This Streamer Drama got so bad Twitch had to step in...
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Fair enough
Fair enough
OMEGALUL
Fair enough
You were right about the peaking...
Toast tweeted after this all went down and said “the country vs country format turned out spicer than expected, so next time ill be adjusting by having people squad up based on their religions instead” lmao
Add a bit of RP to that and I’d be down to watch that lol
@@gnoix1462 same xD
Crus-raids? instead of Crusades? I’ll show myself out
Spanish Inquisition let's goooooo
that would be amazing content
Who would’ve thought streamers would act like children. That’s never happened
Xqc being a legit man child
@@Miggggy op was being sarcastic, I believe
@@leizero so that would mean migits comment would line up with OPs
@@leizero Xqc is a garbage streamer though.
@@leizero I am giving the comment 3rd person
I feel like the real silver lining in all this is how supportive everyone is of the smaller Spanish streamers who were not throwing tantrums. Hopefully, events like this can still happen in the future with more good-natured participants.
Yeah, hopefully people like them can be the representatives of out community in the future, as a spanish speaking person, i feel dissapointed in how the leaders of the spain team handled the whole situation
well they need big streamers to acompany the small streamers, and legit every big streamer from the Spanish and LATAM team act like assholes even ALexby lol, ibai too like what
A lot of big name streamers need to be replaced in all languages. Englich speakers, german, spanish, french, etc. Same time. Maybe twitch should actually control an event
To be fair, "No raiding till the last couple hours", and , "no weapons besides pistols until tier 2 is unlocked", are the only rules you should really need in this type of Rust competition. Anything else would be micromanaging. The Spanish squad got cute with the twig exploit and then got sour after that didn't work out the way they wanted. Their time zone excuse is also weird considering 48 hours is still 48 hours in any time zone. NA just wanted it more, the hours they put in showed that.
only all the spanish streamer are from spain time zone isn't really an excuse cause spanish speakers are in nearly all timezone in the world from most of south america, mexico, phillipines, so on. Not knowing this event am don't know if the spanish team was all from spain or not.
Oh yeah I was wondering about this Timezone thing. I didn't watch the event but I'm curious because there are spanish streamers that are complaining about Timezone. Can't they play in their prime hours like NA can?
@@dogpoggers4819 No, that means half your team is never around because it's never total prime time, someone is always a zombie at that point, Spanish team got quite doomer from the first couple of hours due to the timezone stuff and the revolvers fiasco. So many just dropped in the first hours.
Imo, this entire thing seems abysmally planned, like actually could not have been planned any worse. They probably should have set times for when the server is active that work for both regions, and input stricter punishments for exploiting the rules of the competition. I have very little knowledge of this situation, but from my pov it seems like the english ruined this competition.
@@WPC799 It didn't need better planning it just needed more mature participants. The english community never broke a single rule but the spanish community did. If the Spanish streamers hadn't started crying because their twig walls crumbled from stray bullets (obviously) NA probably never would've even tried to find a loophole to get into their bases. The spanish literally came out the gate crying as usual. The spanish would've found a way to ruin the event no matter what, look how they acted during /r/place when France demolished them.
if xqc is representing us as "english speaking" we're fucked cuz that goblin speaks in tongues not english
So true 😂😂
This gave me a good laugh thanks so much 😭😭
Bruh 🤣
HAHA! Thanks for the laugh.
Still would have been fun to see him in a non-toxic argument with the Spanish-speaking side.
Omg😭😭😭
Talking about a “war brewing” in the streaming world is like being worried about toddlers fighting using ballistic missiles
internet drama is most of the time trash vs garbage ngl
People acting like ww3 is gonna be on twitch
Twitch and twitter are almost the same nowadays
Nah, it’s like toddlers fighting with pillows, no body cares lol
FACTS though
This channel is so nice, just feels like a cozy 1 person podcast where we can talk about streaming events without much bias. I enjoy seeing Ludwig having this freedom to have real talks with us
🤮bares
Me too, but where do you get your profile pic? Looks faintly familiar
@@phyokyawkhaing2251year late but my best guess is it’s from overwatch. Looks like an omnic monk guy
Late to the party, but it was quite the experience watching Surefour on the first and second days. He was a guy brought in, who knew barely anything about Rust and was just there to be a mercenary and have good aim. 1. Spain raided the NA base first, cleared the thing out and they had nothing. They also stole their Scrappy (Helicopter) after they crashed their own. Meanwhile, the spanish had more people who knew how to rush to get better weapons faster and farmed better (Which, legit, was good tactics) So while S4 and others were barely using crossbows and bows, they were raiding the NA base with pistols, shotguns and crossbows. The ONLY reason NA even got those weapons as early as they did, was good playing by the NA team to kill a raid group and TAKE those weapons from them. With THOSE stolen weapons, they went after NPC's in the underground trains and such and got better weapons. That was the only reason they got ahead, by using the Spanish teams own weapons against them. Then, when the NA team went in and tried to 'raid' the Spanish base (Somewhat in retaliation for them being raided very early on) Coco got in, didn't destroy anything and ended up a little stuck. The Spanish team cornered him and went to get Admin. Admin told him to drop all his loot and leave, which he did, but he shot one piece of the twig structure trying to get out and not walk right into the enemy team waiting for him. After this, the WHOLE Spanish team quit the server for about half an hour to 45 minutes, threatening to leave the game and complaining to Admin. (Even though Coco dropped everything, including what he came in with). Admin came back, made the Twigs invincible and made the '15 area' rule that couldn't be attacked (Which as you said, the Spanish completely ignored.) After a bit, the NA team stole the Scrappy (Which again, the Spanish team did to them really early on, crippling the team for a long while) and they again went crying to the Admin, as if it wasn't something totally legal in the rules and as if it wasn't something they had already done. Most of the NA team just took everything in stride with what actually happened in-game, mostly saying they were whiners. When the Spanish team got racist and childish in chat, the NA team certainly got childish and dumb too, but as for the in-game stuff? NA was pretty much taking everything in stride. Really sad how this played out.
you know shit's getting cringe when hjune and toast were disappointed about it, I mean they're the most patient and level headed players out there lmao
Yeah, like near the end they were getting annoyed of the 2 Spanish streamers.
