Shoutout to my editor for having a hard time spelling "Bouquet of Lies" and writing "Bonquet of lie" instead. See how many of the spelling errors you can spot in the video
I use a reaper scythe could you see if it has any use in bers proggresion as Im doing solid dmg with it and want to know if it's worth it to switch to a sf (ik sf is better but it is more expensive and im not sure how much better it is)
youre actually one of the only people that actually help me out, cus rn me and my coop are stuck in mid game with blaze, sa, and crimson sets not knowing how to prog or what to buy. thank you!!
Happy that you DID NOT use any One for All enchants or Soul eater or anything like that. This test, or "experiment" you could call it was very accurate and overall very well done. I'm very surprised that at some point in progression when you don't have very high skills or anything, the Shadow Fury is a very comparable weapon against the Giant's Sword. Also, love the editing so far.
Appreciate it bro, I try my best to minimise inaccuracies :) I was also really surprised with the Shadow Fury's performance and it still feels wrong to recommend it, especially since I've been known as the guy that tells you not to buy one... Regardless, the facts don't lie, and it's cool to see what the current state of these weapons looks like at this point in time
Love your vids as they are always fair comparison for weapons whenever you make these videos and I can see how much your vids have progressed your channel is awesome
I always knew the shadow fury was better than giant sword. Honestly, the admins have to buff the giant sword, like a passive buff ability or even more swing range, if they buff it, they have to buff dark claymore too. They could also make the giant sword easier to get to make it cheaper.
I think its recommended if you have life steal V for bouquet of lives since every time you hit a mob you gain 2.5% of health and life steal takes away 10% of your health per ability use and it can hit up to 15 enemies so you regain 37.5% or 1/3 of your max hp but if you want to use one for all, you need to have a zombie sword for healing or be healer as of my suggestion
as a cata 36 player with gs and 600 mp, gs does about 10% more dmg than my shadow fury did with the only change being a recomb, out of dungeons, gs is about 20% more dmg
This is really interesting, because at c42 the GS was only ever doing less than 1% more damage (if I remember correctly, it was 43.8M dmg vs 45.2M or so) and at c50 I don't think the GS ever outdmg'd (my friend tested these, I'm not sure how fair the tests were) Still important to know that these weapons are reaaalllyy similar in damage and that your profile stats make a HUGE difference on which ones will outdamage each other, so in most cases I still think the SF is a better option, solely because it's 1/3 cheaper
Really? I do 540k with SF and only 548k with GS, I have 800 MP. In my opinion SF > GS because of the pricing. Although Felthorn > both because of the ability and reach
@@SomeStuffNLH The damage differences don't really matter here since they're all practically equal, but as you said, "felthorn > both because of ability and reach" Just go for what you personally prefer more. If you like the ability of the felthorn, that's a valid reason. If you like the SF's speed, also entirely valid :)
Bro use ofa on GS and shadow fury btw no one noticed GS ability during mini boss and clear it have cooldown but in my experience it is a life line suddenly a low health situation by right clicking the area is clear my progress I done like this 1.aotd+drag glove 2.shadow fury 3.giant sword And it is fact I am using it in my first m7 as Right click mage's side weapon Giant sword has no power Untill you don't have magical powers
I've been using bol in F7 and It actually performs really well overall, Also A tip for using bol is to use It's ability directly on the miniboss surrounded by mobs then spam the left and right mouse buttons Because of soul eater making you deal haha funny big dmg while left clicking the miniboss and the healing berserk gives you when killing mobs, So it basically works like archer but for berserks
Absolutely. They're all so comparable that you should be picking which one you want based off of general feel, since none of them are miles better than each other
in my opinion, felthorn is far better then a shadow fury out of dungeons. Since melee damage per second isnt really needed outside of slayers (but slayer specific weapons almost always preform better), the utility offered by the felthorn is very nice to have, its also cheaper then the shadow fury now…
Entirely fair, but if you want an inside AND outside of dungeons weapon, now you have to weigh up your pros and cons. Do you want more convenient outside utility and mediocre inside performance? Or excellent inside dungeons performance with standard outside utility. As I always like to say, most of this stuff just comes down to personal preference. I try to present the facts as best as I can and let you guys decide what works best for you :)
felthorn reaper got done dirty If u look at the stats the shadow fury is MUCH more suited to the silky reforge and would probably have less dmg than the reaper on other stats also the felthorn reapers would have EASILY had the highest dps if the ability was used and could probably compete with the claymore in dps with the ability
Some things to comment on about the felthorn: With all the bags I tested, it never outperformed even the BoL. I was honestly really surprised at how underwhelming it was, since on release, I found it to be really good. The ability is really good, I'll give you that, so if that's something you prefer over the speed of the SF, then I'd recommend buying one for that reason. This is more of a personal preference thing since the weapons are quite comparable already, so if the ability is that appealing to you, get it for that reason It can also be cheaper than the SF, and typically is if you craft it, but the reqs are higher so you will be waiting a little longer to upgrade. Overall it's fine as a weapon, but I still think that the SF provides better utility with the speed, lower reqs and the slightly higher damage. Ultimately that is my opinion, but the felthorn reaper is still pretty solid
the felthron reaper is 20-35m now and when its fragged its just slightly worse than sf but it has a way higher swing range. but honestly its a good replacement if u dont have the money for a fragged sf since its 50-60m which is double the felthron
What people always seem to forget about weapons like the bouquet of flowers or livid dagger is that you have enchantments and a passive that heal your hp, which make the livid dagger a much better overall weapon due to its attack speed and makes the bouquet of flowers easily the best weapon for clearing if you have even just some maxor’s boots(or shadow assassin armor for the early-mid game stages of the game) equipped and either don’t miss your clicks or have a good healing item Also, I almost forgot about it but the yeti pet gives you so much ehp with the bouquet of flowers that you can practically just spam it forever without worrying too much about dying to the dungeon mobs
Agreed, with enough healing items like a wand of Atonement and a florid zombie sword, maybe rejuvenate on your armor. You could basically just spam the Bouquet of Lies forever and get insanely fast clears with that weapon. It's especially useful for the terracota's phase in F6. However, Bouquet of Lies isn't very useful for the boss fight or any minibosses as it should just be a secondary weapon.
Counter point to both of your comments here: - You can heal with any melee weapon thanks to Syphon and Life Steal. This is not exclusive to the Livid, I have no idea why you even brought this up. The AOTD unironically heals you for MORE because it's a stronger weapon - The bonus attack speed from the Livid is also completely useless. I did DPS tests, the AOTD still out-dps' the Livid by a very small amount, to the point where both weapons are basically the same. You're not gaining any bonus DPS because of the attack speed so this is a completely useless stat to consider. If anything, the bonus attack speed is what makes Livid COMPARABLE to the AOTD, but it's still more expensive, has higher requirements and less 1 shot capability, making it worse in every aspect. - I never said the BoL wasn't the best clearing weapon, it certainly is but it's quite tricky to use. The argument of "just use a baby yeti" is useless, because it takes away 10% of your health everytime, which is TRUE DAMAGE. This means that even though you have higher defense, you're still going to take the same damage per right click, and you will drain HP quicker. Yes you can use healing items to counter act this, but it requires more effort and you are much more prone to dying as a result of this. If you're totally okay with counteracting the health you lose then the BoL is a great choice, but it's important to note that that can be a problem. In regards to being able to "spam the Bouquet of Lies forever", no, you can't, I tried this. I had to take breaks after using the ability about 6-8 times in a row before my health got scarily low, because it'd get to the point where if I accidentally walked into a Fel/got hit by a Crypt Lurker's bone, it would insta kill me. Overall, the Livid is garbage and I don't know why you even mentioned it's attack speed. BoL is great but dangerous, so be careful.
@@ModernSoldier Good point on the AOTD but for BoL healing you can mix up melee attacks and ability to lifesteal and you wouldn't get to the point where your health is scarily low and you can basically clear one dungeon room without spamming that much(unless you can't insta kill and in that case just melee them). If you are not unnecessarily using the ability against high hp mobs and using melee more often you wouldn't die of ability health consumption(and if you still die it's almost always an ehp and regen stat issue so make sure you optimize health stats if you still die).
