MSN Premium Is Still a Thing in 2021 - Is It a Ripoff?

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  • @TokyoXtreme
    @TokyoXtreme 3 роки тому +1466

    I realized that I have been unknowingly paying for MSN for years! Fortunately for me, when I mentioned this fact to Microsoft tech support, they offered to refund me completely - only they accidentally sent me $5000 instead of the $500 I was supposed to get! Seems it was actually my fault though, because I typed in an extra 0 on accident. It’s OK though; nobody lost their job, but I did have to run down to Walmart and buy a bunch of Google Play gift cards and read the numbers to the Microsoft rep over the phone.

  • @Kifter1983
    @Kifter1983 3 роки тому +2649

    There's a great sitcom here, talented young dev with stars in their eyes joins innovation giant Microsoft and is promptly assigned to the MSN Premium dev team....

    • @trueneutral3092
      @trueneutral3092 3 роки тому +322

      funny that this has to be someone's real life. someone is maintaining it. a dead-end job in a not so dead end field.

    • @stevem4391
      @stevem4391 3 роки тому +97

      I kept thinking of the poor devs that are doomed to toil away on this project.

    • @trueneutral3092
      @trueneutral3092 3 роки тому +71

      @@stevem4391 they'll move up, but only after pledging allegiance to the woke mob.

    • @xxx_ray
      @xxx_ray 3 роки тому +89

      Hopefully it’s just their legacy employees who aren’t quite retirement age yet, but are still devs.

    • @msthalamus2172
      @msthalamus2172 3 роки тому +105

      I remember when MSN Explorer was the Hot New Thing in the company. A group of IE 5 devs moved over to MSN to take this on. I stayed on to do IE 6. That was the dead-end route as it turns out, since IE went into a dormant state after IE 6 shipped.

  • @henrickbull
    @henrickbull 3 роки тому +1552

    The weird mishmash of icons and design languages. It's like 2004 meets 2017 in 2021

    • @marct.g.5468
      @marct.g.5468 3 роки тому +22

      You couldn’t have said anything weirder to represent a program right?

    • @henrickbull
      @henrickbull 3 роки тому +108

      @@marct.g.5468 Hey I was trying to be civil to this three ring circus of a program. I’ve seen icons in this interface that go all the way back to XP then there’s some in here that I’ve seen in Windows 7 some I’ve seen in windows eight and some I’ve seen in windows 8.1 and that’s it. Then some of the interface design goes right back to XP. Some of the internal webpages in the browser Remind me of Microsoft’s web 1.5 design language. Sort of like what they had back in the days of XP when you would go and update your computer and it opened up Internet explorer to that weird update website yeah you know the one I’m talking about.

    • @marct.g.5468
      @marct.g.5468 3 роки тому +2

      @@henrickbull yes I can understand

    • @JeanSamyr
      @JeanSamyr 3 роки тому +25

      @@henrickbull activeX intensifies

    • @TheDolphinTuna
      @TheDolphinTuna 3 роки тому +6

      Yeah, this whole video was a trip

  • @doublej42
    @doublej42 3 роки тому +492

    I worked for msn premium as a tech support agent when it launched over 12 years ago. I worked there for 5 years. It’s amazing how much it hasn’t changed.

    • @DerSchakal523
      @DerSchakal523 2 роки тому +6

      Are there still people paying for that in 2022? Why?

    • @ZiggyMercury
      @ZiggyMercury 2 роки тому +9

      It's amazing it still exists. What's the point of paying for things you can get for free? I mean, except for an IE-like browser (I hope Netscape doesn't have paying customers too...).

    • @xmine08
      @xmine08 Рік тому +9

      @@ZiggyMercury Really old people I guess, who've been using that thing since the beginning. I'd assume that for many of those, that is "the internet"

    • @ZiggyMercury
      @ZiggyMercury Рік тому +4

      @@xmine08 You have a point. On the other hand, it's a bit of a paradox: if they used it back then, that makes them rather early adopters of the internet. If they still use it now, that makes them super-late adopters of the modern-day internet (or, actually, not-yet-adopters of it).

    • @ivysvids
      @ivysvids Рік тому

      How many target giftcards did you get?

  • @jayatflyt
    @jayatflyt 3 роки тому +4186

    when u said "what other installers have background music" i thought of piracy lol

    • @JMNTLRDRX
      @JMNTLRDRX 3 роки тому +671

      Keygen music is lit

    • @WillOnSomething
      @WillOnSomething 3 роки тому +478

      I remember being scared shitless when i'd open up a keygen with music in the background :)

    • @iGamezRo
      @iGamezRo 3 роки тому +119

      Me too like i did not really pirate in some time and when i did to a game only on epic games store (shitty games which i hate) i was scared first. I tought russian (or chinese who tf knows) repackers hacked me. lol.

    • @bandvitromaniaios1307
      @bandvitromaniaios1307 3 роки тому +152

      Same. CODEX pirate music

    • @glitchy_weasel
      @glitchy_weasel 3 роки тому +157

      lol
      the ones by fitgirls use to have bg music

  • @dustojnikhummer
    @dustojnikhummer 3 роки тому +454

    I feel like Microsoft either forgot to terminate this or they have a very large business clients who rely on this.

    • @JoelRiter
      @JoelRiter 3 роки тому +125

      Given that Microsoft has a monopoly on government systems (including being a massive military corporation for this reason), it’s probably a government agency. Because, you know, makes more sense continuing to give the Microsoft monopoly billions in tax dollars instead of just creating an open source OS for government use that would save a lot more money would just make too much sense.

    • @adtc
      @adtc 3 роки тому +74

      Definitely there's money involved. There's no way Microsoft wouldn't terminate this if it was a loss. Unless a bunch of guys in the basement are keeping this alive for fun (ala The IT Crowd).

    • @RicoCilliers
      @RicoCilliers 3 роки тому +39

      Hey maybe bill gates still uses it.