@@350oven4 who were the Spanish streamers?
Yeah, I don't really watch HJune alot, but he seems pretty chill and nice guy
@@shathaan1763 alexby, and ricoy... they were joking about the n word and calling all of na retards which is a bannable word on twitch
and i think he didnt get banned for it
they're probably mad because hjune popped out his main character skill in the last raid lmao
Any streamers that during a twitch event literally send their chat to harass the opposing streamers, should just be blacklisted from all twitch organized events for a couple of months. It's been happening with so many events recently, it's just not okay and Twitch needs to implement a way to make sure that streamers stop doing it.
Wait...they don't have rules implemented against such thing? Madness. Twitch is even more degenerated than I thought.
Most of the time, the streamers don't send the viewers. The viewers do it on their own accord. The problem is the streamer not stopping it. When a streamer doesn't stop it and say it's not okay, that is a green light for the immature viewers to go harass people.
Who did that ?
@@WendifurTTV even if streamers tell viewers not to, viewers still hop.
@@brygs767 Way, way less do.
Streamers have a fuckton of influence over their viewers. If fucking XQC can create an icon that covers half of r/place using his viewers then normal streamers can control their audience into not going out of their way to harass people.
Not to mention, the people that go and harass others who mess with their own streamer are obviously among the more dedicated crowd, and the streamer is therefore especially influential to them.
Seems to me like the biggest controversy here is that xQc was classified as an English speaking streamer
If you want the communities to mingle, split both teams and put one half on either side. Let the English and Spanish streamers struggle to communicate and over the course of 48 hours either learn some of the language or develop ways to communicate and develop bonds with Spanish communities. Not only funny, but you don't have nationalist faction warfare, and some of the complaints of events during sleeping hours don't hold merit because half of the team is in the correct time zone.
I mean, countries can compete and have fun. The olympics has been going on for generations in (what is supposed to be) good faith.
It's all for fun. Some people take it too seriously, and those people should be banned.
Hopefully this teaches them a lesson so that any future events dont go like this. Must suck to put this much money and energy to set up an event only to end up like this.
Yep, and lesson learned will be to not invite any of the spanish streamers to an event ever again, and will now have their streams heavily watched by twitch staff for racism and other TOS violations. The morons just half killed their careers.
especially when alot of it could be avoided by taking the time to make/get a custom plugin to "enforce" certain rules. such as no structure damage in a specified area.
but as a company your expecting the people you "hire" to act to not act like babies
Agreed I hope toast learns from his mistakes for whatever event he plans next
It won't, as an Spanish living in NYC, they live off this type of content and drama, because they like to pisses people off, thats how most of the Spanish people are, their humor is also kinda dark and racist, i experienced it firsthand in school. For reference, look at the whole r/place thing which involved the Spanish streamers
Toast mentioned how him and Alex got into a call prior to the whole event where they talked to the admins and discuss what rules should be implemented, how the event would go. Alex talking about "I didn't know we could use revolvers" was bs because they started using the guns before team NA. Team NA only used guns because Spanish people were using them first.
Edit: Rennisaurus or whatever her name was even shown screenshots where they were given a list of items that were prohibited and there was no mention of pistols. They asked the admins if pistols were allowed and ultimately it was. It was fair game and the Spanish had the same list too!
“We’re to bad to win so we quit” sums it up
hJune is so level headed and rarely speaks out on stuff, the fact he was speaking out on this during his stream speaks volumes
Even theLegend27 has his limits.
Bro Hjune is the calmest person I’ve ever watched
hJune is the type of person to always just let things slide and move on without commenting on it. He's usually super patient and calm when things go wrong. So you know there's something wrong when he lost his mind by the end of the event.
@@sailormoonie11 -Now that I think about sleep deprivation was probably also a factor. How large of a factor? No idea I don’t watch the guy.-
Edit: Nvm thought he was the guy at 10:20 lol
@@sailormoonie11 You have to be when you play rust for a living
Besides feeling bad for the NA streamers who put in so many hours for a finale showdown; I also felt bad for the kind smaller Spanish streamers who had funny and nice interactions with the NA team. Nothing personal either, but the leaders on the Spanish team made a selfish decision and ended up ruining a rare opportunity for some of the other Spanish streamers who just wanted to have fun or grow their community. By being a larger streamer with a large and avid community, it leaves little room for the smaller streamers to disagree because there is always a fear of their own Spanish community rejecting them for looking like they aren't siding with their own country.
I am scared myself. Not sure if all streamers were from Spain or there were also from Latino America, but from here, I always like to interact with the English community.
But I'm scared of being seen as a bad person because of this.
Spanish community has been always toxic, and actually it used to be worst. I just hope those Spanish streamer that live on US or on an english speaking country could educated more to Spanish community because this EN vs SP thing is so ridiculous when you take in consideration that many viewers that support Spanish streamer actually live in non Spanish speaking countries. We all are here just to have fun is not a "language war".
@@TheCiShow dont worry only people with negative brain cells would think like that and thier opinions dont matter anyway
@@poggster6047 people from Spain are Spanish not Hispanic.
@@VoidedLynx by some definitions even the Portuguese and Brazilians are Hispanic, because they too descend from people who lived in one of the Roman provinces of Hispania
This thing reminded me of the alterac valley walk out by alliance in WOW because they "weren't winning". Now the map is very difficult for horde to overcome. It was a great video and hopefully another event like this will happen with smaller spanish speaking streamers instead of win-hungry streamers who are not comfortable with loss.
6:25 - Thanks for speaking to this, Ludwig. As a former admin of a community server, it was always a challenge to enforce the rules we did select given how few tools are available within the game proper. If Rust is going to have more of a future in esports it'll be crucial to develop tools and systems in order to productively manage.
As a Spanish viewer, I just wanted to remind everyone that we aren't all like the people that were at the center of the drama. I didn't watch the event or anything, but I'm guessing a lot of the smaller streamers also weren't pleased with their teammates. It sucks that they're bringing a bad name to the whole community.
the leaders were a big part of it.. but it was mostly the toxic viewers coming over with the complete racism and nonsense that never happened. Toast's stream after the event had a ban appeal segment and it was actually terrible and other streamers on the na side got death threats
Understood man. I imagine it’d be something like judging English viewers by the antics of xQc’s chat. Just keep enjoying the content you enjoy. Twitch is a wonderfully diverse place, but that can come with downsides too.
