Only a third of the way through and I’m so happy this actually adds something new. This is literally the first and only time I’ve seen the Lina died in the gears theory. Thank you for breathing life into this series again.
Huh. I actually had that theory years ago and mentioned it on the petscop subreddit, along with the theory that the "pieces" are pieces of Lina. The response was pretty much "We know, dude." So I guess there's a certain segment of fandom that already knew this?
@@SirSoliloquy yeah, it definitely isn't an unpopular theory, the main thing is many other Petscop enthusiasts have Lina be still alive somehow, where I plant my flag in the ground that she's definitely dead.
@@playmaster_plus late to this again but I guess I wasn’t super into the petscop Reddit or tehepry community cause I was just kinda waiting for the series to continue and accept it for what it is. I guess I don’t bother myself with the puzzle solving of series like these but still, I applaud the people who thought of the “Lina was caught it n the gears” theory cause it’s so refreshing to the supernatural aspect of Petscop theories. It’s just so realistic and grim. “Yeah she feel into the gears of an old windmill and died. Nobody heard her screaming.” That’s much more scary and grim dark to me. It makes me grieve for Lina.
@@SirSoliloquy I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Lina is dead. Rainer describes her as simply disappearing and then was never seen again. We have Marvin who thinks she'll return home one day and holds a birthday party for her every year. Marvin was also there at the windmill, so he got a front row seat to whatever happened there. We also have multiple references to her being invisible, such as on her tombstone and the message about her in the Credits. And then finally we have that bombshell that Belle drops on Paul in the very last episode. She describes Lina (Boss) as driving Belle and Paul home to be a family. It sounds like this happened shortly after Paul was born. So that would place it in late 1992. If Lina died in the windmill incident in 1977, then it would be hard for her to be driving her kids around in 1992. Though she doesn't say anything, she certainly seems to be alive in that episode as Belle leads Paul to her bench to be reunited with her. Finally when Paul intentionally sabotages Care's rebirthing ceremony, it produces a red/yellow hybrid egg. The colors of Paul and Care. If the pieces collected were pieces of Lina, then how come we can get a non-Lina outcome from rebirthing? I think the pieces are just fuel for the Machine, that's all.
I’ve literally been searching for more petscop content! It’s such an enthralling topic and it’s definitely my most watched and most researched ARG I ever put my time into.
I don't think Lina actually fell into a windmill. I think she got hit by a car while holding a pinwheel, seeing how the pinwheel is also a recurring theme throughout the game. Somehow Marvin conflated the two concepts in his aberrant mind.
I like this. It bridges Marvin’s psyche and actual events, and the series gives much attention to the massive difference between those two worlds. But I always imagined she just was hit by a car under Marvin’s care/as his peer, and Marvin hid her body in the windmill, not knowing what to do. Either intentionally or not, the windmill’s gears crushed her. The young Marvin and Anna became obsessed with trying to resurrect Lina. Marvin would lose his sense of chronology-throwing Lina a birthday party, returning to the location of her death and recreating the last picture with her as if she was still there. Lina’s remains would almost certainly have been discovered, and the windmill would’ve probably been demolished, as is what sometimes happens to crime scenes. This would explain how it “disappeared.”
@@msunflowers also lends credence to the idea that maybe Marvin hit Michael on purpose as a way to almost recreate Lina’s death as means of rebirthing her somehow. Not sure how it would work but hey he’s also a crazy person
But Rainer says he saw pictures of the windmill, so it isn't just Marvin's hallucination. Rainer: "I found that picture of you from 1977, standing in front of an old windmill with your friend."
@@CasualTS They might have visited a windmill, but that doesn't mean that something happened or that the windmill disappeared. Really, why would they casually take a picture after the windmill disappeared with one of their friends in it? It was probably just a different location, and Marvin got confused.
Watched the whole thing and was a great video!! I really loved all of the connections that you made, and despite not agreeing with all of it, I think you make some really good points. Especially the focus on the lack of the supernatural, and Rainer's involvement with Marvin; this is really well made! I'd like to present a counter argument to the idea that Care is not Paul, that i think is the lynchpin of Petscop theorising. I'm going to skip over the trivial evidence of physical similarities and shared birthdays, as I think that that aspect is well understood, and can lead to both same person or twin theory. My main areas of evidence are thus: *Story cohesion*: The story actively is less conclusive if Paul and Care are different people. We spend more than the first half of the series intimately learning about Care, about her tragedy, her story. Then in the latter episodes, this pivots to focus on Paul. This not only reflects in the videos, but also reflects in how Care is not mentioned in the timeline post 1997. Now while it is possible for the story to write her out entirely, it seems unlikely due to how central she is to everything. In the final episodes, there is no cathartic moment regarding Care, there is only focus on Paul. However if Paul was Care, then this series has a concise narrative which focuses on one primary main character. Additionally, it would give greater catharsis to the ending, where we get closure on both Paul and Care as they are the same person. Furthermore, there is the greater thematic relevance of Care and Paul's melody, where we see that in the abusive environment, Paul is forced to play Care's melody; but at the end of the series Paul plays his melody, and that is seen as the triumph in the basement. Finally, it comes to themes of overcoming trauma. There is no doubt that Petscop has large overarching themes of trauma, focusing on how Care is traumatised by Marvin. If we go by your interpretation, then Care is just written out of the story, and we never see her find peace, or overcome her trauma, its just a part of her character. But if Paul was Care, then the ending can be seen as trauma being overcome, and Care/Paul overcoming their abuser. The themes and messages of the story are stronger if Paul and Care are one and the same. *Color theory*: You have probably seen how colors are heavily associated with each character. Care is extensively associated with the color yellow, and Paul is associated a few times with the color red. This is important to consider when we look at the board game `accident` in which it shows the color red being connected to the color yellow. This being described as an accident, can be interpreted as whatever these two colors represent coming together was a mistake, perhaps a failed rebirth (rebirthing is discussed later). Additionally, there is the egg at the end. Now we see that Belle is associated with pink, and Tiara is associated with purple, and their egg is inside of the locker already. Then we see that the egg from Paul is red and yellow. We know that Belle was attempted to be rebirthed into Tiara; and likewise Care was attempted to be rebirthed into Lina. When viewed under this lens, it looks like Paul is who Care was rebirthed into. Which would not only explain the egg, but would explain why the eggs at the end were placed together, and why Belle and Paul have this connection: they were both abuse victims of this rebirthing. *Intimate knowledge*: Throughout the series Paul demonstrates insight into Care that wouldn't otherwise make much sense. The biggest cases of this, are the caskets. Particularly, in Paul's room (the room in from Care's face and Mike's eyebrows which he has a visceral reaction to) he finds casket 1. Casket 1 is the red vase with a yellow sunflower in it, and was used by Marvin to reflect Care's face and tell her that she was ugly, using her distorted image as a visage to motivate her rebirth. For Paul to have such a visceral reaction to the casket, it suggests that he either knows the context behind the vase, which is unlikely at this time in the series, or he was someone who personally experienced it. (Note: just occured to me that color theory can be seen here as well, with the red distorted face of Care linking to the color of Paul) Moreover, casket 2 suggests something similar. Casket 2 depicts a large red spinning pyramid with Care/Paul's face on it (since Care and Paul look similar), and Paul reacts very negatively to it. When we consider what Rainer described with the twisting, turning, tightening, tightening, we could draw parallels to this spinning pyramid. Now if Paul hadn't experienced something related to this, there would be no reason for his disgust, but his reaction suggests a more intimate connection. While it is possible that Hannah, or Jill 'cursed' Paul to know or act like Carrie, that doesn't explain why Paul would react like this to caskets which are clearly associated with Care. Paul would likely need to have first hand knowledge or experience with these caskets to be so affected by them, which makes the most sense if Paul was Care. *Rebirthing*: The biggest reason why Paul and Care are argued to be different is due to the failure of rebirthing, the dismissal of no supernatural elements and therefore rebirthing can't make Care change identity. I do strongly believe that Petscop has no supernatural elements, only fictitious elements which aren't too large a leap in logic. However, I don't think we can disregard the impacts of 'rebirthing'. The whole process of rebirthing is not only that awful machine and the music that is played, but it is the psychological grooming that convinces a child to become a whole new person. There have been several studies which consider the link between trauma and identity; as well as some which consider the potential link between childhood trauma and gender dysphoria. I believe that someone going through the horrors of kidnapping, psychological abuse, and this awful rebirthing process, could understandably come out of it different, changed, 'rebirthed'. Especially when you consider that Care was 5 years old when they endured this, them growing up to be a different person, taking a different identity, and repressing these memories, is far from a difficult logical leap to make. 'Rebirthing' throughout the series is presented as an impossible goal, with the parallels of the windmill and Don Quixote; something that Marvin, and consequently Rainer cannot achieve. This can be interpreted to mean that the entire idea of rebirthing is meaningless and it does nothing, just a simple analogous to the traumatising of children. However, another interpretation is that rebirthing can change and alter the identity of children, but it can never be changed to what the abuser wants. Belle, Care; Tiara, Paul are their own people, and no matter what their abuser does to them, they will never be who the abuser wants them to be. Through this lens, Petscop becomes a story of revealing the horrors of abuse, and the struggles to overcome their abusers. ----------------------------------- In conclusion, Care and Paul are one and the same, and yet they differ. Paul is what came from the abuse that Care suffered, and we see that after everything Marvin put him through, both in the past and present, that Paul is okay. Paul's melody isn't just a climatic moment because he is defying Marvin, but also because he has embraced who he is now, no longer shackled by the melody of Care, and the trauma that they once went through.
