You can do some really fun things with Elemental Specialist if you combine that with a Sorcerer, namely the Crossblooded. If you pick both Red and Gold dragon, you get a total of +2 damage for every dice on all spells with the Fire descriptor. Then for a Mythic ability you can go with a additional bloodline, and then pick the Brass dragon. Viola! You now get +3 damage on every single dice roll for fire spells. That means that a single Fireball at CL 10 will deal a whole 30 damage on top of the regular. But wait, there's more! If you go with the Demon path you can pick the Brimorak Aspect, which gives a additional +2 damage on all dice rolls, which means that Fireball we just mentioned now deals extra 50 damage. And for shits and giggles, let's add Bolster Spell into the mix, which adds another two, which gives us in total a whooping +7 damage for every single dice. And with Focused Element from the class all damage is converted into Fire damage, so like you mentioned in the video it can be combined with Ascended Element for some really fun shenanigans. What makes this even better still is that there are many items in the game that boost Fire damage, like Ring of Pyromania or Mallander's Insult. Shit's bonkers.
I made something similar with black, copper and green dragon bloodlines, and with an oread. They all gives you bonus to acid. There is a bit less item to boost it though...
I know this is an old comment, but you can no longer double dip dragon bloodlines just in case anyone reading this now tries this (it's me, I tried it)
i just started as sylvian sorcerer. i played kingmaker but the amount of option in wotr is insane i actually got overwhelmed with the amount of classes/archetypes lol.
Personally, I like Demonslayer the most. Given how 90 percent of the enemies in the game are demons and only 10 percent are cultists, investing time into this build are worth it. Arusheale is good too with Espionage Expert, but she doesn't get an animal companion unlike Demonslayer.
Give her the Triceratops Statuette, and problem solved. That item can summon you a Triceratops companion, if you doesn't have any - and it's level always the same as it's summoner's. Except it's a pre-built pet, so you cannot control it's level up improvements...
Cavalier of the paw dex build is my favorite, it takes a couple of levels before it’s amazing as you have to do all the dex combat feats, but when paired with mounted combat your animal companion is never hit as your mobility score is insane. Paired with all the tactician feats and if you use a mythic feat to have dex apply to weapon rolls redgardless of your other hand is holding then you can dual weild on top of a mounts attacks.
I'm a console player so I'm looking forward to playing the game soon and Cavalier of the Paw always appealed to me as a first character. The idea of a highly mobile mounted dodge-tank just sounds too much fun
Because that would require her to be more brainy, less brawny. Her personality would get damaged from that decision... Also, you might be able to get good alchemical ingridients in the caves, but the same not true for the required equipment.
I dunno ... the underground where she's at doesn't look like it has much science going on. They can barely get a full stomach down there. An education and alchemical lab sounds too out of place for me. She is the way she is because of demon filth, not because of alchemy. There's more than one way to become a freak. I'm struggling to see it as a "missed opportunity" in this particular case.
She was supposed to be a ranger. My Theory is that when they decided to make Arueshale a Ranger instead of Master Spy (she is just a redeemed succubus stat block with Master Spy and some mythic levels on top in the AP), they ended up just making Wenduag a Fighter
@@luisgustamy biggest question is, why isnt she a hunter? They added the Hunter class, made a companion who is well regarded as the strongest hunter of her tribe, and her class is not a hunter?
Elemental Specialists do have a something they give up, and it's actually pretty big -- they get 3 opposition schools instead of 2. If you're 100% focused into blasting and have zero intention to do anything else, it's no big deal. But if you want even a sliver of fexibility, 3 opposition schools is a big problem.
Enchantment, Divination and Necromancy. The 1st 2 are so auto-pick you don't even get this option as a Thassalonian. The 3rd does get great late game spells. But you're not going to miss them for what you get. Now, this isn't Exploiter Wizard levels of broken. But if you want the best base for your Arcane Trickster, here you go.
If you want to just blast - just make a sorcerer. You can stack two Dragon bloodlines with Elemental bloodline through crossblooded + mythic feat, and outdamage wizard all the time, every time
@@Kammereer No you can't. Because AT synergizies much, much better with wizard. And as a Sorcerer who multiclasses into it you're sacrificing even more spell levels to a wizard. And AT will outdamage any other blaster.
I used a SS mercenary playing through as a trickster. It was just utterly insane with all the extra crit feats, especially with the trickster spell that makes all rolls 20s for 3 turns. (But even without it...) It was also amazing each time an enemy triggered an attack of opportunity, got killed, then triggered the great cleave eliminating every enemy in melee range.
-Hunters are great! I typically go divine hunter because I like making my pet celestial. One thing I don't think you mentioned is that Hunters are spontaneous casters so you don't have to worry about whether you used a spell slot for a heal, buff or restoration. -I get kineticists now. I wanted to love them so much but they seemed bland up until maybe a month ago. I didn't quite get the gather power and infusions until now and wow, are they amazing! -My other favorite is a Half Orc great axe rowdy. At level 6, I sneak attacked something for 99 damage! For comparison, my other high damage classes do: 30-40 for kineticist, and the same rowdy with a crossbow does 40-50 -I rerolled my cleric to a wildland shaman and it seems cool enough to have and orc riding a boar. It is early and while it is better than a cleric, it doesn't seem like I wouldn't have been better off with another hunter. -2 dip witch of the veil is great for concealment. I may try that again with a mutation warrior or just go straight mutation warrior. -Sword Saint is another of those classes I need to revisit since I have never gotten why they are so powerful. Although, if I 2 dip into witch of the veil, that might be interesting. -I am so glad they finally released the rogue like DLC. It really is the way I've wanted to play the game since launch.
If you want something like the Elemental Wizard but as a spontaneous caster, Sorcerer with any of the Elemental bloodlines would be the way to go as their bloodline arcana grants that energy substitution ability at-will. Plus this can be combined with Overwhelming Mage for the spell penetration benefits.
Is sorcerer a beginner friendly class in WotR? I’m interested in playing a spontaneous caster but I’m unsure which archetype to pick. Some context, I’ve played Baldur’s Gate and Pillars of Eternity, but both games as a Paladin. I wanted to try something different and make a gish character this time around
@@TheElduin Arguably more beginner friendly than the wizard, as you just pick what spells you know on level up and can then cast them as you wish. Since the wizard needs to say "1 casting of mage armor, two magic missiles, and one grease" every morning, you can't just spontaneously spend all your resources on grease if the need comes up. The sorc also gets more spells per day at the cost of 1 level slower spell progression.
@@TheElduin you do need to know a bit of what spells are good and what to avoid as a sorcerer, since unlike a wizard you can only ever get the spells you get to select on level up. But as long as you don't end up picking a spellbook full of poor spells, the rest of the package is probably more beginner friendly and less to manage than wizards once you get blasting. Though if you want a gish, one of the magus subclasses would basically give you that right out of the gate. Eldritch Scion would also be a spontaneous caster
I always prefered Sage Sorcerer, due to INT focused spellcasting, and the fact I did my Kingmaker run with it. Now Sure, you're weak early on. But by the time you get Fireball, you're second to none with damage dealing by spellcasting. - naturally spell penetration is a must in WotR.
I love Magus of all flavors, but both in this game and Kingmaker I always felt decision paralysis since I can't guarantee the weapon I choose would have good options so I usually moved away from Sword Saint. I was also really determined to make Arcane Rider work but at least on launch mounts were a bit rough.
There is a mod in Kingmaker and Wotr that put every weapon in a type group. Meaning if you take weapon focus on Elven Curved Blade (as excample) it instead let you pick the type group that in this excample would be Heavy Blades. Meaning you are specialised in all weapons for that type. Longsword, Two Handed Weapon, Scimitar, etc. It's called Weapon Focus Plus. Available on Nexus.
Magus is such a good class, as Aeon notes there was a mod for kingmaker which I used allowing you to focus on things like elven curved blades(best weapon look I think). Something about cutting through the fabric of reality with a sword saint is really cool. ‘Nice AC you got there, shame if my weapon ignored it!’
Kingmaker seemed to like bunching all of the gear for certain classes at different parts of the game. There was a ton of great magus scimitars, but almost all of them were in Pitax. I played a Wizard, and I only found robes and staffs that I could use in Vordekai's tomb, and then it gave me 3 sets of robes and 4 staffs. Hoping WoTR doesn't do this too once it comes out on consoles.
The thing to remember is your weapon choice can be whatever you like. Finnean can cover a bad loot choice. And by Act IV, you'll be able to buy a version sufficient for end game. And enhancement bonus is a secondary concern. Because your pool can provide it.
Brown-Fur Transmuter and then the rest of the party I pick the archetype that gives animal companions. This is extremely fun to play in real time mode.
