Did a little more digging and found that: -Minimum Level Required to find Reds is 25, not 30 -Item powers pulled from chests is based upon the average of the single highest level item that you have found in chests across all characters for each item slot (Melee/Ranged/Necklace/Charm/Trinket) The wiki's wording was weird which lead to some confusion on my part, my bad!
Wait, across all characters means "with any character" or with each and every character? So if its the average, and i have never opened a chest with lets say, kerilian, that means i have 1/5 less? Or that with one character is enough?
@@darkanayer5867 One character is enough if you still don't know, open something on bardin and get a 300 weapon because I got 300 everything on one other person.
I've played this game for hundreds of hours, and dragged 7 of my friends into this game, and in all my time looking at guides and videos, yours are easily the best guide videos for vermintide 2 out there right now. I love your videos dawg, keep it up!
Just to clarify: Veteran items/Reds can be found from Champion General and Emperor chests, as well as any and all Legend vaults. One can get them from commendation chests too.
Wonder about the drop rates tho, which is where the end game grind in Vermintide comes from. Legend is so much more annoying to clear compared to champ, which is way too easy. Wish I could play Legend for the higher chests without dying in a few hits.
Thank you for this, when I was recently trying to explain how this stuff worked to a friend who is new to the game, I couldn’t remember how it worked, so the timing was perfect for this to come out. Very useful guide for new players.
With legend runs done on all classes(except new elf) and finishing up cata on all the maps, I didn't really understand what those numbers meant. Just make number bigger basically. You make concise and easy to watch videos, thank you.
Well, crap. Here I was thinking the numbers were tied to level, opening chests for my level 30 Saltzpyre wondering why I’m still at 195. Guess I should open those 35+ gold chests I have lying in my inventory. So question: When calculating what to drop, does it go off of what’s in your inventory at the moment, or what you can roll as well? Basically, should I open 5 at a time, or will that hinder my potential progression in power level, even if it’s super minute?
regarding 3:00 Not sure but i think you can also get red items from Champion Chests as well. As long as they are General's or Emperor's. Great video though
Good video but I'm still confused. I'm a new player and my little hero found a halberd. The weapon has 13 less power than her current item, but it has the following traits: armor piercing and high damage. Her current item has fast attacks and versatile. I have no idea what any of that means, or which one to use, so I'm just keeping her current item as the power is higher. I know it probably won't matter because after 1 or 2 missions, it'll likely be replaced anyway, but I wish there was more information about these items and traits.
those are just weapon descriptors. Weapon types are fundamentally different, and the 3 green tool tips are meant to roughly explain what they do. weapon power itself honestly matters surprisingly little, to the point its fine to use a low power weapon if it's attack pattern is better for you
I feel like red items are overrated, since you can RNG max property values on orange items anyway with enough dust. If you got double effectiveness on your trait or something as well, I think that would be a better incentive to try to upgrade. As it is now, red item drops seem pretty rare for me. I've been playing for a long time, and have only ever looted 2 reds from lootboxes.
Do we know the difference in chances for reds between general vs emperors vaults? Cuz it’s a lot easier for me to get generals without having to do quick play
@@labeetas4171 Yes, it has been datamined and tested to be around this Champ General’s: 1.5% Champ Emperor’s: 4.8% Legend Peasant’s: 3.4% Legend Commoner’s: 4.3% Legend Merchant’s: 7.7% Legend Soldier’s: 9.1% Legend General’s: 10.1% Legend Emperor’s: 16.7% (This list is from years ago and I believe they did increase red drop chance since then so add a couple of percentages to each one and you'll have your drop chance)
I know this video is a year old but hopefully this can get answered. If im playing a DLC Career (Warrior Priest) can I ever get red items to drop from chests? And along with that, If I have never had a red item drop on anyone, would I never be able to craft one if I kept playing on Warrior Priest, since I cant dismantle them if they don't drop from Chests.
