We should add that 5-ARD does not impact the reception of testosterone. Males with 5-ARD can respond to T just fine, and so they benefit from androgenizing male puberty. Thus, they would have a performance advantage like typical males. DHT does not seem to impact male sports performance, so the fact they are missing DHT does not reduce advantage. You can watch our video on it here: ua-cam.com/video/CCBQIpg5yLs/v-deo.html
How is it possible for a vital hormone like DHT to not impact male sports performance? It's responsible for hypertrophy in a lot of muscles. I expect it won't impact it so greatly that it equalizes to female performance, but surely it has some impact especially during puberty.
@@Google_Censored_Commenter having a mediocre male athlete with missing bits does not make him a woman. He clearly went through male puberty, caused by his male XY karyotype
For weeks I've been wondering what the Paradox Institute thought of this situation. My eyes lit up when I saw this video thumbnail. Thank you for your analysis!
Always appreciate your summaries & share them widely. There's one more possibility that should be metioned: When you have an athlete with XY chromosomes, male-range testosterone, and visible male muscle mass suggesting male puberty; you may simply have a healthy, genetically normal male who is trying to pass themselves off as female in order to win a medal. It's also worth mentioning that, even if there is a DSD; whatever the confusion in childhood, and whatever the difficulties a DSD male may suffer in puberty, there's zero chance that these men don't know they're men by the time of Olympic competition. Whatever injustices they suffered as young people, they know by now that they shouldn't be punching women in the face. One injustice doesn't justify another.
So what? The IOC goes by passport classification and Algeria doesn’t allow for sex changes on passports. Why are placing the onus on Khelif? If you have a gripe, it’s with the IOC rules committee. And all athletes play by the same rules and they all consent to it. Boxing is intrinsically dangerous and boxers routinely tap out of fights or have their corner throw in the towel.
I think we can all agree on two things: 1, not how high the level of testosterone is but rather WHY the testosterone is high and 2, unless proven the presence of XY chromosomes we can only speculate. Personally, I tend to agree towards what's shown in this video. Have a nice day.
Karyotype with molecular dyes that will show the SRY gene. Then to narrow it down, medical team would do physical examination, ultrasound if needed, and finally to narrow it down to the exact condition, they can test for genetic mutations that relate to the leftover options. They can even test for androgen insensitivity by testing the AR gene, which is mutated in cases of CAIS and PAIS, etc
@@ParadoxInstitute suppose an athlete has a defective ovary and defective internal testis. Neither gonad produces gametes. Is such a person male or female? What other criteria / factors would determine sex for such a person? Seems like your channel emphasizes a gamete binary as the sole determinant of sex. But some people don’t produce any gametes, and some people have bodies with defective gonads of both sexes.
@@ParadoxInstitute in case of CAIS they would not be able to participate in Olympics, thought. Because without androgenes - muscles do not have muscle memory and it is extremely hard to train them. Almost always XY women with CAIS are weaker physicly than typical women with XX. With PAIS there is different situation, tho - as they can be responsive to hormones that are helping to build muscle mass.
Any sources to show that they definitely failed a chromosomal and testosterone test?? As far as I can find they haven't released any specific information on what test they exactly failed
@@sorenkierke57The Algerian team apparently signed off the result (there has been something shown online), and more importantly, didn't challenge it. Now, if I, as an athlete, was suddenly banned from a World Championship because a test was wrong, and accusing me of being the OPPOSITE SEX, I would be straight down to the nearest lab arranging for another. Any hospital with a scanner could show what internal plumbing there is, and be very quick. The Algerian team didn't do any of this so we have to ask "Why not..?"
"High testosterone" is very vague. Women with a naturally high level of testosterone for a woman are allowed to compete. Khelif doesn't have that. Khelif has a naturally normal level of testosterone for a man. A level that can only be produced by testes, not doping.
Thanks. I have a question. Is it possible to have a Y chromosome and be a woman, or not have a Y and be a man? Is the Y chromosome present in I. Khelif proof that he is man? I'm a bit confused as to what the basic thing is that we know someone is male and female. I know from your videos that it is about the reproductive system, gametes. But I have also heard the opinion that the presence of the Y chromosome is decisive. If someone has it, he is a man. But that doesn't fit with the possibilities when a woman can also have a Y chromosome, if that's the case. Thank you.
Yes Sawyer would be considered female with xy, they have neither ovaries or testes, but uterus fallopian tubes vagina and with extension help can give birth. There's xx male, de la Chapelle syndrome. Although I follow two particular scientists on Twitter and have seen extensive back and forth where one camp insists "if there's a y it's a guy" so would say Swyer is male, and similarly xx with sry gene aka de la Chapelle is female. So who knows
I will answer that question for him. Yes, you can have XY and be a woman and you can have XX and be a man biologically speaking. People are dumb and because they heard when they were little that XY is the only reason why we have the categories of male and females, they run with that statement. The problem is that they are confusing sex determining system with the actual reason why we have Sex in the first place. Some species have different number of sex chromosomes , others species do not have sex chromosomes at all and they differentiate in male and female based on the temperature of their incubation (see cocodriles). So no, the Genotype usually determine if you are male or female, but this doesn't mean it is the reason on why we define these categories in this way in the first place
XY is are usually male, but not necessarily male. XY makes to conditions to be male, but some times those conditions can get messed up due to mutations. Such as Swyer syndrome.
