The 117 screaming eagle bolt on kit for the 110 engines are JUNK. I did it and had nothing but problems with them; leaking all the time. I talked to Harley corporate about my problems and just wanted my money back for the kit and they refused! They don’t honor their products . I talked to several shops and they all said the same thing; they are junk and will have leaking problems unless you do crank case work done to make it a true 117! I decided to go back down to the 110 and made changes to the internal parts and tuning. Now I have no problems and runs better then when I had the bolt on 117 kit on. Just a side note, don’t bring your bike to a Harley dealership to get your work done. They are terrible. Go to an independent shop to get better work done and at a cheaper price!
You must’ve had a bad mechanic at the Harley dealership. I had my 117 kit done at a local dealer knowing beforehand who was going to be working on the bike. I had the heads ported and SE cam plate and oil pump. Everything else was from the 117 kit. I let them use the Harley street tuner for the one year warranty and the bike came off the Dyno at 118/124 according to the Dyno sheet. That was two years ago and 30k miles ago. I recently bought a Fuel Moto programmed Power Vision and did three auto tunes . The bike pulls waaay better than with the street tuner. I wont put it on the rollers again as I’m not too keen on them. My seat dyno feels like about 122/128 and for a 83k mile twin cam it’s respectable and good enough for me. 2015 CVO road glide ultra. The takeaway is dumping all dealerships into the same “they suck” category doesn’t really hold true across the board and shouldn’t be posted since there’s a lot of people out there that consider internet posts as gospel. On that note Ive tried three Indy’s near me, actually four and they were all hacks so there’s that. Stripped bolts and drain plugs, burned up BCM and ECM just as a sample. Sure the labor price is better than Harley but the old adage “you get what you pay for “ seems to apply sometimes. At least for me. So now I went back to what I used to do 50 years ago and stop being lazy and doing most of my own work, in my garage, on the floor, according to spec and with all the correct torque values and I feel much better about what condition my bike is in. Sorry you had a bad experience with that kit and the dealership but it doesn’t hold true in every case. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Love your videos Gix!
I supposedly had a “master mechanic” working on my bike at Harley! My problems started only 500 miles after the build when I was getting my bike tuned ; leaking. That’s when my nightmare started. I was in the same Harley dealership for all of the repairs after since they did the build. I gave them the benefit of the doubt ! I was in the Harley dealership on an average of 2 times a year with leaking problems. This took place over 5 yrs. I got the feeling they got tired of me and eventually they did not take good care of my bike; scratching things, breaking things, parts put on wrong,etc. I got fed up them,so that is why I went directly to Harley corporate ! That’s when I changed my perception of Harley; not caring about their customer or honoring their products. You should know I have a 2014 CVO and take very good care of my bike and is very proud of it. After this nightmare, that is why I went to independent shops to get my work done and have been much happier with their care and work on my bike. When I do agree with you that you cannot say all dealerships are the same, where I live there are 3 dealerships by me and they all are not good, so I don’t have an option to go to a Harley dealership. When I went back down to the 110( because I already spent thousands of dollars for the build and would have costed me more to go to a true 117)it was cheaper to go down to the 110. I ported my heads, valve job, woods cams, KB forged pistons and other internal part changes, with power vision tuner ( had it dyno tuned). Now finally, it is not leaking and running great for the past 3 years. It is running the best it’s ever had. This is why I will only go to independent shops from now on. I do know there are good Harley dealership around the country, they’re just not around me. Also, how Harley corporate treated me, left a bad taste in my mouth with Harley . I wrote this to let people know there are options to get work done on your bike other than Harley dealerships. I also wanted to let people know, who are thinking about these bolt on kits, they don’t work unless you get crank case work done. This is my truth. Thank you for the replies
@@markmohler3739 If you can't do your own work, go back to your electric scooter. I'll buy you a vanilla soy latte. I know, I'm heavy-trolling you because you are really whining a lot! Painting the kit and all Harley shop mechs as bad. OK you had a bad experience, but it seems as if your own inexperience and seeming entitlement cuz you've got the bucks for a "high-end" factory show bike have contributed to your problems. Attitude is everything.
my t.c cam shoes went south on mine under warranty. local harley threw a bunch of junk parts into my motor and shoved it out the door. I went to an independent after my warranty was up. he laughed at all the crap parts that were in it. will never trust the local harley shop ever.
Here my thoughts. I'm not sure about the M8's. The twins are good motors. I've got 88 and it's stock with touring cams. Good enough for me. I'm planning on getting a 14 to 16 bike next year when my budget allows it. I've been on a 103 and that has enough power for me. I'll won't mind doing some up grades like cams and pipes and air cleaner. If I get one with lots of miles then I'll consider doing major upgrades and keep it reliable without compression releases and mild compression for pump gas and a good tune. I care about how loud it is and having a good cam sound and it gets up and go. Don't care about have a very fast bike. Boring cases isn't want I care to do. I enjoy your videos and thanks for making them.
I rode a 110 CI Screaming Eagle w/ SE heads that was done right, Woods cams, carburetor conversion with air cleaner and up graded exhaust.....peppy was an understatement
There's been a 117 sitting on Marketplace near me for $3k for a while now. The 103 in my Road Glide is getting close to 100k miles, and that 117 keeps getting more tempting.
You’re right you don’t see a lot of 117 twin cams. I also don’t see a lot of 110 Slim S! That’s why I love my 16FLSS every bike night or bike show I am always looking and don’t see them and if I do find a slim it’s either the 103TC or a 107M8. hopefully this year I can do the stage II cams 585. But if I ever have to rebuild my engine I might do that 117 kit. The 110 is definitely a fun ride. I can only imagine the one 117 kit..
You don't see a lot of S models that aren't the Low Rider... you rarely see a Slim S or a Fat Boy S. That 117 conversion on those 110's is pretty rare.
So my video come out Saturday morning for you?! Interesting, cause I release them at 2 PM on a Friday here in Oklahoma. That's pretty cool! Well good morning and happy Saturday to you!
@@GixxerFoo It is the focal point of my channel, upgrades will always be something I’ll be doing to add some spice!!! lol but man I love my 103 Twin Cam. The Thunder Max tuner made a big improvement, the difference is very noticeable.
@@GixxerFoo It is the focal point of my channel, upgrades will always be something I’ll be doing to add some spice!!! lol but man I love my 103 Twin Cam. The Thunder Max tuner made a big improvement, the difference is very noticeable.
I've realized that I like my engines under stressed and over-engineered. I'll take a beefed up crank and upgraded crank bearings but I'll leave the bore alone.
Good stuff. Personally I’d opt to the M8 to keep current with the newer platform and available features. Thanks for the information it was good stuff for the person that has a twin cam and wants to stay with it.
The M8's aren't bad motors at all and it's incredible the kinda power they are making with just cam swaps. They respond so well to power upgrades, they are excellent engines but keeping them from sumping can be a challenge sometimes.
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I have never seen a 117. Interesting. I have seen a 110. Seems like back in the day there was a 113 stroker kit available for the Twin Cam 88. Also seems like I remember there being a crate 120 available in street and race versions.
Absolutely there used to be a 113 kit! Harley used to have some really cool Screamin Eagle parts years ago. There was a 120 ST and a 120 R, the 120 ST had a milder cam but was otherwise internally the same engine as the 120R.
