there don't appear to relate to each other in any clear way. Saying #66 could well be included as part of Saying #65, as it provides a conclusion to the parable of the tenants. That is the way Mark 12 treats it. I would sure appreciate the help of that scholar out there who knows the answer to this. The clincher for me recognizing that the numbering isn't original to the document is that the numbering assigned to the Coptic copy from Nag Hammadi was used to assign parallel numbers to the Oxyrynchus papyrus fragments. No one knew how those fragments fit into the larger whole until the Nag Hammadi library was found. Thanks ahead to the gracious scholar who will take time to resolve this troubling puzzle for me. With gratitude, Neil Hundtoft
The gnostics seemed to write through the lense of seeing in the spirit. Understanding the spiritual realm and explaining it. That last verse in Thomas wanted to trigger but if it's there it means something. All of creation has to find a balance of masculine and feminine energy.
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
@@paulgemme6056 Not sure your intent an all that information but thanks for adding to the comment. Yes exactly. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He offers more then salvation though. There is more to Him when you seek him. Maybe some day you will understand my post.
@@crysruiz4 Sorry, I miss understood your comment. Just trying to plant as many (gospel)seeds as I can. The days are evil. I know Christ Jesus offers a whole lot more than just saving one's soul from the pit of hell. God/Jesus Christ changed my life, attitude, heart a long time ago with the power of his love and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly. Peace be with you!
This presenter speaks of the potential that Thomas was composed later from oral traditions, but this ignores what is declared in the opening statement of the Gospel, and that is, "These are the secret sayings of the living Jesus (the Jesus before crucifixion), and I Didymus Judas Thomas wrote them down".
It says I am the light that is over all things, not in. So maybe when it says split a piece of wood, lift a stone, it means the light cast from the sun. Just maybe.
26:44 Not sure what version of the Bible he is using. I had never heard Mark 10:31 with the words "and of the last many will be first". I started to say the scripture with him & when I heard him add the last words, uh, I looked it up because his verse has a totally different many. Pulled out my Tyndale NLT, Thompson's Kirkbride KJ, Oxford NEB - "But many who (that) are first/the greatest now will (shall) be last/least important then(;) and the last/those who seem least important now will be first/the greatest then." So...grain of salt needed
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
This guy is the best scholar I have every come across. He has no axe to grind and is very chilled out.
Well said, he is an unpretentious scholar : an erudite Everyman.
I cannot stop watching - my life would have been much different had this been available 20 years ago.
.. problem is your ignorance means you can't tell the difference between truth and fiction. The dude is not a scholar - just glib talk that fools the uneducated who can't research for themselves.
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Love the speaker’s style. Low key. Humble. No agenda. Yet very knowledgeable. I trust everything he says.
I agree, he's a GREAT teacher
Couldn't agree more. And he can talk about so many different topics. Other historians whose lectures I've really enjoyed include Kenneth Harl, Bart Ehrman, Jennifer Paxton, Garrett Fagan, Philip Daileader and Andrew Fix. There are lots of others who can match them in knowledge but unfortunately don't have the charisma. If anyone can recommend other history lectures please do, it's hard to find.
God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need.
I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God.
What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it.
Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
May God have mercy on your souls.
(Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand.
14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE:
15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.)
So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes.
What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.)
How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ?
You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you.
one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine.
One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about..
May God have mercy on our souls.
@@justmoritzGod, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need.
I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God.
What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it.
Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
May God have mercy on your souls.
(Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand.
14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE:
15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.)
So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes.
What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.)
How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ?
You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you.
one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine.
One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about..
May God have mercy on our souls.
God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need.
I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God.
What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it.
Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
May God have mercy on your souls.
(Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand.
14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE:
15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.)
So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes.
What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.)
How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ?
You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you.
one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine.
One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain.
you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about..
May God have mercy on our souls.
Wonderful lecture on the Gospel of Thomas. The one thing I couldn't help but notice which I think was lost on the presenter was the idea of Thomas as a Twin. It's was not meant to be literal. It implies that Thomas has understood the teachings and transcended, and thus has become like Jesus.
It was meant to be literal. There is another book (Acts of Thomas) that spells out clearly the views of the now-extinct Syro-Persian Thomasine branch of the Church on this relationship. In it there is no question that Dydimus Judas Thomas was an identical twin brother of Jesus who physically looked exactly like Jesus himself. The resurrected Jesus had to cajole and trick him in various ways (including literally framing him for a crime by impersonation) to get him to spread the message to India.
@@andrewsuryali8540 any good source to read about it?
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
@@rms_6401So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
Thomas 114 gives full equality to women, if they want it. It's the first document ever written by a human that does that. It was easily the most shocking thing to the ears of first century listeners. That alone makes it the most amazing document in the history of human religion.
The historical Jesus, in Thomas, was dead right about absolutely everything.
The author Thomas did not know the rabbi, he was a disciple of Mani long after yeshua died.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs No no, we have physical scraps of the Gospel of Thomas from 150-200CE. But Mani used Thomas alright.
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."
Galatians 3:26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
This scripture comes to mind. Perhaps the hearers were like the Galatians who needed reminding.
John Hamer is the world’s best teacher.
Thank you, Pastor John for your very illuminating lesson!
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
John and Thomas disagreed; but they were clearly members of the same club. I notice how the prologue to the gospel of John (John 1:1-5) can be all but seamlessly interwoven with Thomas' saying #77. It makes for a pretty smooth read. When I read this interwoven version, I can't fail to recognize a kindred spirit animating both authors.
John begins:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.
Jesus in Thomas #77 responds:
I am the light that is over all things. I am all.
John continues:
Through him all things were made and without him was not anything made that was made.
Jesus in Thomas #77 responds:
From me, all has come forth, and to me all has reached.
John continues:
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. His light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
Jesus in Thomas #77 brings closure:
Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there.
This makes it appear that the two were once very close, and I imagine a very bitter split happening at some point. They just could never come to agree regarding which was more important - history or the present moment. Hmmmmm..... Neil Hundtoft
It seems to me that the writer of Thomas had access to the Gospel of John and wrote the gospel of Thomas from the access to John. Very little to learn from the gospel of Thomas unless you want to confirm a gnostic point of view!