i think this is really good, and especially the first few "episodes" help to tie up a lot of loose ends that i had not put together, such as how lina likely died and why rainer began making the game when he did. despite having a few different beliefs on the overarching plot and the end sequence, your reasoning is well put together and logical, which provides a lot of food for thought regarding my own theories and also makes for a fantastic watch! i especially appreciate the lack of supernatural/advanced ai theories, as i way prefer interpretations that focus on the real emotional, psychological human impacts of things one thing i didnt see mentioned despite how relevant it seems is the note in the locker of the school [in petscop 23]. i personally have always viewed this as being a direct dialogue from tiara directed at her child, but even if it was from someone else directed at tiara who was a child at the time, her being a leskowitz feels quite important to what you say about belle; in fact, if it was the former like i have interpreted it, it would be further evidence towards your thoughts on her relation to marvin and rainer. perhaps as anna and linas mother, grandmother, aunt, or older sister? regardless, as an adult in the leskowitz family, she would have personal stakes in teaching marvin and rainer about rebirthing, and her note seems interesting to me as well though, i personally wouldnt be smart enough nor knowledgeable about petscop enough to make any theories regarding this. i doubt this is something you have missed entirely, as you appear to make a lot of petscop related content, but to not see it in the section of this video that focuses on tiara and her relationship to various characters and the plot caught me off guard. would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this note, even if its just a recommendation for another video of yours in which you discuss it!
@@themythicalmusee @themythicalmusee thanks for the comment, and you're right! I should have included that in my Tiara section, but alas, it slipped my mind somehow. My thoughts on it: it is signed as from Mommy, with the header labeled The Name followed by Tiara. The letter is also referred to as the new life letter. I think it was written for the intended new Tiara (the old Belle) to further get her bearings in her new life after being rebirthed by Daniel/Rainer. The wording and sentence structure of the note is weird, almost mechanical, and nothing like how a real mother would normally write to her kid. I think this lends itself to the letter being essentially staged to further the psychological manipulation that goes into rebirthing a child (making them feel unloved as they are, simulating a womb-like scenario, enveloping the mind with music related to the person trying to be reborn, and attempted memory tampering as I believe is seen in the letter). I think the letter serves to how deep the deception and psychological manipulation of rebirthing goes, and another reason why Belle is so insistent that she is indeed Tiara.
@playmaster_plus so you think marvin and/or rainer wrote the note in order to manipulate belle more? i hadnt even considered that but its really interesting, and i think it fits in very well with your interpretation and discussion of the rebirthing process. i had initially thought it was a small remnant from when the real tiara was alive and could provide more insight to her character. however, i also found myself wondering about how "fake" or unrealistic the wording was when reading it for myself, so for it to be staged to make the rebirthing subject more susceptible does seem fairly plausible. thanks for your reply!
minor note: I might argue that "They didn't see her" is less about them not noticing her falling in but how a child might lie about not seeing someone. If Marvin and his friend took a picture before exploring, then another one after to make it look like they weren't all together it implies some level of knowing that something wrong happened. So Marvin and his friend went exploring, and maybe Lina fell in by accident, or maybe on purpose, but when questioned afterwards about Lina the response was "we haven't seen her".
Very interesting analysis, personally I think that after watching the video the theory holds together very well, especially the parts involving lina and the windmill which I think make a lot of sense. One part of your theory that I'm not sure I fully belive is the family in present day making edits to the game, if the family has the capability to make changes on that level it seems very likely to me they would be able to fully access the game and find it's ending without the lengths they go to, this is the one of the parts of Petscop I find difficult to justify without some paranormal or fantastical element.
So, I read your adaptation of Petscop and... wow, that was really, really good. Kind of amazing, actually! I am not a professional editor or anything, though I do write for a hobby from time to time, but you have quite a bit of talent! It really makes me curious about your other works, I'll look into whether I can find them on EU Amazon. Otherwise, I'll make a US account. I was especially surprised by the level of cohesion the story had. Like, you have the best integration of Belle/Tiara I've ever encountered, bar none. Her part of the story is still one I find difficult to interpret, and while your interpretation differs greatly from mine, I commend the way you made it all click. That rings true for most choices you've made. While my headcanon is different, some points you make, leave me reconsidering my own views. The way your story was built up was also really good. Good use of emotions and tension. I already know what's going to happen and it still was a thrilling read. Your prose was also quite extensive. As a non-native speaker, I had to use the dictionary a couple of times. Like, you should send Tony a tweet with a link to your adaptation. I feel like he should read this. And also: thank you for writing this. I greatly enjoyed it. I wasn't planning on reading it completely by the way, I just couldn't put it down 😅
hey, I loved so many of the theories in this video! Especially your analysis of Michael and Rainer’s motivation, Lina tripping and falling into the gears of the windmill (no clue why I never thought of that, I guess my mind just didn’t even wanna go there!) and the potential red herring that was the entire Windmill puzzle. I’m curious about your take on the beginning of Petscop 9, where the inputs of the player in the demo line up with Paul’s inputs during the daisy scene in Petscop 2, but only once on the treadmill in Pen’s room. In addition to the absurdity of this particular syncing incident, the inputs do sync perfectly in terms of timing but do not involve identical button presses (the player in the demo is pushing Up on the control stick, Paul is using a button to interact with the flower). The synced moment also disregards as Paul thinks to check the room beside the flower before plucking all of the petals (the player on the treadmill stands still until Paul returns to the daisy room to finish plucking its petals). I know it’s not the only moment of syncing, but it was an iconic moment in my eyes, along with the “experience” Paul encounters in Petscop 11 as he first investigates the bathroom, where he openly comments that he saw a block above the bathtub that was shown in one version of the clip, but not the other. Also very odd that on one side of the clip, the camera pans in to the TV, and on the other side, it pans away from the TV. It could be video editing trickery, but 1) Why? and 2) Paul comments he thought he saw the block above the bathtub. The other syncing moments are very strange to me as well, the strangest of all of them being another scene in Petscop 9 when Paul enters Lina’s room, and another Guardian character is seen exiting the room just as Paul enters. Paul barely comments on it (“…‘Kay?”), and then proceeds to move in the EXACT same way after he reads the note and exits the room. Thoughts there?
