So basically when he pulled back out of that timeline and let her moms death happen as it was supposed to happen it never disturbeds the other unfortunate order of events example Batman/ Bruce's hippy stays in retirement , supergirl remains in the Soviet prison captive and ultimately Zods invasion never happens on this Earth ?? Bravo clap 👏🏼 interesting
Bruce Hulk is saying that, no matter which direction you're time traveling, you will always be traveling to your future. so you cannot change what's already behind of you, only what's ahead of you.
It does suck because DC and the Flash were the first to do it on publication, but they’re the last to do it cinematically so casual viewers will assume they’re just copying Marvel.
@@thetruebatman4632 Worse is DC actually was the first to start their multiverse movie as this been in production since like 2014. What a shxt show Warner Bros is.
That‘s why I love time travel. There are so many concept and variation on how time travel can work. This video shows it very well. It reminds me of Steins;Gate, an anime which revolves about time travel.
Same bro, Different interations of how the multiuverse and time travel intersect with each other as no in real life has ever done it so everything we see on these movies/tv shows all are speculation and i gotta say, it's very fun watching and learning about.
One method of time travel revolves around each universe in a multiverse with its own set of infinite timelines. Changing the past creates an alternate timeline that branches off from your own personal timeline. Meaning, changing things in the past doesn't affect your future and vice versa as you and the timeline you're originally from would still exist. Marvel and other franchises that follows this method are prime examples. Another method is similar to the first one above, except that the multiverse is one entire timeline that can have alternate timelines with one multiverse each. The Dragon Ball multiverse is a prime example of this, and this concept is very rare. The third method is when you change the past of your personal timeline, you change your future that can literally alter your memories or have yourself erased from existence. The DC multiverse and its Dark counterpart are primarily known for this method due to Flashpoint, Reverse Flashpoint, etc.
@@Byronic19134 its Reverse flash every one knows it and Director confirmed it ( if there is a story for second flash movie they will look into it ) however its still a mystery in DCEU
I am not sure the Barry's fulcruming created the vastly different universes we saw, I think their actions were somehow causing the potential destruction of all universes everywhere... all at once. It wasn't until the death of Dark Flash that caused those other singular universes to spin back into their separate corners of the cosmic speed force pane (I am not sure what to call it).
The Terry Gilliam banger "12 Monkeys" also has some good "It had always happened" time travel. Bruce Wayne's decryption of the security cam footage reminded me a bit of the garbled answering-machine messages from that one.
If dark flash is created by Barry getting knocked into an earlier age and helping his younger self get his powers.. how did Barry get pushed into that timeline in the first place?
The thing is, Barry 1 traveled back in time and changed his past, which caused him to be stuck in a new reality. This means that Barry 2 isn't tied to Barry 1 in terms of cause and effect, in the sense that when Barry 2 died, Barry 1 wasn't erased from the timeline. However, the same thing should also apply to Future Barry 2. From Future Barry 2's POV, it is implied that he tried to save Supergirl again and again for an unknown period of time before going back in time in the Chronobowl to push past Barry 1 out to put him on his path. And when he realised that Barry 1 will always go back in time to let his mom die, Future Barry 2 traveled back in time within the Chronobowl to kill Barry 1. That pretty much shows that in Future Barry 2's original timeline, while Future Barry 2 was going back in time to try and save Supergirl, Original Barry 1 went further back in time to let his mom die and suceeded in changing the timeline to one where Future Barry 2 can no longer try and save Supergirl. As soon as Future Barry 2 traveled back to try and kill Barry 1, and also ended up stopping Barry 2 in his tracks, Future Barry 2 should have been stuck in a new reality because Barry 2 didn't go on to try and save Supergirl like Future Barry 2 did. That means his action has changed Barry 2's future, just like what Barry 1 did when he saved his mom, and so Future Barry 2 should not have been tied to Barry 2 in terms of cause and effect. So, aside from plot reasons, why was Future Barry 2 erased from the timeline when Barry 2 died?
Yes! I thought the same thing too. Dark Flash (old Barry 2) would never disappear, because if Barry 2 is a fulcrum, that indirectly made Dark Flash a fulcrum too. His past would not be affected. IF the time travel is causality, (they implied it is, when Dark Flash said he pushed Flash out of chronobowl to create himself) old Barry 2 would never existed because he will always died before he aged.
It was meant to happen, original Barry was always going to let his mom die again, and future Dark Flash was going to create himself by throwing original Barry out of the chronoball and was always going to die. It was supposed to happen that way. He was going to die, even though he never knew (because he died)
@@afiqazman6615It was supposed to be a time loop, where in the chronobowl, young Barry becomes the dark flash, and OG Barry travels back in time to untangle the timelines. It is dark flash that meddled inside the chronobowl to kill the flash. That wasn't meant to happen. Even if it was, then the young Barry wouldn't have tried to save Kara and Batman. In order to keep the loop intact, the Dark flash stayed inside the chronobowl, finding solutions to save Kara and Batman. So when The OG Barry comes into the timeline, he could push him again so that he could be created. He was never the fulcrum. He was the cause that affected the entire timeline because the effect of Dark flash in the past caused changes in the past and future of the new timeline Barry aka young Barry. The cause was he himself.
