Moral to the story : 1. Don’t buy your under age child a gun. 2. If your child needs mental health attention of any kind get them the help they need. 3. If you’re not willing to put in the work as a parent don’t have children . This is such a tragic case, so many people failed this young boy, most importantly his own parents .
Wow so dramatic and self righteous. It is never stated children weren’t a blessing or that life had type os. Please. Bastard or barren? Wow you’re a bit weird. @@hypnaudiostream3574
You are exactly right. Also, once the child comes home from treatment not only do you need to remove any kind of firearms from the home you have to lock up alcohol, kitchen utensils, medicine, etc. Desperate times bring desperate measures.
Exactly as a former ER nurse I saw many good and responsive parents who brought their children to ED for mental health crisis. Its so tragic how avoidable this all was.
Why on earth did they buy him a gun when they suspected he was suicidal?! It’s almost like they wanted him to do himself in. WHY do parents give weapons to their children?! WTF is wrong with people.
@@QRts14you obviously been just listening a people like in this clip maybe you could do just a little research but I'll save you some time 1 he did not have the gun in his possession it was in the parents bedroom hid away as well as the bullets hid in a different location 2 you obviously don't know gun laws in Michigan there is not a safe gun law nothing says it has to be locked up is it a good idea absolutely however good ideas are not law
I mean I grew up in a hick ass town most high school kids had a bow or gun in their trunk at school to.hunt as soon as they got out.. We never had a shooting at school... But we could fight without being demonized and getting expelled. Fight get sent home a couple days come back like nothing happened. And the bullies got hit in the mouth before the did enough damage to make ppl snap like this shit
@@QRts14 so the problem with the abuser scenario is most domestic violence charges rise to the level of felony people with felony on their record are not allowed to possess guns at all so in the instance that someone is killed by gun the abuser has broke the law that's in place now. Another problem is victims of abuser need to speak up to bring that abuser to justice. Mental illness so who makes that call? There are red flag laws in place in some states however imo are unconstitutional never the less their there. In this case where has it been well documented for mental illness even the psychologist at his allen hearing said he has no mental defect
they ignored him.. they gave him a gun and access to it.. did they know he was torturing birds? he was a teenager, most teenagers want to be ignored by their parents. she's guilty of a lot of things, but involuntary manslaughter, no.
@@DiamondsTakingShapeI agree! His text messages were disturbing. Talking about demons and things flying around his room. He’s literally begging for them to come home but they didn’t. They even knew he was drinking too. If you’re child was having seizures you would take him to the emergency room. If he broke his leg you would take him to the emergency room. I don’t understand why they treated his mental health differently. The text messages they read out on Thursday/Friday were awful.
@@adrialee8149 They left him alone too often especially when he was afraid! Locked him out the house for having hallucinations??? How did that help him??? I call it torture!!!!
It is clearly the parents fault. He is a minor. He’s a child. He doesn’t even know what’s going on with himself. It is clearly the parents fault should have had him assessed by a psychiatrist or a doctor at least had him sedated. You do not lock your child outside that is child neglect, and abuse, right there.
Low key, even though he commited the act i feel like the parents should have a harsher sentence than him. At the very least I hope at some point they will consider putting him in a ward over jail
I has a difficult child and I confronted the problem and it wore deeply on me and others said to ignore it no way it was my responcaiblity it was a night I will never forget checking her as a minor into a mental hospital..
Thank you for doing the right thing as a parent and for your child. Your child needed help and you made sure that she got it even though it must have been gut wrenching to check her into that mental hospital. God bless you and your daughter.
It might make you feel bad, but that choice is truly what makes or breaks you being a good parent, choosing what’s best for them despite what’s easy for you is what responsible parents do, and I’m betting she’s gonna grow up and thank you for helping her even if she’s angry or upset about it now, it’s really a long term benefit over short term struggle but lazy parents won’t prioritize the child so they pick the easy route like the Crumbleys.
I have worked with high risk kids with mental problems for the last 15 years- if he was hallucinating all they had to do was call crisis or take him to ER- then he wouldn’t have been in school the next day and the kid might have gotten the help he needed- now he will spend life in prison and families losing their children have been destroyed
@@chastityrenee4682 Good question the ER never seems equipped for mental health issues. The only way he would've gotten the correct help is if the parents took him to actual therapy or a in residence facility.
*FALSE* The ER does NOT assist in any mental health issues and certainly not hormonal teens. You are spreading MISINFORMATION and you are negligible in the next future crises... aka, u r just as guilty if not more as the school counselor who FAILED the boy, his parents, the victims, and the families for LYING
*FALSE* The ER does NOT assist in any mental health issues and certainly not hormonal teens. You are spreading MISINFORMATION and you are negligible in the next future crises... aka, u r just as guilty if not more as the school counselor who FAILED the boy, his parents, the victims, and the families for LYING
I don't understand why she didn't take him home. Her boss offered the time off she didn't want it? Idk..She seemed more concerned about herself and her animals.
She had money for horses, therapy for horses, supplements, vets etc but she didn't spend a penny on her son's medical? No shrink, no doctor, no time for him? SMH. She wouldn't even reply to his messages but would reply to anything about the horses. Good luck to that woman. It's deplorable!
This can be said with many of people. I know plenty of people who put food, cars, etc before their mental health. It isn't taken seriously in this country. I work with a coworker who complains she can't afford therapy but is spending $600 on her eyebrows every few months. Many people put things way before their mental wellbeing
@@Lovequalpeace True, but most people don't have the types of mental health issues her son has. He was hearing voices and seeing demons. She should have addressed that along with his drinking problem.
i hope she's found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter - & more parents take notes on what is possible if you don't pay attention to your kids. i don't think this meets the definition of manslaughter.
I only think he seemed more concerned is because he knows HE is the one who She made sure made the Actual purchase. That has been her ‘defense’ so far. Sure I knew but I Didn’t do it.