this is fantastic and what I feel I was looking for for a Long time in theory crafting. please never use the word unalive again though. really great video hope u do more
I always thought that Paul disassociated with his old identity, repressing all the memories and forget all the trauma and used to be Care, because there's the school counselor meeting in Petscop 22, while she talks to Paul (that's what the character or ai calls itself when asked) and tells him that he has been busy catching up the classes because he was kidnapped (as Care) and also the counselor talks about how distinguishing left and right can be difficult (Paul has trouble opening doors and knowing where left and right is, as we heard in Petscop 14 and the door on Petscop 1 saying the player cannot open doors) and the last thing, the counselor says that she hopes Paul to find his real house, possibly meaning that he was given to an orphanage like the child library, since Daniel/Rainer died in 2000 (the calender in the house points out 2000 as far as i can remember) and its been 3 years after Care's (now is Paul) kidnapping, it most likely means he was still keeping an eye on Paul in the school since it's the same one (and the Garalina office was in the same building, and i guess the orphanage sent Paul to the same school) Rainer got some new info on what Care(Paul) has become, and added new things to the game because of that, giving the hopelessness of not being able to open doors etc. (he might even have talked to the consoler to record their voices so he can add a recreation of the meeting in the game)... Even tho Paul doesn't remember "Care" or Marvin, we also have to remember he was disturbed by the censored objects (which were most likely casket 1 and 2, the vase that Marvin used to abuse Care and the spinning triangle which was Care spinning) Paul most likely remembers those because they were things that impacted him the most, and tbh he was disturbed a lot the more he kept playing, maybe he was realizing his past as Care... Last thing, I don't believe that Rainer actually blames Care for Mike's accident/death, I always thought that he cares about Care, and was very sad and angry of what she became after all of the trauma she has gone through, Rainer made the game to confront all of his family, including his own parents too (since the Mark's and Hammond's are all family, cousins and aunts), I also wanted to add a little theory of my own (which is mostly similar to yours at the end), I saw that people say that Jill is Anna's sister but to me Jill can be Marvin's sister instead, Jill knew about Paul being Care and she made him play the game not only so he could see what happened to him in the past and get to know more about the game (That her son Rainer/Daniel made), but she was also in contact with Marvin all along, and wanted to help him so Paul/Care could become Lina, Jill also knew about Lina i would assume, let's remember that at some point, it seems that Paul was being held and tracked in the Garalina testing rooms in Petscop 15... I might have messed up which Petscop video it was so sorry about that, I forget which is which easily-
The only theory video I have seen about Petscop that doesn't attempt to inject some arbitrary plot elements that aren't observable in the original content. Your theory is the only one that seems to actually construct a narrative out of the events depicted in the series, as opposed to grasping at straws. The generative AI theories always bothered me after we get to see Impulse, because nothing about the Impulse menu looks like it's for "AI generation" other than there being lots of recordings(which adds to horror imo, Paul has been searching for so long the recordings this version of Petscop has accrued makes it look like a Super Meat Boy after you complete a stage.) Watching these gave me a sense of closure on the series, as this is how I interpreted the canon despite missing some pieces. Most audiences sought outlandish explanations for things, and I think that's part of the work; in a story about systematic gaslighting and abuse it seems apt for the audience to pursue those types of explanations instead of the things that should seemingly be "obvious." Like a child's mind rationalizing the abuse they have suffered; It seems dark, confusing, and disorienting, which is where everything in both Petscop the game and the series are trying to take you. Is Paul trans? Is the game actually for making AI? Is there a ghost trapped in it? These explanations all dodge the thing the creator, Paul, Rainer, and maybe even the family wanted us to see from the start. The only thing we know for certain there was/is a group of people convincing children to not be themselves, literally; with said victims potentially facing unspoken physical violence as well. I think that's the core of this series. Just the feeling of shock and unresolved angst and confusion these types of events can leave you with. Petscop definitely has some problems with it's presentation and story, but I think it achieves more than it fails at. It was fun watching the original run and it was fun watching your video.
I’ve been interested in petscop for a while now. I very much agree with all of your points and it’s my first time coming across someone who also thinks that Petscop is about the story of the family and nothing paranormal is happening that takes away from (in my opinion) the point of the game. I do agree Micheal was hit by a car chasing the dog, however, one thing I think you should take into consideration is if it was *Marvin* that ran over Micheal. Would Daniel really not hold it against him? *(Please note that what I’m about to say is based off of the current theories we share)* The death of his brother was enough to drive Daniel (who is clearly a person of intelligence) to kidnap a child, believe in the delusion of rebirth, and even attempt to rebirth a child. Marvin was a man who Daniel hated enough to have the willpower to solve his friend’s disappearance (which went 20 years unsolved) and spend a year making a video game based around Marvin’s wrongdoings and past. As well as, if Linas death was an accident, Daniel knew that. Yet in the game, he almost comes off as if he’s teasing Marvin over what happened to Lina, despite Marvin playing no part in it. Daniel definitely shows that he can both view something as an accident, yet still (somewhat) hold it against Marvin. Considering Daniel’s character would he really put no blame onto Marvin? Especially to the extent that Micheal is barely even mentioned in the game that was made to torment Marvin. PS: Of course this is in no way a criticism, this is just me sharing my opinion since we seem to view petscop in a very similar way and I thought you may be interested to hear a contradicting point from an adjacent perspective. All in all, these are very solid and well thought-out theories and I’m excited for the full analysis if you make one.
@@salemrex thanks for watching and for the comment! I did very briefly mention how I think the lingering gravestone writing in Marvin's playthrough specifically was a subtle way of Daniel plaguing Marvin with blame for the death
@@playmaster_plus yes I took note of that (I forgot to mention it in the original comment sorry) but I think that Daniel is shown to be too much of an extremest when pushed to do something that discrete. Although, you are completely right in the fact that the lingering gravestone definitely has some kind of significance.
Sorry, just stumbled across this video while making dinner. That did clear up a few things. I got Rainer and Marvin had collaborated in the past, but that starting because Rainer wanted to rebirth his baby brother makes too much sense. I also picked up on the photo thing, where the windmill didnt collapse, it was just a change in perspective. I haven't seen anyone else say that. I am no where near having a concrete grasp on things, but do think there has to some level of supernatural elements. Just having gone through twin peaks and blue velvet multile times now, I feel like a series has to have some aspects of it. Why make it this abstract, though this whole posting this online seemingly is because the family cant just come out and say things about what happened. I also do think the game is able to read your mind, and create "ghosts" of people, as silly as that is. There was a point where Tony reeled back on things around episode 10, so who even knows what we where originally going to see. I also think that the gravestones aren't actual deaths and are to symbolize a loss of innocence, but I should probably stop essay dumping here
My forever theory for Paul and Care is that Paul is part of a DID / OSDD system and is trans. From what I know, DID and OSDD are always caused by severe trauma when a child is very young, very often child abuse, before 5 years if I recall. This tracks with Care's story and I feel that she easily could've had more trauma prior since even Care A seems unhappy and dissociated. Since it happens so young, it disrupts the child's ability for the parts of their consciousness to fuse, and so they never do. And, in DID / OSDD there's always an Apparently Normal Part that is protected from the traumatic memories that other parts will hold or have access too. There can be memories that will slip through the cracks though. Paul is the Apparently Normal Part. He formed after Care's trauma and took over as the host (the part of the system that is in control of the body most often.) He always conceived himself as male and so legally transitioned. Even though he's aware of being trans I think it's possible for the memory of his former name to have blocked out as it could be a reminder of trauma. Care in this case represents the part(s) that hold all the traumatic memories and Paul is just now coming into contact with them. I figure for some of the playthrough he's dissociating at least somewhat because he's not supposed to see any of this. There could be other parts of the system taking over, like a protector. Rainer may have wanted to remind Paul, thinking the rebirthing worked in some awful way, but to my knowledge this is a very poor way to tell a system about their past. I think the fact that it accounts for a lot of the confusion between their two identities, as well as the clear links to child abuse and trauma make it a great candidate. The themes of Petscop work very well with DID and OSDD. Plus, DID / OSDD are surprisingly covert most of the time. The only clue you could have into someone being part of a system, in my experience anyway, is occasional gaps in memory and opinions that seem to change randomly. The other parts of the system know how to blend in with the host fairly well. If Paul is part of a system I don't think it would be clear to his estranged family or the audience. Maybe only Belle and Rainer in my opinion. Lina too if she's alive.