Another thing to consider with Brown Fur (and all Arcanists) is that with DLC3, any Arcanist PC or Companion who can get at least 17 (but 20 is better) caster levels can cast 24 hour round/level spells, regardless of Mythic Path. It's practical value is not very high, but people go nuts over making things like that "technically" work. You get 3 caster levels for the new robes, and another 2 to ANY Arcanist Spell by using the Arcanist Exploit to increase CL. Which is enough on its own at level 20 to 24 hour any spell cast from your Arcanist Spellbook. There's a headband that add +1 CL and you can take Spell Specialization in a specific spell for another +2 CL -- but then you're limited to only that one spell and you need Spell Focus in the corresponding school to take Specialization.
Nice video as always Mordy, I'm always rewatching your videos on the classes and archetypes while playing or just teorycrafting. Keep the awesome work!
Should also add Sensei Monk, and Incense Synthesizer Alchemist to the list as well. Two very powerful additions to any team in providing unique buffs and debuffs.
Brown Fur Transmuter is something I really want to try, even on my main PC. Sure, my character personally won't be anything special, but with a team full of characters with animal companions, it sounds really funny. Plus, you're still an arcanist and also whatever your mythic path is, so youll still be doing stuff other than buffing. I might do that on my Lich run, or another one that synergizes well
When I created Legend for Inevitable Excess, I wanted to do SS+MW. And I found out that Fighter Training (SS levels = - 3lvl fighter for feats) also works for Discoveries of Mutagen Warrior so you can get Mutagens on lvl 7 and 10 of MW. 9SS+MW10, and you get Grand Mutagen, which is nice for Legend path, since you need 9 lvls of MW less for that, that can go towards something else.
My solution to the BFT issue is to use the respec mod to turn Nenio into that class. I think it fits her just as well as her initial class RP wise and it results in you getting a great BFT without having to have your MC be a supporting character in their own story.
Elemental Engine Kineticist gets massive boosts to attack and damage when their burn is maxed out, and their gather power ability decreases burn costs at max burn as well, meaning you can throw maximized kinetic blasts much earlier.
Elemental engine is a trap. The strongest infusions (eruption, wall, cloud and deadly earth) are not attacks. So these bonus are wasted, and to make things worse, the DC is 10 + 1/2kin level + dex/con bonus and this class loses physical attribute bonus from elemental overflow.
Having played a hunter in a pathfinder campaign it definitely is limited in wrath of the righteous. One of the animal focuses in the ttrpg is mouse which gives evasion and at 12th level improved evasion. Which in the ttrpg is pretty good and if it were implemented in wrath would've made base hunter a bit more appealing. Another thing I'm not sure if it's the same in wrath as I haven't played ranger or druid in it yet but in the tabletop a hunter has access to both ranger and druid spells and if a spell is shared it takes it at the lower level. Rangers tend to get some spells at lower spell levels than druids I believe to compensate how late they have access to spells. The teamwork feats automatically being shared between you and your animal companion as well as acting as bonus feats provides a wide range for customization possibilities. I know this post is a bit long but I just really like the class. Although I wish they'd add the other 3 elemental races (sylph, Undine, and ifreet) as well as at least the Undine's watersinger bard subclass.
The Sacred Hunter is one I really should have looked at. I play a Sacred Huntsmaster, mostly because I'm playing an Azata with the Friendship super power, and beaming all your teamwork feats to your team is really strong. When I critical something my entire team will just dumpster it - then I focus my entire team into critical buffs, and stuff that increases attacks of opportunity - and they do hilarious amounts of damage very quickly. Still relies a bit on crit RNG, but that isn't terrible when you got lots of attacks near the end game. I do back her up with a Swordsaint, with a unique Estoc that with feats gets her crit range to like 14 to 20. With Haste your almost guaranteed at least one critical a turn - a crit that also triggers attacks of opportunies from everyone else via team work feats. It's a build I'm very happy with haha. So I'm pretty much locked into something with lots of teamwork feats. That being said - I really like Bane as well - But judgement might be better because you can hotswap your bonuses based on need ... I'll need to think about this.
Thanks for the Divine Hound nod. Needed an extra character in my party and built an Elven female riding her wolf. Gave her Finnian as an elven blade and she has a crit range from 15 to 20 and gets some boosts with teamwork feats. They pack a wallop!
I made Lann a Divine Hound Hunter after Level 4. Kept him with a Longbow then I give him the best Wisdom and Dex gear (Wisdom adds AC for Lann + Spell bonuses) and I always make use of the animal and self buffs he gets. I HIGHLY recommend this build. Lann and Zylo (his dog) is INDISPENSABLE they wreck on core difficultly, so I am sure this build can at least do Hard.
I think Demon Dancer could be mentioned, too. If you take a rage power before going into demon dancer you can apply an additional totem and get 2 addtional bite attacks for your entire party, including your mounts and summons, as soon as level 4. Just don't pick up Ivu. Since a round out of combat takes only a second he will get something like 20d6 damage every second. This class isn't just increadibly strong, it makes for a pretty unique playstyle, too. Combined with a comunity (and animal) domain and a order of the lion cavalier it is an entirely different playstyle.
Divine Hunter can be insanely fun. I recommend taking domain zealot for swift domain powers, with madness and luck domains, and say one other domain that has a decent buff (such as community or good). If you can't hit the enemies (such as for bosses), you can put your celestial-template infinitely-smiting pet on them, while you cast two domain buffs per round on your pet, for anything up to +18 to hit (madness + good domain), and/or a luck effect. The pet smite is already raising the damage of every attack by +20 by level 20, and that also applies to damage from various proc effects like acid maw and claws of the sacred beast gloves. Because you also get the domain spells as full class spells (which even most clerics don't get, since they can only put their domain spells in their domain slots), you can gain access to some oddly useful things not normally available to a hunter, such as divine power (via war or glory) or true strike (via luck or destruction). If there's still a spell you want but can't take through a domain, you are a caster so can dip loremaster for a level to pick it up. Extremely versatile class, can be a decent damage dealer, good support via spells and the domain powers, and totally competent tank (via its pet). If it wasn't for the fact you only get to caster L6, I'd say you could solo the game with it.
First run through the game, just reached act 3 with elemental specialist. I'm having realizations that I probably could have had an easier time if I just went with mutagen fighter :D
My favourite is a high Charisma, Int, Dex Character where I lower my wisdom and str completely. 1 level dip in monk scaled fist, 2-3 levels in paladin for charisma saving throws and fear and disease immunity. Then I go sword saint and duelist for canny defense stacking. This makes your character nearly immune to damage. Get that shield spell and evasion spells and you are invincible. Sadly this works only with Lawful Good but what is Toybox for anyway xD. If you don't care about damage much you can also take a seeker Oracle dip to get dex AC from Charisma instead. And pump those charisma numbers. xD
Will be playing at last, this week. I'm gonna make two characters. One will be a Emperyal Sorcerer/Ecclesiatheurge/Mystic theurge. The other will be a Demon hunter. Both will be Aasimar.
Weirdly enough, I picked Sword Saint as my initial class when playing Pathfinder: Kingmaker for the first time. After trying out just about all of the other class options available in Kingmaker and WotR, it's still one of my favorites (right alongside standard Kineticists)
Havent actually played but as im determined to buy the game from my next paycheck, i've been planning on making arcane enforcer/duelist with possibly dual wielding to make most out of sneak attacks when paired with high BAB
If you are a wizard aficionado, I highly recommend spell master which provides enourmous amount of spontenous casting. This is especially a great choice if you are also considering to become a lich.
I would also recommend Cavalier in general and Fearsome Leader for an evil character playthrough. Being able to deal x2 damage on a Charge Attack with melee + damage from your mount is quite fun. You re also quite tanky and fast by being mounted 👍
If you are looking for more content ideas, I would love to see a couple types of videos. One would be like a state of the game sort of thing. What sort of characters work now and what doesn’t work now that we have had a bunch of patches. I would also be into build guides for any of these. I like your videos of all pathfinder content, and you explain these complex systems so well. In any case, I look forward to whatever you choose to release.
Interesting takes, anyways your recommendation of this game just got me through my first blind core playthrough. For players like me cross blood sorc into triple blood sorc is strong, rangers are strong like storm blooded because free teleport, blood ragers are strong because they have the most explosive turn 1 self buff power depending on blood line, dex gogue fighters that can attack up to 7 times or more then anyone else really, oracle are both full clerics and full fire casters, that's really just scratching the surface.
There is one interesting combo that is accessible to legend in vanilla game, or if you play gestalt class via toy box. It is going into mystical theurg with magus+ war priest. Magus specialty must be melee. Via shared spell books, it is possible to prepare shock touch into warpriest book. It makes spell quickened if it has any other metamagic added, but it will be delivered with full attack, then you can cast magus version and make another full attack. In vanilla it need legend to be viable , too low of a level on base classes on any other MP. Like 4 magus and 4 warpriest with some number of mystical theurge to get shared spell books. Of course it needs to get two mental stats pretty high. But still it’s incredibly cool. Like magic blender making about 13 attacks per round with some spells weaved in. My fav is sword saint with if I recall correctly faith protector , warpriest spec with smite. Holy hell it transforms enemy into pile of red goo. Probably a bug on how fervour is used with touch spells but still. BTW used without other metamagic, it will target your own character.