I just did my 110 Eagle. Went with the S&S branch and O’Keefe did the heads I kept it a 110 bumped up the compression S&S chess with woods cams. It’s not crazy but respectable it’s 118 hp 122 torque quite a difference to Ride from my 80 hp 110. And that’s rear wheel horsepower on what Harley says from the crank.
I also did a 58 mm throttlebody and I have to thank you. I started looking at the woods cams and O’Keefe recommended. TW-9-6 Night prowler . I put the Dino sheet up for you but no way on here. I’m making good power torque for 110 10.1 compression well he deck heads so it’s probably a little more than that. Will ride around 120- 121 horse bar and torque. Not bad that’s real numbers to the rear wheel. Thanks I enjoy your stuff.
I bought a 2003 screamin eagle 1550 softail deuce last spring with 2400 actual miles on it. I went through everything and serviced it. It hauls for what it is and I like it, what would be a good wood cam to put in it. I’ve already tuned it with my power vision. It doesn’t run like my 131 triglide but I’d like you to get a little more out of it since I’m going to upgrade the cam plate and tensioners with hydraulic ones. Thanks love you vids.
Nothing wrong at all with those 95's, they are pretty fun to ride! You put a 131 in a tri-glide?! I haven't seen that yet! I bet that things hauls and surprises a lot of people!
I have the FM 110 kit on my original 96 that was a 103 for a short time. I didn’t want to mess with the boring the cases so went as large as I could with that limiting factor. It does have the other Darkhorse treatment though. :)
I have a 16 Ultra with heavy breather, VH FP3, and VH pipes. I may eventually get the VH headpipe, but right now the bike is super smooth. Plenty of power. Reliable, and just fun to ride. Im just building the stereo to really get it loud and clear. Will be a 6 speaker system with no loss of any bag space. How much more power do i really need outbof the 103.? Thoughts?
The 103 does really well with a air cleaner, exhaust and a tune. If you want a decent power bump adding a cam is one of the more budged friendly ways to bump the torque up around 100 ft lbs and get horsepower in the mid 90's.
@gixerfoo I'm considering the Wood Tw222 for my 13 Road Glide Ultra. Kit will be purchased from FuelMoto. Is that a good kit for overall HP and torque? Of course already have heavy breather, gutted cat, and PV3 tuner
That's a lot of the issue is getting into cylinder wall and cylinder spigot thickness. You loss that even when you cut meat off the cases to make it all fit.
The first owner of my CVO Ultra Classic Electra Glide Anniversary installed the SE117 kit at 60k miles. When I bought it from the dealer that installed the kit it actually has a blown head gasket that I didn’t catch until I was out of the 1000 mile warranty. I changed the Cometic gasket myself. I also tuned it properly and swapped the mufflers out. It already had the V&H power dual header. I also did an external breather. Swapped the plugs for NGK iridium’s and she’s running great. When the time comes I will probably have Skunkworx build me a 124. Still might upgrade the cam chest and go with a different cam. I’m happy and have almost 81k miles and 21k miles on the kit. Also there are 2 different part numbers. One regular and one race kit. I have the latter. Cheers.
Sounds like you've got a really nice setup there! That's exactly what I love about a Harley is you can keep on upgrading and changing as much as you like!
I did a 95cu to a 106 (bored to 107) 05 Road Glide with an S@S hot kit for Twin Cam. Had the SE heads ported with raised ports and bee hive springs, S@S.625 ez start cams, roller rockers, 2-1 D@D Borezilla, Master Tune 2, 50mm TBI and 5.7 injectors. It dynoed at 120 hp and 124 tq. not too bad for a "little" 107. It buries130mph no problem.
@@kennethwise7108 I have a gsxr 1000 and Hayabusa. Never had to do a repair on either for the last 10 years. Somehow a slow garbage Harley can't make it puttering down the road
I didn't even know they made one. Do you have a cam preference over the rs 468 or the 22xe? I'm torn on which one to pair with a D&D 2-1 on my 117. Just curious what your thoughts were. I ride mostly in the 2500-3000 range
They definitely weren't super well known at all but they do exist. I find it really hard to beat the 22xe anywhere in the rpm range. It really tends to outperform every other cam out there at any given rpm.
Good video Gixx I've never heard of a SE117 kit, but my question to you is this .Why wouldn't you just go to a 120R or a 110 stage 5 tire shredder kit? or is that what they call the tire shredder kit? a SE117? your thoughts?. Cheers from the Great White North
I got a 110SE CVO softail springer that I Believe is going to get the Upgrade!!! But it’s only got 13k miles and I Fully Enjoy it like it is BUT!!!! Enjoy the videos, great content, keep em coming!!!❤❤
Can you do a video about upgrading an 88 CI carb model? I have an 01 Fatboy (FLSTF) that I would like to get more out of, but want to keep the reliability.
That's the way to go and get the heads done at the same time. The SE kit reusing the stock heads more or less just kills the power output. I bet your Zipper's Kit hauls!
So I really like the Evos. I ride sportsters, so the 1200 is about as max as I go. I would have thought it would be easier and less $$s to have a more reliable low-tech powerhouse rather than something that wont work because the computer says "No". Just my thoughts...
I love my Sportster, it's my ride of choice... but if you wanna get some more out of it there is Hammer's 1275 bolt on. getting horsepower in the mid 80's to low 90's is pretty dang easy, even with their cam swaps.
I'm confused! I could have swore that there was a 120 ci twin cam motor. I am not knowledgeable about motors but I thought 120 was the biggest. If I am wrong then I am running normally. lol
There were two version, one was a 120ST for the the street with a milder cam and then the 120R which had a more aggressive cam and not throttle body. These were crate engines only and they were never offered in a kit for other engines.
I had a Slim S which came with the 110 motor. That thing was so hot it would almost scorch my legs in traffic. I would think a 117 would be even worse. That bike was the last straw that sent me to Moto Guzzi.
The biggest issue with the twin cam was with factory tuning how lean they had to run, that started with 96 and then the 103 and 110 made the issue worse. However you get a good aftermarket tune that actually fuels the bike it will cool off quite a bit.
What year was your engine? The early models had issues with tensioners coming apart and blocking oil passages. I did heard of some cases when with the high runout on the 2003 and newer bikes having some oil pump issues.
@@GixxerFoo It wasn't anything other than the oil pump in the beginning. The Harley shops told me when they redid my engine it was the oil pump that failed. They said this was common. Also the cam bearings were going on the early twin cams and taking out the entire motor. You can't tell me what a great motor they were.
@@douce3623 lmao. Only problem with the tc88 was the chain cam tensioners. Upgrade cam plate and oil pump or just go geared and never worry about the shoes again and that motor will run forever.
I have no idea about any of those engines because both of my twin cam bikes are primarily stock 88’s with the stage one air filters and both my 99 superglide and 04 ultra have high torque cams in them but I sure wouldn’t mind doing either a 103 or 110 kit in them so I can build a mild street/strip bike with the superglide and take it to the track once in a while but money is the major hindrance there
@@GixxerFoo I have an 88 2003 road king. If I do anything to it, I am considering the 100 inch kit. Fuel Moto doesn't list their kit right now. Maybe an S&S some day.
Its funny I saw these types of debates after the twin cam came out and Evo owners claimed their motor was the best and before them the Shovelhead guys did the same for Evo's LOL, but if the aftermarket and MoCo supplies them well at the time they all had a good argument, freedom of choice is a great thing.
That's the beauty of Harley in a lot of ways is there's that freedom to choose what engine and you can build it how you like. At the same time you can say how unharley everyone else's engine is and how your engine has the most soul.
