I find it kind of touching (in a mildly creepy way) that the Witch King almost seems to give a small condolence to Talion when he finally fell, and that even though Talion spent decades fighting against him and the other Wraiths the Witch King still welcomed him with open arms and called him "brother". Maybe deep down, beneath Sauron's mind control, the Witch King respected Talion for how long he held on.
Look at it this way, Witch King showed more affection the Celebrimbor for unlike bright boy Witch boy was human, and therefore understands all the pain, torture, and lengths Talion has gone to cling to what little he had left.
Yeah, I like the way the Witch-King treated Talion, and Talion also was sympathetic to the Nazgûl because of how they had suffered, and it’s funny that Wraiths that serve darkness held more respect towards the undead Ranger of Gondor than Celebrimbor, the so-called Bright Lord who would’ve proven worse than Sauron himself, and his former master, Morgoth
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy Sauron not join him, bring balance to middle earth not leave it in darkness! You were my brother Talion , I loved you.
The way she she said “Talion finally Fell... and joined The Nine.” Always makes me emotional with chills, he had resisted the wave of Evil for so long, that he Earned the Witch King’s respect in the end before turning. Wow.
@@1sano_ That's not how it ends though, as you see in the video at the end he didn't after the ring got destroyed and then showed him walking into the light
@@deathbykonami5487 That's what I meant, that he does eventually dies and passes on, the original comment says how hes finally free but the comment under it says Talion still a slave to The Dark Lord and I was pointing out that he wasnt anymore cause the one ring got destroyed
Lmao I wish Tolkien had written in fleshed out detail all of backstories of the Nazgûl. The lord of this game is at least a very very entertaining fan fiction with its own creative input. It definitely does good creative justice to Tolkien’s work especially since it all takes place in a way that would hardly affect the events of the books aside from interpreting how rings of power are wielded
@@OneNidimif you like unique designs and à bit of unique lore for the nazguls, games workshop did unique sculpts and some small bits of lore for every nazgul (and imo they all look awesome even if the sculpts are quite old now). The unique nazgul models are still to this day some of my favorite models ever
ResolvedMC indeed in the first game talk on brought a white rose to his wife at the beginning with her remarking it was her favorite flower, an excellent throwback to the previous game
@@juliuscaesar810 yeah pretty much. He was a Ranger at the black gate. Who was killed and binded to celibrimbor through a curse. They then hunted down the servants of sauron in the first game and then did this in the second.
The end of the scene really hit me hard. Essentially he's dropping his cloak because it represents the shadows he lived in. The sword for leaving his past as a ranger behind. The Dagger for remembering his son was no longer needed. He literally was leaving his burdens and past behind because there was no need for it. He could finally join his family and be at peace in the Undying Lands. Edit: Not the Undying lands but the afterlife. Thank you Horse Archer for correcting me. At least this is my interpretation
In tolkien univers human does not go to undying land. Creator let their soul travel universe freely as a gift of mortality and not be bound to their land unlike elf is, other than that i agree with your interpretation, he let go of everything and be free for a journey
@@horsearcher6852 - you’re right and wrong: yes indeed, humans don’t go to Valinor after death as is implied here. But Manwe (not Eru Ilúvatar the creator) held their afterlife a secret.
I was actually happy for talion both here and when he was finally free. Before he joined the Nine, the Witch King kept a spot open for him and it looks like Talion earned the Witch King's respect. When he was free, he had no more pain and was finally able to reunite with his family.
@@kainthebastard still though, the witch kings behavior with talion here does indicate he respects him, considering that like himself and the other 8, talion was a strong and capable leader before he fell, Ring or not the witch king did see that, he wanted talion to join them, and he kept the spot open for 60-70 years
If u also noticed in the first ending he was looking at Minas Tirith symbolizing he was still good and in the second ending he was looking at Minas Morgol symbolizing he became evil
This scene hits even harder if you’ve actually gotten it after all those fortress battles, you really feel the relief that his death finally brings him
Sauron and the witch king knew that having talion join the nine was a massive win in their books. Plus knowing that without him helping celebrimbor, they basically won if they had the one ring.
A worthy rival does not have to be a enemy. And Talion did prove his worth as a fighter time and time again. Just as a pure asset to their might, of course they would want him. And the Nine, are the only ones that know of the pain and suffering they have gone through. Since we know they were all great men once, I am sure they all resisted for as long as they could.
@@WolfFireheart The rings made them great warriors and sorcerers of their day, but their extended lives became unbearable as they began to transition into the unseen world. The Nine had no idea what they were getting themselves into, and they couldn’t do anything to resist when it was too late. Talion knowing the dangers of these rings, and yet still dawning one and holding back Mordor’s for years is perhaps a feat they respect out of the pure selflessness behind the act.
The way he drops his sword without hesitation makes me think he sees it more as Celebrimbor's than his, then when looks down/back at his sons, it almost looks like he doesn't wanna drop it at all. Idk that could just be me though
Sauron didn't die. Technically, he lost all his powers and became unable to do anything but watch the world or give people a bad mood from time to time.
I kind of feel that the witch King had a little bit of sympathy for talion he was once a great king before being enslaved to the dark lord so maybe there's still a little bit of humanity left in him or in the others
They are all slaves to Sauron's will. Talion freed a tortured soul, and took the mantle for himself, with intent to hold their slaver for as long as possible. He respects him for sure. He knew, like him, Talion was once a good man. But it was inevitable. Talion would fall to the ring's will, to Sauron's grasp. And eventually, when Talion fell, he would accept him with open arms.