    • @miguelelgueta5830
      @miguelelgueta5830 3 роки тому +3

      They wouldn't need support if it was an open source OS maintained by the government though

    • @dustojnikhummer
      @dustojnikhummer 3 роки тому +29

      @@miguelelgueta5830 Remember when Munich went back to Windows and Office? Yeah, FOSS is not always the solution, especially with governments.

  • @joshuacampbell17
    @joshuacampbell17 3 роки тому +688

    "what other installers have background music"
    *keygen beats intensify*

    • @sutibu719
      @sutibu719 3 роки тому +27

      You forgot the installers for pirated games

    • @sutibu719
      @sutibu719 3 роки тому +11

      @ツSebastian tho the music they use is pretty good

    • @weegeenumberone2
      @weegeenumberone2 3 роки тому +9

      *U N R E G I S T E R E D*
      *H Y P E R C A M*
      *2*

    • @sutibu719
      @sutibu719 3 роки тому +4

      Tho, reloaded chose the best music for their installers

    • @CreeperPookie
      @CreeperPookie 3 роки тому +1

      What about Windows XP?

  • @gluttonousmaximus9048
    @gluttonousmaximus9048 3 роки тому +221

    Old logo and new logo unironically coexisting on the surface of one product is the most hilarious thing I've seen

    • @Locutus
      @Locutus 2 роки тому +3

      The use of Unironic, is ironic. 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @monikabixho7752
      @monikabixho7752 8 днів тому

      Same thing with Google Earth Pro (which isn't related to Microsoft in any way, sorry if i am off topic)

  • @ILoveWomen
    @ILoveWomen 3 роки тому +1014

    This UI looks so similar to pre “Aero” Longhorn. The right panel looks ridiculously similar to the old gadgets bar

    • @gan1
      @gan1 3 роки тому +12

      replies be like: **silence**

    • @stepsistertrap5992
      @stepsistertrap5992 3 роки тому +67

      It actually looks pretty nice, I'll always wonder why they ditched Aero in favour of icons so sharp that you can get cut just by looking at them.

    • @ALPHABYTE1994
      @ALPHABYTE1994 3 роки тому +4

      Free anti-malware software are not trustworthy

    • @WahyuSetiawan-sz4lc
      @WahyuSetiawan-sz4lc 3 роки тому +2

      Depends on who are we are talking about

    • @Tyler-ev7xq
      @Tyler-ev7xq 3 роки тому +15

      @@ALPHABYTE1994 malwarebytes?

  • @Wapitiii
    @Wapitiii 3 роки тому +2938

    Microsoft: Removes old important pages.
    Microsoft: Still offers MSN Premium.

    • @nilswegner2881
      @nilswegner2881 3 роки тому +61

      Absolutely true...

    • @animatorbruh5113
      @animatorbruh5113 3 роки тому +29

      this gave me a good chuckle

    • @trollsthatlol1
      @trollsthatlol1 3 роки тому +168

      Also still supports IE under the table.. Which has maybe a 6% market share and that might even be generous... But Windows 7 is old and irrelevant, you don't need it. Lol.

    • @KrishnaDasLessons
      @KrishnaDasLessons 3 роки тому +107

      @@trollsthatlol1 IE is still used by a decent amount of businesses though, especially for security cameras.

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 3 роки тому +61

      @@KrishnaDasLessons
      And old software some companies use which use ActiveX plugins.

  • @bastoscc
    @bastoscc 3 роки тому +154

    Nobody gonna talk about how when he signed in his account it litteraly said his name
    "Good morning, Michael!"
    10:07

    • @NopWorks
      @NopWorks 3 роки тому +18

      Wonder how that's possible, that it said his name in human voice. What if I have an uncommon name?
      I guess it's just pre-recorded audio, and they only record common names.

    • @SilentProti
      @SilentProti 3 роки тому +28

      @@NopWorks I'd say it's the text to speech function

    • @deidyomega
      @deidyomega 3 роки тому +23

      @@SilentProti Yeah thats totally text to speech. Microsoft has an amazing tts software baked into cortona

    • @naomibarnes44
      @naomibarnes44 3 роки тому +6

      I would've felt like a bad bitch using that ngl

    • @bastoscc
      @bastoscc 3 роки тому +4

      @@deidyomega If You are interested in Microsoft's text to speech voices you should search on google for Microsoft speech studio. They are really good

  • @leetaeryeo5269
    @leetaeryeo5269 3 роки тому +65

    Not gonna lie, I feel really nostalgic about these all-in-one internet suites. Those were the early days of the internet. Things have moved on so far from things like this.

  • @SokolS125
    @SokolS125 3 роки тому +2112

    Students: What will we use for online class?
    Teachers:

    • @samuelhulme8347
      @samuelhulme8347 3 роки тому +18

      Mine uses teams

    • @Private-pd2nc
      @Private-pd2nc 3 роки тому +39

      @@Meowzofficial looking at your comment I think that you are really incompetent

    • @NEK1911
      @NEK1911 3 роки тому +15

      @@Meowzofficial actually they are a bit too competent for my taste however I think your a bit incompetent tho

    • @NEK1911
      @NEK1911 3 роки тому

      @@Meowzofficial Jo

    • @Aluxix
      @Aluxix 3 роки тому +4

      So thats how the school makes money

  • @adianchowdhury9016
    @adianchowdhury9016 3 роки тому +789

    This basically wraps up all the design inconsistencies within Microsoft's products

    • @cyschan
      @cyschan Рік тому +5

      like the windows 3.1 icons in the computer files…..

  • @askhowiknow5527
    @askhowiknow5527 3 роки тому +207

    Somebody's job is to write bug fixes for MSN Explorer and they seem to be doing a pretty good job

    • @le0t0rr3z
      @le0t0rr3z 3 роки тому +28

      Dude what bug can you have when 90% of your buttons open another website xD

    • @vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217
      @vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217 2 роки тому +17

      @@le0t0rr3z They probably intentionally leave some bug in there so that they have something to do later. lol

    • @le0t0rr3z
      @le0t0rr3z 2 роки тому +2

      @@vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217 ngl I'd do that

  • @AnesuC
    @AnesuC 3 роки тому +96

    What I gather here is that it's for the older folks that don't know where to get all these things individually. I mean that would be the reason it's not discontinued. Having it all laid out in one program is essentially worth the money to them.