My brother had a 17 Dyna Low S with the Stage 4 117....if you didn't hold onto the bike....it would have shot you off with a slight twist of the throttle.
Be careful!!! 117 is the gateway to 124! Thats what Happened to me! 2016 FLSTFBS started its life as a 110 fatty then it was like 2k for a 117 bolt on kit boom!! Ditch the 259E for TTS150s then hey why not slap some 4.625 stroker DH crank for more... more.... more... shes apart AAAgain for MORE After running Star Racing 650 cams at 132T 146HP CycleRama has me intrigued. Wifes getting ready to leave me but damn this bike is awesome! Just be careful, is all im saying. 😮
They do tend to run a bit hotter, but with a good synthetic oil and an oil cooler and a "non epa compliant tune" that's actually going to fuel the bike it will run a lot cooler.
i ride a 2012 fatboy, with a 103. wouldnt cost about the same to buy a crashed bike with the desired engine? put the 103 on the shelf, install the factory 110 / 117 and go? i already have the v&h big radius, and the dynajet on my bike. i admit i dont know what the box is set for. around town, keeping it 60mph or less, it can get 43mpg, but at 80 it's 35mpg. have had this bike since may 2020, have put almost 12,000 miles on it. only 29,000 miles on it now. shelfing the 103 means i have a backup to the scream'n eagle.
I'm currently in the process of taking my 103 to 117... im praying for great results. I had 103 to 110 and the crank broke took out lots of stuff.. So now im going balls deep with the crazy horse crank s&s 117 , my cams are woods 999-6 and high performance heads . I'll have it back from my builder in a few weeks . Can't wait !
The Twin Cam is tried and true and we know a lot of the issues and what to do. The M8 sumping issue still really hasn't been fully solved to where I would say they are good to go. It's better but not quite there yet.
Can anyone tell me what the maximum Twin Cam engine size would be that allows for a direct bolt-on installation on a 2003 Road King? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.
The S&S Sidewinder kit is a bolt on 100 inch cylinder and piston setup. That's the best you can get without splitting the cases and swapping the crank.
98 ci .... 95 ci with over the counter parts ... make a very nice runner .. 95 to 100 horses with 570 cams good .. compression exhaust. 9.8 compression .
Depends how far you want to go, breaking it down for a crank swap you can do as big as you want up to say 124. As far as bolt on S&S makes the Sidewinder 100 inch kit or could bore your cylinders out and get as big as a 98.
@@mikespencer9913dont be afraid of cams, i put woods 555s in with a thundemax and tbr 2-1 and my bike rips compared to stock,,also have a larger throttle body
Bro will you please stop hating on M8 motors dang! It's progress... And the are reliable and strong! I bet you don't hate your giant flat screen TV that's also progress ya feel me? Does your TV blow up?... Uh no.
You can actually get as much as a 107 out of boring your cylinders on the 103. Make no mistake, a 107 will make big power with the right compression and cams.
Yeah, that HD SE 117 kit is a dog considering all the components, money & work...😉 Way Better numbers simply installing Zippers 587 (designed for the CVO110) and D&D 2/1.
@@GixxerFoo No big 4 but still real reliable. I really have problems with 2024 HD owners. No riders, no bikers, ... owners. Posing, revving, talking about HP (the only bike spec they know), ... just kids. My last HD was a Evo and i will never buy a newer engine. After 120 years stealing technology, HD is still not able to build a descent engine that can stay in the frame for 100K km. Yes, maybe the German designed V Rod... 🤪
Because if you're going to take a 103 bore out the case 🤦🏾♂️ it's a waste of money you might as well do a 124 same amount of work put more power 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
To build a 88/103 Twincam to 117 would cost more then a new 124/127 motor you can buy from Ultima/S&S/Revzilla/ etc. This of course would only matter if you wanted to keep your original engine.
Swapping engines can get really interesting with registration and paper work, but absolutely it's usually cheaper to swap the engine unless you do the build yourself.
Agree 1000% Even if you bought a motor to bore out the cases, making the power with that 117 requires a whole lot of specific parts that must be nice to, and play well with one another. Even if that happens, there's no guarantee how long it will last.
@GixxerFoo swaping engine has no effect on anything after 1975. Bikes are titled to frame not engine. But i built a 100 inch 05 in my fatboy. Pretty bad ass
Just did the 117 top end kit from Suburban, Harley 4 1/8 cylinders and Mahle dome pistons, My engine began life as a mild 103. Then got cases bored and we went to 4.060 bore and 113. The 117 just made 131 lb/ft and 139 hp with a 630 DM cam and ported and milled 110 heads. It's at about 11.5 static.
Harley Davidson & Reliable in the same sentence? 😂 Granted, I've been riding these turds my whole life and the only way they're reliable is by doing all of the right upgrades and shelling out money to make it reliable
Three years ago I bought a 2003 Road King with 13,000 miles on it. and it now has 35,000 miles on it. and nothing breaks. maybe it's not a real Harley, maybe it's Japanese??? ))))) tuning it not because it breaks, but because I like doing it. I agree the motorcycle is far from the modern concept of ideal. but I like him.
🛑🛑 I converted my 110 on my 2016 CVO Ultra Limited, to a 117. It’s a Stud!💯 It’s a Torque Monster, perfect for 2 up riding, and it can hold its own against the Milwaukee 8’s. 💯👍 I say, if you have the money, it’s money well spent. 👍💯
I have the 2002 TC with the hotforged crankshaft, rebuild from the 88ci to 103ci with the stage IV kit. Result in 107hp and 162nm torque. My HD will give any M8 a run for the money. Cant see it from the outside. Still looks like any 2002TC with 58hp . . . . 😁😁
They actually never made a crate motor in the 117, just the Screamin Eagle kit. The crate motors offered were the 120ST and 120R, basically the same motor just different cams and the 120R didn't come with a throttle body.
I would say I am not opposed to doing 117 conversions but I’ve had such a great experience building my TC88 to 95ci and that thing has been bulletproof that I am skeptical about larger bores. My 21 RKS I just did the S&S 475 Cam Kit and it’s been plenty powerful. (Lucky I haven’t got a speeding ticket!) I do think it’s interesting TC build but I am not sure about it being cost effective vs just buying like an S&S 124.
My plan for my 110 is the 117 kit with gear drive, and screaming eagle compensator, and polished heads, or buying the screaming eagle ones you just mentioned, because I didn't know they had them. I need a good sit down with a good engine builder, for sure. I'm not seeking maximum power, rather the most reliable power. The 117 kit has stuff in it, that i won't need, so is it better to purchase items separately? I already have stage 2 with 585 cams, but changing to gear drive, I must change those cams, don't I?
The full kit using reusing your heads runs about $2500 bucks, you can get the cylinders and pistons in a kit from S&S for about 1400. That way you can use your own cams, lifters and other choices of parts you want.
I took my 2002 FXDX 88" out to 117". Used an S&S crank, S&S barrels which needed turning down to match std barrel length, Mahle flat tops, S&S 625 easy starts in a later model camplate and oil pump, HQ ported heads, Mikuni 45, S&S IST ignition, Primo Rivera clutch, std exhaust headers with decored std mufflers, I just prefer the look of the original exhaust and it souunds great without being obnoxious. Only SE parts are the adjustable pushrods. I've never had it on a dyno but I would be surprised if it made less than 120hp, no noticeable heat from the engine and I've never bothered to change the jetting that came with the carb and no $1000 tuner to get it to run right.