Bit late, but maybe better than never! You won't get warrior priest specific items from chests, because fat shark is bad at making chests. But you will get items for that character (Saltzpyre), so you could get a red rapier, brace of pistols or whatever weapons, plus you can get red jewelry as well. To get your red WP hammer though, you will have to find 5 reds of any kinds, dismantle them to get the dust and then upgrade an orange hammer into a red one.
So does the Strength potion increase damage or power and what about the Wastes potion Wrath and prophetic strike. I still don't really know after almost 500 hours playing this game.
Potion of Strength just gives you a flat damage increase and makes all attacks armor piercing and shield breaking Potion of wrath is the Chaos Waste's version of a strength potion since it does the same thing (Although i believe it does it by more, but i'm not 100% sure) Prophetic strike increases your actual hero power level, which in turn increases flat damage as well as cleave/stagger
So I just started playing a couple of days ago with my brother and we are already level 12. His item power level is 27 (!) above mine though and he didnt even open all of his chests! You said the item power level from chests cant get 5 below from what you already have. I just tried it with 4 chests and the power level dropped was lower than -5 from my highest item power level consistently. What am I doing wrong? Sorry for my english its not my native tongue and its super late in the night
I misspoke in the video. You can't pull below 5 hero power based upon the average of the highest level item you have found for each slot (Both weapons and all 3 jewelry pieces). It is also random when you pull from chests, so it is very possible that both of you could be the same level but he just so happens to pull much higher power leveled items than you do
Does Item rarity matter? Because I noticed that my blue weapons consistently have better power levels than their orange counterparts. As a new commer to Vermintide II, this makes no sense to me. Any ideas?
Higher rarity doesn't automatically mean higher power. Like I said in the video higher rarity just gets you more properties and a trait (which are super important and arguably more important that hero power)
@@dwarow2508 SUPER late, but just reiterating/rewording what was said in the video: The given recommendation was to prioritize power, but it's reasonable to use/keep something with better rarity (or you otherwise prefer for reasons like attack patterns) if it's within 20 power of your best item.
1:06 false. your current hero power must meet the diff req. you can boost your 1st level hero with high level equipment to raise the HP but the hero has to meet the req. 2:10 not in your inventory. they are based on the AVERAGE of the highest level items you SAW when opening chests/boxes/vaults. 2:47 It IS possible to reach lvl 300 items playing only recruit because your commendation chests are not limited to 100 and you will get them even after reaching max level. But there is no reason to play recruit even if you feel yourself clumsy. 3:07 Players reported it is possible to get red items from level 26. 3:24 You might save emperor champion chests (and all legendary vaults) because of the chance for reds from level 26. As you wish. 4:06 A neclace with close to +20% hp is way better than a bit higher level item with random bonus. A melee weapon with swift slaying or 5% attack speed worth more than a few points in hero power.
Last time I did a little math I was told that people didn’t like it, so for now I tend to avoid large amounts of it. The wiki is still a good source to see the formulas the game uses for calculation though
@@jtcLIVE Fair enough but it's strange when you talk about 20 power difference being your cutoff with no context on what that actually means. Is that 5% less damage, 1 less cleave, etc? I have a 200 power Shrapnel item so that 20% extra damage for 10 seconds (full party) is a known value that could be compared against something like +10% to monsters (just you) or whatever base power actually means. I won't bother you about it. Just strange to leave it up to 'if it's worth it' implying a calculation alongside a concrete 20 point measurement without that context of its value.
@@Terminarch I should've clarified more, but the 20 power difference wasn't meant to be a "once you get to this point you MUST switch", but a "once you get to this point you should begin to consider switching out your item sooner rather than later" Also I do not give context for the power cutoff because (as far as I understand) there is no simple way to give context without going into a deep discussion on how the game calculates damage, (See This guide steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1816101198 And this video ua-cam.com/video/7LGhg6SztCQ/v-deo.html For examples of what I mean) and I do not hide the fact that I don't understand exactly how damage is calculated in vermintide as a whole, only what is directly mentioned in game to the players. From my experience leveling up back in 2018/2019, the power level difference of 20 - 30 was the perfect balance between switching your items out too slowly that you're gimping yourself from your lack of hero power and switching them out too quickly to never getting to benefit from properties/traits all that much If you wanted to get into the nitty gritty details and numbers of how hero power directly correlates to damage/stagger/cleave values that would 100% be a question for j_sat or royale since they understand that more than I do
I thought this was going to be a discussion on the mathematics of how item power and hero power interact and what buffs modify which numbers and how that alters breakpoints instead its a tutorial on basic mechanics of the game. Not to mention some of the stuff mentioned here is not factual.