    • @ghostface5559
      @ghostface5559 2 роки тому +15

      or to siphon money from people that forget about it

    • @tomparis37
      @tomparis37 2 роки тому +10

      This is exactly what it is for. Im the ITmanager for a law office full of late gen x'ers and boomers and I always have to stop them from signing up or downloading shit like this.

    • @reeddeer793
      @reeddeer793 9 місяців тому +1

      @@tomparis37might not be a bad idea to just set em up with something like this and block all program execution lol

  • @bricklander
    @bricklander 3 роки тому +1111

    seeing modern microsoft stuff in an xp-like window feels... odd

    • @alexander1989x
      @alexander1989x 3 роки тому +70

      Almost like an outdated application still somehow running in Win 10, like Winamp

    • @ktb
      @ktb 3 роки тому +3

      ikr. I was just gonna tell him to make a video on this before he did lol

    • @worf8964
      @worf8964 3 роки тому +4

      its painful looking at it

    • @ToxicKlay
      @ToxicKlay 3 роки тому +45

      @@alexander1989x meh, Winamp is at least still incredibly useful as an audio player/visualizer even if other software has surpassed it in development, whereas there really is no conceivable reason anyone should be using MSN Explorer in 2021 hahaha

    • @ktb
      @ktb 3 роки тому +12

      @@worf8964 painful? not at all

  • @ntekniklaus3710
    @ntekniklaus3710 3 роки тому +195

    My grandfather, since the late 90s had MSN Premium and it was only gotten rid of last year, on his old account that was closed since 2017 after clicking a malicious link to grab his info. I didn't even know they had memberships, let alone still keeping them around. It took us two days to realize how much money he's wasted for about two decades.

    • @bluephreakr
      @bluephreakr 3 роки тому +10

      Dang. Maybe once he's acclimated with open-source software for his browsing habits, convince him to try out an open-source OS and move on from Windows? You can make MATE look like a solid representation of old Windows, there's also Ubuntu Kylin UI which _feels_ a bit like WIndows 10, and there's KDE 5 which _looks_ a lot like Windows 10.
      btw I use -Arch- Manjaro.

    • @ntekniklaus3710
      @ntekniklaus3710 3 роки тому +42

      @@bluephreakr as an open source and Linux user myself I myself simply can't recommend it anyway.. it's already bad enough I have to keep going to his house for the stupidest of reasons. honestly OS X would be a better option for him as it's more idiot proof in my experience but then again, "I AIN'T BUYING NO FUCKIN MAC!!".

    • @prateekpanwar646
      @prateekpanwar646 3 роки тому +6

      @@bluephreakr It's pretty difficult for old people to learn too newer something. Like you could learn any language easily when you were kid, Is it as easy today? No
      Keep windows, He may not understand command line. Just get him an open source browser and if you have any other subscriptions, replace with open source alternatives. Or like he made 1000+ documents with ms office, Buy a perpetual 2019 license.

    • @prateekpanwar646
      @prateekpanwar646 3 роки тому

      @@ntekniklaus3710 Yeah mac has easier user interface. You get everything with 1 search

    • @bizzzzzzle
      @bizzzzzzle 3 роки тому +14

      @@bluephreakr your more senile then his grandfather, you really think it’s a good idea to make him switch to Linux after the story he gave?

  • @JayarFlores
    @JayarFlores 3 роки тому +35

    I actually had this feature and browser for years until Verizon stopped paying for the premium subscription when they sold their dsl customers to frontier. My dad was actually really upset because he had 20 years worth of bookmarks and emails that didn’t not migrate when frontier took over. Oh the memories.

  • @ZiggyTheHamster
    @ZiggyTheHamster 3 роки тому +36

    The mail UI is exactly the same as it was in the XP MSN Explorer. The swoopy part in the top right is the design language that MSN used for everything until Live became a thing.

  • @technon1
    @technon1 3 роки тому +1157

    This kind of stuff is for OLD people, like someone's Grandmother who is used to the interface and doesn't want to learn how to use another program.

    • @JonnyInfinite
      @JonnyInfinite 3 роки тому +258

      I think it's probably legacy support for some mission critical application that needs a component of this

    • @LBSiUK
      @LBSiUK 3 роки тому +49

      My grandma can't live with Gmail, she hates it.

    • @cookie1218
      @cookie1218 3 роки тому +92

      @@LBSiUK my grandmother couldn't live with gmail, that she died.

    • @pitaya4151
      @pitaya4151 3 роки тому +42

      @@LBSiUK When gmail is loading, in the bottom right, click "simple html version" and the interface is way more readable

    • @EnigmaticLucas
      @EnigmaticLucas 3 роки тому +68

      It could also be for people living in areas without good Internet infrastructure.
      My neighborhood didn’t have anything better than 700kbps DSL until around 2014, and there are places in my state that still don’t even have anything better than 56kbps dial-up.

  • @L0PREZ
    @L0PREZ 3 роки тому +153

    Shout out to Felix for sharing that! what a genuinely nice gesture.