@@dapaulson1 But the author of John was the one who came up with "Doubting Thomas" (John 20:24-29), so if we consider these characters as representative of subsects in Christianity, it seems that the Johannine Community had some sort of beef with a Thomasine Community and vice versa, and the latter hit back at the Johannines in their own gospel. It's really funny that we have this fight preserved thousands of years later in both texts.
I absolutely love your lectures, thank you. I have always gravitated toward the gnostic view of Christianity.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
This was a great presentation. Thank you for going through the effort of the study and sharing so many quotes and the context behind all of this.
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So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
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you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing
Since I can't go to church during the pandemic, this channel is the next best thing
Me too. It has been a refreshing indepth inspiration for spiritual upliftment. Love 💘 that strength of faith is not shaken by historical documents but focused on creating true harmony in openness to freely discuss faith 💕 I'm uplifted even being in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Another amazing lecture John! Best of UA-cam.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing
I need to point out, I think the world of John and have learned a lot from his wonderful lectures, and am grateful for his wisdom and humanity. I just feel strongly about the Gospel of Thomas. Don't mean to be caustic, just kinda' turns out that way.
If it was meant to be taken as God's word, it would have been in the bible.
@paulgemme6056
Why was the Book of Enoch taken out?
This is wild. Learning about Thomas 77 it reminded me of this:
"I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look-wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build, I'll be there, too." ~ Tom Joad, Grapes of Wrath.
Neil Hundtoft, greetings, I have taken I guess a different approach then you have, with my 15 years of study. in no way do I seek to offend or to upset, I am simply sharing a different approach.
I have studied the holy Bible the 1611 version, and the first translation of the King James version of the Bible. one of the many things that I have done differently from others, is it I did not start in the Old Testament I started in a New Testament.
For some reason I was drawn to it, I believe it was the knowledge of knowing that this is what was given to those under the new covenant. there were certain things that caught my attention that I could not ignore.
In Matthew 13, Jesus gives a parable of the sower, and he said something that is frightening, for some readers, look at what he said.
(Matthew 13:10 And the DISCIPLES came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables?
11 He answered and said unto THEM, Because it is given unto YOU to Know the Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.)
Do you see the separation? Jesus tells his disciples, that the information is given to them but not to others, not to the multitude. Reading that made me certain of one thing, I had to become a disciple of Jesus Christ if I was going to learn about the parables.
That is what the separation is, Those that follow Jesus and those that follow others. I would stop listening to the teachings of earthly men around that time, Because for me, Jesus could not say it any clearer than he just had.
That fear stayed with me for a while, until I came upon this next verse that caught my attention.
(Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been KEPT SECRET from the foundation of the world.)
It would be some five books later that I would read this in 1 Corinthians 2.
(1 Corinthians 2:14 But the NATURAL MAN receiveth not THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can HE KNOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.)
Do you see the separation, it's right there it can be no clearer than that. what that verse is saying is, that there is a surface reading of the Bible and there is a SPIRITUAL READING OF THE BIBLE.
I do not know you, and I can't be sure that we have ever met. I can honestly say that I do not think we have, Neil, man is at the bottom of the spiritual food chain, as Jesus stated if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.
I cannot express to you in a way that you can comprehend, how void that hour and 30 minutes was that I spent, listening to this gentleman speak, he edified nothing, there was nothing gained nothing taught of any use, in understanding the word of God.
Neil, if you ask me, I will give you 4 hours of study and you will call the gentleman that you spent, an hour and 30 minutes listening to, Antichrist. I promise you there would be no vague explanation, It will not take a leap of faith to believe, it will not even be me actually teaching you, you will be reading and studying out of the King James Bible.
I pray that this reaches you in good health and in good spirits, may God have mercy on all of us.
@@robertgwin661 I'm not @Neil Hundtoft.
Good ol' Steinbeck!
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
@@robertgwin661 for me I have met people who have done the sinners' prayer, who have made to altar call and confessed, and who have received the Holy Ghost, baptized in water, but their hearts have remained cold. So when I judge a person or a sect, I judge them by the fruits that they bear. Matthew 7:16-20
I read this profound spiritual truth saying somewhere 'if we die before we die then we never die at all'
A number of times throughout the Gospel of Thomas we are told that when we come to understand what is being said, we “will not taste death”. That evocative phrase points the way to our escape. Death, by definition, is a state of having no experience. The only experience we can have of death is the fear of it we know while we are still alive. All of the terrors of death can exist only for the living. God is God, and all is in his will. There can be nothing to worry about. The Gospel of Thomas tells me that indulging in worries about death and missing out on the present living moment is a bad trade. Neil Hundtoft
Daoism also refers to dying yet not dying, poem 33, final line. Dao 15, closing stanza, sheds light on this.
None of us will escape death
@@neilhundtoft4873 Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
The saying “For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one” explains what happens to a soul that has not come to ‘life’. It is absorbed into the whole, the Source, it ‘tastes death’. This energy (soul) becomes something else. Yeshua (Jesus) explains that people (many of the first), who are enamoured of wealth & power in this life, are at risk of being separated from the Holy Spirit, which links the ‘living’ Spirit to the Source (Father). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼
That first line is staggeringly beautiful - I cannot believe how these sayings were corrupted into apocalyptic preaching
@@LordJagd indeed. An unfortunate legacy of the beast humans evolved from - power & control is their goal. 🙏🏼
@@gospelofthomas77thpearl22 Is your name a reference to the 77th saying in Thomas? Because that might be my favorite one.
@@LordJagd yes it is. The 77th saying is very important because it tells us that God, the Source is in everything, but it has found its preferred home in humanity. Just as it was in Yeshua so too is it in us, because we are His brothers & sisters (Thomas 99). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼
I greatly enjoyed this presentation. Thank you for sharing it with us!
As always, excellent lecture. John, you're an amazing person with integrity. God bless you and blessings to all.
