Gay Parenting? Jordan Peterson Weighs In | Doug Wilson
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson responds to a video from Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin discussing the "promises and pitfalls" of gay parenting.
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Finally you're starting to realize why Jordan Peterson is a charlatan!!
The best advice I can give you is watch the first 4 episodes of his Bible lectures and see why he uses it. You can also watch the first 2 or 3 of his Maps of Meaning lectures in order to get used to his way of speaking.
His objective is not to find out the truth, is to serve humanity first. That's why everything to him is a tool, rather than The Truth.
Issue is that Jordan Peterson is not a Christian, so he does not share a Christian perspective. He talking with David Rubin who is going to be raising two male children with his gay partner and they are trying to navigate how to raise a family. Here is why gay marriage is not marriage and sin is sin. Of course we do not live up to the ideal as we are all sinners, but breaking God's law is always evil.
Please do one of these for the latest Jordan Peterson video, "Message to the Christian Churches." I was instantly forming a response in my head, but hey, no one cares what I think!
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No. He's fought for compelled speech, not "man means man, woman means woman." That's Matt Walsh. Peterson fought against the government making him say x or y.
Everyone falling short of the ideal is not an good excuse for not striving for it.
Destroying the ideal because it is unachievable, that's Cain.
Jordan said the same thing at about 13:35 or a bit after.
The point is not that it is an ideal to serve as a tool for humanity to improve itself. The point is that it is God's designed DEFINITION and because of SIn we've fallen short of it. Jordan is literally INVERTING the functions of each pole/origin. For him aiming for the ideal is the goal, which is Sin and the Ideal itself is UN-atainable, which is the forbidden. Instead of following God's commandments he pretends to use God in order to "improve" humanity. That's why I can't stand him anymore. I still pray for him and mention Grace to him, but I'm not sure he's even interested. That's God's election in action.
Mark 10:6-9
@@CWRobinsonMusic That's nonsense...
The sleigh of hand he played here using his typical battery of resources is the source of the problem. Portraying Marriage as an Ideal rather than a Definition is what allows "Homosexual Marriage" to be plausible.
The average marriage fits the definition, the drunken marriage ALSO fits the definition, the IDEAL marriage ALSO fits the definition. It's an definition, not an ideal. This sleigh of hand is incredibly evil and toxic.
You seem to have excused Jordan, instead of listening to Pastor Wilson here.
@@GeneralProfessor Cain didn't care. He did what he wanted to do with temptation from the evil one.
This is one of Pastor Doug's best reaction videos. He's never said anything more powerful and succinct than "It's either Christ or chaos!"
@@1Whipperin Yeah, compared to what? Go troll somewhere else!!!
@@1Whipperin Why would it? There is no perfection on this earth. This platform you are trolling on doesn't mention Jesus Christ either but you are still using it. The founders were not attempting to create a Christian Theocracy...if they were they would have mentioned Jesus. Your
argument is circular and silly!
@@1Whipperin Come on Bill, we've been over this.. It's only Article 9 of the US Constitution (pertaining to religious liberty) which means you can go about peddling this false dichotomy of 'christ or chaos' as you are here!
@@1Whipperin thank you for sharing this truth.
@@1Whipperin Did you mistakenly believe that the Constitution did mention Jesus Christ?! What's your actual point Bill? Not everyone worships the same god, not everyone worships the same god the same way, and all of this is protected in America by the Constitution! Your faith doesn't have supremacy over anyone else's.
Ive been a big fan of Jordan since he first blew up. He hits the nail on the head in so many ways, but when he misses, its like watching a guy hammering on his thumb instead of the nail but cant feel the pain.
He’s still and always will be a liberal
Or rather, I feel the pain when he hits his thumb, instead.
Peterson is a junkie and he rambles. They will be known by their fruits. Look at his life and his family. Vox day wrote a whole book on his sham. He’s a pseudo intellectual and a socialist who works for the UN
Man, I felt that. I love Peterson but this is 100% true.
We need to be praying for Jordan Peterson.
Keep praying for Peterson because he's at a crucial crossroad
Praying to a make-believe deity is no different than praying to a garbage can.
@@jerrylong6238 the prayers of the zadic (obedient man) can do a lot.
@@jerrylong6238 you sure seem angry against God for someone who claims not to believe in Him.
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@@Ryan-mech-muffin fax. Atheist believe in God just as much as Christians, they just are on the opposite end of the feelings toward God spectrum
@8:22 Pastor Doug explains in simple terms what most of us have been trying to say for years.