Ok I kinda noticed about rebirthing is that It focuses on bringing the dead back to life. Here Marvin tries to "rebirth" Lina which he assumes dead. So what if the real Tiara (Not Belle) was dead and Marvin and Rainer tried to "rebirth" her using Belle but failed cause she gave up. Similarly, Marvin also used care for rebirthing into "Lina" but it didn't worked and Paul was born.
One of the theories ive had for a while is that paul was born a boy, and that marvin and anna [because i think she was complicit in the rebirthing at first] started plucking his eyebrows and making him dress as a girl and being adressed as care to try and groom him into being rebirthed as lina. When he escaped from the school, anna realized how messed up it was and stopped doing that. This is kind of a stretch ik, but when daniel was listing cares family while care was playing, no siblings were listed, which is right when care came back so it wouldnt make sense that paul was already whisked away by anna so quickly. Also if care isnt paul? Where is she now? I dont know lol. I love ur theories man ur theories agree on a lot of the same things as mine, especially with the anna/jill thing
That was very persuasive, but one thing I don't understand is why Belle stops talking on the phone during the "are-you-in-a-car?" conversation when Belle appears on screen. Does she know about the contents of the disc? It seems almost as if she's playing the game at the same time Paul is at several points.
@@AM-is1jh yeah it is weird, in this I tries to spin it as she guessed the recording was still happening and wanted to try to find ak inadvertent way to communicate with Paul during that segment
@@playmaster_plus Another thing that was on my mind is Pink Tool. If either it's Daniel's original game from 2000 or the modified version you posit, why would Pink Tool tell Paul to turn the Playstation off? Seems counterintuitive to the posited explanation w/r/t any motivation. I don't believe for a second this message could've come from Daniel. It could be texture edited as many other things edited by Belle during a previous playthrough, or put in the game by the family, but why? Sorry if I missed you explaining this already.
Essentially meaning that any interpretation that denies that the game is acting somewhat reactively seems a bit off... there's also the mirrored inputs like when Paul's moved are predicted in Petscop 9. I still don't understand that, since he is supposedly playing in real time.
Though one thing that gives credence to the idea that Belle knows what's on the disc is that she helps Paul solve several puzzles, he references her "genius" in the call which she denies, so that can all make sense with this video's theory
I think these theories are like probably basically true and make sense, but one point I would like to raise is that there is no mention of the possibility of Paul being Care after transitioning while talking about them bwing the same person. Otherwise great stuff
I may have missed it but can you offer an explaination for why different characters seemed to move like Paul moves in the future? Not aligning with the AI explaination leaves that as a sort of loose end
We know the game keeps exact controller inputs of previous playthroughs in storage. If Paul's movements match that of a recording from an earlier date, it could be him mimicking the recording as we know he was using them for inspiration, and if recordings from a date future to when Paul played the game could be overlaying his controller inputs similar to the impulse room.
sorry i had to stop watching when you said that it was unrealistic for paul to repress and alter memories of his traumatic childhood but it makes perfect sense that his mom would be able to convince him that his sister didnt exist
Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have repressed memories, just the severity of the repression with some memories and the selective recall of others from the similar time period deterred me from concluding that that would be a definitive explanation for him previously being Care
@@playmaster_plus my understanding is that when someone has repressed memories its not blanket amnesia, but holes relating to the trauma that are filled in with false memories. also i think repressed memories due to trauma makes more thematic sense than missing memories due to being sheltered
Please correct me if you think I’m mistaken but the only issue with the Paul=care and repressed the memories theory, is that repressed memories don’t stay repressed forever. Your brain represses memories in childhood to protect your mental state while you are in that environment. The thing about that is, once you’re out of a toxic environment and your brain thinks you are “safe” the memories reappear when provoked with a trigger. Paul is confirmed to be a landlord, meaning that it is highly unlikely that he is still living with his family and probably hasn’t been for a while now (he is 25 at this point). In petscop 7, Paul seeing the [censored object] should have been enough to uncover at least some of these memories, since it was something that very clearly related to him around 1997 (the year the repressed memories are from). Petscop 7 is the first video posted where the channel is being run by the family. Paul is quite open about the fact that he had been very distant with his family up until this point. Petscop 6 was posted 9 days before this. 9 days is no where near enough time for his adult brain to feel the need to repress these memories once more. So yes, it is most definitely possible that paul=care with repressed memories, but technically speaking, it’s highly unlikely.
Has anyone here actually read the novella the creator wrote? It's really not that deep. Petscop is based on that novella. It's an absurdist piece of literature and a lot of it doesn't have any deeper meaning to it.
I've read it, and Petscop the web series differs from it so much that I think its best to view them as separate stories completely (although the inspiration/parallels can certainly be drawn)
this was so good!! Excuse me! The beauty of petscop is that it is not to be solved objectively. So I don't fully see eye to eye with your interpretation (i still firmly believe Paul is Care), but this video still had a great attention to detail i have been craving and unsatisfied by in most other theories. You opened my eyes to details i neglected, like marvin typing "did you dig" to tool which i never noticed or have seen discussed. I'm also VERY glad that you explored the possibility of the game having been tampered with in a modern setting as i had already believed it myself and it was just great not to feel alone in that lol.. petscop is fascinating!! Thank you for these videos
@@playmaster_plus I gotta say I have been frustrated about so many of the petscop "explanations" that would just say "oh it's crazy advanced AI" or oh "Paul must be care because reasons" even tho we can clearly hear by paul's voice that he is a man and was never born female. This vid deserves waaay more recognition, it is an explanation that is grounded in logic and still manages to clearly and coherently explain almost the entirely of the series, (at least what's most important). I was wondering what your thoughts were about the caskets (The censored objects) I always found Paul's reaction at seeing the vase, and the spinning pyramid with care's face odd, why does he have an excessive reaction only then? What about the vase do you think might have made him uncomfortable other than the fact that it was a representation of his room? What do you think was the writing on the chalkboard? and the significance of the stencil? Those were the only other things i wondered about.
Unfortunately, you can't really go on your way to claim you "solved" the game especially if what you're saying is all about theories. Petscop is too complex to solve even if you think you're going by 100% logical process, this game's sense of logic works differently.
Only a third of the way through and I’m so happy this actually adds something new. This is literally the first and only time I’ve seen the Lina died in the gears theory. Thank you for breathing life into this series again.
Thanks for watching!!
Huh. I actually had that theory years ago and mentioned it on the petscop subreddit, along with the theory that the "pieces" are pieces of Lina.
The response was pretty much "We know, dude."
So I guess there's a certain segment of fandom that already knew this?
@@SirSoliloquy yeah, it definitely isn't an unpopular theory, the main thing is many other Petscop enthusiasts have Lina be still alive somehow, where I plant my flag in the ground that she's definitely dead.
@@playmaster_plus late to this again but I guess I wasn’t super into the petscop Reddit or tehepry community cause I was just kinda waiting for the series to continue and accept it for what it is. I guess I don’t bother myself with the puzzle solving of series like these but still, I applaud the people who thought of the “Lina was caught it n the gears” theory cause it’s so refreshing to the supernatural aspect of Petscop theories. It’s just so realistic and grim. “Yeah she feel into the gears of an old windmill and died. Nobody heard her screaming.” That’s much more scary and grim dark to me. It makes me grieve for Lina.
@@SirSoliloquy I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Lina is dead. Rainer describes her as simply disappearing and then was never seen again. We have Marvin who thinks she'll return home one day and holds a birthday party for her every year. Marvin was also there at the windmill, so he got a front row seat to whatever happened there. We also have multiple references to her being invisible, such as on her tombstone and the message about her in the Credits.
And then finally we have that bombshell that Belle drops on Paul in the very last episode. She describes Lina (Boss) as driving Belle and Paul home to be a family. It sounds like this happened shortly after Paul was born. So that would place it in late 1992. If Lina died in the windmill incident in 1977, then it would be hard for her to be driving her kids around in 1992. Though she doesn't say anything, she certainly seems to be alive in that episode as Belle leads Paul to her bench to be reunited with her.
Finally when Paul intentionally sabotages Care's rebirthing ceremony, it produces a red/yellow hybrid egg. The colors of Paul and Care. If the pieces collected were pieces of Lina, then how come we can get a non-Lina outcome from rebirthing? I think the pieces are just fuel for the Machine, that's all.