  • @xliquidflames
    @xliquidflames 2 роки тому +14

    Oh, wow. I haven't seen MSN in years. I did tech support for them. I worked for Sykes Inc who was/is a tech support outsource company. We did support for Gateway computers and MSN internet. I took 60 calls a day helping people get online through MSN. This was 2002-ish. I remember the timeframe because September 11 happened while I was in training for that job. I was hired for Gateway and did that for over a year. Then I moved over to MSN. I had no idea it was still being sold. I have photos of me inside that call center with MSN logos on the walls. lol man. I haven't thought about that place in so long. These screens look a lot like the version I supported. Of course, it's been 20 years since I've seen it but it looks very similar. There was this key combination you could do on the sign in screen that would take you to a hidden menu with some advanced settings. I think it was something like CTRIL+SHIFT+F12 or something like that. I remember doing that a lot with customers to configure their modem.
    By the way, I also did tech support for AOL from 1999 to early 2001. Yes. I'm old. I actually worked for AOL, though. That wasn't an outsourced job. I was there for the Time Warner merger. But I was commuting 3 hours a day to get to the AOL building. The Sykes call center opened 15 minutes from my house and I changed jobs. I regretted it but I also couldn't go back to commuting.
    Anyway, thanks for the trip down memory lane.

    • @hipstertey1666
      @hipstertey1666 Рік тому +1

      Sitel acquired Sykes, but you can still see the Sykes "Beer Can" building in Downtown Tampa Florida.

  • @yoshibros1111
    @yoshibros1111 3 роки тому +27

    The design of these old programs is so satisfying and "open", looking at a windows 10 one later (or most modern websites) makes your eyes bleed

  • @xBananaGamingHD
    @xBananaGamingHD 3 роки тому +136

    Its interesting how the UI, icons and all that is Windows XP style.. but the "msn" logo has been updated to the new flat design.

    • @NickDalzell
      @NickDalzell 3 роки тому +28

      Im glad it has something other than boring flat design. Also, flat isn't modern it originally was a thing in the 80s, and the more recent second coming is 9 years old already.

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 3 роки тому +7

      Yep, which led me to suspect that Microsoft's MSN team had just been performing security updates to MSN Explorer X.

    • @JuvStudios
      @JuvStudios 3 роки тому +6

      Also some of the icons are from Windows 8 and not the latest ones

    • @xxalex423xx
      @xxalex423xx 3 роки тому +13

      i hate flat design it's so boring

  • @ThatLinuxDude
    @ThatLinuxDude 3 роки тому +331

    Y'know, that GUI has a lot of Longhorn Pre Reset vibes in it.

    • @aviumcaravan
      @aviumcaravan 3 роки тому

      yes

    • @timrutten5990
      @timrutten5990 3 роки тому +2

      I agree. Feels weird

    • @patrycjadargacz4909
      @patrycjadargacz4909 3 роки тому +10

      @@timrutten5990 I am surprised that they have not updated the ui

    • @visualaudio22
      @visualaudio22 3 роки тому +3

      @@aviumcaravan this is exactly like longhorn pre reset

    • @CaptainOnoma
      @CaptainOnoma 3 роки тому +2

      @Dylan Longhorn wasn't even actually released, so you mean... no one?

  • @maxamuscrasious3047
    @maxamuscrasious3047 3 роки тому +109

    Now that you have a MSN account, time for an attempted sign in with the gold MSN explorer in XP?

  • @louspowels7120
    @louspowels7120 3 роки тому +64

    CLEARLY the elderly is now the demographic for this "product" and service.

    • @maximusg88
      @maximusg88 3 роки тому +5

      And apparently scammers are targeting them with this as well - as my own web search revealed

    • @KrishnaDasLessons
      @KrishnaDasLessons 3 роки тому +2

      @@maximusg88 Is there any article about this?

    • @HenriqueRJchiki
      @HenriqueRJchiki 3 роки тому

      @@KrishnaDasLessons article? Lmao who reads articles nowadays. Look up Scambaiting on UA-cam

    • @plottwist1733
      @plottwist1733 3 роки тому

      Yeah. And people in third-world countries with sh!t internet.

  • @OliviaIsTyping
    @OliviaIsTyping 3 роки тому +407

    I remember using MSN back in the days of windows XP lots of memories

  • @xero110
    @xero110 3 роки тому +617

    A bunch of modern and totally "legit" game installers have background music. 😉

    • @Leurak
      @Leurak 3 роки тому +88

      gitfirl perack

    • @9911jman
      @9911jman 3 роки тому +1

      Lmao

    • @vivianciurus5326
      @vivianciurus5326 3 роки тому +50

      I like the girl with the spoon who gives me free games

    • @daemonspudguy
      @daemonspudguy 3 роки тому

      @@Leurak make moar videos!

    • @Chromeno
      @Chromeno 3 роки тому +1

      toy story 2

  • @Breeze926
    @Breeze926 3 роки тому +150

    Skeuomorphic angled icons
    Skeuomorphic flat icons
    Windows 8 Metro monochrome icons with colored square
    Windows 8 Metro colored icons with no square
    Windows 10 fluent icon when it opens Outlook
    Windows Vista gradient background
    My brain can't handle this

    • @thatgraysuburban
      @thatgraysuburban 3 роки тому +10

      Skeuomorphic. I’ve been trying to remember that word for the past 2 years. I just kept thinking “oleophobic”. Thanks!

    • @solarstrike33
      @solarstrike33 3 роки тому +6

      And now here comes Windows 11…

    • @Breeze926
      @Breeze926 3 роки тому +13

      @@solarstrike33 Installing MSN on Windows 11 so we can add Windows 11 rounded borders to the list.

    • @SirFaceFone
      @SirFaceFone 3 роки тому

      If I hadn't seen this video I probably would've though it was a parody of Microsoft's design inconsistencies.

  • @W3R3W00F
    @W3R3W00F 2 роки тому +17

    Apple, Google: *consistently maintains their UI language across all current products*
    Microsoft:

    • @monikabixho7752
      @monikabixho7752 8 днів тому

      Google Earth (desktop version) left the chat

  • @StarmanDX
    @StarmanDX 3 роки тому +381

    Lol I helped my neighbor set up a new computer a week or 2 ago and he was subscribed to either MSN gold or MSN premium. Was shocked that it was actually still a thing

    • @gavinthecrafter
      @gavinthecrafter 3 роки тому +17

      It's all "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. Nothings really gotten _worse_ with MSN Premium, so people keep buying it unaware that all of these things are now available for free.

