The Gentrified Mora with Bin Steel? Morakniv Ash Series Finn
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2023
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Mora has some real cajones releasing a knife that performs worse than a Condor for LT Wright pricing
Do people really have issues with condors? I love my condors, they just don't come sharp, you gotta sharpen them yourself. I love their 1095
I saw a Mora Garberg vs Condor Terrasaur test and they were head to head… I have a Kansbol but if I would like to upgrade I will go with the Terrasaur…
@@mokgable Condors are great, but they are basic materials (usually 1075 or 1095) assembled to hit a price point. That’s not a problem. If Condor took their current line and priced it with LT, Bark River, White River, it would be silly.
Why he always add -ish
New-ish
Style-ish
Modern-ish
Does Everone in Austria are so "-ish"
@@jimlahey5623 Australia 🇦🇺.
Morakniv to Knife Community: "Hey, guys! We made a neat little set of full tang bushcrafty knives with recycled mystery steel, and old school wooden handles!"
Knife Community: "Oh, that's nice. What do they run, like 50 bucks?"
Morakniv (smiling sheepishly): "No, haha, mora like 300 dollars."
Knife Community: ...wut? Are you joking?"
Morakniv: "No, we are not joking."
Knife Community: "Oh, ok. Well, we're going to have to call it shit, and make fun of you about it online for a while."
Morakniv: "Fine."
Knife Community: "Well, ok then."
Morakniv: "Well, go ahead then."
Knife Community: "Fine, we will."
Morakniv (Walks away, putting their PM2 in their pocket tip down, eating their water sandwich.)
God tier comment
Tip down carry, I'm going to heave chunks
As a big city boi I have no use for a Scandi, but I'll watch anything Pete posts because he's like the David Attenborough of the knife world, super chill :)
My reaction when I saw the new Ash series and then the price: "You have raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly, sir. Bravo!"
The cleaver is made from recycled Husk blades.
The black actually saucepan bases. 😂
been watching you for years. Going through a little depression. Just throwing on a random video so I'm not in my own head, ever follow someone and not know them but feel like you're best buds? That's me and you. Thanks for the videos, man.
aw hope it passes in due course. i go into a slump from time to time and last time found waking up early and getting the morning sun on my face (literally the dawn sun) for ten minutes, drinking a big cold glass of water and some minor excercise helped get me back on track.
If I’m not mistaken, Mora’s “recycled stainless” is 12C27. I have an email around here somewhere confirming that.
12C is a fantastic budget steel when heat treated properly. But it is not, I repeat is not, made to be put on a $200 knife!!!
Yep same steel they've used for how long and it's always had recycled content they just decided they wanted to emphasize that point. Since they also neglected to tell people this it seems obvious to me that this knife was never aimed at real knife people.
In other words, this series is for casuals, aka suckers.👍
Couldn't they at least use 14C28N this stuff is krazy tough
100%, if they made this in Swedish Elmax instead, ok.. then I could pay it.. but for recycled steel no way
I appreciate your discussion at the end regarding Mora’s reasons for doing this. It’s sort of a prestige product for boosting their image in the world. Makes perfect sense, helps me wrap my head around it because I was really baffled by their decision-making on this series.
I live in a mountain town where we get a good amount of tourists for hiking, and we have a couple of those outdoors shops that are way too expensive for the locals to shop in. Only the best and trendiest outdoor brands, and they charge MSRP for everything. This series of Moras seems tailor-made for those shops, where wealthy people on vacation might buy it and not be bothered by the price-while enjoying patting themselves on the back for being Sustainable.
As for me, if I saw this knife and a Companion HD hanging next to each other and they were the same price, I’d still choose the Companion. 🤷♂️
expressed to the point
Nail on head
yes this is a very good summary of the idea behind these blades, I completely agree with that target market, and dont blame them for it. but hope to certainly inform my internet knife chums of my pragmatic assessment!
Yes this is more marketed towards people who buy $200 hiking poles or something like that.