@@desi4227 That is a very good point. She could very well have been behind the purchase but wanted James to be the one responsible for it. She's a real piece of work.
I think we’ve seen more emotion from the father than the mother so far correct? Such a sad situation. (😳 Edit, change that “correct” to “haven’t we?”?)
Ethan should not have got a life sentence in a prison. He was not in his right mind and should have been sent to a secure mental health facility to serve his sentence. My heart breaks for him to have had such shitty PARENTS. May his victims RIP.
These parents are not the son and further, this lengthy process is the punishment ...! The system already took everything these parents had. Either way, the system utterly destroyed these parents’ based on another persons actions ... This is not justice! The prosecutor’s ominous plot is darker than a moonless night...!
@@BILLYRFCNO1 No, I'm not off my head. I have an adopted son who suffers from psychosis and before he was diagnosed and medicated he was nowhere near sane when he had a psychotic episode. Be grateful that your brain functions as it should.
Oo please would you think the same if your child was one of his victims? He deserves prison but he also deserves mental help. At his age if his parents did not listen he could have gone to a teacher, guidance counselor, police station a priest or clergy etc he knew what he planned and took no recourse to stop himself in any way
@@nicole05188 I should have qualified that Ethan needs to be admitted to a mental health facility for the same amount of time if necessary. I certainly don't believe he should walk free. I have had major depression for almost 50 years and my adopted son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 22, so I am more empathetic to people with mental health struggles. But this space is too limited to allow for proper discussion so I'll leave it at that.
I found it interesting that the Dean of the school said that guns in their area are so common that they have to remind their students not to wear their hunting gear to school and that they have students that take pictures in their homecoming attire posing with guns. He was basically saying a picture of a gun is maybe not as alarming as one might think because of how common they are in that area. I never even considered this theory, I live in CA and perhaps that drawing would be more alarming here than in other states. However, the writings on the math sheet, along with the drawing, says much more than if it was just a drawing of a gun, imo.
Ethan:Can You Take Care Of Dexter For Me? Jennifer: Why! Why! Ethan then repeated:I love you I love you. It was not the Father James.Look at the video in its entirety again
They called him an “oopsie baby”!! That’s not love! I don’t think he deserves life in prison!!! Also, I’m Pissed at how bad they’re treating him in prison! Yeah, I said it!!! I’m an RN and I know that restraints is not legal. How can they do this to him in prison. He is a child!
Exactly, the dad seems more concerned, but again, the school, when they saw the drawing of the gun, the words, lots of blood, they should have ASAP, check his backpack, his locker
One of the school employees explained during testimony that the law requires them to have probably cause to search a student backpack. If the parents had mentioned that he had access to guns at home that would have given the school an "in" to search that backpack. Because the parents withheld crucial information from the school the school's hands were tied as far as what they could do. The drawing showed only one person shot and the words "Help me" which made them think he had suicidal ideation, not that he was a danger to anyone else. If the drawing showed multiple people "down", that would have given the school more cause to think he could be a danger to others. This is a community where, during hunting season, school starts late on Wednesdays and high schoolers go hunting in the morning before school. So, a certain amount of interest in guns is baked into their psyche and not considered to be alarming. It was testified that some of them get dressed up in their prom clothes and just have to have a photo taken of them holding their guns dressed in prom clothing. Guns are normal for much of this country, and Michigan is a huge gun toting place. Doesn't mean they are all dangerous. In fact, it can make it more difficult to figure out if someone actually is dangerous. Schools are loathe to jump the gun, so to speak, because most are not dangerous to themselves or others. But the parents knew in this case that their son had serious mental health issues. And they bought him a gun instead of taking him to a mental health counselor.
@@bees5461 wow that's messed up, I'm definitely never going there .... but the thinking of the school was still weird, every suicidal person is a potential mass shooter. It is known for a long time.
The video of Ethan melting down with the spit guard over his head, is so effing heartbreaking...he keeps screaming over and over "..you coulda stopped this/why didn't you stop me?" to God and his mother. I just wanna give him a hug... i wish he had another adult he trusted to talk to... locking him out the night before bc he was hallucinating is evil... they shoulda stayed up with him thru the night... i hope this judge gives her good ol lashing when shes inevitably found guilty
yes! as I understood, he asked several times for help because of the hallucination and wanted stationary treatment, but the parents didn't want to. that's crazy, never heard of that, usually people with psychosis don't want treatment.
@@stephanied6451 great example...the Murdaugh judge. A lashing isn't just tone... another example...the Darrell Brooks judge... this judge conducts herself like shes in REM stage sleep the whole proceeding long
She looked like a different person when the trial started, I honestly couldn’t believe it. The weight gain was startling but her hair is now gray and not styled at all. Each day in the courtroom she looks like she just got out of bed. Dramatic change which actually might work in her favor.. to garner sympathy.
Oh definitely seems to be the case. The sedentary life in jail has taken a toll on her health along with added stress under such grim circumstances not to mention other factors made her aged like 10 plus years in a two year span. Sadly her better days are no more.
The counsellor told the parents that the school would check that they had taken him to the psychologist and they gave them a time frame for that to occur. That would have also been pressure for the parents to act. If things hadn’t gone so catastrophically wrong before that could have been arranged, or if they had taken him that day as requested by the school, things might have been different. So it appears the prosecution are successfully making their case right now with the defence unable to plug the glaring holes.
first me, they didn't take that test serious enough. giving them time frame for an appointment? from the test it is more than clear he's a danger to himself or others, there was immediately action needed.
Her friends from high school have been commenting a lot on these websites and they are saying she “Jennifer” was always conceited and it was all about her all of the time in school. Granted people change but I don’t think she did.
I'd be very careful about what I believed. Any random whack job can comment on websites claiming to have known the defendant. Shame on them whether it's true or not and, frankly, shame on you for passing unvetted material on. News sites would PAY to interview people with negative insights like this. Why aren't these "friends" showing their faces?