Love your teaching John. Greetings from Australia
Greetings Mr Tom Esplin, I was hoping that you might enlighten me on what you found to be rewarding about this hour and 30 minutes?
Please believe me I'm not trying to antagonize you or irritates you, I am simply asking a question. I've been studying the Bible for 15 years and sadly I heard nothing that edified the word of God.
Again, I am serious I am not joking. you see I stopped following the teachings of men 15 years ago and I just studied the Bible now, but every now and again I have to poke my head back in, to see what man is talking about, what man is teaching.
So, I asked you to please respond and tell me what was it that stirred your soul. What did this gentleman talk about that caused you to say you loved it? To be more specific, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God?
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This is gold! Blessings 🙌
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
this was such an illuminating watch. thank you so much for your research and time.
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
I thought this was excellently presented in a very balanced way, not pushing for any particular view or approach. You presented multiple sides and opinions and left it to us to decide how each of us might view the Gospel of Thomas and how it fits into the whole picture. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I might add, though very cautious at first, if not skeptical, and though there are things hard to wrap your head around, there were outstanding statements not found anywhere else which proved to come back to me over and over again. And as I pondered and meditated on them, they drew me in, bringing much insight into the inner light and Kingdom of God within - the realm of the Divine, and our opportunity for connection and union therein.
When he talks about men becoming woman and woman becoming man , I believe the reference is we are both ,at soul level . Understanding enlightenment in this human form may open your mind .
Thank you sir great speaker
Thank you for all your lectures, I really enjoy them and nice to learn. God bless. Greg
So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be
Wonderful experience & meditation in this teaching. I AM THAT I AM..... christ taught the Advaita Vedanta taught in the eastern religion just beautiful marvellous wonderful.
@Darren, my friend Jesus taught I AM THAT I AM... Are you aware of revelation of the Name. God is there before you! How?
I AM Darren. I AM is before you always. If any saying of Master in New testament has I AM referenced in the saying or parable that's Christ indicating he is the I AM that I AM... Don't teach this to people who aren't ready.
A little secret - look up Moses' conversation with God on the Mountain with burning bush.... Seek & you will find.
Lovely looking forward to discerning more of this... Incredible... So much more to discover.. Amazing Grace!
Amazing lecture ty ty ty so much for it, it was fantastic!!!!!
I wanna see a more in depth review of whether Thomas could actually BE Q? Maybe a modified version like the philosophical texts? But that would explain why it "combines" as well as is missing some additions.
That’s what I was just thinking the same thing. Thanks for your comment.
As I was listening I was getting annoyed that this wasn't even suggested or ruled out. Glad I'm not alone in this sentiment
John already makes it clear in the video that most scholars don't think Thomas was Q. In fact, there are several diagrams in his presentation that makes it clear that original (non-Gnostic) Thomas was parallel to Q. Scholars think this because our Thomas doesn't preserve all the sayings thought to come from Q, and there is no reason for even the gnostics to delete those sayings. There are also some sayings in Thomas that can't be found in the synoptics that shouldn't be provlematic for the evangelists. Therefore, Thomas is not complete enough to have been Q even in its non-gnostic form.
Love that the study of History and documents never shake your own faith. But rather embrace the History and pursuit of knowledge to create an environment of spiritual discussion aimed at harmony 💕 Looking forward to connecting via ZOOM with you in the near future. Cheers from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Impartial scholarship rendered comprehensible and absorbing to people like myself who are not in academia
Love your insights! If you could work on getting the audio level up it would be great!
He was voted out! Committee said nope, you are not holy enough. Hit the bricks….. divinely inspired, of course…
I wish we had more of it.
Thank you my friend 💞🌹🙏
Very well done.
I love the lecture...john...greetings from indonesia
Thank you Father . Cleave the wood and yo will find me God is in everything
FANTASTIC VIDEO.
Thank you so much for this video.
I AM MARY MAGDALENE (reincarnated), wife of JESUS.
I am going to sit down with JESUS AND THOMAS (PETER too if I can find him) and go over remembering these messages.
JESUS came to me very recently to remind me just how similar THOMAS and himself lused to ooked.
GOD bless you and keep you.
.. according to scripture Jesus remained single - he was NOT sent to earth to marry or procreate.
Better start reading the bible and educate yourself!
@@Chris_Sheridan
Thank you Chris.
I do not need to read any bible at all.
I am part of that bible and other religious texts.
I have the real deal with me - Jesus.
Only earlier today (Wed 16.11.2022) I was in Bromley, Kent. A woman was cross the road with a wayward tolly. She called out: "Oh, Jesus." I smiled to myself. A minute later JESUS said to me: "Mary!!" Again I smiled to myself. Jesus and I were seeing the fun side of this incident.
that was a photo of elton john .. not billy joel the artist who performed Piano Man.. but great point about ballads
‘the physical is not what matters’ is such a deep sentence.
Final saying: I will personally help her and make her strong like you strong men and any woman that makes herself strong will enter the kingdom of heaven.
I thought scholarly epistemology and philosophic axioms were incompatible with any one of you (clergy) much less any remaining church group (think). The term "groupthink" BTW came from a scholar named Irving; I've used his work in undergraduate papers I've written about propaganda. It's old but a great little bit of social science history. "Groupthink" by Irving. You sir are my new hero. "Visions" of Jesus haunt me and yet I run with the physics department more than any other department since about 2015. Actually, I left grad school (artist is what I say I am) to chase a vision of Christ that recurs in our local Hindu Temple and elsewhere. I tell stories now that is all I do. I LOVE your work. You would know of Occam and that his 'razor' involved rethinking our questions rather than the urban myth that Occam said, "the simplest answer" is usually right. The real grace of Occam's Razor was in this, eliminate needless and intrusive variables when asking your questions. They were having to get permission to count beans so why ask permission, what does authority, for a simplistic example, have to do with basic observations. Experimental design is the place where Occam's Razor is truly powerful. There you may have an experiment or hypothesis where the inquiry is in line with the problem. Now, there are post atomic age observations to deal with. Try selling your epistemological razor to modern biology or quantum mechanical research Occam. Still the question is always more important than the answer, especially when the answers are self-evidently wrong. Occam took a razor to the system called The Church to let science be science and work as it should. He cut science out of theology. I just want to put it back. Christ somehow is real still alive and teaching to my irrational observations. The irrational may still be reasonable, or so I suggest. Conflicts of the church papers. Authority is the only god; you know it! Books! Just books and coins and swords that is all. The Buddha, Gotama must be running with Yeshua right now if there be any heaven or hidden life. The "word" has a poetic meaning too, a manner of speech that is unlikely, even impossible but it was said anyway. Like getting a fat man through the eye of a needle and the plop, there it was, a word that came in faster than light, it could never be fixed or written or codified.