It is implied the Dark Flash spent years continually returning to the fight against Zod. If this were the case, why doesn't the battle there show thousands or millions of Barrys all at the same moment? Indeed, the first time they get there, it should already have millions of Dark Flash trying things to try to win.
Moving the tomatoes to the top shelf DID break the universe. Just not as badly as saving his mom. Batman was not the same person, this is because Barry moved the tomatoes. The changes aren’t as great, because the affect, happens in Barry’s present.
Exactly. If the tomatoes were put back and all the past events played out as they originally did, Barry would be in the universe with Ben's Batman. Since he did make a change, it created the changes that went back AND forward through time. Which is why we get the George Clooney Bruce Wayne and not the Ben Affleck version.
Yep, I interpreted it as Keaton, Affleck, and Clooney were all literally the exact same person. The intersecting point on the 2 strands of spaghetti. It helped me swallow the ending a little better knowing Keaton's Batman became the Clooney character
Thanks! I still don't quite understand travel, but I'm so much closer. Closer than I've ever been. I think I could get it if I watched this a few more times. I have no plans to watch the Flash movie, but so many movies use time travel (Including one of my faves--Groundhog Day--that this is useful even without watching the Flash. Thanks!
You missed one very very important Easter egg. Kind of gives the movie away tbh. When Barry goes back in time and grabs the green can tomatoes, the price tag is $1.37 which is in reference to the flash issue 137 in which the movie is almost 1-1 the same.
What I don't understand is when Barry creates a new universe by messing with time, shouldn't there already be a Flash in the new universe he created? The universe Barry started the movie in is not the same universe Barry ended the movie in (Affleck-verse and the Clooney-verse). So shouldn't the Clooney universe already have a Flash of its own? And if Barry finished the movie in the Clooney universe, what happened to the Affleck universe's Barry? Is there a missing Barry Allen in the Affleck universe??
Here's my theory. Not sure if it's described better in a different way: 0. Everything is happenning at once. 1. When you divert from your original timeline, that timeline continues without you and a new divergent branch is created, which you stay on, unless you time travel and deviate again. 2. You never enter another timeline, but you do intersect with another one, at a "fulcrum point." The only difference is that it's not really a fulcrum point; rather, it's an intersection, a new branch for a different timeline. You only create a new devient branch in that timeline and the original timeline that you intersected with continues along its original path, unchanged by your intersection. With spaghetti, it would look like when Keaton Bruce Wayne shows the two diverging spaghettis, except the divergent spaghetti stops and reappears as a second divergent spaghetti at the time travel egress point (past or future). The time traveler is always on his own timeline. While his original timeline continues without him, his new timeline resumes at a shared nexus point from another chosen timeline. The chosen timeline is unaffected; however, a new divergent branch is formed from that chosen timeline. Time travel, in this sense, creates a bridge from one highway through another highway, to a destination that has yet to be determined.
acording to the science of time travel, in back to the future part 1, when marty convinved his dad to be better, it did not just effect his parents life, but also marty's life making them better and when marty returned back to 1985, he was in an alturnative future that never really happened before. so that can explain that time travel is really just the multiverse all along.
A possible solution is that no one ever really travels through time, but instead travels to alternate universes where things are just a little (or a lot) different. You might think this looks like your universe in your past, but it is just another universe that looks like your past. All universes are moving at the same speed of time, but some exist as if they were the "past" of another universe. This solves all sorts of problems. You can even "change" your "past" by moving to a universe that seems like your past, "changing" something, then moving to a third universe that is like your original if the thing had been "changed".
Buddy, that explanation of yours is no different from the Many-Worlds Interpretation, don't you agree? It literally doesn't matter if you call it time-travel or inter-universal travel. The important thing is both your explanation and the Many-Worlds Interpretation helps to prevent paradoxes that results from actions taken in the past. That's all these possible solutions are worth. And since they cannot be proven, of course no one can argue that they aren't possible solutions.
Yea this is basically what Endgame did. And that movie name drops David Deutsch, and this is exactly how he explains it in Fabric of Reality. It’s why Hulk says you can’t change your past, because you aren’t really in your past. You’re just screwing other universes and returning to yours.