Thug is a good class you can combine with a lot of other classes like inquisitors and Aldori Swordlord. Just put 4 levels into it and you get better intimidation (can cause terror and shaken), 2 sneak attacks, Debilitating injury, 2 Rogue Talents, Finesse Training, Weapon Finesse, Brutal Beating, Evasion, and Uncanny Dodge. Also, you get a lot of skill points.
I wish every Sword Saint build would mention the key method for making spell combat work - if you wield a weapon with one hand you have to also turn on the “Use One Handed” ability or spell combat is not going to work like you think it will. Also, never underestimate the hilarious(?) amount of fun that Zippy Magic + Brown Fur Transmuter is. Your target + one other random friendly gets whatever buff you use so it can be a fun bit of roulette to see who gets to be Dragons today.
Divine Hunter (Hunter Archetype) gets my vote. It's the only spontaneous casting class that gets to add Cleric Domain spells to its spellbook. So if you combine this with Trickster and Religion tier 3 you can add up to 5 additional spells to your spellbook without having to pick up impossible domain ❤ + you get to use the domain abilities like Guarded Heath and Aura of Heroism AND cast the 7-8-9 level spells as spell-like abilities. Other classes that get my vote: - Deliverer (Slayer) (a really good class for Seelah to dip into imo) - Divine Scion (Paladin) (really strong with reach weapons) - Emphyreal Sorcerer (Sorc) (can channel energy to heal allies) - Leyline Guardian (Witch) (probably the best class for a Winter Witch)
Divine hound is one of the best builds for Lann too. He dips into his archer build for the wisdom pickup on ranged attacks then goes straight divine hound and you can stack wisdom instead of Dex for him.
Doing my first playthrough and I'm in act 3. I've changed my class 3 times lmao. I'm going to change it again. It's very fun to mess around with builds and see what I le to play
Recently started my angelic path again and I have a merc mutation warrior as my main tank along with a wolf, dog and bismuth the triceratops as my main beaters. my other characters are more for buffing and filling the battlefield with beasties. It's freaking insane.
In one of my campaigns I play as a mutation warrior The DM also allowed for spheres of power and my God mutation warrior is the most OP class that I have ever played. I basically built her to be a crit machine and she just decimates everything
The mutagen fighter dip , really helped my multiclass freebooter/fighter/thug build that focused on intimidation. Saved me from having to take a 1 lvl dip into Alchemist, that I did in Kingmaker.
Another solid video Mort. Do you (or anyone else) have Mythic suggestions for the classes you mentioned? Elemental Specialist seems great for Azata and Mutation Warrior gives me Demon vibes for sure.
BFT makes a good lich, mutation goes well with trickster/demon/angel, sword saint would be fine with just about anything but trickster for max dmg, elemental specialist makes a great lich, and divine hound goes well with Azata or Angel
@@MortismalGaming Oh I missed this! I think you're the only youtuber that responds to questions semi consistently! Ty for the advice, I was actually thinking of going cruromancer
After finishing Final Fantasy XII TZA, it's time to comeback to a CRPG, but here I'm confronted to the character creation panel and well ... there is too much choices x'). Thanks for your videos again, they are very helpful, I'm thinking about going either for a Sword Saint or a Crusader, but need more thinking :)
Sword Saint are my favorite class to play and I love it for roleplaying, how powerful and diverse it feels. A bit rough early levels, but once you get a bit higher it's incredible. Can also be mixed with 1 level of Monk class (scaled fist) if you are lawful for extra defensive options that will help you early and late game.
Really not worth imho. Level 20 ability is too powerfull to loose(for a class that specializes in crits). Plus you get slower main class progression that cuts your damage progression(and slower ac scale from canny defense early). Plus your selfbuffs will have lower duration. Considering you can tank playfull darkness(with ice body scroll) without monk splash and defensive stance on hard its simply unneeded on anything lower than unfair(and on unfair its simply better to summon swarm him).
I'm so excited to try this today. I bought it with the season pass last night. I bought it first before the game since I was dead tired by mistake but didn't redeem it yet. Should I keep it, how worth it are all these dlc and that rouge hunter mode. It feels frivolous, given that I already have a whole long game that I haven't even played for myself and two classics I also got on the side (blade runner and legacy of kain)
I recommend playing a draconic sorcerer into dragon disciple. Not because it's good, or because it's fun, but because I am very biased. (More seriously, I do like sorcerer/dragon disciples a lot, but switch-hitter Alchemists - high strength, grenadier archetype and infusions, just do everything in the class - have been one of the most fun for me for about as long as it's existed. Also the Battle Oracle. You might notice a theme.)
May I recommend for you my MUSCLE WIZARD build? You start an Orc as a Hagbound Witch, and give him 20 strength at start. Hagbound starts with permanent claws and you can get a bite attack from a feat as an orc, so you start the game with 3 attacks at +5, then you are gonna want a dip in a spontaneous caster class (I went with Steelheart Bloodrager, cuz it gets you free heavy armor feat) so that once you have the stats you can grab 4 levels of dragon disciple. Rest of the levels you just keep going Hagbound. Oh and make sure you take the demon option for your first mythic, that gets you a gore attack. What all this means is you have 5 natural attacks (2 claws, the orc bite, the dragon bite, and the gore...you might be able to go for 6 if your dip was a sorceror and you spent a mythic to get serpentine and took the mythic that gets you the level 20 perk of that? Though at that point you're burning two mythic abilities for a extra attack.) and a MASSIVE strength bonus. Every like, 3 levels of Hagbound gives +2 strength, the four levels of DD gives +4, and eventually you can get spells like Transformation. Plus you can throw on the mythic that gives natural attacks (i.e. all of your attacks) DR ignoring as well as the one that lets you always do your strength bonus in damage. You can easily get to a point of doing AT MINIMUM 50 damage per round. It would probably sync up best with the Demon mythic, but I went Azata with him and HOLY SHIT is it broken when you take the Superhuman Endurance or whatever power. You turn into a ridiculous, regenerating punch wizard, and it is GLORIOUS.
I forgot that it also gets pretty radical Natural Armor buffs, you take a lizard familiar and the icebrand hex thing and that gives you +3, that ring at the starting tavern can boost that further, then you add on the DD natural armor and you can become VERY hard to kill.
What I couldn't understand is - why bother with Brown Fur if you can have a Sylvan Sorcereer and simply give him some transmutation spells? Also it is great to turn your pets into Dragons and buff them.
I believe the difference is that BFT gets a colossal bonus to enhancing Transmutation spells on top of being able to share personals party wide. So you can turn everyone into an exceptionally powerful team member. Which is typically why it gets relegated to a support mercenary.
Transmutation buffs get more powerful when a BFT casts them, and they can cast powerful buffs that are normally only castable on yourself on the entire party
Read my mind, two of my favourite class play throughs were a sword saint and a mutation warrior (not Geralt of Rivia). Something about role playing a master swordsman, I took an elven curved blade for heavy hitting if inefficient dex build. I need to try an archanist, I heard they were very buggy.
My biggest issue with this game is that I want to be able to try basically every class but I don't want to play through the main story every single time. Hell, I haven't even beaten this or Kingmaker yet due to how unbelievably long they are. So this rogue-like DLC might be more enjoyable for me.
Hey dude, your videos have been super valuable for helping me better understand mechanics so I can have a better/higher difficulty second playthrough. I was wondering what you would recommend specifically for a Mutation Fighter Multiclass? Forgive me if you've mentioned this elsewhere (I looked) but I was wondering what small dips you would take OUT OF Mutation for fun builds as opposed to DIPPING INTO Mutation from another class. I am planning a dex TWF Mutation Warrior w/ Lich Mythic Path. Thank you 🙂
question! have you, in all of your probing the game, ever found a build that makes mystic theurge useful? to me it kinda feels like you need to go legend for that one, but even than i m not so sure how effective it would be.
Angel and lich can merge spellbooks and make lvl 9 spells usable from both. Also, trickster can get wizards spellbook for a single feat, so if you go full divine caster and pick use Magic Device 3, you`ll essentially became a theurge with all spells in the game at your disposal. The question is - do you really need that many spells? What are you going to do with them? Isn`t it easier to ocassionally use a scroll if you want a spell from unavailable school? You`ll be perfect buff-bot, sure, but if you want to kill things with magic, you`ll just use that one favourite spell over and over.
Note on Divine Hound being better than Sacred Huntsmaster, I think it depends on the party, Sacred Huntsmaster gets bane and more importantly, Domains. If your party doesn't have a domain user and you're deciding on whether to make Lann a Divine Hound or Sacred Huntsmaster then Sacred Huntsmaster is the way to go, but if you're using Sosiel or have another character with Domains then yeah Divine Hound is better for the reasons you said in the video. edit: Said Divine Hunter, meant Divine Hound.