If I were not so poor and out of it in general (starving artists still exist) I would travel from here (almost in Mexico) to see you in your church in the great white north. Big fan!!! I just found you this week as I am writing some historic fiction stories with these themes. Thank you I don't even have a spare dollar, so I can only give you this triple thumbs up! Thank you, Rev. Professor!
As an atheist, my favorite gospel. No wonder early Christian Church rejected it as heretical. Makes too much sense. Too much self reflection, too many questions. Contrary to Paul's gospel of obedient blind faith.
It is a work of Manichaeism.
Blind faith is redundant.
In the end , the atheist will also stand before God on judgement day.... and i hope you will be just as cocky as you are now! 😂
LOOK, more condescending wild assuming claims from cultist. 🤣🤣
I'm sure you coordinated the nag hamaddi text in Coptic with the 200 year earlier papyrus fragments found at the Oxyrhycus (sp) found in a burned down ancient Egyptian Library, written in the original Greek, the surviving parts of which match up very closely Coptic nag hamadi codices. This is bvious strong evidence of translators 2 century survivor.
I think Jesus, in his sayings about “I am”... “cut a piece of wood...l, etc, he is referring to that which we ALL are, because we are one and we will realize this when we realize and experience the kids from of heaven within us (a heavenly meditative state).
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Jesus Christ is the King of Glory! Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly.
The days are evil.
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (1 Peter 3:13)
Peace be to you,
I meet with Him and Him
often. I am from Him.
20th Adar 5777 I stood on
Earth amidst The Refiner's Fire
and The Fuller's Soap. There was a
Witness with me. This was Corporeal.
Elijah with Enoch
Thank you.
I don't see why saying 114 should be taken that literally (question in the end of the session) when pretty much all the other sayings are trying to cast of the shackles of literal understandings. There is probably more depth to that saying than we dare go into - at least until we cast of our clothes and dwell upon it as nursing babies and in correlation to the other sayings. Especially in correlation to saying 1, 2 and 3.
Imagine all the people believing that there’s no heaven and no hell. Imagine people living as one. John Lennon
It’s easy if you try. 💕🐝
But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(2 Peter 3:7 - 3:10 - 13) Peace be with you!
Great work.
I've really been enjoying these different lectures. It's great to see someone digging deep into the origins of these things. I even wonder if Michael Shermer would be interested in interviewing John just based on the scholarship and the fact there is such a rich history behind these things that rarely gets told.
Why would shermer interview him? Shermer is a pseudoskeptic atheist who hates religion and doesn't even believe in any spirit world. he's like richard dawkins.
@@happierabroad I think he's intellectually curious whether he believes in it or not. I mean, what John is talking about are the known facts around which these books emerged. I'm just saying I think it would be an interesting conversation, not necessarily a debate over the existence of God or miracles.
@@jetpromys But shermer is a pseudoskeptic and debunker. he doesn't ask questions like a truth seeker. all he does is debunk anything that contradicts materialism and atheism. he isn't a truth seeker, he's already made up his mind. anytime you see him on TV that's all he does, 100 percent of the time, he's a paid propagandist most likely and totally predictable.
@@happierabroad Actually, on one of his recent podcasts about a month ago, Shermer had a couple gentlemen on who were presenting arguments in favor of belief in God, and Shermer did not knock them down. At any rate, it was just an idea. John is so articulate and has such a warm personality, I think he would have a positive influence wherever he speaks.
I have always taken the last saying as referring to more esoteric meanings having to do with what we now call chakras.. meaning female referring to the lower feminine and male referring to the upper or 'crown' chakra.. But who knows for certain? Not I thank you lol.. I am eagerly looking forward to the upcoming talk on Q and the GOT.. Thank you for what you do.
"Trying to decide for themselves" ignores pentecost and the illumination of the Holy Trinity that was within their minds and hearts. It is as saying that Christ was deciding for Himself while he repeatedly said that He is not doing his own will but The Father's Will.
Thomas is saying basically what all the other writers are saying, Thomas 114. It has to be, all interpreted metaphorically to say, that all women are our equals. Thank you, for the very good lesson. Do we misinterpret scripturally, because we look more at the literal than it being symbolically?
It is interesting that the possibility (and I would argue almost certainty) that over years of teaching, Jesus himself spoke in slightly different versions of the same teaching, just like anyone else would. It seems to me almost impossible that He would have brought a teaching such as " the first will be last and the last will be first" and conveyed it many times in many different situations and used exactly the same words every time. This option of different accounts seems to not be considered at all, only that there was one single correct source and numerous corruptions. For me, this casts serious scholarly doubt on the entire analysis. Not to even mention that Q is regarding in the start as a hypothetical text, then subsequently referred to repeatedly as if it is foundational fact. I enjoy the discussion, but the analysis isn't well executed, in my opinion.
@Darren You're being repetitive...and redundant.
That’s a good point.
The gospels are written 50-100 years after Jesus died, though, so it’s more likely that the texts are copies of each other than different accounts of Jesus’ own words. Also, remember that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and the gospels are written in Greek. So, if 2 texts have the same word for word passages in Greek, they are likely inspired by each other.
Pagels has been writing best-sellers that the Gospel of John was written/edited to refute the much older Gospel of Thomas. Strong evidence it's true. The non-superstitious Doubting Thomas was proven wrong, so the non-superstitions Gospel of Thomas must be wrong too and so on. That means Thomas was around, and called "Thomas" when disciples that knew Thomas were still around to dispute it. A very different breed of cat than the Christian Gospels written decades later.