@@davesummers1369 Well, originally, the Many-Worlds Interpretation was never supposed to be used in fiction. It really was just a theory to solve the Grandfather's Paradox. As long as we can't observe any of those other-worlds, there's no way it can be proven anyway. Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to apply the rules from one story to a different story, like trying to make one single time-travel theory to explain how the multiverse in both Marvel and DC's universes work. Focusing on just Marvel and DC's stories for now, the biggest difference between Marvel's version of multiverse and DC's version is really simple. Originally, DC dabbled in this kind of stories because they encountered an issue where their writers were continuously ignoring story continuity, so the editors came up with a way to reboot the entire universe instead. In other words, the characters' actions wipe out and rewrote the entire continuity. This eventually became a method for them to "refresh" their characters every so often. Flashpoint, which is what this movie was based on, was just one of those universe-rebooting events. Marvel's version is just a simple story-telling technique that seeks to tell stories of their existing characters using alternate settings while still preserving their main continuity. For example, even when Professor X's son went back in time and accidentally killed him, which changed the entire timeline, in the Age of Apocalypse event, it was explained that what readers were reading was an alternate reality. The original 616 universe still remained the same, but because of the disturbance in time and space, the M'kraan Crystal was threatening to destroy the entire universe unless the characters can stop Professor X's son from killing him and change the timeline back to what it used to be. So, even when Marvel was telling time-travel stories that used cause and effect as a plot point and raised the stakes proportionally, it still obeyed the rules and continuity that the past writers have set for themselves. What I'm trying to say is each company plays by their own rules. I can see that you're trying to make a one-size-fits-all multiverse/time travel story theory that seeks to make all of these stories makes sense, but I think you're going to find yourself dealing with tons of contradictions. For example, can your solution explain why Future Barry 2 was erased from the timeline when Barry 2 substained a fatal injury if Future Barry 2 is supposed to be an alternate Barry 2? I mean, according to your solution, Future Barry 2 should have been meeting Barry 1-A and Barry 2-A instead when he traveled back in time. Or are you going to say that there's only 1 Chornobowl in the multiverse? Because if that's the case, we should be seeing multiple versions of Future Barry 2 in there since there were so many worlds where Supergirl died, with their own respective Barry 2 trying to save her. Edit: Sorry, thought you were the other guy replying to me.
@@FinalStigma for us fans of CW flash the Chornobowl is Speedforce and its one future Barry 2 is not from the future his just spent his all life in the Chornobowl trying to save supergirl and Batman
@ScreenCrush The only thing I'm confused about is that when Barry moved the tomatoe can, he created another multiverse where his dad is innocent and there is a new Batman, however, where is the new Barry in this new multiverse?
Wait .he said Nora Allen's death is a fixed point. But we saw a timeline where Nora didn't die and Barry lived a great happy life with both of his parents.
Most excellent video I really appreciate the explanation. It made sense tidy together. Answer a lot of questions. Great great video. Thumbs up all the way. Also thank you for keeping all of the promotional and pitches to a minimum. That was great. Thanks Ryan you’re the best.
In truth when I saw dark flash and when he punched Barry out of the speed force in my mind I said is that There version of Savitar mixed with black flash .
Barry's time travel not only changed Batfkeck to Clooney, but it also changed Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney. This finally locks in that the Batman '89 universe is the same universe as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
@@davesummers1369 no. The Clooney he meets at the end of this movie is NOT the Clooney from Batman and Robin. His actions in this movie changed Affleck to Clooney. They ALSO changed Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney, causing us to be able to see them play the same Bruce Wayne in the same universe. This is not this confusing.
@9:45 INCORRECT MY GOOD SIR!!!!! Barry Allen replacing the Tomato can would have created a MASSIVE PARADOX. Let me explain Remember the sticky note that Bruce left him was different. Instead of an apology, the note informed him to be in court because the CCTV footage Bruce saw was different. Also the phone conversation that he had with his dad the night before he time travelled would never have happened. Both the note Bruce left him and the phone call he had with his dad, both happened before Barry time travelled and both incidents would not have happened if the tomato can was on the top shelf. Hell Barry might not have been as depressed enough to go back in time to change events with such good news from Bruce. I mean Barry would've just achieved his dream. His only reason for going into forensics was exonerating his dad. And now his dream came true.
You forgot that the constant event is that the CCTV recording was messed up. It need to be cleaned first before everyone can see whether Barry's dad looked up or not. So no massive paradox occurs.
@@afiqazman6615 right but the footage was cleaned before he went back in time. Bruce was not able to see Barry's dad in the video, which led to Barry calling his dad and apologizing to him, which led to Barry's dad telling him to move on with his life, which led Barry to feel like a failure and want to go back in time and fix things. None of these events would've happened if on cleaning the footage, Bruce saw Barry's dad's face. And the key point is the footage was cleaned before Barry time travelled.
I think if time travel is even possible, there would be time police like the TVA. There would have to be because someone somewhere invented time travel. I’m waiting for a scene that shows someone showing up to Tony’s house almost immediately after discovering time travel. Kang perhaps because that was part of his sacred timeline
Great explaination of time travel theories. If you take a close look at your real lives you will see that there are crossroad moments that affect your entire future. That's why you should never have regrets if there is any one thing in your life you wouldn't change. Barry tried to change the one thing he regretted most but forgot all the things he would put in jeopardy. As Doctor Who would say, it's all just a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
If berry put back that can of bean back on the shelve after his dad looked up the time line would have remained the same… By putting the cans up . the store will have to relocate it back to the shelve, what if the person restocking fell or some bad happened. That alone changed the time line
Didn’t Barry call his dad in prison telling him that the new software that improves the CCTV recordings doesn’t prove his innocence since he didn’t look up, hence the Flash at the in the market switching up the rows of tomato 🍅 cans to the, making sure his actually looks up facing the camera and finally dismissing the modern charges of his wife? I’m just saying that he did indeed change part of the future after it was written, the first viewing of the recordings. Btw, I thought it was great how seamlessly the switch the actors of Barry’s father from the Justice League lol
@ScreenCrush I think when Barry placed the can higher, he created another timeline. That's why George Clooney Brice Wayne showed up instead of Ben Affleck Bruce.