@@humanish1 There's lots of people assuming it's because Talion was good and it brings back some shade of humanity in the Witch-King, but in my mind, it's more about Talion's willpower. We see it, when he's bound to Celebrimbor in the first place, and he begins the guerilla warfare. We see it, when he dominates the orcs and essentially conquers Mordor. We see it when he goes against Sauron embodied. We see it, when he lays there dying after being betrayed by his closest ally. We see it each time he comes back from death. We see it all throughout the 70-year war he waged on a literally goddamn Maiar Dark Lord, while using Sauron's own corruptive power against him. For. Seventy. Years. Talion's willpower is on another level, and is what allowed him to accomplish awe-inspiring feats throughout the games. And I feel like a Black Numenorean - which IIRC Witch-King was implied to be - would respect him for both of those.
You know how in Return of the King, when the One Ring finally sinks into the volcano, and the Eye of Sauron is freaking out? And then the camera closes in on Gandalf, Legolas, and Frodo's other friends in reaction shots as to what just happened? I always wonder how Talion's reaction shot would've looked like. Would he be like, "o shit" because he is a Nazgul, or would he finally be happy that Sauron was destroyed underneath all of that corruption?
Shadow of war wouldn't fit the Tolkien lore, even in the movies. Remember in the Shadow games, Helm Hammerhand didnt die frozen near Hornburg, Helm's Deep wouldnt have existed.
@@blueshit199he looked more like he was fading in and out of consciousness, which would make sense, as his throat was slit, and blood loss isn't pretty.
Iam glad calbrimbor is stuck with sauron he deserves it for being a bad guy Witch king you earned my respect you treated talion as brother unlike Somebody
no weapons allowed in the Undying lands.....I kinda wished they'd shown if it had been Canon which of the nine Talion became since Minas Morgul was suppose to be the domain of the witch king
@@unheardpoet9071 wasn't that Celembrior or whatever that ghosts name was the 9 were all former kings of men and the last one i remember him killing in game was Ilsilduir
@@nicklancial7103 the nine was the nazgul. celebrimor was not part of them he was the wraith that kept talion alive until he took his pure ring from him that when talion used a dark ring and used it for a good cause until it corrupted him
I notice that Celebrimbor’s spirit is still alive since it was freed when Sauron lost his power/died. I’m curious how it’s going to play out if they decide to do another game. Who is the protagonist going to be also since Talion is gone? My mind goes to the people who were in the fellowship but we’ll see I guess.
theres no point since it literally shows the moment when the ring was destroyed and when Talions spirit was finally freed. Unless there were to a be another game that would follow the fellowship itself, though that would be tricky considering most of the fighting was done by others and not Frodo and Sam who are the real protagonists id say. Would still be cool to see a re-telling of their story in a modern game format
Your actually right in a sense. After beating the DLC for the elf the ending is different. It reveals that the ring maker escaped. Now she is wearing said ring and that he’s calling her. With talion gone the ring maker needs a host. She saw talion’s memory,felt his pain, seen what he’s seen. It make sense for her to track him down and destroy him. After all it was revealed by shelob that if talion didn’t free one of nine (can’t spell his name) then they would have conquered and dominated the dark lord. And that middle earth would be attacked under the ring makers banner. Talion said it himself “I will not trade one dark lord for another “. My guess is that either they make it to where she gets rid of the ring maker and then she can finally return home knowing that she has gotten revenge for talion even though she herself also betrayed him.
@@SheriffSticky that and she’s just not as much fun to play. You can’t dominate enemies and make them fight for you. You don’t have as many abilities as talion. Granted they could change that of made the primary protagonist but still I don’t see a point.
I think it would have looked better if the ring wraiths didn’t have those mask and resembled their movie counterparts more. Witch king looks good though, probably would have looked better with the theatrical helmet mask combo
Antonio Glascoe the reason they look the way they do in the movies is because they disguised themselves as black riders, that is a representation of what they would truly look like when not disguised
@@mitchrowell371 maybe the New Ring has some difference since you see that it still glows with power when sauron dies because Celebrimbor is still “alive” So as long as he lives the New Ring has power
@@nerdlegion5362 I dont think its that easy since you dont have the rights to use anything from the LOTR. At least commercially, but there have been several instances where a company shut down fan made projects, even if they paid out of their own pocket and dont want any money. I dont think anyone, especially without a team behind them, would risk that much time and money only to receive a cease and desist by a greedy company.
Luckily, this shit isn't canon. Seems the writers didn't even bother to read any of Tolkien's work, let alone find out how the Nazgul were created in the first place.
@TheAETHER22 Don't know what you're talking about, Amazon never made Rings of Power. /s Jokes aside, I never watched it, never plan to. I know enough about RoP to know that both would make Tolkien puke.
Everyone wants to say that this game isn't cannon because there's only one named nazgul and it wasn't talion but who's to say this isn't the origin story for one of the other nazgul and we now have the name of them as well
So you're telling me this guy, this fucking guy, who tore through the horde of orcs on his own, couldn't find and kill a smol boi from the Shire? Being a Nazgul must really nerf you.
