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The Commanders who Led the Clone Wars' Most Infamous Unit - Thorn, Thire & Fox Revisited
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Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:35 Background
1:45 The Hated
4:17 The Loved
7:33 The Forgotten
10:37 Outro
There's an even more forgotten commander than Thire in the Coruscant Guard..... Commander Stone who had the honor of serving along side Representative Jar-Jar Binks on a rescue mission to Florum
tbh i like Stone's design over the other 3's because i'm peruvian and his helmet is like 2 Peruvian flags on each side lol (Red-White-Red)
"Honor"
You mean Sith Lord Jar Jar Binks.
@@Redditor6079 Darth Darth Binks you mean
Yo I forgot he existed
We can’t forget CC-5869, Commander Stone. Who had the enormously difficult job of keeping Representative Binks alive. One of the toughest jobs in the Republic.
Binks has dumb luck, *every single time.* lol
And there’s also sergeant hound who’s even more forgotten and I feel he qualifies even though he’s technically not a commander
@@clankers8929 “dumb luck” that’s what he wants you to think!
Stone is my fave clone
@@clankers8929 he’s the Caiphus Cain of Star Wars
“To pick up a barbecued Anakin Skywalker” is the most Australian way I’ve ever heard the ending of ROTS told and I love it
🤣
It’s 100% accurate tho
"ol' mate couldn't stand the heat"
*"Of with ya head mate!"*
shrimp on the barbie
Commander Thorn was a credit to his unit. He’s what all Coruscant Guard should have been.
Agreed
why because he shot things good?
@@nameynamename3758 Because his allegiance is to the Republic. To democracy.
@@bachilles3285 he wasn't though the coruscant guards were the worst
@@nameynamename3758 Key words here are "should have been"
Commander Thire deserves more love, he was probably the only Commander to gain Yoda's respect, him Jek and Rys were the best clones to help show us the good side of the Coruscant Guard. And they were the first clones we saw too in the show, with their episode being the first one to air to TV. Definitely my favorite Coruscant Guard commander, without a doubt.
Yeah even tho he only showed up in like one episode that scene in the cave is one of the most powerful in the entire show that doesn’t involve death
Honestly, I think he may have even been a bit lax with his search for Yoda in order to offer a sort of thank you for saving his life all those years back.
@@jonathantheslow I doubt that because of the inhibitor chip in his head but it's a nice thought to have, especially with how much it'd make sense given Thire's respect and admiration for Yoda.
@@inductivegrunt94 Inhibitor chip wouldnt be the only reason you kind of overheared the fact he work with armand isard and worked on the enhanced Security act. arrest and brutal suppression of seperatist sympathizers, house searches without authoritization ,etc. one pep talk wouldnt convince someone who is a fanatic (Which most clones were) and all jedi are enemies of the state. and from most people of the Galaxy the jedi were traitors and seperatist scum since the CIS leader was a jedi and they tried to make a coup against the republic that was prevent by loyal clone troopers. only the most sympathic non clone soldiers would actually question that and only special clones like arcs and commandos even had the ability to question anything
Thank you ❤️
Coruscant Guards is one of my favorite designs. They remind me of gold fish.
So, they remind you of 🎵 The Snack that smiles back🎵?
@@gehrigstory6674 You eat gold fish?
No, but I've heard the commercial jingle. I would NEVER want to eat Fox, though.
@@gehrigstory6674 yea he'd probly arrest you for treason
Hound? Stone?
They may be frowned upon but nobody can dare say the drip be lacking for the guard.
*Drips aplenty*
Agreed
Red is the best color for clonetroopers
They pass the drip check
You know, if Thorn wasn't a Coruscant Guardsman, would he have fit well under Mace Windu's command? Their philosophies on "Defending The Republic to the bitter end" seems to go well together.
Edit: WOW! 2 years later, and this is perhaps my most liked comment ever! Thank you all for the love.
You mean Captain Keeli?
99.9999% of clones think like this 7-7
For the Republic!
-Thorne while absolutely destroying commando droids and B2 droids
Thorne was a badass! R.I.P
🪦
@@geetslys They were clearly waiting for him to surrender, they were marching towards him without shooting
destroying droids who weren't even trying to kill him, how amazing
@@geetslys you missed stone and hound
Despite being faced with a grave situation, Commander Thorn acted quite well and quick. Even when they were faced with impossible odds, Thorn and his troops fought to the last breath and quite well at that. They really made those droids work for it. Commander Thorn was the healthier Fox. He was dedicated, but not blind with loyalty. He was a caring leader who thought more about how to approach a situation than Fox. Finally, he actually had some level of honor, unlike Fox. Commander Thorn and Commander Fox both got the deaths they deserved. Commander Thorn fought a ferocious last stand and made sure those droids would not take him out easily, while Fox got his neck snapped by the man who probably hated him the most.