I’ve literally been searching for more petscop content! It’s such an enthralling topic and it’s definitely my most watched and most researched ARG I ever put my time into.
We love Petscop around these parts 😎
More yummy petscop content to eat
Tasty indeed
@@playmaster_plus let me just get my fork out rq I'm going to feast
i got the chocolate syrup
I'm only a quarter way in and this is already one of the best videos regarding petscop's mystery. What a great piece of work man
@@a.ksander2051 thanks!!
I don't think Lina actually fell into a windmill. I think she got hit by a car while holding a pinwheel, seeing how the pinwheel is also a recurring theme throughout the game. Somehow Marvin conflated the two concepts in his aberrant mind.
I like this. It bridges Marvin’s psyche and actual events, and the series gives much attention to the massive difference between those two worlds. But I always imagined she just was hit by a car under Marvin’s care/as his peer, and Marvin hid her body in the windmill, not knowing what to do. Either intentionally or not, the windmill’s gears crushed her.
The young Marvin and Anna became obsessed with trying to resurrect Lina. Marvin would lose his sense of chronology-throwing Lina a birthday party, returning to the location of her death and recreating the last picture with her as if she was still there. Lina’s remains would almost certainly have been discovered, and the windmill would’ve probably been demolished, as is what sometimes happens to crime scenes. This would explain how it “disappeared.”
@@msunflowers also lends credence to the idea that maybe Marvin hit Michael on purpose as a way to almost recreate Lina’s death as means of rebirthing her somehow. Not sure how it would work but hey he’s also a crazy person
But Rainer says he saw pictures of the windmill, so it isn't just Marvin's hallucination. Rainer: "I found that picture of you from 1977, standing in front of an old windmill with your friend."
@@CasualTS
They might have visited a windmill, but that doesn't mean that something happened or that the windmill disappeared. Really, why would they casually take a picture after the windmill disappeared with one of their friends in it? It was probably just a different location, and Marvin got confused.
youre here for us when pyro isnt
wasn’t enough inflation for him to make a part 2 😢
Hey I just wanted to say that I love your petscop videos and all the effort you put into them shows. Thanks for making them!
Of course! Thanks for watching ❤
Watched the whole thing and was a great video!! I really loved all of the connections that you made, and despite not agreeing with all of it, I think you make some really good points. Especially the focus on the lack of the supernatural, and Rainer's involvement with Marvin; this is really well made!
I'd like to present a counter argument to the idea that Care is not Paul, that i think is the lynchpin of Petscop theorising. I'm going to skip over the trivial evidence of physical similarities and shared birthdays, as I think that that aspect is well understood, and can lead to both same person or twin theory. My main areas of evidence are thus:
*Story cohesion*:
The story actively is less conclusive if Paul and Care are different people. We spend more than the first half of the series intimately learning about Care, about her tragedy, her story. Then in the latter episodes, this pivots to focus on Paul. This not only reflects in the videos, but also reflects in how Care is not mentioned in the timeline post 1997. Now while it is possible for the story to write her out entirely, it seems unlikely due to how central she is to everything. In the final episodes, there is no cathartic moment regarding Care, there is only focus on Paul.
However if Paul was Care, then this series has a concise narrative which focuses on one primary main character. Additionally, it would give greater catharsis to the ending, where we get closure on both Paul and Care as they are the same person. Furthermore, there is the greater thematic relevance of Care and Paul's melody, where we see that in the abusive environment, Paul is forced to play Care's melody; but at the end of the series Paul plays his melody, and that is seen as the triumph in the basement.
Finally, it comes to themes of overcoming trauma. There is no doubt that Petscop has large overarching themes of trauma, focusing on how Care is traumatised by Marvin. If we go by your interpretation, then Care is just written out of the story, and we never see her find peace, or overcome her trauma, its just a part of her character. But if Paul was Care, then the ending can be seen as trauma being overcome, and Care/Paul overcoming their abuser. The themes and messages of the story are stronger if Paul and Care are one and the same.
*Color theory*:
You have probably seen how colors are heavily associated with each character. Care is extensively associated with the color yellow, and Paul is associated a few times with the color red. This is important to consider when we look at the board game `accident` in which it shows the color red being connected to the color yellow. This being described as an accident, can be interpreted as whatever these two colors represent coming together was a mistake, perhaps a failed rebirth (rebirthing is discussed later).
Additionally, there is the egg at the end. Now we see that Belle is associated with pink, and Tiara is associated with purple, and their egg is inside of the locker already. Then we see that the egg from Paul is red and yellow. We know that Belle was attempted to be rebirthed into Tiara; and likewise Care was attempted to be rebirthed into Lina. When viewed under this lens, it looks like Paul is who Care was rebirthed into. Which would not only explain the egg, but would explain why the eggs at the end were placed together, and why Belle and Paul have this connection: they were both abuse victims of this rebirthing.
*Intimate knowledge*:
Throughout the series Paul demonstrates insight into Care that wouldn't otherwise make much sense. The biggest cases of this, are the caskets. Particularly, in Paul's room (the room in from Care's face and Mike's eyebrows which he has a visceral reaction to) he finds casket 1. Casket 1 is the red vase with a yellow sunflower in it, and was used by Marvin to reflect Care's face and tell her that she was ugly, using her distorted image as a visage to motivate her rebirth. For Paul to have such a visceral reaction to the casket, it suggests that he either knows the context behind the vase, which is unlikely at this time in the series, or he was someone who personally experienced it. (Note: just occured to me that color theory can be seen here as well, with the red distorted face of Care linking to the color of Paul)
Moreover, casket 2 suggests something similar. Casket 2 depicts a large red spinning pyramid with Care/Paul's face on it (since Care and Paul look similar), and Paul reacts very negatively to it. When we consider what Rainer described with the twisting, turning, tightening, tightening, we could draw parallels to this spinning pyramid. Now if Paul hadn't experienced something related to this, there would be no reason for his disgust, but his reaction suggests a more intimate connection.
While it is possible that Hannah, or Jill 'cursed' Paul to know or act like Carrie, that doesn't explain why Paul would react like this to caskets which are clearly associated with Care. Paul would likely need to have first hand knowledge or experience with these caskets to be so affected by them, which makes the most sense if Paul was Care.
*Rebirthing*:
The biggest reason why Paul and Care are argued to be different is due to the failure of rebirthing, the dismissal of no supernatural elements and therefore rebirthing can't make Care change identity. I do strongly believe that Petscop has no supernatural elements, only fictitious elements which aren't too large a leap in logic. However, I don't think we can disregard the impacts of 'rebirthing'. The whole process of rebirthing is not only that awful machine and the music that is played, but it is the psychological grooming that convinces a child to become a whole new person.
There have been several studies which consider the link between trauma and identity; as well as some which consider the potential link between childhood trauma and gender dysphoria. I believe that someone going through the horrors of kidnapping, psychological abuse, and this awful rebirthing process, could understandably come out of it different, changed, 'rebirthed'. Especially when you consider that Care was 5 years old when they endured this, them growing up to be a different person, taking a different identity, and repressing these memories, is far from a difficult logical leap to make.
'Rebirthing' throughout the series is presented as an impossible goal, with the parallels of the windmill and Don Quixote; something that Marvin, and consequently Rainer cannot achieve. This can be interpreted to mean that the entire idea of rebirthing is meaningless and it does nothing, just a simple analogous to the traumatising of children. However, another interpretation is that rebirthing can change and alter the identity of children, but it can never be changed to what the abuser wants. Belle, Care; Tiara, Paul are their own people, and no matter what their abuser does to them, they will never be who the abuser wants them to be. Through this lens, Petscop becomes a story of revealing the horrors of abuse, and the struggles to overcome their abusers.
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In conclusion, Care and Paul are one and the same, and yet they differ. Paul is what came from the abuse that Care suffered, and we see that after everything Marvin put him through, both in the past and present, that Paul is okay. Paul's melody isn't just a climatic moment because he is defying Marvin, but also because he has embraced who he is now, no longer shackled by the melody of Care, and the trauma that they once went through.
