The Gnostic Jesus

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @centre-place
    @centre-place  Місяць тому +12

    We will address your questions in our upcoming podcast "Let There Be Answers!" Please leave your questions below 🤩 ua-cam.com/video/gxcOC8MuR58/v-deo.html

    • @ALavin-en1kr
      @ALavin-en1kr Місяць тому +2

      It is not so much a question as why Christianity, which was revolutionary then, and is at any time, had to be filtered by the Church. The Church likely had to do it as Christianity deals with consciousness; Christ Consciousness. Even today consciousness is referred to as ‘the hard problem’ by philosophers.
      What the Church had to convey had to be done symbolically in the ceremony of the Mass. The two things to be conveyed by Christ Consciousness were: Transubstantiation and Transfiguration. At any time, even at the cusp of a quantum age and with consciousness being ‘the hard problem’ these are difficult topics to convey, except symbolically.
      So it is symbolized in the Mass where ‘bread’ likely symbolizing the body and ‘wine’ likely symbolizing the blood are transformed and transfigured into ‘the body and blood of Christ’ which is likely both Transubstantiation and Transfiguration and deals with consciousness. Not consciousness itself, which if fundamental does not need transformation but human consciousness does.
      Christians see Christ as the one and only embodiment of Christ Consciousness; although in the East there are Avatars who have had, and have, a similar state of consciousness. There is plenty said about physical or elemental evolution and maybe a little about psychic evolution; but much less about the evolution of human consciousness; likely as what that means, or would mean, is not easy to comprehend; especially as consciousness itself is not comprehended; hence its designation as ‘the hard problem.’
      The implications of this, as we are still material-age bound; although we are now in an automatic age, having left the material age behind with splitting the atom, and are moving towards a quantum age at some future time. Will Christianity still be relevant then? If it has to do with consciousness it will be, as we cannot think of an age when consciousness will not be relevant. In its absence there may be something but it would have no meaning without consciousness. Little wonder it is ‘the hard problem’ for philosophers.

    • @JamesBarry-j7m
      @JamesBarry-j7m Місяць тому

      It's interesting because he is a composite of several different belief structures he has been molded into something.

    • @JamesBarry-j7m
      @JamesBarry-j7m Місяць тому

      ​@@ALavin-en1krit's very interesting how Christ is a composite of so many different belief structures and that Christianity then fine tuned his outline

    • @ALavin-en1kr
      @ALavin-en1kr Місяць тому

      @@JamesBarry-j7m True. Christ consciousness; Krishna consciousness. Consciousness is universal. As I mentioned before it is ‘the hard problem’ for atheistic philosophy.

    • @ALavin-en1kr
      @ALavin-en1kr Місяць тому

      @@JamesBarry-j7m Post next to what I am responding to.
      Christ consciousness or awareness of consciousness not just in the body and environment but in the whole universe and is not a composite. Cosmic Consciousness or Christ Consciousness is; it is not a composite of anything as nothing exists outside it.

  • @ThatAustrianPrince
    @ThatAustrianPrince Місяць тому +30

    I love John's style of delivery and abundance of knowledge. Many thanks to the Centre Place team for another great lecture!

    • @brotherjongrey9375
      @brotherjongrey9375 Місяць тому

      Lol, started reading this thinking you were referring to John the biblical author.

  • @garymensurati1631
    @garymensurati1631 Місяць тому +17

    Thank you John and Centre Place. As always, excellent content and delivery. Appreciate your time and efforts !

  • @fastballflakes5385
    @fastballflakes5385 Місяць тому +19

    Another wonderful Hamercopia of Knowledge tonight. Can't wait for the Q and A stream next week. See you then, Hamerheads!

    • @bard_of_dundee
      @bard_of_dundee Місяць тому +4

      I love these videos too! Proud Hamerhead here 🙋‍♂️

    • @hamnchee
      @hamnchee Місяць тому +4

      Hamerhead! Love it. Put it on some merch, I'll buy it!

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  Місяць тому +2

      @@hamnchee oh that's an idea

    • @bard_of_dundee
      @bard_of_dundee Місяць тому

      @@centre-place I'd buy it too!

  • @mariom6982
    @mariom6982 Місяць тому +59

    It's so much better without live audience which always use to interrupt the lecture instead of waiting till the end

    • @garymensurati1631
      @garymensurati1631 Місяць тому +4

      Agree 💯👍

    • @austinhertell5634
      @austinhertell5634 Місяць тому +1

      Yes

    • @hamnchee
      @hamnchee Місяць тому +3

      Seriously, Covid was the best thing to happen to this channel, as insensitive as that may be to say.

    • @mikecook8667
      @mikecook8667 Місяць тому

      I couldn’t agree more. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

    • @dantallman5345
      @dantallman5345 Місяць тому +2

      For sure better now. I liked hearing the questions, some of them were very good. However, sound level was too variable and taking questions mid lecture disrupted the flow.