@@Jade_902 what I mean totally serious like these people are nitpicking every little thing these parents are not on trial or being conceited being a messy person any of that so I don’t understand why everybody’s nitpicking it because that’s not what this case is about
The lead defense attorney’s conduct is beyond unprofessional. I hope this lady won’t be able to appeal based on ineffectiveness of counsel if this ends the way it seems it will. With all the publicity and this being one of the first case where parents of the perpetrator are prosecuted, you would think some attention seeking high priced attorney would take this on pro bono.
Could the parents afford mental healthcare? Im curious? Did they try to take him in amd get rejected by the ER? I have to ask? It happens more than you know.
no the kid wanted to go to the ER and they didn't go, the parent's didn't see necessity. they definitely didn't want help for him. but yes, health care costs sure don't help, probably a factor. but when your evil, it can cost nothing and they won't do it. did you read of that boy? he lived for two years alone in france, his mother went to her boyfriend, a few streets away, never visited him. he went still to school and stole food from the neighbors.... some people just don't care about their kids. it's terrible. if you listen to everything in this case, these people didn't care what happens with him.
The parents are losers and disgusting! Jennifer and her son have gained a ton of weight. Jennifer had aged 20 years. Lock up the parents. Ethan needs help and should not be in prison.
Who has the right to say HOW any parents would respond to such a nightmare! School sent them home! She did NOT blame it on work. He was locked out because of school assignments, NOT BECAUSE OF HALLUCINATIONS! Your incorrect descriptions of what was said and When is Unforgivable!!!
If the school thought he was suicidal (they claim they did) they should have immediately had him assessed at Common Ground, the psychiatric crisis service.
As soon as you bring in someone to help you are under their radar. If you are aware of your own faults you see that they Are going to hold You responsible for your children and that could create more problems for You. If you care about your child you would have already had them receiving help,, but you are more concerned with yourself and others perception of you. This is happening all over the world. Every time some kid runs over someone or stabs someone we hear about how the neighbors thought they seemed ‘off’ or how there has been lots of trouble from the family but no one Does anything. No one wants to be responsible anymore.
I don't think we need an answer from Jennifer. Her utterly cold and indifferent behavior says it all. She locked him out of the house while he was having haluccinations? She didn't even show up at his indictment hearing; just left him to go through that on his own? It's not someone's words that explain them; it's their actions.
When my 11 months just falls down , i blame my self and wonder what i was doing that is important than making sure it doesnt happen.how on earth can ur son hallucinate and u sleep while encaged him? This family is evil as the devil himself
I think if he was not a school shooter and she got a call from school saying to come get your kids because there is an active shooter still wouldn’t go get him. After watching her and listening to the entire trial she is pathetic and she is culpable of negligence she didn’t care about what he was going through. She didn’t ask questions she didn’t look through her backpack. She didn’t schedule talks with teachers. She did nothing. She had one son to raise. That was her only job, the most important job, and she cared less and because of that children died.
I believe that Ethan was trying over & over to provoke his parents into intervening with his plans to use the gun at school. And I think he was talking to his parents when he was repeating “you didn’t stop me” over & over.
Not being able to not miss work or losing your job is something most people worry about whether there is a good reason to miss. Most people can’t financially afford to miss time and that’s just the truth
My son has ADHD he's 30 now but when he was at school they would call me at work to go in and when asked I would take him home. I was a single parent, worked 12 hour shifts because we needed the money but the welfare of my kids always came first and he never had near the issues Ethan did.
@@maridepp53 and I’ve also been told the very same thing as Jennifer was years ago and guess what I listen most my job. Just because they say it’s okay doesn’t really make it so
The school officials should also have been more assertive in dealing with the situation. If they had concerns, they could have - and should have - removed the boy from the school. I believe the parents are culpable, but I wouldn’t absolve the school.
Has it ever been revealed what the Crumbley's debt load was? Her obsession with being at work feels like someone who prioritizes income, like someone in a lot of debt or a gambling/drug problem.
The shooter's egg (ed) & sperm (sd) donors didn't/don't care about him AT ALL. sd was married when ed met him. She only got knocked-up, so sd would leave his wife for her. Therefore, I think the shooter was always neglected, just an "oopsie baby" neither donor wanted. As for OHS, there's blame both ways, because there's fault both ways. The counselor originally said to take the shooter for a psych eval IMMEDIATELY. We know in hindsight his instinct was correct. When the donors refused citing work demands, the counselor should've called CPS IMMEDIATELY. He didn't. What made him think they had 48 hours to play with? Too bad the school is immune from prosecution.
I am so disappointed in Webber right now. Both of them are just telling is the states talking points. Please watch the whole trial yourself people this is not all true at least in this timeliness he is talking about.
Even if they didn’t buy Ethan a gun he could have obtained one illegally. The school had an obligation to search his backpack. It had nothing to do with the parents saying they bought him a gun. And no I am not saying the parents aren’t responsible. Everyone is guilty.
They locked their son out of the house because he was hallucinating!?!? For Gods sake what kind of parents are these people. They sent him to school the next day. What should have happened was the parents should have contacted their doctor to refer him to a mental health professional. 💙☮️🙏🇺🇸🤪
IN MY VIEW I think everything is blowing out of proportion. Jennifer Crimbley was not the one who committed MURDER. Jennifer Crumbley should not be charged for murder. She loves her son. She is IMPERFECT and unable to KNOW everything in her kids mind like ALL PARENTS.
difficult case. I'd imagine plenty of people have "hallucinations" (whatever those are) and own a gun but never shoot anyone. Although most of them are probably older than Ethan.
@@five5star5show do you know there was no health insurance cause jennifer didn't have it on him through her work you have no idea if he was on James plan from his previous employer before he was laid off or they have a private plan or maybe even Medicare. You have no idea if he went to a doctor BUT what we do know is the psychologist in his allen hearing said he DID NOT suffer for mental defect
From the boy's trial and psych eval. He was not taken by his parents for help. He was not on meds. He was often left alone at home for long periods of time. Almost all of the witnesses in this trial testified at the son's trial first - they will have to testify again at the Husbands trial.