@Darren The Gospel of Thomas isn't second century, capital "G" Gnostic. It's the opposite. There are hundreds of very strong Thomas/Christian Gospel parallels. Since you were a "gnostic" you should have no problem pointing out a Thomas/2nd century capital "G" Gnostic parallel.
Just one, and I ***GUARANTEE*** you can't.
@@Neanderthal31416 I don't think the lecturer is saying what you attribute. There could be a typo in some slides. But when he speaks the word 'gnostic'.... You might hear it with a capital G. But usually I don't.
Maybe Gnosticism is different from what 'The Gnostics' believed
@@johnrhodes3350 The lecturer is a great guy and well informed. I like and respect him. But to infer, in any way, shape or form, that the Gospel of Thomas related to the Gnostics in the slightest, is pure nonsense. It's the near-exact opposite. Has he spelled out the difference between capital "G" Gnostics and the general notion of respecting knowledge, "gnostic"? Not that I've noticed, but I could be wrong.
“Pope Gregory I said that only a prophet could understand the prophets. And it is said that only a poet can understand a poet. Who, then, must we be in order to understand Yeshua?” - Jean-Yves Leloup
The arrogance behind Leloup's comment cracks me up! Well of course (the comment assumes), it couldn't have been Jesus' audience, those uneducated bumpkins in Galilee to whom Jesus preached, who could have actually understood anything of what he said. The implication here is that Jesus' words have been waiting for 2,000 years, and maybe longer, before the oh so clever among us might discover their true meaning.
Something is going wrong here. It makes me sigh. Neil Hundtoft
@@neilhundtoft4873 Ok
When Jesus turned water into wine, it was at his own wedding to Mary Magdalene. This is why his Mother Mary was so worried about running out.
Interesting. What part of the gospel of Dan brown is that from ?
I would also loke to know.... blasphemy. !
Is there a copy of the first edition of Gospel of Thomas that is available to the public? That has been unedited?
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Most essential talk.
" India knows that a Krishna can be an incarnation of God, although he lives in a palace with every luxury; Buddha can be an incarnation of God although he renounces his kingdom, luxuries, comforts; Mahavira can be an incarnation of God, although he discards even his clothes and lives naked.
India has seen so many ways of people like Jesus that it has come to one conclusion: leave the person alone. If you can learn something from him, good; otherwise there is no harm in paying him respect. Perhaps he is right; and if he is wrong, what are you losing? Giving respect, even to a wrong person, is not bad.
So in Kashmir Jesus was not troubled by anybody. He was not news there. In India such people are not news. Thomas, he sent to the south of India for a special reason. Northern India is very sophisticated, and all these great teachers, Buddha, Mahavira, Krishna, Patanjali, Gorakh, Kabir - it is an unending line - were all born and lived in northern India, for the simple reason that northern India is Aryan.
South India is non-Aryan, it has African blood. Once south India was just part of South Africa; South Africa has drifted away. Now it is a late discovery in geography that continents go on drifting, they are still drifting. The drift is very small, one foot in a year, so you cannot feel it. But continents are continuously drifting, they are not fixed: in thousands of years, of course, much change happens.
It was a great insight of Jesus to send Thomas to South India where it was possible to preach and spread Jesus’ word. In northern India nobody would have bothered about it. Northern India was so full of philosophical reasoning, argumentation; was so sophisticated that Thomas, a poor, uneducated man - who was going to listen to him?
But perhaps South India would be receptive; and it was. The whole state of Kerala is eighty percent Christian; and it is not a new phenomenon - it was Thomas’ work. Goa is completely Christian - Thomas’ body is still in Goa.
It reminds me to tell you of one thing: Thomas’ is the only body, outside Tibet, which is still the same as it was on the day the person died. It has not been preserved by any chemicals, or by any scientific methods. It is one of the rarest phenomena on the earth. Every year the body is brought out of the inner chambers of the church for the public to see.
And I have seen the body, and you can see: it is as if the man has just gone to sleep, and not even died. Yes, he is not breathing, but in two thousand years the body has not deteriorated. Scientists have tried to find out how it is preserved. There is nothing to find because it is not preserved by any preservatives; it is through a long training in yoga and certain breathing exercises that have the capacity to change the inner workings of biochemistry.
For thirty years Thomas practiced yoga. Thomas lived like a Hindu brahmin. If you see a picture of Thomas you will be surprised. What kind of Christian is this? - his head shaved like a Hindu brahmin monk, with a small piece of hair on the top of his head left uncut, the choti. He even wore a thread, yagyopavit, that is only worn by born brahmins. He used only a small piece of cloth just to cover the lower part of his body, the loincloth as it is called.
If you have seen Mahatma Gandhi’s picture you know the cloth that just covers him from his waist to his knees - that’s enough. And in the south they use it just as a wraparound; Thomas used just the wraparound lungi, only up to the knee. And he used the wooden sandals. He looked a perfect Hindu.
He became vegetarian when he was in India. He tried to learn as much yoga as possible and he really performed a miracle. He said, “After my death don’t bury my body and don’t make a grave for me. I have managed to change its inner workings.” It was predicted by Thomas - and that prediction may come true - that his body would remain preserved till the very end of the world. Two thousand years have passed and the body is preserved. Only last year, for the first time, was a little sign of deterioration detected. Perhaps the end of the world is close.
If the man was right about his body, saying not to destroy it, it is going to remain till the very end of the world - and according to many sources the end of the world is coming closer - his prediction may also be true.
Only last year, that was 1984, for the first time a little deterioration appeared. Perhaps by the end of this century the body may have deteriorated completely. Thomas’ prediction is: the day my body deteriorates completely, that is the end of this world."
