Cheers Jay, was good to meet you. Having seen how you treated other people's cars with respect you were on a very short list of people I felt comfortable entrusting my car with. If anyone is thinking about letting Jay review their car then I can definitely vouch for him. Top bloke.
I can sympathise with the trials and tribulations you went through with the repair, must be nice now after all that to see your car entertaining us with the story, the sounds etc. Thanks for lending it to Jay. Something Jay did not mention is that this M5 version is the only Bangle 5 series that looked good as the wheels were in proportion to that very slab sided bodywork. It will only get better with time on the M5, not the others. Talking of time, that engine / exhaust note,imagine when most cars are electric in the next few years :D If you keep it to 2025 and rev your engine you will be both on PH and the Daily Mail at once. They will nickname you Jack the V10 gallon hat.....
@@zakelwe Definitely some trials and tribulations, but it's thankfully all gone now. It had been in the works for ages, but was reliant of getting my car back. Once I had it back it was just a case of running it in, making sure any issues were ironed out and then arranging a date. All went smoothly apart from the weather. The Bangle M5 has aged well. Some don't agree, but one thing is for sure, it isn't dull. Hahaha, I doubt I will keep it that long, but when EV's take over and we lose cars like this (in many years hopefully) then life will be a little duller.
@@Dean_cee I've had the car 5 years now and yes, there have been a few issues. Fuel pump failed sometime after this video. I had a pair of split track control arm bushes (design fault of the poly bushes I was using). PLCD sensor failed in hot weather (clutch position sensor). Ionic module failed dropping it onto 9 cylinders. And I think that is pretty much it. I supercharged it in June this year.
130k miles on my E60 M5. Has truly been the MOST reliable car I've ever owned. The internet has been misled by a handful of bad eggs. Although mine is a manual, which means I typically shift before 10000 billion rpms. Possibly why mine hasn't blown up.. Who knows.
What’s your secret on the oil changes? I imagine that you are super diligent so as to avoid the infamous rod bearing issue. But from one petrolhead to another, I am indeed glad you’ve had this experience. Would love to have one.
Edward Willey III I definitely change the oil every 3k miles. I also keep an eye on the oil level as I drive. Uses about 1qt of oil every 1k miles. I just too it off as needed. If you treat an M5 right. Let it warm up properly and refrain from driving like a mad man 100% of the time. You’ll love it!
When you said you were doing a series on iconic engines I hoped so badly you would review the e60 m5. What an absolute monster. Nothing like that will ever Be made again. Pure legend
@R A The only manufacturer of a V10 right now is Audi/Lambo...so he's right and you're wrong. Thanks, not my actual name but just something your mother calls me ;-)
@@aviationlba747 not too bad but you can't drive it like a normal car, I own an SMG and live in MN I only drive it when it's 50F ➕ also on cold don't drive it let it run for 7-9 min. Change oil every 3k miles flush it too, my berrings are still good at 80k miles I did the test. On cold engine don't go above 2.5rpm. In last 7 years and 50k miles I put about 7k in work so not bad. I drove a new M5 wanted to buy it but it's like a fast camry smooth quiet, not my style. Can't beat V10 with crazy shifts
Thanks Jay for an honest & forthright review. I've owned my 2008 E60 M5 for 7 years & I have to say it's the most enjoyable car I've ever owned & I just love the sound of that V10 - it's addictive. Like everything it has it's flaws but overall I think it is an iconic vehicle & one we will never see the likes of again. I think every motorhead should own an E60 M5 sometime in their life.
It is BMW’s flawed masterpiece ... every M5 owner knows it will fail. I have an M6 ... I will purchase this because it is amazing (and I have a thing with being turned down by women when I was younger)...she is perfect
I have a 2008 black on black 6-Speed with only 108,000 miles on it.. I have replaced the Rod bearings and both throttle actuators. So far its running well, beside having to add a quart of oil every 900 miles or so. It’s one hell of a ride. Great video and keep up the good work.
I've got a 2010 E60 with 12K miles, I will change the oil every 3K. Did a track day out out at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana. Only hit the rev limiter 2 times.
My favourite car ever, I've lusted for one for since they came out. But the reliability scares me so much it puts me off buying one. I have been lucky to have been out in a 550+bhp modified one (which broke down whilst I was out in it)
If you factor the cost of getting the rod bearings done if it's higher mileage when you buy it the SMG issue is far cheaper to fix these days, it's specifically the pump motor that fails which costs around £800 to have replaced, far cheaper than the pump itself which is about £3k.
The pump do not actually fails. It the carbon dust that contributes to the pump to stop working, clean out carbon out of the pump and the pump will start working again. The carbon bush residues doesn’t have any way to escape the pump motor once the carbon brushes wears down
Bought the M6 in 2006, never had any issues. Lots of engine problems come from people who don’t know how to drive these cars. Personally i never go above 3000-3500 rpm for the first 10kms. And yes the rod bearing shells need replacing every 120.000kms but so did the ones in the E46 M3 or the E92 M3...all very high reving engines suffer from this. And Vanos pumps go wrong in all bmw engines. Hell Porsche 991.1 GT3 even had to replace whole engines when they came out... so if you treat this engine with respect and give it the correct service on time there is nothing wrong with them. Thing is many of these cars came in hands of young punks who drove them hard from cold start and didnt service them right. For the gearbox, ofcourse it’s not as fast as the DCT’s nowadays but back then it was the best single clutch robotic gearbox there was. Only at low speeds its dreadfull but at high speeds or track these gearbox are nice and hefty.
There we have a person who really own one. I got the M5 E60 I cant think better car to own it gives you the pleasure that no car can match a full package of everything you want in a car. How long have you own your M6?
@@Plisii since it came out, I bought it in 2006, still the first owner...Never had any issues regarding SMG gearbox, rod bearing shells, vanos pump,...The only thing that I can think of is a faulty parking sensor behind when it's raining (probably have to replace one in the back)...have it for more then 13 years...I would say...perfect car...And I don't drive it like an elderly person either, in fact I have been to the Nordschleife with it several times...
Rodger R Very inpressive, I have mine now for 1 year and damn im in love haha. How much kilometers does yours have? Mine just ticked to 90 000km should I change the rod bearings or wait till maybe 110 000km? I change oil a maximum of 3500-5000km never more. And I do the warm up like you said in the comment.
No they don't, high revving cars don't chew bearings like M cars, plus they aren't that high revving. Never ever I heard of a Ferrari, a Porsche or even Mercs have bearingwear so consistent as with M cars. As for Porsche, did BMW ever did a recall on an entire engine for their fuck ups? Porsche fuckd up a cam shaft, BMW fckd up way worse in every single performance engine they ever done after the 2000s. How you pointing a finger at Porsche for doing the right thing for their costumers?
I must have watched every video on the e60 m5 and nothing has put me of getting one mine has only got 12.500 miles and 2 owner car its taken 3 years to find the right one and its going nowhere anytime soon ...GREAT job Jay keep up with your hard work
The E60 M5 is my absolute dream car, I know the gear box is a bit naff, the fuel consumption is probably the worse I've ever seen on any car and they are terribly unreliable..but i simply don't care...ill take this over any supercar. Great video! 👌
The fuel consumption isn't great, but tbh I can get low to mid 20s on a run. The E39 M5 and E55 AMG I had before this were on par fuel economy wise. They can be unreliable, but if you keep on top of them they are no worse than expected. It's a V10 supercar engine in a 4 door saloon. Bonkers back in 2005 and we will never see it again.