Can you be arrested and convicted for something you didn't do as opposed to what you did? Is it against a law to do nothing? Even if you know? Or suppose? Is that a slippery slope?Is that a law??
Deplorable hater's ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishment courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
Oh please, I’m sure the family had tried or knew there was nothing they’re legally allowed to do because of the right to self determination, they have no right to force him to get help period that is our laws! The school did not do anything either they saw the Help me and didn’t call CPS right away it’s the school too they’re supposed to keep kids safe on thier watch both are responsible
He begged for help. They did not provide any. They ignired his cries for help. And he's under 18, so legally, they had plenty of mental healthcare options.
Should Jennifer Crumbly be convicted, this case would set precedence! Michigan may become the most legally dangerous state for parents to have children! You can forget about child adoptions and foster care homes in Michigan... This would destroy countless lives by association only benefitting the legal system financially, in the guise of child safety!...
Children aren’t supposed to have guns without adult supervision. Everyone has mental health problems. The children are being told they are in a world without hope. There are thousands more suicides happening. This isn’t a gun problem. This is a people who need help issue. I know hundreds of gun owners and None of them have shot anyone.
Deplorable hater's ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishment courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
Why did they send him to school the next day if the night before he was having hallucinations? Why didn't they stay home with him and seek help for him?
At the end of the day the school failed all the students and so did their security system by not checking students backpacks and lockers. Let's not forget how they failed the shooter when he was acting out writing things and drawing pictures that was a sign and a cry for help and no one listened. Teachers failed and administration.. The parents were horrible neglecting their kid absolutely. But they did not shoot anyone their son did and the school allowed him to come in with a gun. You can't cover up truth. School acts like they have no accountability. They do.. god bless all the victims souls taken and the families 🙏
It is completely irresponsible for the media to deflect from the FACTS & TRUTH of the matter... He was not 'locked out by his parents' - he locked himself out accidentally got upset and had an outburst. The School Board Members, staff, AND *Counselors* , were all trained YEARLY on suicidal teens, hormonal outbursts, lone shooters, etc. They FAILED the parents, the boy, the victims, and their families!
Moral to the story :
1. Don’t buy your under age child a gun.
2. If your child needs mental health attention of any kind get them the help they need.
3. If you’re not willing to put in the work as a parent don’t have children .
This is such a tragic case, so many people failed this young boy, most importantly his own parents .
During day 3, it was revealed that Ethan was an oopsie baby 🤦🏻♀️
Even if you sew the vagina labia together woman can still have a c-section.
Wow so dramatic and self righteous. It is never stated children weren’t a blessing or that life had type os. Please. Bastard or barren? Wow you’re a bit weird. @@hypnaudiostream3574
@@hypnaudiostream3574 Ok, relax. Those are the words the witness used. Not mine.
I agree. Why have kids, its disgusting!
Kid should have gone to the ER the night he had a crisis not get locked out.
Just what I was thinking. He needed medical and psychological health. Total negligence.
You are exactly right. Also, once the child comes home from treatment not only do you need to remove any kind of firearms from the home you have to lock up alcohol, kitchen utensils, medicine, etc. Desperate times bring desperate measures.
Exactly as a former ER nurse I saw many good and responsive parents who brought their children to ED for mental health crisis. Its so tragic how avoidable this all was.
Yes absolutely. Where I'm from, thats what happens.
@@zimladyj84 you said it yourself, "good and responsive parents," which were clearly absent here.
Why on earth did they buy him a gun when they suspected he was suicidal?! It’s almost like they wanted him to do himself in. WHY do parents give weapons to their children?! WTF is wrong with people.
Exactly. That tells you what kinds of parents he had.
@@QRts14you obviously been just listening a people like in this clip maybe you could do just a little research but I'll save you some time 1 he did not have the gun in his possession it was in the parents bedroom hid away as well as the bullets hid in a different location 2 you obviously don't know gun laws in Michigan there is not a safe gun law nothing says it has to be locked up is it a good idea absolutely however good ideas are not law
I mean I grew up in a hick ass town most high school kids had a bow or gun in their trunk at school to.hunt as soon as they got out.. We never had a shooting at school... But we could fight without being demonized and getting expelled. Fight get sent home a couple days come back like nothing happened. And the bullies got hit in the mouth before the did enough damage to make ppl snap like this shit
Yep that's the conclusion we've come too. Sick ain't it?
@@QRts14 so the problem with the abuser scenario is most domestic violence charges rise to the level of felony people with felony on their record are not allowed to possess guns at all so in the instance that someone is killed by gun the abuser has broke the law that's in place now. Another problem is victims of abuser need to speak up to bring that abuser to justice. Mental illness so who makes that call? There are red flag laws in place in some states however imo are unconstitutional never the less their there. In this case where has it been well documented for mental illness even the psychologist at his allen hearing said he has no mental defect
Parents need to be held accountable !!
She deserves prison! They tortured him.
Tortured? Just curious how
they ignored him.. they gave him a gun and access to it.. did they know he was torturing birds?
he was a teenager, most teenagers want to be ignored by their parents.
she's guilty of a lot of things, but involuntary manslaughter, no.
@@DiamondsTakingShapeI agree! His text messages were disturbing. Talking about demons and things flying around his room. He’s literally begging for them to come home but they didn’t. They even knew he was drinking too. If you’re child was having seizures you would take him to the emergency room. If he broke his leg you would take him to the emergency room. I don’t understand why they treated his mental health differently. The text messages they read out on Thursday/Friday were awful.
I feel that this kid was in pain with no one to help him!!
@@adrialee8149
They left him alone too often especially when he was afraid! Locked him out the house for having hallucinations??? How did that help him??? I call it torture!!!!
Locked him out whilst he was hallucinating?? That says everything! Damn..