@@lackland4697 and I thought rp chat hoppers were bad but now chat hoppers in general are just not it.
I get that lumping in all Spanish people together is a no no but even alluding to the poor sportsmanship shown by the Spanish streamers playing in the event gets you called a racist for whatever reason. Oh well.
It would be like Jake Paul representing America
I want to clarify something. Being a Spanish speaker, I consider that several of the top streamers in Spain are not the brightest. Even in the Spanish community itself there are conflicts and friction relatively often.
Alexby11 particularly seems to me to be someone who cannot be a representative of anything or anyone since he seems to me to be childish to say the least. At least in my experience over the years.
I couldn't get his drop so fxxx him
I mean no matter what nationality you are, for some reason there is always a handful of top streamers that have a few screws loose...
@@wafflenovas true that. true that.
First language streamers always seem the worst. Not all of them but of those that are just toxic asshats the most prevalent group streams in their first language. "Foreign" english speakers for example tend to be a lot more mellow.
So Alexby is the xqc of Spain? The moniker would fit since frankly he's like q toddler when it comes to any problem solving.
I think it was a case of miscommunication and immaturity that blew things out of proportion and I recall at least a previous case of problems with rules in totally unrelated twitch events that mightve poisoned the well on the spanish side from the beggining. I sure hope future events can merge both communities in a better way cause that should be tons of fun. Really liked the video. Un saludo
Wouldn't be surprised if we see some bans from this in the near future, and I also wouldn't be surprised if the Spanish streamers don't get invited to any events for a long time
their first problem was choosing rust as a game to do this with. Rust has notoriously been bad for groups of streamers interacting
I disagree. In my opinion rust was the perfect game for it if only both sides kept the drama inside the game, and not cry about it to other platforms
@@yencytolentino4299 did u watch any of the otv server? Granted this wasnt some halfassed RP server so people cant complain about rules as much but rust has and always will be toxic
If all the streamers didn’t have huge egos and just played the game how it was intended then all the sneaking and stealing could have made some great content.
Oh I did, and there was a lot of drama, but the streamers were professional about it and shook hands in the end. Rust brings out the primitive side of people and IMO thats what makes it fun. Unlike the spanish team who kept crying that the admins have favoritism and refused to play the game. Tbh they still could have won the game, the last day was suppose to be the most critical moment of the tournament.
No one expected there to be 0 drama. They chose rusk cuz they knew there would be. And the event went super great- until there were some miscommunications abt the rules(which is not on the game). Despite everything, the event popped off and the next one will be even better
Agree on the take that it's disappointing that the mingling of the two communities was such a disaster. Probably going to leave a lot of people with a sour taste in their mouth about the other side, instead of bringing people together like I imagine it was meant to.
HELP MY!!! My muscles are too big! I am a big tall man and my muscles are even BIGGER! I use them to get views but they HURT so much!!! Because they are heavy. Do you have any advice, dear wes
@@AxxLAfriku hand your sister, your mum, aunt and grandma to me and your pain will go away.
Humans are tribal by nature. Introduce a competitive aspect divided along tribal lines and things go very poorly.
@@AxxLAfriku seek medical attention both physically and mentally
@@ubberJakerz bro, this was just a rust server. They were very childish.
This kind of reminds me of that Mario Kart tournament event where it ended up being cancelled because the losing team(i forgot what country they're from) decided to quit because of "unfairness". Causing the winning team not even receiving their reward for winning because the other team had quitted. So damn childish.
Wow, never expected that a nation vs nation tournament would get spicy, this has never been heard of in the entire world
Man, watching this unfold as a Spaniard really sucks. I hope our manchild streamers apologize for making a fool out of our entire community, although it probably won't ever happen :c
That's just who you guys are, your community leaders showed your true colors lmfao. Bunch of babies. Remember the Alamo?
Alguien puede resumirme que pasó y quien se supone que fue el streamer español que nos puso en evidencia? No me digas que fue el cuñao de Alexelcapo porfavor..
Grow up as if Spanish streamers didnt say anything bad lol...
They think stupid national pride is based and allows childish behaviour, they indulge on it. Tho I see people like that daily, since I live in a spanish country, it's still pretty baffling.
FAKE
This is so sad honestly for the spanish streamers. Toast and others must have put a lot of effort into that event and for it to just end abruptly just like that because of their childish behaviour is just outrageous. Even continuing the beef today by changing pfps and shit just goes to show how fucking childish they are.
I think there was this other Twitch Rivals event (Minecraft probably), where the Spanish team behaved very immature and shitty, because the German team just played with a better strategy and won. It‘s just a very bad look for them, I don’t know any of them, but that‘s what I’m associating their community with
@@LJMahomes yeah that’s what happen. Ppl were talking about it on Twitter too. Comparing to this event to the past.
That's because Spain is inferior to first world countries
Have you even watched Mendo, Picco and Coconut last 3 day Tweets and streams? They are constantly insulting, mocking and making their content arround all this drama. Ricoy response is preaty childish but at the end is a response to all the things that they are doing for days.
alexby is the spanish xqc (in being a man child i mean)
thank you for these videos lud!
A little bit of a correction but you can make certain things like guns and weapons off limit which they did for the guns you weren't able to use. They also later on made it so people couldnt destroy each others base later on
ive said it once and ill say it again, competitive rust is both impossible and also the absolute peak of content at the same time.
impossible things tend to be godlike content it's weird like that ain't it
@@thatoneguy9582 haha yes indeed
flashbacks to sir winter dilemma
Its not impossible. The rules were vaguely put out but the concept and idea were excellent. I hope they do it again with more clear rules and non-manchild streamers.
i thought it was an amazing event, we just need thicc skin people to deal with what rust really is, like NA never complain about the shitty first 2 hrs, where they got spawn killed stole heli, stole materials, it was a fucking joke... but they kept playing
As a spaniard that has lived in in the us it is incredibly disappointing that this didn’t bring the communities together. I would like to emphasize to please not generalize all Spanish speaking people as childish and immature, like in all communities, there are bad apples and unfortunately, this time they spoke the loudest. I’m sad to see these people represented our community so poorly, hopefully in the future there will be better people and we can have better more meaningful interactions.