@@ModernSoldier I see, I've never actually used the BOL before, I was assuming that you could basically spam it depending on your healing items. I ran some tests on my profile, and it turns out it actually takes a huge chunks of your health. Also, the fact that the BOL deals TRUE damage and not normal damage is quite frightening. I just said "you could spam it forever" before even testing it, I really wasn't thinking was I? However, I did say that it should solely be a secondary weapon and it shouldn't be used in boss fights. But you did say that you had to take breaks because if you went ANY further you can get insta killed, so always bring another weapon that doesn't take any of your health, like a SF or something like that. In conclusion, the BOL isn't for everybody that like to be aggressive and aren't careful. Thank you for letting me know.
Juju joins the chat: Also I do want to put out that the aotd for it to be worth it you need a dragon fuse glove and you also need to sacrifice a equipment slot and when putting recombs and fuming on an aotd it is never gonna sell for what you spent on it as with the livid dagger or bone reaver your going to get more money back and end up having an extra equipment slot. That’s all my thoughts so yeah.
The counter argument to the dragonfuse glove argument is that the contagion costs 12M, which is much more than the 7M coins of the glove. At the same time, the contagion doesn't really buff your damage at all, especially with berserker. I actually tried this stuff side by side out of curiosity and the clearing potential isn't better at all. When you do upgrade out of the AOTD, you do get this slot back though, and it's likely that THAT'S when you'll want to get the contagion anyways
The problem with so many of these types of videos, is the talisman bag. Strength and Crit tuning is incredibly important for damage, and impacts these damage numbers a lot. I get that it’s a consistentcy point, but something that favors certain weapons over others should not be included in a test meant to compare the damage of weapons. Otherwise, good video.
That's why I stress it heavily in these videos. I did test with other reforges off camera and if I'm not mistaken, I believe the SF edged out the other weapons regardless, I just don't remember by how much. At the end of the day, most of these things perform very similarly and you really should only be choosing your pick based off of personal preference. SF: Speed and overall mobility Felthorn: Swing range & awesome RCM ability GS: Swing Range, different RCM ability. I will say that I could never find a way to justify the GS though, I still think this one is too expensive Regardless, very good points by this comment :)
@@ModernSoldier i think livid dagger is a better weapon than aotd 1- price tag, the aotd costs 1m and the dragon fuse glove costs 9m (so 10m) and with ultimate wise 5 (2.2m) as ultimate wise 5 is needed for both mages and beserkers to use it as it is a good ability if you used all of this money to invest into livid dagger (6m) with maybe a soul eater 3 (6m) you would deal so much more damage in f4 2- attack speed is really good for f4 and f6 with the amount of mobs near you as it could heals you really fast when using beserker 3- crit chance as it could be quite hard to get for low cata levels 4- damage output, as you were using silky power stone that gives a lot crit damage however thats good for aotd (which has a good strength but lacks the crit damage, compared to livid dagger (if you weren't using one for all) you could get a lot of crit damage if you were using spicy reforge and have critical 5 so using a power stone like bloody seems more fair, however when using silky and spicy reforge is actually where livid dagger shines with full shadow assasin perk as it could easily gets you to balance between strength and crit damage before the boss fight overall i see livid dagger is better and can be much better in specifc scenarios while only downside it has is the requirements
@@LetsArctix gilded midas is still better than most options apart from the giant sword, because gilded gives extra stats to gold weapons, but paired with a gdrag the midas can outdamage a giant's sword
Would have liked to see ofa giant sword tested, and mabye some testing on your main profile with better stats to see how it affected the damage. Great video though, keep up the good work!
I never use OFA since life steal/syphon is far too good to ignore, and there are other enchants that are also handy for most players. As for main profile testing, I did summarise my results without showing any footage since the video was already really long, but if that weren't the case, I would've definitely covered them in more depth
One For All mostly isn't or is never very worth it because all it does gives you more damage, which in some cases is very good. However, you miss out on Life Steal and Syphon which are just necessary healing for dungeons if you're berserk. Also, at some point, Hypermaxing a weapon can be WAY better than just smacking One For All onto a weapon.
I’m trying to go tank in dungeons, and I have a shadow fury. I’m thinking of slapping one for all on shadow fury for the damage, and getting a soul whip because I’ve heard it’s very good with syphon
yeah my livid dagger was doing more damage than the giant sword but when i enchanted it with one for all and manage crit dmg and strength balance I'm doing 3x dmg!
i typically use bouquet because the clearing is just really fucking satisfying the hp isn't really an issue since syphon exists, and as long as you aren't relying on it all the damn time you should be good also wand of atonement exists, that's nice too i don't recommend using it in floors that you had recently unlocked though if you have an especially tanky setup (frozen blaze is the best example) then you can just blast through enemies in f7
BUT THE 1M PRICE TAG! (Proceeds to ignore dragon fuse glove and doesn’t even change it something like glowstone gauntlet and openly admits that aotd is favoured because dragon fuse glove)
Honestly, the Bouquet of Lies and Felthorn reaver better than all the other weapons on the list because they do good damage and they have their own gimics for DPS, while the other weapons really don't. For example, Shadow Fury really doesn't have a gimic and Felthorn does as well as a Bouquet of Lies, It is not worth getting Shadow Fury just for single hit damage when you can get better dps with Bouquet of lies and Felthorn reaver
I disagree with all of this For starters, the Shadow Fury definitely has a gimmick and that's the speed. The speed alone is extremely useful with middle of the range stats, because it allows you to spec fully for damage and not have to put tuning points/wear maxor's boots to gain that extra speed. This helps you further boost your dmg even higher, and that's veryyyy useful for any dungeon gameplay The BoL is definitely a close contender though. It has range which is a massive plus and you can output crazy damage with it, even if it's not as good as the Shadow Fury's. That being said, it's also very risky to use due to each ability using 10% of your health, and if you're not careful, you can die to random mobs substantially easier and requires a bit of a more reserved playstyle. There are ways to counteract the 10% health reductions, but it's more stuff to think about which personally, it gets really annoying really fast As for the Felthorn, I really wish I could defend it because I genuinely love the weapon and weapon concept, but it just kinda sucks. It's weaker than the Shadow Fury and it's right click ability isn't that great either. I believe it actually blocks left click attacks which is kind of stupid, since this ruins your dps if you use it to burst down mini bosses/bosses, and the +1 swing range doesn't really make that much of a difference compared to the speed that the Shadow Fury provides. What you're able to reach with the Felthorn you're able to run up to using a Shadow Fury, so it's really not as good as you likely think
The gilded Midas sword is the same price as shadow fury and has 360 damage, 210 strength and 400 intel making it slightly better than shadow fury and giants sword for lcm, even on maxed profiles. The golden dragon also adds another 100 strength, making it second only to dark claymore, so it can serve you all the way into endgame. For 50m Also, warped aspect of the end only costs 5m and has 265 damage, 265 strength and 150 intel making it op for early melee. If you spend an extra 5m, you can make it an aotv and use an epic enderman, and strong dragon giving it 360 damage (410 for 5s every time you tp) 265 (365 including strong dragon) strength and 150 intel making it also better than shadow fury, and even better stats than Midas (although you are locked into strong dragon).
I have a very awkward situation because I had livid dagger and got cata 19 for f6 for Flower of Truth, because I had used it before the nerf and it felt very capable, but was quite underwhelmed and went back to livid dagger with f6 completion. When I saw this, I had an f6 completion and about 30 f5 completions(I dont do dungeons a lot), and I decided to upgrade to BOL, which was an amazing purchase, the BOL is a phenomenal weapon, and it's my main clearing weapon. After that, I went back to grinding f5 and dropped a shadow fury on run 38. I have the interesting position of owning BOL, Shadow Fury, and Livid Dagger, and imo the bouquet is just the better clearing weapon(I was and still kind of am a pvp main so I am used to managing health, so that was not an issue). Sure the Shadow Fury has better damage, but the BOL can kill like 7 or 8 enemies with one right click. This is not bias because of price, because I got Shadow Fury for 15m from chest, so I paid about the same for both. I would recommend, if you have the budget or already own a Shadow Fury, upgrade to BOL for clear, it is so much better. I have also been having the issue of clicking on secrets with shadow fury, but it uses ability so I don't get the secret.
i think the mid game weapons depend on how you played skyblock before the choice of getting them. if you didnt grind coins just skills so ur broke then its defo the bouquet but if youre richer than that its the shadow furry as the speed is useful
I guess the meta before for bers mid game was livid dagger + fot. Now we got its big brother. I would like to point out a few things tho. 1. For the aotd, livid dagger, and bone reaver I noticed that you tested it all on the same kind of miniboss (l.a.), But not for the rest of them (l.a. and s.a.) 2. If you were to use bol, u should left and right click at the same time in order to do maximum dps. 3. Gs isn't really good without high strength and high crit damage, so its probably not the best to be using superior. 4. all of the mini's have different hp, so its probably best to do a damage test on how fast it could get a mini to "X" amount of hp. Sorry if I sound like a nerd, but these are just little nitpicks, but they could affect the output of dps buy a lot.