Hey man, do you think you could make a video comparing possibilities for GISH classes? Especially divine gish, because Arcane gishes already have plenty of options with things like Sword Saint.
I actually like making the main character the support class but I always rely on Sorcerer specialising im conjuration or transmutation because I always need them to be charisma-centric... for dialogue reasons. Also I don't know if it's correct but persuation was the basis for Diplomacy in Kingmaker and that kinda made me rely too heavily on Persuation
do you have a good build guide for brown fur transmuter? always wanted to play one but could never find a good build guide. would love to see your take on this class. also love your videos =)
I always thought the smilodon would be one of the strongest pets cause of its 5 attacks, but its interesting (and weird) that the dog gets the second highest strength stat in the game, guess I rly have to build my order of the paw knight
Out of curiosity, I know armor has been an issue in Pathfinder crpg's but does that carry over into table top as well? Has there been any talk in reevaluating the system or is that left to homebrew or mods?
Huh first playthrough I played sword saint cuz of the title and gameplay style being so badass. I didn't not realize it's dps was off the charts. I thought the game was kinda easy
Would a Sword Saint build be manageable for a beginner? I’m interested in making a gish character, just not sure which class to go with as a beginner. For context, I’ve played Baldur’s Gate and Pillars of Eternity. However, I do find the Pathfinder system a bit overwhelming so far (I started a campaign with a simple cavalier build to get a feel for the game)
One of the mercenaries that I have is a Sensei monk and its pretty insane when combined with a Monster Tactician Inquistor. Mass True Strike makes a lot of the harder fights much easier. Not to mention mass restoration for no material components that I can spam because of all the damn drain in this game.
Curious on your builds for this. I will be starting wotr once the console edition comes out this week. I'm leaning full oracle angel build and a monk might make a good teammate.
@@kvothefan5106 Main Character- Crowd Control Arcanist/Arcane Trickster, Monster Tactician Inquistior, Hunter 3/Cavalier, Sensei Monk, Ember going hard into evocation, Lann as Zen Archer 3/Freebooter Ranger. The concept behind my build was to capitalize on how things scale based on the number of characters. In the tabletop teamwork feats were in theory really strong, but no one ever took them in my experience because you had to convince your friend to take them unless you were an inquisitor and could use them by yourself. The summoner was really strong because they could use summon monster as a spell like ability and the summons could act on the same turn. The monster tactician just gets the spell like ability of the summoner and grants their teamwork feats to their summons which is really strong when it comes to outflank and seize the moment. The more attacks that happen the more chance someone will crit and the more attacks of opportunity come as a result. Throw in the destruction domain 8th level power and you auto confirm crits. There are also a lot of good summoning items in the game, the brazen whip gives all summons an extra attack but slows the wearer, but that can be counteracted with the freedom of movement boots, there is a spear that gives all summons sonic damage, a glaive that summons a demon when you kill someone which for some reason eventually started summoning the big demons with a bunch of arms and scimitars, ring that summons minotaurs, usable items that summon level draining demons, another that summons some really strong angels. In the prebuff phase getting all the summons out then casting haste on the whole party from my arcane caster makes things a little nutty. Summons are also really useful for 2 big things, being meat shields and casting spells. At higher levels the spells the get cast by them are really great and synergize with my arcanist ill talk about later. The Hunter/Cavalier works on the same concept, since while mounted you are always adjacent most teamwork feats work. So 3 levels of hunter grant your teamwork feats to your mount. So 3 levels isn't that big of a dip, but cavaliers get teamwork feats on while leveling so you never need your mount to take them. Pair that with a scimitar and go hard into crit. Also makes the summons get attacks of opportunity as I said before. Lann went freebooter ranger for freebooters bane and freebooters bond to buff all allies attack and damage rolls. Sensei monk for the Bardic songs and Mass True Strike. Which i'm not sure there is a way to get as a spellcaster unless widen spell works but i'm not sure. In addition to the combat stance mytic power (cant remember the name) but their job is just to stand there and buff everyone. Ember is there for fortune and protective luck spam during prebuff for boss fights, other than that uses the lighting gauntlets from blackwater to get all damage to be lightning then use Ascendant Element and nuke with her. Then there is my main character that I built to support the group through crowd control and the trickster mythic stuff. I went with Eldrich font Arcanist that specialized into conjuration early for stuff like selective webs/grease/pits, used the mythic thing that lets you use all your feats that apply to one school to another and went enchantment because they kind of cover each other. Most enemies that immune to mind effecting stuff probably can fall in a pit or get knocked prone and vise versa. Mind Fog is a ridiculous debuff spell that i always heighten to my highest spell slot because it lowers the enemies will saves against mind affecting effects by 10, that and best jokes and hideous laughter can disable an entire encounter to get swept by your damage dealers. Mind fog works amazingly with high level summons like the Bogeyman spamming their mind effecting spells. Hold monster/constricting coils synergizes well as well and if they have a pit next to them they fall in and then have to make 2 checks to do anything. I'm an arcane trickster just because I was already getting sneak attack from trickster so might as well get more since arcanist wouldn't give me a whole lot more until much later. If you use hold monster on an enemy and they fall in a hungry pit they take sneak attack damage each round when you get to level 10 arcane trickster, which is hilarious. Eventually I once again use the mytic ability to make all my illusion spells use my conjuration feats. The combo I have been doing lately impromptu sneak attack, then use Weird on enemies in mind fog, if they make their save and don't instantly die they take half damage plus sneak attack from the phantasmal killer. Trickster mythic stuff is great for getting more bonuses on items from the arcane lore stuff, but level 2 lore world makes all 1s that are rolled into 20s making more crits happen, but also making auto fails into auto hits is super useful in harder fights, especially because I roll a disproportionate amount of 1s for some reason. I know that was long and I'm sure I still missed some thing, but you get the idea.
@@noonesfang131 wow, thanks for so much detail. These look like fun mercenaries. I think this might still work with my oracle build, going nature's mystery to get animal companion to add to the meat shield. Thanks again.
@@kvothefan5106 Oh yeah I definitely went overboard on the theme of more characters is more good lol. That being said I'm going to find it hard to have a playthrough without a summoning character and sensei as its just so strong.
Magus has a lot of good archetypes. Eldritch Scion and Arcane Rider are both pretty good as well. Spell dance and armored battlemage suck balls though.
Pure Sword Saint is pretty good, it doesnt need dips really but you can, as for weapon going for something with a x3 base crit multiplier or an extended threat range will go a long way, no one best option though
I was surprised to see a game after the character creation screen
You can do some really fun things with Elemental Specialist if you combine that with a Sorcerer, namely the Crossblooded. If you pick both Red and Gold dragon, you get a total of +2 damage for every dice on all spells with the Fire descriptor. Then for a Mythic ability you can go with a additional bloodline, and then pick the Brass dragon. Viola! You now get +3 damage on every single dice roll for fire spells. That means that a single Fireball at CL 10 will deal a whole 30 damage on top of the regular. But wait, there's more!
If you go with the Demon path you can pick the Brimorak Aspect, which gives a additional +2 damage on all dice rolls, which means that Fireball we just mentioned now deals extra 50 damage. And for shits and giggles, let's add Bolster Spell into the mix, which adds another two, which gives us in total a whooping +7 damage for every single dice. And with Focused Element from the class all damage is converted into Fire damage, so like you mentioned in the video it can be combined with Ascended Element for some really fun shenanigans. What makes this even better still is that there are many items in the game that boost Fire damage, like Ring of Pyromania or Mallander's Insult.
Shit's bonkers.
I made something similar with black, copper and green dragon bloodlines, and with an oread. They all gives you bonus to acid. There is a bit less item to boost it though...
I know this is an old comment, but you can no longer double dip dragon bloodlines just in case anyone reading this now tries this (it's me, I tried it)
i just started as sylvian sorcerer. i played kingmaker but the amount of option in wotr is insane i actually got overwhelmed with the amount of classes/archetypes lol.
Kingmaker has better mods on Nexus. Compared to moded kingmaker wotr has less options.
Spend entire days in character creation: The Game.
Personally, I like Demonslayer the most. Given how 90 percent of the enemies in the game are demons and only 10 percent are cultists, investing time into this build are worth it. Arusheale is good too with Espionage Expert, but she doesn't get an animal companion unlike Demonslayer.
also playing an Angel Demonslayer is just realy cool.
Give her the Triceratops Statuette, and problem solved. That item can summon you a Triceratops companion, if you doesn't have any - and it's level always the same as it's summoner's. Except it's a pre-built pet, so you cannot control it's level up improvements...
dont be abstruce, 8% are cultists 2% are ghouls.
Played a Divine Hound Hunter Trickster and beat Unfair. Loved every minute of it! Highly recommend. Great lists.