Everything you just said was wrong. Thorn did everything wrong. Instead of telling the corvette to launch and attempt to use it's guns to stop the small attack force, he took some of his men to try and open the city doors. I mean, it isn't like he could just contact the city, oh no, he had to force the doors open! Commander Thorn was firing on droids who weren't returning fire. Everyone loves to ignore that they were trying to get him to surrender, if they tried to kill him he would've been dead earlier
@@tk-6967 Look buddy, if I wanted somebody to make a detailed analysis about this and tell me that what I say is wrong, I would have asked. Also, there is one problem with what you said. They were actually trying to kill him because the separatists rarely take prisoners. If they really wanted him to surrender, they would have requested it when he was on his knees or sooner. I'm not going to say that Thorn is a tactical genius like thrawn, but he certainly made some competent moves given the situation. Now I would appreciate it if you would just stop. Your detailed analysis that is flawed and telling me that what I say is wrong really dampens things. You also need to work on your wording of things. Instead of saying that what I say is wrong, you really should have said that there are flaws in what I said. That's all I've got to say to you, since trying to talk to you further will go nowhere. Have a good life
@@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478 🤦🏽♂Whatever
How was he any healthier than Fox? We knew nothing about him, other than his name and rank. Plus, what’s to say Fox wouldn’t have gone out in the same situation as Thorn did?
@@knightmare5097 The answer is simple. Fox was an arrogant jerk and those characters typically don't get honorable ends. As for why he was the healthier Fox, I already explained that.
I feel like the two main reasons people hate Fox were because he killed Fives and he was a big reason Ashoka left the order. If you take a second and think about why Fox did this, it makes sense. Fox warned Fives to stay where he is multiple times but Fives was about to grab a blaster, Fox shot him because he didn’t want to get shot.
Fox also can’t see everything that goes on in the galaxy like we can, all of the evidence made it seem like Ashoka blew up the temple. It also looked like she killed all of the clones too.
I don’t love Fox and I love Fives and Ashoka a lot but he doesn’t deserve all of the hate he gets.
I think what most people have a problem with is foxes blaster has a stun function. Had he just stunned fives before fives had even noticed they were there fives might have survived.
@@tylera9665 true, but I guess he just wasn’t thinking about stunning him, he just didn’t want to get shot
@@quandaledingle4316 if we were talking about a normal person I'd agree, but a clone that's been genetically engineered and not only has 10 years of training but also has officer training should not only have no fear in situations like this but I'd also expect them to be able to make calm rational decisions even in the most dire situations. It's literally what they were all bred to do.with that being said since palpatine wanted fives dead my money is on he was ordered to kill not stun
@@tylera9665 I think Fox had orders to shoot Fives from Palpatine
@@NotNormal654 I said that in my last comment right above this one at the end.
I wonder if Thire ever even considered defecting the Empire, having worked with and been inspired by Yoda and all. I also wonder if he had a hidden motive when tasked with hunting Yoda, which would be to talk to him and hear what he had to say about what Palpatine declared: That the Jedi had betrayed the Republic and sought to take over. Sometimes when you hear something terrible about another, you wanna hear it from them, too. Padmé did this when Obi-Wan told her what he did after falling to the Dark Side. Except in her case, she, unfortunately, realized Obi-Wan said the truth. Palpatine, obviously, did not
he only was a shock trooper Yoda wasn't with him the entire war, neither Gree
It doesnt work like that. The inhibitors make them physically incapable of dissenting thoughts. It wipes all personality and turns them into robots. It essentially kills them. The only way to avoid it is to remove the chip or by pure luck have a defective one. Also working with yoda that one time wouldn't be anywhere near enough. All the clones worked with all the jedi on a daily basis and they still had to go through with it. Thats the point.
The Coruscant Guard were very very much likely to be under the direct control of Sidious. As in quite literally, they probably held no influence over the actions they took. Fox even had a distaste for the Jedi, and that could have been due to being around Palpatine so much, and it likely is, as Commanders took on their superiors personalities in some way, it's only fitting for Fox to unknowingly be influenced by Palpatines alter-ego.
@@azazaz4627, outside of the 501st, 212th, 104th, and 327th, most clones disliked the Jedi, so Fox isn't exactly unique in that case.
The Shock Troopers don't deserve the hate they get. They have a noble job protecting Senators and other dignitaries and sacrificed themselves without question to save Padme. Not to mention they've helped me turn the tide more than once in Fall of The Republic.
TCW and their weird morality they blame coruscant guard because they are """bad""" but excuse the 501st who have another Nickname everyone seems to forgot Vaders Fist. if TCW fanboys think the coruscant guard is ruthless and ""bad"'" they dont know anything about the 501st besides the TCW kid friendly version and even in the clone wars they did many things to get a respected Reputation and it aint because they were goodie to shoes
@@laisphinto6372 yeah, especially considering that the 501st stormed the jedi temple *before* order 66, and the new kenobi show has proved that to be the case.
@@laisphinto6372 I don't think you understand one of the points of the clone wars, it makes us fall in love with clones especially the 501st only to drop the bombshell that they end up storming the temple in revenge of the Sith. They weren't Vader's fist yet and they weren't evil before order 66 and even during order 66 it wasn't by choice they where being manipulated by the chip in their head. Even though I don't hate the coruscant guard I get why people hate them the majority of em never really saw combat and where stationed on comfy coruscant, and they usually acted above their other brothers who where in active combat.
@@evildrporkchop4628
Correct. On top of that a good number of senators were corrupt pos who deserved fates worse than death so whoever blindly protected them was seen as being just as bad. This is why within the Star Wars universe Separatists hated Jedi. Blindly serving the Republic and never holding them accountable for their corruption which from many Separatists perspective was obvious. The irony being that Separatists didn't recognize the corruption of their own leaders.