You're partially correct for DPS tests, but let me give you my own nerd explanations for things. - I made sure every mini boss was within the same HP ranges (I believe every single one had 3.2M hp). I'm unsure if defense values change between the types of minis (holy LA vs unstable vs superior), and if it does, my next bullet point covers this - Trying to get a yellow room with NO blessings AND with the same HP as every other test is already a complete headache (takes around an hour on average), so trying to get the exact same mini every time is just not happening. I wish there was an easier way, but it's the best I can do - I did LCM + RCM for BoL for clearing, though in DPS, I specifically avoided it just to see what the raw LCM damage was like, since I didn't use other abilities (Giant's slam, felthorn swipes, etc). This is just to keep things fair and consistent, since RCM abilities add more variables to consider, and I don't want to overcomplicate things - Armour choice falls into the same category as what power stone I used & my overall profile stats. It's just more reason to show that the Giants Sword is pretty expensive for it's value, since even a simple armour change or power stone change can make other weapons out damage it. To further elaborate on that final point, this is why I always recommend to pick a weapon based off personal preference and general feel, not the literal damage differences. Damage differences are important only as a general guide, but you should be considering cost, requirements and general versatility significantly more. Someone might choose to go for the shadow fury over the felthorn because they like the speed, while another player might prefer the felthorn's right click ability, or the BoL's unreal clear potential. You raise great points though. I do my best to account for everything as much as I can, but ultimately, you can only do so much to get "perfect, accurate testing"
@@ModernSoldier 1. All of the LA's have the same stats (except superior has higher hp and dps), but SA's have more health than most of (if not all) other LA's, but SA's have slightly less defense. 2. Yeah, it would be an absolute pain to do that. 3. Fair, but giant's slam wont really do much anyway and felthorns swipes I think BLOCK the left clicks somehow, and SF's is not good for mini's unless you are trying to be as fast as possible, which leaves only BOLs right click to be good, just a thought tho. 4. That's fair. I'll probably do a damage test and dps test later between sf and bol since they seem to be the best out of all of these weapons, with 2/4 necron maxor boots and ghead in f7-m3. Not that your tests are bad, I just want to see it in higher floors 🙃. Btw I'll be using lion pet, ancient reforge on armor, fabled on the SF (I got it for cheap), and withered on the bol, and everything is 5 starred and all of them have jasper gemstones (including armor), and cata 39. And bol and sf has the same enchants besides some random enchants that don't affect damage at all, and bol has soul eater and SF has combo (I'm too lazy to change either of them, nor do I have the money to).
Well SF did surprised me with its outstanding performance but it could depend on the power they are using, so GS might be significantly better in some other cases.
Not to mention that imo the furfsky shadow fury texture is my favorite static (non-animated) texture in the game And then they obliterated it in the recent full bloom patch 😭
Im just looking at the dps for the giant sword shadow fury etc and the bouquet of lies and the felthorn you attacked a sa and a unstable lost adventured which had 600-700k more health than the lost adventurer you tested the giant sword and shadow fury on so by that logic is the dps of yhe bouquet and felthorn not higher?
I feel like for a mid game player getting money, your skills, collections, reputation, and magic power up are some really important things that helped me at that stage of the game and the giants sword can get you into ghost grinding and other things outside of dungeons so testing the weapons only inside of dungeons isn’t entirely fair. I would include the benefits of the weapons being more versatile for different things to do in the game because dungeons isn’t the only valuable thing
For a mid game player you shouldn’t really be doing only dungeons and when you upgrade your weapon you don’t want to be only upgrading it for dungeons just some thing off the top of my head that you could get into are Slayers Crimson Isle Meseum Collections Skills Minions HOTM Garden Although some of these things are unrelated to needing a weapon it would be important to invest some of the money you would be spending in a sword into something like a good drill or hoe I don’t think that dungeons is something to strongly just grind for hours on end until you have some of those things up. I could see how it would be useful to go for that tho but it would be more time effiecient to go for other things
I realize that incorporating the perks of the different weapons into your testing would complicate things further, but I personally really like the double damage when hitting behind with the Livid Dagger, and the extra hit speed on it too. I realize that these are provided on your own time, for free, (and are time consuming) so I wouldn't ask you to do all of the testing for all of the poor/lazy skyblock players who can't/won't do their own, but perhaps a better way to frame the weapons would be to do several tests with different Thaumaturgist perks, using the weapon's gimmicks, and to just list whichever test did the best for each weapon (along with what was used or was different between weapons).
All of this is extremely fair, and I appreciate you actually realising that it is almost impossible to actually factor all of this stuff in, for a variety of reasons. That being said, I am MORE than happy to gather extra tests and footage on my own accord, in fact, I actually do it quite a lot but I just don't record it. I did test with multiple accessory bags, multiple profiles and even multiple accounts (I have two cata 50 accounts that I can use, one which I got some numbers on as well). If you're ever interested in seeing more, I'm only a few messages away on Discord and I'll see what I can do In regards to the Livid's Backstab, it's cool, but I've done soooo many tests with the Livid and I can very confidently say that it's super gimmicky and it doesn't actually outperform anything because of it. Even if you go for backstabs and get a few hits in doing DPS, usually the mobs you fight die too fast for the backstabs to make a big enough difference, or you don't really hit any to begin with. The already low base damage of the Livid Dagger is its biggest downfall, so trying to buff it with occasional backstabs/the 50% bonus attack speed really only makes it comparable to other options like the AOTD.
Ur wrong with the giant sword, the dmg increase is much higher than 0.0sth its diff over 55mil a hit against the shadow fury i tested it with my lcm setup. But still a nice video.
I think part of the reason that the GS seemed so weak compared to SF for the price difference is because of how balanced your stats were. Considering you didn’t change your power between the different weapon tests neither one was optimized for damage based on their specific base stats. Obviously even if your stats were completely optimized the GS would still be a bit underwhelming but it wouldn’t be as weak as it seems here.
And this is why I stressed in the video that it's important to keep my profile stats in mind. Damage numbers will vary across different profiles for a variety of reasons, but the general idea of how good a weapon is will stay mostly constant. For the "better weapons", it really comes down to personal preference, though I do believe that you can't justify the 160M coin price tag of the Giant's Sword because even when fully optimised, it's just not 100M coins better than a SF/Felthorn
@@ModernSoldier I completely agree, I don’t think the Giant Sword is worth it for the price compared to other weapons. I was mainly just saying if optimized right it might not be as bad as it seems in some of these tests, still not worth it for most players tho unless they have a bunch of money to spend on weapon upgrades and can’t get a claymore yet.
@@katiepatterson3160 My biggest concerns with melee rn is that the Claymore is so unreasonably hard to get. The M7 completion is stupid, especially for ironman players, and it doesn't fit into progression properly at all. Going from a SF/GS --> Claymore doesn't make sense since you'd be getting these at F5/F6. Either a new weapon needs to get introduced into mid game master mode, or the claymore's requirements need to drop
@@ModernSoldier yeah, I was taking a break from the game when the dungeon update first released so when I came back I assumed that all the new weapons (Felthron Reaper, BOL, etc.) were master mode exclusives like the claymore. I think if they did something like that by buffing those items and making them a midpoint between GS and claymore it would probably help with the huge jump in progression a bit.