I’m wondering will the DCEU still carry on even if we don’t see it anymore and would the DCEU not have the flash anymore since he traveled to a different universe.
You're missing an entire plane of existence, Ryan. Simply put a color gradient below the pasta strands and show how when moving the pendulum the underneath color gradients change which would be the details of that Universe while the pasta strand is the timeline of it.
No movie has time travel right, though. Because we're moving so fast through space, if you skip back or forward in time even a minute, you would just be in space. It's all in a book called "We Are Alone: A Novel".
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So basically when he pulled back out of that timeline and let her moms death happen as it was supposed to happen it never disturbeds the other unfortunate order of events example Batman/ Bruce's hippy stays in retirement , supergirl remains in the Soviet prison captive and ultimately Zods invasion never happens on this Earth ?? Bravo clap 👏🏼 interesting
Bruce Hulk is saying that, no matter which direction you're time traveling, you will always be traveling to your future. so you cannot change what's already behind of you, only what's ahead of you.
I don’t think so, that’s literally Banner’s explanation in endgame
Barry changed the main stars in back to the future. Barry wasn't even born back then.
@@user-gh5sd2nm5y yeah, bruce banner
@@calltyshonhe created a new timeline with a different past. He didn't change his own past
Avengers endgame shows that they fool us..bringing back dead people from the past to the future and nothing get mess up
I love it, a media UA-camr explains time travel with surface tension, perfectly.
I saw this movie last night with my dad and I thought "2023 is like the year of Multiverse movies"
It does suck because DC and the Flash were the first to do it on publication, but they’re the last to do it cinematically so casual viewers will assume they’re just copying Marvel.
You and everybody else
@@thetruebatman4632 and marvel copied and stole so much from DC since the dawn of time
@@juniorjr9011 but not spiderman and namor.
@@thetruebatman4632 Worse is DC actually was the first to start their multiverse movie as this been in production since like 2014. What a shxt show Warner Bros is.
That‘s why I love time travel. There are so many concept and variation on how time travel can work.
This video shows it very well.
It reminds me of Steins;Gate, an anime which revolves about time travel.
Same bro, Different interations of how the multiuverse and time travel intersect with each other as no in real life has ever done it so everything we see on these movies/tv shows all are speculation and i gotta say, it's very fun watching and learning about.
From one teacher to another- bravo! Great use of models. Love that you used real objects, not animation. Clearest explanation of time travel ever!
You not a teacher… I’ll teach you a lesson boy..
i got mad at the long cologne plug and gave a thumbs down then got so grateful for the explanation that I switched to a thumbs up. you got me.
I love the way y'all explain these different Time Travel methods. Made my scientific side chuckle quite a bit
You know I'm somewhat of a scientist myself and just want to know who killed Barry's mom.
One method of time travel revolves around each universe in a multiverse with its own set of infinite timelines. Changing the past creates an alternate timeline that branches off from your own personal timeline. Meaning, changing things in the past doesn't affect your future and vice versa as you and the timeline you're originally from would still exist. Marvel and other franchises that follows this method are prime examples.
Another method is similar to the first one above, except that the multiverse is one entire timeline that can have alternate timelines with one multiverse each. The Dragon Ball multiverse is a prime example of this, and this concept is very rare.
The third method is when you change the past of your personal timeline, you change your future that can literally alter your memories or have yourself erased from existence. The DC multiverse and its Dark counterpart are primarily known for this method due to Flashpoint, Reverse Flashpoint, etc.
@@Byronic19134 its Reverse flash every one knows it and Director confirmed it ( if there is a story for second flash movie they will look into it ) however its still a mystery in DCEU
I LOVED how all the other movies try the scientific serious approach, and this subvert expectations with noodles haha and made sense. Brilliant !
Great explanation. It's easy to understand and the references to different time travel movies are awesome. This turned me into a subscriber.
Shoulda been subscribed to screecrush🙃his vids are always good and neatly explained. New Rockstars As Well
I am not sure the Barry's fulcruming created the vastly different universes we saw, I think their actions were somehow causing the potential destruction of all universes everywhere... all at once. It wasn't until the death of Dark Flash that caused those other singular universes to spin back into their separate corners of the cosmic speed force pane (I am not sure what to call it).
The Terry Gilliam banger "12 Monkeys" also has some good "It had always happened" time travel. Bruce Wayne's decryption of the security cam footage reminded me a bit of the garbled answering-machine messages from that one.