Keep up the awsome content lud!
just remind English people that xqc exist. lol
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 seeming how he is not the worst out of all these people speaks volumes on how bad certain spanish streamers are
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 Dude i saw this comment in this comment section that is really accurate i goes like this:
"Xqc doesn't even speak english, he speaks in tongues" pretty accurate imo
Honestly spain is in a pretty shitty place right now so it's not surprising to see it. Economic and political problems always show up in the social landscape and vice versa.
the only reason that they spoke the loudest was because the mayority didnt know how to play the game, so when a pr0 rust player tells you hey, they are breaking rules by doing this using that, then you get the attention of the people and they start following whatever you say...
To be fair raiding doesn’t have to involve destruction. It can be done by stealth. That said if you’re going to build something out of twigs you don’t get to complain when it gets damaged by stray fire.
You imitating bad spanish accent at the beginning got me haha
It's sad to see this happen and overshadow so many small streamers who didn't participate in the drama and were just in it for the exposure and meeting new people. Also a shame that the spanish streamers were huge babies who encouraged their viewers to attack minorities from the NA team because they were "upset", just making the community look bad. Great video tho o7
It was disappointing to see how some of the Spanish streamers approached the event. Toast wanted to do this event with the Spanish streamers because he has built up great admiration for their scene and respect for how they approach collaborative content, but some of the Spanish streamers came into this even from a place of despise, disrespect, and frankly some outright xenophobia for the NA community. Their team captain could have stopped the few team members he had who were being disrespectful, hateful and cheating but he didn't bother probably (Giving him the benefit of the doubt here) cause nationalistic pride and tribalism got in the way.
These few Spanish streamers ruined the entire event for the rest of the Spanish streamers as well, most of whom are small streamers and could have used the bonus money from winning. Probably severely reduced the chances of future collaborative content between NA and LATAM scenes.
What a shame. One of them is still target harassing NA streamers from the event.
They didn't encourage that but go off, their communities did attack na streamers, because they're mostly children and they're dumb
@@bunndumm, okay dude, that's not understanding the whole panorama
@@bunndumm Wait, when were the Spanish streamers xenophobic and racist? What did they say?
@@samunti16 Lud mentioned it in the video, their chats were telling the Asian NA streamers to go and eat dogs or telling some of the female streamers to get back in the kitchen, not to mention the things that were actually said in the rust chat
The biggest complaints from the Spanish side were the time zone differences. A lot of the events happened while the Spanish streamers were asleep so it became unfair, but the issue with that complaint is that the NA streamers were putting far more commitment into the server. Streamers on the NA side weren't sleeping and staying awake the entire time, others were doing 14-18 hours of streams and barely sleeping or having free time. There was the obvious racism/ableism from the Spanish streamers as well. The other streamers were being toxic and not contributing to the problem, but that's more than expected with people like XQC and whatnot on the server. One of the biggest problems came down to the Spanish streamers properly cheating, not just going against the rules of the server. At least one of the streamers was using filters on the game to be able to see in the pitch black of night, killing a bunch of people. What makes this worse is that there was a $2k prize for top kills. Another was off stream door camping to try and capture the top spot, and was said to be stream sniping. This was very poor for the Spanish streamers, and Ricoy needs to be removed from all platforms.
All those who actually mf understand all this is a real one. Like it’s crystal clear but omg half the community be hella blind on the laid out facts with evidenceee
@Pine Apple nothing over the top, just his usual competitive shit talking.
@UCXef1Joh2YXTJPHxzszBYFw As shown during the video, he made a bunch of comments that in this day and age aren’t acceptable:
I only heard about this through the video so don't really know how big of a deal it was but the fact that they made their bases of twig then complained when it got hit by a stray bullet and broke is absolutely maddening and they deserve to be disqualified for that alone. That's like having an imaginary house and being upset that someone walked into it, build an actual fucking base if you don't want 1 bullet to break it, it's not hard, it's not difficult, it's not time consuming. You can make it out of wood or stone and with more than 3 people would take less than 10 minutes. Actually insane that that was even a complaint in the first place
Timezone argument is terrible. The events were spaced out evenly for NA and Spanish prime time. It just seems like it's all in NA time because the Spanish team barely played. During Spanish prime time (our morning). There's only like 10 Spanish streamer on and I'm watching hJune clap half of them by himself and winning the crates.
Someone even posted a screen shot of like 10ish of the Spanish participants playing other games during the event on their primetime. And they wonder why they're losing LOL
I am a Spanish speaker and it’s interesting because they did a similar event two times (also playing in Rust), in 2021 and at the beginning of 2022, called EGOLAND 1 and EGOLAND 2, but it was between the LATAM & Spain community. I watched the first event but it was a disaster, the second went fairly well but it also ended badly. In both events Alexby was part of the Organization, so he was in the same position as Toast... The thing is that both events went bad because he couldn’t control the streamers and was himself part of the drama. Alexby is easy to trigger, so these big streamers (some, not all) try to do whatever they want to be the best, that they ignore the rules and ofc Alexby is going to get mad, but he doesn’t know how to stop them. So it would have been better to choose another person to be the captain, I don’t have anything against him it’s just that he is not the right person to lead this thing, especially after the failure of EGOLAND 1 & 2. Also, I feel that it would have been better to choose another game than Rust, after the experience of the past events I feel it’s a game that can easily lead to toxicity, especially if you want to be the best and been recognize by more people like that.
That end clip LMAO
1. Forgot to mention that the first 2 hours, the Spanish team raided the NA island during the grace period and stole their things
2. Spanish team said the NA team broke the rules by using pistols when it's not allowed. There's been 0 clips of it.
3. Helicopter was legally stolen. Parked poorly in their base before the "no going into 15x15 zone" was estabalished. NA team agreed to return it because Spainish team kept crying.
He couldve added so much more to it, but the point was still made.