Cavalier of the paw dex build is my favorite, it takes a couple of levels before it’s amazing as you have to do all the dex combat feats, but when paired with mounted combat your animal companion is never hit as your mobility score is insane. Paired with all the tactician feats and if you use a mythic feat to have dex apply to weapon rolls redgardless of your other hand is holding then you can dual weild on top of a mounts attacks.
I'm a console player so I'm looking forward to playing the game soon and Cavalier of the Paw always appealed to me as a first character. The idea of a highly mobile mounted dodge-tank just sounds too much fun
How was Wenduag not a Mutation Warrior instead of a bland fighter. That seems like a huge missed opportunity.
Agreed. Wendaug is fantastic, but i was really surprised the most unique character outside of Arueshalae was classed as a basic fighter
Because that would require her to be more brainy, less brawny. Her personality would get damaged from that decision... Also, you might be able to get good alchemical ingridients in the caves, but the same not true for the required equipment.
I dunno ... the underground where she's at doesn't look like it has much science going on.
They can barely get a full stomach down there. An education and alchemical lab sounds too out of place for me.
She is the way she is because of demon filth, not because of alchemy. There's more than one way to become a freak. I'm struggling to see it as a "missed opportunity" in this particular case.
She was supposed to be a ranger. My Theory is that when they decided to make Arueshale a Ranger instead of Master Spy (she is just a redeemed succubus stat block with Master Spy and some mythic levels on top in the AP), they ended up just making Wenduag a Fighter
@@luisgustamy biggest question is, why isnt she a hunter? They added the Hunter class, made a companion who is well regarded as the strongest hunter of her tribe, and her class is not a hunter?
Elemental Specialists do have a something they give up, and it's actually pretty big -- they get 3 opposition schools instead of 2. If you're 100% focused into blasting and have zero intention to do anything else, it's no big deal. But if you want even a sliver of fexibility, 3 opposition schools is a big problem.
So anyway, I started blasting.
Enchantment, Divination and Necromancy. The 1st 2 are so auto-pick you don't even get this option as a Thassalonian. The 3rd does get great late game spells. But you're not going to miss them for what you get.
Now, this isn't Exploiter Wizard levels of broken. But if you want the best base for your Arcane Trickster, here you go.
I see no need for this class when Ember is already a Fire Bender and so much more.
If you want to just blast - just make a sorcerer. You can stack two Dragon bloodlines with Elemental bloodline through crossblooded + mythic feat, and outdamage wizard all the time, every time
@@Kammereer No you can't. Because AT synergizies much, much better with wizard. And as a Sorcerer who multiclasses into it you're sacrificing even more spell levels to a wizard. And AT will outdamage any other blaster.
I used a SS mercenary playing through as a trickster. It was just utterly insane with all the extra crit feats, especially with the trickster spell that makes all rolls 20s for 3 turns. (But even without it...) It was also amazing each time an enemy triggered an attack of opportunity, got killed, then triggered the great cleave eliminating every enemy in melee range.
-Hunters are great! I typically go divine hunter because I like making my pet celestial. One thing I don't think you mentioned is that Hunters are spontaneous casters so you don't have to worry about whether you used a spell slot for a heal, buff or restoration.
-I get kineticists now. I wanted to love them so much but they seemed bland up until maybe a month ago. I didn't quite get the gather power and infusions until now and wow, are they amazing!
-My other favorite is a Half Orc great axe rowdy. At level 6, I sneak attacked something for 99 damage! For comparison, my other high damage classes do: 30-40 for kineticist, and the same rowdy with a crossbow does 40-50
-I rerolled my cleric to a wildland shaman and it seems cool enough to have and orc riding a boar. It is early and while it is better than a cleric, it doesn't seem like I wouldn't have been better off with another hunter.
-2 dip witch of the veil is great for concealment. I may try that again with a mutation warrior or just go straight mutation warrior.
-Sword Saint is another of those classes I need to revisit since I have never gotten why they are so powerful. Although, if I 2 dip into witch of the veil, that might be interesting.
-I am so glad they finally released the rogue like DLC. It really is the way I've wanted to play the game since launch.
If you want something like the Elemental Wizard but as a spontaneous caster, Sorcerer with any of the Elemental bloodlines would be the way to go as their bloodline arcana grants that energy substitution ability at-will. Plus this can be combined with Overwhelming Mage for the spell penetration benefits.
Is sorcerer a beginner friendly class in WotR? I’m interested in playing a spontaneous caster but I’m unsure which archetype to pick. Some context, I’ve played Baldur’s Gate and Pillars of Eternity, but both games as a Paladin. I wanted to try something different and make a gish character this time around
@@TheElduin Arguably more beginner friendly than the wizard, as you just pick what spells you know on level up and can then cast them as you wish. Since the wizard needs to say "1 casting of mage armor, two magic missiles, and one grease" every morning, you can't just spontaneously spend all your resources on grease if the need comes up. The sorc also gets more spells per day at the cost of 1 level slower spell progression.
@@TheElduin you do need to know a bit of what spells are good and what to avoid as a sorcerer, since unlike a wizard you can only ever get the spells you get to select on level up. But as long as you don't end up picking a spellbook full of poor spells, the rest of the package is probably more beginner friendly and less to manage than wizards once you get blasting.
Though if you want a gish, one of the magus subclasses would basically give you that right out of the gate. Eldritch Scion would also be a spontaneous caster
@@TheElduin most beginner friendly caster in the game by far!
I always prefered Sage Sorcerer, due to INT focused spellcasting, and the fact I did my Kingmaker run with it. Now Sure, you're weak early on. But by the time you get Fireball, you're second to none with damage dealing by spellcasting. - naturally spell penetration is a must in WotR.
Thanks for the recommendations. This will be very helpful in my Midnight Isles runs.
I love Magus of all flavors, but both in this game and Kingmaker I always felt decision paralysis since I can't guarantee the weapon I choose would have good options so I usually moved away from Sword Saint. I was also really determined to make Arcane Rider work but at least on launch mounts were a bit rough.
There is a mod in Kingmaker and Wotr that put every weapon in a type group. Meaning if you take weapon focus on Elven Curved Blade (as excample) it instead let you pick the type group that in this excample would be Heavy Blades. Meaning you are specialised in all weapons for that type. Longsword, Two Handed Weapon, Scimitar, etc.
It's called Weapon Focus Plus. Available on Nexus.
Magus is such a good class, as Aeon notes there was a mod for kingmaker which I used allowing you to focus on things like elven curved blades(best weapon look I think). Something about cutting through the fabric of reality with a sword saint is really cool. ‘Nice AC you got there, shame if my weapon ignored it!’
I played Sword Saint in Kingmaker. It was a lot of fun, but yes, seeing all the cool weapons I couldn´t use hurt.
Kingmaker seemed to like bunching all of the gear for certain classes at different parts of the game. There was a ton of great magus scimitars, but almost all of them were in Pitax. I played a Wizard, and I only found robes and staffs that I could use in Vordekai's tomb, and then it gave me 3 sets of robes and 4 staffs. Hoping WoTR doesn't do this too once it comes out on consoles.
The thing to remember is your weapon choice can be whatever you like. Finnean can cover a bad loot choice. And by Act IV, you'll be able to buy a version sufficient for end game. And enhancement bonus is a secondary concern. Because your pool can provide it.
Brown-Fur Transmuter and then the rest of the party I pick the archetype that gives animal companions. This is extremely fun to play in real time mode.
Mutation Warrior is so great. Great for dips. Great for dedication.
Mutagen Warrior I'm playing right now. I love the class very rewarding when you get those high damage numbers!
Another thing to consider with Brown Fur (and all Arcanists) is that with DLC3, any Arcanist PC or Companion who can get at least 17 (but 20 is better) caster levels can cast 24 hour round/level spells, regardless of Mythic Path. It's practical value is not very high, but people go nuts over making things like that "technically" work.
You get 3 caster levels for the new robes, and another 2 to ANY Arcanist Spell by using the Arcanist Exploit to increase CL. Which is enough on its own at level 20 to 24 hour any spell cast from your Arcanist Spellbook. There's a headband that add +1 CL and you can take Spell Specialization in a specific spell for another +2 CL -- but then you're limited to only that one spell and you need Spell Focus in the corresponding school to take Specialization.
Nice video as always Mordy, I'm always rewatching your videos on the classes and archetypes while playing or just teorycrafting. Keep the awesome work!
Should also add Sensei Monk, and Incense Synthesizer Alchemist to the list as well. Two very powerful additions to any team in providing unique buffs and debuffs.
Brown Fur Transmuter is something I really want to try, even on my main PC. Sure, my character personally won't be anything special, but with a team full of characters with animal companions, it sounds really funny. Plus, you're still an arcanist and also whatever your mythic path is, so youll still be doing stuff other than buffing. I might do that on my Lich run, or another one that synergizes well
When I created Legend for Inevitable Excess, I wanted to do SS+MW. And I found out that Fighter Training (SS levels = - 3lvl fighter for feats) also works for Discoveries of Mutagen Warrior so you can get Mutagens on lvl 7 and 10 of MW. 9SS+MW10, and you get Grand Mutagen, which is nice for Legend path, since you need 9 lvls of MW less for that, that can go towards something else.