@@evildrporkchop4628 coruscant was anything but comfy
I think Fox represented most of the guards hard ass MP. While Thorn represented the body guard like role of the guard.
Anyways for how strict the guard is their commanders looks pretty cool.
Definitely one of my favorites.
It's worth noting that Fox, like every other clone, had an inhibitor chip, and he worked directly under the one person in the galaxy capable of activating it. If Palpatine ordered Fox to kill Fives (something he almost certainly would have done given what Fives knew), Fox would have HAD to obey. Even Rex, one of the strongest and most loyal clones, was only able to hesitate in shooting Ahsoka for a few moments. Rex had incredibly strong ties to Ahsoka, while Fox only knew Fives as a raving lunatic who tried to kill his boss (who was an immensely popular figure at the time), had two high-ranking hostages, and was aiming a blaster at Fox and his men. There's just no way, if he was under Orders, for him to not kill Fives.
As for the situation with Ahsoka, even if we disregard the perfectly reasonable reasons to hunt her down (she was a suspect in a bombing with multiple casualties, she resisted arrest, she escaped from prison after (from what Fox knew at the time) killing multiple prison guards, and she was armed with deadly weapons), we also know that Palpatine had a vested interest in removing her from Anakin's life. She was a stabilizing influence in Anakin's life, and Palpatine needed Anain as unhinged as possible for his Sithly plots to work. He would have every reason to order Fox to use deadly force necessary. When Anakin ordered him to set his blasters to stun, there is every chance that Fox was going against Palpatine's orders when he complied.
People forget that Fox worked directly under the Sith Master, who was capable of making Fox do whatever he wanted. It's not Fox's fault that he was a pawn in the hands of a chess master.
Could have been interesting if a story actually follows Commander Fox, especially if he's a soldier that, while following order, is a decent person that thought he was doing the right thing.
no one cares, he killed Fives.
I love that I’m not the only one who looks at it logically.
I’ve always found it funny how people give Fox a hard time but forget that literally every clone was forced to try to kill someone, there was never any choice, the illusion that clones were supposed to have free will was just another way Palps got the Jedi to lower their guard, the sad fact about clones is that they were made to be weapons, they’re all victims by that right.
Fox was just following orders the entire time. Put in the same situation, Cody, Thorn, and (maybe) Thire would have executed the same orders. Wolffe for example, went after Ashoka too and he doesn’t get any hate. Fives was an armed fugitive and refused to surrender. It makes sense why he shot. Fives also had taken General Skywalker and Captain Rex hostage from a certain point of view. Going back to the same situation thing, if Fox was in the position of Thorn he would have done the same thing.
Cody have no longer follow order in The Bad Batch season 2 after he refuse to kills civilians and he rejoin the bad batch and Omega, Even Cody will fight Thire in Coruscant.
@Dragongamer 7 no shit. The Jedi needed her alive for her trial, whereas Fives knew about Order 66 so of course he’d be killed.
@Dragongamer 7 I must remind you that when Fox ordered his men to shoot to kill Ahsoka his perception was : A murderer that could use the Force had escaped and killed troopers. So what did he should have said ? "Alright boys there's a traitor who is not affraid of killing you and is far more skilled than you so please, could you be kind with her ?"
And after Anakin's command his men set blasters to stun.
@Dragongamer 7 “Can't say I blame you, Commander Tano, but all the same, you're under arrest." This was said when she was arrested. Then she escapes. Now she is a criminal for real. She tried to escape the law. Whether or not this justifies the live fire is up to you, but still. The last thing you want to do if you are about to be standing trial is to conduct a prison break.
@@isaacrebellion9893 That’s unreleased content, but either way, I’m going to look at legends which is typically seen in this channel where Cody ends up training stormtroopers
I would love to see another loved/hated/forgotten video like this! Puts peoples roles and ideals into perspective
Sith Lords maybe?
Lowkey hope we see Thire in Bad Batch Season 2, we do see shots of the Coruscant Senate building so who knows.
Cody vs Thire in Coruscant episode.
Honestly I hope Commander Stone is also in Bad Batch Season 2, he completely vanished from the Clone Wars
Turns out it was just the episode where Rampart is arrested by none other than the coruscant guard.
Honestly I found Fox's hatred largely undeserved seeing as any other Clone put in his position. Perhaps alike Rex, he would've behaved like Fox.
I mean what clone wouldn't follow an order almost without question like Fox seeing as he is "the right hand man" to Chancellor Palpatine (A.K.A) the quintessential president of the Republic.
Also the deal with the cleaner droids (assuming maintenance is regularly done) why would he be suspicious if he's done his hundreds of times.
As I understood it, the suicide droids were brand new designs, so the republic guards would not suspect a thing.
Have you forgotten about the whole Ahsoka incident?
Considering clones died in that prison, that were possibly men of Fox, more than likely he was angry over their deaths
Yup
100%
Hey Geetsly’s, there was another coruscant guard commander that everyone forgets even more than thire. Back in the florrum arc the was commander stone who worked with jar jar to rescue anakin and obiwan from hando’s pirates. I just wanted to remind everyone, and thank you for the great content lately.