I was going to rebuild my '04 from the ground up when I retired. I spent 2 years researching all the best ways to do it. I had decided to let Baxter do the 117 for me while I focused on all the rest. Eventually I decided not to do all that work and just buy a '16 model with the 103. Now, all the things that I wanted to do to the '04, I find myself wanting to do to the '16. ☹
Great video. Definitely a unique engine that I would like install in a 07-09 Night Train. Quick question is there a dimensional size difference between 96B/103B crankcase and 110B production crankcase, or is the only difference the boring of the case to accept the 117 bolt on kit. I called H-D and they informed that long block program production 110 engine (16200108 Twin Cam 110™ - Black*) they have for 07-17 soft tail models does not include the 07-09 Night Train. They stated that is will not fit in a 07-09 Night Train. Yet you call some Harley Dealerships and they say yes you can fit a 117 twin cam in a 07-09 Night Train. I would really like to hear your thoughts or an answer to put this puppy to bed.
I do believe they are about to move something water cooled, I hope they keep the air cooled looked and not make it solid looking like the Challenger without fins.
I have a 117” build that is about to go on the dyno this month finally. I did the following: 117” kit, Dave Mackie 598 cams, sent heads to Dave Mackie for head work, S&S roller rockers stock 1.625:1 ratio with woods performance billet offset rocker arm support, fueling head breathers, HPI 58mm TB, V2 intake, external breathers, 5.8 injectors, adjustable pushrods, fueling lifters, S&S cam plate and oil pump, man o war flywheel with Timken bearing conversion, SPF exhaust I wish I went gear drive cams but hopefully it makes some good power
No one likes this question, but why spend a fortune trying to get 115 hp out of these engines when you'd have to cut two plug leads off a metric to get it DOWN to this power?
I have a Twin Cam 103B converted to a 124B in my 2014 Fatty Lo. It’s funny as hell when one of the new M8’s decides to give me a go and gets his ass whooped. Lol
Was perfectly happy with my Stage 1 103B. Never even considered increasing CI.
The 117 screaming eagle bolt on kit for the 110 engines are JUNK. I did it and had nothing but problems with them; leaking all the time. I talked to Harley corporate about my problems and just wanted my money back for the kit and they refused! They don’t honor their products . I talked to several shops and they all said the same thing; they are junk and will have leaking problems unless you do crank case work done to make it a true 117! I decided to go back down to the 110 and made changes to the internal parts and tuning. Now I have no problems and runs better then when I had the bolt on 117 kit on. Just a side note, don’t bring your bike to a Harley dealership to get your work done. They are terrible. Go to an independent shop to get better work done and at a cheaper price!
Damn man l am sorry to hear Harley did you dirty like that and the kit didn't work out. Absolutely go to an independent shop to get.tour work done.
You must’ve had a bad mechanic at the Harley dealership. I had my 117 kit done at a local dealer knowing beforehand who was going to be working on the bike. I had the heads ported and SE cam plate and oil pump. Everything else was from the 117 kit. I let them use the Harley street tuner for the one year warranty and the bike came off the Dyno at 118/124 according to the Dyno sheet. That was two years ago and 30k miles ago. I recently bought a Fuel Moto programmed Power Vision and did three auto tunes . The bike pulls waaay better than with the street tuner. I wont put it on the rollers again as I’m not too keen on them. My seat dyno feels like about 122/128 and for a 83k mile twin cam it’s respectable and good enough for me. 2015 CVO road glide ultra. The takeaway is dumping all dealerships into the same “they suck” category doesn’t really hold true across the board and shouldn’t be posted since there’s a lot of people out there that consider internet posts as gospel. On that note Ive tried three Indy’s near me, actually four and they were all hacks so there’s that. Stripped bolts and drain plugs, burned up BCM and ECM just as a sample. Sure the labor price is better than Harley but the old adage “you get what you pay for “ seems to apply sometimes. At least for me. So now I went back to what I used to do 50 years ago and stop being lazy and doing most of my own work, in my garage, on the floor, according to spec and with all the correct torque values and I feel much better about what condition my bike is in. Sorry you had a bad experience with that kit and the dealership but it doesn’t hold true in every case.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Love your videos Gix!
I supposedly had a “master mechanic” working on my bike at Harley! My problems started only 500 miles after the build when I was getting my bike tuned ; leaking. That’s when my nightmare started. I was in the same Harley dealership for all of the repairs after since they did the build. I gave them the benefit of the doubt ! I was in the Harley dealership on an average of 2 times a year with leaking problems. This took place over 5 yrs. I got the feeling they got tired of me and eventually they did not take good care of my bike; scratching things, breaking things, parts put on wrong,etc. I got fed up them,so that is why I went directly to Harley corporate ! That’s when I changed my perception of Harley; not caring about their customer or honoring their products. You should know I have a 2014 CVO and take very good care of my bike and is very proud of it. After this nightmare, that is why I went to independent shops to get my work done and have been much happier with their care and work on my bike. When I do agree with you that you cannot say all dealerships are the same, where I live there are 3 dealerships by me and they all are not good, so I don’t have an option to go to a Harley dealership. When I went back down to the 110( because I already spent thousands of dollars for the build and would have costed me more to go to a true 117)it was cheaper to go down to the 110. I ported my heads, valve job, woods cams, KB forged pistons and other internal part changes, with power vision tuner ( had it dyno tuned). Now finally, it is not leaking and running great for the past 3 years. It is running the best it’s ever had. This is why I will only go to independent shops from now on. I do know there are good Harley dealership around the country, they’re just not around me. Also, how Harley corporate treated me, left a bad taste in my mouth with Harley . I wrote this to let people know there are options to get work done on your bike other than Harley dealerships. I also wanted to let people know, who are thinking about these bolt on kits, they don’t work unless you get crank case work done. This is my truth. Thank you for the replies
@@markmohler3739 If you can't do your own work, go back to your electric scooter. I'll buy you a vanilla soy latte.
I know, I'm heavy-trolling you because you are really whining a lot! Painting the kit and all Harley shop mechs as bad. OK you had a bad experience, but it seems as if your own inexperience and seeming entitlement cuz you've got the bucks for a "high-end" factory show bike have contributed to your problems.
Attitude is everything.
my t.c cam shoes went south on mine under warranty. local harley threw a bunch of junk parts into my motor and shoved it out the door. I went to an independent after my warranty was up. he laughed at all the crap parts that were in it. will never trust the local harley shop ever.
Kevin Baxter converts a lot of twin cams to a 117 and he says it’s like having big block Chevy that revs like a small block!
That's exactly what they are!! It's a really good spot to land with a twin cam in a larger displacement.
Here my thoughts. I'm not sure about the M8's. The twins are good motors. I've got 88 and it's stock with touring cams. Good enough for me. I'm planning on getting a 14 to 16 bike next year when my budget allows it. I've been on a 103 and that has enough power for me. I'll won't mind doing some up grades like cams and pipes and air cleaner. If I get one with lots of miles then I'll consider doing major upgrades and keep it reliable without compression releases and mild compression for pump gas and a good tune. I care about how loud it is and having a good cam sound and it gets up and go. Don't care about have a very fast bike. Boring cases isn't want I care to do. I enjoy your videos and thanks for making them.
Thank you for the support!! Case boring is a lot of work and it takes time to get it tore down and reassembled, not to mention the cost.