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@@takundadanha5250 🤣
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Wise words
"It's either Christ or the chaos." Bingo, Doug nailed it.
What is Christless Constitution?
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I cannot wait for this one! Doug Reacts never gets old! Thank you kind sir and everybody else involved in producing these videos.
It's my first one. I'm glad I caught one.
@@fitmesslife go back and watch them! They're bingeworthy for sure
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Jordan Peterson sounds like my (unsaved) brother... He pretty much knows what's right and what's wrong but has no real understanding of what makes things right or wrong.
Jordan Peterson's tacit approval of what Rubin is doing to his poor children, forcing them into a life with no mother, just reinforces my initial impression of Peterson as being a complete fraud.
It's just that Peterson is not a Christian, and Christ is the only Truth there is. Spiritually, I think Peterson is a Luciferian, just as Carl Jung was. The false truth, the false light: it strives to displace the Lord And Savior Jesus Christ who is the only true Truth and only true Light. So yeah, he is a fraud and of the worst sort; it's better to be a bad Christian than a good Luciferian.
Glad to see one of my top channels comment on another one of my top channels.
Mark are you a Reformed Protestant?
Mark may be the only mainstream conservative pundit that hasn't caved in some form or fashion. Absolutely everyone else has that I know of. Conservatism stems from Christian values and most "Conservative" thought leaders seem to be non Christian. True Christians can't stray in certain areas to due to society. GOD HAS SPOKEN THROUGH HIS WORD!
Mark!!!
Every child has a mother. Every child has a father. The issue with gay marriage and children is multi-faceted. One, the child doesn't have an active mother/father in their life and two, there is a missing mother/father out there somewhere. In a few years that child will ask, "Where is my mother? Why doesn't she want to live with me?" And maybe more shocking: "Which one of you is my _real_ dad?"
Problem with that assertion is that straight marriages end in divorce about 45% of the time. So they’re not doing a very good job as is.
I think the saddest thing about all this is that it is intentional. These "couples" knowingly, intentionally and deliberately create these situations to bring children up in, and we are expected to believe that these are natural situations are somehow going to raise perfectly stable children. And I want to be clear that to me this is very different from a situation like adoption, where a child may have been abandoned by a biological parents, or may have been orphaned, and there may not be any other arrangement for that child except for adoption. Adoption is not perfect Kaye but it can be a very redeeming tool for children in these situations… Including children who are at risk of being aborted and somebody offers to adopt that child rather than it being aborted. However, this situation is completely different as the adults involved are deliberately and intentionally creating the situation, and intentionally and deliberately creating children with these sorts of scars. This is probably the saddest aspect of this whole thing. It's the fact that it is being done intentionally rather than circumstances outside of the control of those involved in the child situation. And the most disturbing thing about it is that this is what passes for "conservatism"these days.
@@DM-dk7js Failing to meet the standard is not a good reason to throw away the standard entirely. It's a reason to strive for it all the more.
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Beware of worldly wiseman.
Towering intellect, void of the Spirit. Thank you pastor Doug for speaking the plain truth
This is what I think! I cannot understand why so many Christians are turning to J.P. for wisdom, when we have the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to help us discern truth. If I need more understanding, I turn to a believer that is walking with the Lord for wisdom.
I believe this verse applies:
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
2 Corinthians 10:12
This is disappointing, Dr. Peterson’s thesis is because Marriage is hard therefore, Same-Sex marriage is possible.
I agree, 100%! He seems to have softened a bit.
@@brendaschwieterman1350 yes he's on his way to being on the dailywire payroll..
Start making and excusing exceptions and things go from bad to worse, one reason the alpha bit soup gets more letters all the time. The Word is our guide and the Spirit enables us to obey. When Jordan starts talking about Jung and evolutionary biology the errors in his reasoning become pragmatic not truthful. He says he believes in God and he loves to moralize to tell us why we should quit wasting our lives but his foundation isn’t solid, disappointing that he’s becoming more and more like those he detested who caved to the mob. Very concerning for the Daily Wire.
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This is what secular conservatism gets you. No wonder our country is under God’s judgment.
At what time in our country's history did we achieve some state of grace where we weren't "under God's judgment"? Your Mayberry Syndrome is rather severe because we were never in that state of grace.
I have great respect for Jordan Peterson and I appreciate the Daily Wire's work as well. However as Christians we have to remember that these gentlemen are not believers.
