The first part of Discovery season 1 is awesome just because this guy. Like, seriously, I wanted him to stay, not being some random bad guy, but a legit badass military starship captain.
@@sylshark1 I gave it a second chance. And Holy shit does this show blow. Character choices make no sense. They have a chance to introduce proto borg and instead went with skynet rip off. And the red angel sub main story was super shitty. I'm not gonna even try the 3rd season. God awful.
I have to preface this with "I've seen nothing other than the pilot episode", but he seemed like a horrible character. A Captain who isn't giving orders then berates his crew for not...opening fire on other ships without being given an order to? Now, in theory, a Captain could have standing orders of "shoot enemy ships on sight" or something, but generally in IRL navies (and from what we've seen of Trek ones), firing before being given the order to fire is a no-no. So berating the weapons officer for not firing when YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN HIM THE ORDER TO FIRE is nonsense. He also seemed to demand instant reports on things right after giving an order but before anything has had time to happen. Like when he asks the operations officer "Got anything?" then, before she could even open her mouth to reply, says her name again, demanding something when he literally didn't give her a chance to even open her mouth and reply to his initial question. His "UNDERSTOOD?!" seemed unnecessary. That said, there ARE jerk COs out there that are like that, so I'm more willing to let that slide. But the whole "I CAN'T HEEE-AAARRR YOUUUUU" nonsense is toxic leadership at the best of times...and this show isn't the best of times. Same with the "DID WE GET 'EM BOTH?!?!" before giving his officer a chance to respond to "DID WE GET BOTH TORPEDOES?" . I've heard this show is a dumpster fire, and this battle seems to support that view. I'm also curious what math genius thought going from 100% -> 70% -> 30% -> 10% shields made sense. Moreover, 30% -> 10% taking a single torpedo hit means if they HAD taken both torpedoes, they might have been destroyed...
He had a commanding presence. A very realistic Captain. Have to remember you're not everyone's friend, you're the boss. The lack of communication from the bridge crew and constant blank expressions would've caused a few rotations amongst my staff for sure!
@@korben7710 Exactly, and a warrior is exactly what Starfleet needs in war time. Lorca was amazing captain and asset to the fleet . . . undercover villain or not.
Yeah, I didn't like Discover in how it was presented but I admit, the battles were awesome. Especially since with the Spore Drive you could pick up a distress call and immediately drop in to assist.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 did u see the season 2 battle finally? It was amazing, their is a moment when Pike moved the enterprise to take the on coming fire for discovery, pike is amazing next to lorca
meh that line is a little weird, you dont have time to say that shit in real battle. But maybe all these battles are made by Gamers over remote subspace needle cast in the REAL future
I understand this show hasn't pleased everyone especially more traditional Trek fans, but this first season really had a lot of talent behind the scenes that made a sincere effort. I love the production in many respects, but respect the opinions of those who don't agree with it. Happy to own Season One on Bluray to this day.
Of course. Humans first, they view humans as a asuperior race locked in a endless war for the culture. They might compete with each other but the terrains always back each other agianst aliens. They are militaristic xenophobes
Terrains wouldn't have won a single war without the ability to work together against a common foe. They like knives in the back and poison to advance their lot but know they have to stand together when bullets are flying.
Lets put aside Lorca's larger agenda for a moment and try to compare the Terran empire with the Roman empire for the sake of argument ( Terrans were modelled after Romans - just read the Emperors name ). Roman empire was utterly corrupt, decadent and at one point sitting on the throne was more dangerous than being a soldier in a pitched battle. The Senate and patrician families often stabbed each other in the back, plotted and schemed just as how the Terrans are depicted to us in Star Trek. But we also know that the Centurions were extremely loyal to their men ( Centurion commands a century of a 100 men, pretty much like a Captain commands a ship of similar crew compliment ) and they *RARELY had grand ideas of ascending to the throne, backstabbed their peers or plotted against the emperor. ( Generals usually fell to this ambition and most of them were ... patrician ). The way Trek portrays Terrans we are lead to believe that every single citizen of billions has the same ambition of rising to the throne based on a handful of ambitious characters we see on screen. Characters that belong in the upper echelon of Terran society, in some way close to the emperor or are just overly ambitious captains ( who more often than not end up dead as a result of their ambition ). It is not hard for me to imagine middle/low class Terrans operating in a way Lorca operated in these scenes.
@@AckzaTV In a heated battle like that, you can't really plan as you go. Remember those shields went down from 32 to 10% with single torpedo hit? If Discovery caught both torpedo, then shields will be gone and then discovery will suffer heavy damage which may knock out spore drive, this is very risky and goes directly against the ideo held by darker version of Lorca and his plan of going back to Mirror Universe.
@@8749236 oh so he purposefully took just enough damage to be a hero AND allow Gagarin to be destroyed ... so no one can deny his valor... really is a mind fuck and this is the genius of star trek... how jongositic patriotic duty and KANT and his idea of catholic duty is all just weird religious. Baggage...star trek will show us how the ai or synthetics like data and hia daughter soji are going to end up being the Shepards of biological and artifical life.
Well, if you play the MMO, Star Trek Online, the Gagarin is in the game now as the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser, and it has the 2410 look as well as the 23rd century USS Gagarin look
Another UA-cam channel pointed out that it's basically the Shenzhou flipped over with a few other tweaks, which is something I find oddly charming about the design. Note the row of windows on the top of the Gagarin vs the row of windows on the bottom of the Shenzhou.
I’m sure that would be the reaction of ANY navy CO - hell ANY navy personnel PERIOD. Ships are not cheap to replace, crew even more so as you have to train them, get the raw materials to make the hull, etc. and said crew is hard to find in the first place. I can only imagine how daunting a task it was for the founders of the US navy in the 1700’s when we had just gotten independence and was being targeted by the Barbary corsairs. To be a navy CO and witnessing your allies go up in a fireball is tough enough, as they are your allies in the fight. To witness it as a normal crew member may be tougher as you may have had friends on that ship that was just lost.
On a further side note, if you’re a brand spanking new country and had just commissioned your first ships, losing one of those said ships is a loss you as a new nation CANNOT afford.
Fun fact. The Discovery (Crossfield) is less Combat Oriented than the Gagarin (Shepard Class). But Discovery and the Glenn had the Spore Drive making them "State of the Art" Its definitely newer and more advanced than the Walker and Shepard Class. The Crossfield Class was designed as a Science vessel and was largely impractical for long term combat (Just target the Support Beams connecting to the Daedalus Sphere Bridge) Or Fire at the Shuttlebay (The Force Field will eventually fail and 1 Photon Torpedo in there is an instant kill). The Crossfield is however the perfect ship for hit and run attacks and potential covert operations when it has the Spore Drive. If the USS Enterprise (Constitution Class, Which might not be the same one we all know and love) had the Spore Drive it would be a Super Power all in itself. It would take at least 3 Crossfield Ships to take on Pike's Enterprise (Assuming that Pike's Enterprise is indeed the same one we know from the Prime Universe)
Me, too! 🙁. Star Trek shows are supposed to be about The Captain, and the character of Lorca was a worthy one. Maybe, in future seasons, did we ever find out what happened to the "real" Lorca?
@MrHoppers002 Why would not he be transported to another universe? If the Micail network keeps the universes balanced, and aligns them, then when Bad Lorca jumps through it into our Universe, wouldn't it also want to do the same to _our_ Lorca? Or, did everyone think there were only two universes?
I do too. The whole Mirror Universe thing was stupid enough, but they made it infinitely worse by turning his character into some sort of cardboard cutout villain.