- Male and female means being of the type that produces "small" or "large" gametes. - XY is called male genotype (karyotype I guess, but who cares), because Y chromosome carries stuff with it that tells the fetus to go down male development (organs to produce small gametes). UNLESS Y doesn't carry shit and therefore doesn't tell the fetus "close off female path". And if female path wasn't suppressed you get organs that are primed for upkeep of large gametes, which by definition and principle means female, even if genotype is male - it failed at what male genotype is supposed to do, the organism is now female. - Saying that "if they have Y - they are male" would by definition of male and female be wrong, because we define sex according to what type of gamete a body can produce. It's universal to all sexually reproducing species. - If a human have testis - male gonads for producing small gametes - by definition they are male. Regardless of any other structures of the body, there is no means of making that human capable of producing or even upkeeping large gametes. - If you have XY genotype there is a very low chance that you don't have testis. If you do, you have male levels of testosterone, which in reality is higher than any female can achieve even in worst cases (20+ times more testosterone then women). - Again, the only way you can naturally have testosterone of male levels is by having testis to produce it. And if you have testis you are a male. If you had XX chromosomes and had functioning testis - you would be male. Chromosomes are an instructor, it doesn't matter what the instructor says when defining the result, only what the observable result is: what gametes a body could produce and/or upkeep, small or large. - Use any analogy of your liking to envision it: you had an instruction to build a fridge out of parts you were given and only one attempt. In the end you assembled a box that can (or could potentially) heat things up and cannot (never under any circumstances) cool them. Because for some reason (e.g. instructions unclear) you've put a heating element in it, and it can only have either that or a cooling element. You cannot claim that that box is a freezer just because the instruction says on the cover in big letters "FREEZER". Only thing that matters is what function it has after being assembled. Hope you were genuinely curious and hope this helps!
@@Xenono54So it's safe to assume that if a person has female reproductive organs they are female, no matter what, and if they have male reproductive organs they are male, no matter what. How can we know Khelif has male reproductive organs besides the XY chromosomes report, his high T levels and obviously masculine appearance?
What is it about taking testosterone suppressing drugs that would rule out CAIS? in both 5-ARD and CAIS the circulating T in the blood would decline, right? If so, that doesn't differentiate between the two. Is it *only* that his muscle mass decreased that rules or CAIS?
I have a peculiar question: do all women that have XY or all man that have XX necessary have always a DSD? I'm not asking if they are male or female, but rather if they have always a DSD or not. I was with the idea that if hypothetically a woman with XY is relative healthy or can even reproduce then she doesn't have a dsd, same with XX men. But apparently the discrepancy of the genotype and phenotype alone is enough per se to define a person with a DSD according to some sources So i was wondering, is it possible to such people to not have a DSD? Heck, is it even possible that XY females and XX males, even if able to reproduce, do not have any type of disorder or disadvantage compared to the rest of the population of their sex?
Good question, I'm curious too. It might be a... not quite biological matter tho, right? Considering that an enlarged clitoris is considered a DSD, for example, as I hear... "Discrepancy of the genotype and phenotype" wouldn't be so much of a culprit tho, right? Since if you have genes that are responsible for sex development and they are not functioning in a way they optimally should and usually do that's a, well, difference xD and it's a difference in the common way sex develops, so... DSD?
Some people have answered to the same question from another similar comment. You'll find extensive explanations that might help you figure it out. Hope it helps 👍🏻
@@4651adri No, they didn't answer that question. The question you are refering to was related if XY Females can exist in the first place. I was one of the people that answered that question in that comment. My question is far more complex and counter intuitive: Does having a female genotype and a male phenotype (or viceversa) always DEFINITIONALLY constitute a DSD (disorder of sex development, now is even being called more often difference in sex development) regardless on how "healthy" the individual is? Nobody have fully answered this question in the comment section. Even sources on the net are contradictory with each other, so it is not something that a layman can easily answer since it is probably based on a convention on what a DSD is in the first place or knowledge about the fact that DSD always lead to some disadvantage in some place when it comes to sexual development, even if fertility is possible
@@Xenono54 That's why some scientist make a difference between "True Interesex conditions" (true DsD) and other types of conditions (like the one you mentioned or just endocrinological issues). I remember the rate in onset of Intersex was prevelant during the conversations around Trans people, that's how i remember the papers and scientists that indeed said that we need to be carefull in define what an Intersex person really is
Can you share your sources for the claims of XY chromosones, and/or high testosterone levels? Really helpful explanation of the possible DSDs if those claims are true, but I've not found anything backing them up.