Thanks for watching, and for the well thought out comment!
this is an incredibly well made video! this is AWESOME!!
@@carmoule thanks!!
I LOVE all petscop videos. YES
I enjoy watching stuff on petscop, this is so much more different then the other theory's that are mainly the same on other channels. Awesome video 👏
Thanks for watching, I'm glad you enjoyed!!
Great effort. High density of content and little filler or logic leaps.
Awesome new channel to watch, very glad this was in my recommendations. Plus petscop is my favorite ah.
i think this is really good, and especially the first few "episodes" help to tie up a lot of loose ends that i had not put together, such as how lina likely died and why rainer began making the game when he did. despite having a few different beliefs on the overarching plot and the end sequence, your reasoning is well put together and logical, which provides a lot of food for thought regarding my own theories and also makes for a fantastic watch! i especially appreciate the lack of supernatural/advanced ai theories, as i way prefer interpretations that focus on the real emotional, psychological human impacts of things
one thing i didnt see mentioned despite how relevant it seems is the note in the locker of the school [in petscop 23]. i personally have always viewed this as being a direct dialogue from tiara directed at her child, but even if it was from someone else directed at tiara who was a child at the time, her being a leskowitz feels quite important to what you say about belle; in fact, if it was the former like i have interpreted it, it would be further evidence towards your thoughts on her relation to marvin and rainer. perhaps as anna and linas mother, grandmother, aunt, or older sister? regardless, as an adult in the leskowitz family, she would have personal stakes in teaching marvin and rainer about rebirthing, and her note seems interesting to me as well though, i personally wouldnt be smart enough nor knowledgeable about petscop enough to make any theories regarding this. i doubt this is something you have missed entirely, as you appear to make a lot of petscop related content, but to not see it in the section of this video that focuses on tiara and her relationship to various characters and the plot caught me off guard. would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this note, even if its just a recommendation for another video of yours in which you discuss it!
@@themythicalmusee @themythicalmusee thanks for the comment, and you're right! I should have included that in my Tiara section, but alas, it slipped my mind somehow. My thoughts on it: it is signed as from Mommy, with the header labeled The Name followed by Tiara. The letter is also referred to as the new life letter. I think it was written for the intended new Tiara (the old Belle) to further get her bearings in her new life after being rebirthed by Daniel/Rainer. The wording and sentence structure of the note is weird, almost mechanical, and nothing like how a real mother would normally write to her kid. I think this lends itself to the letter being essentially staged to further the psychological manipulation that goes into rebirthing a child (making them feel unloved as they are, simulating a womb-like scenario, enveloping the mind with music related to the person trying to be reborn, and attempted memory tampering as I believe is seen in the letter). I think the letter serves to how deep the deception and psychological manipulation of rebirthing goes, and another reason why Belle is so insistent that she is indeed Tiara.
@playmaster_plus so you think marvin and/or rainer wrote the note in order to manipulate belle more? i hadnt even considered that but its really interesting, and i think it fits in very well with your interpretation and discussion of the rebirthing process. i had initially thought it was a small remnant from when the real tiara was alive and could provide more insight to her character. however, i also found myself wondering about how "fake" or unrealistic the wording was when reading it for myself, so for it to be staged to make the rebirthing subject more susceptible does seem fairly plausible. thanks for your reply!
Dude! I’ve been waiting so long for a video like this
Your wait ends now!!
minor note: I might argue that "They didn't see her" is less about them not noticing her falling in but how a child might lie about not seeing someone. If Marvin and his friend took a picture before exploring, then another one after to make it look like they weren't all together it implies some level of knowing that something wrong happened.
So Marvin and his friend went exploring, and maybe Lina fell in by accident, or maybe on purpose, but when questioned afterwards about Lina the response was "we haven't seen her".
This is a REALLY good series of theories.
@@MrXwingzerox thanks!
Absolutely amazing theories, thank you! The best I’ve heard.
Thanks for watching!!
Very interesting analysis, personally I think that after watching the video the theory holds together very well, especially the parts involving lina and the windmill which I think make a lot of sense. One part of your theory that I'm not sure I fully belive is the family in present day making edits to the game, if the family has the capability to make changes on that level it seems very likely to me they would be able to fully access the game and find it's ending without the lengths they go to, this is the one of the parts of Petscop I find difficult to justify without some paranormal or fantastical element.
i love the effort and dedication you clearly put in your videos. i subscribed like 5 minutes in. keep up the great work 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed!!
more interesting then half the other ones on this series ive seen
So, I read your adaptation of Petscop and... wow, that was really, really good. Kind of amazing, actually!
I am not a professional editor or anything, though I do write for a hobby from time to time, but you have quite a bit of talent! It really makes me curious about your other works, I'll look into whether I can find them on EU Amazon. Otherwise, I'll make a US account.
I was especially surprised by the level of cohesion the story had. Like, you have the best integration of Belle/Tiara I've ever encountered, bar none. Her part of the story is still one I find difficult to interpret, and while your interpretation differs greatly from mine, I commend the way you made it all click. That rings true for most choices you've made. While my headcanon is different, some points you make, leave me reconsidering my own views.
The way your story was built up was also really good. Good use of emotions and tension. I already know what's going to happen and it still was a thrilling read. Your prose was also quite extensive. As a non-native speaker, I had to use the dictionary a couple of times.
Like, you should send Tony a tweet with a link to your adaptation. I feel like he should read this. And also: thank you for writing this. I greatly enjoyed it. I wasn't planning on reading it completely by the way, I just couldn't put it down 😅
Wow, thanks so much!! I'm very happy to hear you both read it and enjoyed it!
hey, I loved so many of the theories in this video! Especially your analysis of Michael and Rainer’s motivation, Lina tripping and falling into the gears of the windmill (no clue why I never thought of that, I guess my mind just didn’t even wanna go there!) and the potential red herring that was the entire Windmill puzzle.
I’m curious about your take on the beginning of Petscop 9, where the inputs of the player in the demo line up with Paul’s inputs during the daisy scene in Petscop 2, but only once on the treadmill in Pen’s room. In addition to the absurdity of this particular syncing incident, the inputs do sync perfectly in terms of timing but do not involve identical button presses (the player in the demo is pushing Up on the control stick, Paul is using a button to interact with the flower). The synced moment also disregards as Paul thinks to check the room beside the flower before plucking all of the petals (the player on the treadmill stands still until Paul returns to the daisy room to finish plucking its petals).
I know it’s not the only moment of syncing, but it was an iconic moment in my eyes, along with the “experience” Paul encounters in Petscop 11 as he first investigates the bathroom, where he openly comments that he saw a block above the bathtub that was shown in one version of the clip, but not the other. Also very odd that on one side of the clip, the camera pans in to the TV, and on the other side, it pans away from the TV. It could be video editing trickery, but 1) Why? and 2) Paul comments he thought he saw the block above the bathtub.
The other syncing moments are very strange to me as well, the strangest of all of them being another scene in Petscop 9 when Paul enters Lina’s room, and another Guardian character is seen exiting the room just as Paul enters. Paul barely comments on it (“…‘Kay?”), and then proceeds to move in the EXACT same way after he reads the note and exits the room.
Thoughts there?
Holy cow. This is the most well-put-together theory I've ever seen. How is it MatPat got famous and you're barely seen?
Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed!
Great video, really well done!
Thanks!
I really enjoyed these theories, thank you for this whole project!
Thank YOU for watching!!
Awesome video mate. Keep it up!
@@masterstealth11 thanks!
this is fantastic and what I feel I was looking for for a Long time in theory crafting. please never use the word unalive again though. really great video hope u do more
@@fernatticus5134 thanks!