Thank you John for this superb overview. A question: You say the NT names Simon Magus whom Irenaeus identifies as a "gnostic."I find Irenaeus identifying him as a Simonian, rather than a gnostic. Is there another reference? Also what identifies Hymenaeus and Philetus as gnostics? When exactly did the word gnostic come to take on its current meaning, ie as a particular kind of heterodoxy? I ask, noting that n late C2nd/early3rdCE Clement of Alexandria used the phrase "the true gnostic" to indicate a devout believer and seeker of truth. I agree that harmonization usually manifests as getting longer winded and more subtle - a phenomenon well-known to any writer. Whereas Thomas' sayings are punchier and cruder. Bart Ehrman's argument flies in the face of what harmonisation actually looks like. I think you bring that out really clearly. Thank you for sharing this. Health and Peace, Paul
Setting a widely-agreed upon definition of capital-G "Gnosticism" is one of the more heated debates within biblical scholarship nowadays and there is a vocal camp that would argue the term has no usefulness as an academic heuristic (see: Rethinking "Gnosticism" by Michael A. Williams for more on this idea).
A wisdom text is understood symbolically.
Making the female male must not be read literally. Otherwise, the reader misses the point.
The female gives birth to flesh, thus is associated with the physical realm, duality. To become male is to become as the father, to be in the likeness of the father, one with the father, the transcendent consciousness, as opposed to the consciousness of duality and opposites.
All wisdom writings are symbolic, and must be understood in the context of the culture from which they come.
Daoism speaks, for example, of the mother, Dao, instead of the father. It uses the term "female" as a symbol for humility, the emptiness. It states in poem 10, as the door of Heaven opens and closes, can you be the female? So, in Daoist culture, the term "female" has a virtuous significance.
Poem 28 of the Dao De Jing says, be aware of the male, but tend to the female. It is also translated as, know the male, but keep to the female. Dao De Jing 42 speaks of blending the male (yang) and the female (yin.)
That last saying about women is very profound, similar to Taoism or Kundalini, Tomas speaks of fusing the yin and yang. The Prana and Apana, or in this case the combination of women and men. I am going to read the book of Tomas now. Great video.
Jesus Christ is the only name by which a man's soul can be saved. Call upon the name of Lord Jesus. Believe and be saved.
@c marl it absolutely talks about kundalini and if you’ve had that experience you will know exactly the meaning of the riddles in this Gospel. He is the way and the truth and the life
@@paulgemme6056 unless the man or women is perfect. That's the other way. But what does perfect atually mean? Morally? Physically? Perfect in the deeds they do?
@@Guerillapreneur Jesus is flawless in his teachings. Man has skewed them. Before I became a Christian I trained many years in a type of internal kug fu. When I came to the realization the spirit realm is real, Jesus made all the more sense. Eventually I learned a kriya passed down by lahiri mahasaya. This taught me how to pray properly. Mathew 6:6. Unbelievers will never understand.
@c Marl, funny how you replied to a 10 month old comment so quickly:) I think many Christians do not understand the deeper meanings of the words of Christ as he spoke from a higher consciousness- which you cannot unravel with a 3D mind and ego. Unfortunately this is what most religions do - they do not understand different levels and consciousness. And they do not know about the spiritual nature of man. Making the woman a man and the man a woman speaks to the masculine and feminine principle in every being. It’s not about the 3D war of sexes. I know you know that- just writing this for anyone interested.
Jesus asks us to seek the Kingdom of heavens and that the kingdom of god is found inside of us - yet they refuse to look inside. Praying is talking - meditating is listening. „My people die of lack of knowledge“🙏✨
I would just like to make a point that even top biblical scholars are often not aware of as regards oral traditions. The scriptures of early Buddhism were transmitted orally for hundreds of years, their total length being many times that of the Bible, the English translation being 33 substantial books. This did not rely on being in rhyme or metre for transmission but there is a lot of repetition. The point is that a truly vast tradition can be transmitted orally, if there is a large group of settled monastics to recite it. As with any oral tradition of course it does not remain static, but the changes are likely to be more gradual than in the looser Chinese whispers situation envisaged for early Christianity.
Gnostics are the ones that remember the books they read, in the spirt body, then after remembering , wrote down what they had read, they brought all the book to our world, man did not create these writings ,
Gnostic were not in same body wen reading the books , they remember them.
That's why we have the book,
Sane as the blind man in the Apocrypha , at the end he never existed, no proof, but we are left with the memories.
The son was guided to a different land, and led to his wife , but no proof, but has the memories of his Journey with the man, that never existed.
All real ,and physical at the time, but in the end, only the memories are left. The knowledge is left, being vist ed by intelligent is only physical wen it is here, then all gone in the end, no proof.
What? Try editing this, please!
Long after the failed Crucifixion; *Act Thomae also shows that Jesus and Thomas also attended a Marriage Party in Taxila (now in Pakistan). Small statue of Thomas still exists in Taxila Museum. That marriage party was of daughter of Buddhist King (Raja) of Taxila whom Jesus converted. Act Thomae CLEARELY shows: Jesus was indeed in Taxila long after his failed Crucifixion. So Act Thomae confirms Quranic verse 4:157 which powerfully tells that Jesus did not die on the Cross*
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Act Thomae
Piano man is Billy Joel, yet you have a picture of Elton John? lol
True, Ha-ha. You’ve heard one piano man, you’ve heard ‘em all…. at least in a manner of speaking. It’s sort of like all them gospels. They’re as different as Billy Joel and Reggie Dwight. Each one with its own tenor and resonance.
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Here's the most amazing thing about Thomas, 100.0% of the sayings that are in Thomas, have zero explicit superstition from the viewpoint of science. Not that science sits in judgment, but what Gnostic editor would remove all the superstition? Here's a quick list of things considered superstition by science. You can finish the list, if it's superstition, without exception, it's not in there. Lots of incomprehensible stuff, but no superstition.
No Virgin Birth.
No Judgment Day.
No Satan-god.
No demon-gods.
No angel-gods.
No Son-god.
No raising the dead.
No walking on water.
No God you pray to, or has opinions like a human.
No multiplying foodstuffs.
No resurrection.
Etc. etc. It's all of it, every solitary shred of superstition is gone. It's the first document in all human history that can say that, and you didn't even notice.