It is clearly the parents fault. He is a minor. He’s a child. He doesn’t even know what’s going on with himself. It is clearly the parents fault should have had him assessed by a psychiatrist or a doctor at least had him sedated. You do not lock your child outside that is child neglect, and abuse, right there.
Low key, even though he commited the act i feel like the parents should have a harsher sentence than him. At the very least I hope at some point they will consider putting him in a ward over jail
If he’s a child why did they trial him as adult
I kind of feel like they hoped their son would commit s-side so they could be free of him. Nothing else makes sense.
100%. The mom for sure. The dad, maybe. She is the one who seems to be the least observant on purpose.
I has a difficult child and I confronted the problem and it wore deeply on me and others said to ignore it no way it was my responcaiblity it was a night I will never forget checking her as a minor into a mental hospital..
Had a very similar issue. The hardest thing we ever had to do at age 14. Then it was difficult to get additional treatment during Covid.
Thank you for doing the right thing as a parent and for your child. Your child needed help and you made sure that she got it even though it must have been gut wrenching to check her into that mental hospital. God bless you and your daughter.
@@goofygirl1311 Thank you!
It might make you feel bad, but that choice is truly what makes or breaks you being a good parent, choosing what’s best for them despite what’s easy for you is what responsible parents do, and I’m betting she’s gonna grow up and thank you for helping her even if she’s angry or upset about it now, it’s really a long term benefit over short term struggle but lazy parents won’t prioritize the child so they pick the easy route like the Crumbleys.
Please use punctuation so your post is comprehendible.
I have worked with high risk kids with mental problems for the last 15 years- if he was hallucinating all they had to do was call crisis or take him to ER- then he wouldn’t have been in school the next day and the kid might have gotten the help he needed- now he will spend life in prison and families losing their children have been destroyed
Would the dumb ER help him or admit him if they did? Just asking.
@@chastityrenee4682 Good question the ER never seems equipped for mental health issues. The only way he would've gotten the correct help is if the parents took him to actual therapy or a in residence facility.
@@chastityrenee4682 yes they would- we do it often. They will also bring in crisis counselors or help them get admitted somewhere else.
*FALSE*
The ER does NOT assist in any mental health issues and certainly not hormonal teens. You are spreading MISINFORMATION and you are negligible in the next future crises... aka, u r just as guilty if not more as the school counselor who FAILED the boy, his parents, the victims, and the families for LYING
*FALSE*
The ER does NOT assist in any mental health issues and certainly not hormonal teens. You are spreading MISINFORMATION and you are negligible in the next future crises... aka, u r just as guilty if not more as the school counselor who FAILED the boy, his parents, the victims, and the families for LYING
I don't understand why she didn't take him home. Her boss offered the time off she didn't want it? Idk..She seemed more concerned about herself and her animals.
She had money for horses, therapy for horses, supplements, vets etc but she didn't spend a penny on her son's medical? No shrink, no doctor, no time for him? SMH. She wouldn't even reply to his messages but would reply to anything about the horses. Good luck to that woman. It's deplorable!
This can be said with many of people. I know plenty of people who put food, cars, etc before their mental health. It isn't taken seriously in this country. I work with a coworker who complains she can't afford therapy but is spending $600 on her eyebrows every few months. Many people put things way before their mental wellbeing
@@solennethomas7365 I agree 💯
@@Lovequalpeace True, but most people don't have the types of mental health issues her son has. He was hearing voices and seeing demons. She should have addressed that along with his drinking problem.
Child abuse at minimum
i hope she's found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter - & more parents take notes on what is possible if you don't pay attention to your kids.
i don't think this meets the definition of manslaughter.
We lock up parents who don't have the time to pickup there kids one day?
It’s hardly that simple.
@@user-zp9br7jk9kand buy them illegal guns because they’re cool. Idiots.
@@thedbcooperforum Lol, if you are comparing those two situations, you need to pay more attention to the details of this case.
Let’s talk about the Defense Attorney? Supposedly she an excellent attorney but…she’s so emotional and appears to frazzled, unorganized and nervous.
Her whole Taylor Swift reference at the beginning just makes me want her to lose
She looks like an alcoholic to me because she has the shakes and she’s a loud, emotional mess. I’m sure the jury is annoyed by her loud whining.
Her flipping off people also is bad.
She's a wreck.
Who said she had an excellent record career?! That’s fake news!
Fafher cared more then the mother for sure
The father was a wimp who put his wife above his son.
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I only think he seemed more concerned is because he knows HE is the one who She made sure made the Actual purchase. That has been her ‘defense’ so far. Sure I knew but I Didn’t do it.
@@desi4227 That is a very good point. She could very well have been behind the purchase but wanted James to be the one responsible for it. She's a real piece of work.
I think we’ve seen more emotion from the father than the mother so far correct? Such a sad situation. (😳 Edit, change that “correct” to “haven’t we?”?)
Ethan should not have got a life sentence in a prison. He was not in his right mind and should have been sent to a secure mental health facility to serve his sentence. My heart breaks for him to have had such shitty PARENTS. May his victims RIP.
These parents are not the son and further, this lengthy process is the punishment ...! The system already took everything these parents had. Either way, the system utterly destroyed these parents’ based on another persons actions ... This is not justice!
The prosecutor’s ominous plot is darker than a moonless night...!
are you off your head he killed ppl
@@BILLYRFCNO1 No, I'm not off my head. I have an adopted son who suffers from psychosis and before he was diagnosed and medicated he was nowhere near sane when he had a psychotic episode. Be grateful that your brain functions as it should.
Oo please would you think the same if your child was one of his victims? He deserves prison but he also deserves mental help. At his age if his parents did not listen he could have gone to a teacher, guidance counselor, police station a priest or clergy etc he knew what he planned and took no recourse to stop himself in any way
@@nicole05188 I should have qualified that Ethan needs to be admitted to a mental health facility for the same amount of time if necessary. I certainly don't believe he should walk free. I have had major depression for almost 50 years and my adopted son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 22, so I am more empathetic to people with mental health struggles.