They were suposed to be primitive locked witch means that revolver and double barrel shotgun was allowed, however the ruling was vage.
Team NA found a Python wich is tier 2 and had to ask the admins, they told them they could use it but not for pvp, so they modified the ruling mid event ( wich wasnt notified to ESLA team untill much later, there are clips of this ) . However it didnt matter as they lost it to NPC a little bit later.
They also were using inciendiary shells at serveral places like oil rig that prevented ESLA team to fight them; wich is tier 2.
So yes, the ruling was poorly made and led to several confrontations and yes NA did break many rules aswell.
And as i said in another comment they should ban whoever didnt try to control harrasment and fueled any kind of slurs and racism.
i commented this same thing, don't forget the spanish team crying that NA had too many people online when Spanish team was sleeping. (wa wa wa, bedtime unfair)
@@SttravagaNZza w4t b@ck land coping rn
Wrong
1. Spanish didn't raid the NA island. Door was open and one player stole the loot. Didn't break anything of force anything.
2. Idk.
3. They didn't return the helicopter because it was stolen. Get your info right. They give the helicopter because the spanish steam managed to steal the material used to build weapons from the NA base without violating the rules and the admins said to return the material and they will give them the helicopter.
I actually like when Lud does streamer “drama” videos because his takes are pretty fair, he just recaps what happened and gives his two cents
He’s the best for this since he lives in America but he’s part Spanish.
@@Tolandruth no? race shouldn't tell you how good they are for something
@@duckymclucky2562 wow seems sarcasm just doesn’t work on you.
@@duckymclucky2562 it seems this thing called humour is lost on Internet kids nowadays.
Tbf, it seems hard to sense humour in that comment
As someone in the hispanic community, it is such a shame this happened. I think something that played a big role in this is the leaders, they made such a selfish decision by themselves that I am sure other hispanic streamers were not in tune with. Sad, sad.
That was an hilarious intro for someone who had no clue what’s going on
bold of ludwig to completely denounce the entire population of Spain. liked and subbed!
Truly incredible
Yep thats exactly what he said! Great stuff!
@@JM-qe1tx yeah dude, cause english speaking content wasn´t edgy or drama based
I really like that part in the video where he insulted all their mothers
@e FINALLY LET'S GO!
Imagine complaining and whining that the admins was taking NA's side when the admins LITERALLY offered to SPAWN you loot (THAT YOU WERE TOO LAZY TO FARM) at the end. You were too lazy to farm and fight for loot during the two days, and then just get offered loot and STILL quit like little cry babies.
Reminds me of toddlers complaining about rules in a game. *Your bweaking da ruwles I’m not pwaying anymore*
Got a question. Why couldn't they just play with NO rules? If everything is allowed, wouldn't it have avoided all this?
I think the point was to give really good content and hype for the last hour, but if you cant make it to the last hour, doesn't really matter lol
rules make a game more fun by saying you can't do stuff it makes things more challenging and entertaining
feel like the captains of each team should agree on the rules and have a say if they disagree with something before the event. think a big event like this they should have strict rules for what happen if someone break a rule or is being toxic. could be somehting like removing a significant amount of points from the team or something like that. would depend what game they play and what rules there are, but should be something that affect the whole team if someone break a rule.
It's always a good sign when the title is this long
fair enough
That's fair
Yeah... that's fair
fair nuff
Yeah
You can enable rules on rust, modded servers do this all the time. If they sunk tens of thousands of dollars into this project they could have gone to people like TommyGun to build custom mods so shit like this doesn't happen.
But that would mean less money for the already rich winners when they inevitably win 😢 😔
yeah even the mods they did have had a bunch of issues that they had to hotfix
the server was modded, or had rules, weapons that were aloud you could use, i know this because NA Team got bolties and LR and other weapons from doing monuments, and the guns were useless, you couldn't shoot them.... so basically what NA team did was, whatever u can use, is allowed
I think this all really revolves around the No raiding thing. I'd imagine it'd probably be best to have multiple raiding periods, maybe 1 after and hour, then one or two at 3 and 5 and from there you'd want to have it based on time zones syncing up (so there isn't alarmclocking at 3:45 AM or whatever, cause that just sucks)
The whole "Make the base out of twigs" did cause it to snowball simply cause the game really isn't designed to have you use twig structures for anything that is critical. Not to say they were wrong in running it this way, it's just a lot more likely in such a long format to have weird quirks of the rules arise.
And sometimes we gotta make mistakes, now we know that you gotta be real specific with the rules in Rust tournaments, make sure you have a provision for twig structures (Could just have them exempt from the raiding rule, forcing at _least_ wooden structures during the no raid period, and at that point you'd want to have anti-door camping and so forth, naturally pushing players to specific, wanted behavior.)
And yea, toxicity over teammates is no bueno, no one will ever disagree with that
Know nothing about this. Vid just popped up in my feed. Interesting to know event was happening and the drama surrounding it. Thanks
god I swear some of these streamers have never actually tried to solve a confrontation in their lives and always resort to being childish. History rthymes with itself lord knows how many times shit like this has happened. You realize that the excess money these guys get comes at a cost of having the mental of schoolchildren. good vid!
The funny one was , when a Spanish streamer killed by an AI then blamed the admin 🤣
Yeah they and their community legitimately thinks the admin spawned bots in front of them on purpose too just to favor NA even though it does nothing to help them cause the even was based on acquiring dog tags
wait, which one?
the last few frames of the video. lmao rip
I watched a guy on youtube who actually was on this rust Server, 2:19 it was not really a bullet, it was a scrap helicopter Crashing into the Spanish base and they pretty much cried about it so there is that, and when they quit, that kinda ticked my off too.
It really sucks that this happened, and I feel especially bad for it as a Spanish- American. I feel bad that one of the rare occasions that Spain gets any time in the international spotlight our representatives act so disrespectfully. I'd like to make it clear that not all Spaniards act so childishly. I hope that sometime Spain has another opportunity to redeem herself in the online space, and hopefully next time both the Hispanic community and the English speaking community gets a fair say in the rules for any future events. This was a bummer to watch, but thanks for speaking out on it Lud.