Jason Issacs and Lorca was such a good character/actor combo. I really wish they kept him longer and gave him a more in-depth story that didn't end so..oddly. Maybe if they brought back prime lorca as a reprisal it would be great. He was a positive in Disco
@MrHoppers002 Jellico was made to look like a prick in the TNG. Also, Jeremy, you do realise that theres countries outside of the US right? Not everything is based on it...
@@jeremypace249 I'm not sure he's acting QUITE like a real American military officer. Granted, during my time in the Navy, we never saw live combat, so the situation might be different if we did, but our Captains generally didn't act quite like that. My main issues with him in this scene are: (a) he snarks about his weapon officer not firing when, irl, if a Captain/Officer of the Deck (who has to get the Captain's permission, generally) fires weapons without a DIRECT ORDER from the CO/OOD, that's bad. The CO has weapons release authority - and also is responsible if the ship blows up a noncombatant or the like - so while a CO COULD include weapon release in the Captain's Standing Orders, in practice, I don't think any do... (b) He makes a request/asks a question, but doesn't give his people a chance to respond before yelling at them...but then only yells at them ONCE (instead of over and over until they shout an answer over him). Generally, when you ask a question, you give the other person a chance to respond that is longer than 0.5sec before you ask again more angrily and more demanding. He does this at least twice in this scene/battle. (c) The whole "UNDERSTOOD?!" thing. While "I CAN'T HEEEE-AAAAR YOU!" thing is often done in indoctrination/boot camp/officer candidate school, it's not generally done on an active warship. Especially in a combat or critical situation. It's also kind of weird because if you expect everyone to say "aye sir", they'd be yelling over each other. When orders are given, they're generally given to ONE person to do a thing, not to everyone at once. This allows the ONE person to give a full repeat-back of the order, word for word (or very nearly) showing that they understood the full order, and did it correctly, getting all the important details right. Giving a kind of generic order like "key your trigger finger ready" isn't even something that applies to the entire crew anyway. It could be seen more as an order to the weapons officer, yet the CO here didn't specify his command with something like "WEPS...do X", which is what makes a good command. In the US Navy, CLARITY of understanding an order is considered highly important. . That said, I had some demanding CO's (and non-CO superiors) in my time, and some can be snappy like that. But I've never met one to this level, and I met a good deal of other officers (and was one, albeit a JO). So I can safely say that "real American military officers" do not, GENERALLY, behave like he did, or not to the level he did, anyway. In general, we understand that our people know their jobs and not to overtly micromanage because it kills efficiency. And if we ARE going to micromanage, do it in clear, concise orders where it is also clear to whom, specifically, the order is given, and giving time for a proper response.
@@SubduedRadical Oh, don't mind him. He's just one of those traditional only Trek guys who believe that this show and others (like Lower Decks) basically spits on the grave of Gene Rodenberry or something. All the Treks have their good and bad points, but keeping strictly to Rodenberry's original vision is a bit limiting at times. And I have no doubt that you're bang on about real military officers.
He was always bad ... the story had a "good captain" thats pike ... and Lorca is just the good guy who's actually bad and he's GOOD for his dimension actually lol its so fucked ... he actually isn't that bad he's only a freedom fighter
If I were a fan i'd probably make up some bullshit line, like the Anti-Matter cancellation from the shields distorts space/time around it enough to create mico-gravitational waves at a certain frequency. These waves will vibrate your very atoms, as they all jiggle in a wave motion from that frequency. This can be detected by your ears, not just the ear drum but the hair cells themselves will vibrate in a specific fashion during this bombardment of gravitational waves making you interpret it as whatever frequency that gravitational wave was at, for example if you stood beside a black hole merger right at the end you would hear that "bbbwwwwOOOOOOP!" from gravitational waves alone. So this creates a phenomenon where people, regardless where they are (inside the ship, in another ship, outside the ship) they will hear this quick "beeepup" or other variations depending on shape/size of the projectile. But i'm not a fan, nor do i know anything about this show specifically so i'm going to say it was a poor attempt at a "futuristic" audio noise resulting from "futuristic" weaponry that we don't "understand".
Say what you want about discovery but captain Lorca was certainly one of the best captains. Ordering helm to get in between the crossfire therefore taking a pounding for the Gagarin. Fine leadership!
Scenes like this - where Lorca was an absolute badass, and prepared to place his own ship in the line of fire to protect an ally - made me love his character, and made the revelation that he was some evil mirror universe cartoon villain feel so unbelievable. The Federation was at war, and it needed warriors in command of its fleet - Lorca was exactly that. The mirror universe twist always felt to me like a panic-move by the show's writers when all the fans who wanted this show to be exactly like old 'Star Trek' started whining about him being too mean, or whatever. I really wish they'd stuck to their guns, because 'Discovery' has never been more exciting and interesting than it was in its first season. Also, 'Black Alert!' and the spore drive - has there ever been a cooler ship in 'Star Trek' history? And those jackasses have now basically erased this awesome secret weapon and its technology from the Trek timeline??? What a stupid, stupid move that was.
Well said. Absolutely agree.In fact after they brought in the evil Lorca arc it ruined Discovery for me. Never watched after that because the writing was so bizarre in its twists and things like keeping the spore drive secret were so implausible they were risible.
Meh, I really don't like it. The spore drive. Black alert. I guess the captain was fine. Didn't like the action either, could hardly tell who was who really with all the motion blur and zoomed in nature of it.
Except how would you explain where a ship like discovery was in TOS and why more ships don’t have spore drives? The only problem is getting around the organic navigator issue and then all the ships could have such a drive.
Technically the drive is back in the 32nd century, it just couldn't exist during the rest of the 22nd century and onwards through to the 25th and so on. Series like Voyager would never work, and the federation would have had an insane tactical advantage over the dominion, making that war less of a struggle, imagine a defiant class that could both cloak and teleport around a battlefield? That would be deadly enough to sow discourse even among the allied factions like Klingons and Romulans, Nemesis would have had the entire backup fleet just jump in beside the enterprise, making a legendary duel just a mid length skirmish and so on for various other moments. The tech could not exist not only for the sake of future stories but because it just wouldn't sit right with other powers to have that risk of a starship able to drop out anywhere, fire a salvo of torpedoes and then jump away without a trace. As for the ship class, Glenn and Discovery where the last two of the class still in service, only active because of the need for their research, other better science vessels and multi role vessels like the Miranda, Centaur, oberth etc would be starting to take the center stage from the ships of the era in-between archer and pike.
i long for disco season 1 :*( i got passed the iffy bits (per episode of disco season 1, i must of watched it more then tng, movies etc) and ive seen them 10+times each
He died with all his crew in the opening space battle. The fake Lorca takes his places and tells a story about how he survived instead of going down with his ship.
Not exactly successful, as the Enterprise-D was a burning hulk, less than a minute away from a Warp Core Breach,... and that was against THREE ships, not six.
Braddish V - that comment has literally nothing to do with anything stated here in this thread. Nothing to point as an example, and no context to speak of.
I have a feeling those "phaser" pulses are going to be upgraded at some point to beam weapons that sound very similar to TOS and explained as "Much more powerful"
I really want to see a constitution class chip in discovery, because the TOS Enterprise is a anchorpoint that fans use to compare the desings with DIS. A look at the constitution here would maybe change the point.
How ironic people (myself included) are hoping TOS tech (which is visually inferior to that of Discovery) will eventually swoop in and save the show and win the war!! Lol
Jason Isaacs is my current favorite actor. I only watched this season because of him, I am not really a big ST fan. I would be if he was on permanently. I think he’s too in demand as an actor though to get locked into this show.