As a scientist, who knows nothing about the Gospel of Thomas, and precious little about the gospels of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John the Antisemite, I was happy to read your list of supernatural elements that are _not_ present in the Gospel of Thomas. I’m much more sympathetic to a “gospel” that has its roots in the natural universe, and not in a world of fantasy. In defense of the speaker, however, I don’t believe this was the intent or goal of his presentation to elucidate these differences.
For me, the valuable takeaway is that the many christianities (which I formerly described under the umbrella term “Christianity”) are the product of human invention, and that the gospels, esp the Synoptic Gospels and MOST especially the anti-Semitic screed of John provide the historical evidence of their own secular origin.
This is good to know, as I used to presume a much more epiphanic or ethereal, if not divinely inspired origin to the “New Testament”, but it’s all apparently a hodgepodge of ideas, written by committee over hundreds of years…. and a not very well organized committee at that…. at least not until the Council of Nicaea, at which point it became slightly better organized…. But they still couldn’t patch together the hot mess that preceded it.
The very secular editing process that took place in Nicaea had already occurred organically, but in a much more haphazard manner in the centuries that preceded Nicaea. Why anyone believes this stuff is anything other than the work of human authors is an absolute jaw-dropper.
@@MendTheWorld Yeah, all of the superstition from the viewpoint of science is gone. I just don't understand how no one notices or cares. I have a science background too, and always loved some of the things Jesus said, but some made me cringe. How amazing none of the cringe stuff was in there. Blew me away. And all this talk of Gnostics editing it and so on, they were the most superstitious people on earth, no way they edited out all the superstition, it had to come from one very amazing person. You figure the more you know about a person in history, the more you see the warts and flaws, but the more I learn about the historical Jesus, the more I love him.
Not that science sits in judgment, it just predicts experiments. The Uncertainty of the Quantum Theory, the Unknowability of the Incompleteness Theorem/Halting Problem etc. it's just shadows on the wall of the cave. I've mapped the Gospel of Thomas onto Many Worlds Quantum Theory/Cyclic Universe and it's spooky how easy it is to do it. This being Heaven, this world will pass away, the end is the beginning, etc. Might be too long to post here, not sure.
I think Matthew has the Blood Libel against the Jews, but yeah, it's in all the Christian Gospels, they were the competition, and of course, you don't blame anything on the Romans or you get nailed to a stick. In Thomas, Jesus is Jewish, no hint he's anything else. Granted, not particularly observant on diet and some other things, but Judaism was much more diverse in the first century. The Didache is explicit about being Jewish, talking about gentiles, and Thomas is older.
Yeah, I think the world of John, I need to start a comment saying so. I just have strong opinions on Thomas, having put a lot of time in on it.
Can I ask about the issue where you discuss at about 15.29 the 3 versions of The Poor and the Kingdom. Is it not the case that a term, 'The Poor', was used as a reference to the sect of which Jesus was a member. In that context, it is they, the members of the sect, who inherit The Kingdom, as one might expect. In that context, I would hazard St Thomas is the earlier and accurate expression. In later times, we've come to associate 'The Poor' with those who are of limited wealth and position, because that is what it means to us in our social context.
I recall the copies of the King James version also having 'The Poor' printed as thus, not in lower case in my childhood. This would say, you can always give to the sect (because he was challenged that she should have given the money to the sect instead of wasting it profligately). but I won't always be here. Your comment please.
see also at 42.8
Really interesting speaker
Being in the light, comes from John the Baptist. Read the ancient Mandaean Ginza Rba. His entire thing was based on light, and the Place of Light. Read John 1, talking about John B. it's all about light.
Superb!
If the person who invented the idea of q were alive today there is no doubt in my mind that when Thomas was discovered, that person would say that this was probably the quotes gospel he was thinking about and perhaps there may be more
Saying Thomas 3 is Gnostic, is totally INSANE. It's the Second Commandment, and repeated constantly in the Old Testament. I will now post the Thomas 3 parallels in the Old Testament and a couple selected Jewish/Samaritan sources.
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
111 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 2 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
Deuteronomy 5:8-9
8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them
Exodus 20:4
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Baruch 3:29-30
Who has gone up to the heavens and taken her, or brought her down from the clouds? 30 Who has crossed the sea and found her, bearing her away rather than choice gold?
Job 28:12-14
12 "But where can wisdom be found? Where does understanding dwell? 13 Man does not comprehend its worth; it cannot be found in the land of the living. 14 The deep says, 'It is not in me'; the sea says, 'It is not with me.'
Moses Cordovero (16thC) , Elimah Rabbati Essential Kabbalah p. 24
“Before anything emanated there was only Ein Sof... Everything is within it; it is within everything and outside of everything. There is nothing but it.”
Marqah, Memar 6.3 (The greatest Samaritan writer, and he's talking about Jesus, and quoting him.)
Well of Living Water: 3 There is a Well of living water dug by a Prophet whose like has not arisen since Adam and the water which is in it is from the mouth of God. Let us eat from the fruit that is in this garden and let us drink from the waters that are in this well. There is no need for us to see it in a place we cannot get to. "It is not in heaven" and it is not in crossing the sea (Deut 30:12-13). "In the mouth and in the heart" it is done (Deut 30:14). And woe to us! For we do not do it; it is far from us. We do not learn it though we came down from heaven! It was given to us and we believed in it. It was with them; it was within the Light. And the glory was around, for it was the word of God. His hand wrote and the Prophet received it with signs from on high. And YHWH came down and dwelt with him
I support the argument that the authorship of the Gospel of Thomas predates Quelle and was the source for much of Quelle's text as well as that of Mark. It appears to me that your discussion of Sayings #65 and #66 (at 32:00 - 36:00 minutes) includes observations based on criteria which support my assertion. Original versions, we agree, tend to be the shortest, least elaborated and most generalized. As you point out, Mark was the source for Matthew and Luke. Yet Mark's version provides an extended narrative, drawing imagery from Isaiah about the vineyard and placing it all in a setting of rebuke to those failing to accept Jesus as Messiah. In Mark's version, the owner becomes angry and gives the vineyard to the care of others more deserving. We see Luke and Matthew pick up on Mark's theme of anger and extend it further to include the very destruction of those “miserable wretches”! But in Thomas, the text is direct, short and absolutely devoid of emotion. The beating of the servant is simply dismissed as a failure to communicate. There's no anger and no suggestion of retribution, which it appears is the later contribution of the synoptic authors drawing from Thomas. And so we go from Thomas, giving us an unemotional observation that the innocent will suffer, to Mark, for which the suffering of the innocent is the theme. Mark expands on Thomas by introducing sectarian anger and the eviction of the unworthy from the vineyard. This version then travels to the hyperbolic vitriol of Luke and Matthew who are out to destroy “those miserable wretches”. In a side-by-side comparison of texts, it appears unavoidable to conclude the chronology as I propose it. Is this not a sound line of reasoning?