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Jordan did not and does not refuse to use the lying pronouns. His objection that made him famous was about being forced by the government to use them. His point (God bless him for it) was the government should never be allowed to force anyone to use any specific language. I have heard him say he has no problem using someones "preferred pronouns" if they personally ask him in earnest. So he didn't really have the definition right on that either.
It's like how people are finally pushing back against men participating in women's sports, but they turn around and say it's fine for boys who took puberty blockers to participate in girls' sports. And that it's perfectly fine for men to be in the women's bathroom.
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Transphobe.
Government is what changed the law by extension the people , so as in Australia put to a referendum, voted and parliament introduced the marriage law change bill and viola you have same sex marriage
"It's not the excesses but the logical conclusions" 👌🏾
Thank you. Couldn't stand the inconsistencies of that whole situation.
The problem with the gay marriage vs drunkard marriage is that the drunkard marriage is actually fixable while gay marriage is fundamentally broken from the start
An excellent point. But that's why it's so difficult. It's one thing to work out your problems between the two of you. But in the case of gay "marriage", you'd have to separate. That must be so painful. Very few people would be willing to do it. Bringing children into the situation makes it infinitely more difficult. What a mess.
Yeah, drunks can be fixed to some extent, gays can't, they're broken in a fundamental irreparable way.
@@Yesica1993 No you don't. Because religion is a myth.
@@Yesica1993 A lesbian couple that went to a friend's church got born again and separated to honor Christ. It is painful but anything you give up for Christ is more than worth it. Only the Holy Spirit can change your heart to see it that way.
There’s no study tho that says gay marriage with children is bad in any way.. not 1
Jordan is not wanting to offend his host.
Jordan actually advised him to become a parent. Ruben underestimated the blowback. Ruben and Peterson want to mainstream this behavior in conservative circles.
If the host was a woman, he'd go for her juggler.
My parents never married and in my childhood my father received custody of me. For 7 years he tried to make many women role models fill in my mothers shoes. No woman ever could or ever has accomplished the role and impact my mother has. There’s a natural relationship and affection of a mother and her child that a role model woman can not fill.
Also my mother worked in the emergency department of a childrens hospital and she has witnessed the natural differences between the ideal parents (mom/dad) vs the sodomite “parents”. She has many saddening testimonies from her career.
Could you give any examples of the “natural differences”, or repeat a “saddening testimony”??
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you just seem like a traumatized kid venting your anger at gay parents. you need help.
This has got to be my best Doug Reacts yet!
Dave Rubin thinks 'destabilizing ' the family is a bad idea??!! HE'S "married" TO Another Man and they are raising children as a FAKE Family!! ...He can't see that as DESTABILIZING, MOCKING, CONFUSING society???!!! He's the man.
Yep
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I think maybe Jordan just didnt want to offend Dave Rubin
you're correct. we didn't do this. it was done to us.
Man I would love to see Pastor Doug take Dr. Peterson on!
How wonderful it would be if Pastor Wilson could lead JP to faith in Christ🙏 Then Jordan could truly help Dave Ruben. There is only one God-ordained foundation on which to build your life: 1 Corinthians 3:11. It all begins with surrendering your whole life to our Saviour and LORD: Jesus Christ. Every false pretense given to Dave Ruben to justify his gay parenting goals would crumble. (2 Cor 10:5)
Peterson often feels like he walks up to the line of the truth, reaches out, and flinches.
Edit: this is why I want to see a Peterson-and-Wilson-talk series.
I want to see that too!
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YES...!! The all or nothing conversation ...is ONLY be rammed by the left 😳 while the middle or conservative view is ALWAYS being walked back to accommodate "THEM" pun intended 😐... Like a policeman, bargaining with a theif...😏. ...." I'll give you a head start to run away with the money... And talk with your cohorts civaly while money gets dropped and lost along the way.. 🙄 one side demands and takes...while the other side gives up and caves in ( acquiesce)
Rubin should just repent. Leave his pal, and embrace a woman.
He's got some good things, but honestly it's hard to believe him on most things.
Gay people should just hug a girl… yeah that’ll do it lmao. Elton John just needs to “embrace a woman”!
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Thanks for the Biblical breath of fresh air!!
I’m so disgusted by conservatism’s acceptance of Dave Rubin.
I appreciate the commentary, Doug! I'm not sure what's more disturbing, the left/liberal movement or what's now being considered right/conservative..