Agreed. This is a ‘sustainable’ knife for Mora. They’ll sell some…for some people sustainable is a thing and price, frankly, is not. I doubt they need to sell many at all. As was noted in the video this is for Mora itself. A ‘we make this’ knife. I think we are just used to halo knives being premium instead of recycled. Eh, it’s fine. I’m not buying this…I wasn’t buying the $500 CRKT either…so whatever.
They responded to me on Instagram a while ago. It's their basic 12C27, doesn't appear to be any difference in performance (edge retention & toughness) between the new expensive ashwood line & a cheap companion.
Yes this is what they told me too. They said it's the same steal they used all along and it's always contained as portion of recycled steel *but they wanted to highlight the fact now*. Causing all sorts of confusion.
certainly seems like it in practice. great steel on a $50 or less knife for sure
Thanks for the info.
I'll stick to my Companion, then.
@@andriesquast2028 good plan!
@CedricAda companions are under $ 20 in America. Can't beat it in value.
More expensive than a garberg for less knife no spank you. Side Note: No tip down clip on a fixed blade nothing to remind you of wet bread looks like you’ve recovered nicely
11:12 That is exactly my take on Magnacut. Thanks for pointing this out!
For the same price I bought a spyderco Enuff 2 in K390 on sale. I think you hit the nail on the head with the reason why this knife was made.
I really like mine but it rattles in the sheath. It’ll probably cost me an arm and a leg, take 10 years to send it back to Spyderco just for them to say it “doesn’t rattle enough for us to replace”.
@@Dan12345 the sheath is garbage. It dulls my knife every I draw it, I am making a new leather one. I don’t understand Bolatron sheaths, it dulls knifes just like secure X
@@nandayane I’m going to see what they quote me on return postage to see if it’s even worth returning. Luckily I have a leather sheath I made that doesn’t fit its the original knife well but fits the Enuff 2 quite well. It’s a shame as I really like the knife itself.
@@Dan12345 I think the industry should move on from that style of sheath and just use kydex.
@@nandayane definitely agree. It’s the same with my Ka-Bar Mk1. I think sheaths should be Leather, Kydex or Canvas. A sheath that dulls the blade is a failed design.
I love Mora, they make some of the best budget blades around. That’s precisely why I was completely surprised when I saw the price tag on these. Total blunder on their part imo, those just aren’t $300.00 knives to me.
120-150 range and they'd sell like hotcakes.
@@charlessalmond7076still way too much 40 to 70 at best. No incentive here to buy these over moras regular offerings.
Apparently Mora has a new CEO (started in 2020 I believe).
This line might be his “bright” idea.
Great video. While Im more a culinary knife nerd therefore not up to date on all knifey things, I did think Mora was more or less known for their "value for money" knifes being that they weren't the 'best' but for their affordable price were a great option for those with a budget looking for the most they could get for their money. Its seems this knife is a polar opposite of the Mora brand message.
They are, but for some years now they put out more expensive ones once in a while. This ones break the record no doubt.
Since you mentioned cutlery, I've always wanted a little flat grind mora for Companion pricing that could be used as a paring knife if you wanted.... so I was interested in the more cleaver shaped version of this knife.. I think they do sell a Mora chef knife which would be cool if it was 12c27
@@J.sh_CDNGanzo G806-GB
@@J.sh_CDNcheck it out it's a Benchmade clone. What you're looking for basically at $16
I always appreciate your candor. I’m glad I watched this one. I was considering this knife for just the aesthetics part of it. And you have talked me out of it. Thank you very much for saving me a nice chunk of money.
Your other videos, though… Have cost me a hell of a lot of money. But I do not regret any one of those purchases based on your analysis of edge holding ability. Thank you.
Id love to see some sales numbers on this series. They can't be selling well at all.
I'd pay garberg prices for them. Not a penny more.
Hence I haven't bought one.
better get one cause they will be gone from the lineup soon and then ppl will want them 😂
I'm sure their numbers are fine. They know they can get away with such prices with all the fools out there willing to part with all their money and off the "bushcraft" grifter arena.
