I've added an alternative PDF to the DropBox area ("... Alt") which has the main riff scored as 6+7/4 with a dotted divider in the middle of the bar. This looks to me to be a good compromise based on the Si G & Bill B dicussions (see below) 😉
Thanks ever so much Hob. That middle part was always a bit of a struggle but thanks for laying it out. As I told you, wish I had you back in my teen years...LOL
A bit different then the way I learned it by ear. have to try this as it sounds much better filled out!!! Great job once again my friend!!! Have you ever considered a transcription of "Evidence Of Autumn"? That would present quite a challenge I'm sure!!! Kudos to you!!!
I've often had this discussion with EH. Classically, 6/4 is a two-beat measure, stress on 1 and 4 crotchets, whereas 3/2 allows you to feel stress on 1, 3 and 5. But as EH says, this is now accepted as interchangeable
As Si said, 3/2 is the correct classical notation - cos the drum rhythm (boom cha boom cha etc.) is counted as 1 & 2 & 3 & - so I thought I'd use it in the approved classical manner rather than have him tell me I was wrong again... 😂 I originally had it as 6+7/4 (rather like my RAB solo vid) but having everything in one bar looked a bit silly to me. (edit: but see pinned comment above) Ironically, Si's reply to your comment indicates that he now accepts what I've been saying about compound times (6, 9, 12 etc.) being more flexible in a modern (especially prog/fusion etc.) context; meaning I probably wouldn't've got a "I would have done it this way..." comment if I HAD used 6/4 🙄😂
@@ElektrikHob yes it may make sense classically but as you said for modern purposes and the way it goes along 6/4 is the better option I believe. It feels right to me in the flow of the song
@jackcslewis2009 I'm getting emails from UA-cam letting me know you've commented on our conversation but they're not appearing here for some reason... In fact, the original conversation itself seems to have gone AWOL...! Anyway in response to your latest comment below: "Elektrik Hob You know what, you're right. I played it wrong all those years... I'm wondering if this is where you spotted it in video? ua-cam.com/video/A2aPGxd9icA/v-deo.html , anyway that's what finally convinced me. I kind of could hear the low G on the left hand but was still wondering if he was doing that also on the right hand... but he does. So good on you. I stand corrected (well I'm sitting but still)." Yes, that's the video I mentioned (and again in my Travels/End video) 👍An incredibly useful 'what's Tony actually playing?' source! Glad you now agree with me too 😉
Another note-perfect job! While I totally understand the 3/2 + 7/4 bars for the verse - it's definitely how the outro vocal is phrased - I feel the actual verse more as 4/4 + 4/4 + 5/4. I suppose consistency across the whole score is important, though
May I ask?? and i SWEAR I am NOT critiquing ok?? Doesn't Tony play the "block"chords with his left and right hand???? The right hand being the block and the left doing the block and fifths...meaning, during live he doesn't play the sixteenth bass notes??...if that makes sense?? Just asking
You're correct about Tony playing (the same) chords with his right and left hand, but... this is a piano transcription not a "Tony's bits" transcription... Live (and probably when recording it), for the Intro, Chorus and beginning of the Verse, with the 3-note chords, he plays with his LH all 3 notes (or possibly just the top and bottom notes) that I've written (for the RH) and his RH plays what I've written but an octave higher. With the 4-note long chords (Intro & Outro), he probably plays the bottom 3 notes with his LH and all 4 notes an octave higher with his RH. With the Outro final set of 4-note chords (from the 2/4 bar onwards), it'll be the top 3 notes played with both hands an octave apart; or something like that 😂 But, as I said, this is a solo piano transcription to be played on a piano with somebody (a Phil soundalike if you're lucky) singing along 😊
I see you have most selections of their albums on DB through Duke. Any chance you can do some off their self titled 1983 album and perhaps their later ones like “Thats’s All?”
I've added an alternative PDF to the DropBox area ("... Alt") which has the main riff scored as 6+7/4 with a dotted divider in the middle of the bar.
This looks to me to be a good compromise based on the Si G & Bill B dicussions (see below) 😉
Thanks ever so much Hob. That middle part was always a bit of a struggle but thanks for laying it out. As I told you, wish I had you back in my teen years...LOL
Thanks for sharing. Absolutely perfect!
