Just found your channel this morning and have to say, so far, great content. Have to say, excellent break down on these, have watched a few "talking point" videos on them when first released and no one mentioned that center lock is completely different to 6 bolt. Absolutely 100% agree on Hope hubs, they change stuff when it really needs changing, not just to sell more crap and when they do change things, those changes have been tested for years. I've got 5 sets from Pro2 to Pro4 and I will be getting a set of Pro5s next time I'm looking.
Great vid, especially calling out the subtle differences between the CL and 6 bolt. Got a pair of these when they came out. They have been absolutely bombproof and they are a breeze to service. Perfect balance between engagement, serviceability, and function. Highly recommended.
Excellent video, with lots of useful technical detail and compatibility data. I have many Pro2/EVO/Pro 4 hubs and the two main strengths are, as you say, serviceability and flexibility of parts/freehubs etc. They aren't perfect though and DT are arguably a step ahead these days (I have a few of these too). It'll be interesting to see if Hope can narrow this gap with the Pro5
Love the hubs. But dissapointing sound. Got my mate at bike shop to clean some of the grease out & bend the springs a bit. Didn't make much difference. Need them louder.
Huge fan of hope. Question: is the only different between the ebike version and the standard version the freehub body/driver ? Or is there a difference in the hub shell and axle ?
I noticed on the centerlock hubs, the bearings are exposed where the endcaps go in? Wouldn’t the bearings wear down a lot quicker? Is this a design flaw as it looks like it’s fully enclosed on the 6bolt hubs
Yes, the 6-bolt hubs use a contact seal on that side of the hub whereas the center lock do not. This *probably* means the 6-bolt hubs will have longer bearing life (especially as they use bigger bearings) but the driveside bearings don't have a contact seal and they last pretty well so this might be a 'in theory yes, in practice no' situation. Time will tell! -Tristan
I would love to see a deepdive on Chris King's current hubs. I know they're not super new, but they're still quite interesting. I'd like to hear your thoughts on their drive mechanism, sealing, and overall build quality. I love mine, but is Chris King really as premium as everyone says?
6-bolt Pro5 is essentially the same as the Pro4. The Pro5 CL is slightly narrower than the 6-bolt. See www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/Pro5_PCD_J_Bend2(1).pdf
Based on experience with the Pro4 I can't see any issues with using the center lock hub and the aluminium freehub body. If (and it's a big "if") you have freehub issues then you can always fit the steel freehub body. Center lock rotors have proven themselves to work really well so no issues there. I generally think it comes down to which brake / rotor you're using. If it's a Shimano brake then you have better rotor options with center lock. If it's a Sram then they tend to focus on 6-bolt. -TT
I like my hope 4 just fine. Serious question, is engagement better than 8 degrees that much better? Or even 10 and under? Never ridden anything with less than 8. But my old crank bros hub was terrible at 17. Going to the hope pro 4 was much needed
Certainly diminishing returns! On a mountain bike I find the DT Swiss 18 and 36 to be terrible but a hub with beyond 72 doesn't really make much difference. If you ride really slow tech trails then you'll want slightly more engagement points, if you're riding is fast flow trails then basically anything will feel the same. -Tristan
Having bought these hubs I’m wondering how can a plastic labyrinth seal rubbing against hard aluminium on both sides have any longevity especially in a dirty gritty environment
You missed the fact that the pro five has a narrower drive ring which means its even weaker than pro four i have stripped 3 pro 4 rear hubs in 2 years and i,m not trials rider more a hardcore xc rider with some serious watts. I love the hubs but the thread on the drive ring is just not deep enough ok if you think 200 watts is alot so the new pro 5 even weaker sorry hope get some test riders with some power not just downhillers .