Many guys see those higher prices and it makes them want it even more.
I've learned over the years most knives over $150 USD are not worth the price and you're just paying for the hype and name.
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 i love my custom puukko with magnacut as much as my bps knives but value in tools differs, when you spend over 350-400€ for a blade you pretty much have gone over the threshold and you are going to pay for little details which are just preferences in my opinion..the range differs as well from person to person but this is the logic in mankind, i understand people who say that a 100€ knife is the best for them and it does everything you are going to need from a tool
All the sales went to influencers.
I must say that your music choices are a great aspect of your videos. Thanks again Pete
That's a great 50€ knife !
For the price, you can get some alternatives in CPM-3V or Magnacut which are bulletproof !
@@Butch_Deezlsteak Less HRC so (way) less edge stability, less edge retention, less corrosion resistance, overall a worse blade imo !
And about CPM-3V it was made originally for huge metal shredders, hardness counts
@@Butch_Deezlsteak Yes Magnacut is not the toughest steel, it's not the goal of the steel. But it still is very tough even at 63 HRC, enough for most uses and brings other noticeable upsides to the table.
What is your source for 12C27 having better toughness than CPM-3V at 61 HRC ? And what even is the hardness of this recycled Mora knife ? What steel even is it ?
According to knifesteelnerds AEB-L and CPM-3V behave similarly around 59-60 HRC...
Can you imagine people use S35VN ESEE knives without breaking them ?
They could make metal shredder blades from AEB-L or even better, in Mora's recycled steel ! But if I'd have to guess why they don't, it would be because of bad edge retention... I've even seen those made from D2...
I do agree Sandvik steels are great !
It’s a hipster Mora, should come with moustache wax as a gift with purchase
Was literally just perusing your back catalog when I got the notification for this vid. Stoked haha
Love you, Sir! Even on your bad hair days. Thank you for another great video!
Looking forward to picking one of these up second hand for ~40 AUD 😁👍
Mora and being known for such great, affordable and epic knives going and doing this with recycled steel and the price is very damning for Mora.
Great vid! There is so much confusion surrounding that knife set. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Mora has a carved out a nice niche for itself as one of the premier budget knife companies and they should stick to that business model IMO.
There’s an American old-timey outdoor gear company called C. C. Filson. They’ve made overbuilt wool and waxed cotton duck clothing since the 1800s gold rush in America. It was authentically tough gear.
In the last few years, they changed their catalog to show tough looking loggers and fishermen wearing their gear, rather than highlighting the construction, and increased the price quite a bit.
They’re now marketing an image and a lifestyle, rather than a product. I think Mora may be dipping their toe into something like that.
Tends to chase me away from a product.
I feel the same with Gransfors Bruks recycled metal they use for the axe heads. I finally treated myself to one roughly a year ago to only be extremely and utterly disappointed. The first few times I "LIGHTLY" used it essentially just playing around with it to get a feel for it - it sustained micro chips in a roughly 1 1/2 inch section. I tried to stay positive and assumed maybe it had some softer left over bits on the polished edge... Fixed it and used it one more time and it failed even worse with more severe edge damage; I used it harder this time being I actually tried to chop up some wood which it is made to do. I returned it... The axe that failed me personally is the Wildlife Hatchet; I opted for it for a light weight chopping option. In fact thinking about it... I'm still livid about it.
This knife is like a Condor Trivittata that holds up its pinky whilst drinking tea
As far as I've read most knifesteels are made by recycling steel in electric arc furnaces. I think producing steel that way acutally increases the quality. So they are basicly just rebranding something that most companies are doing. Doesen't sound as good though. Maybe thats why most companies don't lable their steel like that.
I love how reviewing the Finn there was a sneak peek at your Earl of Lemongrab tattoo. Very fitting XD
I fell in love with the companion series and have a few I pair up with my larger blades and have never had a problem with them and the price is superb for such practical tools .Having said that I nearly fell off my chair when you mentioned the price of this knife ,there is no way I would pay that price for that knife that is not ever going to be worth that kind of money . Either of the two alternatives you mentioned would be a much better buy for a much more practical blade and I really can't see anyone disagreeing with the assessment you made .A great vid by you as always and a MASSIVE mistake price wise on the part of Mora ,lets hope they take notice .