@@katiepatterson3160 Most definitely. But oh well, it's up to hypixel to continue to balance the classes if they want to, and it doesn't seem like they have any plans of doing that anytime soon
I mean, for me, after using all of them (as a mid game player myself) the shadow fury is definitely significantly better because of the speed. HOWEVER, i just love the clear speed and satisfying ability of the bouquet of lies. The felthorn reaper (at time of posting this comment) is slightly cheaper than the shadow fury, and is similar in damage to the shadow fury. Overall, i pick the bouquet of lies, and if you want you could dual wield with a shadow fury for the speed. Felthorn reaper isnt bad...it isnt good, but the shadow fury is just better so dual wield with the other 2
@@based854 the changes were intended for everything but sadly the update was and is hella buggy. bers can barely hit dragons in m7. i mean even mages get a higher lcm range in boss so why cant bers get that? also all melee bers damage to dragons in m7 is ghost damage. sadly the admins don't really care about fixing that
This test could be more accurate to reality if you had optimized your setup with the power stones most suited for each weapon, instead of using the same power stone for all weapons. I say this despite knowing you said to take raw hit damage test with a grain of salt. You, also, could have used gauntlet of contagion and implosion belt for all weapons besides the AOTD, since they have a huge clearing potential (which very much compensates for the downside of them not being dungeonizable items). You could also have used the soulweaver gloves, although these require f6 completion (i prefer the clearing potential of the gauntlet of contagion tbh). Other than that, keep up the good content and look forward to see more guides.
Ye, the GS doesn't have any STR or CD (like he said in the video) but with the silky it it only gives CD when to do good dmg u want equal STR and CD so that favoured the BOL and the giants sword would have been much better if it had equal STR and CD
There a bingo goal to break 250k wood with your fist. It might be a hint to tell that the foraging update might come soon like right after bingo event end or maybe this spring.
If I had a penny for every time I dropped a Dae axe on Jerry's island and warped to my island accidently I would have 2 penny's but it's weird that it happened twice
I think the problem here is that you aren't using the best setup for each weapon, because if you are going to buy and use a weapon, you're gonna change you setup to fit best with that weapon
The shadow fury is crazy I remember when the update was on alpha and I dealt 500 k damage with full very wise drag armour, and the shadow fury had no stars and wasn’t reforged also I was only cata 15
As an Ironman player, should I continue to friend towards gs or should I focus on shadow fury? The speed it gives, as you mentioned, is very necessary but the damage of the gs outside of dungeons is good too
This was literally me. I was once a bit of a 'Shadow Fury hater' because it was genuinely a garbage weapon a few months ago, but these tests really changed my perspectives a lot, not just on the Shadow Fury but the Giant's Sword too. Initially I quite liked the Felthorn because the abilities seemed really appealing, but after playing around with these weapons more, I've just not been able to justify the Felthorn Reaper's gimmicks at all, since they don't seem to outperform the SF in anyway and the SF very clearly outdamages in all areas
@@ModernSoldier I totally agree, i had once gotten my hand on a shadow fury a while ago and was disappointed for the price. But even though the level I maxed it to now is really overkill I’m rly impressed and it allowed me to get other upgrades instead of the 200m on a Gs. And I always here people saying the felthorn abilities are so great but personally there decent at most but nothing great and like u said the speed out weighs. Overall this video has saved me so much even months after it came out 😂
@@ModernSoldier Ye, thanks for the amazing video but the Shadow Fury is sooo expensive compared to the felthorn now. A max ench SF goes for around 57m now but a max ench, 5 star, recombed, swarm 5, withered felthorn goes for 46m
aotd was insanely good mostly because you paired it with superior and dragonfuse, not a fair comparison with the armor of choice. that doesnt deny the fact that it is a great combo for its price
I use gs instead of shadow fury, the extra swing range makes it so I can look down while running with berserkers insane speed and i also do wayy more ofa is already good with sf but with gs i do so much damage. But once you can upgrade to giant’s sword
İ think for mages the necromancer sword is really good first of all it has a good damage I don't know the exact damage but I think it does really well but that's not the case the reason I like necromancer sword is it's ability and the defense it gives you that is the strongest part like if you're about to die just use it's ability and run the mobs will target your summoned souls while having extra defense it might not be good for clearing but it's a really great mage sword and if you're thinking about using it I think you can craft of buy a maxed necromancer sword for like 30-40 million coins
i tested the fel thorn reaper the gs the sf and the livid dagger and for one hit damage the fel sword out damages all of them at max kills with ofa which is sad
This was a great video and was very helpful but my only question is thta dosent the superior armor buff the AOTD without it i dont think it would be that strong
I know that aotd does more single hit damage but i still think that a livid dagger is better because the dps is way better and it do 2x damage on back hits
Shoutout to my editor for having a hard time spelling "Bouquet of Lies" and writing "Bonquet of lie" instead. See how many of the spelling errors you can spot in the video
It’s fineee
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I love ur vids ModernSoldier
we still love the editor
I use a reaper scythe could you see if it has any use in bers proggresion as Im doing solid dmg with it and want to know if it's worth it to switch to a sf (ik sf is better but it is more expensive and im not sure how much better it is)
Bro at 28:20 u should hv jumped after seeing giant's sword
youre actually one of the only people that actually help me out, cus rn me and my coop are stuck in mid game with blaze, sa, and crimson sets not knowing how to prog or what to buy. thank you!!
Happy that you DID NOT use any One for All enchants or Soul eater or anything like that. This test, or "experiment" you could call it was very accurate and overall very well done. I'm very surprised that at some point in progression when you don't have very high skills or anything, the Shadow Fury is a very comparable weapon against the Giant's Sword. Also, love the editing so far.
Appreciate it bro, I try my best to minimise inaccuracies :)
I was also really surprised with the Shadow Fury's performance and it still feels wrong to recommend it, especially since I've been known as the guy that tells you not to buy one... Regardless, the facts don't lie, and it's cool to see what the current state of these weapons looks like at this point in time
@@ModernSoldier No problem! Continue the hard work as always.
OfA is surprisingly cheap, I am at the point of the game this guy was testing in the vid and I can easily buy it.
Love your vids as they are always fair comparison for weapons whenever you make these videos and I can see how much your vids have progressed your channel is awesome
I always knew the shadow fury was better than giant sword. Honestly, the admins have to buff the giant sword, like a passive buff ability or even more swing range, if they buff it, they have to buff dark claymore too. They could also make the giant sword easier to get to make it cheaper.
If I had a penny for everytime I lost something just to realize that Im holding it I would have enough money to buy my phone that I lost...
That you holding lmao
thats the joke@@AIGuides-101
This is a good one😂
@@patrikprof6295 thx just thought of it randomly
@@befil3621 ye I got that
TLDR: buy aotd -> Shadow fury
I think its recommended if you have life steal V for bouquet of lives since every time you hit a mob you gain 2.5% of health and life steal takes away 10% of your health per ability use and it can hit up to 15 enemies so you regain 37.5% or 1/3 of your max hp
but if you want to use one for all, you need to have a zombie sword for healing or be healer as of my suggestion
Actually syphon is better if your in dungeons
one for all users=🤡
dps is wayyyyy better with enchants+healing
for one shotting mobs, soul eater exists
@@Priyanshu_803 use the itchy power stone and you will have the same dps with wayy more damage
as a cata 36 player with gs and 600 mp, gs does about 10% more dmg than my shadow fury did with the only change being a recomb, out of dungeons, gs is about 20% more dmg
This is really interesting, because at c42 the GS was only ever doing less than 1% more damage (if I remember correctly, it was 43.8M dmg vs 45.2M or so) and at c50 I don't think the GS ever outdmg'd (my friend tested these, I'm not sure how fair the tests were)
Still important to know that these weapons are reaaalllyy similar in damage and that your profile stats make a HUGE difference on which ones will outdamage each other, so in most cases I still think the SF is a better option, solely because it's 1/3 cheaper
Really? I do 540k with SF and only 548k with GS, I have 800 MP. In my opinion SF > GS because of the pricing. Although Felthorn > both because of the ability and reach
@@SomeStuffNLH The damage differences don't really matter here since they're all practically equal, but as you said, "felthorn > both because of ability and reach"
Just go for what you personally prefer more. If you like the ability of the felthorn, that's a valid reason. If you like the SF's speed, also entirely valid :)
Bro use ofa on GS and shadow fury btw no one noticed GS ability during mini boss and clear it have cooldown but in my experience it is a life line suddenly a low health situation by right clicking the area is clear my progress I done like this
1.aotd+drag glove
2.shadow fury
3.giant sword
And it is fact I am using it in my first m7 as Right click mage's side weapon
Giant sword has no power
Untill you don't have magical powers
@@SomeStuffNLHthis is outside of dungeons right? I do like 1.3 with my claymore and like a lot less with fury
I've been using bol in F7 and It actually performs really well overall, Also A tip for using bol is to use It's ability directly on the miniboss surrounded by mobs then spam the left and right mouse buttons Because of soul eater making you deal haha funny big dmg while left clicking the miniboss and the healing berserk gives you when killing mobs, So it basically works like archer but for berserks
W tip
I literally just bought a shadow fury 2 days ago and now I know that I didn't waste my money lmao
same here
2:30 "um actualy, the dark claymore is better for mage if your playing lcm" 🤓
in all seriousness its good 2 see u uploading again ur content is 🔥
All of the four last weopens are usefull in there own regard just choose the one you prefer
Absolutely. They're all so comparable that you should be picking which one you want based off of general feel, since none of them are miles better than each other
in my opinion, felthorn is far better then a shadow fury out of dungeons. Since melee damage per second isnt really needed outside of slayers (but slayer specific weapons almost always preform better), the utility offered by the felthorn is very nice to have, its also cheaper then the shadow fury now…
Entirely fair, but if you want an inside AND outside of dungeons weapon, now you have to weigh up your pros and cons. Do you want more convenient outside utility and mediocre inside performance? Or excellent inside dungeons performance with standard outside utility.