Great explanation on time paradox Ryan your scientist genius keep up the amazing work 👍🏽
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I see what you did there! 😆 (you thought he was gone forever like dogs think when we leave) 👊🏾🍻
If dark flash is created by Barry getting knocked into an earlier age and helping his younger self get his powers.. how did Barry get pushed into that timeline in the first place?
Because wouldn’t dark flash not exist yet
@@matthewwood1729 and also if Dark Flash was created because of causality time travel, he wouldn't get old since Barry 2 died early in the chronobowl.
Wow! This is episode belongs on a DC bluray as an extra. Bravo
Great job ScreenCrush on trying to make sense of the multiple time travel aspects of the movie.
The thing is, Barry 1 traveled back in time and changed his past, which caused him to be stuck in a new reality. This means that Barry 2 isn't tied to Barry 1 in terms of cause and effect, in the sense that when Barry 2 died, Barry 1 wasn't erased from the timeline.
However, the same thing should also apply to Future Barry 2. From Future Barry 2's POV, it is implied that he tried to save Supergirl again and again for an unknown period of time before going back in time in the Chronobowl to push past Barry 1 out to put him on his path. And when he realised that Barry 1 will always go back in time to let his mom die, Future Barry 2 traveled back in time within the Chronobowl to kill Barry 1. That pretty much shows that in Future Barry 2's original timeline, while Future Barry 2 was going back in time to try and save Supergirl, Original Barry 1 went further back in time to let his mom die and suceeded in changing the timeline to one where Future Barry 2 can no longer try and save Supergirl.
As soon as Future Barry 2 traveled back to try and kill Barry 1, and also ended up stopping Barry 2 in his tracks, Future Barry 2 should have been stuck in a new reality because Barry 2 didn't go on to try and save Supergirl like Future Barry 2 did. That means his action has changed Barry 2's future, just like what Barry 1 did when he saved his mom, and so Future Barry 2 should not have been tied to Barry 2 in terms of cause and effect. So, aside from plot reasons, why was Future Barry 2 erased from the timeline when Barry 2 died?
Yes! I thought the same thing too. Dark Flash (old Barry 2) would never disappear, because if Barry 2 is a fulcrum, that indirectly made Dark Flash a fulcrum too. His past would not be affected. IF the time travel is causality, (they implied it is, when Dark Flash said he pushed Flash out of chronobowl to create himself) old Barry 2 would never existed because he will always died before he aged.
The only thing that’s throwing you off to make u think like this is the fact that your still perceiving time as linear
It was meant to happen, original Barry was always going to let his mom die again, and future Dark Flash was going to create himself by throwing original Barry out of the chronoball and was always going to die. It was supposed to happen that way. He was going to die, even though he never knew (because he died)
@@TheActualAldo old Barry (Dark Flash) would never existed if he was always meant to die before he aged.
@@afiqazman6615It was supposed to be a time loop, where in the chronobowl, young Barry becomes the dark flash, and OG Barry travels back in time to untangle the timelines. It is dark flash that meddled inside the chronobowl to kill the flash. That wasn't meant to happen. Even if it was, then the young Barry wouldn't have tried to save Kara and Batman. In order to keep the loop intact, the Dark flash stayed inside the chronobowl, finding solutions to save Kara and Batman. So when The OG Barry comes into the timeline, he could push him again so that he could be created. He was never the fulcrum. He was the cause that affected the entire timeline because the effect of Dark flash in the past caused changes in the past and future of the new timeline Barry aka young Barry. The cause was he himself.
THANKS for this!!!! Really appreciate the extra work!!!!
9:52 well ripple effect did happen. Clooney.
Any questions?
not yet. still watching right now sir
Why was the main earth bruce old?
Are there DVDs in those cases Or are they behind the counter?
@@assassingaming5243 good question.
Like how when he changes the timeline in 2002 or whatever this before Change?
It is implied the Dark Flash spent years continually returning to the fight against Zod. If this were the case, why doesn't the battle there show thousands or millions of Barrys all at the same moment? Indeed, the first time they get there, it should already have millions of Dark Flash trying things to try to win.
I kind of like how dc and marvel's multiverse and time travels work differently
I'm asking the same question coz in marvel endgame is wase..that berry the flash
Thank god for these channels. No chance I’d spend money on this. Nice to see a at happens
Great explanation of the various types of known time travel paradoxes!!!
This was a great breakdown of time travel. I can tell a lot of work went into this.
"Meg The Stallion" 😂 that got me
Moving the tomatoes to the top shelf DID break the universe. Just not as badly as saving his mom. Batman was not the same person, this is because Barry moved the tomatoes.
The changes aren’t as great, because the affect, happens in Barry’s present.
WELL THE MAIN BARRY IS STUCK FOREVER BETWEEN VERSES HE CANNOT GO BACK TO A STRAND OF SPAGHETTI WITHOUT CAUSING ANYTHING NOW
Effects*
@@KyoMobius It’s an affect, not effects.
Exactly.