"What are you doing Basil?"....."I'm wrecking your furniture, that's what I'm doing".
Thanks Bricky
Well done review mate. I reckon you are bang on with your assessment of what and who that knife is for. It's a show knife, for those "dudes" that have money, want a pretty knife that can do an admirable job and, will possibly get a bit of recognition out of their friends when they whip it out. No worries.
For those of us who really use kinves...well, Mora make the 2000/Kansbol/Forest and the Bushcraft Black or Orange, Companion and Robust (Pro-series in general) for our every need. No worries.
Benchmade bought Mora and this is the first knife they've put out. Their next knife will be a tanto version in CPM D2 that will retail for $1,251.99.....
Clearly they are in their “Lifestyle Brand” stage. Like when Playboy expands from porn to perfume, or Dunhill stops producing pipes and tobacco and now sells overpriced clothing.
Thanks for taking one for the team. I would never buy any Mora over 200 bucks but that's just me.
That looks like a really nice $80-100 knife.
bps knives are much better, dangler, thicker leather sheath, sharp spine, comes with a ferro rod and carbon steel - 30-40€
i feel like you were being very very kind in your analysis of Mora's target market on this one.......i do think you nailed it all the way around though. Thanks!
Seeing your Saitama and Lemongrab tattoo just made me respect you a whole lot more. Legend.
Dang. Even the first impressions were really carefully thought out.
A good expensive mora is the bushcraft black , but cheaper than the ashwood serie .
Think Mora wants a piece of Gransfors Bruk’s action...
Cheers for this, was gonna grab one, purely off the aesthetics and my love for my other Mora bits, but this will just get me laughed at by the dudes that know what they’re doing. Cheers for the steer 😂
I'm all down for recycling, like the more the better, but holy cats thats wildly expensive.
when a budget company releases a "high-end" model they rarely do not suck, or at least are completely over the top, price wise.
I have a condor trivittata puuko in 1095. 80 bucks.
Similar sized blade as this mora but longer micarta handle. One of my most comfortable knives for carving and woodcraft. Also came shaving sharp.
I don’t tend to give a knife a second glance if it’s steel is an unknown quantity, even if it is 12c27 it’s not worth the price. I have nothing against inexpensive steels as long as I know what I’m buying. As far as price I have very cheap knives and very expensive ones, I don’t see any value to this particular knife. Thanks, as always a fairly well rounded review.
The 12c27n steel has a higher toughness than cpm-3v and is stainless. For a scandinavian grind which really requests this high toughness its a perfect steel. A good example is a Joker Ember for about 100 dollars.
Honestly i would love to buy this knife...for like half the price at best
Half? A third
a third? nah man, 70-80 at max
I'm only 19 minutes in and I'm trying to figure out who at Mora had the genius idea to produce this knife and sell it at this price. I mean, yay Mora for recycling their steel, but wow, the price is just a fantasy land thought. I'll stick with my Companion and my Mora Original in laminated steel. Definitely not worth what Mora asks for it.
I typically listen to your videos as I work and the sudden flowey boss fight music interrupting the calm music was somewhat unsettling 😂
You need to give the TRC classic freedom a shot! I got one about a month ago and it’s amazing. It could be your new favorite!
It's made of m390 as well as the this is freedom?
Probably 20 degrees outside and he’s building a fire indoors to fight off the chill 😂. Australian winters look to be the same temps as our summers.
I have the basic Mora in carbon steel, the best knife at all. Had those new Moras in my hands some weeks ago, they are nice, feeling good but the prices are awesome. Will stay at my basic carbon one. And ... I have collection of more than 100 knives, have some knives that were not cheap :-) but after all the years I like those cheap ones more and more.
Really appreciate the well balanced and thoughtful opinion at the end, kind of left me wanting one but not wanting one.