When playing legend I prefer two classes with sneak attack progression. 20d8 on +40 BAB is insane.
@@aaronnunavabizniz199 BAB or AB? In case it is BAB. How?
My solution to the BFT issue is to use the respec mod to turn Nenio into that class. I think it fits her just as well as her initial class RP wise and it results in you getting a great BFT without having to have your MC be a supporting character in their own story.
Elemental Engine Kineticist gets massive boosts to attack and damage when their burn is maxed out, and their gather power ability decreases burn costs at max burn as well, meaning you can throw maximized kinetic blasts much earlier.
Elemental engine is a trap. The strongest infusions (eruption, wall, cloud and deadly earth) are not attacks. So these bonus are wasted, and to make things worse, the DC is 10 + 1/2kin level + dex/con bonus and this class loses physical attribute bonus from elemental overflow.
That sounds great. Is it better than Blood and Psychokineticist?
Having played a hunter in a pathfinder campaign it definitely is limited in wrath of the righteous. One of the animal focuses in the ttrpg is mouse which gives evasion and at 12th level improved evasion. Which in the ttrpg is pretty good and if it were implemented in wrath would've made base hunter a bit more appealing. Another thing I'm not sure if it's the same in wrath as I haven't played ranger or druid in it yet but in the tabletop a hunter has access to both ranger and druid spells and if a spell is shared it takes it at the lower level. Rangers tend to get some spells at lower spell levels than druids I believe to compensate how late they have access to spells. The teamwork feats automatically being shared between you and your animal companion as well as acting as bonus feats provides a wide range for customization possibilities.
I know this post is a bit long but I just really like the class. Although I wish they'd add the other 3 elemental races (sylph, Undine, and ifreet) as well as at least the Undine's watersinger bard subclass.
The Sacred Hunter is one I really should have looked at. I play a Sacred Huntsmaster, mostly because I'm playing an Azata with the Friendship super power, and beaming all your teamwork feats to your team is really strong. When I critical something my entire team will just dumpster it - then I focus my entire team into critical buffs, and stuff that increases attacks of opportunity - and they do hilarious amounts of damage very quickly. Still relies a bit on crit RNG, but that isn't terrible when you got lots of attacks near the end game.
I do back her up with a Swordsaint, with a unique Estoc that with feats gets her crit range to like 14 to 20. With Haste your almost guaranteed at least one critical a turn - a crit that also triggers attacks of opportunies from everyone else via team work feats. It's a build I'm very happy with haha.
So I'm pretty much locked into something with lots of teamwork feats.
That being said - I really like Bane as well - But judgement might be better because you can hotswap your bonuses based on need ... I'll need to think about this.
Thanks for the Divine Hound nod. Needed an extra character in my party and built an Elven female riding her wolf. Gave her Finnian as an elven blade and she has a crit range from 15 to 20 and gets some boosts with teamwork feats. They pack a wallop!
I made Lann a Divine Hound Hunter after Level 4. Kept him with a Longbow then I give him the best Wisdom and Dex gear (Wisdom adds AC for Lann + Spell bonuses) and I always make use of the animal and self buffs he gets. I HIGHLY recommend this build. Lann and Zylo (his dog) is INDISPENSABLE they wreck on core difficultly, so I am sure this build can at least do Hard.
A video idea that might be interesting is if you think any class is worth investing all 20 levels in to get some of their final traits.
Thanks for the video, might just refer back to this when I start my EE character
I think Demon Dancer could be mentioned, too. If you take a rage power before going into demon dancer you can apply an additional totem and get 2 addtional bite attacks for your entire party, including your mounts and summons, as soon as level 4. Just don't pick up Ivu. Since a round out of combat takes only a second he will get something like 20d6 damage every second.
This class isn't just increadibly strong, it makes for a pretty unique playstyle, too. Combined with a comunity (and animal) domain and a order of the lion cavalier it is an entirely different playstyle.
Nice summary mate, keen to give some of these a go
Divine Hunter can be insanely fun. I recommend taking domain zealot for swift domain powers, with madness and luck domains, and say one other domain that has a decent buff (such as community or good). If you can't hit the enemies (such as for bosses), you can put your celestial-template infinitely-smiting pet on them, while you cast two domain buffs per round on your pet, for anything up to +18 to hit (madness + good domain), and/or a luck effect. The pet smite is already raising the damage of every attack by +20 by level 20, and that also applies to damage from various proc effects like acid maw and claws of the sacred beast gloves. Because you also get the domain spells as full class spells (which even most clerics don't get, since they can only put their domain spells in their domain slots), you can gain access to some oddly useful things not normally available to a hunter, such as divine power (via war or glory) or true strike (via luck or destruction). If there's still a spell you want but can't take through a domain, you are a caster so can dip loremaster for a level to pick it up. Extremely versatile class, can be a decent damage dealer, good support via spells and the domain powers, and totally competent tank (via its pet). If it wasn't for the fact you only get to caster L6, I'd say you could solo the game with it.
First run through the game, just reached act 3 with elemental specialist.
I'm having realizations that I probably could have had an easier time if I just went with mutagen fighter :D
My favourite is a high Charisma, Int, Dex Character where I lower my wisdom and str completely. 1 level dip in monk scaled fist, 2-3 levels in paladin for charisma saving throws and fear and disease immunity.
Then I go sword saint and duelist for canny defense stacking. This makes your character nearly immune to damage. Get that shield spell and evasion spells and you are invincible. Sadly this works only with Lawful Good but what is Toybox for anyway xD.
If you don't care about damage much you can also take a seeker Oracle dip to get dex AC from Charisma instead. And pump those charisma numbers. xD
They're patching this so they don't stack
I'm personally a Mutation Warrior, and yes, because I wanted to be a Witcher, lol.
Will be playing at last, this week. I'm gonna make two characters. One will be a Emperyal Sorcerer/Ecclesiatheurge/Mystic theurge. The other will be a Demon hunter. Both will be Aasimar.
Great video man! Thanks for sharing
Weirdly enough, I picked Sword Saint as my initial class when playing Pathfinder: Kingmaker for the first time. After trying out just about all of the other class options available in Kingmaker and WotR, it's still one of my favorites (right alongside standard Kineticists)
Blood kineticist still broken?
Havent actually played but as im determined to buy the game from my next paycheck, i've been planning on making arcane enforcer/duelist with possibly dual wielding to make most out of sneak attacks when paired with high BAB
If you are a wizard aficionado, I highly recommend spell master which provides enourmous amount of spontenous casting. This is especially a great choice if you are also considering to become a lich.
I would also recommend Cavalier in general and Fearsome Leader for an evil character playthrough. Being able to deal x2 damage on a Charge Attack with melee + damage from your mount is quite fun. You re also quite tanky and fast by being mounted 👍
3:32: love WOTR for this
Personally i like the wildshaping and the cult leader warpriests. They are both a lot of fun.
If you are looking for more content ideas, I would love to see a couple types of videos. One would be like a state of the game sort of thing. What sort of characters work now and what doesn’t work now that we have had a bunch of patches. I would also be into build guides for any of these. I like your videos of all pathfinder content, and you explain these complex systems so well. In any case, I look forward to whatever you choose to release.
Interesting takes, anyways your recommendation of this game just got me through my first blind core playthrough. For players like me cross blood sorc into triple blood sorc is strong, rangers are strong like storm blooded because free teleport, blood ragers are strong because they have the most explosive turn 1 self buff power depending on blood line, dex gogue fighters that can attack up to 7 times or more then anyone else really, oracle are both full clerics and full fire casters, that's really just scratching the surface.
There is one interesting combo that is accessible to legend in vanilla game, or if you play gestalt class via toy box. It is going into mystical theurg with magus+ war priest. Magus specialty must be melee. Via shared spell books, it is possible to prepare shock touch into warpriest book. It makes spell quickened if it has any other metamagic added, but it will be delivered with full attack, then you can cast magus version and make another full attack. In vanilla it need legend to be viable , too low of a level on base classes on any other MP. Like 4 magus and 4 warpriest with some number of mystical theurge to get shared spell books. Of course it needs to get two mental stats pretty high. But still it’s incredibly cool. Like magic blender making about 13 attacks per round with some spells weaved in.
My fav is sword saint with if I recall correctly faith protector , warpriest spec with smite. Holy hell it transforms enemy into pile of red goo. Probably a bug on how fervour is used with touch spells but still. BTW used without other metamagic, it will target your own character.
Ok definitely doing a Sword Saint build at some point thanks to this video!
Thug is a good class you can combine with a lot of other classes like inquisitors and Aldori Swordlord.