It's slightly narrower but larger diameter so it should be pretty similar in strength. Honestly - we have seen a few damaged drive rings on Hope hubs but never one which has stripped out
HOPEL-ESS would be a better name. They are heavy, and the design / engineering is poor by modern standards. I've serviced several hundred for customers, and they just don't have the right fitment clearance for bearings... too tight which is an issue. The front hub bearings are poorly supported in thru-axle configurations allowing angular loading and premature wear. They were good in the 1990's but have failed to keep up with DT and many others. They should have bought the American Classic designs which would still be best of breed.
My experience of Hope was, they were prone to cracking and the spoke holes on the rear hub was misaligned, front bearing fit was loose. In or around 2015 , quality improved dramatically American Classic, I understand were eventually manufactured by Novatec. Spoke bracing angle / flange to flange measurement, wasn't wide enough for conventional / shallow rims.
This is why I love this channel. Thorough, informative, and engaging.
Awesome UA-cam channel,nice and technical.I really enjoy watching it.Looking forward to the next one.💯👌🏻🚴♀️
Much appreciated!
Just found your channel this morning and have to say, so far, great content. Have to say, excellent break down on these, have watched a few "talking point" videos on them when first released and no one mentioned that center lock is completely different to 6 bolt. Absolutely 100% agree on Hope hubs, they change stuff when it really needs changing, not just to sell more crap and when they do change things, those changes have been tested for years. I've got 5 sets from Pro2 to Pro4 and I will be getting a set of Pro5s next time I'm looking.
Glad you found the video insightful! Thanks for the kind words -Tristan
Great vid, especially calling out the subtle differences between the CL and 6 bolt. Got a pair of these when they came out. They have been absolutely bombproof and they are a breeze to service. Perfect balance between engagement, serviceability, and function. Highly recommended.
Glad it helped! They're great hubs and should be reliable for years to come. -Tristan
Awesome review Tris! ❤
Thank you! 🤗
Thank you for the video 👍
Excellent video, with lots of useful technical detail and compatibility data. I have many Pro2/EVO/Pro 4 hubs and the two main strengths are, as you say, serviceability and flexibility of parts/freehubs etc. They aren't perfect though and DT are arguably a step ahead these days (I have a few of these too). It'll be interesting to see if Hope can narrow this gap with the Pro5
In what areas do you feel that DT Swiss are ahead? -Tristan
Explained lovely thanks
Glad you liked it
Ordered a pair of Mango Pro 5s for my V10. To go with my Tech 4s & ventilated Hope disks.
nice combo
Love the hubs. But dissapointing sound. Got my mate at bike shop to clean some of the grease out & bend the springs a bit. Didn't make much difference. Need them louder.
Wheelworks in-brand hubs are like Hope’s, just with all the little irritations sorted.
We're really proud of the Dial hubs! Have you checked out the service center on dial.bike ?
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great informative video, thank you! For enduro use, would you go with Centerlock or the 6 bolt?
I don't think it matters...choose whichever matches up to your brake and rotor combo -TT
Thanks!
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If money is no object what rear hub would you purchase I9 or CK?
Could you do an update on this review..? I am seeing allot of negative comments of issues about these.
Huge fan of hope.
Question: is the only different between the ebike version and the standard version the freehub body/driver ? Or is there a difference in the hub shell and axle ?
Hub shell and axle are the same....it's just the freehub which is different
Well i got with center lock and steel free hub for e bike so I can confirm no issues
I noticed on the centerlock hubs, the bearings are exposed where the endcaps go in? Wouldn’t the bearings wear down a lot quicker? Is this a design flaw as it looks like it’s fully enclosed on the 6bolt hubs
Yes, the 6-bolt hubs use a contact seal on that side of the hub whereas the center lock do not. This *probably* means the 6-bolt hubs will have longer bearing life (especially as they use bigger bearings) but the driveside bearings don't have a contact seal and they last pretty well so this might be a 'in theory yes, in practice no' situation. Time will tell! -Tristan
I would love to see a deepdive on Chris King's current hubs. I know they're not super new, but they're still quite interesting. I'd like to hear your thoughts on their drive mechanism, sealing, and overall build quality. I love mine, but is Chris King really as premium as everyone says?