What a great review! I picked one up in the US in November. You are right, one has to learn to drive this with the SMG. However, I am glad it was a challenge. Now I've begun to shift better and smoother. This car is just raw amazing engineering! So smooth yet so aggressive. Cheers
What I like about this car, among other things, is its ability to look like a family sedan, while BEHAVING like a supercar. To the automotively naive, that car is an ORDINARY, if pricey-looking, sedan. It is discrete. In fact, like the man says, it can keep up with a hot Porsche! Which is amazing! What a great sleeper! If I ever dared own one of these things, I would rarely if ever wring it out. I just like knowing it's there.
Bless the guys out there who're rich enough to maintain these aging bmws, and unreasonable enough to keep sinking money into them when theres so many more reliable options out there I remember an old UA-cam video of a guy driving one of these, with a manual transmission, weaving through traffic..thrashing the hell out of it on public roads The sound was unbelievable
Had my 2008 E60 now for 4.5 years. No major faults and still love it as much as the day I bought it. Had an E39 for 9 years before but i prefer the E60. The engine is intoxicating.
Yes. I had an E39 M5 in the best colour - Silverstone Blue 😎. Still have the E60. Now had the rod bearings replaced and refurbished throttle actuators.
I always liked the e39 M5, however, THIS is the M5 I REALLY want. That engine is a masterpiece, in my opinion it's the greatest engine BMW ever built. The e92 M3 is another car I'm desperately chasing, they still need to drop a bit more in price though or I need to earn a bit more. A high revving NA engine is the best sound in the world for me. Favourite engine of all time? I really don't think I could choose just one, this V10 and the e92 V8 are right up there alongside the 5.7L V10 in the Porsche Carrera GT. I hope I never have to choose...
There is no doubt it is one of the greats, subjective looks from the Chris Bangle design era, Doug Demuro labelled it as "the greatest car you should never own" I am reviewing one very soon myself, cannot wait to experience that engine.
@J B wow it's odd to hear someone making sensible comments about these cars. They are only expensive to maintain if you are a fool. So true on the "D" mode too, it just shouldn't be there. I think that's the cause of a lot of SMG hate. Just pull those paddles and play V10 tunes like the German engineers intended.
@J B I have a 2010 E60 with 12K mile on it, yea a garage queen but did do a track day out at Fontana, ca. I agree the D is worthless, just use the padels but keep the stereo down so you can hear the engine. It shifts brillantley when trying to go fast. Mine blips the throttle on down shifts too.
This is my 6MT v10 m5 ua-cam.com/video/4WtWlXVMnuc/v-deo.html As a 9 year owner of a Dinan S2 e60 m5, with a 6 speed, and 163,000 miles (and about 300,000+ miles of m5 ownership across the different m5 generations), I can tell you my e28 m5 and e60 m5 are never leaving my stable. As for the steering, monoballs will fix any slop. And a 3.91 or 4.10 will fix the gearing on a six speed. Rod bearings are simply a wear item - replaced mine at 80,000 and 150,000 miles as wear items. Throttle actuators are original at 163,000 miles. BMW gave us a bespoke “F1” inspired engine, you just had to supply your own F1 budget to keep these cars in top shape. Too many of these cars were purchased from under funded owners on beer budgets, that prioritized aesthetic “mods” instead of maintenance.
I owned the 2nd to last V10 M6 ever made , bought from Park Lane London for 106k , it was great , never had anything go wrong , the gear box yes slow , but at least you can feel the gear changes as they bang home in the most aggressive shift mode. It was built really well , the sound was great , heads up display was awesome , allowing you see revs at mph at a glance , buy one , but get a warranty 👍
JayEmm on Cars I was second owner , I bought the car from the sales director from Park Lane for 40k from a guy who used to work with him, he owned Knights Garage at Thame Oxford. It had 19.000 miles , had it for 2 .5 years added another 8.000 miles , sold it for not much less tbf , to the guy who just missed buying just before I did. It was a grey Matt finish , lucky enough to own Porsche 996 Turbo which I have just sold , however got a McLaren 570 GT on the other side of the garage. However I do miss the M6 🥴
Great review! Favorite engine? This is up there, even with its problems. I’d also include the LFA’s V10, the FSI V8 and V10 in Audi’s B7 RS4 and C6 RS6, and the supercharged V6 in Jaguar’s F-Type. There’s surely more, but those are some of my favs.
Couldn’t help notice the M5 Owner’s club sticker, I know how much hustle he had to go through to get the motor issue resolved. I’m glad she is back in the road!
My 2006 m5 has 107k runs like fkn beast 😤 💪 this thing still surprises me and others just as much. I bought it in the pandemic for my enjoyment and possibly a collector item in 2026 when it hits 20yrs anniversary
Nope, this is the last of its kind. Emissions rules prevent it. Everything is fart box turbo and smaller capacity. The 6.2 V8 in the mercs is a great engine but that too is gone.
I’m researching for a first car and I stumbled on a 2008 M6 with 50 000km for about £20k! I’ve always loved the V10 BMWs ever since I was about 4 years old playing Gran Turismo 4 with my brother! The only problem I have with these V10s is reliability and the fuel economy, but I’ve researched how to keep these engines as prime as possible and I feel confident that I can make the engine last. The 2008 model has an updated SMG III gearbox so I feel confident about its reliability as well. As first car I would probably never need another for a long time, as long as it’s alive! The S85B50 is my favourite BMW engine ever!
After watching a fair few reviews, only Jay and a couple others have got the review spot on 👍🏾 the internet so put this car down and its a shame. I finally picked up my Bavarian beast yesterday from Belfast (Interlagos blue) driving to Dublin then from Hollyhead and my my definitely best car i have owned ❤ thanks again mate, 3rd car ive purchased based on your honest reviews 😂
One thing that I think contributed to this car getting the "Bad" reputation is a lot of previous owners were not expecting the maintenance bills to be quite so big... hence the servicing got delayed /missed and eventually the problems got sold with the car to the next unsuspecting owner and so on.. I was lucky with mine as both previous owners maintained the car regardless of cost.. most if not all the problematic items have been replaced with the dreaded rod bearings being the most recent.. about 800miles before I bought the car (approx. 2700 miles ago). As I don't use the car as a daily i'm hoping it'll last a good time before anything major goes bang. As for the Gearbox... it can be a bit lungey when cold and defo doesn't change gear as fast as a modern DCT... but then again, she is 14 years old.
It has stood the test of time better than some of its contemporaries. The 6 series IMO hasn't aged as well, and the less said about the 7 series the better :D
I thought I'd give a little update on the car. It's still running fine, in fact it's currently away being Supercharged. Jay will be getting his hands back on the car later this year for another video.
Dad had one he brought from new back in the day, kept it for 5 years and then it decided to drop a valve. luckily it didn't ruin the piston and had a new head put on it, lucky it was under warranty. Epic car.