What I find most disturbing is that these days, these poor children that are intentionally and deliberately brought into these unnatural situations simply because of the wants and desires of selfish adults. There is no thought for the scars that are going to be intentionally and deliberately inflicted on these children because of the way they were both conceived, birth, and raised. That is the saddest and most disgusting aspect of this whole thing. Children are no longer the future of our societies that are to be cherished and raised for God. Now, children are just bought and sold commodities that are bought and sold for the whims, wants and desires of selfish adults like this. And the most disturbing aspect about it is that this is what passes for "conservatism" these days. If this is what conservatism has come to, then I am no longer a Conservative. Because I care about biblical family values, and I would rather see children brought into this world and treasured and cherished as image bearers of God and raised and trained as the next generation of our societies, rather than this.
I’m wondering how much longer I can continue to call myself a conservative. The definition increasingly fails to conserve anything of value.
@@1Whipperin to both you and Cathy I would encourage the continued use of the terms conservative and Christian to mean what they have traditionally meant and to encourage those who want to discuss or identify as new or different concepts to use new or different terms rather than changing the meanings of terms that already exist and have definitions different than how they propose to use them.
@@1Whipperin that's true, but has not been the meaning historically.
@@nametheunknown_ The term “Christian” is one to fight for bc it is an expression of Ultimate Truth found in following Christ. “Conservative” is a worldly term and it fails as a shorthand. I appreciate what you’re saying but I’m not going to fight tooth and nail. Maybe I’ll add a modifier like “Old School”…
Thank you, Doug! Thank you, Dr Peterson! AMEN. AMEN. AMEN!
Doug, my Christian life has become more enjoyable by finding you. I'm not saying it's not enjoyable already but you have added great value my friend.
Reminds me of "No Child Left Behind" in education, we've flattened everything so much that real evaluation of a students success is impossible. Teachers can't even give bad grades anymore because we might be hurting their little minds by telling them that they did "less than ideal" on thier exams.
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The main reason they did that is to make minorities look like they’re performing better. They know those are the main strugglers so the govt thinks they can put a band aid on the problem by lying about their performance in school to help them in life. In reality, it’s the parents job to properly prepare them; if the parents actually did their job, the kids wouldn’t be doing so poorly in the first place. But the government loves to think they’re the answer to every problem
It was a delight of a video, I'm not surprised Jordan is heading down this road, they both know deep inside its all wrong, I can hear that from the tone of their voices!
I agree, what a terrible ridiculous conversation
Why don’t u people open… ur acting like he’s lying! It’s a open conservation… there no study that says have kids in a gay marriage is bad! There’s not 1! Put ur religious beliefs away and look at the facts
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@@hunterpope3369 You do not want to have the monkey pox conversation. (Or you may, since people can drop dead by the dozen and the "vaxxed" think it's fine). Even a dog in a homosexual household got the pox. It went real quiet when children were getting diagnosed with the gay pox.
@@baswenmakers6846 what r u talking?? Like I’m not being rude but where did this come from?! I do agree with you tho.. they didn’t talk about it
"Gay mirage" Definitely using that.
Doug should've been in that interview with Jordan and Dave! Good analysis Doug! Thank you for sharing this!
Over the years since JP came into my orb after that famous British TV interview, I was intrigued by him. But I have come to the conclusion that he is an intellectual and he makes a mess of some things that are as clear as they can be. I pray he comes to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior.
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Sadly, watching Jordan and Dave discuss this issue sounded like a couple of 5 year olds discussing how a car works or how to cook a fancy dinner. They missed the mark completely but think they nailed it on the head. I pray the Holy Spirit comes upon both of them and they repent.
Take care to note that secular thinkers believe the SAME thing about Christians. That they are children discussing topics they have no real understanding of. If the level of discourse on these subjects is only a matter of insulting one another then we truly are damned. The atheist can be (nay should be) forgiven for their ignorance; You have no excuse for that kind of condescension and it only serves to further entrench the secularists opinions on believers as being 'holier than thou' and judgmental. We ultimately should strive to be more like Christ and I believe He would not talk down to or badly about those who didn't believe in Him much less needed His help. I don't know why I felt compelled to say these things but there it is.
@@tylerburns1364 Jesus did not blunt the truth simply to preserve people's feelings. The idea that He is nice above all other qualities is simply not true.
At least it was a discussion where you can think and speak. On the outside here at least you can watch a conversation without a walk out or violence and share views on what’s discussed
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8:27 disgruntled Doug, is my favorite!!