Just put 4 levels into it and you get better intimidation (can cause terror and shaken), 2 sneak attacks, Debilitating injury, 2 Rogue Talents, Finesse Training, Weapon Finesse, Brutal Beating, Evasion, and Uncanny Dodge. Also, you get a lot of skill points.
Any chance of a follow up? Or even "top 5 most unique archtypes with 1 good mythic path"?
Maybe, nothing in the immediate future though
Still one of the best channels for WotR stuff! I do have a question about the divine hound though, is it better as melee or ranged?
I wish every Sword Saint build would mention the key method for making spell combat work - if you wield a weapon with one hand you have to also turn on the “Use One Handed” ability or spell combat is not going to work like you think it will.
Also, never underestimate the hilarious(?) amount of fun that Zippy Magic + Brown Fur Transmuter is. Your target + one other random friendly gets whatever buff you use so it can be a fun bit of roulette to see who gets to be Dragons today.
Divine Hunter (Hunter Archetype) gets my vote. It's the only spontaneous casting class that gets to add Cleric Domain spells to its spellbook.
So if you combine this with Trickster and Religion tier 3 you can add up to 5 additional spells to your spellbook without having to pick up impossible domain ❤ + you get to use the domain abilities like Guarded Heath and Aura of Heroism AND cast the 7-8-9 level spells as spell-like abilities.
Other classes that get my vote:
- Deliverer (Slayer) (a really good class for Seelah to dip into imo)
- Divine Scion (Paladin) (really strong with reach weapons)
- Emphyreal Sorcerer (Sorc) (can channel energy to heal allies)
- Leyline Guardian (Witch) (probably the best class for a Winter Witch)
Divine hound is one of the best builds for Lann too. He dips into his archer build for the wisdom pickup on ranged attacks then goes straight divine hound and you can stack wisdom instead of Dex for him.
Doing my first playthrough and I'm in act 3. I've changed my class 3 times lmao. I'm going to change it again. It's very fun to mess around with builds and see what I le to play
Recently started my angelic path again and I have a merc mutation warrior as my main tank along with a wolf, dog and bismuth the triceratops as my main beaters. my other characters are more for buffing and filling the battlefield with beasties. It's freaking insane.
Ha, just what I was hoping for after yesterday's video.
In one of my campaigns I play as a mutation warrior The DM also allowed for spheres of power and my God mutation warrior is the most OP class that I have ever played. I basically built her to be a crit machine and she just decimates everything
The mutagen fighter dip , really helped my multiclass freebooter/fighter/thug build that focused on intimidation. Saved me from having to take a 1 lvl dip into Alchemist, that I did in Kingmaker.
Another solid video Mort. Do you (or anyone else) have Mythic suggestions for the classes you mentioned? Elemental Specialist seems great for Azata and Mutation Warrior gives me Demon vibes for sure.
BFT makes a good lich, mutation goes well with trickster/demon/angel, sword saint would be fine with just about anything but trickster for max dmg, elemental specialist makes a great lich, and divine hound goes well with Azata or Angel
How about a ranking of the various D&D combat systems you've played?
Thanks that looks interesting for when enchanced edition drops
Any flashy classes/archetypes? I was thinking of going as a lich my first playthrough cuz i love the necromancer power fantasy
Try cruromancer it goes well with lich
@@MortismalGaming Oh I missed this! I think you're the only youtuber that responds to questions semi consistently! Ty for the advice, I was actually thinking of going cruromancer
wasn't aware of Divine Hound. Think I'll try it out.
Mutation warrior is my all time favorite class, so damn powerful.
A type of mage is probably what I'll do a couple of times. For my demon and lich runs. Trying to go with themes. Maybe Paladin for Angel for example.
After finishing Final Fantasy XII TZA, it's time to comeback to a CRPG, but here I'm confronted to the character creation panel and well ... there is too much choices x'). Thanks for your videos again, they are very helpful, I'm thinking about going either for a Sword Saint or a Crusader, but need more thinking :)
Am I the only one that loves playing as a support?
Bless you, Mortym.
Looking forward to the console release. Great videos. Thank you.
are you gonna do ur build videos again? I would love to see more builds!
a couple probably
Sword Saint are my favorite class to play and I love it for roleplaying, how powerful and diverse it feels. A bit rough early levels, but once you get a bit higher it's incredible. Can also be mixed with 1 level of Monk class (scaled fist) if you are lawful for extra defensive options that will help you early and late game.
Really not worth imho. Level 20 ability is too powerfull to loose(for a class that specializes in crits). Plus you get slower main class progression that cuts your damage progression(and slower ac scale from canny defense early). Plus your selfbuffs will have lower duration. Considering you can tank playfull darkness(with ice body scroll) without monk splash and defensive stance on hard its simply unneeded on anything lower than unfair(and on unfair its simply better to summon swarm him).
Did this guy really just mansplain a monk dip hahha.
@@scalpingsnake shut it wench. Season 2 of she hulk is that way.
A bit late, but what are your thoughts of running the Divine Hound with the new Hippogriff instead of a Dog?
I'm so excited to try this today. I bought it with the season pass last night. I bought it first before the game since I was dead tired by mistake but didn't redeem it yet. Should I keep it, how worth it are all these dlc and that rouge hunter mode. It feels frivolous, given that I already have a whole long game that I haven't even played for myself and two classics I also got on the side (blade runner and legacy of kain)
I recommend playing a draconic sorcerer into dragon disciple. Not because it's good, or because it's fun, but because I am very biased.
(More seriously, I do like sorcerer/dragon disciples a lot, but switch-hitter Alchemists - high strength, grenadier archetype and infusions, just do everything in the class - have been one of the most fun for me for about as long as it's existed. Also the Battle Oracle. You might notice a theme.)
May I recommend for you my MUSCLE WIZARD build? You start an Orc as a Hagbound Witch, and give him 20 strength at start. Hagbound starts with permanent claws and you can get a bite attack from a feat as an orc, so you start the game with 3 attacks at +5, then you are gonna want a dip in a spontaneous caster class (I went with Steelheart Bloodrager, cuz it gets you free heavy armor feat) so that once you have the stats you can grab 4 levels of dragon disciple. Rest of the levels you just keep going Hagbound. Oh and make sure you take the demon option for your first mythic, that gets you a gore attack.
What all this means is you have 5 natural attacks (2 claws, the orc bite, the dragon bite, and the gore...you might be able to go for 6 if your dip was a sorceror and you spent a mythic to get serpentine and took the mythic that gets you the level 20 perk of that? Though at that point you're burning two mythic abilities for a extra attack.) and a MASSIVE strength bonus. Every like, 3 levels of Hagbound gives +2 strength, the four levels of DD gives +4, and eventually you can get spells like Transformation.
Plus you can throw on the mythic that gives natural attacks (i.e. all of your attacks) DR ignoring as well as the one that lets you always do your strength bonus in damage. You can easily get to a point of doing AT MINIMUM 50 damage per round.
It would probably sync up best with the Demon mythic, but I went Azata with him and HOLY SHIT is it broken when you take the Superhuman Endurance or whatever power. You turn into a ridiculous, regenerating punch wizard, and it is GLORIOUS.
I forgot that it also gets pretty radical Natural Armor buffs, you take a lizard familiar and the icebrand hex thing and that gives you +3, that ring at the starting tavern can boost that further, then you add on the DD natural armor and you can become VERY hard to kill.
What I couldn't understand is - why bother with Brown Fur if you can have a Sylvan Sorcereer and simply give him some transmutation spells? Also it is great to turn your pets into Dragons and buff them.
I believe the difference is that BFT gets a colossal bonus to enhancing Transmutation spells on top of being able to share personals party wide. So you can turn everyone into an exceptionally powerful team member. Which is typically why it gets relegated to a support mercenary.
Transmutation buffs get more powerful when a BFT casts them, and they can cast powerful buffs that are normally only castable on yourself on the entire party
Because brownfur is better than the thing you suggested. Lol
Read my mind, two of my favourite class play throughs were a sword saint and a mutation warrior (not Geralt of Rivia). Something about role playing a master swordsman, I took an elven curved blade for heavy hitting if inefficient dex build. I need to try an archanist, I heard they were very buggy.
My biggest issue with this game is that I want to be able to try basically every class but I don't want to play through the main story every single time. Hell, I haven't even beaten this or Kingmaker yet due to how unbelievably long they are. So this rogue-like DLC might be more enjoyable for me.
Hey dude, your videos have been super valuable for helping me better understand mechanics so I can have a better/higher difficulty second playthrough. I was wondering what you would recommend specifically for a Mutation Fighter Multiclass? Forgive me if you've mentioned this elsewhere (I looked) but I was wondering what small dips you would take OUT OF Mutation for fun builds as opposed to DIPPING INTO Mutation from another class. I am planning a dex TWF Mutation Warrior w/ Lich Mythic Path. Thank you 🙂
question!
have you, in all of your probing the game, ever found a build that makes mystic theurge useful? to me it kinda feels like you need to go legend for that one, but even than i m not so sure how effective it would be.