I don't think (or at least I hope) that anyone's take-away from this event is that wharever particular streamer's/streamer's chat's behavior is indicative of how the majority of people from a country behave. If anyone did I would encourage them to actually go to Spain and see how incredibly kind and fun the people are there, especially to foreigner's. I believe this is more of an example of the nature of Rust and how quickly it can become super toxic under even normal circumstances. I really hope that there will be another chance for these communities to join again under better terms or potentially a different less serious game. Sending love from America :)
Definitely agree, as a Mexican American I was so excited to find some Spanish speaking streamers at a game that I really like! Hopefully in the future things work out better but until then we’ll just have to understand, wait and better our ourselves & communities.
the english were childish with it first though, do something childish and you're gonna get a childish response. They ignored the no raiding rule and still raided. Just because they didn't destroy or kill anyone doesn't mean they didn't raid or steal etc. they knew they were specifically going at a bad loophole and didn't care because they were on american servers
Idk seemed like both sides kinda were assholes it seems weird spinning this into a look at what the Spanish did
@@Easy420skate I get what you’re trying to say but then the Spanish responded back with racism and slurs so I can’t really see how you’d still support them after that. Be as shitty and immature as you can be but they are grown adults who used slurs just bc they were bitching over an online game, it’s pure stupidity.
ALSO Ludwig, the reason the Spanish were upset with the “raid” from the NA side was because when Coconut was deep in the base, “deep” meaning inside their base without blowing or demolishing walls, the admins notified them to leave the base and deposit the loot back that they took, Coconut broke one or two twig walls after depositing loot and left. Nothing that was bad at all. Should have never been blown out of proportion.
it was a rule sharking attempt is what that is. normal players just say hey why is twig breakable still? to the admins and they fix it, not trying to get into a powerplay through rules.
He had to break the wall in order to deposit their loot back and leave yeah. It was blown out of proportion
boi so fat twigs tremble in his presence
from what i understand, when NA returned the loot after the alleged raid on the twig base from Spain, they put it in a box. Whether they return everything is another case to me. But when the Spain raided the NA in return, they return the loot by just taking it out of their inventory and this could despawn the loot. All this is what i heard from NA because i couldnt find the VOD from spain so i might be completely wrong.
@@chenweishen7560 Nah, Spain never returned the loot to NA. They stole 300 explosives and 1000 HQ and tried to despawn all of their loot within the base. Their refusal to return NA's loot and constant crying about NA stealing their scrappy caused that whole admin call drama where NA was forced to give up the scrappy and the admins spawned in the above amount of explosives and HQ (since NA didn't know what else was stolen and wanted to just move on with the game). Then Spain started crying AGAIN about NA legally destroying the returned scrappy in Outpost, etc etc etc...
I think I'm seeing this a bit late, but I still wanted to give my opinnion on this.
I am mexican, therefore I often see spanish streamers aswell as NA ones. But I'm really embarrased of how this turned out. The spanish streamers had so many deplorable actions, their efforts were a fucking joke and they started acting like assholes really early. It's infuriating because I started watching the event because it sounded fun and I was excited to see both regions play together. And they transformed this interesting thing into an unjoyable hellscape. Even if the NA were cheating (Something I don't really think happened), the racist shit was just embarrasing. Really disappointed in them.
To be totally fair, if the Moderators/Gamekeepers actually enforced the rules instead of trying to clarify them/readjust them to the situation, then I doubt some (not all) of what happened would not have. When I think of "Raiding", sneaking into the other sides base with a few friends to steal loot would absolutely fall under that category.
But instead of consequences, we got the "No-No Squares". The Rules and Communication was just not there enough and the players felt relatively unrestricted and did as they pleased.
So many companies and people struggle with this. Fix the core problem, not put a band-aid on it. Clearly the band-aid wasn't enough because the man ended up bleeding out and ruining the whole thing.
The weird part is there definitely are mods and plenty of extremely talented modders in the community. So anything they agreed on for rules could've been implemented in a modded server.
There was a raid protection plugin. But some idiots decided to make a twig base. Twig is a placeholder object and is not protected.
It's crazy to see the amount of people dismissing all the issues saying it's all due to planning or the admins. This was planned and agreed on by both teams in both languages with representatives from twitch NA, twitch spain, and rust admins who were from other countries not involved (toast explains this to his response to Alexby's tweets). Also how were the admins supposed to predict and plan for half of the event to threaten a walkout on the first day then proceed to call it quits 3 additional times. The admins did what they could to keep it from falling apart and when it still did they tried to pivot. NA and a few of the spanish streamers who wanted to play still were going to do a civil war type fight to have something for the planned broadcast after spain forfeited then alexby, ricoy and others came back saying that they'll do a last for fun battle but they also quit that so the entire final broadcast got cancelled
They were consistently changing and making up rules at every moment, everytime that something happened for one team or the other...
They didnt setup a propper foundation ( ruling ) for the event to go smooth and then invited probably the most egocentric content creators there are in the most unfriendly game there is. They started malding and in the end ESLA team withdrew. Besides that they should ban anybody who didnt try to control harrasment or fueled any kind of slurs and racism.
@@SttravagaNZza they definitely caved in too much but can't blame them with how much power a team held when they were able to organize a collective log off on the first day. I don't think toast nor the TR and Rust admin team expected ego to manifest that way cause they definitely valued content higher as seen when they even let the Spanish captain come back in after forfeiting cause they thought they were down to make content for the main broadcast but they ditched that too. Contracts will probably be much stricter for all rivals after this. Unfortunately, it's not up to TR to punish and I doubt main twitch HQ will ban their bigger SP streamers in Alex and ricoy
While the drama was really upsetting, if the Spanish team never left it would've been secretly a good tactic. Drama pulls in viewers like MAD but man does it suck it had to happen to this event in particular. This really wasn't an event that needed any drama in the first place. Extremely unfortunate on and for both sides. But honestly this only sets a precedent for how to handle future events better, there is always a silver lining :D
Love the no no square reference lol
Tbh as someone who watches spanish and english content creators, the spanish content space has always been this childish, so im not surprised this happened. This type of drama happens all the time and it's why i dont follow as much spanish content creators because it's just sad.