Peterson speaks like the average pastor of an average church, carefully measuring every word to keep from offending half his congregation while trying to make it look like he holds a position so as to keep from offending the other half.
I have always enjoyed Dr. Peterson, but of course he has conceded much of his beliefs on family that are based on his years as a clinical psychologist, for the sake of his friend. One point that he seems to have missed in this discussion is that there’s a difference between not being able to live up to an ideal (making mistakes in a marriage, for example), and knowingly and intentionally not living up to that ideal (homosexual marriage, and choosing to have a child like Dave Rubin and his partner have). Thats just an outright dismissal of the ideal, not simply a failure to live up to it.
Also, I would have liked for him to ask Peterson what the data is on the effects of children growing up with homosexual parents vs heterosexual parents. I’m sure he must have some data on that.
I think Jordan gave a much older interview on gay parenting, and he said that gay parenting hasn't gathered enough data yet due to how recent it is as a phenomenon. He did say that two parents are better than one, regardless of whether they're traditional or same parents.
Well, I no longer have hope in seeing quality data come out of our institutions any more. I think the heyday of honest analysis and collection of data has passed us up about 10 or more years ago in spite of the technological advancements we’ve made. For example, several government agencies have declared they will no longer gather data on certain crimes or they’ve reclassified some felonies as misdemeanors and this distorting historical trends. Another example is the CDC now admitting that they did not look at any VAERS data even though back in Jan 2021 they said they would do so on a weekly basis. We’re going into the dark abyss of lies I fear.
Manuel, I think your observation is spot on! They are choosing and intentionally not living up to the ideal. Thank you for that.
There’s lots of research and it’s really easy to find the data on this! Search something like “FactCheck: are children better off with mother and father than with same-sex parents” 🙏
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Well done Mr Wilson! I’ve been so frustrated with Daily Wire and Prager U concerning this issue and Dave Rubin in particular.
Jordan needs to see this and interact with it.
Dave Rubin has been a friend of everyone in this conservative moment... so it is just too hard for them to speak the truth about and to him, because they like him too much and consider him family... Jordan Peterson is stumbling here sadly and doesn't seem to be strong enough when it really really matters
Jordan Peterson is a liberal atheist I dont know where people get the idea hes going to go against Rubin on conservative religious grounds.
It is interesting. He’s normally in your face with facts. Sad.
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No Jordan is a theist and has been for a long time. He says it all over the place. He lives as if a God exists. He might be old-school libertarian but he’s not modern day liberal.
Peterson's reaction doesn't surprise me at all. Look at how he caved on the v***ine. He spent years lecturing us about what tyrannical government look like and all that. Yet he couldn't even see when he was under the thumb of a tyrannical government, and was whining about how he wished they would leave him alone and all that. How come he didn't see it coming if he is such a Guru on these things?
@@tornasukiii745 Evangelical right wingers tend to think that Jordan is some sort of Christian because he doesn't possess an overt hostility towards Christianity or the Bible.
I haven't watched this interview because I was afraid that JP would let his own bias interfere.
While I'm disappointed in the result, I am happy that we're starting to discuss this subject again in Conservative circles. Ultimately I believe JP is someone searching for truth and he will admit he was wrong if faced with the inescapable facts.
He is also talking to someone who has supported him through thick and thin and is his friend. Sometimes it's hard to square that with truth, especially for someone who (no matter what revelations he has had) is still an intellectual.
@@atschram ~ Yes ...that is what l thought too. He seems skittish to call Dave out, but needs to be reminded he's dealing with CHRIST here! The one he claims to fear and not want to anger.
There is nothing to appreciate with doublespeak
@@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272 ~ lndeed. lts too bad because Jordan has been looking into Christianity, and apparently ...l cant be 100% sure of this, but saw a video that said ... his wife Tammy is starting to go to church OR she's befriending women who go there. lf there's ANYONE that can effect Jordan ....its HER! He is madly in love with her. Pray for Tammy!!! :D
@@atschram also JBP is actually quite agreeable, he said it himself. It's not a surprise that he wouldn't want to push too hard on his friend that toured with him for an year.
One thing about Dave Rubin is no matter what you think of his lifestyle he is like Joe Rogan: Gracious, not violent, can recieve/hear/contemplate what the other party is stating. May the Lord open his eyes and heart...