Judging by the size of the Explosions. The Phasers are Definitely sub-kiloton whereas the Photon Torpedoes are in the one digit Kiloton Range (Heat Wise the Damage may be much higher and the energy may be diverted to the point of impact for maximum Shield/Hull penetration). This is in line with what we see in the Battle of Corvan II. And the Gagarin's Explosion is likely to be the Impulse Deuterium Engines Exploding (As the Warp Engines were down they wouldn't be the cause of the Explosion) And would be in the High Megaton Range (Appears to be 26 Megatons). In Star Trek the main engines are very fragile. With anything as simple as looking at the Warp Core the wrong way is enough to cause a problem that might blow up the ship. In combat it would take hours for Phasers and Torpedoes to actually destroy the structure of Starships (Which is why they specifically target the Warp or Impulse Engines) Buckling the Engines in any way could cause a massive internal explosion that would Destroy the ship entirely. We also see that the Discovery's Shields are much weaker than the Gagarin's as 3 to 4 Torpedoes were enough to bring the DSC Shields down to 10%. The Gagarin had been taking ALOT before this video even started and it had only then just started to lose Shields (And Explode). And if the Gagarin had just started fighting when the video started then the Shields would be similar in strength to Discovery. The Battlestar Galactica (New Series) Should be able to Fight an entire Klingon Fleet at this rate.
This might seem weird but after seeing season 2, it's interesting to see the nuances with the performance from the bridge crew I didn't notice before. Like it's clear on their faces that they aren't comfortable with Lorcas more militarized command style when compared to Pikes later style. I just never noticed that until now and that kinda has had season two make me appreciate season one a bit more
Anybody who has a problem with this show and thinks they are a Star Trek fan needs to watch Star Trek: Enterprise and then watch it. It will be much more digestible for you, I promise. You'll finally have some context for a lot of things. ( ST:D makes a lot of callbacks to ST:E )
Yea but Star Trek: Enterprise was garbage as well. The "best" by what many sites rank is Star Trek: The Next Generation, it was very professional, clean, neat, etc. Not like this. Todays version of star trek was skewed to try and soak in a larger crowd of people, it became more "woke" making every individual a weird thing, including homosexual behaviours as well just to really "trend" with todays youth. It includes snarky behaviour, comments and remarks making the crew rather unprofessional but that, again, is trending with todays generation. It includes crazy FX's, battles, weird new jump drives that give the show reasons for more FX - because why not. I love the FX, don't get me wrong but I can't stand the lackluster stories and inappropriate behaviour of the crew. They're supposed to be the best of the best, meanwhile some act like school children who have no respect for authority - the entire basis of their careers.
This is literally the first scene I've ever watched of Star Trek: Discovery and there was a lens flare less than 5 seconds in. Then we get "This is the USS Discovery. We got your back." 20 seconds in. Hollywood has done it again!
Lorca....eye drops first....."Fire"......yep, just gotta love that guy that still takes time to use eye drops before telling the crew to fire at something 👀👀
i love that klingon destroyer! and i love the phaser/disruptor sounds when i first saw the battle at thebinary stars i thought to myslef what kind of crappy pewpew noise is this, but it really grew on me. also love how the weapons hit cause explosions and the shields flare. instead of like previous trek where the shields just seem to absorb torpedoes as tho they are energy
I think this scene is pretty amazing but I have one issue with it, howcome the Klingons ignore the Discovery for alot of the battle like the Gagarin is the prize they seek and need to destroy. I get that they want to destroy the ship they were after but surely having the Discovery in your sights would be a good chance to stop Starfleets new super weapon. Still a great battle hope we get alot more of them.
A year late, but here we go: the Klingons don't know if other ships are en-route to assist the Gagarin like Discovery was. They are rather practical in the sense that, if you have an enemy who's significantly outflanked, outgunned, and outnumbered, you take full advantage of that and beat them until they're down for good. The Gagarin was already heavily damaged before Discovery arrived. Diverting their attention to the fresh ship would give the damaged one time to possibly repair their warp drive and allow them to flee, thus denying them a kill. Discovery soaked up a LOT of damage trying to keep the Gagarin alive: they were in the fight for maybe 5 minutes, and their shields went from full to 10%. Obviously the Klingons were trying to finish the Gagarin off as fast as possible so they could then turn their entire focus onto this new ship, but Discovery kept getting in the way and taking blows meant for the Gagarin. It's a sound strategy that they employed: focus fire on the weakest ship, destroy it, then focus fire on the next target. Having 6 vessels hammer on one poor soul is going to destroy it a lot faster than if they split up and chose separate targets.
At 1:23, on the crew member's transparent screen, you can see the two federation ships represented, but under the name "uss gagarin" there is actually a top view drawing of the uss shenzhou
I think that's because the ahip designers didn't have much time or they just were lazy and decided to rotate the shenzou and call it a new ship class. In fact i think probably the gagarin was made first and then at some point in development of the shenzhou they decided to flip the ship at last minute, that is also a good explanation as to why the shenzhou has the bridge under the saucer
I've been a Trek fan since the beginning, and have watched every episode of every series. There are, of course, legitimate criticisms to be made of Discovery. But for those who came here just to spew hate on a show you've barely watched, think about which is more antithetical to the spirit of Star Trek: (1) cannon and continuity errors, along with creative choices that don't always pan out, or (2) the firm conviction that your way is the only right way, and differing approaches should be viewed with contempt. The Great Bird of the Galaxy would shrug sheepishly at the first, but be horrified at the second.
I think it’s much more than cannon and continuity errors. I hold out great hope for Season 2 of Discovery because it looks like it’s getting back to the roots of Trek. Season 1 part 1 (the Klingon war) had a lot of problems - some are the cannon / continuity as mentioned, but others are serious fundamental issues with the story and portrayal of the era. However, I think the part 1 could have been salvaged had it not been for Season 1 part 2 (the mirror universe). S1P2 was just insanely bad with NO redeeming qualities. I would point out that, while there will always be people who have issues with canon and continuity, there wouldn’t be nearly as much (or it wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal) if it was a good story and well written. For large parts of the show, the only reason you knew it was Star Trek is because of the emblem on their uniform - otherwise it was a sci-fi show dressed up as trek. Having said that, I truly hope the outcry from the fans has changed the show for the better, into something more recognizable as Trek - and from the looks of the trailer for Season 2, I think it has.
Damn, I really want to see Jason Isaacs return as the Prime Universe Lorca. You know, a legendary badass who now has to deal with the wreckage that his mirror-universe doppleganger caused to his beloved Starfleet.
I know this is a small thing, but those "phaser" pulse visuals and sound effects really irk me. It's so generic, so much like Star Wars. Plus those Klingon birds of prey look more Romulan than Klingon.
That doesn't happen until TOS. DISC has basically retconned the origin of Klingon cloaking technology. The origin is now T'Kuvma's brilliance or somesuch.
Did we ever saw romulan ships looking like that in the previous series, you seem to refer to games and other media. My point is, those ships dont look romulan at all, unless they introduce us to the redesing of a romulan ship that looks that way later on.
I HATE the design of the Klingon ships!! They are not Klingon ships as far as I'm concerned. I mean every single ship looks like something out of Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis, granted nothing wrong with those shows loved em, but they are not Klingon Vessels!! i mean at least the Federation ships look somewhat like Federation ships...the Klingons are not even close and don't even get me started on how the Klingons themselves actually look. Also how can a show from 2017 have worse sound effects for Phasers, Disruptors and Torpedos then a series from the 60s?