I always thought that Paul disassociated with his old identity, repressing all the memories and forget all the trauma and used to be Care, because there's the school counselor meeting in Petscop 22, while she talks to Paul (that's what the character or ai calls itself when asked) and tells him that he has been busy catching up the classes because he was kidnapped (as Care) and also the counselor talks about how distinguishing left and right can be difficult (Paul has trouble opening doors and knowing where left and right is, as we heard in Petscop 14 and the door on Petscop 1 saying the player cannot open doors) and the last thing, the counselor says that she hopes Paul to find his real house, possibly meaning that he was given to an orphanage like the child library, since Daniel/Rainer died in 2000 (the calender in the house points out 2000 as far as i can remember) and its been 3 years after Care's (now is Paul) kidnapping, it most likely means he was still keeping an eye on Paul in the school since it's the same one (and the Garalina office was in the same building, and i guess the orphanage sent Paul to the same school) Rainer got some new info on what Care(Paul) has become, and added new things to the game because of that, giving the hopelessness of not being able to open doors etc. (he might even have talked to the consoler to record their voices so he can add a recreation of the meeting in the game)... Even tho Paul doesn't remember "Care" or Marvin, we also have to remember he was disturbed by the censored objects (which were most likely casket 1 and 2, the vase that Marvin used to abuse Care and the spinning triangle which was Care spinning) Paul most likely remembers those because they were things that impacted him the most, and tbh he was disturbed a lot the more he kept playing, maybe he was realizing his past as Care... Last thing, I don't believe that Rainer actually blames Care for Mike's accident/death, I always thought that he cares about Care, and was very sad and angry of what she became after all of the trauma she has gone through, Rainer made the game to confront all of his family, including his own parents too (since the Mark's and Hammond's are all family, cousins and aunts), I also wanted to add a little theory of my own (which is mostly similar to yours at the end), I saw that people say that Jill is Anna's sister but to me Jill can be Marvin's sister instead, Jill knew about Paul being Care and she made him play the game not only so he could see what happened to him in the past and get to know more about the game (That her son Rainer/Daniel made), but she was also in contact with Marvin all along, and wanted to help him so Paul/Care could become Lina, Jill also knew about Lina i would assume, let's remember that at some point, it seems that Paul was being held and tracked in the Garalina testing rooms in Petscop 15...
I might have messed up which Petscop video it was so sorry about that, I forget which is which easily-
Yeassss another hour long video to pass the time
great job! thanks for the video
@@tadesubaru1383 thanks for watching !
The only theory video I have seen about Petscop that doesn't attempt to inject some arbitrary plot elements that aren't observable in the original content.
Your theory is the only one that seems to actually construct a narrative out of the events depicted in the series, as opposed to grasping at straws. The generative AI theories always bothered me after we get to see Impulse, because nothing about the Impulse menu looks like it's for "AI generation" other than there being lots of recordings(which adds to horror imo, Paul has been searching for so long the recordings this version of Petscop has accrued makes it look like a Super Meat Boy after you complete a stage.)
Watching these gave me a sense of closure on the series, as this is how I interpreted the canon despite missing some pieces.
Most audiences sought outlandish explanations for things, and I think that's part of the work; in a story about systematic gaslighting and abuse it seems apt for the audience to pursue those types of explanations instead of the things that should seemingly be "obvious." Like a child's mind rationalizing the abuse they have suffered; It seems dark, confusing, and disorienting, which is where everything in both Petscop the game and the series are trying to take you.
Is Paul trans? Is the game actually for making AI? Is there a ghost trapped in it? These explanations all dodge the thing the creator, Paul, Rainer, and maybe even the family wanted us to see from the start. The only thing we know for certain there was/is a group of people convincing children to not be themselves, literally; with said victims potentially facing unspoken physical violence as well. I think that's the core of this series. Just the feeling of shock and unresolved angst and confusion these types of events can leave you with.
Petscop definitely has some problems with it's presentation and story, but I think it achieves more than it fails at. It was fun watching the original run and it was fun watching your video.
@@VVulf_chan thanks for watching and the well constructed comment! Petscop was a fascinating series to analyze
Omg thank you so much!!!
Finaly someone who agrees with me
No dumb AI or lazy magical timeline theory
Great video
@@V0451 thanks!!
I’ve been interested in petscop for a while now. I very much agree with all of your points and it’s my first time coming across someone who also thinks that Petscop is about the story of the family and nothing paranormal is happening that takes away from (in my opinion) the point of the game. I do agree Micheal was hit by a car chasing the dog, however, one thing I think you should take into consideration is if it was *Marvin* that ran over Micheal. Would Daniel really not hold it against him?
*(Please note that what I’m about to say is based off of the current theories we share)*
The death of his brother was enough to drive Daniel (who is clearly a person of intelligence) to kidnap a child, believe in the delusion of rebirth, and even attempt to rebirth a child. Marvin was a man who Daniel hated enough to have the willpower to solve his friend’s disappearance (which went 20 years unsolved) and spend a year making a video game based around Marvin’s wrongdoings and past.
As well as, if Linas death was an accident, Daniel knew that. Yet in the game, he almost comes off as if he’s teasing Marvin over what happened to Lina, despite Marvin playing no part in it. Daniel definitely shows that he can both view something as an accident, yet still (somewhat) hold it against Marvin.
Considering Daniel’s character would he really put no blame onto Marvin? Especially to the extent that Micheal is barely even mentioned in the game that was made to torment Marvin.
PS: Of course this is in no way a criticism, this is just me sharing my opinion since we seem to view petscop in a very similar way and I thought you may be interested to hear a contradicting point from an adjacent perspective. All in all, these are very solid and well thought-out theories and I’m excited for the full analysis if you make one.
@@salemrex thanks for watching and for the comment! I did very briefly mention how I think the lingering gravestone writing in Marvin's playthrough specifically was a subtle way of Daniel plaguing Marvin with blame for the death
@@playmaster_plus yes I took note of that (I forgot to mention it in the original comment sorry) but I think that Daniel is shown to be too much of an extremest when pushed to do something that discrete. Although, you are completely right in the fact that the lingering gravestone definitely has some kind of significance.
What a great video thank you so much!
Thanks for watching!
Sorry, just stumbled across this video while making dinner. That did clear up a few things. I got Rainer and Marvin had collaborated in the past, but that starting because Rainer wanted to rebirth his baby brother makes too much sense. I also picked up on the photo thing, where the windmill didnt collapse, it was just a change in perspective. I haven't seen anyone else say that. I am no where near having a concrete grasp on things, but do think there has to some level of supernatural elements. Just having gone through twin peaks and blue velvet multile times now, I feel like a series has to have some aspects of it. Why make it this abstract, though this whole posting this online seemingly is because the family cant just come out and say things about what happened. I also do think the game is able to read your mind, and create "ghosts" of people, as silly as that is. There was a point where Tony reeled back on things around episode 10, so who even knows what we where originally going to see. I also think that the gravestones aren't actual deaths and are to symbolize a loss of innocence, but I should probably stop essay dumping here
UGH YES MORE PETSCOP ANALYSES TO EAT UP
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My forever theory for Paul and Care is that Paul is part of a DID / OSDD system and is trans.
From what I know, DID and OSDD are always caused by severe trauma when a child is very young, very often child abuse, before 5 years if I recall. This tracks with Care's story and I feel that she easily could've had more trauma prior since even Care A seems unhappy and dissociated.
Since it happens so young, it disrupts the child's ability for the parts of their consciousness to fuse, and so they never do. And, in DID / OSDD there's always an Apparently Normal Part that is protected from the traumatic memories that other parts will hold or have access too. There can be memories that will slip through the cracks though.
Paul is the Apparently Normal Part. He formed after Care's trauma and took over as the host (the part of the system that is in control of the body most often.) He always conceived himself as male and so legally transitioned. Even though he's aware of being trans I think it's possible for the memory of his former name to have blocked out as it could be a reminder of trauma.
Care in this case represents the part(s) that hold all the traumatic memories and Paul is just now coming into contact with them. I figure for some of the playthrough he's dissociating at least somewhat because he's not supposed to see any of this. There could be other parts of the system taking over, like a protector. Rainer may have wanted to remind Paul, thinking the rebirthing worked in some awful way, but to my knowledge this is a very poor way to tell a system about their past.
I think the fact that it accounts for a lot of the confusion between their two identities, as well as the clear links to child abuse and trauma make it a great candidate. The themes of Petscop work very well with DID and OSDD.