Another Guardsman who rocked the red armor, yes thank you for not letting us forget our Commander Stone.
What happened to commander stone and commander thire after the empire?
@@icrywhenisleep2130 well, as we know, Thire personally helped pick up Anakin from Mustafar, so he most likely stayed Imperial, and Stone probably did too
I love that you didn’t let him get forgotten. I genuinely feel bad when I forget a named clone.
Thire is underrated he will have a special place for me for being the first glimpse of a sympathetic clone character we ever got
Out of all of the clones Thorn has one of the best helmet/armor designs(only beaten by my personal favorite of Commander Doom and his troops). His bravery and skill was wasted on the Coruscant Guard, IMO he wouldve been more useful as a ARC Trooper or in command of Galactic Marines perhaps
Concur friend, ARC would have been very appropriate for our Thorn
@@clankers8929 Not at all, that guy shouldn't have been given a position of authority.
@@tk-6967 Why?
@@clankers8929 I concur as well friend :)
@@tk-6967 Why??? Tell me one valid reason why Thorn shouldn't have been given a position of authority.
I believe Commander Thire was the clone commander on Kamino in the Bad Batch
Hmmmm... Like, maybe?
There isn't much that should indicate this, besides. We KNOW Thire was on Coruscant when Palpatine had finished his duel against Yoda. Which happened not long after.
So it's possible, but somewhat unlikely. Besides, it might just be a different commander. Hell, the guy on Kamino had a shoulder pauldron, while Thire did not.
@@TheTrytix it had been 3 yrs sooo
And he went from Lieutenant to Commander
Thorn's dying scream is iconic to me, and it shows that these people, and yes they were people, belived truly in the ideals of the republic.
He you forgot commander stone the coruscant guard commander who helped jar jar rescue anakin and obi-wan on florrum.He's the only character who could weaponize jar jar's clumsiness instead of complaining about it, because of stone, jar jar was able to take out the power lines (accidentally) shutting off the power at hondo's base, while anakin and obi-wan were being tortured by him.
You forgot my boy Commander Stone. He was only in one episode, but proved to be a competent and compassionate leader.
The reason fox is the way he is is because he never had real Jedi leadership. COs like Rex, Cody, and others were less serious because they learned lessons from their Jedi Generals
I actually Named my dog after Thire, *because* he's often forgotten, if anyone asks me his name and they recognize it, well there's a true TCW Fan right there. I wish Thire had been a bit more focused on, he got a one episode treatment then disappeared, kinda like Stone too. Thire was one of the first clones we got to see in the show, i hold out hope he shows up again one day
ive always been attatched to fox because one of the first logo sets I got when I was a kid was a droid spider tank that came with him. so he was the first clone commander I really knew as I hadn't watched clone wars enough to know who rex or cody or any of the others were. it devastated me when I realised how hated he is and no matter how much I agree with that I always remain attached to him lmao
He doesn't really deserve the hate anyways. Most of what he's hated for makes no sense and wasn't his fault.
Omg, I’ve been thinking this forever. 100% agree. Had the same Lego set. It must have been from around 2010, I was 10 years old at the time. ❤️❤️
man I always loved the Coruscant guard, They're a very accurate representation of a war time police force. They care about getting a job done and doing it most efficiently regardless of cost. It makes the atmosphere seem so much more realistic.
Thorn is a certified legend, it's a real shame we didn't get to see more of him.
Yoda: Friend, we used to be. A person, you are. Ability to make a decision on your own, you have. Whatever you choose, not mad at you, I will be.
Commander Thire: I know, sir. I wished the circumstances are different. But anyway, good soldiers followed orders.
Cody (he protect Yoda): Thire, snap out of it, you being control by inhibitor chip.
Omega: he tell you truth, The kaminoian put all clone troopers the chip.
Thire: good soldiers follow order.
Cody: Will see about That.
It was perfect to see Cody vs Thire.
@@isaacrebellion9893 cody... was also under the chip sadly unless your its your au
Fox: literally did nothing wrong throughout the show and fans seem to look for reasons to blame him (senators being held hostage had nothing to do with Fox and blame should be pointed at the senate guard/commandos, releasing Ziro was Fox’s only real option to safety secure Palpatine’s and the senators’ safety, and honestly why would Fox suspect some cleaner droids with official ID on a schedule?)
Thorn: we literally know nothing about him or his personality, he could have had a similar personality to Fox or be even worse than him for all we know, all he did was shoot some droids and die, you can honestly replace him with Fox or Thire and they probably would have done and behaved the exact same way in that scenario.
Thire: the original Shock Trooper commander first appearing in Revenge of the Sith, he similar to Appo, would basically be demoted from his commander rank by the writers when he appeared in TCW and overshadowed/replaced by a new clone introduced in TCW (Thire was overshadowed by Fox, Appo was overshadowed by Rex)
Stone: the actual forgotten Shock Trooper commander.
They hated him because he told them the truth
Hated him cause he doesn't know how to set a blaster to stun. Must've forgot like he forgot to tell his men about Vader. That's why he got his neck broken
@@dane8947 keep in mind that happened before Bad Batch and Clone Wars season 7, at the time it was generally accepted that stun bolts sucked with plenty of evidence to back it up, Fives (a trained ARC) could have fired off at least one bolt killing or injuring Fox or one of his men, Fox made the right decision in that situation, if you want to blame someone for Fives’ death blame Palpatine and that kaminoan that drugged him.