I rode a 110 CI Screaming Eagle w/ SE heads that was done right, Woods cams, carburetor conversion with air cleaner and up graded exhaust.....peppy was an understatement
Oh man you throw wood cams in there with heads and some higher compression they will haul.
There's been a 117 sitting on Marketplace near me for $3k for a while now. The 103 in my Road Glide is getting close to 100k miles, and that 117 keeps getting more tempting.
Go to harley and get a 135 if you’re looking for displacement
@@jasonkav 103 is a TC , 135 is M8 ..
@@jasonkav 135 wouldn't fit in my bike, it's an M8 and mine is a Twin Cam. Granted, fabbing up motor and trans mounts wouldn't be that hard....
You’re right you don’t see a lot of 117 twin cams.
I also don’t see a lot of 110 Slim S! That’s why I love my 16FLSS every bike night or bike show I am always
looking and don’t see them and if I do find a slim it’s either the 103TC or a 107M8. hopefully this year I can do the stage II cams 585. But if I ever have to rebuild my engine I might do that 117 kit. The 110 is definitely a fun ride. I can only imagine the one 117 kit..
You don't see a lot of S models that aren't the Low Rider... you rarely see a Slim S or a Fat Boy S. That 117 conversion on those 110's is pretty rare.
Good stuff gixx..,look forward to your videos down here on a Saturday morning in nz ...cheers😊
So my video come out Saturday morning for you?! Interesting, cause I release them at 2 PM on a Friday here in Oklahoma. That's pretty cool! Well good morning and happy Saturday to you!
I really like your shows keep up the good work 👏 👍
Thank you! I appreciate the support!
I love my 103. I wouldn’t mind building it bigger when I need to rebuild it. 68,688 miles on that bad boy and running strong!
I would just keep on doing what you're doing and see how long she will run!
@@GixxerFoo It is the focal point of my channel, upgrades will always be something I’ll be doing to add some spice!!! lol but man I love my 103 Twin Cam. The Thunder Max tuner made a big improvement, the difference is very noticeable.
@@GixxerFoo It is the focal point of my channel, upgrades will always be something I’ll be doing to add some spice!!! lol but man I love my 103 Twin Cam. The Thunder Max tuner made a big improvement, the difference is very noticeable.
Yes Sir I agree ..
do it right and build it from the bottom up 👍I went 96cc to a107cc all aftermarket parts and build by a shop.Thanks for your posts
I've realized that I like my engines under stressed and over-engineered. I'll take a beefed up crank and upgraded crank bearings but I'll leave the bore alone.
You could add some displacement with the crank upgrade without having anything to worry about!
As tempting the 117 is. I'm leaning towards the 107 muscle kit from zippers with similar numbers
You would get much better parts and it would be a lot less work, the Zippers kits perform.
Good stuff. Personally I’d opt to the M8 to keep current with the newer platform and available features. Thanks for the information it was good stuff for the person that has a twin cam and wants to stay with it.
The M8's aren't bad motors at all and it's incredible the kinda power they are making with just cam swaps. They respond so well to power upgrades, they are excellent engines but keeping them from sumping can be a challenge sometimes.
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Much appreciated!! Thank you for the support!
I have never seen a 117. Interesting. I have seen a 110. Seems like back in the day there was a 113 stroker kit available for the Twin Cam 88. Also seems like I remember there being a crate 120 available in street and race versions.
Absolutely there used to be a 113 kit! Harley used to have some really cool Screamin Eagle parts years ago. There was a 120 ST and a 120 R, the 120 ST had a milder cam but was otherwise internally the same engine as the 120R.
I just did my 110 Eagle. Went with the S&S branch and O’Keefe did the heads I kept it a 110 bumped up the compression S&S chess with woods cams. It’s not crazy but respectable it’s 118 hp 122 torque quite a difference to Ride from my 80 hp 110. And that’s rear wheel horsepower on what Harley says from the crank.
That's awesome! I think a lot of people forget about what compression and free flowing heads will do with their current displacement.
I also did a 58 mm throttlebody and I have to thank you. I started looking at the woods cams and O’Keefe recommended. TW-9-6 Night prowler . I put the Dino sheet up for you but no way on here. I’m making good power torque for 110 10.1 compression well he deck heads so it’s probably a little more than that. Will ride around 120- 121 horse bar and torque. Not bad that’s real numbers to the rear wheel. Thanks I enjoy your stuff.
I bought a 2003 screamin eagle 1550 softail deuce last spring with 2400 actual miles on it. I went through everything and serviced it. It hauls for what it is and I like it, what would be a good wood cam to put in it. I’ve already tuned it with my power vision. It doesn’t run like my 131 triglide but I’d like you to get a little more out of it since I’m going to upgrade the cam plate and tensioners with hydraulic ones. Thanks love you vids.
Nothing wrong at all with those 95's, they are pretty fun to ride! You put a 131 in a tri-glide?! I haven't seen that yet! I bet that things hauls and surprises a lot of people!
I have the FM 110 kit on my original 96 that was a 103 for a short time. I didn’t want to mess with the boring the cases so went as large as I could with that limiting factor. It does have the other Darkhorse treatment though. :)
There's nothing wrong with the 110 kits, they lay down plenty of power!
Enjoy the content. Keep it going!
I have a 16 Ultra with heavy breather, VH FP3, and VH pipes. I may eventually get the VH headpipe, but right now the bike is super smooth. Plenty of power. Reliable, and just fun to ride. Im just building the stereo to really get it loud and clear. Will be a 6 speaker system with no loss of any bag space.
How much more power do i really need outbof the 103.? Thoughts?
The 103 does really well with a air cleaner, exhaust and a tune. If you want a decent power bump adding a cam is one of the more budged friendly ways to bump the torque up around 100 ft lbs and get horsepower in the mid 90's.
@gixerfoo I'm considering the Wood Tw222 for my 13 Road Glide Ultra. Kit will be purchased from FuelMoto. Is that a good kit for overall HP and torque? Of course already have heavy breather, gutted cat, and PV3 tuner
My builder who’s been racing for 50 years won’t build a 103 to 110 says the pickets are to thin. He’s doing a lot of 103’s with 120hp on the dyno.
That's a lot of the issue is getting into cylinder wall and cylinder spigot thickness. You loss that even when you cut meat off the cases to make it all fit.
I just traded in my 09 RG for a 17 fxdls with the 117 kit already installed. It's bitchin!
Those 117 kits are no slouch, with the right compression and cams they put out just as much as the even bigger kits!
The first owner of my CVO Ultra Classic Electra Glide Anniversary installed the SE117 kit at 60k miles. When I bought it from the dealer that installed the kit it actually has a blown head gasket that I didn’t catch until I was out of the 1000 mile warranty. I changed the Cometic gasket myself. I also tuned it properly and swapped the mufflers out. It already had the V&H power dual header. I also did an external breather. Swapped the plugs for NGK iridium’s and she’s running great. When the time comes I will probably have Skunkworx build me a 124. Still might upgrade the cam chest and go with a different cam. I’m happy and have almost 81k miles and 21k miles on the kit. Also there are 2 different part numbers. One regular and one race kit. I have the latter. Cheers.
Sounds like you've got a really nice setup there! That's exactly what I love about a Harley is you can keep on upgrading and changing as much as you like!