This channel is meant for newer players and explaining basic mechanics of the game, if you're looking for more complex content then you want to be watching j_sat and royale w/ cheese and the mistakes have been rectified in the pinned commet on the video
Did a little more digging and found that:
-Minimum Level Required to find Reds is 25, not 30
-Item powers pulled from chests is based upon the average of the single highest level item that you have found in chests across all characters for each item slot (Melee/Ranged/Necklace/Charm/Trinket)
The wiki's wording was weird which lead to some confusion on my part, my bad!
Wait, across all characters means "with any character" or with each and every character?
So if its the average, and i have never opened a chest with lets say, kerilian, that means i have 1/5 less? Or that with one character is enough?
@@darkanayer5867 One character is enough if you still don't know, open something on bardin and get a 300 weapon because I got 300 everything on one other person.
And the item does not need to be in your inventory. The game remembers it even if you salvaged it.
I'm curious though about opening x5 or per more than x1. Does it affect the chance to get reds? 🤨
@@toversnoleu8769 Nope, just opens faster and you can scroll through them.
I've played this game for hundreds of hours, and dragged 7 of my friends into this game, and in all my time looking at guides and videos, yours are easily the best guide videos for vermintide 2 out there right now. I love your videos dawg, keep it up!
Just to clarify: Veteran items/Reds can be found from Champion General and Emperor chests, as well as any and all Legend vaults. One can get them from commendation chests too.
Wonder about the drop rates tho, which is where the end game grind in Vermintide comes from. Legend is so much more annoying to clear compared to champ, which is way too easy. Wish I could play Legend for the higher chests without dying in a few hits.
Then what's the point in having red weapons if it isn't hard to get them.....
Such a clear, quick guide with the exact information many people are seeking. Excellent!
Thank you for this, when I was recently trying to explain how this stuff worked to a friend who is new to the game, I couldn’t remember how it worked, so the timing was perfect for this to come out. Very useful guide for new players.
With legend runs done on all classes(except new elf) and finishing up cata on all the maps, I didn't really understand what those numbers meant. Just make number bigger basically. You make concise and easy to watch videos, thank you.
This video is great and can't wait til the next one!
Thank you for your videos! Me & my friends just got this game & are lost with all of these systems that never fully get explained
Your videos have been wonderful, I can't believe I only found you like 2 weeks ago!
Thanks for the video mate! now it's time to open my 221 chests
Thank you ! Def. useful for new players.
thank you for this explanation. I finally understand it
Short and well explained guide, cheers :)
this guide is good will probably watch again 10/10
Really informative, thanks for this!
Great! Thx, exactly what I was looking for!
Now i understand Holy moly Ty vm
Very good video, answered all my questions, and it was short
Tysm! Finally I get to know
nice. this cleared up a lot for me thanks!
Thank you! Very helpful
Well, crap. Here I was thinking the numbers were tied to level, opening chests for my level 30 Saltzpyre wondering why I’m still at 195. Guess I should open those 35+ gold chests I have lying in my inventory. So question: When calculating what to drop, does it go off of what’s in your inventory at the moment, or what you can roll as well? Basically, should I open 5 at a time, or will that hinder my potential progression in power level, even if it’s super minute?
I have this exact question, shame you're the only one who asked and no one gave the answer. might be worth doing it separately just in case...
regarding 3:00
Not sure but i think you can also get red items from Champion Chests as well. As long as they are General's or Emperor's.