  • @pebystroll
    @pebystroll Місяць тому +2

    Thank you so much for the community you've helped build. I haven't missed a video in months 🎉

  • @Flapperjaw
    @Flapperjaw Місяць тому +3

    Top shelf presentation....thank you

  • @paulastrange3343
    @paulastrange3343 Місяць тому +4

    Missed it live but always catch up eventually.

  • @bookiankhoo8786
    @bookiankhoo8786 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks

  • @Incredabad1337
    @Incredabad1337 Місяць тому +2

    Would love to see a lecture on Emanuel Swedenborg. As always this was excellent 👌

  • @Steve-u9k4p
    @Steve-u9k4p Місяць тому +2

    Superb as always. Thank you

  • @bgp001
    @bgp001 Місяць тому +4

    Would love to hear a lecture comparing and contrasting the Christian, Muslim and Gnostic versions of Jesus.

  • @NealBones
    @NealBones Місяць тому +1

    Fantastic stuff as always my friend 😁 cant wait for the new series with you and Leandro

  • @paperback10
    @paperback10 Місяць тому +6

    I look forward to Hamertime.

  • @austinhertell5634
    @austinhertell5634 Місяць тому +6

    Hamer the homie !

  • @Facerip
    @Facerip Місяць тому +1

    This content is like fine dining for me. Thanks!

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 Місяць тому +2

    Mulțumim!

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  Місяць тому

      Thanks for supporting our lectures

  • @joshuagrant3821
    @joshuagrant3821 Місяць тому +2

    In the questions you spoke about Joseph in the 'traditional' views and Mary being raised in the temple. From what source is that, if I wanted to read more? Thank you for the excellent lectures.

  • @justmoritz
    @justmoritz Місяць тому +1

    @centre-place, I wish you had a playlist or database that can be sorted by date of lecture and topic. It's hard to find on UA-cam and the website.

  • @RadioFreeHammerhal
    @RadioFreeHammerhal Місяць тому +5

    From what I have seen it appears that the Gnostic gospels primarily focus on cosmology and the knowledge of that being the source of salvation and don't seem to say much at all in terms of moral teachings. Is that an accurate interpretation, or is that just what gets talked about most because that's where the divergence is?

    • @ianharper3213
      @ianharper3213 Місяць тому

      Yes, you are correct. That's why they are not in the Bible.

  • @venusjordan7440
    @venusjordan7440 29 днів тому +1

    I would love to hear your thoughts on the Shroud of Turin given recent scientific findings.

    • @achristfollowingturnbullma8237
      @achristfollowingturnbullma8237 22 дні тому

      If you read scripture it tells us that Yeshua had a face cloth so the Turin doesn’t fit in with the Bible verse

  • @superneko99
    @superneko99 Місяць тому +2

    I don't care if it rains or freezes, long as I got the gnostic Jesus

  • @hamnchee
    @hamnchee Місяць тому +9

    Early Christians had a lot of hot sects.

    • @NealBones
      @NealBones Місяць тому

      😂👏

    • @DivoGo
      @DivoGo Місяць тому

      Let’s hear it for hot Christian sects!!!! Yeah baybee!🤣

  • @Kyleology
    @Kyleology 8 днів тому +1

    21:10

  • @kengemmer
    @kengemmer Місяць тому

    In the Gospel of John, Jesus identifies with the light of pure conscious saying “I am the light of the world”. In saying 77 of the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus says he is the light over all and he is the All. This nondual not dualistic as is often claimed about the so called “Gnostics”

  • @ramkitty
    @ramkitty Місяць тому +2

    Anger magic the aggression applies the affect

  • @konstantinNeo
    @konstantinNeo Місяць тому

    John your analisis is great and I like these videos a lot.
    However the complete lack of a "non dualistic" view, limits understanding severely.
    A proper non dualistic model will integrate a lot of what the gnostics describe.
    If there is a need I could provide you with the basic non dualistic model.

  • @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq
    @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq Місяць тому +1

    1. Those who wrote the gospels and who never had met Jesus, belittled his disciples, although he chose them. Why?
    2. They made up a story and the disciples knew the truth.
    3. Story: Bodily resurrection. Truth: Resurrection is a spiritual event (Luke: heaven is within you).

    • @masada2828
      @masada2828 Місяць тому

      ‘If the Christ be not risen, my faith is in vain & we are yet, in our sin’. Salvation revolves around a bodily resurrection.

    • @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq
      @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq Місяць тому

      @@masada2828 That is what they told you.

    • @juliusmanjengwa6465
      @juliusmanjengwa6465 Місяць тому +1

      Paul did not experience a bodily resurrection

    • @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq
      @meditativehypnosen-dr.ho-oq7zq Місяць тому

      @@juliusmanjengwa6465 Although he reduced the message of Jesus to bodily resurrection. However, he had never met Jesus.

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen9409 Місяць тому +8

    Helping the poor is what modern christians hate

    • @garymensurati1631
      @garymensurati1631 Місяць тому +3

      Sometimes seems that way unfortunately.

    • @hamnchee
      @hamnchee Місяць тому +2

      Very true. Many of them want to outsource their charity to government.

    • @paperback10
      @paperback10 Місяць тому +1

      Big government small church!