@@kingcobra9726 Plus, it’s possible Palpatine ordered Fox to kill him, as taking him alive would ruin his plans for the future Empire
@@dane8947 you really think palpatine would just let one of the biggest threats to his plan be simply captured? He obviously ordered fox to kill him, and even then fox gave fives multiple chances to stand down
Personally, I don't hate Fox. He was just doing his job and following orders. Though I do think he could've checked the cleaning droids.
Thire was one of the first clones I actually saw as a child and I still regarded him as one of my favorites
Commander Fox put a bolt straight to our hearts..... Or maybe just mine....
*FIVES*
Figuratively yes literally just you
@@captainvanghn hi
RIP
Commander Stone!
Yes!
Stone 👌
yea he was actually my favorite after thorne
Thire is a lot like commander appo in a way forgotten because he's not the main commander of the coruscant guard, like how appo is the not the main clone commander of the 501st intell rex faked his death when the venator crashed.
I thought he was the main commander of the 501st after rex became the commander of the 332nd
@@aaronchristanto appo is the commander of the other half since rex deserted. with Vill and bow commanding smaller regiments
appo is actually the commander since rex was always a captain who had only the authority to lead a company the torrent company precisly . appo led the entire legion and rex led the elite company that was attached to skywalker because we never saw rex do much commanding of bigger units on screen he gave his insight to superiors like cody and jedi commanders and generals but not more. given that he likes fighting on the front it makes sense since Captain is the highest rank that is in the frontlines and anything beyond that rank means leading larger units aka you arent fighting usually on the front but instead coordinating the attacks
@@laisphinto6372 actually in the lore appo was promoted after umbara but Rex who yes was just a captain was steel the over all leader of the 501st before it was spit.
@@zebwhitt8056 Ah i forgot TCW retcon i dont buy that especially when there is no commander of the 501st before appo and if you say freaking ahsoka was it let me just say the jedi deserved to die
I loved sgt. Hounds armor design
I love the Coruscant Guard and Commander fox!!
Same appreciate u bro
When I saw Thire for the first time in Clone Wars Episode 1, I could’ve fallen in love. I thought he was super cool, since he looked so different from the other clones. I never forgot him, and never will.
One of the clones who was on Rugosa, Jek, was actually the other clone who attempted to kill Yoda with Gree.
Really? Why would Jek be on Kashyyyk when he was a Coruscant Guardsman? Shouldn't he have been on... you know... Coruscant during Order 66?
@@occam7382 I honestly don't know. I just read it somewhere.
That battlestar galactica clip gets played literally any time geetslys mentions the coruscant guard
I know most people hate fox but I actually liked him and thought he was pretty cool
SAME
Nice to see a fellow Commander Fox fan, CC-1010
Out of all of the clone trooper designs I loved the shock trooper design the most. Sucks that they were basically the militarized police for the empire, but either way I love the look of them along with the 187th legion (mace windus crew)
Fox: noooo you can’t be that individualist
Thorn: haha minigun go *brrrrrrr*
*hammer down*
Yeah. Thorn was a complete fanatic
Thorn went out like a badass
Fox got what he deserved by Vader
Thire earned the respect of Yoda
Thorn went out shooting droids awaiting his surrender. Why else weren't they shooting him when they were advancing towards him?
@@night6724 Fox was doing it to the goddamn letter & too eager to use lethal force unless explicitly told not to. Thorn would have at least have doubts & second thoughts, but Fox would have just pulled everything he was told to without second thoughts. Thorn is a human soldier, while Fox is just a drone looking like a human. Fox wouldn't have been made one of Palpatine's closest guards otherwise.
@@FalconWindblader Fives was a rogue ARC Trooper, a clone that was trained to quite literally destroy countless enemies in the battlefield. He had already attacked the Chancellor of the Republic and fled, and was now holding hostage another Clone Captain, who also was leader of the 501st Legion, as well as a decorated Jedi Master who served as one of the Republic's most accomplished Generals. Fives was behaving erratically, and Fox even shouted for him not to go for a weapon. Fives did anyways, and Fox had a decision to make. Either try to stun him and hope the blaster doesn't go off when he seizes up from being electrocuted, or shoot him and eliminate any further risk to the hostages and his men. He was absolutely in the right to shoot Fives.
As for Ahsoka, he found her outside of her cell, armed with lightsabers and standing over dead and incapacitated troopers. When he demanded to know what had happened, she fled instead of trying to explain it to him. Then while pursuing her, he found more dead troopers, killed by a lightsaber. The only two Jedi known to be present at the time were Anakin, who wasn't a fugitive and wasn't under suspicion, and Ahsoka, who was armed, on the run, and from what he had seen had already killed troopers. Ordering a shoot to kill was logical.
typical fan fictoin non cannon comic on killing off fox for doing nothing wrong grow up fives would have been killed by palpatine if fox didnt kill him stop being a loser fan boy and blame the kaminoens and palpatine for fives death
I really appreciate your channel. Thank you for all your hard work.