As I always like to say, most of this stuff just comes down to personal preference. I try to present the facts as best as I can and let you guys decide what works best for you :)
just use a claymore
felthorn reaper got done dirty If u look at the stats the shadow fury is MUCH more suited to the silky reforge and would probably have less dmg than the reaper on other stats also the felthorn reapers would have EASILY had the highest dps if the ability was used and could probably compete with the claymore in dps with the ability
What accessory bag reforge should you use with felthorn?
@@cofy4307 you can still use silky and clear even floor 7 fine but if u want to make it better than shadow fury then get forceful, bloody, strong
Felthorn will still do less damage no matter what
Some things to comment on about the felthorn:
With all the bags I tested, it never outperformed even the BoL. I was honestly really surprised at how underwhelming it was, since on release, I found it to be really good.
The ability is really good, I'll give you that, so if that's something you prefer over the speed of the SF, then I'd recommend buying one for that reason. This is more of a personal preference thing since the weapons are quite comparable already, so if the ability is that appealing to you, get it for that reason
It can also be cheaper than the SF, and typically is if you craft it, but the reqs are higher so you will be waiting a little longer to upgrade.
Overall it's fine as a weapon, but I still think that the SF provides better utility with the speed, lower reqs and the slightly higher damage. Ultimately that is my opinion, but the felthorn reaper is still pretty solid
the felthron reaper is 20-35m now and when its fragged its just slightly worse than sf but it has a way higher swing range. but honestly its a good replacement if u dont have the money for a fragged sf since its 50-60m which is double the felthron
Higher swing range is basically equal to higher speed. Both are very great and relaxing clear
@@No1rated_salesman1997 yeah more chill than the juju
What people always seem to forget about weapons like the bouquet of flowers or livid dagger is that you have enchantments and a passive that heal your hp, which make the livid dagger a much better overall weapon due to its attack speed and makes the bouquet of flowers easily the best weapon for clearing if you have even just some maxor’s boots(or shadow assassin armor for the early-mid game stages of the game) equipped and either don’t miss your clicks or have a good healing item
Also, I almost forgot about it but the yeti pet gives you so much ehp with the bouquet of flowers that you can practically just spam it forever without worrying too much about dying to the dungeon mobs
Agreed, with enough healing items like a wand of Atonement and a florid zombie sword, maybe rejuvenate on your armor. You could basically just spam the Bouquet of Lies forever and get insanely fast clears with that weapon. It's especially useful for the terracota's phase in F6. However, Bouquet of Lies isn't very useful for the boss fight or any minibosses as it should just be a secondary weapon.
Counter point to both of your comments here:
- You can heal with any melee weapon thanks to Syphon and Life Steal. This is not exclusive to the Livid, I have no idea why you even brought this up. The AOTD unironically heals you for MORE because it's a stronger weapon
- The bonus attack speed from the Livid is also completely useless. I did DPS tests, the AOTD still out-dps' the Livid by a very small amount, to the point where both weapons are basically the same. You're not gaining any bonus DPS because of the attack speed so this is a completely useless stat to consider. If anything, the bonus attack speed is what makes Livid COMPARABLE to the AOTD, but it's still more expensive, has higher requirements and less 1 shot capability, making it worse in every aspect.
- I never said the BoL wasn't the best clearing weapon, it certainly is but it's quite tricky to use. The argument of "just use a baby yeti" is useless, because it takes away 10% of your health everytime, which is TRUE DAMAGE. This means that even though you have higher defense, you're still going to take the same damage per right click, and you will drain HP quicker.
Yes you can use healing items to counter act this, but it requires more effort and you are much more prone to dying as a result of this. If you're totally okay with counteracting the health you lose then the BoL is a great choice, but it's important to note that that can be a problem. In regards to being able to "spam the Bouquet of Lies forever", no, you can't, I tried this. I had to take breaks after using the ability about 6-8 times in a row before my health got scarily low, because it'd get to the point where if I accidentally walked into a Fel/got hit by a Crypt Lurker's bone, it would insta kill me.
Overall, the Livid is garbage and I don't know why you even mentioned it's attack speed. BoL is great but dangerous, so be careful.
@@ModernSoldierhypermaxed AOTD when
@@ModernSoldier Good point on the AOTD but for BoL healing you can mix up melee attacks and ability to lifesteal and you wouldn't get to the point where your health is scarily low and you can basically clear one dungeon room without spamming that much(unless you can't insta kill and in that case just melee them). If you are not unnecessarily using the ability against high hp mobs and using melee more often you wouldn't die of ability health consumption(and if you still die it's almost always an ehp and regen stat issue so make sure you optimize health stats if you still die).
@@ModernSoldier I see, I've never actually used the BOL before, I was assuming that you could basically spam it depending on your healing items. I ran some tests on my profile, and it turns out it actually takes a huge chunks of your health. Also, the fact that the BOL deals TRUE damage and not normal damage is quite frightening. I just said "you could spam it forever" before even testing it, I really wasn't thinking was I? However, I did say that it should solely be a secondary weapon and it shouldn't be used in boss fights. But you did say that you had to take breaks because if you went ANY further you can get insta killed, so always bring another weapon that doesn't take any of your health, like a SF or something like that.
In conclusion, the BOL isn't for everybody that like to be aggressive and aren't careful. Thank you for letting me know.
damn I never thought of getting the shadow fiury now I know how to get better lcm damage to solo f6
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Also I do want to put out that the aotd for it to be worth it you need a dragon fuse glove and you also need to sacrifice a equipment slot and when putting recombs and fuming on an aotd it is never gonna sell for what you spent on it as with the livid dagger or bone reaver your going to get more money back and end up having an extra equipment slot. That’s all my thoughts so yeah.
principally that it sacrifice you're gauntlet of contagion
The counter argument to the dragonfuse glove argument is that the contagion costs 12M, which is much more than the 7M coins of the glove.
At the same time, the contagion doesn't really buff your damage at all, especially with berserker. I actually tried this stuff side by side out of curiosity and the clearing potential isn't better at all.
When you do upgrade out of the AOTD, you do get this slot back though, and it's likely that THAT'S when you'll want to get the contagion anyways
It feels so nice as an SF user to see it become meta when I've been using it since they were like 15m.
The problem with so many of these types of videos, is the talisman bag. Strength and Crit tuning is incredibly important for damage, and impacts these damage numbers a lot. I get that it’s a consistentcy point, but something that favors certain weapons over others should not be included in a test meant to compare the damage of weapons. Otherwise, good video.
That's why I stress it heavily in these videos. I did test with other reforges off camera and if I'm not mistaken, I believe the SF edged out the other weapons regardless, I just don't remember by how much. At the end of the day, most of these things perform very similarly and you really should only be choosing your pick based off of personal preference.