I think it's weird why they didn't get Latino streamers to participate, that would've alleviated the whole time zone issue and hey perhaps they would've played much cleaner KEKW
What killed the event for me was a few of the spanish streamers blatantly cheating. between night vision filters to stream sniping and who knows what else client side it's just piss poor behavior for an organized event.
HJune's "Trust in Rust" tournament DID in-fact implement all these rules in game :) no handshake needed.
Sooo, they make a base out of weak material so they can kill them but not the other way around, get mad when they find a way to kill them, make new rules and instantly break them. Then leave cause it doesn't go their way???? Crazy
It’s a bit hard to follow this drama without knowing it as it unfolds. Even watching this video it wasn’t clear what exactly went wrong, other than clearly a lot of people got extremely emotional and angry..
sounds like ppl who stream games for a living got mad that they couldn't play exactly how they wanted so they quit but we'll see as time goes on
the real issue is as every comment will mention rust is just impossible in its current state to regulate any system of rules. once you get enough people into ANYTHING especially with vague rules it gets bad fast. 1 person will purposely break rules a few will accidentally break rules. once this inevitably happens the other side will retaliate which of course causes more retaliation.
now combine this with streamers who can be a bit dramatic (i mean thats how content works) so everything gets blown up faster. each community having little to no overlap stars quickly making it US vs THEM.
being an english designed event all this minor drama and banter makes the spanish side feel slighted so again it escalates.
the problem comes though that both sides fucked up but then they argue who fucked up first or who fucked up more. neither of which solve the problem. rather than the players trying to have a good event or have fun they were trying to win and once drama of any kind started even very small its going to escalate without better moderation.
idk how you could do it in rust but they really do need more enforceable rules and moderation to keep it feeling fair so both sides dont feel slighted. this wont stop any talking based banter and i do feel some in game and out of game comments went to far.
TLDR the event didnt get set up in a way that was ever going to work and the players cared more about winning and getting even than having a fun event. though its hard to try and have fun if you feel the other side is slighting you.
@@Zalied I think if a rust server starts, it has to have weekly wipes and no rules
@@trashsmash4561 I think this events rules coulda been fine if there was a bit clearer o. The specifics of the rules and any sort of moderation or enforcement. Once a rule was broken there really wasn't any oversight or punishment so the side rhat the got slighted felt the other side got away free. I think it's really just a case of enforcement allowing it to escalate and each side feeling the enforcement was against them
Yeah, he didn't get all of the details quite right, but it's fair since SO MUCH drama happened over the 48 hours. Tl;dr: there was some confusion about rules, Spain constantly cried and played victim, Spain refused to play, NA was constantly forced to compromise to keep the game going, Spain cried and refused to play, NA compromised and played, Spain cried and quit. If you have time, CoconutB and HJune's VODs have the best content.
Adviced learned: Don't expect maturity out of people who base their content off of immaturity
there is a way for admins on the servers to turn off damage for other players and structures. Weird they didn't do that for the first however long.
Great video as always Lud, though at 8:10 the Spanish streamers typing "ñ word" was not implying the n-word in English, but I completely understand the confusion. It's just that there's a meme in the Spanish-speaking world where basically people joke that gringos/yanquis/guiris/americans are afraid of the ñ (which is its own letter in the Spanish alphabet) because they're confused by the tilde. I just wanted to clear up that misconception because there's already a lot of misunderstandings and I don't want people to send hate towards those streamers for implying something that they did not imply. Of course, there were some pretty f-ed up things said by certain streamers and by chat, but they weren't saying anything to do with the n-word in English :)
Nah, Toast said they have been talking to the spanish for 3 months to agree on the rules lmao
But Spanish yeeted them all even before they game started lmfao
@@Jyang.11 lmao, exactly the same stuff is said on the spanish side, "rule breaks are oly enforced when the we do them , if they find out they get upgraded to "allowed", timezone, ect, half of the spanish team just dropped in the first hours due to timezones and initial aparent concern of the rules. Add to that half of latam was sleeping while half of europe was sleeping and you end up with Na being present more of the time.
meanwhile ppl in na didnt even sleep
It's unfortunate how the event turned out, especially for the purpose of bringing communities together as it tried to do. I watched multiple streamers on both the English and Spanish sides and it was painful to watch for a lot of the time. As with many things in life, a few people took it too far, but I hope and think that we will be able to try something like this again and it's going to be awesome.
Toast already said and knew that it was going to get spicy between the two. This event was all for content and without proper rules in place things would get out of hand quickly and one side would get extremely butt hurt about it. All in all, if a future event like occurs again then the rules should be predetermined, but remember this was all for content.
*"HABUAMOZ ESPAÑÓ"*
I live in Madrid too, tell your grandpa to be careful with the heat wave
This went exactly as planned
Obviously the real controversy is never addressed. The fact that xQc was allowed on the english team. Because idk wtf he's speaking but it ain't english
He speaks the same as that one kid from the Thornberrys
Lol thanks for the laugh
One of my favorite xqc clips is when he makes fun of train wrecks stutter, like come on d-d-d-dude
Its just a shame that this event went down so badly, because the fact that the teams were formed based on nationality/language makes it so much worse. It's not a bad idea, but it just leaves two extremely disconnected communities with a massive bad experience with what equates to an entire culture. And the fact that they rarely interact means this bad experience won't be overcome easily. It's just a a waste of a potentially great event.
Should of been eu vs na
well.. NA team had korean canadian chinesse australia etc, variaty of people man xd like idk
i understand the conecpt as to why they did it like this, because in NA most streamers know each other... like maybe only 3 or 4 people didnt know who they were, but like 90% of the people from NA played with each other at one point, this is why i was so hyped because i wanted to see how they would work together as a group to try and win the competition...
The rule was that you could not go inside the base so since the Spanish streamers placed their helicopter on the roof it became free game since the na team did not need to go inside the base to get the helicopter technically and that was the only thing they took so there was no loot stolen and no rules broken
maybe there was a miscommunication midgame hahahahahaha. language barrier n all hahahahahaha
Mendo's take was so insanely based holy shit
As a native speaker living in a Spanish speaking country-the sad reality is that this is the sad, ignorant culture we live in. A lot of people will shout and scream slurs like it's a Monday because whenever you try to educate people on racism and prejudice, they mock you. At least where I live, we haven't walked past all of these harmful comments, stereotypes and internalized racism. Some countries and states are definitely more conservative… the only countries/states in which it isn't *so* bad are, ironically, the ones that are close to the border with the US and/or the ones who are heavily tied to it.