Great idea Nate...they're another hub where you're making really clear tradeoffs . Let me see what we can do -Tristan
Do the Pro 5 hub shells have wider flanges than the Pro 4? Did you say the CL Pro 5’ have wider flange spacing than the 6 bolt?
6-bolt Pro5 is essentially the same as the Pro4. The Pro5 CL is slightly narrower than the 6-bolt. See www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/Pro5_PCD_J_Bend2(1).pdf
I'd be interested in your thoughts on the new K.O.M infinity drive, any plans on doing a breakdown?
It's a super interesting hub and we're working with KOM to get one
Would you say that the centre lock hub is inadequate for an e-mtb used for a mix of trail and enduro?
Based on experience with the Pro4 I can't see any issues with using the center lock hub and the aluminium freehub body. If (and it's a big "if") you have freehub issues then you can always fit the steel freehub body.
Center lock rotors have proven themselves to work really well so no issues there.
I generally think it comes down to which brake / rotor you're using. If it's a Shimano brake then you have better rotor options with center lock. If it's a Sram then they tend to focus on 6-bolt.
-TT
I like my hope 4 just fine. Serious question, is engagement better than 8 degrees that much better? Or even 10 and under? Never ridden anything with less than 8. But my old crank bros hub was terrible at 17. Going to the hope pro 4 was much needed
Certainly diminishing returns! On a mountain bike I find the DT Swiss 18 and 36 to be terrible but a hub with beyond 72 doesn't really make much difference. If you ride really slow tech trails then you'll want slightly more engagement points, if you're riding is fast flow trails then basically anything will feel the same. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels so you’re saying 5-8 is good for most?
0:28 How is a brake disc interface "faster rolling"? What, it doesn't stop you as well? Please explain.
The center lock version does not have a contact seal so there will be less drag from the seal while riding -Tristan
How do you install the green seal with the cassette still mounted on the freehub body?
It should clip into place if you backpedal the freehub body / cassette while pushing into the hub - Tristan
6-bolt or centerlock for cyclocross?
probably center lock as you get more rotor options -TT
Having bought these hubs I’m wondering how can a plastic labyrinth seal rubbing against hard aluminium on both sides have any longevity especially in a dirty gritty environment
They've used the same design and materials on hubs for quite a few years (decades?) and we've never seen any issues -Tristan
You missed the fact that the pro five has a narrower drive ring which means its even weaker than pro four i have stripped 3 pro 4 rear hubs in 2 years and i,m not trials rider more a hardcore xc rider with some serious watts. I love the hubs but the thread on the drive ring is just not deep enough ok if you think 200 watts is alot so the new pro 5 even weaker sorry hope get some test riders with some power not just downhillers .
It's slightly narrower but larger diameter so it should be pretty similar in strength. Honestly - we have seen a few damaged drive rings on Hope hubs but never one which has stripped out
Hope 4 Pro hubs are still better
Mapdec fanboy
What do you prefer about the Pro4?
HOPEL-ESS would be a better name. They are heavy, and the design / engineering is poor by modern standards. I've serviced several hundred for customers, and they just don't have the right fitment clearance for bearings... too tight which is an issue. The front hub bearings are poorly supported in thru-axle configurations allowing angular loading and premature wear. They were good in the 1990's but have failed to keep up with DT and many others. They should have bought the American Classic designs which would still be best of breed.
My experience of Hope was, they were prone to cracking and the spoke holes on the rear hub was misaligned, front bearing fit was loose. In or around 2015 , quality improved dramatically American Classic, I understand were eventually manufactured by Novatec. Spoke bracing angle / flange to flange measurement, wasn't wide enough for conventional / shallow rims.
Do you recommend bitex? interested in the mtb BX211R