Did he die though? We see a blue spirit fly off towards the mountain then during Talion walking away he has blue eyes again. Isn't it possible that Celebrimbor went back to Talion as a wraith and Talion is simply going on to a different journey. In my mind Talion settles down again and finally enjoys the peace he fought for for so long
@@forickgrimaldus8301, Eru Iluvatar has the last word about the fate of a dead man. He knows humans are flawed. He probably let all Nazgul move on after they were freed of Sauron.
I wonder if the other Nazgul would still remember themselves after all that time subjugated under Sauron and found the same kind of freedom as Talion did
Throughout the game, talion and Celebrimbor receive visions through the New Ring of the Nazgûl’s lives. They show at least 3 or 4 of them, if I remember correctly. The Witchking of Agmar is the oldest of the Nazgul, and the only one to be truly hollow. He has absolutely no memory of who he was, not even the slightest sensation or feeling of who he might’ve been. The Witchking of Angmar is over 4,200 years old by the time of the LOTR books/movies, which take place in the Third Age, year 3,018. He was born sometime before the year 2251 of the Second Age. After around 4,120 years of serving Sauron, the Witchking of Angmar completely forgot every last trace of who he was.
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Shelob: "And an unlikely hero..." [Under her breath]: "...Who's friend stabbed me in the fucking eye""
the 2 Games would literally be awesome as movies.. showing more Personalty from Orcs would also be nice.. yes its cannon but imagine this as movie Series and in the Last Movie he turns nazghul:D will never happen but it would be dope.. also we dont know any names for other 7 nazghul nazghul, only 2 are known.. so there is some room:D
Anakin Skywalker's End Anakin finally fell and joined the Sith. In the years that followed, the son of Skywalker was found and the new Sith worked in pursuit of the new Jedi. And then...After decades of war, darkness gave way to light. A new fellowship and an unlikely hero. Death came. Death to Sidious. Death to his dominion. And death to Anakin. Who walked out of darkness and found freedom. From then on, the Chosen One will live forever and watch over the Galaxy alongside his family and those who became one with the Force.
That's right, fellow Lotr nerds! Gollum's greed saved the world. If Golem didn't bite the ring from Frodo's finger, Frodo would've went the way Isildur went and became another Nazgul.
I wished the ending that doesnt end the game would be the true ending and in the next game dark talion would fight an amalgamation of Sauron and Celebrimbor accompanied by humans, orks and undead.
I find it sad how it ends this way after celibrimor and talion were freinds for years slowly becoming even better freinds and ruling middle earth again and turning it to the light and after all the suffering that they went through together celibrimor betrays talion and the fact that if it weren't for talion middle earth wouldn't be the same and the fact that theres not going to be a middle earth 3 makes it even sader😪😔😔🤧😭
A new game could happen after the events of LoTR. The One Ring was destroyed, but the new one remains with Sauron and Cellebrimbror essences. Once they're freed, it's time for Talion to came back from the shadows and ally with Humans, Elfs, Dwarfs and Orcs to destroy the last ring and end the light and darkness lords once and for all in this three sides war for the ring.
The elves are gone, dwarves are extinct and hobbits are extinct too, Talion died as a Nazgûl, he cannot come back, and most orcs died or lost the will to live since Sauron is dead.
They would’ve gotten hate left and right if they did, so I felt like they did it for less hate, but ppl still get mad even tho it’s already been said that’s it a adaptation
@@notstonks3773 Theres a hidden respawn dialoge where the witch king vaguely hints to his past "Your fate is my fate i to resisted but like the others i fell as well"
@@notstonks3773 His origins are way to old long before Talion. No one even remembers his name all that its known about him is that he was from Numenor i believe he was from either the first era
Sadly yes, because that bitch of a elf never destroyed his ring. When Celedickmore made his new ring, poured his soul into it, he became a being like Sauron. One that can't be destroyed completely as long as the ring remains.
@@WolfFireheart so when Cale and sauron fought He was like connected to his ring and even if he died he would still live in spirit form as long as the ring exist (sauron)? Or this will only happen in the game and movies
Sadly this is the true ending, cuz in the end, Witch King was a good guy, the one and only that caused conflict and war, was the demonic race of Elfs, the one and only, in the end orcs, etc wasn't the bad people, the bigger treat was the elfs.
I find it kind of touching (in a mildly creepy way) that the Witch King almost seems to give a small condolence to Talion when he finally fell, and that even though Talion spent decades fighting against him and the other Wraiths the Witch King still welcomed him with open arms and called him "brother".
Maybe deep down, beneath Sauron's mind control, the Witch King respected Talion for how long he held on.
Well considering at one time the witch king was basically just like talion I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did
I liked this a lot. Maybe deep inside the Nazguls don't want to serve Sauron, but they cannot do it.
Look at it this way, Witch King showed more affection the Celebrimbor for unlike bright boy Witch boy was human, and therefore understands all the pain, torture, and lengths Talion has gone to cling to what little he had left.
Yeah, I like the way the Witch-King treated Talion, and Talion also was sympathetic to the Nazgûl because of how they had suffered, and it’s funny that Wraiths that serve darkness held more respect towards the undead Ranger of Gondor than Celebrimbor, the so-called Bright Lord who would’ve proven worse than Sauron himself, and his former master, Morgoth
Lol talion was chasing Frodo this whole time
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy Sauron not join him, bring balance to middle earth not leave it in darkness! You were my brother Talion , I loved you.