SF: Speed and overall mobility
Felthorn: Swing range & awesome RCM ability
GS: Swing Range, different RCM ability. I will say that I could never find a way to justify the GS though, I still think this one is too expensive
Regardless, very good points by this comment :)
@@ModernSoldier i think livid dagger is a better weapon than aotd
1- price tag, the aotd costs 1m and the dragon fuse glove costs 9m (so 10m) and with ultimate wise 5 (2.2m) as ultimate wise 5 is needed for both mages and beserkers to use it as it is a good ability
if you used all of this money to invest into livid dagger (6m) with maybe a soul eater 3 (6m) you would deal so much more damage in f4
2- attack speed is really good for f4 and f6 with the amount of mobs near you as it could heals you really fast when using beserker
3- crit chance as it could be quite hard to get for low cata levels
4- damage output, as you were using silky power stone that gives a lot crit damage however thats good for aotd (which has a good strength but lacks the crit damage, compared to livid dagger (if you weren't using one for all) you could get a lot of crit damage if you were using spicy reforge and have critical 5
so using a power stone like bloody seems more fair, however when using silky and spicy reforge is actually where livid dagger shines with full shadow assasin perk as it could easily gets you to balance between strength and crit damage before the boss fight
overall i see livid dagger is better and can be much better in specifc scenarios while only downside it has is the requirements
@@NotTured livid non
@@TOMAALBERT u dont have to be mean hyperion nons like you always have bad personality
on alpha before release, felthorn did more damage than giant's sword, sad that it got absolutely dumpstered on when it got released
Actaully i would have loved seeing the 50mil midas sword.
It might be worse for the berserker class but for lcm it is really powerfull!
Only if you use Midas sword with gdrag for lcm because gdrag buffs golden weapons
@@LetsArctix gilded midas is still better than most options apart from the giant sword, because gilded gives extra stats to gold weapons, but paired with a gdrag the midas can outdamage a giant's sword
@@giblegabite929and decently close to claymore
Would have liked to see ofa giant sword tested, and mabye some testing on your main profile with better stats to see how it affected the damage. Great video though, keep up the good work!
I never use OFA since life steal/syphon is far too good to ignore, and there are other enchants that are also handy for most players. As for main profile testing, I did summarise my results without showing any footage since the video was already really long, but if that weren't the case, I would've definitely covered them in more depth
Pls dont use ofa enchs are always better
One For All mostly isn't or is never very worth it because all it does gives you more damage, which in some cases is very good. However, you miss out on Life Steal and Syphon which are just necessary healing for dungeons if you're berserk. Also, at some point, Hypermaxing a weapon can be WAY better than just smacking One For All onto a weapon.
@@Qqmenisa Yea if u use ofa u loose ur healing and other enchants like se that can deal the same with ur lifesteal and syphon
I’m trying to go tank in dungeons, and I have a shadow fury. I’m thinking of slapping one for all on shadow fury for the damage, and getting a soul whip because I’ve heard it’s very good with syphon
yeah my livid dagger was doing more damage than the giant sword but when i enchanted it with one for all and manage crit dmg and strength balance I'm doing 3x dmg!
Very good video! I was struggling to decide whether to use livid or shadow fury and so thanks for the info!
I love how this video was posted just after I bought a gs
same lol
yeah don't worry tho gs is better
i typically use bouquet because the clearing is just
really fucking satisfying
the hp isn't really an issue since syphon exists, and as long as you aren't relying on it all the damn time you should be good
also wand of atonement exists, that's nice too
i don't recommend using it in floors that you had recently unlocked though
if you have an especially tanky setup (frozen blaze is the best example) then you can just blast through enemies in f7
"And now 1 more crypt just to verify this"
I sound like a broken record don't I 💀💀💀
@@ModernSoldier yoo so happy I responded but yeah lmaooo, enjoyed the vid tho
U*
Looks like my shadow fury was a good purchase
It’s nice to see him meatriding a weapon other than aotd for once lol
BUT THE 1M PRICE TAG! (Proceeds to ignore dragon fuse glove and doesn’t even change it something like glowstone gauntlet and openly admits that aotd is favoured because dragon fuse glove)
@@agrilsunil1 fr bro
Honestly, the Bouquet of Lies and Felthorn reaver better than all the other weapons on the list because they do good damage and they have their own gimics for DPS, while the other weapons really don't. For example, Shadow Fury really doesn't have a gimic and Felthorn does as well as a Bouquet of Lies, It is not worth getting Shadow Fury just for single hit damage when you can get better dps with Bouquet of lies and Felthorn reaver
I disagree with all of this
For starters, the Shadow Fury definitely has a gimmick and that's the speed. The speed alone is extremely useful with middle of the range stats, because it allows you to spec fully for damage and not have to put tuning points/wear maxor's boots to gain that extra speed. This helps you further boost your dmg even higher, and that's veryyyy useful for any dungeon gameplay
The BoL is definitely a close contender though. It has range which is a massive plus and you can output crazy damage with it, even if it's not as good as the Shadow Fury's. That being said, it's also very risky to use due to each ability using 10% of your health, and if you're not careful, you can die to random mobs substantially easier and requires a bit of a more reserved playstyle. There are ways to counteract the 10% health reductions, but it's more stuff to think about which personally, it gets really annoying really fast
As for the Felthorn, I really wish I could defend it because I genuinely love the weapon and weapon concept, but it just kinda sucks. It's weaker than the Shadow Fury and it's right click ability isn't that great either. I believe it actually blocks left click attacks which is kind of stupid, since this ruins your dps if you use it to burst down mini bosses/bosses, and the +1 swing range doesn't really make that much of a difference compared to the speed that the Shadow Fury provides. What you're able to reach with the Felthorn you're able to run up to using a Shadow Fury, so it's really not as good as you likely think
The gilded Midas sword is the same price as shadow fury and has 360 damage, 210 strength and 400 intel making it slightly better than shadow fury and giants sword for lcm, even on maxed profiles.
The golden dragon also adds another 100 strength, making it second only to dark claymore, so it can serve you all the way into endgame.
For 50m
Also, warped aspect of the end only costs 5m and has 265 damage, 265 strength and 150 intel making it op for early melee.
If you spend an extra 5m, you can make it an aotv and use an epic enderman, and strong dragon giving it 360 damage (410 for 5s every time you tp) 265 (365 including strong dragon) strength and 150 intel making it also better than shadow fury, and even better stats than Midas (although you are locked into strong dragon).
Aotv can't be dungeonised tho, they removed warped being dungeonised.
But yeah well spotted. It sucks that people don't test Midas.
I have a very awkward situation because I had livid dagger and got cata 19 for f6 for Flower of Truth, because I had used it before the nerf and it felt very capable, but was quite underwhelmed and went back to livid dagger with f6 completion. When I saw this, I had an f6 completion and about 30 f5 completions(I dont do dungeons a lot), and I decided to upgrade to BOL, which was an amazing purchase, the BOL is a phenomenal weapon, and it's my main clearing weapon. After that, I went back to grinding f5 and dropped a shadow fury on run 38. I have the interesting position of owning BOL, Shadow Fury, and Livid Dagger, and imo the bouquet is just the better clearing weapon(I was and still kind of am a pvp main so I am used to managing health, so that was not an issue). Sure the Shadow Fury has better damage, but the BOL can kill like 7 or 8 enemies with one right click. This is not bias because of price, because I got Shadow Fury for 15m from chest, so I paid about the same for both. I would recommend, if you have the budget or already own a Shadow Fury, upgrade to BOL for clear, it is so much better. I have also been having the issue of clicking on secrets with shadow fury, but it uses ability so I don't get the secret.
SF is way better for mini and boss
i think the mid game weapons depend on how you played skyblock before the choice of getting them. if you didnt grind coins just skills so ur broke then its defo the bouquet but if youre richer than that its the shadow furry as the speed is useful
I guess the meta before for bers mid game was livid dagger + fot.
Now we got its big brother.
I would like to point out a few things tho.
1. For the aotd, livid dagger, and bone reaver I noticed that you tested it all on the same kind of miniboss (l.a.),
But not for the rest of them (l.a. and s.a.)
2. If you were to use bol, u should left and right click at the same time in order to do maximum dps.
3. Gs isn't really good without high strength and high crit damage, so its probably not the best to be using superior.
4. all of the mini's have different hp, so its probably best to do a damage test on how fast it could get a mini to
"X" amount of hp.
Sorry if I sound like a nerd, but these are just little nitpicks, but they could affect the output of dps buy a lot.
You're partially correct for DPS tests, but let me give you my own nerd explanations for things.