John Brice, MEd, MPH, CHES I think if the other ship wasn't so badly damaged, they could have had a fair chance of fighting them off.. but one ship wasn't shooting at all....
Despite everyone hating on the Battles at least the pace is right. The nonstop hammering of the Klingon Bird of Preys was right.They wanted this Federation Ship dead and haven't stoped targeting it just to fire at a full health Ship. This was a good scene. To flashy but still good. Well I just realised that the Explosions moved with the Ship soooo.....
They more like Goauld death gliders or even the Travelers ships that Sheppard encountered in the Pegasus galaxy. All the people that are defending this give me a headache at times.
The first part of Discovery season 1 is awesome just because this guy. Like, seriously, I wanted him to stay, not being some random bad guy, but a legit badass military starship captain.
Yes! Honestly I don't watch anymore after his death.
@@sylshark1 I gave it a second chance. And Holy shit does this show blow.
Character choices make no sense. They have a chance to introduce proto borg and instead went with skynet rip off. And the red angel sub main story was super shitty.
I'm not gonna even try the 3rd season. God awful.
@@Simplefng Smart choice. 3rd season sucked. That was enough for me.
@@Simplefng Control's nanites even looked like Borg nanoprobes.
It's possible that Prime Lorca could still be the badass military starship captain but not evil at all.
No matter how evil Lorca turned out to be I loved him and his one-liners
"Could I trouble you to fire at something" is a perfect example
Yeah Lorca is the only decent character in that whole dumpster fire of a show
@@joebloggs5318 aside from Saru, Pike, Stamets, Tilly (maybe), Culber, Georgiou, Spock, Number One, and pretty much everyone else.
Also the military "Understod?"
If Prime Lorca does somehow show up in Strange New Worlds, I hope he's not all that different in temprement.
I have to preface this with "I've seen nothing other than the pilot episode", but he seemed like a horrible character.
A Captain who isn't giving orders then berates his crew for not...opening fire on other ships without being given an order to? Now, in theory, a Captain could have standing orders of "shoot enemy ships on sight" or something, but generally in IRL navies (and from what we've seen of Trek ones), firing before being given the order to fire is a no-no. So berating the weapons officer for not firing when YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN HIM THE ORDER TO FIRE is nonsense.
He also seemed to demand instant reports on things right after giving an order but before anything has had time to happen. Like when he asks the operations officer "Got anything?" then, before she could even open her mouth to reply, says her name again, demanding something when he literally didn't give her a chance to even open her mouth and reply to his initial question.
His "UNDERSTOOD?!" seemed unnecessary. That said, there ARE jerk COs out there that are like that, so I'm more willing to let that slide. But the whole "I CAN'T HEEE-AAARRR YOUUUUU" nonsense is toxic leadership at the best of times...and this show isn't the best of times.
Same with the "DID WE GET 'EM BOTH?!?!" before giving his officer a chance to respond to "DID WE GET BOTH TORPEDOES?"
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I've heard this show is a dumpster fire, and this battle seems to support that view. I'm also curious what math genius thought going from 100% -> 70% -> 30% -> 10% shields made sense. Moreover, 30% -> 10% taking a single torpedo hit means if they HAD taken both torpedoes, they might have been destroyed...
He had a commanding presence. A very realistic Captain.
Have to remember you're not everyone's friend, you're the boss. The lack of communication from the bridge crew and constant blank expressions would've caused a few rotations amongst my staff for sure!
Lorca was so damn good!
Also great showing of leadership. The bridge crew actually seemed capable of doing something.
and not talking about their emotions for a change.
Lorca was prefect for this war. Starfleet had great captains but Lorca was a warrior!
uh with lines like, mr reese can i trouble you to fire at something? lol no
@@korben7710 Exactly, and a warrior is exactly what Starfleet needs in war time. Lorca was amazing captain and asset to the fleet . . . undercover villain or not.
Wish Lorca comes back. Jason isaacs is soo awesome. Got goosebumps whenever he was in his darkened ready room plotting.
"Can you go to warp?"
"You think if I could go to warp I'd still be sitting here."
"Sure! I just wanted to destroy all those pesky Klingon ships first."
Maybe Cpt.Lorca should have asked he could trouble the Gagarin to fire at something instead of Reese.
“This is the uss discovery we got your back” I love that line :3 I also love Lorca
Yeah, I didn't like Discover in how it was presented but I admit, the battles were awesome. Especially since with the Spore Drive you could pick up a distress call and immediately drop in to assist.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 did u see the season 2 battle finally? It was amazing, their is a moment when Pike moved the enterprise to take the on coming fire for discovery, pike is amazing next to lorca
Lorca had great lines. I love tough, masculine alpha men!!!!!
@@2snowgirl520 Question how the he'll did one get on this show... of course that's why they had to kill him off.
meh that line is a little weird, you dont have time to say that shit in real battle. But maybe all these battles are made by Gamers over remote subspace needle cast in the REAL future
I bloody loved Lorca. Until. You know.
I loved him all the time, even after he was MU.
Perhaps we might get to see the non mirror Lorcon, eventually make an appearance.
Prime Lorca was not this strong according to memory alpha
They need to make good Lorca...
I still love Lorca
I understand this show hasn't pleased everyone especially more traditional Trek fans, but this first season really had a lot of talent behind the scenes that made a sincere effort. I love the production in many respects, but respect the opinions of those who don't agree with it. Happy to own Season One on Bluray to this day.
%100👍
Lorca, a Mirror universe human decides to shield another ship with his own life. Interesting...
Of course. Humans first, they view humans as a asuperior race locked in a endless war for the culture. They might compete with each other but the terrains always back each other agianst aliens. They are militaristic xenophobes
Terrains wouldn't have won a single war without the ability to work together against a common foe. They like knives in the back and poison to advance their lot but know they have to stand together when bullets are flying.
Yeah, and? Don't be racist!
Lets put aside Lorca's larger agenda for a moment and try to compare the Terran empire with the Roman empire for the sake of argument ( Terrans were modelled after Romans - just read the Emperors name ). Roman empire was utterly corrupt, decadent and at one point sitting on the throne was more dangerous than being a soldier in a pitched battle. The Senate and patrician families often stabbed each other in the back, plotted and schemed just as how the Terrans are depicted to us in Star Trek. But we also know that the Centurions were extremely loyal to their men ( Centurion commands a century of a 100 men, pretty much like a Captain commands a ship of similar crew compliment ) and they *RARELY had grand ideas of ascending to the throne, backstabbed their peers or plotted against the emperor. ( Generals usually fell to this ambition and most of them were ... patrician ). The way Trek portrays Terrans we are lead to believe that every single citizen of billions has the same ambition of rising to the throne based on a handful of ambitious characters we see on screen. Characters that belong in the upper echelon of Terran society, in some way close to the emperor or are just overly ambitious captains ( who more often than not end up dead as a result of their ambition ). It is not hard for me to imagine middle/low class Terrans operating in a way Lorca operated in these scenes.
"to shield another ship with his own life" ... it seems like he knew the Gagarin and its Captain.
And to think Lorca is from the dark universe..yet still used himself as a shield to protect the Gagarin :O
Andries Bakker
The way they suddenly rewrote the character was pretty rank. Jason is so good at morally grey characters.
that was all his trickery to make himself look good, he probably planned the whole ambush and battle in the first place loil
He just hated Klingons in both unniverse and been for humanity in both universes.