But this space is too limited to allow for proper discussion so I'll leave it at that.
he drew a gun on a piece of paper at school i think that warrants a search of the kids backpack 🙄
I found it interesting that the Dean of the school said that guns in their area are so common that they have to remind their students not to wear their hunting gear to school and that they have students that take pictures in their homecoming attire posing with guns. He was basically saying a picture of a gun is maybe not as alarming as one might think because of how common they are in that area. I never even considered this theory, I live in CA and perhaps that drawing would be more alarming here than in other states. However, the writings on the math sheet, along with the drawing, says much more than if it was just a drawing of a gun, imo.
The school didn't have all the info. They didn't know he was having hallucinations and that the parents ignored previous cries for help.
So much wrong here. I cant imagine locking him outside because he was having hallucinations. Defies any kind of normal parenting.
Horrible parent!! This is what’s wrong with our country today…absent, negligent parenting!!
Were they hoping he would kill himself??
People should watch the trial for themselves. Half of what is said here is inaccurate.
Ethan:Can You Take Care Of Dexter For Me?
Jennifer: Why! Why!
Ethan then repeated:I love you I love you.
It was not the Father James.Look at the video in its entirety again
But then when kids cry out for help they call them “attention seeking”. Your only saying these things because of the results.
no. there are different kinds of people. if this is your environment, go.
@@joceery wth? Different kinds of people? Yes this is exactly what they say! Attention seeker!
Love isn't locking your child out of the house period, whether crisis or not.
'Man up', the mother's reaction to her son in need.
They called him an “oopsie baby”!! That’s not love!
I don’t think he deserves life in prison!!! Also, I’m
Pissed at how bad they’re treating him in prison! Yeah, I said it!!! I’m an RN and I know that restraints is not legal. How can they do this to him in prison. He is a child!
Both parents will go to prison.
I'm praying that the jury gets it right and finds her guilty!!
If your kids hears and see things. No guns in the home or anything weapon.
Exactly, the dad seems more concerned, but again, the school, when they saw the drawing of the gun, the words, lots of blood, they should have ASAP, check his backpack, his locker
One of the school employees explained during testimony that the law requires them to have probably cause to search a student backpack. If the parents had mentioned that he had access to guns at home that would have given the school an "in" to search that backpack. Because the parents withheld crucial information from the school the school's hands were tied as far as what they could do. The drawing showed only one person shot and the words "Help me" which made them think he had suicidal ideation, not that he was a danger to anyone else. If the drawing showed multiple people "down", that would have given the school more cause to think he could be a danger to others.
This is a community where, during hunting season, school starts late on Wednesdays and high schoolers go hunting in the morning before school. So, a certain amount of interest in guns is baked into their psyche and not considered to be alarming. It was testified that some of them get dressed up in their prom clothes and just have to have a photo taken of them holding their guns dressed in prom clothing. Guns are normal for much of this country, and Michigan is a huge gun toting place. Doesn't mean they are all dangerous. In fact, it can make it more difficult to figure out if someone actually is dangerous. Schools are loathe to jump the gun, so to speak, because most are not dangerous to themselves or others. But the parents knew in this case that their son had serious mental health issues. And they bought him a gun instead of taking him to a mental health counselor.
@@bees5461 wow that's messed up, I'm definitely never going there .... but the thinking of the school was still weird, every suicidal person is a potential mass shooter. It is known for a long time.
The video of Ethan melting down with the spit guard over his head, is so effing heartbreaking...he keeps screaming over and over "..you coulda stopped this/why didn't you stop me?" to God and his mother. I just wanna give him a hug... i wish he had another adult he trusted to talk to... locking him out the night before bc he was hallucinating is evil... they shoulda stayed up with him thru the night... i hope this judge gives her good ol lashing when shes inevitably found guilty
yes! as I understood, he asked several times for help because of the hallucination and wanted stationary treatment, but the parents didn't want to. that's crazy, never heard of that, usually people with psychosis don't want treatment.
Looks like Ethan fooled u
This judge seems too calm to give any kind of lashing
@@stephanied6451 great example...the Murdaugh judge. A lashing isn't just tone... another example...the Darrell Brooks judge... this judge conducts herself like shes in REM stage sleep the whole proceeding long
It looks like the mother has put on some pounds
She looked like a different person when the trial started, I honestly couldn’t believe it. The weight gain was startling but her hair is now gray and not styled at all. Each day in the courtroom she looks like she just got out of bed. Dramatic change which actually might work in her favor.. to garner sympathy.
Oh definitely seems to be the case. The sedentary life in jail has taken a toll on her health along with added stress under such grim circumstances not to mention other factors made her aged like 10 plus years in a two year span. Sadly her better days are no more.
@@Jerry12768 Now she looks like she could be Jennifer’s mother.
I'm sure Shannon wants her to look like a frumpy housewife. 🙄
The counsellor told the parents that the school would check that they had taken him to the psychologist and they gave them a time frame for that to occur. That would have also been pressure for the parents to act. If things hadn’t gone so catastrophically wrong before that could have been arranged, or if they had taken him that day as requested by the school, things might have been different. So it appears the prosecution are successfully making their case right now with the defence unable to plug the glaring holes.
first me, they didn't take that test serious enough. giving them time frame for an appointment? from the test it is more than clear he's a danger to himself or others, there was immediately action needed.
She and the father are the lowest of the lowest.
She was living in the STATE OF DENIAL. Not a defense but seems clear. His bedroom alone was clearly showing neglect. Terrible disorder in that home.
Locked outside on Nov. 30? The son could have frozen to death.
Her friends from high school have been commenting a lot on these websites and they are saying she “Jennifer” was always conceited and it was all about her all of the time in school. Granted people change but I don’t think she did.