Joe Rogan, while interesting. Is a blasphemous tool. Just look at the tone he employs when discussing Christ. Look at the mockery and heresies he spreads about our God. He is a wolf in sheep clothing and most definitely NOT on our side
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I really appreciate your commentary. It really is Christ, or chaos.
Doug. Please invite Jordon for a UA-cam sit down. He's ripe for the truth of the gospel.
Dave is not even aiming at the ideal.
love the grumbling old man response
It was so cute!
I watched this yesterday and told my husband that I would love to see a Doug respond video. I haven't watched your response yet but I'm sure I'll enjoy it. The original video, on the other hand, couldn't have been more messed up, though. 🤦
"Make one of them wear a dress." 😅 Its great how Doug is blunt yet humorous at the same time.
They don’t actually want to approximate to that ideal. If they did they wouldn’t do the easiest thing to break the ideal by not making it male and female
Thank you Doug for clarity amidst confusion. 🤝🏼
“Make one of them wear a dress.” That one made me laugh.
You are spot on, Pastor Doug. These are the "Look at the relativists, I am 30% less relative"-guys... diplomacy and opportunism rather than deeds and suffering...
So glad a Christian is addressing this publicly. I think people like Jordan Peterson are cultural Christians in the sense that they want all the goodness of religion while not accepting its doctrines.
Peterson is agnostic
Amen brother Doug
Thank you for addressing this!
Is it just me, or should Jordan Peterson have Doug Wilson on his show?
Either one on either's one's show/channel would be amazing!
Thank you, Doug. This is great and just a further example of why knowing true things and knowing THE TRUTH are not synonymous with one another. CHRIST or chaos-the world really is that black and white. Thankfully a bunch of people who have been playing in the gray area are finally waking up to that fact. Some never will, unfortunately.
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I hope Dave has a change of heart and gives these kids up for adoption by a Christian home
Eeew
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I agree with Doug. But Peterson hasn’t gone to the wall on pronouns. He’s gone to the wall on compelled speech. Peterson willingly uses false pronouns if he believe the person to be genuinely convinced of their own delusion.
I thought this as well. I’ve heard Jordan say that he’ll use “preferred pronouns” for a person out of courtesy in a private setting.
“Stick to the definition”. Thanks Doug!
"We cant acheive the ideal easily. Therefore, let's arrange things in such a way that we can never attain it."
That doesn't make sense.
Jordan has officially been absorbed by the DW Borg.
Peterson has shown to be "not far from the kingdom" in many places. However, the road is so narrow that the most 'ideal' and moral individual is condemned to hell. Meanwhile the road is also wide enough that the vilest sinner can still be saved. The ideal measure is Christ, without Him you are condemned, with Him you are saved from your sin. Peterson may stand on similar ground, but until he is submitted to Christ he only has a form of righteousness.
I pray that they all hear the truth and are obedient to Him.
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God’s ideal is a man and his wife married for life and raising godly offspring. Many of us are living out God’s ideal! This doesn’t mean we are perfect. No one is perfect, but God commands His children to live out His ideal, ie. obey Him! It’s that simple.
We shouldn't be surprised by what JP said here. It's not his first time abandoning the truth for fear of offending someone. He said many times that he has no problem calling people by their preferred pronouns, his stance was only against government interference.
Excellent stuff. “You can’t have it both ways.”
"Marginal cases" = "What I personally want."
I was dreading watching this interview with these two. I knew there was no way JP would say anything negative about this. (Especially in a public interview.) I don't know how close of personal friends they are, but they went on tour together a few years ago. This is not like an interview with a stranger where you could be more forthright because you're not risking a personal relationship.
But, yeah, that's why I do like JP, but I don't put him on a pedestal like some of his cult-like followers do. "You saved my life!" It's creepy. This was sad. I actually like them both. Please, Lord, save each one of them! And have mercy on these poor little babies being born into such insanity.
It’s not creepy that Jordan Peterson has helped people get their lives back on track and people express gratitude for that. Odd take.
“These poor little babies” are joining a family with two loving parents who want to be parents to them and have a shared wealth of millions of dollars. Don’t worry about those babies! They’ll be just fine!
@@fujikokun Can you show me where I said that?
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They are joining two men pretending to be "married" and who are living under God's judgment for this sin. They will never know the love of a mother - INTENTIONALLY so. They will be born into a life full of confusion - again, intentionally done to them so that these men can fulfill their selfish desires. It's wicked.