- I made sure every mini boss was within the same HP ranges (I believe every single one had 3.2M hp). I'm unsure if defense values change between the types of minis (holy LA vs unstable vs superior), and if it does, my next bullet point covers this
- Trying to get a yellow room with NO blessings AND with the same HP as every other test is already a complete headache (takes around an hour on average), so trying to get the exact same mini every time is just not happening. I wish there was an easier way, but it's the best I can do
- I did LCM + RCM for BoL for clearing, though in DPS, I specifically avoided it just to see what the raw LCM damage was like, since I didn't use other abilities (Giant's slam, felthorn swipes, etc). This is just to keep things fair and consistent, since RCM abilities add more variables to consider, and I don't want to overcomplicate things
- Armour choice falls into the same category as what power stone I used & my overall profile stats. It's just more reason to show that the Giants Sword is pretty expensive for it's value, since even a simple armour change or power stone change can make other weapons out damage it.
To further elaborate on that final point, this is why I always recommend to pick a weapon based off personal preference and general feel, not the literal damage differences. Damage differences are important only as a general guide, but you should be considering cost, requirements and general versatility significantly more. Someone might choose to go for the shadow fury over the felthorn because they like the speed, while another player might prefer the felthorn's right click ability, or the BoL's unreal clear potential.
You raise great points though. I do my best to account for everything as much as I can, but ultimately, you can only do so much to get "perfect, accurate testing"
@@ModernSoldier 1. All of the LA's have the same stats (except superior has higher hp and dps), but SA's have more health than most of (if not all) other LA's, but SA's have slightly less defense.
2. Yeah, it would be an absolute pain to do that.
3. Fair, but giant's slam wont really do much anyway and felthorns swipes I think BLOCK the left clicks somehow, and SF's is
not good for mini's unless you are trying to be as fast as possible, which leaves only BOLs right click to be good,
just a thought tho.
4. That's fair.
I'll probably do a damage test and dps test later between sf and bol since they seem to be the best out of all of these weapons, with 2/4 necron maxor boots and ghead in f7-m3. Not that your tests are bad, I just want to see it in higher floors 🙃. Btw I'll be using lion pet, ancient reforge on armor, fabled on the SF (I got it for cheap), and withered on the bol, and everything is 5 starred and all of them have jasper gemstones (including armor), and cata 39. And bol and sf has the same enchants besides some random enchants that don't affect damage at all, and bol has soul eater and SF has combo (I'm too lazy to change either of them, nor do I have the money to).
the superior dragon armor also buffs the aspect of the dragons soo this wasnt that fair of a fight
It says it buffs the AOTD’s ABILITY and not the stats on it. He covered that up in another one of his AOTD vids.
Well SF did surprised me with its outstanding performance but it could depend on the power they are using, so GS might be significantly better in some other cases.
Why does youtube say 2915 clicks and 17k likes? How
Not to mention that imo the furfsky shadow fury texture is my favorite static (non-animated) texture in the game
And then they obliterated it in the recent full bloom patch 😭
Shadow furry sword prices gonna go boom after this video
LMAOOOO SHADOW FURRY
@@BigBoyCarp bro you are late
Im just looking at the dps for the giant sword shadow fury etc and the bouquet of lies and the felthorn you attacked a sa and a unstable lost adventured which had 600-700k more health than the lost adventurer you tested the giant sword and shadow fury on so by that logic is the dps of yhe bouquet and felthorn not higher?
I feel like for a mid game player getting money, your skills, collections, reputation, and magic power up are some really important things that helped me at that stage of the game and the giants sword can get you into ghost grinding and other things outside of dungeons so testing the weapons only inside of dungeons isn’t entirely fair. I would include the benefits of the weapons being more versatile for different things to do in the game because dungeons isn’t the only valuable thing
For a mid game player you shouldn’t really be doing only dungeons and when you upgrade your weapon you don’t want to be only upgrading it for dungeons just some thing off the top of my head that you could get into are
Slayers
Crimson Isle
Meseum
Collections
Skills
Minions
HOTM
Garden
Although some of these things are unrelated to needing a weapon it would be important to invest some of the money you would be spending in a sword into something like a good drill or hoe I don’t think that dungeons is something to strongly just grind for hours on end until you have some of those things up. I could see how it would be useful to go for that tho but it would be more time effiecient to go for other things
@@Monaco_Akuma getting into wolf slayer, can farm like 20 bosses an hour. But then again who would I be without mentioning MONEY!
Hello, are you implying that Giant's Sword is worth due to the versatility outside of dungeons as well?@@Monaco_Akuma
me who just sold my shadow fury and bought a giants sword 👁 👄👁
bro I lost 3 shadow furies before the update 💀
How tf is that even possible
@@Prettykooltbh by having the q button pressed and ye
Bonquet of lie FTW
I was here before the title changed
I realize that incorporating the perks of the different weapons into your testing would complicate things further, but I personally really like the double damage when hitting behind with the Livid Dagger, and the extra hit speed on it too.
I realize that these are provided on your own time, for free, (and are time consuming) so I wouldn't ask you to do all of the testing for all of the poor/lazy skyblock players who can't/won't do their own, but perhaps a better way to frame the weapons would be to do several tests with different Thaumaturgist perks, using the weapon's gimmicks, and to just list whichever test did the best for each weapon (along with what was used or was different between weapons).
All of this is extremely fair, and I appreciate you actually realising that it is almost impossible to actually factor all of this stuff in, for a variety of reasons.
That being said, I am MORE than happy to gather extra tests and footage on my own accord, in fact, I actually do it quite a lot but I just don't record it. I did test with multiple accessory bags, multiple profiles and even multiple accounts (I have two cata 50 accounts that I can use, one which I got some numbers on as well). If you're ever interested in seeing more, I'm only a few messages away on Discord and I'll see what I can do
In regards to the Livid's Backstab, it's cool, but I've done soooo many tests with the Livid and I can very confidently say that it's super gimmicky and it doesn't actually outperform anything because of it. Even if you go for backstabs and get a few hits in doing DPS, usually the mobs you fight die too fast for the backstabs to make a big enough difference, or you don't really hit any to begin with. The already low base damage of the Livid Dagger is its biggest downfall, so trying to buff it with occasional backstabs/the 50% bonus attack speed really only makes it comparable to other options like the AOTD.
Ur wrong with the giant sword, the dmg increase is much higher than 0.0sth its diff over 55mil a hit against the shadow fury i tested it with my lcm setup. But still a nice video.
I think part of the reason that the GS seemed so weak compared to SF for the price difference is because of how balanced your stats were. Considering you didn’t change your power between the different weapon tests neither one was optimized for damage based on their specific base stats. Obviously even if your stats were completely optimized the GS would still be a bit underwhelming but it wouldn’t be as weak as it seems here.
And this is why I stressed in the video that it's important to keep my profile stats in mind. Damage numbers will vary across different profiles for a variety of reasons, but the general idea of how good a weapon is will stay mostly constant. For the "better weapons", it really comes down to personal preference, though I do believe that you can't justify the 160M coin price tag of the Giant's Sword because even when fully optimised, it's just not 100M coins better than a SF/Felthorn
@@ModernSoldier I completely agree, I don’t think the Giant Sword is worth it for the price compared to other weapons. I was mainly just saying if optimized right it might not be as bad as it seems in some of these tests, still not worth it for most players tho unless they have a bunch of money to spend on weapon upgrades and can’t get a claymore yet.
@@katiepatterson3160 My biggest concerns with melee rn is that the Claymore is so unreasonably hard to get. The M7 completion is stupid, especially for ironman players, and it doesn't fit into progression properly at all.
Going from a SF/GS --> Claymore doesn't make sense since you'd be getting these at F5/F6. Either a new weapon needs to get introduced into mid game master mode, or the claymore's requirements need to drop
@@ModernSoldier yeah, I was taking a break from the game when the dungeon update first released so when I came back I assumed that all the new weapons (Felthron Reaper, BOL, etc.) were master mode exclusives like the claymore. I think if they did something like that by buffing those items and making them a midpoint between GS and claymore it would probably help with the huge jump in progression a bit.
@@katiepatterson3160 Most definitely. But oh well, it's up to hypixel to continue to balance the classes if they want to, and it doesn't seem like they have any plans of doing that anytime soon
How can i make skyblock look loke this?? Is it a special pack or something?
furfsky reborn texture pack/overlay i believe
19:35 he used the bouquet of lies on a shadow assassin instead of the lost adventurer.