This was a great lecture and such a refreshing addition to the tube's content. Please continue bringing us this good food! Thank you for all. Neil Hundtoft
It’s not sexist, it’s a reality
What I like about the Gnostic view is that we all can become Christs or beings of light..The Eastern Orthodox have the idea of Theosis or God realization which is similar to the beings of light of the gnostics..if we all can agree that at the base of the universe is energy and energy is in everything than the saying from Thomas regarding splitting wood makes sense..Regarding 114 it sounds sexist but it us not. Thomas is a wisdom gospel and should not be taken literally. Peter sees Marh as a woman and less than but Jesus see her as a being of light and therefore can attain the same spiritual connection
A "wonder worker"? What wonders and how exactly would he work them?
male in ancient teachings means inwardness female means outwardness originated from indian teachings in yoga meditation like under the fig tree means meditation.
Didymus Judas Thomas was Jesus' son. They found his body in the Talpiot tomb next to his father and mother (Mariamne). He wrote down his father's sayings.
A lie from the pit of hell. The devil (Satan) is a liar and the father of lies.
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
it's also the only gospel that is written first person!😇
His mother named him Emanuel" (God is with us.) The people belived He was Yesua, (Saviour). Jews titled Him Yeh, (God) and Greek people added Zuss the superior god, namely Jesus. He wouldn't have turned for any of those. The friends called him Rbbi, teacher.
It would have been a wonderful if we would have had videocameras at that time....
Volume just too low. Great topic.
The song is piano man by Billy Joel and the pic is elton john
I like this guy and his content, but I'm not sure about the Aramaic Hypothesis.
How did the Gospel of Thomas' sayings become numbered? Could someone please tell me how the Gospel of Thomas came to have its sayings numbered from 1 to 114? When you combine the numbers with the prologue “THESE are the hidden sayings...” the numbering becomes quite misleading. It leads one to think that Jesus sat down one day and dictated 114 sayings to Thomas in the order given in the Coptic document, which is clearly not the case. Sometimes, the saying is not even Jesus speaking, such as in Saying #74. Saying #47 could easily be split into several sayings, as the five saying-lets grouped there don't appear to relate to each other in any clear way. Saying #66 could well be included as part of Saying #65, as it provides a conclusion to the parable of the tenants. That is the way Mark 12 treats it. I would sure appreciate the help of that scholar out there who knows the answer to this. The clincher for me recognizing that the numbering isn't original to the document is that the numbering assigned to the Coptic copy from Nag Hammadi was used to assign parallel numbers to the Oxyrynchus papyrus fragments. No one knew how those fragments fit into the larger whole until the Nag Hammadi library was found. Thanks ahead to the gracious scholar who will take time to resolve this troubling puzzle for me. With gratitude, Neil Hundtoft
Divined by God....
Has 5 different versions....
Ok sure. I BELIEVE
The gnostics seemed to write through the lense of seeing in the spirit. Understanding the spiritual realm and explaining it. That last verse in Thomas wanted to trigger but if it's there it means something. All of creation has to find a balance of masculine and feminine energy.
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
@@paulgemme6056 Not sure your intent an all that information but thanks for adding to the comment. Yes exactly. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He offers more then salvation though. There is more to Him when you seek him. Maybe some day you will understand my post.
@@crysruiz4 Sorry, I miss understood your comment. Just trying to plant as many (gospel)seeds as I can. The days are evil. I know Christ Jesus offers a whole lot more than just saving one's soul from the pit of hell. God/Jesus Christ changed my life, attitude, heart a long time ago with the power of his love and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Come, Lord Jesus, come quickly. Peace be with you!
@@paulgemme6056 amen Yes His Love is so amazing and powerful. Glad you could use my comment to drop a seed. God bless!
Liars unknown to even self won't set you free
This presenter speaks of the potential that Thomas was composed later from oral traditions, but this ignores what is declared in the opening statement of the Gospel, and that is, "These are the secret sayings of the living Jesus (the Jesus before crucifixion), and I Didymus Judas Thomas wrote them down".
I have listen to you for a long time. Can you referral to book of Q, i think it's the book of thomas.
thank you for all your hard work
Saying 114 sounds like the alchemical wedding, making the male female and the female male..a parable about divine union.
Another expert claimed Thomas is not gnostic
It says I am the light that is over all things, not in. So maybe when it says split a piece of wood, lift a stone, it means the light cast from the sun. Just maybe.
26:44 Not sure what version of the Bible he is using. I had never heard Mark 10:31 with the words "and of the last many will be first". I started to say the scripture with him & when I heard him add the last words, uh, I looked it up because his verse has a totally different many.
Pulled out my Tyndale NLT, Thompson's Kirkbride KJ, Oxford NEB - "But many who (that) are first/the greatest now will (shall) be last/least important then(;) and the last/those who seem least important now will be first/the greatest then."
So...grain of salt needed
That nervous laugh at the end is not a man who has certainty in his heart, confidence in his ideas, or the comfort of wisdom. Orthodoxy or death.
I wouldn’t want anyone analyzing my psyche based on one of my laughs. 😂
It seems to me that there are elements of gnosticism alive and well in some modern Christian theology. It is certainly alive in Jungian psychology.
Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.