@@Yesica1993 The biggest predictors of negative outcomes for children are single parents and low incomes. These babies are wanted and they will be loved and raised by a couple who has been together for ten years and has a collective wealth of millions!! For real there’s nothing to worry about here. The judgement of your god has no measurable affect in this world.
P.S. The intentionality should be a reassuring factor here - unlike all the couples who have unplanned, unexpected children and are consequently unprepared, Dave and his partner want these kids and are as ready for them as can be!
Hmmmmmmm, the conveyor belt analogy. I get it! Totally makes sense.
Peterson and Wilson discussion is needed...
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” (Lev 18:22)
There is a fine line between being gracious or tolerant, and not telling the truth and risk offending the cancellers. Good luck Mr. Peterson..
Ty pastor Doug for covering this issue!
Should we listen to a man not yet surrendered to Christ. I like Jordan Peterson & the daily wire but I find myself struggling with the worldview they have and their lack of understanding and truth about the Lord. I am not surprised that Jordan is having his friends back as he doesn’t have the truth to stand on. Thank you for this it really is needed to help us stay on the path and follow our King not these men that are sadly conceited.
The abuse of a thing doesn't nullify the proper use of a thing. Just because some people commit adultery doesn't mean the institution of marriage is at fault. They are assuming that because the abuse exists, the proper use is an unatainable ideal.
"Though all things foul would wear the brows of grace / Yet grace must still look so." -Shakespeare (Macbeth)
Wow, Pastor Doug, you are like an Archangel aiming to guide all towards Christ (not Chaos) by your clear thinking. Thanks.
😂😂 I laughed at the ‘laugh turned incredulous mumbling/grumbling’. I feel like I end up at that exact moment at some point every day.
I literally commented about this sort of thing on Daily Wire video this morning. Here is what I said:
The reason Ellen could never actually be Elliott is because the definition for what a male or female is is defined and established by God and God alone. This is the same God who also defines what murder is, what good and natural sexual desires can and cannot be as well as what marriage is. That's right unless you have a marriage that images what God has defined marriage to be it doesn't matter how much make up you slap on it or how much you publicly parade it and identify it as a marriage, you still only have two boys playing a depraved game of "let's pretend". Gay "mirage" is just that a mirage. Babies do not, cannot and never will have two dads. Daily Wire you are just as Trans as Ellen.
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False. He is Elliot. Full stop.
Wow! So well said. Everything I think you have just said better than I could have said it. Thank you.
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Names are arbitrary linguistic indicators, so she can be called ‘Elliot’ - my two hesitations in doing so are that the switch can cause an unnecessary discontinuity (as a very minor point) and that it is a minor rhetorical concession (though perhaps at the level of implication rather than of technical veracity) to the societal subversion effort.
@@Charles.Wright red herring fallacy. Please stick to the topic.
Elliot is a man. Full stop. Question: would you prefer Elliot use a woman’s or man’s bathroom?
@@Globeguy1337 okay. Thanks for sharing.
Elliot is still a man. I don’t see why the right wing focuses so much on this stuff. It’s bizarre. Why such concern over things that don’t affect you?
The Daily Wire is, at best, (Im using a very appropriate Doug term here) a co-belligerent. Thanks to Ben Shapiro's race baiting, Matt Walsh's attempts to slam protestantism, and this charade if any conservative is paying attention they should want very little to do with them. This is a low point for Jordan Peterson with me though. Ive heard people with far less caliber than he has making a rational case against gay marriage and gay parenting.
It’s a Christ rejecting Zionist shill organization
I love when Doug just sort of goes into gasp and exasperation mode, like "wha, huh;" because it is just so crazy.
Thank you!
Great video! I only wish it was longer!
Very helpful, thank you Doug!
Jordan most certainly went soft on this one.
Fear of man hiding out in there.
It’s basically a free for all and the youth are the collateral
Watched and commented on the original. Made me weep. I believe surrogacy has to be our next ban.
Agreed. IVF in general is definitely people trying to play God or at least to attempt to force His hand. The Lord opens and closes the womb and is the Author of Life. It treats human life as if it were science experiment and a commodity. It's literally a form of human trafficking. Not only that, but IVF pregnancies greatly increase the possibility of complications for both the mother (surrogate or not) and for the baby(ies). Often times multiple embryos are implanted and then later reduction abortions are preformed if the parents didn't actually want to end up with multiples. The rest of the embryos are then either kept on ice (we have no idea the long term impacts for such children), destroyed/murdered, or abandoned by their biological parents. On top of all of those moral issues with IVF in general, surrogacy also strips a newborn infant from the only mother it's ever known. All of pregnancy, a baby learns it's mother's smell, the sound of her heart and her voice, the rock of her movement. All of the hormones involved in birth are designed to bond the mother and the baby together and create a deep attachment. It is an extremely traumatic experience to separate the baby and the birth mother. The surrogate may have concented to subject herself to that physical and emotional pain, but the child did not and cannot.