Great video though
Thanks been playing for years and never bothered asking about my character s power level
Good video but I'm still confused. I'm a new player and my little hero found a halberd. The weapon has 13 less power than her current item, but it has the following traits: armor piercing and high damage. Her current item has fast attacks and versatile. I have no idea what any of that means, or which one to use, so I'm just keeping her current item as the power is higher. I know it probably won't matter because after 1 or 2 missions, it'll likely be replaced anyway, but I wish there was more information about these items and traits.
those are just weapon descriptors. Weapon types are fundamentally different, and the 3 green tool tips are meant to roughly explain what they do. weapon power itself honestly matters surprisingly little, to the point its fine to use a low power weapon if it's attack pattern is better for you
My understanding was that the power level is -5 to + 10 of the average power of all five of your items. Not just the power of your highest item?
It is the average. He mentioned it in the pinned comment.
nice guide thx
Hi there - has any of this changed in the last year? Just started the game :)
I feel like red items are overrated, since you can RNG max property values on orange items anyway with enough dust. If you got double effectiveness on your trait or something as well, I think that would be a better incentive to try to upgrade. As it is now, red item drops seem pretty rare for me.
I've been playing for a long time, and have only ever looted 2 reds from lootboxes.
Thanks man
What’s the point of gear if you start every game with a random item worth 200 gear power?
So If I were to craft an item, I could theoretically reach powercap by just crafting that one item over and over if I had enough mats?
Damit I opened 10 emperors vaults on my level 27 character just before watching this
I can feel your pain
All vaults as well as general/emperors chests have a chance to drop Reds, so you got plenty of other things to open to get those chances at reds!
Do we know the difference in chances for reds between general vs emperors vaults? Cuz it’s a lot easier for me to get generals without having to do quick play
@@labeetas4171 Yes, it has been datamined and tested to be around this
Champ General’s: 1.5%
Champ Emperor’s: 4.8%
Legend Peasant’s: 3.4%
Legend Commoner’s: 4.3%
Legend Merchant’s: 7.7%
Legend Soldier’s: 9.1%
Legend General’s: 10.1%
Legend Emperor’s: 16.7%
(This list is from years ago and I believe they did increase red drop chance since then so add a couple of percentages to each one and you'll have your drop chance)
Run champion chaos wastes runs for 3 easy emperor chests. They are simple to farm now.
I know this video is a year old but hopefully this can get answered. If im playing a DLC Career (Warrior Priest) can I ever get red items to drop from chests? And along with that, If I have never had a red item drop on anyone, would I never be able to craft one if I kept playing on Warrior Priest, since I cant dismantle them if they don't drop from Chests.
Bit late, but maybe better than never!
You won't get warrior priest specific items from chests, because fat shark is bad at making chests. But you will get items for that character (Saltzpyre), so you could get a red rapier, brace of pistols or whatever weapons, plus you can get red jewelry as well. To get your red WP hammer though, you will have to find 5 reds of any kinds, dismantle them to get the dust and then upgrade an orange hammer into a red one.
@@arthanor9631 This is the exact answer I was looking for, thank you!
I just wanna know how to get veteran gear thank you
So does the Strength potion increase damage or power and what about the Wastes potion Wrath and prophetic strike. I still don't really know after almost 500 hours playing this game.
Potion of Strength just gives you a flat damage increase and makes all attacks armor piercing and shield breaking
Potion of wrath is the Chaos Waste's version of a strength potion since it does the same thing (Although i believe it does it by more, but i'm not 100% sure)
Prophetic strike increases your actual hero power level, which in turn increases flat damage as well as cleave/stagger
So I just started playing a couple of days ago with my brother and we are already level 12. His item power level is 27 (!) above mine though and he didnt even open all of his chests! You said the item power level from chests cant get 5 below from what you already have. I just tried it with 4 chests and the power level dropped was lower than -5 from my highest item power level consistently. What am I doing wrong? Sorry for my english its not my native tongue and its super late in the night
I misspoke in the video. You can't pull below 5 hero power based upon the average of the highest level item you have found for each slot (Both weapons and all 3 jewelry pieces).
It is also random when you pull from chests, so it is very possible that both of you could be the same level but he just so happens to pull much higher power leveled items than you do
@@jtcLIVE Ah okay that clears it up. Thanks!