The Witch King of Angmar ok I need to remove my persona as the void man. It is I Morgoth and I’m about to enter Arda again
Talion : I hate you!
Tong Sittisook lol
Since when was the witch king against sauron?
{DDLC} Model shhhh
The way she she said “Talion finally Fell...
and joined The Nine.” Always makes me emotional with chills, he had resisted the wave of Evil for so long, that he Earned the Witch King’s respect in the end before turning. Wow.
Shelob actually sounded sad as she said that.
I think she cared for Talion, in her own probably twisted way.
Not respected enough to get his own mask though
"It is over. Together we will turn towards Middle-Earth."
- Witch King of Angmar.
The way he speak was ghostly. Gives me a chill.
0:22 wow the witch-king showed more affection than Celebrimbor did
There was un underlying respect for him he lasted so fucking long with SAURON’S RING. Hundred of attacks and segues and assaults from other wraiths
Indeed decades of resistance to saurons influence before falling respect earned
He gained the witch Kings respect for resisting for so long
Witch king was never a bad guy
Since the first appearance in the beginning the Witch King respected Talion and not Celebrimbor
The ending isn’t sad Talion finally found peace after decades of torture he is no longer banished from death he can be happy
He literally turned into a Nazgûl, a slave of Sauron that will never rest while the rings of power still exist.
@@1sano_ That's not how it ends though, as you see in the video at the end he didn't after the ring got destroyed and then showed him walking into the light
@@icemanjr.5819 that happened after the One Ring was destroyed by Frodo and Sam. A nice tie in to the movies.
@@deathbykonami5487 That's what I meant, that he does eventually dies and passes on, the original comment says how hes finally free but the comment under it says Talion still a slave to The Dark Lord and I was pointing out that he wasnt anymore cause the one ring got destroyed
@@icemanjr.5819 Yeah I get your point, I thought he was talking about talion turning into a Nuzgul and finds peace in being a nazgul.
Khamûl: Congratulations! You are now officially a part of the Nine.
Witch King: Welcome to the club, buddy.
Lmao I wish Tolkien had written in fleshed out detail all of backstories of the Nazgûl. The lord of this game is at least a very very entertaining fan fiction with its own creative input. It definitely does good creative justice to Tolkien’s work especially since it all takes place in a way that would hardly affect the events of the books aside from interpreting how rings of power are wielded
@@OneNidimif you like unique designs and à bit of unique lore for the nazguls, games workshop did unique sculpts and some small bits of lore for every nazgul (and imo they all look awesome even if the sculpts are quite old now). The unique nazgul models are still to this day some of my favorite models ever
The Witch King and the Nazgûl gave him more brotherhood than Celebrimbor ever did
NEVER TRUST AN ELF
Notice how he doesn’t look at his sword as he drops it,but looks at his sons sword as he drops that one
Yea i wish his son and wife were waiting for him as he walked onto the afterlife
@@voided4844 That's what they should of shown, its like they forgot his family
@@Ecco_The_Dolphin they didn't. The white rose, next to his son's broken sword. The rose represented his wife and the sword his son.
ResolvedMC indeed in the first game talk on brought a white rose to his wife at the beginning with her remarking it was her favorite flower, an excellent throwback to the previous game
@@ResolvedMC yeah but it would have been better if they were standing in the light waiting for him.
He resisted the power of sauron for over 70 years
Respect
Man's straight up built different, he's not even a Numenorian or anything.
@@hoked2194 I played the games but I need to know, was he just a regular any day being who just grabbed a sword and a wraith then started fighting?
@@juliuscaesar810 yeah pretty much. He was a Ranger at the black gate. Who was killed and binded to celibrimbor through a curse. They then hunted down the servants of sauron in the first game and then did this in the second.
@@bbc4983 Ye from what I’ve seen, his family got sacrificed then he met the wraiths. His whole life changed at they moment
@@bbc4983 He wasnt just a ranger though, he was the Captain of the Black Gate Rangers.
The end of the scene really hit me hard. Essentially he's dropping his cloak because it represents the shadows he lived in. The sword for leaving his past as a ranger behind. The Dagger for remembering his son was no longer needed. He literally was leaving his burdens and past behind because there was no need for it. He could finally join his family and be at peace in the Undying Lands.
Edit: Not the Undying lands but the afterlife. Thank you Horse Archer for correcting me.
At least this is my interpretation
A good one at that tooo
In tolkien univers human does not go to undying land. Creator let their soul travel universe freely as a gift of mortality and not be bound to their land unlike elf is, other than that i agree with your interpretation, he let go of everything and be free for a journey
@@horsearcher6852 - you’re right and wrong: yes indeed, humans don’t go to Valinor after death as is implied here. But Manwe (not Eru Ilúvatar the creator) held their afterlife a secret.
@@MensHominis ah. I wasn't fully versed in the lore of the afterlife in middle earth. I apologize.
Talion becomes one with the force in the end.