Great car to review, it is a dream machine. There is one for sale in Ohio right now with the light grey interior, and it is so pretty. But dude, talk about being scared. As an owner of a 3 series, that does his own maintenance for the most part, I know what the ownership experience is like, and for the M5, I can only shake my head and say, no way, no way, not this guy. Jay, keep those videos coming!
Grate car, I drove one around 7 years ago. The pulling power of this car, above 120km/h , it was incredible, was compared to waking up another engine in it. The gearbox a bit clumsy in town traffic, but outside on fast roads, no problem. Nice and really fast cruiser, keeping you alert on te road, not relaxed as an S 500.
I had one of these. Took it on a driving trip with friends, through Davos (Stelvio Pass) and then on to Germany and took a sprint on the Autobhan - supposedly limited to 155mph I managed to get it up to 173mph (according to the HUD speedo). Absolutely wonderful car. Only problem I had was a pump failure on the SMG gearbox shortly after buying it (replaced under warranty). Main problem was that no matter how I drove it I ended up getting around 18mpg - on the Autobhan I got it down to 3.1mpg
Enjoyed that, would love to try one of these (E39 owner). Small point, the letter in the engine designation also relates to the application. A=Transverse petrol B=Longitudinal petrol C=Transverse diesel D=Longitudinal diesel
Aye, I also had the pleasure of a lap with Sabine but it was at silverstone. Bmwcc invited her over to do hot laps and I was one of the lucky ones to go out with her. The car was Awsome!!
A lot of people really slate the E60 M5 without actually owning one , I had one for 2 years my only car used everyday the only problems I had was a new battery and it needed a wheel speed sensor that was it apart from service costs
Mike Mitch i owned a e39 m5 and the car has been sitting for a longer time then i actually drove it.. i cant imagine this v10 with the bearing and throttle actuator issues.. oh yeah and the smg pump ofc the rapairs are 15% of the cars value
I share a similar first IRL experience of the E60 V10 M5 - as a passenger of Sabine Schmitz in the BMW RingTaxi at die Grüne Hölle back in 2008. An extraordinary memory in terms of both car and driver, especially since her desease
Fave engines that spring to mind.. The old Rover V8 stuck in some of the 90s TVRs, the S2000 VTEC, the Metzger era 986/996/997 flat 6, the Ferrari V8 (of course), the (Audi / Porsche) V10 in the earlier Gallardos, and of course the Lambo V12 and probably the king, the Porsche V10 found in the Carrera GT.
S85 and S65 are the best M engines as side from historic race M49 in the 3.0CSL that built the brand and it’s child the M88 with 3 variations. My S65 is decat and tuned with the best induction and exhaust notes. S85 is on that same boat.
@@ELGlueckert the bearings are copper iirc. The white metal (as it is known) is the coating. All bearings are plagued by the lack of lead, but it is really is the small clearance that causes the issue. BMW needed to use twice the clearance that they have.
@@chrisg4rr377 true, in fact I have recently read about an owner of an F10 M5 who thrashes it from cold! No mechanical sympathy and he didn't know that he needs to let it warm up. Apparently he has treated all of his cars that way! People buy performance cars and know very little about them these days.
Man that was a brisk, entertaining and knowledgeable video on a car Im literally about to buy. Thanks for making my mind up to get one ahaha, you earned a new sub!
Excellent video, I own an M6 and I think you're a little too harsh on the SMG though, also the E46 M3 CSL was the first BMW to get a carbon roof, not the M6. In fact BMW took the idea of the M3 CSL and replicated a bit of it into the M6, that's why it's 1710 kilos and two fully grown adults lighter than an M5
exactly, I drove plenty of sportcars back then and in fact together with the f1 gearbox in the F430 scuderia this was the best single clutch robotic gearbox there was. Ofcourse DCT of DSG gearboxes are better now but dont forget this was the beginning of putting special auto gearboxes in sportscars back then. If you drive a Porsche c2 auto from back then that was a normal auto gearbox, also dreadfull. And the SMG when you drive it hard is very nice...only in town at low speeds its dreadfull
@@rroosenFB yes, they don't like slow speeds. When I took my car on the autobahn it was like releasing a dog from the leash, they are at their best on an open Road. I find that most people that do not like the SMG just do not understand the mechanical side of it. Ayrton Senna hated flappy Paddle gearboxes with a passion. However if he had to drive one he would much prefer a mechanical gearbox and clutch that you can work with, and not today's DSG S, which are very good but have no driver input at all, just like a full blown automatic
@@JacesOwnWorld well compared to a Mark 7 golf it does suck. Look, I'm not saying it's the best gearbox in the world, it's just a very mechanical feel , driver input feedback on the car and you have to work with the car and some of us oldies like that , including the great Ayrton Senna. Driver skills are needed less and less these days, first ABS, then Traction Control, the list of electronic toys that help a drive now has taken away some driver skills.
All new cars coming out of Germany are all the same, sound similar to an asthmatic donkey having a coughing fit, the exhaust are all tuned with fake pops / bangs mapped with sounds coming from the speakers, rather than the engine. Classic BMWs are the sweet spot pre turbo era. Excellent content JayEmm.
they build what people want. this new generation is all about a synthetic experience because they have no eye what lies beneath their smartphone screen
I used to own an e60 M5 and think it is the best car £ for £ I have ever owned (I bought it in 2014 for £24k). I think the E60 is by far the most interesting, surprising, eventful and shocking super saloon ever made. It sounded unbelievable, drove like a supercar and was comfortable. I adored it. The gearbox was terrible at slow speeds. The gearbox was embarrassing for me because I parked the M5 in an underground car park with an exit ramp that looked like the front end of the Ark Royal. However the gearbox was great fun when giving it the beans. I would have an e60 M5 in my perfect garage. Genuinely there will never be another.
@@darrenpitts4521 That is a spooky coincidence. M5 was black with champagne interior with carrera olive wood. I live in uk so any wood trim in an M5 is very very rare.
Very professional video Jay, thanks for posting. When you as ask at the end about favourite engines, I would nominate the VW 5 cylinder 170bhp lump from a VW Golf V5 I owned between 2004-2007. It made an excellent noise and was very characterful.
Jay you should try the audi S8 v10 from the same period, this is a fabulous underrated car, probably not quite as sporty but a much nicer gearbox and a better overall package in my view. I bought it because it was the forerunner engine which went into the Lambo gallardo and Audi R8 eventually. Obviously detuned... but the torque was kept up to cater for the weight. I had air suspension and soft close doors, both proved to be really good features and I thought it wouldn't handle, given its size, but the quattro mechanical grip took care of everything... a poor mans Bentley or Rolls with a lot more sports appeal. I moved onto the RS6 avant after this... given the choice I might by the current Bentley flying spur once they depreciate somewhat.... given it's a nicer S8 underneath....
I'm sorry to piss in your chips but the v10 in the Audi S6/S8 bears no resemblance to the v10 in the Lamborghini. This is a myth that has been debunked. The Audi V10 isn't without its issues, coking up is a big issue and loses power and the gearbox is also known to break. I do like the S8 V10 and did consider one seriously at one point, but the way Audi package their engines in their cars put me off as a lot of jobs can be engine out. Lots of money.