There's another Shock Trooper Commander in the series, he appeared only 1 episode and also forgotten by us. He is Clone Commander CC-5869 "Stone"
Commander Thorne was literally one of the best Clone Commanders in Star Wars The Clone Wars. I say we should have seen a lot more of him in the series.
Just wanted to let you know that I really enjoy your videos. You do a great job.
My headcanon of the numerous commanders of the CG:
Fox: head of CG stationed on Coruscant
Stone: head of CG that guard senate personnel. Maybe died/got demoted at some point?
Thorn: head of CG that guard senate personnel. Died on Scipio
Thire: head of CG that guard senate personnel. Promoted after Thorn’s death
Thorn and Thire are the reason i dont hate the Coruscant Guard. I only hate Fox.
You should hate Thorn, he got all his men killed in stupid ways and refused surrender. Proper nazi fanatic type
I wish we actually got to see the Shock Troopers in action more...
btw bc you showed a clip of it I am dusting off my BSG collection for a good o'l 4 season binge(with Razors Edge). Bear Macreary's cover of All along the Watch Tower is LEGEND
I actually like the Coruscant Guard
Same
Thorn was a beast. He must’ve taken 10-15 droids down. He tanked 5 shots before dying. What a legend
I always liked the Corasaunt Gaurd better than the 501st because they look cooler and none of them turn into rebels after the clone wars. I also like fox better than rex because fox was more like what clones were supposed to be originally.
Atleast the rebels treated them good. The Empire just dumped them
I'm the exact same. Fox strikes the best balance between the '03 and '08 clone troopers. And I've always had a soft spot for military police.
i think Thorns last stand was a call back to Fordo's scene during the Battle of Coruscant in the 2003 clone wars show
Fox cared about his men. After "Ahsoka" killed the clones when she escaped, He was mad. Like really mad
Fox really wasn't that bad, all he did was follow orders. I may be biased cuz I love the coruscant guard, but I don't think he deserves the hate
THAT'S the goddamn problem. 'all he did was follow orders'. Just look at the likes of Rex & Wolfe, who's fully willing to question & even snub orders, when they have doubts about said orders, & you'd quickly see why the latter are the fan favourites. Although Fox might have gotten a lot of unjustified hate for what happened to Ahsoka & Fives, the fact that he's one of those by-the-book pricks who's all too eager to bully others remain unchanged.
@@FalconWindblader Fives was a rogue ARC Trooper, a clone that was trained to quite literally destroy countless enemies in the battlefield. He had already attacked the Chancellor of the Republic and fled, and was now holding hostage another Clone Captain, who also was leader of the 501st Legion, as well as a decorated Jedi Master who served as one of the Republic's most accomplished Generals. Fives was behaving erratically, and Fox even shouted for him not to go for a weapon. Fives did anyways, and Fox had a decision to make. Either try to stun him and hope the blaster doesn't go off when he seizes up from being electrocuted, or shoot him and eliminate any further risk to the hostages and his men. He was absolutely in the right to shoot Fives.
As for Ahsoka, he found her outside of her cell, armed with lightsabers and standing over dead and incapacitated troopers. When he demanded to know what had happened, she fled instead of trying to explain it to him. Then while pursuing her, he found more dead troopers, killed by a lightsaber. The only two Jedi known to be present at the time were Anakin, who wasn't a fugitive and wasn't under suspicion, and Ahsoka, who was armed, on the run, and from what he had seen had already killed troopers. Ordering a shoot to kill was logical.
@@brodyking7095 I used to share that opinion. that was until i saw just how EFFECTIVE the stun setting was on dropping the troopers all the same, as demonstrated EXTENSIVELY in the Bad Batch episodes. whatever Fives could have pulled, shooting a live round or a stun round would have made little difference as far as putting Fives down at the moment was concerned. hell, if he did indeed perceive Fives to be that tough, Fox could have just fired a second round instead right afterwards, so he REALLY had no reasons to go lethal.
As for Ahsoka, a shoot-to-kill would only be reasonable IF Ahsoka did actually at least ignite her lightsaber, just like how a real life officer would, or at least should, call for their men to shoot to kill if the fugitive does resist, which means lifting the gun & firing back at the pursuers. the way he worded it, his men were to do their best to kill her as soon as they saw her, regardless if she even was seen with a lightsaber in hand, let alone actually igniting it.
Agreed, happy with the amount of Fox fans in the community
@@FalconWindblader I’m sorry to say, but Fox did what he had to. If he protested, someone else (maybe Thire) would’ve killed Fives and Fox would’ve been imprisoned. Like I said, the military isn’t a place for individual ideas.
All I see is a absolute legendary Chad who has one of the best last stands in Clone wars and brought honor and bravery to the Coruscant gaurd(RIP Commander Thorn), A pretty chill Commander(Thire), and he who shall not be named and if we do say his name...he is known as the bitch who killed Fives.
"He who must not be named", aka, Commander Fox-dmort.
Fives: Exists.
Fox: AVADA KEDAVRA!!! *pew pew*
Who/whatever killed Fox in return: EXPELLIARMUS!!! (You get the idea.)
@@gehrigstory6674 I approve 🤣
@@xdj2a2 I bet that if he got laid, he must've said "I can touch you now".