    • @Johnstone_Studios
      @Johnstone_Studios 2 роки тому +1

      Lol that's why I'm here because I found that out too.

    • @ElliLavender
      @ElliLavender 2 роки тому +2

      @@gavinthecrafter I think this is the best explanation for MSN Premium in 2021.

  • @oisinsharkie
    @oisinsharkie 3 роки тому +315

    MSN has like a comfortable feeling interface to it, it feels nostalgic

    • @KrishnaDasLessons
      @KrishnaDasLessons 3 роки тому +47

      That is with a lot of old programs. That was the design language back then, you would make the interface as comfortable as possible to make it easier for users to use a computer. AOL has a similar looking interface.

    • @hi_tech_reptiles
      @hi_tech_reptiles 3 роки тому +4

      Thats cuz its 20 years old lol

    • @doubtful_seer
      @doubtful_seer 3 роки тому +39

      The design language, having grown up using it, was absolutely designed to feel that way. The color choices were very deliberately chosen to evoke calm, the reflection Ed were to evoke water, it was all meant to fade into the background of what you were doing, feel inviting, but could also be customized heavily for those that wanted it and knew how.

    • @bengaligangsta
      @bengaligangsta 3 роки тому +11

      When in see those interfaces, it raises my heartbeat a little cos all I remember is things breaking and not working lol.
      Although it seems comfortable, things were really unstable back then.
      Current interface just works and is comfort for me

    • @doubtful_seer
      @doubtful_seer 3 роки тому +5

      @@bengaligangsta I actually find current OS less stable comparatively. I have three laptops, one from 2003, one from 2007, and one from 2010. The 2003 laptop, the cheapest of the three (about $300 iirc), has been the most stable through the years and was an absolute workhorse. My current laptop that was made in 2016 and has win 10 is the least stable of them all, to the point I spend 90% if my time on my tablet and $199 phone (this is a relatively new one that I switched to last October. Previously I was using a phone made in 2014 that I only switched from because apps were no longer working on that version of Android).

  • @MQZ17
    @MQZ17 2 роки тому +3

    I imagine the people that still work on this are in an old office with tubing sticking out of the walls, a bit of mold on some corners, furniture that doesnt match, fluorescent lighting that buzzes, in the basement of one of the Microsoft buildings

  • @SupernovaeTech
    @SupernovaeTech 3 роки тому +51

    Imagine being told "ok please redesign the site. Make sure not to break MSN Dial Up or MSN Premium"

  • @TheAuzman466
    @TheAuzman466 3 роки тому +85

    MSN, aka my front page in 2008 when I got home from school to play Runescape.

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 3 роки тому +1

      @Celly Milton
      Yep, I remember that! MSN was the default homepage on most versions of Internet Explorer, albeit through a Microsoft redirect link that then redirected to the MSN website for the country the user was connected to the Internet in.

    • @NazmusLabs
      @NazmusLabs 3 роки тому +1

      @@kbhasi A customized version of MSN still powers Microsoft Edge home & new tab pages

  • @cashnelson2306
    @cashnelson2306 3 роки тому +202

    As a "valuable" MSN customer? Did they mean valued? lmao

    • @Zuudo
      @Zuudo 3 роки тому +114

      They absolutely are “valuable” to Microsoft, considering they pay $10/mo for absolutely nothing 😛

    • @RaineWilder
      @RaineWilder 3 роки тому +25

      No, considering when it was written, they meant "valuable". This was a common expression back in the day.

    • @StevenOBrien
      @StevenOBrien 3 роки тому +16

      Freudian slip

    • @sciuresci1403
      @sciuresci1403 3 роки тому

      @@RaineWilder what do you mean back in the day ? It's not acceptable anymore? Lol

    • @RaineWilder
      @RaineWilder 3 роки тому +3

      @@sciuresci1403 semantically it doesn't have the same meaning as "valued", so that usage eventually stopped.

  • @joewell6435
    @joewell6435 3 роки тому +13

    I do on site tech support from time to time, and it's pretty much exclusively elderly people with varying degrees of technological ineptitude, and I can see the appeal of MSN Premium to those types of people. It has pretty much everything that kind of user would use in one easy to use program. The fact that UI looks so old I think is likely intentional and not just Microsoft not bothering to update it. Any kind of change, no matter how seemingly minor could seriously disrupt someone who is not able to do much on a computer without someone spending time and showing them in detail how everything works (and even then they often need to take extensive notes).

    • @drifter402
      @drifter402 2 роки тому +2

      They're willing to wreck all their other UIs so it's probably just not popular

  • @jackielinde7568
    @jackielinde7568 3 роки тому +20

    It's basically MSN's version of AOL's dialup shell. I could see someone getting this for their mother or father who's getting up there in years and not really tech savvy. It keeps them in a very safe sandbox for the most part, and it's nostalgic. Now, would I or any of my tech savvy family or friends use it? Oh, heck no! But as long as it doesn't really run scripts off strange websites, locks the user into a sandbox, and doesn't allow add-ons, I'd say it's perfectly fine for those folks who need a little helping hand.

  • @aaronbrown4275
    @aaronbrown4275 3 роки тому +50

    Mmm...that late00s/early10s design aesthetic. I miss it.

    • @ian_b
      @ian_b 3 роки тому +9

      At least you could see the edges of windows in those days. Before Jensen Harris got his hands on it and decided white on white works fine.

    • @Saul_Soto82
      @Saul_Soto82 3 роки тому

      That's exactly why i'll be paying for it lol

    • @thetelephoneprankster4254
      @thetelephoneprankster4254 3 роки тому

      @@Saul_Soto82 Have you subscribed now then?