@@AckzaTV In a heated battle like that, you can't really plan as you go. Remember those shields went down from 32 to 10% with single torpedo hit?
If Discovery caught both torpedo, then shields will be gone and then discovery will suffer heavy damage which may knock out spore drive, this is very risky and goes directly against the ideo held by darker version of Lorca and his plan of going back to Mirror Universe.
@@8749236 oh so he purposefully took just enough damage to be a hero AND allow Gagarin to be destroyed ... so no one can deny his valor... really is a mind fuck and this is the genius of star trek... how jongositic patriotic duty and KANT and his idea of catholic duty is all just weird religious. Baggage...star trek will show us how the ai or synthetics like data and hia daughter soji are going to end up being the Shepards of biological and artifical life.
I like the look of the Gagarin so much. It's like a sleeker black version of the NX class.
...or a less sleek version of the future Enterprise-J
Well, if you play the MMO, Star Trek Online, the Gagarin is in the game now as the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser, and it has the 2410 look as well as the 23rd century USS Gagarin look
Another UA-cam channel pointed out that it's basically the Shenzhou flipped over with a few other tweaks, which is something I find oddly charming about the design. Note the row of windows on the top of the Gagarin vs the row of windows on the bottom of the Shenzhou.
Yea,it's girlfriend time pal.
@@davidcarrero7848 I have one. We watch this show together :)
I like Captain Lorca's look of disgust as he exits the bridge. The destruction of the Gagarin was not supposed to be.
They couldn't really do much to begin with, but its nice to see that he is not a fan of failure.
i wonder if he had some emotional attachements from his universe to that ship
I’m sure that would be the reaction of ANY navy CO - hell ANY navy personnel PERIOD. Ships are not cheap to replace, crew even more so as you have to train them, get the raw materials to make the hull, etc. and said crew is hard to find in the first place. I can only imagine how daunting a task it was for the founders of the US navy in the 1700’s when we had just gotten independence and was being targeted by the Barbary corsairs. To be a navy CO and witnessing your allies go up in a fireball is tough enough, as they are your allies in the fight. To witness it as a normal crew member may be tougher as you may have had friends on that ship that was just lost.
On a further side note, if you’re a brand spanking new country and had just commissioned your first ships, losing one of those said ships is a loss you as a new nation CANNOT afford.
@@grigturcescu6190 He knew the Captain ... so it seems.
I love how the captain of the Gagarin sounds so done with everything.
''We are under attack by 6 Klingon vessels...''
"Mr Reece, may I trouble you to FIRE at something?!"
Well said Cap'n.
Shall we get Tuvok to flog Rhys as well?
*_"FIRE EVERYTHING!!!"_*
Stephen Conroy Better to use Worf. Worf should have destroyed the enemy ships before the captain said anything.
+Stephen Conroy Very Nice.... HOW POLITE Claps slowly and Sarcastically. Lorca is my favorite character.
It's Mr. Rhys.
Edited just for you darling :)
Remember how in Trials and Tribbelations Bashir said to Worf, "Those are Klingons??".
"Those are Klingon ships???"
Bird of Preys I can understand. The destroyers looked off tho
It is something that they dont share with outsiders
@@GemenonLiner They weren't allowed to use the design we're familiar with
This is the Biff timeline where Marty didn't get the almanac back.
I thought that the destroy was old hur'q ships maybe birds of prey are newly built ships
Fun fact. The Discovery (Crossfield) is less Combat Oriented than the Gagarin (Shepard Class). But Discovery and the Glenn had the Spore Drive making them "State of the Art" Its definitely newer and more advanced than the Walker and Shepard Class. The Crossfield Class was designed as a Science vessel and was largely impractical for long term combat (Just target the Support Beams connecting to the Daedalus Sphere Bridge) Or Fire at the Shuttlebay (The Force Field will eventually fail and 1 Photon Torpedo in there is an instant kill). The Crossfield is however the perfect ship for hit and run attacks and potential covert operations when it has the Spore Drive. If the USS Enterprise (Constitution Class, Which might not be the same one we all know and love) had the Spore Drive it would be a Super Power all in itself. It would take at least 3 Crossfield Ships to take on Pike's Enterprise (Assuming that Pike's Enterprise is indeed the same one we know from the Prime Universe)
'Could i trouble you to fire at something' ok, that was funny and so true
Damn I liked Lorca...
Me, too! 🙁.
Star Trek shows are supposed to be about The Captain, and the character of Lorca was a worthy one.
Maybe, in future seasons, did we ever find out what happened to the "real" Lorca?
he has great leadership talent
@MGazT no. He died in the explosion that caused the transfer between universes. Which is why Lorca was missing in the mirror universe.
@MrHoppers002 Why would not he be transported to another universe?
If the Micail network keeps the universes balanced, and aligns them, then when Bad Lorca jumps through it into our Universe, wouldn't it also want to do the same to _our_ Lorca?
Or, did everyone think there were only two universes?
@@mycroft16 Walking Dead rules - no body, no death. If we never saw him die, I'll hold off on believing it.
That was INTENSE. "DID WE GET 'EM BOTH???"
And iconic - "Mr. Rhys, can I trouble you to FIRE at something?"
lucky they didn't got them both, otherwise the discovery would have been destoyed
thats iconic? thats dumb. trying to be dramatic. trouble you to fire at something? terrible tac officer. sure ill fire at that asteroid over tere cap.
Well, Lorca hadn't _ordered him_ to start firing, yet.
I already miss Captain G.Lorca. :(
I do too. The whole Mirror Universe thing was stupid enough, but they made it infinitely worse by turning his character into some sort of cardboard cutout villain.
Me too! I hate pc people. Lorca was no BS, pure masculine delight.
Jason Issacs and Lorca was such a good character/actor combo. I really wish they kept him longer and gave him a more in-depth story that didn't end so..oddly. Maybe if they brought back prime lorca as a reprisal it would be great. He was a positive in Disco
Lorca was a Boss. He is missed this seasin.
What we were basically told is "Any Starfleet captain that acts like a real American military officer is actually from the Mirror Universe and evil."
Lorca was a great badass. I love badasses and I hate pussy pc pansies.
@MrHoppers002 Jellico was made to look like a prick in the TNG.
Also, Jeremy, you do realise that theres countries outside of the US right? Not everything is based on it...
@@jeremypace249 I'm not sure he's acting QUITE like a real American military officer. Granted, during my time in the Navy, we never saw live combat, so the situation might be different if we did, but our Captains generally didn't act quite like that. My main issues with him in this scene are:
(a) he snarks about his weapon officer not firing when, irl, if a Captain/Officer of the Deck (who has to get the Captain's permission, generally) fires weapons without a DIRECT ORDER from the CO/OOD, that's bad. The CO has weapons release authority - and also is responsible if the ship blows up a noncombatant or the like - so while a CO COULD include weapon release in the Captain's Standing Orders, in practice, I don't think any do...
(b) He makes a request/asks a question, but doesn't give his people a chance to respond before yelling at them...but then only yells at them ONCE (instead of over and over until they shout an answer over him). Generally, when you ask a question, you give the other person a chance to respond that is longer than 0.5sec before you ask again more angrily and more demanding. He does this at least twice in this scene/battle.