Commander Bitch (who killed Fives) has a nice ring to it
I didn’t expect a battlestar reference. Awesome
I really love the Coruscant Guard, particularly because they are the first sign of imperialization and also because i really like their red markings :)
So that is name commander thorn finally a worthy opponent are battle will be legendary
What?
Thorn did everything right in the moment... but I have to wonder if perhaps Thire would have been better prepared - perhaps he might have had at least one gunship already in the air merely for security-sake that could have survived the bombing run and thus aided in the ground-skirmish.
We shall never know that outcome my friend…
No he didn't. Thorn had enough time to get the corvette in the air, or at least enough to get it's cannons working. He should've informed the city if he was planning to seek refuge in their instead of telling Padme, because ultimately it made no difference for her
@@tk-6967 the senator was his primary concern, the safety of his men probably a distant second. Communicating directly with the city authority probably would have taken too long and giving the senator atleast some form of warning was enough. I do agree that the weapons should have probably been on standby and some form of security established however given that it was a diplomatic mission, such actions could have been viewed as a sign of aggression, escalating an already unstable situation. I am surprised however that Padme herself didn't have a security detail considering I think there had been atleast one attempt at assassinating her at that point
@@hammer1349 But he could've held off the droids for longer to help the senator by simply activating the corvette's weapons, and I don't mean prematurely, they could literally just turn on the guns with the push of some buttons. It didn't take long for the Tantive 4 to take off, and it was literally leaking fuel and needed serious repairs.
Yesss Thire, such a legend
i could never forget Thire, he was my first favorite clone. you never forget your first. for the republic
I don’t understand the hate for fox, he was just doing his job and in my opinion he was such a badass.
Thorn is one of my favourite clones
I love the courasant gusrd and commander fox! Those dudes in their red gear look dope!
Love the videos
I swear, we didn’t deserve Thorn.
He was a real one. Rest easy, Commander. May the Force be with you.
We may not have deserved Commander Thorn one bit, but he’s the one we needed.
Fun Fact: In addition to the irony of Thire being tasked with hunting Yoda, Jek, one of the other troops that helped Yoda in that first episode, was actually the other trooper that Yoda beheaded alongside Gree during Order 66.
I love how serious the video is and then just “commander thire took a squad with palpatine to mustafar to pick up a *BBQUED* Anakin.”
I’ve been making the coruscant guard officers as custom black series figures and while they were questionable their designs slapped overall
I love Fox, the greatest Coruscant Guardsman
I'd be on your guard, such comments result in a stampede of angry replies. I wish you luck my friend.
*disappears*
@@birdboy1092 precisely why I commented this, hehe
@@landenfisher585 oh you clever sunnuva gun. I like your style!
Every Fox hater out there: It's treason, then.
Or, perhaps, HERESY!!!
The Senate led these commanders.
”… picked up a barbecued anakin skywalker” 😂
From a military perspective, the Guard in their roles are reminiscent of the corps of Military Police, who are largely disliked for similar reasons. Also, here in Australia the MPs are distinguished by their red berets like the decals on the clone armour.
That title and thumbnail is actually relatable. I think Thorn was cool, I didn't like Fox, and I was like "Thire who?!".
What's wrong with Fox bro
@@wsg8283 Fox actively tried to convince other clones to kill Ahsoka after she was blamed for killing several clones.
@@Ganonsmork hmmm Well he was given believable evidence against asoka
@@wsg8283 still....
Ud believe it if u were in his shoes and ddint know ahsoka was innocent
Commander Thire could be better if He in The Bad Batch season 2 or Andor series as the redemption arc, even after Cody remove his chip by AZI 3 and Omega, then I hope to see Cody vs Thire.
Fox deserves WAY more love as was a really good Commander and also before anyone brings up Fives he warned fives fives didnt listen and well died
Respect and big love for my bro Thorne!!!! 🙏❤❤❤❤
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7:27 he also would’ve simply stunned Fives, which would’ve stopped order 66 and essentially saved the Republic
Commander Thire was such a Chad. One of my favorites for sure
I never forgot Thire, I always hoped to see him more in TCW
Clone Commander Thire was always one of my top favorite clones. From that first episode of clone wars, it was because of him I could make a connection with the clones. Gone but never forgotten.
You should do a similar video with the 501st because rex and appo were not the only commanders of the 501st there was also vill and bow.
Thank you for this
I like Commander Fox hes pretty badass
You gotta admit, they got beautiful armour. Love red on white
Thorn is my favorite Clone Commander! I actually like the Shock Troopers/Coruscant Guard, however they are not my favorite unit of Clones.
4:47 Small correction, the Z-6 is capable of firing 166 rounds per *second*, not minute. I assume you misspoke. If it fired 166 RPM, it would fire under 3 rounds per second.
Excellent video!
Great vid, the thumbnail is incorrect though, there's a picture of Thorn instead of Fox
Awesome Galactica reference👌🏿
I always wondered with the way they were portrayed as acting in the prequel movies and the Clone Wars anime if the Guard were not already under the influence of activated inhibitor chips with specialized instructions.
Also, that bit from Adama should actually be attributed to Sir Robert Peel as Adama's sentiment is just a partial rephrasing of his reasons for creating the modern police force as peacekeepers separate and distinct from the military and militarized city guard/national guard in the 1800s.