If the tomatoes were put back and all the past events played out as they originally did, Barry would be in the universe with Ben's Batman.
Since he did make a change, it created the changes that went back AND forward through time. Which is why we get the George Clooney Bruce Wayne and not the Ben Affleck version.
Yep, I interpreted it as Keaton, Affleck, and Clooney were all literally the exact same person. The intersecting point on the 2 strands of spaghetti. It helped me swallow the ending a little better knowing Keaton's Batman became the Clooney character
I am a time traveler. But I can only time travel into the future, and only one second at a time
Whether you liked the flash or not, one thing i think we can all agree on is Supergirl is FINE AS HELL. My god she looked good in that suit
She’s tight
Thanks! I still don't quite understand travel, but I'm so much closer. Closer than I've ever been. I think I could get it if I watched this a few more times. I have no plans to watch the Flash movie, but so many movies use time travel (Including one of my faves--Groundhog Day--that this is useful even without watching the Flash. Thanks!
You missed one very very important Easter egg. Kind of gives the movie away tbh. When Barry goes back in time and grabs the green can tomatoes, the price tag is $1.37 which is in reference to the flash issue 137 in which the movie is almost 1-1 the same.
Ryan you killed this episode! Great job of explaining time travel
Geee Thanks, NOW MY HEAD HURTS! LOL seriously dude good job explaining all this stuff.
Phenomenal explanation. This will be my reference for everyone after they see the movie from now on
This was a great science project A+
Doctor Who: time is a big ball of Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey...stuff.
Ahh yes spaghetti MULTIVERSE…loved the writing in this movie
What I don't understand is when Barry creates a new universe by messing with time, shouldn't there already be a Flash in the new universe he created? The universe Barry started the movie in is not the same universe Barry ended the movie in (Affleck-verse and the Clooney-verse). So shouldn't the Clooney universe already have a Flash of its own? And if Barry finished the movie in the Clooney universe, what happened to the Affleck universe's Barry? Is there a missing Barry Allen in the Affleck universe??
Yeah, scratching my head there haha
I hope someone will explain also this...
Yes, if you imagine Batfleck universe still exist, they would be missing their speedster.
I agree. There are so many plot holes in this movie.
I think we needed about 5 more minutes of movie . Did Alfred become Sir Michael Caine ? Did Wonder Woman become Lynda Carter ?
Here's my theory. Not sure if it's described better in a different way:
0. Everything is happenning at once.
1. When you divert from your original timeline, that timeline continues without you and a new divergent branch is created, which you stay on, unless you time travel and deviate again.
2. You never enter another timeline, but you do intersect with another one, at a "fulcrum point." The only difference is that it's not really a fulcrum point; rather, it's an intersection, a new branch for a different timeline. You only create a new devient branch in that timeline and the original timeline that you intersected with continues along its original path, unchanged by your intersection.
With spaghetti, it would look like when Keaton Bruce Wayne shows the two diverging spaghettis, except the divergent spaghetti stops and reappears as a second divergent spaghetti at the time travel egress point (past or future). The time traveler is always on his own timeline. While his original timeline continues without him, his new timeline resumes at a shared nexus point from another chosen timeline. The chosen timeline is unaffected; however, a new divergent branch is formed from that chosen timeline. Time travel, in this sense, creates a bridge from one highway through another highway, to a destination that has yet to be determined.
Flash running faster than logic 😫🤣🤣
Logic not catching he 😂😭
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"THE DISH SOAP THEORY", I like it !!
Been waiting for you to make a video on Flash. Loved it.
It make sense Barry become the flash is a fixed point.
Nice run down of time travel. there is another cool version of time travel used in the sci-fi show "Farscape"
acording to the science of time travel, in back to the future part 1, when marty convinved his dad to be better, it did not just effect his parents life, but also marty's life making them better and when marty returned back to 1985, he was in an alturnative future that never really happened before. so that can explain that time travel is really just the multiverse all along.
A possible solution is that no one ever really travels through time, but instead travels to alternate universes where things are just a little (or a lot) different. You might think this looks like your universe in your past, but it is just another universe that looks like your past. All universes are moving at the same speed of time, but some exist as if they were the "past" of another universe. This solves all sorts of problems. You can even "change" your "past" by moving to a universe that seems like your past, "changing" something, then moving to a third universe that is like your original if the thing had been "changed".
So called absolute moments or fulcrum points are just events where it is difficult to find a universe with that detail being different.
Buddy, that explanation of yours is no different from the Many-Worlds Interpretation, don't you agree? It literally doesn't matter if you call it time-travel or inter-universal travel. The important thing is both your explanation and the Many-Worlds Interpretation helps to prevent paradoxes that results from actions taken in the past. That's all these possible solutions are worth. And since they cannot be proven, of course no one can argue that they aren't possible solutions.
Yea this is basically what Endgame did. And that movie name drops David Deutsch, and this is exactly how he explains it in Fabric of Reality. It’s why Hulk says you can’t change your past, because you aren’t really in your past. You’re just screwing other universes and returning to yours.