(c) The whole "UNDERSTOOD?!" thing. While "I CAN'T HEEEE-AAAAR YOU!" thing is often done in indoctrination/boot camp/officer candidate school, it's not generally done on an active warship. Especially in a combat or critical situation. It's also kind of weird because if you expect everyone to say "aye sir", they'd be yelling over each other. When orders are given, they're generally given to ONE person to do a thing, not to everyone at once. This allows the ONE person to give a full repeat-back of the order, word for word (or very nearly) showing that they understood the full order, and did it correctly, getting all the important details right. Giving a kind of generic order like "key your trigger finger ready" isn't even something that applies to the entire crew anyway. It could be seen more as an order to the weapons officer, yet the CO here didn't specify his command with something like "WEPS...do X", which is what makes a good command. In the US Navy, CLARITY of understanding an order is considered highly important.
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That said, I had some demanding CO's (and non-CO superiors) in my time, and some can be snappy like that. But I've never met one to this level, and I met a good deal of other officers (and was one, albeit a JO). So I can safely say that "real American military officers" do not, GENERALLY, behave like he did, or not to the level he did, anyway. In general, we understand that our people know their jobs and not to overtly micromanage because it kills efficiency. And if we ARE going to micromanage, do it in clear, concise orders where it is also clear to whom, specifically, the order is given, and giving time for a proper response.
@@SubduedRadical Oh, don't mind him. He's just one of those traditional only Trek guys who believe that this show and others (like Lower Decks) basically spits on the grave of Gene Rodenberry or something.
All the Treks have their good and bad points, but keeping strictly to Rodenberry's original vision is a bit limiting at times.
And I have no doubt that you're bang on about real military officers.
I loved Lorca! Bring him back! Or prime Lorca. He’s interesting!
Damn Lorca was a good captain. I'm really sad the script turned him heel
Ur a moron
Jason Isaacs is a great actor and Lorca could've been a great succesor to Star Trek captains. But writers wanted Burnham to be the "Mary Sue"
He was always bad ... the story had a "good captain" thats pike ... and Lorca is just the good guy who's actually bad and he's GOOD for his dimension actually lol its so fucked ... he actually isn't that bad he's only a freedom fighter
@@LoganHunter82 You'll still watch MagaTard
@@qmegamann Pretty lazy bait
Everything was perfect about this series including the effects and space battles. Absolutely awesome 👏
I love lorca more than any other capt in startrek story. I wish he make a come back.
Season 1 of Discovery was actually good - It did something never seen before in Star Trek... Blood, violence and on-screen brutal deaths.
"This is the USS Discovery. We got your back."
"No the hell you don't!"
Approximate age 20-26
1:08 wtf is that sound? An Atari?
Shields smacking antimatter warheads.
@Dennis Morgan Different to other Star Treks but still VERY good
I don't beleive this is actually part of the Show of this Scene..this must be put in by the UA-camr..right...right!?
@@TurKlack no man it is original
If I were a fan i'd probably make up some bullshit line, like the Anti-Matter cancellation from the shields distorts space/time around it enough to create mico-gravitational waves at a certain frequency. These waves will vibrate your very atoms, as they all jiggle in a wave motion from that frequency. This can be detected by your ears, not just the ear drum but the hair cells themselves will vibrate in a specific fashion during this bombardment of gravitational waves making you interpret it as whatever frequency that gravitational wave was at, for example if you stood beside a black hole merger right at the end you would hear that "bbbwwwwOOOOOOP!" from gravitational waves alone.
So this creates a phenomenon where people, regardless where they are (inside the ship, in another ship, outside the ship) they will hear this quick "beeepup" or other variations depending on shape/size of the projectile.
But i'm not a fan, nor do i know anything about this show specifically so i'm going to say it was a poor attempt at a "futuristic" audio noise resulting from "futuristic" weaponry that we don't "understand".
Say what you want about discovery but captain Lorca was certainly one of the best captains. Ordering helm to get in between the crossfire therefore taking a pounding for the Gagarin. Fine leadership!
Lorca is my favourite trek captain hands down.... i wish they could make him return and be a permanent discovery captain
Me too. I also liked Leland. The writers seem to be feminists so we just can’t have alpha, intelligent, masculine men on this show! Sarcasm
@@2snowgirl520 the entire season 2 featured captain pike, or are you just being fragile?
@@hp8492 Pike was okay but he wasn't Lorca. And saru isn't badass at all the opposite
I think my prejudices about Season 1 blinded me to the fact that this is a really cool scene.
Finally a no nonsense captain, I am a instant fan when he used the ship to protect the other.
this is lorca at his finn best, i love this scene
I love Captain Lorca, he's awesome!
I made that bastard block me on Twitter.
Indeed....
Scenes like this - where Lorca was an absolute badass, and prepared to place his own ship in the line of fire to protect an ally - made me love his character, and made the revelation that he was some evil mirror universe cartoon villain feel so unbelievable. The Federation was at war, and it needed warriors in command of its fleet - Lorca was exactly that. The mirror universe twist always felt to me like a panic-move by the show's writers when all the fans who wanted this show to be exactly like old 'Star Trek' started whining about him being too mean, or whatever. I really wish they'd stuck to their guns, because 'Discovery' has never been more exciting and interesting than it was in its first season. Also, 'Black Alert!' and the spore drive - has there ever been a cooler ship in 'Star Trek' history? And those jackasses have now basically erased this awesome secret weapon and its technology from the Trek timeline??? What a stupid, stupid move that was.
Exactly!!!
Well said. Absolutely agree.In fact after they brought in the evil Lorca arc it ruined Discovery for me. Never watched after that because the writing was so bizarre in its twists and things like keeping the spore drive secret were so implausible they were risible.
Meh, I really don't like it. The spore drive. Black alert. I guess the captain was fine. Didn't like the action either, could hardly tell who was who really with all the motion blur and zoomed in nature of it.
Except how would you explain where a ship like discovery was in TOS and why more ships don’t have spore drives? The only problem is getting around the organic navigator issue and then all the ships could have such a drive.
Technically the drive is back in the 32nd century, it just couldn't exist during the rest of the 22nd century and onwards through to the 25th and so on.
Series like Voyager would never work, and the federation would have had an insane tactical advantage over the dominion, making that war less of a struggle, imagine a defiant class that could both cloak and teleport around a battlefield? That would be deadly enough to sow discourse even among the allied factions like Klingons and Romulans, Nemesis would have had the entire backup fleet just jump in beside the enterprise, making a legendary duel just a mid length skirmish and so on for various other moments.
The tech could not exist not only for the sake of future stories but because it just wouldn't sit right with other powers to have that risk of a starship able to drop out anywhere, fire a salvo of torpedoes and then jump away without a trace.
As for the ship class, Glenn and Discovery where the last two of the class still in service, only active because of the need for their research, other better science vessels and multi role vessels like the Miranda, Centaur, oberth etc would be starting to take the center stage from the ships of the era in-between archer and pike.
I miss the old d7 Klingon ships :(
This is eye opening to revisit. There was a time when Discovery had bite.
At 1:48 the Gargarin actually looks like a TOS era starship. Sweet.
i long for disco season 1 :*( i got passed the iffy bits (per episode of disco season 1, i must of watched it more then tng, movies etc) and ive seen them 10+times each
I want to know what happened to the Lorca from our universe, they never quite gave that a solid close
Agreed🖖
did he not die when they swapped?
Well, the odds of them explaining that are the same as the warp core actually getting ejected
He switched places with the Lorca from the Mirror Universe. It was suggested that he was killed, but they never confirmed it.
He died with all his crew in the opening space battle. The fake Lorca takes his places and tells a story about how he survived instead of going down with his ship.
One day this sci-fy presentation will look as archaic as the old Flash Gordon serials look to us today.
Like literally any movie that uses some form of effects...