    • @Saul_Soto82
      @Saul_Soto82 3 роки тому

      @@thetelephoneprankster4254 Not yet, im gonna have to ask my father if i can

    • @xxstarbrite02xx30
      @xxstarbrite02xx30 3 роки тому +3

      @@UltimateGamer-vg3nh take me too

  • @hanro50
    @hanro50 3 роки тому +26

    They seriously need to update the IE 11 back end or this app will be essentially vapour ware in the future. As IE11's lifespan is well... mainstream support for it ended in 2020 and IE11's methods of handling JavaScript isn't really compatible with modern web browsers.
    Meaning web designers are looking for any excuse to drop support.

  • @panqueque445
    @panqueque445 3 роки тому +31

    "MSN dial-up: Get it now!"
    w h y

  • @danl9621
    @danl9621 2 роки тому +3

    I still have my msn e mail account, I've had it for like 18 years or so, it's still my main email account and I use it without problems in the windows 11 mail app and even on xbox live, I won't change it ever, it's the mail account that my mom made for me when I was like 5 years old, it means a lot to me.

    • @realmichaud
      @realmichaud 2 роки тому +1

      I've been using my email for a long time

  • @easyflamer
    @easyflamer 3 роки тому +47

    It looks like the only market for MSN Premium are the old people who can't learn anything newer

    • @Idleshot
      @Idleshot 3 роки тому +1

      or won't, some individuals are stubborn

  • @multiverseone8115
    @multiverseone8115 3 роки тому +28

    "There's music!"
    *Flash backs to the old Sky EPG music on Sky Digital.*

    •  3 роки тому +1

      Remember when they used to put Christmas music in December

    • @multiverseone8115
      @multiverseone8115 3 роки тому +2

      @ oh boy, those were the days.

    • @MultiYippee
      @MultiYippee 3 роки тому +1

      @@CantPayEpisodes I heard they've stopped playing music altogether on the old Sky box EPG, and did so as of a while ago. It's just silent now.

    • @multiverseone8115
      @multiverseone8115 3 роки тому +2

      @@mrgklnds We have Sky Q now.

  • @ImN0tInsane
    @ImN0tInsane 3 роки тому +6

    I just discovered this video and this is so nostalgic I want to cry. Everything is here, the UI, the loading bar, the icons, MSN Mail ... Damn.
    Why would they keep this alive, though? Price of nostalgia?

  • @vram1974
    @vram1974 3 роки тому +26

    I can't believe it still looks late 90's early 00's. Kinda makes me want to use it 😂

    • @AJ-po6up
      @AJ-po6up 3 роки тому +6

      I know right, my mind says NO don't do it, but my nostalgia is begging me to pay for it and install it lol just to get that early 00's look.

  • @msthalamus2172
    @msthalamus2172 3 роки тому +16

    MSN Explorer was the perfect introduction to computers for my mom, twenty years ago. I didn't know that they'd been updating it at all since then, but I guess they kept pace up through IE 11. I would think adapting it to Edge would exceed its value, though. I doubt this service will continue because of this, but who knows?

  • @gameguy73
    @gameguy73 3 роки тому +8

    AOL still offers their client as well. It's been rebranded as AOL Gold and requires a subscription. It would be interesting to see it. Even though I'm fairly certain it's a ghost town.

  • @akpokemon
    @akpokemon 2 роки тому +26

    this feels like malware/bloatware. i can't believe it's an official MS product. On the other hand, I think it's so cute and cool. I love all the widgets and fun tab things. I kind of want to try it

  • @kantraa
    @kantraa 3 роки тому +11

    "So we've got the stock market..."
    Don't mind me, just checking GME stock in MSN Explorer.

  • @griffinlaw9367
    @griffinlaw9367 3 роки тому +12

    I noticed that a lot of the small icons are taken straight out of Windows XP.

  • @Garysmusic1964
    @Garysmusic1964 3 роки тому +11

    Enjoyed the video for the memories of this.. It does look close to the original. I had this running on a XP machine from the early 2000's.. They offered a service with your ISP back then, where you paid them to provide your internet for you.. DSL over the phone with their own router.. I still have the router and the msn e-mail, although they only had the service for a limited time. I enjoy all the modern advances of this time, but nice to look back on old tech and software... You have a new sub from me.. G

    • @MichaelMJD
      @MichaelMJD  3 роки тому +3

      Thanks for subscribing!

    • @Locutus
      @Locutus 2 роки тому +1

      2000s, not 2000's. 🙂

  • @RosaParksShoe
    @RosaParksShoe 3 роки тому +8

    Watching this is giving me weird nostalgia vibes. I kinda miss that feeling of when the internet was just starting out and exploring everything.

  • @FaithMurri
    @FaithMurri Рік тому +4

    My dad was on the team that built MSN Explorer! So we had it on my computer and I was IN LOVE with it as a kid.

  • @GameControlYT
    @GameControlYT 3 роки тому +3

    Yes why it there. A lot of corporation were offered lifetime support for msm premium at a huge price.
    And a lot of them still use it.
    By law Microsoft has to provide this service till even the last user of the software exit.

  • @RasAnnunaki
    @RasAnnunaki 3 роки тому +6

    Hi Michael, at 7:15 when you talk about the downloading speed and the size of the setup, the "33,33 MB" that you highlight is not the size of the setup but the dialup connection downloading speed. Remember the 33K and 56K modems ? Well the "33,33MB" actually refers to a 33K dialup modem speed connection. (Insert MSN Explorer happy emoticon here 😃)

  • @HumanGamer
    @HumanGamer 3 роки тому +8

    Wait, so you need to access the Microsoft Store using the internet to subscribe to MSN Dial-up?
    Something doesn't add up there...

  • @opalpersonal
    @opalpersonal Рік тому +2

    there is absolutely no way that this isn’t purely fleecing old people or those who don’t know any better out of as much money as they can get before this obsolete package goes bust. just like how cable TV companies are purely subsisting off of people 40 or older by now.

  • @minecraze
    @minecraze 3 роки тому +15

    25:57 stretched bing logo

  • @dealloc
    @dealloc 3 роки тому +10

    15:42 I believe that it just uses the version of IE that is installed on your system, which is IE11 on Windows 10. It's likely using a WebView control (or similar), which is hooked up to the IE engine on the system, rather than having the entire IE engine inside the MSN Explorer program.