@@jackthehat8593 that's not problem, luckily I never had a single issue in 4 years of ownership..I would luv to read the links and stuff where you got the info from if you can post it here...?? Touch wood all the cars I have owned have always given very little trouble.... accept a couple of very old cheap datsuns.... one of which had literally spent its life on a major building site.... so it's probably not fair to any car... to count that.
Great review of a great car, I can confirm from experience that he'll be returning around 7-8 mpg here if he's lucky the way he's driving. Here in the UK that makes the M5 and M6 both garage queens as they're just too expensive to use as an everyday car. One criticism,.....he never mentioned the electrical gremlins these suffer, once a sensor fails you have other sensors failing in sympathy and before long you have a dashboard that resembles a christmas tree and a diagnostic report longer than those 10 cylinders ahead of you.
I have a manual M6 with 37k miles. I’m in the US if you want to make the trip. It’s an extremely rare car at this point, rarer than almost all exotics in its manual form. It is just ridiculous when straight piped.
JayEmm on Cars Columbia, MO. It’s a college town where the University of Missouri is. There’s a direct flight in from Chicago. The video I put up is just an iPhone suction cupped to the passenger window. It sounds pornographic in real life.
Absolutely brilliant revue of a superb car. Well done Jay, the M5 was my dream until I was offered an M6, dream come true plus, and then things started to go wrong BUT maybe I had a bad one BUT I would still recommend either of these wonderful cars to anyone, the M5 if you have family or friends and the M6 for styling, the drive in both phenomenal, just buy right, that is the main issue!
I was getting my car serviced at my local BMW specialist and got talking to one of the mechanics about M cars. He told me one of his other customers had brought in an E60 M5 after only two weeks of ownership due to an engine fault. The bill? £4500.
Jay, as for your style of reporting I am especially drawn to listen to your views as they come from a place of knowledge over scripting. That and that you 'seem to drive alone' (no other person in the car is often highlighted) means that I feel I am the only passenger. Someone will mentioned the famous reviewer with the initials JC and I find it hard to watch him. I do not care for big ego drama that many reviewers dish out. You are calibrated just right. Glad I found you recently when looking at some McLaren. Man, I have been missing out on a lot, need to catch up now.
Agreed. There is no way they could do it now. Especially with the EPA here in the U>S . The regulators in all the big countries don't like them. Luckily I'll be getting an 2006 M5 tomorrow. I have great plans for it. I believe they did the car wrong with the 3.62 diff box. It should have been 3.78-3.84ish. Or... just slap on a supercharger and put an 3.52ish diff on it for the SMG sake.
The E60 M5 is special and possesses amazing styling. Unfortunately, most people can't afford to keep it in top shape and eventually, it ends up in the scrap heap.
Cheers Jay, was good to meet you. Having seen how you treated other people's cars with respect you were on a very short list of people I felt comfortable entrusting my car with.
If anyone is thinking about letting Jay review their car then I can definitely vouch for him. Top bloke.
I can sympathise with the trials and tribulations you went through with the repair, must be nice now after all that to see your car entertaining us with the story, the sounds etc. Thanks for lending it to Jay.
Something Jay did not mention is that this M5 version is the only Bangle 5 series that looked good as the wheels were in proportion to that very slab sided bodywork. It will only get better with time on the M5, not the others.
Talking of time, that engine / exhaust note,imagine when most cars are electric in the next few years :D If you keep it to 2025 and rev your engine you will be both on PH and the Daily Mail at once.
They will nickname you Jack the V10 gallon hat.....
@@zakelwe Definitely some trials and tribulations, but it's thankfully all gone now.
It had been in the works for ages, but was reliant of getting my car back. Once I had it back it was just a case of running it in, making sure any issues were ironed out and then arranging a date. All went smoothly apart from the weather.
The Bangle M5 has aged well. Some don't agree, but one thing is for sure, it isn't dull.
Hahaha, I doubt I will keep it that long, but when EV's take over and we lose cars like this (in many years hopefully) then life will be a little duller.
sounds bloody good that!
@@jackthehat8593have you had any problems after 4 years?
@@Dean_cee I've had the car 5 years now and yes, there have been a few issues.
Fuel pump failed sometime after this video.
I had a pair of split track control arm bushes (design fault of the poly bushes I was using).
PLCD sensor failed in hot weather (clutch position sensor).
Ionic module failed dropping it onto 9 cylinders.
And I think that is pretty much it. I supercharged it in June this year.
130k miles on my E60 M5. Has truly been the MOST reliable car I've ever owned. The internet has been misled by a handful of bad eggs. Although mine is a manual, which means I typically shift before 10000 billion rpms. Possibly why mine hasn't blown up.. Who knows.
The manuals are 5000000000x more reliable, most of the issues are with the transmission or a result of the auto :)
Most problems come from vanos
What’s your secret on the oil changes? I imagine that you are super diligent so as to avoid the infamous rod bearing issue. But from one petrolhead to another, I am indeed glad you’ve had this experience. Would love to have one.
What's your cars model year? Is it one of the late models?
Edward Willey III I definitely change the oil every 3k miles. I also keep an eye on the oil level as I drive. Uses about 1qt of oil every 1k miles. I just too it off as needed. If you treat an M5 right. Let it warm up properly and refrain from driving like a mad man 100% of the time. You’ll love it!
When you said you were doing a series on iconic engines I hoped so badly you would review the e60 m5. What an absolute monster. Nothing like that will ever Be made again. Pure legend
@R A He's spot on wth are you on about?
@R A The only manufacturer of a V10 right now is Audi/Lambo...so he's right and you're wrong. Thanks, not my actual name but just something your mother calls me ;-)
@R A The BMW V10 won Engine of the Year...twice. Your opinion = fail.
@R A Keep biting bitch :-D
@R A Jeremy Clarkson said it was the best car he's ever driven...Jeremy Clarkson > You and your dirty mother
Im simple man, i see E60 M5 i click
Same
Bmw is also for simple man....same as rollsroyce...porche...pagani.. etc...bro
@@waheedaazize7911 no i like this car for sound and rpms
@@ristekostadinov2820 yu'v 4get abt comfort...
@@waheedaazize7911 I've something that is more unique for bmw, everybody knows about how comfortable bmw are even entry models.
I've owned one for 7 years now... I can't sell it. Love it❤️
How reliable has it been?
@@aviationlba747 not too bad but you can't drive it like a normal car, I own an SMG and live in MN I only drive it when it's 50F ➕ also on cold don't drive it let it run for 7-9 min. Change oil every 3k miles flush it too, my berrings are still good at 80k miles I did the test. On cold engine don't go above 2.5rpm. In last 7 years and 50k miles I put about 7k in work so not bad. I drove a new M5 wanted to buy it but it's like a fast camry smooth quiet, not my style. Can't beat V10 with crazy shifts
Wow that’s quite impressive! And indeed the V10 is just glorious! Thanks for the reply.
Yo please tell me everything. I may get one in a month.
I have mine since 2012. Although having had later F then G even being a Merc E63s owner I still won't get rid of the v10 E60!