I personally like commander fox a lot, since he's exactly what I picture of a soldier who follows orders no matter what.
He wasn't just following order for the Republic, he was Hated for Hating the Jedi not even having little respect for them, denied Anakin Acess to Ahsoka, Killed Fives in Cold Blood. The day Fives died was a tragic day but The Worst part was that Fives Was a Elite A.R.C. Trooper meant to be one of the most best Clone Troopers in the 501st Legion Army, he had discovered the secret of the Inhibitor chips including Order 66 which is to kill Rogue Jedi all part of Sheev Palpatine alias Darth Sidious plan in the Clone Wars to have the Clone Grand Army turn against the Jedi no matter how big friends they were to the Jedi have the Clone Troopers Brainwashed programed to get the Jedi Killed, for Sheev Palpatine to gain more Political Power to go from Supreme Chancellor to Emperor of the Galactic Empire. He barely managed to get the truth out telling Anakin & Rex. But worst part was it was Fives old brother Fox that got his little Brother Killed with no remorse every other 501st Legion Clone Troopers hated Fox for that, even Appo new leader of the 501st Legion Appo that was on Umbara serving Jedi Pong Krell, even Appo Hated Fox.
That's the thing he hates Traitors, wasn't happy to hear Sergeant Slick was a traitor, then when he heard Pong Krell was a Jedi Traitor he became more distrustful of the Jedi, then when Ahsoka was accused of killing the Prisoner girl, he believed she was a new Jedi Traitor but was wrong it was Barriss Offe that was the new Jedi Traitor.
Anakin believed him but couldn't do anything about it since his alter ego corrupted within then took control by Operation Knightfall that's what they called in Star Wars Battlefront 2 2005 Mission on Excuting Order Sixty Six in the Jedi Temple, but Rex certainly believed him, Fives then died by Douche Commander Fox, that's the worst part he's a Clone that has no respect for the Jedi, barely respects his non Shock other divisions of Clone Troopers Brothers, him along with most of the Shock Troopers were Cowards, they weren't Military Elite Offensive Fighters more like Military Police Defensive Fighters, they were the Coruscant Guard, they didn't often travel out of Coruscant to other Planets they feared of dying on the Frontlines, they didn't do much fighting on Coruscant they only Hunted illegal Bounty Hunters such as Cad Bane, A.P.B Criminals, Commander Thorn Plus Commander Stone were different but even Commander Thorn died, most Shock Troopers that stayed on Coruscant even Commander Fox were cowards. He hated the Jedi, doesn't take orders from any Jedi Generals not even Grandmaster Yoda, after Graduating from the Training Simulator on Kamino he signed up to be a Shock Trooper Commander but only to took orders from Higher Ranked Clone Soldiers of Higher Ranking Elite Clone Divisions such as Rex of the 501st Legion, took orders from Non Clone Military Personel like Tarkin, also took orders from Politicians, he didn't even care about the Jedi that died for him or his brothers, he enjoyed every Jedi that got Killed before Order 66.
When Ahsoka was accused killing that prisoner lady she was arrested by Fox, Anakin came in defending her, said he didn't care what she was accused demanded he let him in, he then head signaled two Shock Troopers with their shock staffs to come in activate them, the balls he had there, he said Sorry, sir. The Admiral's orders stand. This is now a Military operation and under his Jurisdiction. The Shock trooper on his right he pushed past him. Anakin always hated him during that time. Fox believed she was a traitor, then went from bad to Worse after she escaped got her comm unit, her 2 lightsabers she found 3 dead Clones, Fox saw her near them, believed she killed them, opened lethal blaster fire on her, ran away, told his Shock Trooper brothers to use lethal force, but Anakin plus Captain Rex ordered them not to, only stun.
So when Douche Commander Fox killed A.R.C. Trooper he hold no regrets of killing him, thankfully not all 9 Shock Troopers shot him, only one which was Commander Fox, he had not felt sorry killing Fives not even one in half percent of sorrow he would have joined the sad circle of the 8 sad Shock Trooper around Five's corpse but he didn't he took great pleasure Killing what he believed Fives was a Traitor, so in COLD BLOOD Commander Fox got Fives Killed. That's another reason why many Clone Troopers hated Commander Fox even Rex hated Fox that day.
Thankfully Rex managed to make a Holographic recording of himself talking about the Inhibitor chips for Ahsoka to listen to, then with the help of few Astromech Droids they got Rex's Inhibitor Chip removed.
Fox always hated the Jedi Before Order Sixty Six like Sergeant Slick, plus Commander Faie, Then when Order Sixty Six was Issued Fox participated in the Insane Purge where all crime including Murder was legal against the Jedi he participated in it took great Pleasure in Killing the Jedi, not just men but women too, even children, eventually his punishment came when Darth Vader visited Coruscant when hunting down Jedi Liberian Jocasta Nu, Vader still hated him, later on hunting from another part of the Temple Fox from a Far Distance mistook him for a Jedi open fire, but then realized it was Vader he immediately regretted his action, told his excuse, but Vader did not care for his explanation he forced lifted him, forced choked him, then Darth Vader Got Fox BITCH KILLED.
I love that Thorn was used twice in the thumbnail lol