I did a 95cu to a 106 (bored to 107) 05 Road Glide with an S@S hot kit for Twin Cam. Had the SE heads ported with raised ports and bee hive springs, S@S.625 ez start cams, roller rockers, 2-1 D@D Borezilla, Master Tune 2, 50mm TBI and 5.7 injectors. It dynoed at 120 hp and 124 tq. not too bad for a "little" 107. It buries130mph no problem.
@ 5 second mark is Evo motor. Takes a keen eye to know the difference.
Good catch!! I love to put little details in and see if anyone catches it!
@@GixxerFoo I'm they guy. LOL
Twinkies have a 360° silver ring at the base of their cylinders.
@@kennethwise7108they're all slow broken down trash regardless which one you get
@El_Peto Yep, I've had BMWs and if you wanna go fast and have reliably that's gonna be your best bet IMO.
@@kennethwise7108 I have a gsxr 1000 and Hayabusa. Never had to do a repair on either for the last 10 years. Somehow a slow garbage Harley can't make it puttering down the road
I like my 96 as is.
Nothing wrong with that!
I have a 2008 Electra Glide with a 96”. I’ll leave it stock , runs great.
I didn't even know they made one. Do you have a cam preference over the rs 468 or the 22xe? I'm torn on which one to pair with a D&D 2-1 on my 117. Just curious what your thoughts were. I ride mostly in the 2500-3000 range
They definitely weren't super well known at all but they do exist. I find it really hard to beat the 22xe anywhere in the rpm range. It really tends to outperform every other cam out there at any given rpm.
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Good video Gixx I've never heard of a SE117 kit, but my question to you is this .Why wouldn't you just go to a 120R or a 110 stage 5 tire shredder kit? or is that what they call the tire shredder kit? a SE117? your thoughts?. Cheers from the Great White North
The tire shredder kit was a 110 kit, honestly in the end just swapping to a 120R is actually cheaper.
I got a 110SE CVO softail springer that I Believe is going to get the Upgrade!!! But it’s only got 13k miles and I Fully Enjoy it like it is BUT!!!! Enjoy the videos, great content, keep em coming!!!❤❤
You don't see a lot of those Softail Springers as it is, especially the CVO model!
Can you do a video about upgrading an 88 CI carb model? I have an 01 Fatboy (FLSTF) that I would like to get more out of, but want to keep the reliability.
That's not a bad idea, it's pretty straight forward and easy on the carb bikes!
zippers performance makes a 117 engine kit with ported heads and big cams i have it on a 2007 softail.
That's the way to go and get the heads done at the same time. The SE kit reusing the stock heads more or less just kills the power output. I bet your Zipper's Kit hauls!
@@GixxerFoo Yes it goes very fast big cams thank you for your channel i like the way you do it.
So I really like the Evos. I ride sportsters, so the 1200 is about as max as I go. I would have thought it would be easier and less $$s to have a more reliable low-tech powerhouse rather than something that wont work because the computer says "No".
Just my thoughts...
I love my Sportster, it's my ride of choice... but if you wanna get some more out of it there is Hammer's 1275 bolt on. getting horsepower in the mid 80's to low 90's is pretty dang easy, even with their cam swaps.
I'm confused! I could have swore that there was a 120 ci twin cam motor. I am not knowledgeable about motors but I thought 120 was the biggest. If I am wrong then I am running normally. lol
There were two version, one was a 120ST for the the street with a milder cam and then the 120R which had a more aggressive cam and not throttle body. These were crate engines only and they were never offered in a kit for other engines.
When I break my motor down, I got the 110 2016 Fatboy S I’m a throw a set of 117’s on it and do the low and crank thank you
I had a Slim S which came with the 110 motor. That thing was so hot it would almost scorch my legs in traffic. I would think a 117 would be even worse. That bike was the last straw that sent me to Moto Guzzi.
The biggest issue with the twin cam was with factory tuning how lean they had to run, that started with 96 and then the 103 and 110 made the issue worse. However you get a good aftermarket tune that actually fuels the bike it will cool off quite a bit.
Ive had a side valve, a pan head, shovel heads, an evo and the only motor that failed was a twin cam. Their oil pumps would fail.
What year was your engine? The early models had issues with tensioners coming apart and blocking oil passages. I did heard of some cases when with the high runout on the 2003 and newer bikes having some oil pump issues.
@@GixxerFoo It wasn't anything other than the oil pump in the beginning. The Harley shops told me when they redid my engine it was the oil pump that failed. They said this was common. Also the cam bearings were going on the early twin cams and taking out the entire motor. You can't tell me what a great motor they were.
I had an 88 start scattering at 30k.. went back to evo and never looked back
Good Man Douce
@@douce3623 lmao. Only problem with the tc88 was the chain cam tensioners. Upgrade cam plate and oil pump or just go geared and never worry about the shoes again and that motor will run forever.
I have no idea about any of those engines because both of my twin cam bikes are primarily stock 88’s with the stage one air filters and both my 99 superglide and 04 ultra have high torque cams in them but I sure wouldn’t mind doing either a 103 or 110 kit in them so I can build a mild street/strip bike with the superglide and take it to the track once in a while but money is the major hindrance there
Nothing wrong with a nice cam in an 88 for a little extra push there!
If you want to go all out, sure. I'm happy with mine the way it is.
Nothing wrong at all with just leaving it where it's at!
@@GixxerFoo I have an 88 2003 road king. If I do anything to it, I am considering the 100 inch kit. Fuel Moto doesn't list their kit right now. Maybe an S&S some day.
Its funny I saw these types of debates after the twin cam came out and Evo owners claimed their motor was the best and before them the Shovelhead guys did the same for Evo's LOL, but if the aftermarket and MoCo supplies them well at the time they all had a good argument, freedom of choice is a great thing.
That's the beauty of Harley in a lot of ways is there's that freedom to choose what engine and you can build it how you like. At the same time you can say how unharley everyone else's engine is and how your engine has the most soul.
They all had a good argument for what would be leaking, broken down, and overheated while being some of the slowest garbage on the road
My brother had a 17 Dyna Low S with the Stage 4 117....if you didn't hold onto the bike....it would have shot you off with a slight twist of the throttle.
Those S models were pretty quick with the 110 in there and l.jave no doubt that 117 made it a real handful!
I got a 2016 fatboy s with the 117. 23000 miles. Rode it from virginia to sturgis and back in 2022.
Be careful!!! 117 is the gateway to 124! Thats what Happened to me! 2016 FLSTFBS started its life as a 110 fatty then it was like 2k for a 117 bolt on kit boom!! Ditch the 259E for TTS150s then hey why not slap some 4.625 stroker DH crank for more... more.... more... shes apart AAAgain for MORE After running Star Racing 650 cams at 132T 146HP CycleRama has me intrigued. Wifes getting ready to leave me but damn this bike is awesome! Just be careful, is all im saying. 😮
I’m curious about the amount of heat that would be generated from 117.
Everything comes at a price
They do tend to run a bit hotter, but with a good synthetic oil and an oil cooler and a "non epa compliant tune" that's actually going to fuel the bike it will run a lot cooler.
That is definitely the down side, you gotta give something up for something else.
I’ve seen one but, it was an S&S
I haven't seen a bunch of S&S engines out there but you'll know it when you hear one, they sound good!
That almost sounds like the 110 tire shreader kit I did to my 103..
It's pretty close, that tire shredder kit is no joke!
I see one in my garage everyday.
Nothing wrong with that!
Same!