Thanks Jay for an honest & forthright review. I've owned my 2008 E60 M5 for 7 years & I have to say it's the most enjoyable car I've ever owned & I just love the sound of that V10 - it's addictive. Like everything it has it's flaws but overall I think it is an iconic vehicle & one we will never see the likes of again. I think every motorhead should own an E60 M5 sometime in their life.
I'm only here because I experienced a flyby of one yesterday at a small car park and it scared the absolute shit out of everyone
Sabine R.I.P. gonna miss you.
LFA and E60 M5, best sounding cars ever manufactured.
Except one is good.
No, both are good! Not even good... amazing!
Wrong the LFA the last gen Viper and the E60 M5 also the Audi S6 which isn't that good but a honorable mention
Busso V6 too 😉
Carrera GT joins the conversation.....
Most V10’s sound amazing. Personal favourite has to be the Lexus LFA followed by the E60 M5
Carrera GT after the LFA for me.
1st gen Gallardo Superleggera is probably my favourite.
Yes LFA and E60 M5 are my two favorites too
Dodge Vipers sound a bit meh
mine is the ferrari f2004
God rest the Queen of the Ring!
It is BMW’s flawed masterpiece ... every M5 owner knows it will fail. I have an M6 ... I will purchase this because it is amazing (and I have a thing with being turned down by women when I was younger)...she is perfect
Really enjoyed this video. Love when people still show the v10 m5 and m6’s love
I have a 2008 black on black 6-Speed with only 108,000 miles on it.. I have replaced the Rod bearings and both throttle actuators. So far its running well, beside having to add a quart of oil every 900 miles or so. It’s one hell of a ride. Great video and keep up the good work.
I've got a 2010 E60 with 12K miles, I will change the oil every 3K. Did a track day out out at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana. Only hit the rev limiter 2 times.
It burns slightly less oil than my old Impreza, that's genuinely impressive given the engines reputation
I come back to this video at least once a year and it never gets old
My favourite car ever, I've lusted for one for since they came out. But the reliability scares me so much it puts me off buying one. I have been lucky to have been out in a 550+bhp modified one (which broke down whilst I was out in it)
If you factor the cost of getting the rod bearings done if it's higher mileage when you buy it the SMG issue is far cheaper to fix these days, it's specifically the pump motor that fails which costs around £800 to have replaced, far cheaper than the pump itself which is about £3k.
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I had my rod bearings done for £1,250 and refurbished throttle actuators for £600. Hardly breaking the bank cost.
The pump do not actually fails. It the carbon dust that contributes to the pump to stop working, clean out carbon out of the pump and the pump will start working again. The carbon bush residues doesn’t have any way to escape the pump motor once the carbon brushes wears down
Bought the M6 in 2006, never had any issues. Lots of engine problems come from people who don’t know how to drive these cars. Personally i never go above 3000-3500 rpm for the first 10kms. And yes the rod bearing shells need replacing every 120.000kms but so did the ones in the E46 M3 or the E92 M3...all very high reving engines suffer from this. And Vanos pumps go wrong in all bmw engines. Hell Porsche 991.1 GT3 even had to replace whole engines when they came out... so if you treat this engine with respect and give it the correct service on time there is nothing wrong with them. Thing is many of these cars came in hands of young punks who drove them hard from cold start and didnt service them right.
For the gearbox, ofcourse it’s not as fast as the DCT’s nowadays but back then it was the best single clutch robotic gearbox there was. Only at low speeds its dreadfull but at high speeds or track these gearbox are nice and hefty.
You’re 100% right chief 👍
There we have a person who really own one. I got the M5 E60 I cant think better car to own it gives you the pleasure that no car can match a full package of everything you want in a car. How long have you own your M6?
@@Plisii since it came out, I bought it in 2006, still the first owner...Never had any issues regarding SMG gearbox, rod bearing shells, vanos pump,...The only thing that I can think of is a faulty parking sensor behind when it's raining (probably have to replace one in the back)...have it for more then 13 years...I would say...perfect car...And I don't drive it like an elderly person either, in fact I have been to the Nordschleife with it several times...
Rodger R Very inpressive, I have mine now for 1 year and damn im in love haha. How much kilometers does yours have? Mine just ticked to 90 000km should I change the rod bearings or wait till maybe 110 000km? I change oil a maximum of 3500-5000km never more. And I do the warm up like you said in the comment.
No they don't, high revving cars don't chew bearings like M cars, plus they aren't that high revving. Never ever I heard of a Ferrari, a Porsche or even Mercs have bearingwear so consistent as with M cars.
As for Porsche, did BMW ever did a recall on an entire engine for their fuck ups? Porsche fuckd up a cam shaft, BMW fckd up way worse in every single performance engine they ever done after the 2000s.
How you pointing a finger at Porsche for doing the right thing for their costumers?
I must have watched every video on the e60 m5 and nothing has put me of getting one mine has only got 12.500 miles and 2 owner car its taken 3 years to find the right one and its going nowhere anytime soon ...GREAT job Jay keep up with your hard work
The E60 M5 is my absolute dream car, I know the gear box is a bit naff, the fuel consumption is probably the worse I've ever seen on any car and they are terribly unreliable..but i simply don't care...ill take this over any supercar. Great video! 👌
The fuel consumption isn't great, but tbh I can get low to mid 20s on a run. The E39 M5 and E55 AMG I had before this were on par fuel economy wise.
They can be unreliable, but if you keep on top of them they are no worse than expected. It's a V10 supercar engine in a 4 door saloon. Bonkers back in 2005 and we will never see it again.
Not only a great review of this car, but I also enjoyed the scenery- all those glorious walls & buildings
What a great review! I picked one up in the US in November. You are right, one has to learn to drive this with the SMG. However, I am glad it was a challenge. Now I've begun to shift better and smoother. This car is just raw amazing engineering! So smooth yet so aggressive. Cheers
That V10! Wow! 😀
What I like about this car, among other things, is its ability to look like a family sedan, while BEHAVING like a supercar. To the automotively naive, that car is an ORDINARY, if pricey-looking, sedan. It is discrete. In fact, like the man says, it can keep up with a hot Porsche! Which is amazing! What a great sleeper! If I ever dared own one of these things, I would rarely if ever wring it out. I just like knowing it's there.
I bought one knowing it was a sleeper so the cops would not pick me out of the crowd.
I've got a V10 M6 for sale in Guildford it's on auto trader £17995 blue 51000 miles full BMW warranty , it's a great car owned it for 4 years now
wow, good for you. why dont you fuck off and post that shit elsewhere? have a good one, you imbecile.
@@leviathan5207 smashed it
@@leviathan5207 Wow.. someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed didn't they?!?
@@leviathan5207 LOL, why so angry?
RS2002 thank you 😊
Bless the guys out there who're rich enough to maintain these aging bmws, and unreasonable enough to keep sinking money into them when theres so many more reliable options out there
I remember an old UA-cam video of a guy driving one of these, with a manual transmission, weaving through traffic..thrashing the hell out of it on public roads
The sound was unbelievable
That engine note is like music, it's beautiful. Love to have one if someone else pays for the upkeep 😃
Had my 2008 E60 now for 4.5 years. No major faults and still love it as much as the day I bought it. Had an E39 for 9 years before but i prefer the E60. The engine is intoxicating.