Thank god she isn’t charged with being conceited
I'd be very careful about what I believed. Any random whack job can comment on websites claiming to have known the defendant. Shame on them whether it's true or not and, frankly, shame on you for passing unvetted material on. News sites would PAY to interview people with negative insights like this. Why aren't these "friends" showing their faces?
@@pricklypear7516 I agree with your comment.
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@@Jade_902 what I mean totally serious like these people are nitpicking every little thing these parents are not on trial or being conceited being a messy person any of that so I don’t understand why everybody’s nitpicking it because that’s not what this case is about
The lead defense attorney’s conduct is beyond unprofessional. I hope this lady won’t be able to appeal based on ineffectiveness of counsel if this ends the way it seems it will. With all the publicity and this being one of the first case where parents of the perpetrator are prosecuted, you would think some attention seeking high priced attorney would take this on pro bono.
One could say her excuses are Crumbley.
I’ve been listening to all of this testimony all day.
That's a lot! Make sure to take care .
Could the parents afford mental healthcare? Im curious? Did they try to take him in amd get rejected by the ER? I have to ask? It happens more than you know.
no the kid wanted to go to the ER and they didn't go, the parent's didn't see necessity. they definitely didn't want help for him. but yes, health care costs sure don't help, probably a factor. but when your evil, it can cost nothing and they won't do it. did you read of that boy? he lived for two years alone in france, his mother went to her boyfriend, a few streets away, never visited him. he went still to school and stole food from the neighbors.... some people just don't care about their kids. it's terrible. if you listen to everything in this case, these people didn't care what happens with him.
Well, Jennifer had 2 horses costing approximately $2,000 per month.. priorities
If I were his mom, I would just apologize instead of blaming the school
yes just makes her look worse
If she admits fault she has to go to prison for 12years
@Superon672 was 12 years a plea deal? If she is convicted she faces up to 60
@@stephanied6451Her sentences run concurrently. She can get 10- 15 years. Judge decides.
To late to appoligize, 4 kids dead...allready,.too late!!!!!
The parents are losers and disgusting! Jennifer and her son have gained a ton of weight. Jennifer had aged 20 years. Lock up the parents. Ethan needs help and should not be in prison.
Each parent has a different Definition for the word love.
She only said "Why?" after spotting the camera on her on the way out.
Not only that, but how important is door dash?!
Ethan asks if they can stay. Jennifer says why twice. It is not why did you do this. Listen more closely and see his mouth moving and face.
Who has the right to say HOW any parents would respond to such a nightmare! School sent them home! She did NOT blame it on work. He was locked out because of school assignments, NOT BECAUSE OF HALLUCINATIONS! Your incorrect descriptions of what was said and When is Unforgivable!!!
If the school thought he was suicidal (they claim they did) they should have immediately had him assessed at Common Ground, the psychiatric crisis service.
As soon as you bring in someone to help you are under their radar. If you are aware of your own faults you see that they Are going to hold You responsible for your children and that could create more problems for You. If you care about your child you would have already had them receiving help,, but you are more concerned with yourself and others perception of you. This is happening all over the world. Every time some kid runs over someone or stabs someone we hear about how the neighbors thought they seemed ‘off’ or how there has been lots of trouble from the family but no one Does anything. No one wants to be responsible anymore.
Mom had no interaction with son until she saw the camera.....then she acts concerned and asks why.
These parents failed their child in so many ways. So sorry your child’s mental health is such an inconvenience (sarcasm).
She Was a BAD mom
& a TERRIBLE Stepmom.
I don't think we need an answer from Jennifer. Her utterly cold and indifferent behavior says it all. She locked him out of the house while he was having haluccinations? She didn't even show up at his indictment hearing; just left him to go through that on his own? It's not someone's words that explain them; it's their actions.
She’s absolutely 100% culpable
The ONLY thing the families of the victim's have asked of us is to STOP USING THAT MONSTERS NAME! Shame on you
Do people really lock their kids out??
When my 11 months just falls down , i blame my self and wonder what i was doing that is important than making sure it doesnt happen.how on earth can ur son hallucinate and u sleep while encaged him? This family is evil as the devil himself
She had a slip of the tongue on cross. She said we took is targets away and HIS gun.
I think if he was not a school shooter and she got a call from school saying to come get your kids because there is an active shooter still wouldn’t go get him. After watching her and listening to the entire trial she is pathetic and she is culpable of negligence she didn’t care about what he was going through. She didn’t ask questions she didn’t look through her backpack. She didn’t schedule talks with teachers. She did nothing. She had one son to raise. That was her only job, the most important job, and she cared less and because of that children died.
The school was just as negligent
Other people paid the price because of these lazy, uncaring parents.
If you don't have the time, don't make the child 🚸.
Not parents....the father, the henpecked father. She was not able tto take care of the son or father!!!!!!!! Her wants were the most important.
Jennifer says things that are not true .
I believe that Ethan was trying over & over to provoke his parents into intervening with his plans to use the gun at school.
And I think he was talking to his parents when he was repeating “you didn’t stop me” over & over.
The school is also to blame!!!!!!
The parents bought him the gun and the bullets ... even though he was so mentally unstable that they didn't want to be inside the house with him??
You can tell, because they both made sure to provide themselves with the best legal representation
This is not great fact reporting interview. Watch the trial. Bad reporting on both.
Mom needs a psych evaluation.
Not being able to not miss work or losing your job is something most people worry about whether there is a good reason to miss. Most people can’t financially afford to miss time and that’s just the truth
My son has ADHD he's 30 now but when he was at school they would call me at work to go in and when asked I would take him home. I was a single parent, worked 12 hour shifts because we needed the money but the welfare of my kids always came first and he never had near the issues Ethan did.
She could have. When her boss was testifying he said he told her not to worry and take care of her son. She wanted to leave.