Haha. As do I 👍👍
I'll be looking for one
I don’t need to spend that kind of money to go a little faster.
Nothing wrong with just enjoying the bike the way it is!
What could be better that a 20 year old bike blowing a new one into the weeds!!
That's my absolute favorite thing about building these Twin Cam engines!
i ride a 2012 fatboy, with a 103. wouldnt cost about the same to buy a crashed bike with the desired engine?
put the 103 on the shelf, install the factory 110 / 117 and go?
i already have the v&h big radius, and the dynajet on my bike.
i admit i dont know what the box is set for. around town, keeping it 60mph or less, it can get 43mpg, but at 80 it's 35mpg.
have had this bike since may 2020, have put almost 12,000 miles on it. only 29,000 miles on it now.
shelfing the 103 means i have a backup to the scream'n eagle.
oh yeah, not interested in an m8. would buy a new fatboy if i was.
Love your content! Hello from Saskatchewan Eh!
I hope you're about ready to get out and ride! Where you're at is somewhere you have to winterize your bike.
Would you bore your cases to make your 103 a 117 or even buy a Ebay special Screamin Eagle 110 to convert to a 117?
I'm currently in the process of taking my 103 to 117... im praying for great results. I had 103 to 110 and the crank broke took out lots of stuff.. So now im going balls deep with the crazy horse crank s&s 117 , my cams are woods 999-6 and high performance heads . I'll have it back from my builder in a few weeks . Can't wait !
Would rather stick to my twin cam than go to a m8 right now .
The Twin Cam is tried and true and we know a lot of the issues and what to do. The M8 sumping issue still really hasn't been fully solved to where I would say they are good to go. It's better but not quite there yet.
That would really make my Triglide get up and go
I talked to a guy the other day that has a newer M8 Triglide that he converted to the M8 131... I was like 😮
Can anyone tell me what the maximum Twin Cam engine size would be that allows for a direct bolt-on installation on a 2003 Road King? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.
S&S have a 100ci bolt on cylinder kit.
The S&S Sidewinder kit is a bolt on 100 inch cylinder and piston setup. That's the best you can get without splitting the cases and swapping the crank.
That S&S kit is awesome!
Feedback is much appreciated. Thanks!
98 ci ....
95 ci with over the counter parts ... make a very nice runner .. 95 to 100 horses with 570 cams good .. compression exhaust. 9.8 compression .
What would be the biggest engine I could do on my 02 Dyna Lowrider
Depends how far you want to go, breaking it down for a crank swap you can do as big as you want up to say 124. As far as bolt on S&S makes the Sidewinder 100 inch kit or could bore your cylinders out and get as big as a 98.
I have a 03 fatboy that was a 88 its now a 124 stroker cost me bout 7000
It's actually cheaper to swap in a Screamin' Eagle120.
It really is by the time you.pay the labor on all the machine work and assembly.
Is it possible,to take a 96 case and put the 117 fm kit in it?
I figured someone would ask, it absolutely is with the cases being bored out. 96 is the same stroke just with smaller bore cylinders than the 103.
Yeah, I've been 'ho-hum' about other "upgrades", but THIS ONE sounds reallllly interesting!
@@mikespencer9913dont be afraid of cams, i put woods 555s in with a thundemax and tbr 2-1 and my bike rips compared to stock,,also have a larger throttle body
alphaperformanceengines.com.au/2008-fxcwc-96-117/
I've only seen one 117 TC. It belonged to a Harley salesman.
One of the ones I saw was from a guy in parts at my local dealer, he took one and had it built into 117 too.
Bro will you please stop hating on M8 motors dang! It's progress... And the are reliable and strong! I bet you don't hate your giant flat screen TV that's also progress ya feel me? Does your TV blow up?... Uh no.
I don't hate the M8 at all, there's just some reoccurring issues with those motors that are tough to nailed down. But it's not a bad motor at all.
It was girls bike. And since she was about 135lbs at the most the damn thing was crazy fast
Harley will surprise people who don't think they can be fast!
Another rare bolt on is the M8 107-119
It really is! You don't see many of those at all, I've seen some 114 to 122's but I can't say I have seen a 119.
I have a Jim's racing 131 twin cam
Those are some bad boys, anything not Harley in a big displacement Twin Cam like that is highly recommended.
I would bore the 103 sounds badass
You can actually get as much as a 107 out of boring your cylinders on the 103. Make no mistake, a 107 will make big power with the right compression and cams.
Just go back to carbureted
That would simplify life so much it wouldn't even make sense cause it's not complicated at all.
If you’re going to spend that much money on it why not get a 124 kit from s&s
Pretty much, today's video is gonna highlight why you want to do just that and skip the Screamin Eagle parts, especially the cams.
Yeah, that HD SE 117 kit is a dog considering all the components, money & work...😉
Way Better numbers simply installing Zippers 587 (designed for the CVO110) and D&D 2/1.
The compression needs to be a little higher and the cams really don't do the displacement justice.
How about a 113 twin cam se
You don't hear much about those these days, that was from back when the Screamin Eagle catalog had some actual race parts!
Call me crazy but if you're going to spend that kind of money on a 117 just bore the case's and go 120 or 124 . My 2 cents
Nothing wrong with that, it's not crazy it all cost about the same to get it done!
All so complicated to get a fiew HP. Just buy a Rocket3
Rocket 3 is an absolute beast!
@@GixxerFoo No big 4 but still real reliable. I really have problems with 2024 HD owners. No riders, no bikers, ... owners.
Posing, revving, talking about HP (the only bike spec they know), ... just kids.
My last HD was a Evo and i will never buy a newer engine. After 120 years stealing technology, HD is still not able to build a descent engine that can stay in the frame for 100K km.
Yes, maybe the German designed V Rod... 🤪
Sounds like a lot of time and money to find the next weak link…. Just saying
It's for sure recommended for a lower mile engine or if you're going completely through a motor.
this guy is Japan Dong rider. talking about USA bikes
Well the way things are going we aren't gonna be able to do a lot anymore my friend.
Because if you're going to take a 103 bore out the case 🤦🏾♂️ it's a waste of money you might as well do a 124 same amount of work put more power 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Honestly the cost difference isn't too far apart either, go big or leave it alone.
96 big enough for me 😊❤
Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all, sometimes just riding it and enjoying it is all that matters.
I never seen one
Seen 124r and 131r TC
But those are long blocks not SE shit
It's really disappointing how crappy the SE stuff is for what it cost. It's better than stock but it is for sure not where it needs to be.
Garbage, my built sportster will out run a full stage 3 117, 😂😂 it's so funny
That right there is exactly why I love the Sportster!
To build a 88/103 Twincam to 117 would cost more then a new 124/127 motor you can buy from Ultima/S&S/Revzilla/ etc. This of course would only matter if you wanted to keep your original engine.
Swapping engines can get really interesting with registration and paper work, but absolutely it's usually cheaper to swap the engine unless you do the build yourself.
Agree 1000% Even if you bought a motor to bore out the cases, making the power with that 117 requires a whole lot of specific parts that must be nice to, and play well with one another. Even if that happens, there's no guarantee how long it will last.
@GixxerFoo swaping engine has no effect on anything after 1975. Bikes are titled to frame not engine. But i built a 100 inch 05 in my fatboy. Pretty bad ass
Just did the 117 top end kit from Suburban, Harley 4 1/8 cylinders and Mahle dome pistons, My engine began life as a mild 103. Then got cases bored and we went to 4.060 bore and 113. The 117 just made 131 lb/ft and 139 hp with a 630 DM cam and ported and milled 110 heads. It's at about 11.5 static.