Does Item rarity matter? Because I noticed that my blue weapons consistently have better power levels than their orange counterparts. As a new commer to Vermintide II, this makes no sense to me. Any ideas?
Higher rarity doesn't automatically mean higher power. Like I said in the video higher rarity just gets you more properties and a trait (which are super important and arguably more important that hero power)
@@jtcLIVE So I still should prioritize rarity over power as long as the traits and properties are good enough?
@@dwarow2508 SUPER late, but just reiterating/rewording what was said in the video:
The given recommendation was to prioritize power, but it's reasonable to use/keep something with better rarity (or you otherwise prefer for reasons like attack patterns) if it's within 20 power of your best item.
thaank you
things have changed
What and how
As someone who was playing on champion, forgetting to unequip the level 5 weapons and charms.
I can say to highly not recommend it.
What does weapon illusions do ?
They are just cosmetic skins for your weapon
I reached 586 in 13 hours but I messed up. I could have reached 600 if I do it right.
1:06 false. your current hero power must meet the diff req. you can boost your 1st level hero with high level equipment to raise the HP but the hero has to meet the req.
2:10 not in your inventory. they are based on the AVERAGE of the highest level items you SAW when opening chests/boxes/vaults.
2:47 It IS possible to reach lvl 300 items playing only recruit because your commendation chests are not limited to 100 and you will get them even after reaching max level. But there is no reason to play recruit even if you feel yourself clumsy.
3:07 Players reported it is possible to get red items from level 26.
3:24 You might save emperor champion chests (and all legendary vaults) because of the chance for reds from level 26. As you wish.
4:06 A neclace with close to +20% hp is way better than a bit higher level item with random bonus. A melee weapon with swift slaying or 5% attack speed worth more than a few points in hero power.
Aww I was hoping for math :(
Last time I did a little math I was told that people didn’t like it, so for now I tend to avoid large amounts of it. The wiki is still a good source to see the formulas the game uses for calculation though
@@jtcLIVE
Fair enough but it's strange when you talk about 20 power difference being your cutoff with no context on what that actually means. Is that 5% less damage, 1 less cleave, etc?
I have a 200 power Shrapnel item so that 20% extra damage for 10 seconds (full party) is a known value that could be compared against something like +10% to monsters (just you) or whatever base power actually means.
I won't bother you about it. Just strange to leave it up to 'if it's worth it' implying a calculation alongside a concrete 20 point measurement without that context of its value.
@@Terminarch I should've clarified more, but the 20 power difference wasn't meant to be a "once you get to this point you MUST switch", but a "once you get to this point you should begin to consider switching out your item sooner rather than later"
Also I do not give context for the power cutoff because (as far as I understand) there is no simple way to give context without going into a deep discussion on how the game calculates damage, (See This guide steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1816101198
And this video ua-cam.com/video/7LGhg6SztCQ/v-deo.html
For examples of what I mean) and I do not hide the fact that I don't understand exactly how damage is calculated in vermintide as a whole, only what is directly mentioned in game to the players. From my experience leveling up back in 2018/2019, the power level difference of 20 - 30 was the perfect balance between switching your items out too slowly that you're gimping yourself from your lack of hero power and switching them out too quickly to never getting to benefit from properties/traits all that much
If you wanted to get into the nitty gritty details and numbers of how hero power directly correlates to damage/stagger/cleave values that would 100% be a question for j_sat or royale since they understand that more than I do
damage calculation is extremely complicated in vermintide.
search 'vermintide 2 damage calculator' to find the calculator, it's in a reddit post.
I thought this was going to be a discussion on the mathematics of how item power and hero power interact and what buffs modify which numbers and how that alters breakpoints
instead its a tutorial on basic mechanics of the game.
Not to mention some of the stuff mentioned here is not factual.
This channel is meant for newer players and explaining basic mechanics of the game, if you're looking for more complex content then you want to be watching j_sat and royale w/ cheese
and the mistakes have been rectified in the pinned commet on the video