It's a sad reality, it isn't excused but the ableist and racist comments legitimately do not surprise me. It's something that's very normalized in our culture.
Almost like being tied European and American territory and government gives you a socioeconomic advantage compared to territories left to dust by by British colonialisms.
@@mankdemes8887 It's not totally tied to the economic condition of a country, the US were just as bad with this kind of language during the 2000's, but it is harder to educate people when poverty is a rampant issue in the place you grow up, I can agree on that with you. But money doesn't mean you automatically stop with the internalized bigotry.
Si crees que los países que hablan español son peores tendrás 11 años y vives en el universo de la piruleta. Si es tan malo a que esperas a irte a USA a vivir, a no, que allí te insultarán por "robarles el trabajo" y por tu aspecto, y si no consigues trabajo rápido te deportarán
"try to educate" you really must be entitled to feel you are in a position to educate the rest of the world. The British and the Americans ravish the entire world, created the most vicious cultural institutions, ramp-sacked the resources of half the world, and then they turn around and want to be the moral conscious of the world ROFL, it is one of the intellectually poorest nations in the whole globe and people like you still want to praise them as your masters and LEARN their "wisdom" what a F joke dude
@@mankdemes8887 source: "trust me bro"
Was wondering what the hell all of the twitter chats were all about lol.
Pog journalism degree at work again!! And ram just look at all those open tabs! Lud so practical.
grown adults act like kids: the movie
I watched the whole event and I can say without a doubt that some of the Spanish team was the root of all the problems. They made themselves look really bad and I can’t believe they still have a following at all after that tbh
The only problem here is a bunch of Just Chatting streamers pretending to play video games and getting upset that people were actually playing the video games rofl.
@@bknighty28 lol goblin
I've watched different versions but I've got the same story. It basically went as primitive was allowed to use pistols. People found that out and they dominated for a while. A scrap helicopter on NA was sho down/destroyed. Spanish players was being butthurt make a base out of thatch then having gun fights around it when bullets destory thatch easy. NA stole Spanish scrap helicopter and spoonkid stole some loot. Spanish players complained and they got they're stuff back plus points. Spanish player got destroyed and started door camping and killing NA players in their base. Spanish players got destroyed for a while during a big firefight then quit due to having a massive lack of points. Most I saw at 1 time was nearly 5k down
Edit:found out at some points it was actually more like 20k
isnt there a plugin you can add to the server that removes bullet and explosive damage to builds? lol like for grace period and RP servers?
There should be a One Life One Hour w/ streamers.
Everyone should be reborn if they die of old age,
and the game should end when a proper village is built, or if everyone dies off.
It would be really fun watching everyone trying to survive together.
I think there could be a LOT of wholesome experiences there.
Damn these kids probably got offered an average yearly salary for this event and still couldn’t put their egos aside, IN A GAME, to see it through. They really don’t realize how lucky they are lol
Depends of what streamers got in, a lot of them are bigger that the english streamers not only in twitch but in youtube, so money aint shit for them.
@@nmhjjp but since there is money involved they couldve been more professional about it
@@ConnoisseurPNM They are streamers, drama and inmaturity is the most profitable and profecional thing they can do. I dont think any of these people relly care about what happened, but pretending to care gives views.
The best part of this is coconuts new merch with "Twig Rivals" on it lmao
"Video Games...are serious business..." - Sun Tzu
The main problem is in the planning. For something like this to not devolve into chaos you need an event that has clear enforceable rules, but also one that gathers streamers of similar styles in an event that fits them.
Honestly rust was a terrible pick for a game, as Ludwig said its VERY hard to make rules in rust, the game is designed to be lawless
@@flamingscar5263 plugins can be made nowadays to enforce specific rules. can disable structure damage untill a specified time as example
No. you're actually delusional if you think the main problem is the planning. It's the fucking childish streamers on the Spanish team that ditched the event that Toast and the twitch team spent months on and hundreds of thousands of dollars just because they didn't get their way. Had it been any other team it would've been fine, small hiccups with the rules sure but not like what the Spanish team did. The main problem was the other team.
It was actually going really well. The streamers gathered and planning was fine. There was just some miscommunications and rule changes that even though they agreed to, they quit over. As the first rust event, the rules had to be adjusted. In the end it was a learning process, the event still popped off and the next one would be even better
its 3 months of planning wdym, if they have any complaints they should have said anything before the event.. they know about the rules before the event.. whatever the cause, hostaging an event is disgusting
unironically so excited for Mogul Money live I really want to try and get tickets. Great stream today!!
Communication is key to a successful game. Talking to both teams and having no Bias on both teams.
6:00 you can make rules like those and implement them into the servers, many moded servers have them. Not to diss many of these big streamers that are new to rust, but i think they just aren't as educated enough with some of the elements of rust to try and do these events or make these servers on their own, they really should get people to help them with it, because they keep getting involved in drama with this game and honestly it's just embarrassing to watch, when i see so many problems that can jus be fixed with some minor tweaks, and in my opinion they are just giving the game a bad image, with starting all this drama because they don't understand the game or can't except it for what it is and stop playing... I'd know because im a rust chad😎😎🥲
Toast has a really good, well thought out opinion at the end of the video.
Probably one of the best well thought out opinion I've heard from him as well.
Hate to see a community event go down in flames, especially this one since it had so much potential to bring the communities together. Sad to see that some of the few Spanish streamers were quite toxic
nstead of doing more Region v Region or Country v Country, I think mixing teams and making everyone collaborate with everyone would be much better - seeing people push thru communication barriers and learn more about eachother seems way more fun than patriotic rage and bullcrap.
Bruh one of the Spanish streamers died to an AI and thought the admin did it on purpose, seemed like the larger streamers went to any length to moan. The smaller ones were great and funny