I was actually happy for talion both here and when he was finally free. Before he joined the Nine, the Witch King kept a spot open for him and it looks like Talion earned the Witch King's respect. When he was free, he had no more pain and was finally able to reunite with his family.
he kinda had to keep the spot open.
talion having the ring and all
@@kainthebastard still though, the witch kings behavior with talion here does indicate he respects him, considering that like himself and the other 8, talion was a strong and capable leader before he fell, Ring or not the witch king did see that, he wanted talion to join them, and he kept the spot open for 60-70 years
If u also noticed in the first ending he was looking at Minas Tirith symbolizing he was still good and in the second ending he was looking at Minas Morgol symbolizing he became evil
@@hassanawdi3793 nice
That and he called him brother when he asked him to join
This scene hits even harder if you’ve actually gotten it after all those fortress battles, you really feel the relief that his death finally brings him
And then the cutscene ends and you go into infinite, endless sieges.
His look as a ring wraith is cool
But doesn’t he look like the rest of them, with the exception of the Witch-King?
@@carsenmaxwell3336 i think their look is cool for the game.
@@jasonleslie203 i think when he wears the ring and became dark and green is really cool (sorry if bad english)
He had a cape on top of the cloak, that was his unique feature
@@sternguard8283 they're all wearing a cape over their cloaks in the cutscene my guy
I think Talion was the Witch King’s favourite.
Considering how immensely powerful Talion was with celebrimbor and then as a Nazgul I wouldn’t be surprised.
All of the Nazghuls knew it they always said Brother to him they showed more compassion and loyalty than the Elfs that betrayed him
Whats fun to me is every time I watch fellowship of the ring, to think he’s one of the nine chasing after Frodo
Sauron and the witch king knew that having talion join the nine was a massive win in their books. Plus knowing that without him helping celebrimbor, they basically won if they had the one ring.
2:48 the white flower talion gives his wife at the very beginning grew next to his sons sword. I never noticed that. BRILLIANT touch 😪🥰
wow I never noticed that
"You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain."
ironically enough he did die a hero
After years of holding them back and to still be accepted as one of their own.........RESPECT
A worthy rival does not have to be a enemy.
And Talion did prove his worth as a fighter time and time again.
Just as a pure asset to their might, of course they would want him.
And the Nine, are the only ones that know of the pain and suffering they have gone through.
Since we know they were all great men once, I am sure they all resisted for as long as they could.
@@WolfFireheart The rings made them great warriors and sorcerers of their day, but their extended lives became unbearable as they began to transition into the unseen world. The Nine had no idea what they were getting themselves into, and they couldn’t do anything to resist when it was too late. Talion knowing the dangers of these rings, and yet still dawning one and holding back Mordor’s for years is perhaps a feat they respect out of the pure selflessness behind the act.
The way he drops his sword without hesitation makes me think he sees it more as Celebrimbor's than his, then when looks down/back at his sons, it almost looks like he doesn't wanna drop it at all. Idk that could just be me though
It’s his body and soul that fell, it’s almost like his eyes darting back and forth is the only energy he has left to resist
Sauron didn't die. Technically, he lost all his powers and became unable to do anything but watch the world or give people a bad mood from time to time.
Sauron is like a big company boss who was fired and lives on the streets now.
Ghost Sauron just hanging around Gondor just giving out bad vibes
Lmao 😂
Hobo Sauron
I kind of feel that the witch King had a little bit of sympathy for talion he was once a great king before being enslaved to the dark lord so maybe there's still a little bit of humanity left in him or in the others
They are all slaves to Sauron's will. Talion freed a tortured soul, and took the mantle for himself, with intent to hold their slaver for as long as possible.
He respects him for sure. He knew, like him, Talion was once a good man. But it was inevitable. Talion would fall to the ring's will, to Sauron's grasp. And eventually, when Talion fell, he would accept him with open arms.
@@humanish1 There's lots of people assuming it's because Talion was good and it brings back some shade of humanity in the Witch-King, but in my mind, it's more about Talion's willpower. We see it, when he's bound to Celebrimbor in the first place, and he begins the guerilla warfare. We see it, when he dominates the orcs and essentially conquers Mordor. We see it when he goes against Sauron embodied. We see it, when he lays there dying after being betrayed by his closest ally. We see it each time he comes back from death. We see it all throughout the 70-year war he waged on a literally goddamn Maiar Dark Lord, while using Sauron's own corruptive power against him. For. Seventy. Years.
Talion's willpower is on another level, and is what allowed him to accomplish awe-inspiring feats throughout the games. And I feel like a Black Numenorean - which IIRC Witch-King was implied to be - would respect him for both of those.
They must still have, because after Sauron got defeated and Talion died, he seemed fully human again (yes in death, but still).
Talion finally join the bois
You know how in Return of the King, when the One Ring finally sinks into the volcano, and the Eye of Sauron is freaking out? And then the camera closes in on Gandalf, Legolas, and Frodo's other friends in reaction shots as to what just happened? I always wonder how Talion's reaction shot would've looked like.
Would he be like, "o shit" because he is a Nazgul, or would he finally be happy that Sauron was destroyed underneath all of that corruption?
according to this cutscene, he remained idle and indifferent
Shadow of war wouldn't fit the Tolkien lore, even in the movies. Remember in the Shadow games, Helm Hammerhand didnt die frozen near Hornburg, Helm's Deep wouldnt have existed.
@@FatGouf Yes. I know they are completely different universes. Still, I'm just curious... for fun's sake.
@@blueshit199he looked more like he was fading in and out of consciousness, which would make sense, as his throat was slit, and blood loss isn't pretty.
When Talion soul find Peace is so great and warming. Im really glad he's soul find peace at last. But we know this is not the peace we want or others!