  • @novemberbreed4669
    @novemberbreed4669 2 роки тому +3

    I really miss the days of colourful user interfaces. Just look at those icons!

  • @JeanSamyr
    @JeanSamyr 3 роки тому +13

    This interface is basically identical to the XP version, just with a slight improvement.

    • @Colorcrayons
      @Colorcrayons 3 роки тому +2

      It makes me realize how much I miss xp, and the entire environment that Microsoft created to keep users within that veryenvironment.

  • @Mattfromthepast
    @Mattfromthepast 3 роки тому +26

    So $10 to browse the web the way I did circa 2003?
    It's fun but I wouldn't pay money for it.

  • @geekmystique
    @geekmystique 3 роки тому +79

    My condolences to the maintenance team for this cash cow, especially considering the user demographic.. Kill it Satya!

    • @burakdemirh
      @burakdemirh 3 роки тому +20

      A lot of family computers probably have it lol. I bet they didn’t update the base browser to Edge bc a lot of the userbase is still using xp/vista

    • @nayviler
      @nayviler 3 роки тому +34

      You just KNOW there's like, one intern at Microsoft and this is his whole job. Maintaining MSN Explorer. No one knows why it still exists. Most people DON'T know that it still exists, and yet, it can't die for some reason

    • @wolf3dv
      @wolf3dv 3 роки тому +5

      @@nayviler I really like the Longhorn aesthetics so I would probably find it pretty comfy lol

    • @johncate9541
      @johncate9541 3 роки тому +12

      It doesn't look like it's been maintained in a long time, except just to keep it from breaking on new Windows revisions.
      It does seem to me that if this program still has a following, why not just offer it as a standalone free download at this point? It's a bit chintzy to charge people $10 a month for something that hasn't had a meaningful update since George W. Bush was President.

    • @toddbod94
      @toddbod94 3 роки тому +2

      @@UnsungAces it 100% only exists because some government agency needs it

  • @Sw3d15h_F1s4
    @Sw3d15h_F1s4 3 роки тому +6

    So you can pay 10 bucks to make an @msn email, I wonder if you can keep it forever... what a flex honestly

  • @obp3ter
    @obp3ter 3 роки тому +20

    I wonder if there is a dedicated developer working on it or it's just someone's side project.

    • @msi4887
      @msi4887 3 роки тому +3

      I doubt this even gets enough money in to pay a full-time developer at Mcirosoft

    • @Hopgop1
      @Hopgop1 3 роки тому +6

      There's prrobably 1 dude who understands it from when he and 3 other guys developed it in 2003, then he randomly gets called to fix it when a Windows update or something breaks it twice a year.

  • @alexisnik19911
    @alexisnik19911 3 роки тому +9

    The mail inbox ui is based on the old msn Hotmail domain. Thanks for the upload!!!!

  • @Jdbye
    @Jdbye 3 роки тому +9

    The design seems to be from the time when Windows Live Messenger was still a thing, and has remained largely unchanged since. It reminds me a lot of that. If this was something a significant amount of people still used they would have updated the design to match new Windows versions. There's probably less than 100 people still paying for it it which pays for keeping the servers running, but doesn't justify spending any significant amount of resources on improving it.

  • @AMalas
    @AMalas 3 роки тому +12

    13:07 oh, onedrive. Well, it is being _somewhat_ updated, it doesn't say skydrive!

  • @minscandboo1213
    @minscandboo1213 3 роки тому +18

    When you need to change languages in browser for some reason :
    *MSN* *WORLDWIDE*

  • @musicalneptunian
    @musicalneptunian 3 роки тому +10

    Somewhere Microsoft executives: "people still *PAY* for this! Hahahahahahaha! Suckers!"

  • @JeyVGaming
    @JeyVGaming 3 роки тому +9

    Kudos for bringing up "Command & Conquer Red Alert/YR" here. I'm just happy to hear someone still remembers it. lol

  • @jayextarys8616
    @jayextarys8616 3 роки тому +6

    My heart skipped a beat seeing those emoticons. I miss them lol

  • @triptheroad
    @triptheroad 3 роки тому +1

    I assume this is for people in the midwest that still don't have reliable access to high-speed internet but have a twisted pair copper phone line. When I checked a few years ago the AOL dial-up number still worked

  • @_ace55
    @_ace55 3 роки тому +8

    I just love these "time traveling" videos. Keep it up man! Have you ever thought about doing an FAQ?

  • @ccateni28
    @ccateni28 3 роки тому +11

    Try putting the old MSN explorer files into the latest version to see if it works.

    • @marct.g.5468
      @marct.g.5468 3 роки тому +1

      It would just end up with a weird messed up hybrid

  • @thezach13
    @thezach13 3 роки тому +9

    The interface looks like it was designed during the development of pre-reset WIndows Longhorn

  • @xkleeborp465
    @xkleeborp465 Рік тому +1

    I work for a bank and I still get calls from older card members that are paying for MSM Premium and AOL. I go out of my way to let people know that they’re still paying for these things and I have never had someone told me that they still use either service. I hate it when companies take advantage of old people.

  • @Manacho
    @Manacho 3 роки тому +9

    19:56 the submenu has translucent effect. That kind of cool

  • @ACoTam2
    @ACoTam2 3 роки тому +16

    7:09 quick calculation says that "high speed connection" means 512kbit/s

    • @AJ-po6up
      @AJ-po6up 3 роки тому +2

      Hm interesting, that was pretty high in the early 2000s when this program had any relevance, I would know since I was still using dial-up in 2007 so I can't imagine having that speed in 2002-2003.

    • @xenxander
      @xenxander 3 роки тому

      with 50kbps download speeds for that connection.