As A Person Using An Aotd I Can Say I Will Upgrade To Shadow Furry (Can't Wait For 2039 When I Actually Get The Money For It Lol)
Really needed this video. Did not know if i should upgrade to GS or stay with my SF. Thanks
I also didnt know if i should go from my hyperion to a shadow fury so im glad we know fs is the best now i can give away my useless old sword
Invest that 100m into A.H. Flipping.
You should have used bloody power to make it more fair.
If I'm being honest though, it was a great comparison.
My friend spent 50 bucks on the giant sword and had 0 talismen
This video bouta increase the bouquet of lies price
I mean, for me, after using all of them (as a mid game player myself) the shadow fury is definitely significantly better because of the speed. HOWEVER, i just love the clear speed and satisfying ability of the bouquet of lies. The felthorn reaper (at time of posting this comment) is slightly cheaper than the shadow fury, and is similar in damage to the shadow fury. Overall, i pick the bouquet of lies, and if you want you could dual wield with a shadow fury for the speed. Felthorn reaper isnt bad...it isnt good, but the shadow fury is just better so dual wield with the other 2
m7 before bers changes: everyone term and mage claymore
m7 after bers changes: everyone term and mage claymore
@@based854 the changes were intended for everything but sadly the update was and is hella buggy. bers can barely hit dragons in m7. i mean even mages get a higher lcm range in boss so why cant bers get that? also all melee bers damage to dragons in m7 is ghost damage. sadly the admins don't really care about fixing that
Why no streams?
This test could be more accurate to reality if you had optimized your setup with the power stones most suited for each weapon, instead of using the same power stone for all weapons. I say this despite knowing you said to take raw hit damage test with a grain of salt. You, also, could have used gauntlet of contagion and implosion belt for all weapons besides the AOTD, since they have a huge clearing potential (which very much compensates for the downside of them not being dungeonizable items). You could also have used the soulweaver gloves, although these require f6 completion (i prefer the clearing potential of the gauntlet of contagion tbh). Other than that, keep up the good content and look forward to see more guides.
Ye, the GS doesn't have any STR or CD (like he said in the video) but with the silky it it only gives CD when to do good dmg u want equal STR and CD so that favoured the BOL and the giants sword would have been much better if it had equal STR and CD
I already knew this I mean 40 free speed, 135 str and 150 DAMAGE!? IT'S JUST ATOMSPLIT BUT BETTER!
Man i LOVE these kind of videos
I dropped a shadow fury from a chest 2 years ago and I was questioned by many, Look who is laughing now!
There a bingo goal to break 250k wood with your fist. It might be a hint to tell that the foraging update might come soon like right after bingo event end or maybe this spring.
What should I do if I made the mistake of getting a livid dagger
Nothing is a good weapon you can only stay with it and upgrade it or just farm 2 million coin then sell it and then buy what you want
bro livid dag is good, it's low price, high dps because of atk speed, I would just save like 40m then sell it and buy sf
Withered shadow fury will be great for ancient assasin set? I use bloody skill
All of the 'new' melee changes
I could of sworn it was months ago
If I had a penny for every time I dropped a Dae axe on Jerry's island and warped to my island accidently I would have 2 penny's but it's weird that it happened twice
Pennies
I think the problem here is that you aren't using the best setup for each weapon, because if you are going to buy and use a weapon, you're gonna change you setup to fit best with that weapon
I've found the super/hyper cleavers to also be very good for f1-4 (especially on ironman where better weapons are hard to get)
now do one with all of these where you specialise the power stones with the weapon
you forgot to mention that the superior armor also buffs the aotd
One thing is there is a lot of things that buff damage to hp using abilities.
The shadow fury is crazy I remember when the update was on alpha and I dealt 500 k damage with full very wise drag armour, and the shadow fury had no stars and wasn’t reforged also I was only cata 15
am i the only when that deals 1-3m dmg with livid dagger on cata lvl 22 and lvl 66 normal
As an Ironman player, should I continue to friend towards gs or should I focus on shadow fury? The speed it gives, as you mentioned, is very necessary but the damage of the gs outside of dungeons is good too
u tune speed since melee bers dont need cc (you should have 400 with maxor boots etc)
You should do one for all with gs in lcm as a mage
currently sat in hub69 i believe watching soldier mug off this bummy level 260 about aotds
pablo and david are on smoke they mad afff
I love the vid, was planning on buying a felthorn but honestly gonna go for a SF now
This was literally me. I was once a bit of a 'Shadow Fury hater' because it was genuinely a garbage weapon a few months ago, but these tests really changed my perspectives a lot, not just on the Shadow Fury but the Giant's Sword too. Initially I quite liked the Felthorn because the abilities seemed really appealing, but after playing around with these weapons more, I've just not been able to justify the Felthorn Reaper's gimmicks at all, since they don't seem to outperform the SF in anyway and the SF very clearly outdamages in all areas
@@ModernSoldier I totally agree, i had once gotten my hand on a shadow fury a while ago and was disappointed for the price. But even though the level I maxed it to now is really overkill I’m rly impressed and it allowed me to get other upgrades instead of the 200m on a Gs. And I always here people saying the felthorn abilities are so great but personally there decent at most but nothing great and like u said the speed out weighs. Overall this video has saved me so much even months after it came out 😂
@@ModernSoldier Ye, thanks for the amazing video but the Shadow Fury is sooo expensive compared to the felthorn now. A max ench SF goes for around 57m now but a max ench, 5 star, recombed, swarm 5, withered felthorn goes for 46m
i just came back to skyblock after 2 years and i was running livid and fot i guess its time to switch to sf and bol
"early to mid game player" with mining 60
ahh yes, the very important skill for damage, mining
livid dagger is good for the 100 cc that gives you more options in terms of tuning points.
No it isnt. 100 cc is easy to get with any weapon other then term even without tunings
Good thing I dropped one like 20 runs in
aotd was insanely good mostly because you paired it with superior and dragonfuse, not a fair comparison with the armor of choice. that doesnt deny the fact that it is a great combo for its price
did anyone notice the young drag user wearing their head backwards at 2:37?
if 160 and 60 extra strength and crit dmg is worth more than 190 base dmg for you, then your stats really are pitiful
I use gs instead of shadow fury, the extra swing range makes it so I can look down while running with berserkers insane speed and i also do wayy more ofa is already good with sf but with gs i do so much damage. But once you can upgrade to giant’s sword
Bro went from saying AOTD is the best midgame sword to shadow fury thats mad
guys i want to buy a bers weapen does the 1.5 swing range actually usefull (felthorn reaper)or do i get the shadow fury?
it's very useful I get almost 8 or 9 blocks swing range with it but more on ur cata level,shadow furry might be better
Isn't the giant's sword supposed to be used with one for all?
No one for all is horrible
@@joshuashin9322 like it is for most weapons but it pairs well with the giants sword
My progression was mage: bers with livid: and then giants lmao
Felthorn Reaper users=walking L's
You = living L
İ think for mages the necromancer sword is really good first of all it has a good damage I don't know the exact damage but I think it does really well but that's not the case the reason I like necromancer sword is it's ability and the defense it gives you that is the strongest part like if you're about to die just use it's ability and run the mobs will target your summoned souls while having extra defense it might not be good for clearing but it's a really great mage sword and if you're thinking about using it I think you can craft of buy a maxed necromancer sword for like 30-40 million coins
Thats WAY too much for a sword with that low dmg and that sword is only good for slayers bcuz in dung there is 100s of mob in every direction.
i tested the fel thorn reaper the gs the sf and the livid dagger and for one hit damage the fel sword out damages all of them at max kills with ofa which is sad
This was a great video and was very helpful but my only question is thta dosent the superior armor buff the AOTD without it i dont think it would be that strong
It only boost the right click lmao
Midas spoon 💀
I know that aotd does more single hit damage but i still think that a livid dagger is better because the dps is way better and it do 2x damage on back hits
Isnt this guy said On his melee quide video he said e drag and dragon fuse glove
I just find the swing range of fragged felthorn reaper funny with bers class and i got mine for considerably lower then market price from my friend
i feel better using the giant's sword its not about damage for me tbh just follow your prefernces and budjet
no way upload omg!!
how you doing 100x more dmg than me with the same gear