@@davesummers1369 Well, originally, the Many-Worlds Interpretation was never supposed to be used in fiction. It really was just a theory to solve the Grandfather's Paradox. As long as we can't observe any of those other-worlds, there's no way it can be proven anyway. Also, I really don't think it's a good idea to apply the rules from one story to a different story, like trying to make one single time-travel theory to explain how the multiverse in both Marvel and DC's universes work.
Focusing on just Marvel and DC's stories for now, the biggest difference between Marvel's version of multiverse and DC's version is really simple. Originally, DC dabbled in this kind of stories because they encountered an issue where their writers were continuously ignoring story continuity, so the editors came up with a way to reboot the entire universe instead. In other words, the characters' actions wipe out and rewrote the entire continuity. This eventually became a method for them to "refresh" their characters every so often. Flashpoint, which is what this movie was based on, was just one of those universe-rebooting events.
Marvel's version is just a simple story-telling technique that seeks to tell stories of their existing characters using alternate settings while still preserving their main continuity. For example, even when Professor X's son went back in time and accidentally killed him, which changed the entire timeline, in the Age of Apocalypse event, it was explained that what readers were reading was an alternate reality. The original 616 universe still remained the same, but because of the disturbance in time and space, the M'kraan Crystal was threatening to destroy the entire universe unless the characters can stop Professor X's son from killing him and change the timeline back to what it used to be. So, even when Marvel was telling time-travel stories that used cause and effect as a plot point and raised the stakes proportionally, it still obeyed the rules and continuity that the past writers have set for themselves.
What I'm trying to say is each company plays by their own rules. I can see that you're trying to make a one-size-fits-all multiverse/time travel story theory that seeks to make all of these stories makes sense, but I think you're going to find yourself dealing with tons of contradictions. For example, can your solution explain why Future Barry 2 was erased from the timeline when Barry 2 substained a fatal injury if Future Barry 2 is supposed to be an alternate Barry 2? I mean, according to your solution, Future Barry 2 should have been meeting Barry 1-A and Barry 2-A instead when he traveled back in time. Or are you going to say that there's only 1 Chornobowl in the multiverse? Because if that's the case, we should be seeing multiple versions of Future Barry 2 in there since there were so many worlds where Supergirl died, with their own respective Barry 2 trying to save her.
Edit: Sorry, thought you were the other guy replying to me.
@@FinalStigma for us fans of CW flash the Chornobowl is Speedforce and its one future Barry 2 is not from the future his just spent his all life in the Chornobowl trying to save supergirl and Batman
@ScreenCrush The only thing I'm confused about is that when Barry moved the tomatoe can, he created another multiverse where his dad is innocent and there is a new Batman, however, where is the new Barry in this new multiverse?
It not mathsing
Hands down your best video ever, thanks man.
Great video
Wait .he said Nora Allen's death is a fixed point. But we saw a timeline where Nora didn't die and Barry lived a great happy life with both of his parents.
However that world ENDS with no meta humans to protect them from General Zod.
Haven't seen the movie yet but thanks for explaining another way the time travel works in sci-fi
🤯😵😵💫🤯 omfg this is a amazing video
Excellent video Ryan! 👍
Great Explanation Screen Crush
This was really well explained. Thanks!
Most excellent video I really appreciate the explanation. It made sense tidy together. Answer a lot of questions. Great great video. Thumbs up all the way. Also thank you for keeping all of the promotional and pitches to a minimum. That was great. Thanks Ryan you’re the best.
Brilliant, good job explaining
I just loved the Marty McFly BTTF explanation of the timeline change in the dorm room with Barry, Barry and Gary 😂
In truth when I saw dark flash and when he punched Barry out of the speed force in my mind I said is that There version of Savitar mixed with black flash .
Appreciate the homemade illustration! 😊
Barry's time travel not only changed Batfkeck to Clooney, but it also changed Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney. This finally locks in that the Batman '89 universe is the same universe as Batman Forever and Batman and Robin.
No it does not because none of the suits Val or Cloons wore were in Keatons closest nor was there a Robin in that universe.
@Vincent Salamatino that's the dumbest evidence I've heard yet from someone who doesn't want to listen to the people who made the movies
Eh? Doesn’t it do the exact opposite, prove they aren’t the same? Otherwise why would Barry not recognise Clooney?
WRONG..!
There are Tons iterations of Clooney and BatFleck in the Multiverse.... They were transplanted.
@@davesummers1369 no. The Clooney he meets at the end of this movie is NOT the Clooney from Batman and Robin. His actions in this movie changed Affleck to Clooney. They ALSO changed Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney, causing us to be able to see them play the same Bruce Wayne in the same universe. This is not this confusing.
@9:45 INCORRECT MY GOOD SIR!!!!! Barry Allen replacing the Tomato can would have created a MASSIVE PARADOX. Let me explain
Remember the sticky note that Bruce left him was different. Instead of an apology, the note informed him to be in court because the CCTV footage Bruce saw was different. Also the phone conversation that he had with his dad the night before he time travelled would never have happened. Both the note Bruce left him and the phone call he had with his dad, both happened before Barry time travelled and both incidents would not have happened if the tomato can was on the top shelf. Hell Barry might not have been as depressed enough to go back in time to change events with such good news from Bruce. I mean Barry would've just achieved his dream. His only reason for going into forensics was exonerating his dad. And now his dream came true.