If you ever wonder why everyone thinks of you as the American Taliban, it’s this.
Banning and restricting the rights of others based on religious extremism / hysteria.
@@aallen5256 I'd rather be considered an "extremist" by the world for knowing what I believe, standing by my convictions, and being courageous in shining a light on the evil of the world than to be spit out by God for being lukewarm, spineless, and trying to be a friend with the world.
“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."
Rev. 3:15-16 ESV
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours.
John 15:18-20 ESV
@@RaeBehrs Well if you’re happy being the American Taliban 🙏
P.S. It’s spelled “extremist”
@@aallen5256 I'm fine with a stranger calling me names and not having any actual refutation to my belief. You can call me names all you want. That doesn't effect me at all. Sorry for the typo.
I enjoy both of these men. Would love to see them together in conversation for a couple hours.
I appreciate daily wire for sitting down and having these conversations. The criticism that it’s not conservative enough or it doesn’t hold conservative values as we’d like to see them is not always the first goal that I see the Daily Wire trying to do. That said I like the ability for Doug Wilson to critique it and point out what he thinks is inconsistent and or wrong
We need to continue to be open to conversations with people that we disagree with.
Dave Rubin does not considering himself a conservative he got kicked out of the liberal left camp. It’s the left that keeps going further and further over the cliff they leave behind their own. I think it’s only good that Dave Rubin keeps getting exposed to a better way of life and gets challenged on his way of life by people that don’t hate on him. But with people that want to see him walk with God.
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It's quite clear why Petersen didn't take as strong a stance against same sex parenting as he did against the use of pronouns.
He's just signed a multi year podcasting deal with The Daily Wire+ a subscription based streaming service.
Does DW require him to hold certain positions?
@@inlonging I don't know, but because he's fairly well acquainted with Dave Rubin, I think that's why he wasn't as direct on criticising same sex parenting. This is also indicative of how he'll approach potential areas of conflict with DW. Before, he was isolated; influential, but definitely isolated, now he's found his political and media tribe which will give him a certain amount of protection. This becomes even more important now he's been suspended from Twitter.
He never took a strong stance on the pronouns. He repeatedly said he would use someone's preferred pronouns upon request.
@@anthonyfava9367 exactly. People really have Peterson mischaracterized.
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Daily wire would be opposing this if there was no Dave on the Team.
Thank you for responding to this video Doug. I listened to Peterson and rubins full discussion the other day and was quite perplexed yet not entirely surprised by Peterson’s views on gay marriage. It was disappointing to hear JP be so light footed and careful with his language with Rubin. He is usually not afraid to offend anyone as long as he speaks the truth, but obviously he is afraid to offend a friend.
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It’s not about offending anyone it’s about genuine societal fair integration. The question Ruben asked was a crucial one, what are we going to do with people who want families and have the means and resources to do so?? Jus let them rot? Not everyone has to adhere to your religion.
Imagine having no mom. Not losing a mom, but never having one.
It's just as devastating for a child to not have a father
imagine not having any parents, destined to live a life of poverty, misery without a family. this is the reality for millions of kids in orphanages. if you are so incredibly stupid and evil to think that this is better than a loving gay couple who would have fought for the right to adopt a child adopting him or her is somehow worse, i can't comment on that
Daily Wire are cowards for not having one of their Catholic or Evangelical personalities interview Rubin on this point. Knowles or Candace would not have floundered like Peterson did, or Klavan would. Keep up the good work, Doug. Daily Wire people are, for the most part, co-belligerents in the fight, but the more you push back when they're wrong, the more (hopefully) of an ally they can become.
9 out of 10 "conservatives" have given up on marriage, making the term lose all meaning. I have a lot of respect for the 1 out of 10 that haven't, though.
we tried to make "slovenly parent" month in July, but nobody was showing up for the parades
I love Jordan Peterson.
However I agree with Doug.
Jordan talked about the subject too watered down.
May it be used for God's Glory anyway. ❤️🙏
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Mr. Wilson you should join their convo