Hold this course Mr. Crusher. Continual fire all Phasers
So I wasn't the only one to think of that ep. Except Picard successfully defended the Enterprise-C while being outgunned.
Not exactly successful, as the Enterprise-D was a burning hulk, less than a minute away from a Warp Core Breach,... and that was against THREE ships, not six.
K1productions He completed the objective.
Just another example of how STD is a failure 😆
Braddish V - that comment has literally nothing to do with anything stated here in this thread. Nothing to point as an example, and no context to speak of.
I have a feeling those "phaser" pulses are going to be upgraded at some point to beam weapons that sound very similar to TOS and explained as "Much more powerful"
My thoughts ecatly, we still have around 10 years till we reach TOS aera, lots can be changed i just hope they use this chance.
I really want to see a constitution class chip in discovery, because the TOS Enterprise is a anchorpoint that fans use to compare the desings with DIS. A look at the constitution here would maybe change the point.
How ironic people (myself included) are hoping TOS tech (which is visually inferior to that of Discovery) will eventually swoop in and save the show and win the war!! Lol
It would be nice to actually see a frigate class.... And FFS, someone please get some tactics there. You don't send a lone ship out.... :/
Hopefully the writers will use their imagination: one of those many labs on the Discovery should be working on bigger, really badass phasers.
rip gagarin you were the coolest looking thing on this show
The discovery was a hell of a ship sad to see season 5 was her final
More stuff like this, and the season would have been much better than it actual was!
Loooooove the show. I just started watching it. Amazing!!!!!!!
I like the edge that discovery have transporting anyweare they want the captain lorca is badass good show
That Captain of the Gagarin looks a lot like Al Bundy from Married with Children TV show from the 80's . LOL
Lorca was THE MAN. I know, he had an agenda, lying everyone vs vs.. But damn, he was an excellent captain. And charismatic too!
I agree, I don't give a fuck about what he did on mirror universe, but on main universe he was a real starfleet captain...better than current Pike...
Jason Isaacs is my current favorite actor. I only watched this season because of him, I am not really a big ST fan. I would be if he was on permanently. I think he’s too in demand as an actor though to get locked into this show.
Judging by the size of the Explosions. The Phasers are Definitely sub-kiloton whereas the Photon Torpedoes are in the one digit Kiloton Range (Heat Wise the Damage may be much higher and the energy may be diverted to the point of impact for maximum Shield/Hull penetration). This is in line with what we see in the Battle of Corvan II. And the Gagarin's Explosion is likely to be the Impulse Deuterium Engines Exploding (As the Warp Engines were down they wouldn't be the cause of the Explosion) And would be in the High Megaton Range (Appears to be 26 Megatons). In Star Trek the main engines are very fragile. With anything as simple as looking at the Warp Core the wrong way is enough to cause a problem that might blow up the ship. In combat it would take hours for Phasers and Torpedoes to actually destroy the structure of Starships (Which is why they specifically target the Warp or Impulse Engines) Buckling the Engines in any way could cause a massive internal explosion that would Destroy the ship entirely. We also see that the Discovery's Shields are much weaker than the Gagarin's as 3 to 4 Torpedoes were enough to bring the DSC Shields down to 10%. The Gagarin had been taking ALOT before this video even started and it had only then just started to lose Shields (And Explode). And if the Gagarin had just started fighting when the video started then the Shields would be similar in strength to Discovery. The Battlestar Galactica (New Series) Should be able to Fight an entire Klingon Fleet at this rate.
This might seem weird but after seeing season 2, it's interesting to see the nuances with the performance from the bridge crew I didn't notice before. Like it's clear on their faces that they aren't comfortable with Lorcas more militarized command style when compared to Pikes later style. I just never noticed that until now and that kinda has had season two make me appreciate season one a bit more
True !!!
Scine Bamm
Now we know the bridge crew a little better this scene comes into focus. Lorca was great but new Pike is an interesting contrast.
I would rather be under Lorca.
Anybody who has a problem with this show and thinks they are a Star Trek fan needs to watch Star Trek: Enterprise and then watch it. It will be much more digestible for you, I promise. You'll finally have some context for a lot of things. ( ST:D makes a lot of callbacks to ST:E )
Yea but Star Trek: Enterprise was garbage as well. The "best" by what many sites rank is Star Trek: The Next Generation, it was very professional, clean, neat, etc. Not like this.
Todays version of star trek was skewed to try and soak in a larger crowd of people, it became more "woke" making every individual a weird thing, including homosexual behaviours as well just to really "trend" with todays youth. It includes snarky behaviour, comments and remarks making the crew rather unprofessional but that, again, is trending with todays generation. It includes crazy FX's, battles, weird new jump drives that give the show reasons for more FX - because why not.
I love the FX, don't get me wrong but I can't stand the lackluster stories and inappropriate behaviour of the crew. They're supposed to be the best of the best, meanwhile some act like school children who have no respect for authority - the entire basis of their careers.
Weird how they could write such an amazing battle here, but when you get to later seasons it becomes discount starwars.
1:08 When you get hit in any NES Game
This is literally the first scene I've ever watched of Star Trek: Discovery and there was a lens flare less than 5 seconds in. Then we get "This is the USS Discovery. We got your back." 20 seconds in.
Hollywood has done it again!
I admired Lorca so much. He made such a captain. Until E10 of Season 1 comes tho.
I love captain lorca, hè is such a warrior, star trek really needed a captain like this!
Renny i should hope not, but i think this was his best scene so far!
Renny
He looks like the kind of guy who should go out like a badass.
Star Trek already had two Captains like that, and both had better ships too.
Lorca is the Captain Edward Jellico of the series - TNG!
A pity he is wasted on a feeble ship and an incompetent crew!
Lorca....eye drops first....."Fire"......yep, just gotta love that guy that still takes time to use eye drops before telling the crew to fire at something 👀👀
The best moment in whole season 1. Lorca was a really good as a captain.
During combat
@@DanielBrown-sn9op not only in combat.
"There will be time to act with emotions and facial expressions. This is not that time"
i love that klingon destroyer! and i love the phaser/disruptor sounds when i first saw the battle at thebinary stars i thought to myslef what kind of crappy pewpew noise is this, but it really grew on me. also love how the weapons hit cause explosions and the shields flare. instead of like previous trek where the shields just seem to absorb torpedoes as tho they are energy
(2:00) Owosekun "154 Souls lost sir." Lorca "I CAN SEE THAT!"
I think this scene is pretty amazing but I have one issue with it, howcome the Klingons ignore the Discovery for alot of the battle like the Gagarin is the prize they seek and need to destroy. I get that they want to destroy the ship they were after but surely having the Discovery in your sights would be a good chance to stop Starfleets new super weapon.
Still a great battle hope we get alot more of them.
A year late, but here we go: the Klingons don't know if other ships are en-route to assist the Gagarin like Discovery was. They are rather practical in the sense that, if you have an enemy who's significantly outflanked, outgunned, and outnumbered, you take full advantage of that and beat them until they're down for good.
The Gagarin was already heavily damaged before Discovery arrived. Diverting their attention to the fresh ship would give the damaged one time to possibly repair their warp drive and allow them to flee, thus denying them a kill.
Discovery soaked up a LOT of damage trying to keep the Gagarin alive: they were in the fight for maybe 5 minutes, and their shields went from full to 10%. Obviously the Klingons were trying to finish the Gagarin off as fast as possible so they could then turn their entire focus onto this new ship, but Discovery kept getting in the way and taking blows meant for the Gagarin.