@@maridepp53 was that with pay? That’s what most of us rely on to support ourselves and or families
@@maridepp53 like I said she was the only solid income in that family
@@maridepp53 and I’ve also been told the very same thing as Jennifer was years ago and guess what I listen most my job. Just because they say it’s okay doesn’t really make it so
The school officials should also have been more assertive in dealing with the situation. If they had concerns, they could have - and should have - removed the boy from the school. I believe the parents are culpable, but I wouldn’t absolve the school.
Has it ever been revealed what the Crumbley's debt load was? Her obsession with being at work feels like someone who prioritizes income, like someone in a lot of debt or a gambling/drug problem.
School had info they didnt share
The shooter's egg (ed) & sperm (sd) donors didn't/don't care about him AT ALL. sd was married when ed met him. She only got knocked-up, so sd would leave his wife for her. Therefore, I think the shooter was always neglected, just an "oopsie baby" neither donor wanted.
As for OHS, there's blame both ways, because there's fault both ways.
The counselor originally said to take the shooter for a psych eval IMMEDIATELY. We know in hindsight his instinct was correct. When the donors refused citing work demands, the counselor should've called CPS IMMEDIATELY. He didn't. What made him think they had 48 hours to play with? Too bad the school is immune from prosecution.
I am so disappointed in Webber right now. Both of them are just telling is the states talking points. Please watch the whole trial yourself people this is not all true at least in this timeliness he is talking about.
Jesse. i love you but dont buy into it.
Jesse Weber fine
News Nation needs to check their facts. Bad info on many of their shows. Disappointing.
How can the defense lawyer allow er client look so messy. Her hair and clothes don’t help her.
Even if they didn’t buy Ethan a gun he could have obtained one illegally. The school had an obligation to search his backpack. It had nothing to do with the parents saying they bought him a gun. And no I am not saying the parents aren’t responsible. Everyone is guilty.
They locked their son out of the house because he was hallucinating!?!? For Gods sake what kind of parents are these people. They sent him to school the next day. What should have happened was the parents should have contacted their doctor to refer him to a mental health professional. 💙☮️🙏🇺🇸🤪
Fact driven unbiased only on days that end with y
IN MY VIEW
I think everything is blowing out of proportion. Jennifer Crimbley was not the one who committed MURDER. Jennifer Crumbley should not be charged for murder. She loves her son. She is IMPERFECT and unable to KNOW everything in her kids mind like ALL PARENTS.
difficult case. I'd imagine plenty of people have "hallucinations" (whatever those are) and own a gun but never shoot anyone. Although most of them are probably older than Ethan.
Not quite the babe she thought she was. No to lay did she turn on her child but she turned on hubby too
What kind of medication was he on? Antidepressants?
He was on nothing!
@@Jade_902 and you know this how?
His parents didn't get him help. No health insurance No doctor no therapist no psychiatrist so no meds
@@five5star5show do you know there was no health insurance cause jennifer didn't have it on him through her work you have no idea if he was on James plan from his previous employer before he was laid off or they have a private plan or maybe even Medicare. You have no idea if he went to a doctor BUT what we do know is the psychologist in his allen hearing said he DID NOT suffer for mental defect
From the boy's trial and psych eval. He was not taken by his parents for help. He was not on meds. He was often left alone at home for long periods of time. Almost all of the witnesses in this trial testified at the son's trial first - they will have to testify again at the Husbands trial.
Can you be arrested and convicted for something you didn't do as opposed to what you did? Is it against a law to do nothing? Even if you know? Or suppose? Is that a slippery slope?Is that a law??
Deplorable hater's ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishment courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
Oh please, I’m sure the family had tried or knew there was nothing they’re legally allowed to do because of the right to self determination, they have no right to force him to get help period that is our laws! The school did not do anything either they saw the Help me and didn’t call CPS right away it’s the school too they’re supposed to keep kids safe on thier watch both are responsible
He begged for help. They did not provide any. They ignired his cries for help. And he's under 18, so legally, they had plenty of mental healthcare options.
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Should Jennifer Crumbly be convicted, this case would set precedence!
Michigan may become the most legally dangerous state for parents to have children!
You can forget about child adoptions and foster care homes in Michigan... This would destroy countless lives by association only benefitting the legal system financially, in the guise of child safety!...
Yeah god forbid parents be punished and be put in jail for NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR KIDS.
Yes. Parent your children so they don’t kill mine.
Perhaps it’s time to have a serious conversation about guns in the hands of children, particularly those with mental health issues.
Children aren’t supposed to have guns without adult supervision.
Everyone has mental health problems. The children are being told they are in a world without hope. There are thousands more suicides happening. This isn’t a gun problem. This is a people who need help issue. I know hundreds of gun owners and None of them have shot anyone.
Deplorable hater's ACT like the Crumbly parents pre-orchestrated this horrible event and wanted mass murder...! People haters need the love of God in in their lives, not punishment courts based on retaliation, anger and hate! (NOT GUILTY)...!
4:28 Betty Rubble
Oh Jesse your not even a parent yet so you have no clue 🤷🏻♀️
These parents should NOT be charged for the actions of their kid.
They didn’t shoot anyone. The kid did
Why did they send him to school the next day if the night before he was having hallucinations? Why didn't they stay home with him and seek help for him?
they won't be charged for his actions, they will be for their actions or non actions.
At the end of the day the school failed all the students and so did their security system by not checking students backpacks and lockers. Let's not forget how they failed the shooter when he was acting out writing things and drawing pictures that was a sign and a cry for help and no one listened. Teachers failed and administration.. The parents were horrible neglecting their kid absolutely. But they did not shoot anyone their son did and the school allowed him to come in with a gun. You can't cover up truth. School acts like they have no accountability. They do.. god bless all the victims souls taken and the families 🙏
It is completely irresponsible for the media to deflect from the FACTS & TRUTH of the matter...
He was not 'locked out by his parents' - he locked himself out accidentally got upset and had an outburst.
The School Board Members, staff, AND *Counselors* , were all trained YEARLY on suicidal teens, hormonal outbursts, lone shooters, etc. They FAILED the parents, the boy, the victims, and their families!