Hi Robin, did you have an E39 M5?
He literally said that in the video...
Yes. I had an E39 M5 in the best colour - Silverstone Blue 😎. Still have the E60. Now had the rod bearings replaced and refurbished throttle actuators.
I always liked the e39 M5, however, THIS is the M5 I REALLY want. That engine is a masterpiece, in my opinion it's the greatest engine BMW ever built. The e92 M3 is another car I'm desperately chasing, they still need to drop a bit more in price though or I need to earn a bit more.
A high revving NA engine is the best sound in the world for me.
Favourite engine of all time? I really don't think I could choose just one, this V10 and the e92 V8 are right up there alongside the 5.7L V10 in the Porsche Carrera GT.
I hope I never have to choose...
E63, E64, or F13 M6?
V10 power baby!
Ah, Ring Taxi with Sabine Schmitz... You lucky you. Wish she could do more of it. Alas, it wasn't going to happen, was it...
There is no doubt it is one of the greats, subjective looks from the Chris Bangle design era, Doug Demuro labelled it as "the greatest car you should never own"
I am reviewing one very soon myself, cannot wait to experience that engine.
It's no fun if you don't own one.
@R A I cannot comment, I have not watched his video on the M5.
@J B Sure, I will be reviewing one this month and they lad who bought it had to spend a little more than $300 to repair it, facts incoming.
@J B wow it's odd to hear someone making sensible comments about these cars. They are only expensive to maintain if you are a fool. So true on the "D" mode too, it just shouldn't be there. I think that's the cause of a lot of SMG hate. Just pull those paddles and play V10 tunes like the German engineers intended.
@J B I have a 2010 E60 with 12K mile on it, yea a garage queen but did do a track day out at Fontana, ca. I agree the D is worthless, just use the padels but keep the stereo down so you can hear the engine. It shifts brillantley when trying to go fast. Mine blips the throttle on down shifts too.
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As a 9 year owner of a Dinan S2 e60 m5, with a 6 speed, and 163,000 miles (and about 300,000+ miles of m5 ownership across the different m5 generations), I can tell you my e28 m5 and e60 m5 are never leaving my stable.
As for the steering, monoballs will fix any slop. And a 3.91 or 4.10 will fix the gearing on a six speed. Rod bearings are simply a wear item - replaced mine at 80,000 and 150,000 miles as wear items. Throttle actuators are original at 163,000 miles. BMW gave us a bespoke “F1” inspired engine, you just had to supply your own F1 budget to keep these cars in top shape. Too many of these cars were purchased from under funded owners on beer budgets, that prioritized aesthetic “mods” instead of maintenance.
Truly too many BMW's are taken in expected to survive beer budgets. It is a terrible idea.
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Had one for 3 years and loved it. Yes it was awful on fuel but it was oh so special.
I owned the 2nd to last V10 M6 ever made , bought from Park Lane London for 106k , it was great , never had anything go wrong , the gear box yes slow , but at least you can feel the gear changes as they bang home in the most aggressive shift mode.
It was built really well , the sound was great , heads up display was awesome , allowing you see revs at mph at a glance , buy one , but get a warranty 👍
106k ouch
JayEmm on Cars I was second owner , I bought the car from the sales director from Park Lane for 40k from a guy who used to work with him, he owned Knights Garage at Thame Oxford.
It had 19.000 miles , had it for 2 .5 years added another 8.000 miles , sold it for not much less tbf , to the guy who just missed buying just before I did.
It was a grey Matt finish , lucky enough to own Porsche 996 Turbo which I have just sold , however got a McLaren 570 GT on the other side of the garage. However I do miss the M6 🥴
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Love it. Always wanted one and they’re possibly the best looking M car for me. Just the petrol puts me off
They can be ok on a run. I've covered 200 miles to just over half a tank before. The problem with these is the small tank.
I do about 300 miles a week though mainly a roads
@@2702simmo filling up often then. Just cover over 200 miles today, didnt miss a beat and still used no oil.
My tank is empty after 260km.
@@Lol777gvf driving it spiritedly I hope!
Great review! Favorite engine? This is up there, even with its problems. I’d also include the LFA’s V10, the FSI V8 and V10 in Audi’s B7 RS4 and C6 RS6, and the supercharged V6 in Jaguar’s F-Type. There’s surely more, but those are some of my favs.
I agree with all of these
The v8 in the E9x is a peach, the M5 V10 with a couple of cylinders chopped off. I loved my M3, just so flaky build quality.
That front lip spoils the front end for me. Looks too fussy, I much prefer it without.
I'm hoping to remove it soon, just not easy with the way it was bonded on.
Couldn’t help notice the M5 Owner’s club sticker, I know how much hustle he had to go through to get the motor issue resolved. I’m glad she is back in the road!
I'm not a member there any more....
My 2006 m5 has 107k runs like fkn beast 😤 💪 this thing still surprises me and others just as much. I bought it in the pandemic for my enjoyment and possibly a collector item in 2026 when it hits 20yrs anniversary
This ///M5 is the Pinnacle of BMW performance.
Will we ever see an engine like that in a 4 door sedan...😭😭😭😭
Nope, this is the last of its kind. Emissions rules prevent it. Everything is fart box turbo and smaller capacity. The 6.2 V8 in the mercs is a great engine but that too is gone.
Good job tbf
I’m researching for a first car and I stumbled on a 2008 M6 with 50 000km for about £20k! I’ve always loved the V10 BMWs ever since I was about 4 years old playing Gran Turismo 4 with my brother! The only problem I have with these V10s is reliability and the fuel economy, but I’ve researched how to keep these engines as prime as possible and I feel confident that I can make the engine last. The 2008 model has an updated SMG III gearbox so I feel confident about its reliability as well. As first car I would probably never need another for a long time, as long as it’s alive! The S85B50 is my favourite BMW engine ever!
After watching a fair few reviews, only Jay and a couple others have got the review spot on 👍🏾 the internet so put this car down and its a shame. I finally picked up my Bavarian beast yesterday from Belfast (Interlagos blue) driving to Dublin then from Hollyhead and my my definitely best car i have owned ❤ thanks again mate, 3rd car ive purchased based on your honest reviews 😂
One thing that I think contributed to this car getting the "Bad" reputation is a lot of previous owners were not expecting the maintenance bills to be quite so big... hence the servicing got delayed /missed and eventually the problems got sold with the car to the next unsuspecting owner and so on.. I was lucky with mine as both previous owners maintained the car regardless of cost.. most if not all the problematic items have been replaced with the dreaded rod bearings being the most recent.. about 800miles before I bought the car (approx. 2700 miles ago). As I don't use the car as a daily i'm hoping it'll last a good time before anything major goes bang. As for the Gearbox... it can be a bit lungey when cold and defo doesn't change gear as fast as a modern DCT... but then again, she is 14 years old.
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the bangle 5 series aged so well..looks like a '19 car
It has stood the test of time better than some of its contemporaries. The 6 series IMO hasn't aged as well, and the less said about the 7 series the better :D
I thought I'd give a little update on the car.