It's a sound strategy that they employed: focus fire on the weakest ship, destroy it, then focus fire on the next target. Having 6 vessels hammer on one poor soul is going to destroy it a lot faster than if they split up and chose separate targets.
I miss Star Trek so much.
Plenty of reruns on Netflix. Go watch them.
Kathryn Janeway, Jonathan Archer :(
Love the Shepard class ships.. Such a simple and elegant design...
And do have some TOS vibe when have a glimpse in some angles...
1:05 I just noticed that the image for the Gagarin is a Walker Class (USS Shenzhou) and not a Shepard Class
Lorca was a real captain. It was a terribly wasted opportunity to get rid of him.
He was never intended to be on the show past the 1st season... or didn't you know that?
Really makes me want to play the game Tartigrades, looks really fun.
Mr. Reese, Can I encourage you to fire at something?! Love Lorca. Best Trek to date.
Hooking a ship’s warp drive to a living being, the disappearing/reappearing...um saw that on Battlestar years ago. JUMP!!!
How you think photon torpedos sounds when hitting shields 1:50
How they actually sound 1:08
Dude! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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At 1:23, on the crew member's transparent screen, you can see the two federation ships represented, but under the name "uss gagarin" there is actually a top view drawing of the uss shenzhou
I think that's because the ahip designers didn't have much time or they just were lazy and decided to rotate the shenzou and call it a new ship class. In fact i think probably the gagarin was made first and then at some point in development of the shenzhou they decided to flip the ship at last minute, that is also a good explanation as to why the shenzhou has the bridge under the saucer
I've been a Trek fan since the beginning, and have watched every episode of every series. There are, of course, legitimate criticisms to be made of Discovery. But for those who came here just to spew hate on a show you've barely watched, think about which is more antithetical to the spirit of Star Trek: (1) cannon and continuity errors, along with creative choices that don't always pan out, or (2) the firm conviction that your way is the only right way, and differing approaches should be viewed with contempt. The Great Bird of the Galaxy would shrug sheepishly at the first, but be horrified at the second.
bullshit. dont call it star trek then.
If you don't like it, then don't watch it, and shut the fuck up about it.
I think it’s much more than cannon and continuity errors. I hold out great hope for Season 2 of Discovery because it looks like it’s getting back to the roots of Trek. Season 1 part 1 (the Klingon war) had a lot of problems - some are the cannon / continuity as mentioned, but others are serious fundamental issues with the story and portrayal of the era. However, I think the part 1 could have been salvaged had it not been for Season 1 part 2 (the mirror universe). S1P2 was just insanely bad with NO redeeming qualities.
I would point out that, while there will always be people who have issues with canon and continuity, there wouldn’t be nearly as much (or it wouldn’t be nearly as big of a deal) if it was a good story and well written. For large parts of the show, the only reason you knew it was Star Trek is because of the emblem on their uniform - otherwise it was a sci-fi show dressed up as trek. Having said that, I truly hope the outcry from the fans has changed the show for the better, into something more recognizable as Trek - and from the looks of the trailer for Season 2, I think it has.
Damn, I really want to see Jason Isaacs return as the Prime Universe Lorca. You know, a legendary badass who now has to deal with the wreckage that his mirror-universe doppleganger caused to his beloved Starfleet.
I’d love to see that to but since we are in the future now I don’t think that’s a likely scenario
@@Habdala-hv9xq then we have cpt Pike series in 2022. It is still possible.
Damn. I was the only person among my friends who could say the Gagarin's name right
One of Discovery’s finest scenes as a show so far, and proof that it isn’t all bad like some people like to insinuate…
I put this in second place behind the first spore jump to save the colony, but great showing from Captain Lorca in both instances!
1:08 what's that weird sound?
He may be evil, but he's still one hell of a captain!! 👍 Doesn't make it worse, when you have a slight crush on Jason as well 🤪
I know this is a small thing, but those "phaser" pulse visuals and sound effects really irk me. It's so generic, so much like Star Wars. Plus those Klingon birds of prey look more Romulan than Klingon.
Brendissimo I agree. Battle scenes would be much more cohesive with classic beam weapons.
The Klingons traded their BoP 's for Romulan cloaking tech, so them looking similar makes sense.
That doesn't happen until TOS. DISC has basically retconned the origin of Klingon cloaking technology. The origin is now T'Kuvma's brilliance or somesuch.
Did we ever saw romulan ships looking like that in the previous series, you seem to refer to games and other media. My point is, those ships dont look romulan at all, unless they introduce us to the redesing of a romulan ship that looks that way later on.
BTW, i agree on the weapon effects.
I can't stop noticing how smooth is the skin of that male officer. HAHAHAHA
...this guy was supposed to be captain Evil? What? Seems fine here.
Good scene though, very good. Wish more of the show was this good.
Oh, no Burnham. That's why.
He may have been an evil A-hole, but he was an efficient commanding officer!😂
I HATE the design of the Klingon ships!! They are not Klingon ships as far as I'm concerned. I mean every single ship looks like something out of Stargate SG-1 or Atlantis, granted nothing wrong with those shows loved em, but they are not Klingon Vessels!! i mean at least the Federation ships look somewhat like Federation ships...the Klingons are not even close and don't even get me started on how the Klingons themselves actually look. Also how can a show from 2017 have worse sound effects for Phasers, Disruptors and Torpedos then a series from the 60s?
tHeY aRe nOt KlInGoN SHiPs aS fAR aS iM ConCErNeD
Say what you want about Discovery, but it had some awesome space battles and Captain Lorca was fantastic
Oh yay, yet more post Nemesis starships mysteriously inhabiting a pre kirk era.
Considering Lorca, he put up one hell of a fight... o.o;
6 on 1 is genuinely awful odds...I would pissed.
John Brice, MEd, MPH, CHES I think if the other ship wasn't so badly damaged, they could have had a fair chance of fighting them off.. but one ship wasn't shooting at all....
Of course in the season 2 finale they held their own against 30 ships and countless drones.
"Can I trouble you to fire at something?"
"Can I trouble you to understand what 'reloading' mean? I shot three ships already, you asshat!"
The only thing I picked up from this is that the youtube comment section is a perpetually negative place.
Pretty sure that applies to most comment sections, to be honest :)
you picked that up only now?
Honestly the amount of saltines just in this comment section would give Destiny 2 a run for it's money
No, is not...
go to your safe space liberal bitch
Traits of a superior battlefield commander. Love it.
Lorca is the best Starfleet Captain.
Lorca Prime I hope to see him in the near future.
But he better be badass and not a pansy pc guy.
I really like the show~ It's new and different~
Despite everyone hating on the Battles at least the pace is right. The nonstop hammering of the Klingon Bird of Preys was right.They wanted this Federation Ship dead and haven't stoped targeting it just to fire at a full health Ship.
This was a good scene. To flashy but still good. Well I just realised that the Explosions moved with the Ship soooo.....
The Gagarin's captain looks like a young Al Bundy
Lorca was one of a kind. They should have kept him instead of pike.
Why do those klingon ships look like BREEN DESIGNS
If they were breen ships they wouldn't be bad , I say they look more like Stargate.
They more like Goauld death gliders or even the Travelers ships that Sheppard encountered in the Pegasus galaxy. All the people that are defending this give me a headache at times.
I feel happiness when I see other people talking about Stargate.
Because CBS doesn't give two shits about established canon.
NExGenGaming Goa'uld and ancient ships look cool. This is hot blurred low Res crap mess. They look nothing like Stargate. They just look like crap.