Plus, DID / OSDD are surprisingly covert most of the time. The only clue you could have into someone being part of a system, in my experience anyway, is occasional gaps in memory and opinions that seem to change randomly. The other parts of the system know how to blend in with the host fairly well. If Paul is part of a system I don't think it would be clear to his estranged family or the audience. Maybe only Belle and Rainer in my opinion. Lina too if she's alive.
The creator would have to be a huge lib to put those kind of ideas in his work..
@tizza963 maybe he is, I've heard he supports the trans headcanons
@@tizza963 oh my god dude grow tf up
Ok I kinda noticed about rebirthing is that It focuses on bringing the dead back to life. Here Marvin tries to "rebirth" Lina which he assumes dead. So what if the real Tiara (Not Belle) was dead and Marvin and Rainer tried to "rebirth" her using Belle but failed cause she gave up. Similarly, Marvin also used care for rebirthing into "Lina" but it didn't worked and Paul was born.
In the windmill, one of the shadow monsters used tool to hurt Lina...
23:35 Took us a while to get to the title! What a cold open.
really good video!
Thanks!
One of the theories ive had for a while is that paul was born a boy, and that marvin and anna [because i think she was complicit in the rebirthing at first] started plucking his eyebrows and making him dress as a girl and being adressed as care to try and groom him into being rebirthed as lina. When he escaped from the school, anna realized how messed up it was and stopped doing that. This is kind of a stretch ik, but when daniel was listing cares family while care was playing, no siblings were listed, which is right when care came back so it wouldnt make sense that paul was already whisked away by anna so quickly. Also if care isnt paul? Where is she now? I dont know lol. I love ur theories man ur theories agree on a lot of the same things as mine, especially with the anna/jill thing
@@WackoFerret I've seen that theory around, it is a pretty good one
That was very persuasive, but one thing I don't understand is why Belle stops talking on the phone during the "are-you-in-a-car?" conversation when Belle appears on screen. Does she know about the contents of the disc? It seems almost as if she's playing the game at the same time Paul is at several points.
@@AM-is1jh yeah it is weird, in this I tries to spin it as she guessed the recording was still happening and wanted to try to find ak inadvertent way to communicate with Paul during that segment
@@playmaster_plus Another thing that was on my mind is Pink Tool. If either it's Daniel's original game from 2000 or the modified version you posit, why would Pink Tool tell Paul to turn the Playstation off? Seems counterintuitive to the posited explanation w/r/t any motivation. I don't believe for a second this message could've come from Daniel. It could be texture edited as many other things edited by Belle during a previous playthrough, or put in the game by the family, but why? Sorry if I missed you explaining this already.
Essentially meaning that any interpretation that denies that the game is acting somewhat reactively seems a bit off... there's also the mirrored inputs like when Paul's moved are predicted in Petscop 9. I still don't understand that, since he is supposedly playing in real time.
Though one thing that gives credence to the idea that Belle knows what's on the disc is that she helps Paul solve several puzzles, he references her "genius" in the call which she denies, so that can all make sense with this video's theory
@@AM-is1jh yeah I said it was Belle texture editing in the video somewhere
Love the vid, just wish the audio was a bit higher
I think these theories are like probably basically true and make sense, but one point I would like to raise is that there is no mention of the possibility of Paul being Care after transitioning while talking about them bwing the same person. Otherwise great stuff
I may have missed it but can you offer an explaination for why different characters seemed to move like Paul moves in the future? Not aligning with the AI explaination leaves that as a sort of loose end
We know the game keeps exact controller inputs of previous playthroughs in storage. If Paul's movements match that of a recording from an earlier date, it could be him mimicking the recording as we know he was using them for inspiration, and if recordings from a date future to when Paul played the game could be overlaying his controller inputs similar to the impulse room.
@@playmaster_plus that does make a lot of sense. excellent vid 👍
@@scroticlese thanks!
Is the pair of tweezers actually a tuning fork? because right next to it, on the same table actually, is what looks to be an instrument.
@@_Lividity_ I think the fact that Mike went missing at one point lends itself to them being tweezers
yu were here for us when matpat wasnt 🤞🤞thank you….
sorry i had to stop watching when you said that it was unrealistic for paul to repress and alter memories of his traumatic childhood but it makes perfect sense that his mom would be able to convince him that his sister didnt exist
Yeah I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have repressed memories, just the severity of the repression with some memories and the selective recall of others from the similar time period deterred me from concluding that that would be a definitive explanation for him previously being Care
@@playmaster_plus my understanding is that when someone has repressed memories its not blanket amnesia, but holes relating to the trauma that are filled in with false memories. also i think repressed memories due to trauma makes more thematic sense than missing memories due to being sheltered
@@existemoo totally valid!
Please correct me if you think I’m mistaken but the only issue with the Paul=care and repressed the memories theory, is that repressed memories don’t stay repressed forever. Your brain represses memories in childhood to protect your mental state while you are in that environment. The thing about that is, once you’re out of a toxic environment and your brain thinks you are “safe” the memories reappear when provoked with a trigger.
Paul is confirmed to be a landlord, meaning that it is highly unlikely that he is still living with his family and probably hasn’t been for a while now (he is 25 at this point). In petscop 7, Paul seeing the [censored object] should have been enough to uncover at least some of these memories, since it was something that very clearly related to him around 1997 (the year the repressed memories are from). Petscop 7 is the first video posted where the channel is being run by the family. Paul is quite open about the fact that he had been very distant with his family up until this point. Petscop 6 was posted 9 days before this. 9 days is no where near enough time for his adult brain to feel the need to repress these memories once more.
So yes, it is most definitely possible that paul=care with repressed memories, but technically speaking, it’s highly unlikely.
@@salemrex i mean fair, i interpreted it as paul having partially recovered some memories but hadnt been able to process and internalise this info.
So. It's over.
At long last!
Can we please pronounce Care as Carrie? It just makes it easier for me.
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I found a series for you to cover next if you're interested. I don't know if it's finished or not, though.
is this actually solved or am I dreaming
I'm happy with my theories!
Maybe the door was only closed, not opened. The order of events of the photos is reversed from what narrator implies.
you love to see it
Has anyone here actually read the novella the creator wrote? It's really not that deep. Petscop is based on that novella. It's an absurdist piece of literature and a lot of it doesn't have any deeper meaning to it.
I've read it, and Petscop the web series differs from it so much that I think its best to view them as separate stories completely (although the inspiration/parallels can certainly be drawn)
I may be mis-remembering, but didn't the creator say the novella had nothing to do with it? Been a while so I might be wrong
fat chance lol but ill watch it
this was so good!! Excuse me! The beauty of petscop is that it is not to be solved objectively. So I don't fully see eye to eye with your interpretation (i still firmly believe Paul is Care), but this video still had a great attention to detail i have been craving and unsatisfied by in most other theories. You opened my eyes to details i neglected, like marvin typing "did you dig" to tool which i never noticed or have seen discussed. I'm also VERY glad that you explored the possibility of the game having been tampered with in a modern setting as i had already believed it myself and it was just great not to feel alone in that lol.. petscop is fascinating!! Thank you for these videos
when video about rebirthing
@@FunkyHarrison it was combined into this one
@@playmaster_plus oh I see.
@@playmaster_plus I gotta say I have been frustrated about so many of the petscop "explanations" that would just say "oh it's crazy advanced AI" or oh "Paul must be care because reasons" even tho we can clearly hear by paul's voice that he is a man and was never born female. This vid deserves waaay more recognition, it is an explanation that is grounded in logic and still manages to clearly and coherently explain almost the entirely of the series, (at least what's most important).
I was wondering what your thoughts were about the caskets (The censored objects) I always found Paul's reaction at seeing the vase, and the spinning pyramid with care's face odd, why does he have an excessive reaction only then?
What about the vase do you think might have made him uncomfortable other than the fact that it was a representation of his room?
What do you think was the writing on the chalkboard? and the significance of the stencil?
Those were the only other things i wondered about.
Unfortunately, you can't really go on your way to claim you "solved" the game especially if what you're saying is all about theories. Petscop is too complex to solve even if you think you're going by 100% logical process, this game's sense of logic works differently.
you gotta have that clickbait tho
@@playmaster_plus what do you mean?
@@playmaster_plus Oh I see yeah true
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