Damn that's frickin awesome on a Twin Cam! I imagine it's hard to stay out of the throttle on that bike now!
Long as she’s good to me, i don’t care about the HP.. that’s not why I love her
Just keeping up on the maintenance and going over them goes a long ways!!
Amen to that,I’m not touching my 88B,she’s my cruiser/touring baby
@@GixxerFoo happy bike, happy life.. wife will be fine
Harley Davidson & Reliable in the same sentence? 😂
Granted, I've been riding these turds my whole life and the only way they're reliable is by doing all of the right upgrades and shelling out money to make it reliable
I really hate to admit that myself but just nothing else feels like these damn things.
@@GixxerFoo very true! My wife loves the 900lb vibrator also 😜
Three years ago I bought a 2003 Road King with 13,000 miles on it. and it now has 35,000 miles on it. and nothing breaks. maybe it's not a real Harley, maybe it's Japanese??? ))))) tuning it not because it breaks, but because I like doing it. I agree the motorcycle is far from the modern concept of ideal. but I like him.
@sergeysamofalov677 yep, the ol' saying applies...
If it has tit$ or wheels...
🛑🛑 I converted my 110 on my 2016 CVO Ultra Limited, to a 117.
It’s a Stud!💯
It’s a Torque Monster, perfect for 2 up riding, and it can hold its own against the Milwaukee 8’s. 💯👍
I say, if you have the money, it’s money well spent. 👍💯
That's a killer setup right there on a CVO!
how about a 96" to a 110" kit. are the cylinders strong enough (thick enough) at the base to prevent cracking or warping ?
Yes the big bore cylinder spigots are heavily reinforced with high tensile strength steel.
I have the 2002 TC with the hotforged crankshaft, rebuild from the 88ci to 103ci with the stage IV kit.
Result in 107hp and 162nm torque. My HD will give any M8 a run for the money. Cant see it from the outside. Still looks like any 2002TC with 58hp . . . . 😁😁
That's awesome! There's a big difference in a factory 103 and a hot 103!
I’m just happy to be able to listen to your channel in almost a week in Cuba as there is practically no internet here ! lol.
Oh gosh! I been hearing there's are changing down there to say the least, hope you're doing well and staying safe!
@@GixxerFoo thanks buddy. Home now ! Actually saw an older Harley Duo Glide. What city are you in ? I’m just outside Edmonton Alberta, Canada.
Do they make a crate 117 cu inch crate motor.
They actually never made a crate motor in the 117, just the Screamin Eagle kit. The crate motors offered were the 120ST and 120R, basically the same motor just different cams and the 120R didn't come with a throttle body.
I would say I am not opposed to doing 117 conversions but I’ve had such a great experience building my TC88 to 95ci and that thing has been bulletproof that I am skeptical about larger bores.
My 21 RKS I just did the S&S 475 Cam Kit and it’s been plenty powerful. (Lucky I haven’t got a speeding ticket!)
I do think it’s interesting TC build but I am not sure about it being cost effective vs just buying like an S&S 124.
The S&S 124 is an absolute monster motor, nothing wrong with a 95 conversion. Those 95's run really hard!
My plan for my 110 is the 117 kit with gear drive, and screaming eagle compensator, and polished heads, or buying the screaming eagle ones you just mentioned, because I didn't know they had them. I need a good sit down with a good engine builder, for sure. I'm not seeking maximum power, rather the most reliable power. The 117 kit has stuff in it, that i won't need, so is it better to purchase items separately? I already have stage 2 with 585 cams, but changing to gear drive, I must change those cams, don't I?
The full kit using reusing your heads runs about $2500 bucks, you can get the cylinders and pistons in a kit from S&S for about 1400. That way you can use your own cams, lifters and other choices of parts you want.
I took my 2002 FXDX 88" out to 117". Used an S&S crank, S&S barrels which needed turning down to match std barrel length, Mahle flat tops, S&S 625 easy starts in a later model camplate and oil pump, HQ ported heads, Mikuni 45, S&S IST ignition, Primo Rivera clutch, std exhaust headers with decored std mufflers, I just prefer the look of the original exhaust and it souunds great without being obnoxious. Only SE parts are the adjustable pushrods. I've never had it on a dyno but I would be surprised if it made less than 120hp, no noticeable heat from the engine and I've never bothered to change the jetting that came with the carb and no $1000 tuner to get it to run right.
That's awesome to hear! You have an 88 that was build 100% correctly and you can't beat that at all!
Always like to hear what u have to say...
Thank you! I always enjoy spreading the gospel without and bs or trying to sell you something.
I was going to rebuild my '04 from the ground up when I retired. I spent 2 years researching all the best ways to do it. I had decided to let Baxter do the 117 for me while I focused on all the rest. Eventually I decided not to do all that work and just buy a '16 model with the 103. Now, all the things that I wanted to do to the '04, I find myself wanting to do to the '16. ☹
Great video. Definitely a unique engine that I would like install in a 07-09 Night Train. Quick question is there a dimensional size difference between 96B/103B crankcase and 110B production crankcase, or is the only difference the boring of the case to accept the 117 bolt on kit. I called H-D and they informed that long block program production 110 engine (16200108 Twin Cam 110™ - Black*)
they have for 07-17 soft tail models does not include the 07-09 Night Train. They stated that is will not fit in a 07-09 Night Train. Yet you call some Harley Dealerships and they say yes you can fit a 117 twin cam in a 07-09 Night Train. I would really like to hear your thoughts or an answer to put this puppy to bed.
Did my 103-110.
Now I'm getting ready to do sum modifications to my 2023 FXLRST 117...😅
S&S V124ci Evo
#EvoLife
124?! Now that's an Evo!
Copy that @@GixxerFoo128hp & 133ft/lb. Couple that to Jim's Fat Five Overdrive
I'm a big fan of the twin cam. I'd rather build mine that to just buy a big engine
I love a big twin cam engine! Just something about the two valve head, I really like it.
Jochen says it's time for yet another engine variant.
I do believe they are about to move something water cooled, I hope they keep the air cooled looked and not make it solid looking like the Challenger without fins.
@@GixxerFoo Too many variants makes for sooner OEM obsolescence. The junkyards will be full of today's bikes.
I have a 117” build that is about to go on the dyno this month finally. I did the following:
117” kit, Dave Mackie 598 cams, sent heads to Dave Mackie for head work, S&S roller rockers stock 1.625:1 ratio with woods performance billet offset rocker arm support, fueling head breathers, HPI 58mm TB, V2 intake, external breathers, 5.8 injectors, adjustable pushrods, fueling lifters, S&S cam plate and oil pump, man o war flywheel with Timken bearing conversion, SPF exhaust
I wish I went gear drive cams but hopefully it makes some good power
You've done everything right it sounds like! I think you'll be really happy with the results with that kind of work done!
No one likes this question, but why spend a fortune trying to get 115 hp out of these engines when you'd have to cut two plug leads off a metric to get it DOWN to this power?
I really felt that for years when it came to a Harley, but it's just a different ride and feel.
I have a Twin Cam 103B converted to a 124B in my 2014 Fatty Lo. It’s funny as hell when one of the new M8’s decides to give me a go and gets his ass whooped. Lol
Oh hell that 124 would stomp a mud hole in a M8 and walk it dry lmfao.