Angel and lich can merge spellbooks and make lvl 9 spells usable from both. Also, trickster can get wizards spellbook for a single feat, so if you go full divine caster and pick use Magic Device 3, you`ll essentially became a theurge with all spells in the game at your disposal.
The question is - do you really need that many spells? What are you going to do with them? Isn`t it easier to ocassionally use a scroll if you want a spell from unavailable school? You`ll be perfect buff-bot, sure, but if you want to kill things with magic, you`ll just use that one favourite spell over and over.
@@ragvald8835 imagine you could merge lich and angel... angel of death
@@alex-uw4mm Merging is already too op, since it gives you huge boost to dc. Double merge would be beyond broken.
@@alex-uw4mm sounds awesome
@@ragvald8835 I never stick to one spell no matter how op it is
Elemental Specialist Wizard looks like my type.
Ps I love trophies/achievements, Mort do you recommend a Roadmap for the 100%? numbers of run ecc
With the game still getting more content, hard to say currently
Note on Divine Hound being better than Sacred Huntsmaster,
I think it depends on the party, Sacred Huntsmaster gets bane and more importantly, Domains. If your party doesn't have a domain user and you're deciding on whether to make Lann a Divine Hound or Sacred Huntsmaster then Sacred Huntsmaster is the way to go, but if you're using Sosiel or have another character with Domains then yeah Divine Hound is better for the reasons you said in the video.
edit: Said Divine Hunter, meant Divine Hound.
Hey man, do you think you could make a video comparing possibilities for GISH classes? Especially divine gish, because Arcane gishes already have plenty of options with things like Sword Saint.
I actually like making the main character the support class but I always rely on Sorcerer specialising im conjuration or transmutation because I always need them to be charisma-centric... for dialogue reasons. Also I don't know if it's correct but persuation was the basis for Diplomacy in Kingmaker and that kinda made me rely too heavily on Persuation
do you have a good build guide for brown fur transmuter? always wanted to play one but could never find a good build guide. would love to see your take on this class. also love your videos =)
Good show sir
thanks for the tips
I always thought the smilodon would be one of the strongest pets cause of its 5 attacks, but its interesting (and weird) that the dog gets the second highest strength stat in the game, guess I rly have to build my order of the paw knight
Excited can’t wait for my ps5 copy to come
Wait PS5?? In the psn Store I only see the PS4 version
Out of curiosity, I know armor has been an issue in Pathfinder crpg's but does that carry over into table top as well? Has there been any talk in reevaluating the system or is that left to homebrew or mods?
Its a problem in the ttrpg as well, was addressed in 2e. In game its down to mods
I've heard summons/minions are kind of weak in this game. I wonder if brown-fur buffs makes them a bit more viable.
Huh first playthrough I played sword saint cuz of the title and gameplay style being so badass. I didn't not realize it's dps was off the charts.
I thought the game was kinda easy
Would a Sword Saint build be manageable for a beginner? I’m interested in making
a gish character, just not sure which class to go with as a beginner. For context, I’ve played Baldur’s Gate and Pillars of Eternity. However, I do find the Pathfinder system a bit overwhelming so far (I started a campaign with a simple cavalier build to get a feel for the game)
I would say it's not a beginner friendly class. Paladin or Oracle are better places to learn how to manage spells and combat from. Then try a magus.
Which is the best way top Play Pathfinder wotr with season Pass or without ? Is the season Pass worth the time?
Armour not well balanced? Woah, woah, woah! I need a video on this.
One of the mercenaries that I have is a Sensei monk and its pretty insane when combined with a Monster Tactician Inquistor. Mass True Strike makes a lot of the harder fights much easier. Not to mention mass restoration for no material components that I can spam because of all the damn drain in this game.
Curious on your builds for this. I will be starting wotr once the console edition comes out this week. I'm leaning full oracle angel build and a monk might make a good teammate.
@@kvothefan5106 Main Character- Crowd Control Arcanist/Arcane Trickster, Monster Tactician Inquistior, Hunter 3/Cavalier, Sensei Monk, Ember going hard into evocation, Lann as Zen Archer 3/Freebooter Ranger.
The concept behind my build was to capitalize on how things scale based on the number of characters. In the tabletop teamwork feats were in theory really strong, but no one ever took them in my experience because you had to convince your friend to take them unless you were an inquisitor and could use them by yourself. The summoner was really strong because they could use summon monster as a spell like ability and the summons could act on the same turn. The monster tactician just gets the spell like ability of the summoner and grants their teamwork feats to their summons which is really strong when it comes to outflank and seize the moment. The more attacks that happen the more chance someone will crit and the more attacks of opportunity come as a result. Throw in the destruction domain 8th level power and you auto confirm crits. There are also a lot of good summoning items in the game, the brazen whip gives all summons an extra attack but slows the wearer, but that can be counteracted with the freedom of movement boots, there is a spear that gives all summons sonic damage, a glaive that summons a demon when you kill someone which for some reason eventually started summoning the big demons with a bunch of arms and scimitars, ring that summons minotaurs, usable items that summon level draining demons, another that summons some really strong angels. In the prebuff phase getting all the summons out then casting haste on the whole party from my arcane caster makes things a little nutty. Summons are also really useful for 2 big things, being meat shields and casting spells. At higher levels the spells the get cast by them are really great and synergize with my arcanist ill talk about later.
The Hunter/Cavalier works on the same concept, since while mounted you are always adjacent most teamwork feats work. So 3 levels of hunter grant your teamwork feats to your mount. So 3 levels isn't that big of a dip, but cavaliers get teamwork feats on while leveling so you never need your mount to take them. Pair that with a scimitar and go hard into crit. Also makes the summons get attacks of opportunity as I said before.
Lann went freebooter ranger for freebooters bane and freebooters bond to buff all allies attack and damage rolls.
Sensei monk for the Bardic songs and Mass True Strike. Which i'm not sure there is a way to get as a spellcaster unless widen spell works but i'm not sure. In addition to the combat stance mytic power (cant remember the name) but their job is just to stand there and buff everyone.
Ember is there for fortune and protective luck spam during prebuff for boss fights, other than that uses the lighting gauntlets from blackwater to get all damage to be lightning then use Ascendant Element and nuke with her.
Then there is my main character that I built to support the group through crowd control and the trickster mythic stuff. I went with Eldrich font Arcanist that specialized into conjuration early for stuff like selective webs/grease/pits, used the mythic thing that lets you use all your feats that apply to one school to another and went enchantment because they kind of cover each other. Most enemies that immune to mind effecting stuff probably can fall in a pit or get knocked prone and vise versa. Mind Fog is a ridiculous debuff spell that i always heighten to my highest spell slot because it lowers the enemies will saves against mind affecting effects by 10, that and best jokes and hideous laughter can disable an entire encounter to get swept by your damage dealers. Mind fog works amazingly with high level summons like the Bogeyman spamming their mind effecting spells. Hold monster/constricting coils synergizes well as well and if they have a pit next to them they fall in and then have to make 2 checks to do anything. I'm an arcane trickster just because I was already getting sneak attack from trickster so might as well get more since arcanist wouldn't give me a whole lot more until much later. If you use hold monster on an enemy and they fall in a hungry pit they take sneak attack damage each round when you get to level 10 arcane trickster, which is hilarious. Eventually I once again use the mytic ability to make all my illusion spells use my conjuration feats. The combo I have been doing lately impromptu sneak attack, then use Weird on enemies in mind fog, if they make their save and don't instantly die they take half damage plus sneak attack from the phantasmal killer. Trickster mythic stuff is great for getting more bonuses on items from the arcane lore stuff, but level 2 lore world makes all 1s that are rolled into 20s making more crits happen, but also making auto fails into auto hits is super useful in harder fights, especially because I roll a disproportionate amount of 1s for some reason.
I know that was long and I'm sure I still missed some thing, but you get the idea.
@@noonesfang131 wow, thanks for so much detail. These look like fun mercenaries. I think this might still work with my oracle build, going nature's mystery to get animal companion to add to the meat shield. Thanks again.
@@kvothefan5106 Oh yeah I definitely went overboard on the theme of more characters is more good lol. That being said I'm going to find it hard to have a playthrough without a summoning character and sensei as its just so strong.
This or pillars of Eternity?
More of these videos!
Magus has a lot of good archetypes. Eldritch Scion and Arcane Rider are both pretty good as well.
Spell dance and armored battlemage suck balls though.
WHat would be the best weapon-type for Sword Saint? Also, would it make sense to dip into Aldori Swordmaster for a level or 3?
Pure Sword Saint is pretty good, it doesnt need dips really but you can, as for weapon going for something with a x3 base crit multiplier or an extended threat range will go a long way, no one best option though
Hmm Divine Hound Hunter Aasimar Demon (I like the fallen angel idea).