I always thought this was a bad move by Mora.
In Serbia to import Fin is 160 EUR ($176.5) , Wit is 207.6 EUR($229 ), and Lok 239.5 EUR ($264), a bit expensive for blade thickness of 2/2.5/3.2 mm and 12c27 is a low end steel. I like that steel even fore Helle i think it is pricy and Helle is chipper then these Moras. For less or equal money you have: Lionsteel B41 / B35 (Sleipner steel), Lionsteel M4 (m390), Lionsteel T5 (Niolox), Rokka Korpisoturi (N690 and 80CRV2), Benchmade Leuku(CPM 3V), Benchmade Puukko (CPM 3V), Esse 4/5/6 (1095), Becker Companion (1095), Fallkniven F1/F1x/H1/S1 (Wg10w and COS), Casstrom Lars Falt (Sleipner ), Casstrom No10 (14C28N), Brisa Traper 115/95 (Elmax , N690, O1), Demko Free Reign (Aus 10), Tops Fieldcraft (1095) ...
Survival supplies Australia are fantastic super friendly and great service be buying off them for years
I feel this way when looking at Helle knives. Like they are the Scandinavian equivalent of Kabar or Case knives, as far as overpriced tradition.
I think the Helle's are much better in materials and finish, maybe even worth what they cost.
Helle are hand made, hand finished laminated steel with gorgeous handles in a variety of natural materials. You must also remember that they are produced in a country where workers are paid a genuine living wage because in work poverty and inequality is quite rightly seen as a social disease to be eradicated. If you don't want to pay the extra for that buy a moulded plastic Mora.
Bricky is indeed wise!
Way too expensive for a Mora. Over $200.00? I don’t think so and I love Moras. I have 5 of them. I don’t know what they were thinking. 🔪🎸
2:40
I can relate x10 👀🫣
The design aesthetic appeals to me. Simple, utilitarian, no ugly plastic, no tacticool frills. And no over-hyped, overly expensive "super" steel. It's too bad the knife costs so much.
if it were half the price with a fuller sheath it would be great
welp, it sure cut tf out of that muffin...props on the OPM tattoo as well
12c27 should be really similiar to AEB-L.
the carbides are very small, so the toughness is 1084 and ,80crv2 area.
the edge retention is better than 1084, 1095 and 80crv2.
its stainless.
it was designed historically like AEB-L to be used in razor blades for gillete and other companies.
the high toughness is beneficial for edge stability
source: knife steel nerds 'all about AEB-L'
its suppoused to be cheap
You basically just walked into an electricians convention and licked a 9v battery, then took a bow.
@@CNYKnifeNut on the one hand i dont want to ask to not ruin the joke on the other hand i try to understand and it doesnt work
Hmmm, I think more cat interludes in future videos would be good.
I thought we were brothers, then I saw the Lemongrab ink. Our mother got around.
in ireland we make our hurleys from ash. it's a sporting bat that might look like an oddly-hooked oar to the uninitiated. anyways they're almost 3 feet long, carved by hand from one specific section of the ash tree, the shape is complex and subtle and the moisture content is carefully controlled. my point? an excellent one from a traditional maker costs the equivalent of 63.77 aussie dollars. so wherever the f*ck mora's getting their price from, it ain't in the handle neither.
That knife, is perhaps our low tech future, when people will sit at the fire, and cut freshly baked possum with a peace of scrap metal from a junkyard .
Pete, I hope you do not weigh too long with review of Victorinox Venture !
Pretty sure Gideon Tactical mentioned the steel being 12C27. Seems to perform the same.
Well said 👏
I guess it's meant to evoke the puukka, and it's an attractive knife. The price is definitely off-putting.
All Sandvik steel, or Aleima as it is now rebranded, is up to 80% recycled.
In my world meat is food and scandi's work great! Sure, it cuts veggies not perfectly but in a soup or stew it is unnoticeable.