It's still running fine, in fact it's currently away being Supercharged. Jay will be getting his hands back on the car later this year for another video.
Aaaaaaaand, it's now supercharged!
I owned an E39 M5 and an F10 M5 - both brilliant cars, but sadly have never even driven one of these.
Dad had one he brought from new back in the day, kept it for 5 years and then it decided to drop a valve. luckily it didn't ruin the piston and had a new head put on it, lucky it was under warranty. Epic car.
Great car to review, it is a dream machine. There is one for sale in Ohio right now with the light grey interior, and it is so pretty. But dude, talk about being scared. As an owner of a 3 series, that does his own maintenance for the most part, I know what the ownership experience is like, and for the M5, I can only shake my head and say, no way, no way, not this guy. Jay, keep those videos coming!
Very few BMW mechanics really understand this car and its systems. It is both special and complicated.
Great review. You should be offered a job on Top Gear, imo... Get that show back on track... quite literally!
Oh how I lust after one of these cars. Sadly with the massive increase in M car prices recently I don't think it will ever be.
Grate car, I drove one around 7 years ago. The pulling power of this car, above 120km/h , it was incredible, was compared to waking up another engine in it. The gearbox a bit clumsy in town traffic, but outside on fast roads, no problem. Nice and really fast cruiser, keeping you alert on te road, not relaxed as an S 500.
Loved your review of the M5 Jay! My favourite engines to answer your question are the Ferrari v12's they sound absolutely amazing!
Watch this space, we have one coming to the channel in about two weeks
@@JayEmmOnCars I'll look forward too it Jay 🙂👍
They sound so cool
I had one of these. Took it on a driving trip with friends, through Davos (Stelvio Pass) and then on to Germany and took a sprint on the Autobhan - supposedly limited to 155mph I managed to get it up to 173mph (according to the HUD speedo). Absolutely wonderful car. Only problem I had was a pump failure on the SMG gearbox shortly after buying it (replaced under warranty). Main problem was that no matter how I drove it I ended up getting around 18mpg - on the Autobhan I got it down to 3.1mpg
3.1! Hahah wow that's bragging rights
Bout the same gas milage as a loaded semi truck!
just picked up an 06 e60 m5 with 65k miles . perfect car
Was the BMW E46 CSL not the first production BMW to feature a carbon fibre roof in 2004?
I was not counting that as a "production" car, but yes it did beat the M6
@@JayEmmOnCars of course the e46 is a production car.
@@tracktimevideos5164 I considered the CSL a limited run item
@@JayEmmOnCars it's still a production vehicle as are all special editions sold to the public by manufacturers for road use.
@@tracktimevideos5164 true. My mistake.
Enjoyed that, would love to try one of these (E39 owner). Small point, the letter in the engine designation also relates to the application.
A=Transverse petrol
B=Longitudinal petrol
C=Transverse diesel
D=Longitudinal diesel
Mine had the Fast Attack software modification made the SMG no problem at all really made it nice to drive
The fams map is good, it's what I run on this car.
Amazing engine, but also the worst for reliability its such a shame!
I'm still in love with the M60 engines BMW had in the late 90's. If I had a garage I'd probably rebuild some of those.
Aye, I also had the pleasure of a lap with Sabine but it was at silverstone. Bmwcc invited her over to do hot laps and I was one of the lucky ones to go out with her. The car was Awsome!!
A lot of people really slate the E60 M5 without actually owning one , I had one for 2 years my only car used everyday the only problems I had was a new battery and it needed a wheel speed sensor that was it apart from service costs
Yeah, but it's fun to slag off a car you've never owned, isn't it lol
Mike Mitch i owned a e39 m5 and the car has been sitting for a longer time then i actually drove it.. i cant imagine this v10 with the bearing and throttle actuator issues.. oh yeah and the smg pump ofc the rapairs are 15% of the cars value
I share a similar first IRL experience of the E60 V10 M5 - as a passenger of Sabine Schmitz in the BMW RingTaxi at die Grüne Hölle back in 2008. An extraordinary memory in terms of both car and driver, especially since her desease
The E60 M5 is my favortie sounding engines but my passion is Lamborgini's 6.7ltr V12 in the back of the Murchlargo SV
This is a thing of beauty, That sound.... mmmmm
That car is so good, only a very few of us deserve one, and most of them don't have any money...
Fave engines that spring to mind.. The old Rover V8 stuck in some of the 90s TVRs, the S2000 VTEC, the Metzger era 986/996/997 flat 6, the Ferrari V8 (of course), the (Audi / Porsche) V10 in the earlier Gallardos, and of course the Lambo V12 and probably the king, the Porsche V10 found in the Carrera GT.
S85 and S65 are the best M engines as side from historic race M49 in the 3.0CSL that built the brand and it’s child the M88 with 3 variations. My S65 is decat and tuned with the best induction and exhaust notes. S85 is on that same boat.
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terrific looking car this, i used to walk past a silver wagon version in london on the way to work and always admired it
Although the S85 V10 might sound great and perform great too, it's plagued with garbage rod bearings.
It's the gap between the bearing and the crank that is the issue. Since lead was banned from being in bearings it makes them a fair bit softer.
@@jackthehat8593 I heard the bearings were made out of mild steel which made them inherently weak.
I think the way many people looked after them too by not waiting till the engine was fully warmed up too
@@ELGlueckert the bearings are copper iirc. The white metal (as it is known) is the coating. All bearings are plagued by the lack of lead, but it is really is the small clearance that causes the issue. BMW needed to use twice the clearance that they have.
@@chrisg4rr377 true, in fact I have recently read about an owner of an F10 M5 who thrashes it from cold! No mechanical sympathy and he didn't know that he needs to let it warm up. Apparently he has treated all of his cars that way! People buy performance cars and know very little about them these days.
I think I'm going to get one regardless of short comings
Man that was a brisk, entertaining and knowledgeable video on a car Im literally about to buy. Thanks for making my mind up to get one ahaha, you earned a new sub!
Excellent video, I own an M6 and I think you're a little too harsh on the SMG though, also the E46 M3 CSL was the first BMW to get a carbon roof, not the M6. In fact BMW took the idea of the M3 CSL and replicated a bit of it into the M6, that's why it's 1710 kilos and two fully grown adults lighter than an M5
exactly, I drove plenty of sportcars back then and in fact together with the f1 gearbox in the F430 scuderia this was the best single clutch robotic gearbox there was. Ofcourse DCT of DSG gearboxes are better now but dont forget this was the beginning of putting special auto gearboxes in sportscars back then. If you drive a Porsche c2 auto from back then that was a normal auto gearbox, also dreadfull. And the SMG when you drive it hard is very nice...only in town at low speeds its dreadfull
@@rroosenFB yes, they don't like slow speeds. When I took my car on the autobahn it was like releasing a dog from the leash, they are at their best on an open Road. I find that most people that do not like the SMG just do not understand the mechanical side of it. Ayrton Senna hated flappy Paddle gearboxes with a passion. However if he had to drive one he would much prefer a mechanical gearbox and clutch that you can work with, and not today's DSG S, which are very good but have no driver input at all, just like a full blown automatic
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Paulz TV SMG sucks. Sorry dude
@@JacesOwnWorld well compared to a Mark 7 golf it does suck. Look, I'm not saying it's the best gearbox in the world, it's just a very mechanical feel , driver input feedback on the car and you have to work with the car and some of us oldies like that , including the great Ayrton Senna. Driver skills are needed less and less these days, first ABS, then Traction Control, the list of electronic toys that help a drive now has taken away some driver skills.