Great now i see the witch king as a father figure for some reason
Even tho its not canon,it is still one of my favorite stories from middle earth.
They can still make it in the new series if they want . Plus we saw many scenes from the movies
@@thanoskitsos5710 Shadow games break the lore too much for that
It's more cannon that the Woke trash than Amazon produced
This, is truly, to me, the greatest story ever told in middle earth
what about the lord of the rings trilogy?
Iam glad calbrimbor is stuck with sauron he deserves it for being a bad guy
Witch king you earned my respect you treated talion as brother unlike
Somebody
The Witchking was a darksider but had honor.
every Názgul did they waited for him all the time to welcome him
no weapons allowed in the Undying lands.....I kinda wished they'd shown if it had been Canon which of the nine Talion became since Minas Morgul was suppose to be the domain of the witch king
He took the place of the one he killed on the final mission "bright Lord"
@@unheardpoet9071 wasn't that Celembrior or whatever that ghosts name was the 9 were all former kings of men and the last one i remember him killing in game was Ilsilduir
@@nicklancial7103 the nine was the nazgul. celebrimor was not part of them he was the wraith that kept talion alive until he took his pure ring from him that when talion used a dark ring and used it for a good cause until it corrupted him
@@unheardpoet9071 yeah but you said bright lord and i know thats what he was going to become if he overthrew Sauron
He took isildurs place in the nine, so essentially he was the Gondorian representative to the Nâzgul.
And Talion joined his brothers, love that shit.
The Ending is Sad, It almost made me cry. no cap
Pussy
@@snp4619 Chad
It really is
It did I actually cried
So talion becomes one with the force
He is like Anakin Skywalker. He joins the bad guys and is redeemed in the end.
I notice that Celebrimbor’s spirit is still alive since it was freed when Sauron lost his power/died. I’m curious how it’s going to play out if they decide to do another game. Who is the protagonist going to be also since Talion is gone? My mind goes to the people who were in the fellowship but we’ll see I guess.
theres no point since it literally shows the moment when the ring was destroyed and when Talions spirit was finally freed.
Unless there were to a be another game that would follow the fellowship itself, though that would be tricky considering most of the fighting was done by others and not Frodo and Sam who are the real protagonists id say.
Would still be cool to see a re-telling of their story in a modern game format
Your actually right in a sense. After beating the DLC for the elf the ending is different. It reveals that the ring maker escaped. Now she is wearing said ring and that he’s calling her. With talion gone the ring maker needs a host. She saw talion’s memory,felt his pain, seen what he’s seen. It make sense for her to track him down and destroy him. After all it was revealed by shelob that if talion didn’t free one of nine (can’t spell his name) then they would have conquered and dominated the dark lord. And that middle earth would be attacked under the ring makers banner. Talion said it himself “I will not trade one dark lord for another “. My guess is that either they make it to where she gets rid of the ring maker and then she can finally return home knowing that she has gotten revenge for talion even though she herself also betrayed him.
@@DjGhost42054 I would rather not have her as a protagonist...she was annoying as heck in shadow of war.
@@SheriffSticky that and she’s just not as much fun to play. You can’t dominate enemies and make them fight for you. You don’t have as many abilities as talion. Granted they could change that of made the primary protagonist but still I don’t see a point.
@@grizzly_manbanimation8436 Yeah, it's either do some iffy retcon of SoW or have a game with half a Nemesis system, neither of which would be good
Game narrator:a new fellowship a new unlikely hero
Gollum in lava:heh heh my precious!
Me:shadow of Mordor 2 gollum’s new life
More like 3
I think it would have looked better if the ring wraiths didn’t have those mask and resembled their movie counterparts more. Witch king looks good though, probably would have looked better with the theatrical helmet mask combo
Antonio Glascoe the reason they look the way they do in the movies is because they disguised themselves as black riders, that is a representation of what they would truly look like when not disguised
You have a point, but using the masks, they look faceless and putting the mask, talion becomes faceless Nazgul, losing his identity.
@@dshaprin that’s the point that his identity was lost among the nazgul
Maybe one day we'll get a new game. Celebrimbor is freed and the New Ring still remains.
Without the ruling ring of power (saurons) all other rings including non canon ones are just jewelry
@@mitchrowell371 maybe the New Ring has some difference since you see that it still glows with power when sauron dies because Celebrimbor is still “alive”
So as long as he lives the New Ring has power
I dont think Celebrimbor's ring is imbued with sauron's power. Therefore it will not stop being powerful after sauron's death
I need my revenge
Imagine Talion realizing in the afterlife, that Sauron was defeated. Or atleast someone released home from The Dark Lord’s hold.
Am I the only one thinking that talion might have done a better job with his actual body then the one he looks like when he was fully corrupted
One of the few games I would give 10/10
Sequel: I am Banished From Death... and bound to the flaming eye..Talion will came back soon
So shadow of mordor and shadow are after the hobbit before lord of the rings right?
@@jumperthehedgehog2932 Roughly.
@@AhmedKathiri say that to the levels of sequel baiting of blade of galadrial
@@jakejohnson718 Maybe the tittle of the sequel is "Shadow of Light".
No it before the hobbit and lord of the rings
It’d be more symbolic if Talion dawned Isildurs mask when he fell and joined the nine.