Maybe I just missed it somewhere, but what was the magnacut scandi you kind of compared this to? @CedricAda
I am on the Mora email list because I am a fan, in particular from the price/performance point of view. I have the 'Light my Fire' model, a Kansbol and a Garberg. The price of the Garberg made me hesitate, but I got one from Massdrop with the excellent leather sheath for a good price. I wanted to use it to replace my CS SRK and Buck Selkirk with a kind of compromise. I have been happy with it.
But I was afflicted with sticker shock and disappointment with this new line from Mora. I assume that they, like others, are now catering to a less discerning but too affluent clientele. I don't care as long as the old Mora models, and Buck's for that matter continue to be available at reasonable prices. But who knows? Buyer be aware and educated.
So I need to know what you do with the sisal having sliced so much of it. As for the knife, style over substance.
Hope Mora will see this.
The bushcraft hipster instagram knife
I am reeling hearing that price! Holy hell.
Wow a clasic knife with modern prices. For the environment or something?
sounds like a cellphone alarm is ringing in the background
With that pricing it's not going to harm the environment. Not going to be producing a lot of them. 😅
Pete exactly what kimd of cats are those I freaking looove their smushed in little faces! 😝
theres an exotic shorthair (lemon, the yellow and brown) and a british shorthair (basil, the blue one)
@@CedricAda love their flat smashed in faces and I'm not usually one who likes cats lol
haha, very diplomatic ;-)
i hear you...
Great design etc definitely the kinds of knife I like but like everyone else has been saying the price is ridiculous not sure why Mora thought overpricing this knife by at least $150 was a good idea.
Hello Pete, great video as allways. You did this one with respect for the brand and their other products, thanks. We can all write what we think, but this set was not mend for the knife community. They want to start selling to a new group of people who have money and are triggered by this branding. Hope they will earn some extra money with this, but not from me.
Your comments about the tang protruding from the handle material is pretty standard on production bolt on knife scales. The knife is finished and then finished handles are bolted on to produce the final product. A custom maker would finish sand the entire knife to blend the handles and scales and then remove the scales to do final finishing on both the scales and the tank- producing that smooth transition that you seem to prefer. Mora stepped well outside their niche on this one- they are charging custom prices for a low end production knife. Best of luck to them, but as you said most of Mora's customer base will give this one a hard pass.
Ahhh Bricky’s voice changed!!
I feel like Mora saw the popularity of the BPS knives... then decided to go against the reason why BPS knives are popular, the low price. Granted the BPS are just 1066 (or 5Cr14MoV for the odd stainless model), so... yeah, not great steels, but it's for people that want a bushcrafty, full tang, wood handle (bolted on just like this Mora) and leather sheath knife for cheapish ($30ish f USD?). I don't have any BPS myself, but maybe you should have a look at them Pete. I'd still take a Mora or cheap Cold Steel though. I agree with you take away at the end (as well as Brickys haha), I think Mora has delibrately priced it so that non knife people think it's higher quality and more "ethical", just because it's expensive.
Knife collection is not a need. It is a passion.
I was very excited about this line from mora. However, there's no way I can justify the price for a thin recycled steel. There are too many better options for the price
Came for the Mora, stayed for FF9
Wouldn’t the steel blanks leftover be sent back for melting down and recycling anyway?
Bricky just convinced me to buy another knife 🤣
Scandi grind is good only for mass-producer. Flat grind is much more universal and practical.
The recycled steel in that better be way better than what they use in the companion HD.
Because when I got a companion HD with the new recycled stainless steel, I was quite confused at first.
I'm still not sure if I got a knockoff, even though it came in original packaging.
The grind is looking sharper, the microbevel is smaller but it doesn't cut very clean.
The tip area doesn't even have a apex, I can see a reflection there.
And the steel looks dull, refuses to be polished properly and has what looks like microscopic bubbles.
At least the new production carbon steel version of the companion hd is still ok.
Oh at last …
Thank you and would you please make a review on Victorinox Venture before I get one?
i will try! cant find one with reasonable shipping cost and speed yet
Gotta love SSA. Half my knives are bought from there.