    • @dbarker7794
      @dbarker7794 Місяць тому

      O God help you. 😮​@@hamnchee

    • @noorzanayasmin7806
      @noorzanayasmin7806 Місяць тому +2

      Where did you get this source? From my experience, Christian are the one who seems to want to help the vulnurable the most. According to research, people who are religious or Christian tend to give more away in donation or what not to poor than atheist

  • @maxhung69
    @maxhung69 Місяць тому +7

    one of biggest ironies in western history is Paul's distortions of Jesus' teachings. without Paul, Jesus and his movement would have been a very minor sect of Judaism instead of the dominant religion of the western world

    • @Bluesruse
      @Bluesruse Місяць тому +1

      The irony is that we might have it backwards: Paul's teachings distorted into Jesus'.

  • @gsr4535
    @gsr4535 29 днів тому

    But as Bart Ehrman points out, if Jesus called himself "God" (in the flesh), why doesn't the earliest Gospel (Mark) mention this? How could Mark possibly not point this out? Suspicious.

  • @longcastle4863
    @longcastle4863 День тому

    The gnostics sound wonderfully full of themselves

  • @jefrolievertinitz7836
    @jefrolievertinitz7836 Місяць тому

    Jon I'm asking for behavior advice. I was invited to Amish church tomorrow.

  • @Philip-bk2dm
    @Philip-bk2dm 5 днів тому

    Perhaps Mark meant that Jesus was angry with the "demon" of leprosy, not the leper?

  • @Eric777-71
    @Eric777-71 Місяць тому

    The disciples didn't understand because God didn't want them to understand 🙏

    • @WayneBraack
      @WayneBraack Місяць тому

      Well that seems like a bad plan

    • @Eric777-71
      @Eric777-71 Місяць тому

      @@WayneBraackit happened the way it happened.

  • @garymensurati1631
    @garymensurati1631 Місяць тому +2

    When did the commercials start. 1st time in a year they appear for me.

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  Місяць тому +4

      Unfortunately UA-cam automatically adds tons of ad breaks as soon as the lecture ends. We go and remove most of them as soon as we can. We always leave 2 or 3 ad breaks per lecture because this is one of the main sources of income for the channel since we don't have a pay wall.

  • @kylemaher4811
    @kylemaher4811 Місяць тому

    I wouldn't want to be associated with Jesus either after he was arrested in a park with a naked boy (Mark 14:51,52). claiming not to be a pirate/human trafficker. And I think Pontius might have gotten it right, and when I revisit these stories with the perspective of Jesus being guilty person, who comes across as a highly educated in philosophy, with knowledge of medicine/drugs, seeing Jesus as a con man healer who manipulated the poor, the lost, the prostitutes and the sick with knowledge, secrecy, drugs and antidotes, the stories and miracles make more sense to me as plausible. So my question would be, is there any evidence that supports Pontius and his case? Super rough question I know but I can't help but wonder

  • @Joshua_Froschauer
    @Joshua_Froschauer Місяць тому

    Creating Christ is a very compelling book/documentary

  • @Kyleology
    @Kyleology 8 днів тому

    50:00

  • @elyknavillus777
    @elyknavillus777 Місяць тому +1

    Comment

  • @gabrielgarza2294
    @gabrielgarza2294 Місяць тому

    Burn a piece of toast; I am there

  • @jussikankinen9409
    @jussikankinen9409 Місяць тому

    Who those asian soldiers in picture

  • @Bluesruse
    @Bluesruse Місяць тому

    *Original.

  • @jefrolievertinitz7836
    @jefrolievertinitz7836 Місяць тому

    I'll look later. I'm serious

  • @Chad2baddd
    @Chad2baddd Місяць тому

    Christ is LORD

  • @najamulghanikhan
    @najamulghanikhan Місяць тому

    Anger in Christ's response was due to the misplaced healing request. God Almighty is the sole source of power and healing. Inspite of His teaching folks were approaching him for prayers request. This dependency on others than God Almighty what Christ was looking to break

    • @sparrowthesissy2186
      @sparrowthesissy2186 Місяць тому

      Are you talking about the story where Jesus doesn't want to heal a little girl because of his prejudices against Gentiles?

    • @denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598
      @denaisaacthiswasgreat.thum7598 Місяць тому

      No a leper.​@@sparrowthesissy2186

  • @konstantinNeo
    @konstantinNeo Місяць тому +1

    John, stop beating around the bush.
    Non dualistic Jesus is what you must explore.

  • @TheRataman1
    @TheRataman1 Місяць тому

    so wrong yeshua never was crucified read more

    • @kaudjar
      @kaudjar Місяць тому

      Can you use punctuation please? Defining your sentence depends on it.

  • @benokaston1440
    @benokaston1440 Місяць тому +1

    This river to the sea Palestine will be free professor is confused about life, truth and consequences.

    • @JohnAllenRoyce
      @JohnAllenRoyce Місяць тому

      No, disagree. Sounds like you're upside down though.

  • @EdwardPalmer-u9r
    @EdwardPalmer-u9r Місяць тому

    I love Gnostic Jesus because he is evil and sinister