  • @zacharyhenderson2902
    @zacharyhenderson2902 2 роки тому +2

    That is a really nice and intuitive UI. It feels cozy like 2004

  • @kevinportillo1971
    @kevinportillo1971 3 роки тому +13

    This is definitely targeted for a very narrow scope of users. It seems idead for elder people who dislike post-2010 Outlook client and thr rapid changes, this keeps their primary needs centralized and minimalistic.

  • @trypoxd
    @trypoxd 3 роки тому +6

    No one:
    Michael : puts stonks.pdf on desktop and gamestop at the bottom of desktop wallpaper

  • @Doggy368
    @Doggy368 3 роки тому +7

    omg 14:17 one of the emoticons in the list is Rover, the dog from Windows XP and Microsoft BOB

  • @kirill9064
    @kirill9064 2 роки тому +2

    Does outlook still work in 2022 in msn explorer?

  • @poisonempress
    @poisonempress 3 роки тому +1

    my dad used to use msn and it's messenger back in the day along with yahoo, brings back some memories.

  • @renfauster
    @renfauster 3 роки тому +4

    I love how they remove a lot of important stuff from their site that is still needed to be installed today but keep this up

  • @mpyl
    @mpyl 3 роки тому +37

    me when MSN dial up

    • @JessieJamesPlays
      @JessieJamesPlays 3 роки тому +9

      this is absolutely me when MSN dial up

    • @xxalex423xx
      @xxalex423xx 3 роки тому +3

      yep still me when MSN™ dial up

  • @Nostalgia_Realm
    @Nostalgia_Realm 3 роки тому +1

    So weird! I noticed before that some legacy MSN pages are still up. But a subscription that you can still buy today to a useless service? That is something xD

  • @etekweb
    @etekweb 3 роки тому +2

    Used to use this browser as a kid, MSN Premium used to come included with Qwest internet (now CenturyLink). It has not changed at all lol, other than swapping out some of the buttons for newer Microsoft services and the new logo. Don't like that the butterfly doesn't flap on login anymore though, that was always my favorite part... But yeah most of the time we just used IE even back then because it was more capable and didn't have parental controls (which my parents didn't care much about, but MSN Explorer wouldn't let them turn it off because I was a child account). Still have and use my MSN email though!

  • @ordinarryalien
    @ordinarryalien Рік тому +4

    I never thought I'd be so embarrassed for Microsoft. What a sad company...

  • @sburton015
    @sburton015 3 роки тому +3

    Interesting finds. Didn't know the MSN service was still around. I do remember using the dial-up service from MSN for a little while back in 2002 and 2003, or maybe I remember using some of the MSN services like the chat rooms and stuff using a connection from another internet service provider such as AOL dialup. I remember actually trying a several different ISPs back in the day between 2001 to 2004 such as AOL, MSN, Earthlink, People PC, Juno, and maybe some other services. I remember the very last time that I ever used any kind of dial up internet was when I first moved into my first apartment back in February of 2006 when I then discontinued using land line telephone and then just moved on to using internet and phone from a cable company. Now, I just use wireless internet from AT&T.

  • @emusunlimited
    @emusunlimited 3 роки тому +2

    What's interesting about the MSN games page is that it may very well be flash games. You were using an embedded IE browser, which to my knowledge, never turned off flash support. Some people at my job still use it occasionally to access some old internal web app that is flash-based. That makes me wonder if the only way to play those MSN games anymore is to either use this explorer program or some browser that allows flash support.

  • @DonErondondon
    @DonErondondon 2 роки тому +2

    I adore the UI! It reminds me 2006 or so, it is so cool

  • @kaasis85
    @kaasis85 3 роки тому +18

    To be honest, I have no objections to MS offering this to folk who find it daunting to keep up with technology to do the same basic tasks that they've always done. We pay for convenience and familiarity all the time. Charging money for it seems fair enough since it's a niche service at this point that wouldn't be maintained otherwise. The interface actually looks very nostalgic and something I wouldn't mind using. I'm put off by many MS services nowadays because they're "evolving" without much added benefit and updates break stuff in the process. Things like e-mail and browser were pretty much perfected 15 years ago. I can see how it can soon become frustrating that when you open your email one day, MS in their wisdom have decided to show you only email messages that they think are important and called it a focused inbox and for some reason also put skype there that you cannot disable. Yet their calendar app on Windows 10 doesn't have such a basic function like search.

    • @PeriodicLaw
      @PeriodicLaw 2 роки тому

      I was thinking just that, thanks for writing this so I didn't have to.

  • @tailsprower9542
    @tailsprower9542 3 роки тому +12

    Hm MSN brings back times of that Windows xp computer in the living room me staring at this screen waiting for my turn to play games on the computer Something like Roblox/Sonic Adventure/Railroad Tycoon/The sims 2 Lol those were games i used to play

    • @marct.g.5468
      @marct.g.5468 3 роки тому

      Yeah, those were some great memories, except for the fact that my brother always got his hands on it. :)

    • @SproutyPottedPlant
      @SproutyPottedPlant 3 роки тому +1

      Sonic Adventure ♥️♥️♥️♥️🌱🌱

    • @tailsprower9542
      @tailsprower9542 3 роки тому

      @@SproutyPottedPlant Mhm yeah those were good times even though it was the DX version :/ but me back then diden't know better or care i was still playing the game so lol

    • @tailsprower9542
      @tailsprower9542 3 роки тому

      @@marct.g.5468 Hm yeah i never really had the share the computer with anyone else but my parents

  • @Thumper17
    @Thumper17 3 роки тому +1

    That American Heritage Dictionary they're using as 3rd edition is currently 5th edition published in 2011, however in 2018 they released a 50th anniversary edition making it a sort of 5.5 edition.
    So they're like 2.5 versions behind.

  • @Speed.Racer.5
    @Speed.Racer.5 Рік тому +1

    OMG. That browser. I had MSN dial up over 20 years ago and remember using that. It still looks pretty much the same.. Still have 3 msn email addresses that I use.