I still want a LOTR game where i can customize and play as a nazgul lol
I want this, except fully customizable lol. Shame stuff like that never happens.
You could always make a fan game
@@nerdlegion5362 I dont think its that easy since you dont have the rights to use anything from the LOTR. At least commercially, but there have been several instances where a company shut down fan made projects, even if they paid out of their own pocket and dont want any money. I dont think anyone, especially without a team behind them, would risk that much time and money only to receive a cease and desist by a greedy company.
@@deathstalkerx4415most likely sued for making one though but I mean if you're a billionaire then why not
So now we can refer to them as the 10 right
Oh wait...
No after Isildur was killed They were 8 With Talion they Are 9
@@talionthenazgul3213 the witch king wanted 10 with talion
Now Each time i watch the LOTR movies specially the part with the Nazgul i can't stop thinking about Talion who is among them
Luckily, this shit isn't canon. Seems the writers didn't even bother to read any of Tolkien's work, let alone find out how the Nazgul were created in the first place.
@@SpookGodI wonder what do you think about the rings of power then. The game looks like a masterpiece compared to them
@TheAETHER22 Don't know what you're talking about, Amazon never made Rings of Power. /s
Jokes aside, I never watched it, never plan to. I know enough about RoP to know that both would make Tolkien puke.
@@TheAETHER22 i agree with you
@@felixseraphin7375 never even mentioned celebrimbor in the films who was fighting sauron for decades
anyone who is broken can easily fall into the darkness
Talions story reminds me a bit of Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. He falls to the darkside but in the end is redeemed.
That was probably the best thing to happen to talion, he finally has 9 loyal brothers who wouldn’t betray him
"Loreth , Dirheal i'm coming home "
If talion is really a part of the nine, the fellowship of the ring has no chance to win lol.
Like, talion is super OP.
It’s not canon to LOTR so look at it a bit different I guess
Who know maybe Talion has enough sentience left to purposely fail trying to kill Frodo.
@@forickgrimaldus8301I mean if one of them we're tailon he would of sure as hell kill Aragon and gandalf
Maybe his power became weaker as soon as he was full Nazgul.
It would be awesome a sequel where you play as the nazgul in search for the ring of power
Everyone wants to say that this game isn't cannon because there's only one named nazgul and it wasn't talion but who's to say this isn't the origin story for one of the other nazgul and we now have the name of them as well
From my point of view each fan can choose it to be canon or not. It's a great backstory for Nazguls
" you either die a hero or get betrayed by bitches and turn into an awesome villain. "
So you're telling me this guy, this fucking guy, who tore through the horde of orcs on his own, couldn't find and kill a smol boi from the Shire? Being a Nazgul must really nerf you.
Haven’t played shadow of war in forever when i seen this I was like damn my boy Talion fell to the Side we swore to overtake.. 😔
Gives a little bit of development to the Witch king and the Nine as well, a brotherhood of fallen kings all serving the Dark Lord together.
The sauce of the transition to the full Nazgûl instead of just a dark talion looks saucy
Did he die though? We see a blue spirit fly off towards the mountain then during Talion walking away he has blue eyes again. Isn't it possible that Celebrimbor went back to Talion as a wraith and Talion is simply going on to a different journey. In my mind Talion settles down again and finally enjoys the peace he fought for for so long
Talion already had blue eyes his eyes were a different color because he wore one of the nine that corrupt people
One of the Greatest finales ever made for an epic action adventure open world rpg, even today i still play this game and still find it fun
So of Talion was freed after Sauron died, that means the other 8 were also free! I wanna know more about them.
This Game did not belong to the Lore Canon
@@boilinghippo4468 I know but I was curious to know more about the lore of the game
@@ryatt1 probably depends on whether they are evil to begin with or were just tricked or forced into serving Sauron.
@@forickgrimaldus8301, Eru Iluvatar has the last word about the fate of a dead man. He knows humans are flawed. He probably let all Nazgul move on after they were freed of Sauron.
@@Boogeyyyman depends I think, those that were evil to begin with weren't saved but those that were just corrupted are freed
I wish we got to unlock his Nazgûl outfit, atleast as a skin.
Maybe the next game, eh? I'll take anything at this point. I feel like an addict.
With the last update to the game I don’t know how long ago, you will receive the Nazgûl mask upon completing the first stage of the Shadow Wars.
@@VariableZero that’s true, but the mask is black instead of silver like in the cutscene. Also you can’t get his full Nazgûl outfit.
I wonder if the other Nazgul would still remember themselves after all that time subjugated under Sauron and found the same kind of freedom as Talion did
Throughout the game, talion and Celebrimbor receive visions through the New Ring of the Nazgûl’s lives. They show at least 3 or 4 of them, if I remember correctly.
The Witchking of Agmar is the oldest of the Nazgul, and the only one to be truly hollow. He has absolutely no memory of who he was, not even the slightest sensation or feeling of who he might’ve been.
The Witchking of Angmar is over 4,200 years old by the time of the LOTR books/movies, which take place in the Third Age, year 3,018.
He was born sometime before the year 2251 of the Second Age. After around 4,120 years of serving Sauron, the Witchking of Angmar completely forgot every last trace of who he was.
Shelob: "And an unlikely hero..."