All new cars coming out of Germany are all the same, sound similar to an asthmatic donkey having a coughing fit, the exhaust are all tuned with fake pops / bangs mapped with sounds coming from the speakers, rather than the engine. Classic BMWs are the sweet spot pre turbo era. Excellent content JayEmm.
they build what people want. this new generation is all about a synthetic experience because they have no eye what lies beneath their smartphone screen
@@soundofeighthooves yet the demographic that can afford the new super saloons don't give a crap about phone screens
I used to own an e60 M5 and think it is the best car £ for £ I have ever owned (I bought it in 2014 for £24k). I think the E60 is by far the most interesting, surprising, eventful and shocking super saloon ever made. It sounded unbelievable, drove like a supercar and was comfortable. I adored it. The gearbox was terrible at slow speeds. The gearbox was embarrassing for me because I parked the M5 in an underground car park with an exit ramp that looked like the front end of the Ark Royal. However the gearbox was great fun when giving it the beans. I would have an e60 M5 in my perfect garage. Genuinely there will never be another.
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@@darrenpitts4521 That is a spooky coincidence. M5 was black with champagne interior with carrera olive wood. I live in uk so any wood trim in an M5 is very very rare.
great review I've got the M6 and the steering feedback is better in M mode
the rack is quicker and more responsive in M mode you can still have soft dampers in EDC
I wish it was as reliable as it is good sounding
Very professional video Jay, thanks for posting. When you as ask at the end about favourite engines, I would nominate the VW 5 cylinder 170bhp lump from a VW Golf V5 I owned between 2004-2007. It made an excellent noise and was very characterful.
Not the quickest m5, but the most badass. A proper man’s car.
Exactly. I respect the f10 and f90, but rather than sell this and get one, I went down the supercharger route instead.
@@TheSuperchargedM5Dog Good decision, more power without ruining the godly sound.
Jay you should try the audi S8 v10 from the same period, this is a fabulous underrated car, probably not quite as sporty but a much nicer gearbox and a better overall package in my view. I bought it because it was the forerunner engine which went into the Lambo gallardo and Audi R8 eventually. Obviously detuned... but the torque was kept up to cater for the weight. I had air suspension and soft close doors, both proved to be really good features and I thought it wouldn't handle, given its size, but the quattro mechanical grip took care of everything... a poor mans Bentley or Rolls with a lot more sports appeal. I moved onto the RS6 avant after this... given the choice I might by the current Bentley flying spur once they depreciate somewhat.... given it's a nicer S8 underneath....
I'm sorry to piss in your chips but the v10 in the Audi S6/S8 bears no resemblance to the v10 in the Lamborghini. This is a myth that has been debunked. The Audi V10 isn't without its issues, coking up is a big issue and loses power and the gearbox is also known to break. I do like the S8 V10 and did consider one seriously at one point, but the way Audi package their engines in their cars put me off as a lot of jobs can be engine out. Lots of money.
@@jackthehat8593 that's not problem, luckily I never had a single issue in 4 years of ownership..I would luv to read the links and stuff where you got the info from if you can post it here...?? Touch wood all the cars I have owned have always given very little trouble.... accept a couple of very old cheap datsuns.... one of which had literally spent its life on a major building site.... so it's probably not fair to any car... to count that.
There are many things about Sabine that make her hard to forget. Very very pretty for a start.
Great review of a great car, I can confirm from experience that he'll be returning around 7-8 mpg here if he's lucky the way he's driving.
Here in the UK that makes the M5 and M6 both garage queens as they're just too expensive to use as an everyday car.
One criticism,.....he never mentioned the electrical gremlins these suffer, once a sensor fails you have other sensors failing in sympathy and before long you have a dashboard that resembles a christmas tree and a diagnostic report longer than those 10 cylinders ahead of you.
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M156 is favourite engine ever. Although I would like to try the E60/61 M5.
I have a manual M6 with 37k miles. I’m in the US if you want to make the trip. It’s an extremely rare car at this point, rarer than almost all exotics in its manual form. It is just ridiculous when straight piped.
Which bit of the USA?
JayEmm on Cars Columbia, MO. It’s a college town where the University of Missouri is. There’s a direct flight in from Chicago. The video I put up is just an iPhone suction cupped to the passenger window. It sounds pornographic in real life.
As an M6 owner I agree with your review. Keep up with the great content!
And I just got done Waxing my Dad 2006 BMW M5.😎
Just take your dad to a spa next time
why did u wax your dad?
TopiAS06 it might have been a desperate call for help? 😃
Absolutely brilliant revue of a superb car.
Well done Jay, the M5 was my dream until I was offered an M6, dream come true plus, and then things started to go wrong BUT maybe I had a bad one BUT I would still recommend either of these wonderful cars to anyone, the M5 if you have family or friends and the M6 for styling, the drive in both phenomenal, just buy right, that is the main issue!
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M6 first carbon fibre roof bmw? Thought that was the e46 csl?
Great item, favourite engine....5.3 v8 Aston...just the sound because i have never driven one.
The car that built its reputation by itself and broke it only by itself
204mph delimited masterpiece of a motor
Yeah, the US M5 with the manual transmission wouldn't let you turn off the skid/traction control. had other strange issues too
1:05 Painted front lip needs to go. Either get a matte black/carbon one or ditch it completely..
Music to my ears
I was getting my car serviced at my local BMW specialist and got talking to one of the mechanics about M cars. He told me one of his other customers had brought in an E60 M5 after only two weeks of ownership due to an engine fault. The bill? £4500.
Jay, as for your style of reporting I am especially drawn to listen to your views as they come from a place of knowledge over scripting. That and that you 'seem to drive alone' (no other person in the car is often highlighted) means that I feel I am the only passenger. Someone will mentioned the famous reviewer with the initials JC and I find it hard to watch him. I do not care for big ego drama that many reviewers dish out. You are calibrated just right. Glad I found you recently when looking at some McLaren. Man, I have been missing out on a lot, need to catch up now.
Thanks - enjoy my back catalogue!
@@JayEmmOnCars When you're in Los Angeles I'll have something nice for you to drive while you're in town.
Agreed. There is no way they could do it now. Especially with the EPA here in the U>S . The regulators in all the big countries don't like them. Luckily I'll be getting an 2006 M5 tomorrow. I have great plans for it.
I believe they did the car wrong with the 3.62 diff box. It should have been 3.78-3.84ish. Or... just slap on a supercharger and put an 3.52ish diff on it for the SMG sake.
did you end up getting the M5? what did you do with it if so?
The E60 M5 is special and possesses amazing styling. Unfortunately, most people can't afford to keep it in top shape and eventually, it ends up in the scrap heap.
Often the case. Not the case with this car though, it gets what it needs, usually before it needs it.
RIP Sabine! 😭
The one I lust after even today