You forgot that the constant event is that the CCTV recording was messed up. It need to be cleaned first before everyone can see whether Barry's dad looked up or not. So no massive paradox occurs.
@@afiqazman6615 right but the footage was cleaned before he went back in time. Bruce was not able to see Barry's dad in the video, which led to Barry calling his dad and apologizing to him, which led to Barry's dad telling him to move on with his life, which led Barry to feel like a failure and want to go back in time and fix things. None of these events would've happened if on cleaning the footage, Bruce saw Barry's dad's face. And the key point is the footage was cleaned before Barry time travelled.
Your explanation was pretty amazing!
"Not this time, maybe some other time." Hits different when Bruce replies to Barry.
I think if time travel is even possible, there would be time police like the TVA. There would have to be because someone somewhere invented time travel. I’m waiting for a scene that shows someone showing up to Tony’s house almost immediately after discovering time travel. Kang perhaps because that was part of his sacred timeline
Absolutely love the shirt! “ want to play fetch let’s play fetch” lol
Dude you made that sound so much easier thanks.
Great explaination of time travel theories. If you take a close look at your real lives you will see that there are crossroad moments that affect your entire future. That's why you should never have regrets if there is any one thing in your life you wouldn't change. Barry tried to change the one thing he regretted most but forgot all the things he would put in jeopardy. As Doctor Who would say, it's all just a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
Great time travel explanation!
Great that you mentioned Agents of Shield that show was peak
Megan the Stallion 😄😄😄😄 just like the RKO, outta nowhere 😄
If berry put back that can of bean back on the shelve after his dad looked up the time line would have remained the same…
By putting the cans up . the store will have to relocate it back to the shelve, what if the person restocking fell or some bad happened. That alone changed the time line
It makes me happy to see that Ryan uses the same Mrs Meyer's dish soap as me
I like the use of the bowl and the dry spaghetti noodles it was a big help
L O V E the explanation!! I knew it was somehow connected to Dr. Manhattan's Omniscience but I just couldn't comprehend it.
The props alone are worth a like
Your explanation was amazing 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
In Zack Snyder's JL when Barry reversed time, did that not create a different timeline?
Legacy of Kain had a good metaphor that time is a river and changes are just small stones that make little difference.
Didn’t Barry call his dad in prison telling him that the new software that improves the CCTV recordings doesn’t prove his innocence since he didn’t look up, hence the Flash at the in the market switching up the rows of tomato 🍅 cans to the, making sure his actually looks up facing the camera and finally dismissing the modern charges of his wife? I’m just saying that he did indeed change part of the future after it was written, the first viewing of the recordings.
Btw, I thought it was great how seamlessly the switch the actors of Barry’s father from the Justice League lol
Damn that was a good video. How long did it take for you to come up with all these explanations?
@ScreenCrush I think when Barry placed the can higher, he created another timeline. That's why George Clooney Brice Wayne showed up instead of Ben Affleck Bruce.
Ryan’s props he used to explain time travel reminds me a lot of Loki ruining Mobius’ salad from Loki lol
“This is you… This is me… This is Bruce Springsteen…” Gold!!
X-files had a good time loops episode
Thanks Ryan, that actually makes sense
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Best... explanation...ever
I saw this movie yesterday 😁
Great explanation!
“I’ve got to explain all the theories on time travel; quick, to the kitchen and recycle bin!” 😊
I’m wondering will the DCEU still carry on even if we don’t see it anymore and would the DCEU not have the flash anymore since he traveled to a different universe.
good point! DCU will get new Flash not played by Ezra Miller! Miller will be on his own universe!
Phenomenal video!!
I can’t wait to send this video to everyone who wanna debate this theory with me 🤣
You're missing an entire plane of existence, Ryan. Simply put a color gradient below the pasta strands and show how when moving the pendulum the underneath color gradients change which would be the details of that Universe while the pasta strand is the timeline of it.
great explanation btw
Time Cop is another great time travel movie
I want to know if their keeping Ezra, or their leaving him in a alternate universe?
Thanks Ryan!
No movie has time travel right, though. Because we're moving so fast through space, if you skip back or forward in time even a minute, you would just be in space. It's all in a book called "We Are Alone: A Novel".
That's why the Doctor has a TARDIS.... Time AND Relative Dimensions.... IN SPACE!!!!
@@MichaelWyattMDW OOOH I didn't know that. Ha my sister's always trying to get me to watch that show. Now I think I'll have to check it out.
Actually, although it's not explained, the Avengers method theoretically accounts for that by using the Quantum realm because of Quantum Entanglement.
The best way to think about time is that it's a piece of ballistics jelly and you're the bullet. You move through it, but it never actually changes.