[Under her breath]: "...Who's friend stabbed me in the fucking eye""
the 2 Games would literally be awesome as movies.. showing more Personalty from Orcs would also be nice.. yes its cannon but imagine this as movie Series and in the Last Movie he turns nazghul:D will never happen but it would be dope.. also we dont know any names for other 7 nazghul nazghul, only 2 are known.. so there is some room:D
Okay look he deserved better armor though
did anyone notice he was always looking at minas tirith. When he couldnt see anymore because of the corruption and shadow he knew his time was up.
Anakin Skywalker's End
Anakin finally fell and joined the Sith. In the years that followed, the son of Skywalker was found and the new Sith worked in pursuit of the new Jedi. And then...After decades of war, darkness gave way to light. A new fellowship and an unlikely hero. Death came. Death to Sidious. Death to his dominion. And death to Anakin. Who walked out of darkness and found freedom. From then on, the Chosen One will live forever and watch over the Galaxy alongside his family and those who became one with the Force.
This…
…is the ending I have left to unlock?
moment of silence for the bros who had to do 10x Shadow Wars for this ending and not the updated easy mode they have now.
bullshit, he should get some different armor, he held off sauron for decades.
Even in death, Talion is not free from Arda. At least he didn't awaken in the Halls of Mandos.
I really never understood the ending bc well i was like 9 but now it makes me so emotional seeing how he drops his cloak his sword and his sons sword
How’s that for karma: Talion’s able to move on, but Celebrimbor’s stuck as a ghost
I would have joined the nine
Hail the witchking
Hail sauron
This mortal sure is tenacious ile give him that but the darkness is as inevitable as is the destruction of all creation.
That's right, fellow Lotr nerds! Gollum's greed saved the world. If Golem didn't bite the ring from Frodo's finger, Frodo would've went the way Isildur went and became another Nazgul.
I actually cried
I wished the ending that doesnt end the game would be the true ending and in the next game dark talion would fight an amalgamation of Sauron and Celebrimbor accompanied by humans, orks and undead.
That is possible, there are decades between shadow war sieges and Talion joining the Nazgul
@@mightycloud7560 rly? Talion needed decades for 3 stages of the shadow wars? I did that in about an hour xD
And so the nine become ten!
I'm sure there are many others who were turned into wraiths, and they haunt Minas Morgul as undead slaves.
Actually still 9
Talion freed Isildur and took his place
i like the ending because after fighting so much Talion goes to heaven to be reunited with his familiy and finds peace
It was a really sad moment for everyone who played the game. It was the moment talion broke!😞
I find it sad how it ends this way after celibrimor and talion were freinds for years slowly becoming even better freinds and ruling middle earth again and turning it to the light and after all the suffering that they went through together celibrimor betrays talion and the fact that if it weren't for talion middle earth wouldn't be the same and the fact that theres not going to be a middle earth 3 makes it even sader😪😔😔🤧😭
Yeah love this.. Always love the dark side
I kind of expected the souls of his family welcoming him in the light
0:21 Looks sus
A new game could happen after the events of LoTR. The One Ring was destroyed, but the new one remains with Sauron and Cellebrimbror essences. Once they're freed, it's time for Talion to came back from the shadows and ally with Humans, Elfs, Dwarfs and Orcs to destroy the last ring and end the light and darkness lords once and for all in this three sides war for the ring.
The elves are gone, dwarves are extinct and hobbits are extinct too, Talion died as a Nazgûl, he cannot come back, and most orcs died or lost the will to live since Sauron is dead.
The fact that the witch King had to go to Talion alone because Talion would defeat them all is just so cold
Does anyone else feel disappointed we didn't get to see the Witch Kings backstory
They would’ve gotten hate left and right if they did, so I felt like they did it for less hate, but ppl still get mad even tho it’s already been said that’s it a adaptation
@@notstonks3773 Theres a hidden respawn dialoge where the witch king vaguely hints to his past "Your fate is my fate i to resisted but like the others i fell as well"
@@notstonks3773 His origins are way to old long before Talion. No one even remembers his name all that its known about him is that he was from Numenor i believe he was from either the first era
How do you get this ending?
After you fought Sauron, keep defending your fortresses.
@@BlazerK1914 thanks
Dude I wish they could add that Nazgûl armor to the game for you to wear
1:48 - Celebrimbor still exist as a ghost?
Sadly yes, because that bitch of a elf never destroyed his ring.
When Celedickmore made his new ring, poured his soul into it, he became a being like Sauron.
One that can't be destroyed completely as long as the ring remains.
@@WolfFireheart so when Cale and sauron fought
He was like connected to his ring and even if he died he would still live in spirit form as long as the ring exist (sauron)?
Or this will only happen in the game and movies
Also I wonder how the Third game will work since Talion is gone... he went to the after life
@@PRchris13 you will probably play as the traitorous elf
@@nerdlegion5362 i dont know what they will fight against with sauron defeated
come on at least just give him his own mask
I guess it is true, no man in middle earth can resist a ring of power. Eventually you will fall. No way around it.
There is no escaping the 9!
Sadly this is the true ending, cuz in the end, Witch King was a good guy, the one and only that caused conflict and war, was the demonic race of Elfs, the one and only, in the end orcs, etc wasn't the bad people, the bigger treat was the elfs.
1:57 saddest part 😢
I cried, i don't know why, but i cried
Only a real lord of the rings fan would under stand, i almost cried myself
For some reason that ending made me cry idk