Lovely work as ever thank you! These are lovely surprises!
What a treat!
Brilliant- thanks so much!
A bit different then the way I learned it by ear. have to try this as it sounds much better filled out!!! Great job once again my friend!!! Have you ever considered a transcription of "Evidence Of Autumn"? That would present quite a challenge I'm sure!!! Kudos to you!!!
It's one I'm considering; it certainly is an interesting one 🙂
Cul de Sac is another that would present a challenge. Whatever you do next I'm sure will be up to your always amazing standards.
Just wondering why you made those bars 3 over 2 instead of 6 over 4? I would have done the latter, just to keep the bottom figure the same throughout.
I've often had this discussion with EH. Classically, 6/4 is a two-beat measure, stress on 1 and 4 crotchets, whereas 3/2 allows you to feel stress on 1, 3 and 5. But as EH says, this is now accepted as interchangeable
As Si said, 3/2 is the correct classical notation - cos the drum rhythm (boom cha boom cha etc.) is counted as 1 & 2 & 3 & - so I thought I'd use it in the approved classical manner rather than have him tell me I was wrong again... 😂
I originally had it as 6+7/4 (rather like my RAB solo vid) but having everything in one bar looked a bit silly to me. (edit: but see pinned comment above)
Ironically, Si's reply to your comment indicates that he now accepts what I've been saying about compound times (6, 9, 12 etc.) being more flexible in a modern (especially prog/fusion etc.) context; meaning I probably wouldn't've got a "I would have done it this way..." comment if I HAD used 6/4 🙄😂
@@sigil5772 Makes sense - see my comment below. 🙂
@@ElektrikHob Yea - I just listened to the full version, with drums, and I can see now that it makes sense! 🙂
@@ElektrikHob yes it may make sense classically but as you said for modern purposes and the way it goes along 6/4 is the better option I believe. It feels right to me in the flow of the song
@jackcslewis2009 I'm getting emails from UA-cam letting me know you've commented on our conversation but they're not appearing here for some reason...
In fact, the original conversation itself seems to have gone AWOL...!
Anyway in response to your latest comment below:
"Elektrik Hob You know what, you're right. I played it wrong all those years... I'm wondering if this is where you spotted it in video? ua-cam.com/video/A2aPGxd9icA/v-deo.html , anyway that's what finally convinced me. I kind of could hear the low G on the left hand but was still wondering if he was doing that also on the right hand... but he does. So good on you. I stand corrected (well I'm sitting but still)."
Yes, that's the video I mentioned (and again in my Travels/End video) 👍An incredibly useful 'what's Tony actually playing?' source!
Glad you now agree with me too 😉
Another note-perfect job! While I totally understand the 3/2 + 7/4 bars for the verse - it's definitely how the outro vocal is phrased - I feel the actual verse more as 4/4 + 4/4 + 5/4. I suppose consistency across the whole score is important, though
I just can't win!!! 😂
@@ElektrikHob 😆
May I ask?? and i SWEAR I am NOT critiquing ok??
Doesn't Tony play the "block"chords with his left and right hand???? The right hand being the block and the left doing the block and fifths...meaning, during live he doesn't play the sixteenth bass notes??...if that makes sense??
Just asking
You're correct about Tony playing (the same) chords with his right and left hand, but... this is a piano transcription not a "Tony's bits" transcription...
Live (and probably when recording it), for the Intro, Chorus and beginning of the Verse, with the 3-note chords, he plays with his LH all 3 notes (or possibly just the top and bottom notes) that I've written (for the RH) and his RH plays what I've written but an octave higher.
With the 4-note long chords (Intro & Outro), he probably plays the bottom 3 notes with his LH and all 4 notes an octave higher with his RH.
With the Outro final set of 4-note chords (from the 2/4 bar onwards), it'll be the top 3 notes played with both hands an octave apart; or something like that 😂
But, as I said, this is a solo piano transcription to be played on a piano with somebody (a Phil soundalike if you're lucky) singing along 😊
I see you have most selections of their albums on DB through Duke. Any chance you can do some off their self titled 1983 album and perhaps their later ones like “Thats’s All?”