Again, because they cannot release medical information. That is confidential information. Iba said they have done such test and that she was inelegible for those criteria of eligibility. Iba is legally bound to not share medical information due to privacy, so they cannot release the findings without the permision of the subject, hence why we don't even know for sure her condition, but if IBA statements are even 1% true, then it is extremely likely that everything said in this video apply (including they likely conditions).
OK, here's the procedure at the International Boxing Association, IBA: - Men are not allowed to box women. If a female boxer believes an opponent is male, she can ask for a gender test - The IBA does not do the tests. These are outsourced to local but CAS-accredited labs. (CAS being the highly respected, Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration for Sport) - Results of tests are not made public by the IBA but only shared with the relevant athletes and their teams. So if you fail a doping test, the IBA will not say what kind of doping and how much. Only the suspended athlete has the right to decide whether or not to make the results public. In the case of a test for biological sex, however, failing the test can only mean one thing: having a Y chromosome resulting in male levels of T. Because that is what the test tests: is there a Y chromosome or not. - The tests Imane Khelif (an Lin Yu-Ting btw) failed were done in Istanbul 2022 and Mumbai 2023, by local CAS-accredited labs. - Athletes can appeal, but if they do, the results are made public by default. That is why Lin Yu-Ting never appealed, and why Khelif at first appealed but then revoked the appeal. There is an urban myth about Khelif "only being tested by the Russian-dominated IBA after she beat a Russian opponent" but that is untrue for several reasons: - The test was ordered before she beat that Russian in 2023, and the other test was already in 2022 - The IBA is not "Russian-dominated" at all. Its current president is Russian but his predecessors were from Morocco, Taiwan, USA. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, his VP was replaced by a Ukrainian. - Again, the IBA doesn't test anyone, that is done by independent labs and those tests were in Turkey and India. - The corruption scandals of the IBA are purely financial in nature, nothing to do with tests, and the IOC is infinitely more corrupt anyway.
I heard she has agonadal dysgenesis 46 xy. But the problem for those natural cases is that the person grows as a woman all her life than she discovers in 2022 she has this anomalie. She must be in denial it is hard for her to accept that. So i find that the contradiction is in the occidental world. The alignement in norms of participation must be commun . Its unfair to point iman instead of pointing the contradictions of norms between iba and ioc. Because she didnt break the law. She participated legally. I agree that medical information must not be published and must be seen only by specialists in genetics and doctors. This case must go to justice. I can not belive all what it is told everywhere and i dont have the knowledge nor the complete information to judge.
Well ironically i was wishing that you make a video about this subject to clarify medical facts because dumb people think they know a lot ; they can diagnose easily by knowing only the abbreviation of medical term😂
@@Asssstyuhddf good logic if someone said something that mean its true, you are right then, anything said its true, i dont know why the word to lie exist
@@KermBouch Bro, if I blindly believe what I see then surely it's the matter with you as well. Your beliefs are what made you to believe that imane is a woman. I'm a athletic football girl myself and 100 percent sure that imane is not a woman. Biology doesn't care about feelings.
@@Asssstyuhddf so you mean that yourself did a biologic test on her, why dont you understand all that was said to stop her to win and she did, the storie ended only for you it did not, go and learn about boilogy and then speak, she was born girl and dont tel me about the xx et xy thing go read about it and then come back.. if she was a loser know one would talk about that, if she was a wasterner and a man who did change sex now one would talk, there is mens who did where in the game but because they were from the west no one did talk but because she is from africa then she cant be a woman go and learn something.... if there is game that do mean some are stranger than the others and not only that some a men ..
Biology doesn't care about anyone's feelings. Imane was meant to be born male, but due to this condition they assumed them as female. We're sympathetic towards imane, they've struggled alot and everyone respects them for that. But someone who has gone through male puberty is quite dangerous to box with biological females as it can result in serious injuries and death in worse case.
According to medical reports Imane has internal testes, XY chromsomes, and a micro penis. He isn't a natural born female. He is someome who has been misclassifed because of his ambigous genitalia at the time of birth.
Are you sure that your sources are legit, because I know her trainers and the previous ones too, none of them is the one mentioned in the one minute article you read.
@@dorothymadden7523 Because the IBA never tests for T. The IBA never tests anything. Independent, CAS-accredited labs do the testing. And in the case of a bio sex test, they test for chromosomes, not T.
We should add that 5-ARD does not impact the reception of testosterone. Males with 5-ARD can respond to T just fine, and so they benefit from androgenizing male puberty. Thus, they would have a performance advantage like typical males. DHT does not seem to impact male sports performance, so the fact they are missing DHT does not reduce advantage.
You can watch our video on it here:
ua-cam.com/video/CCBQIpg5yLs/v-deo.html
How is it possible for a vital hormone like DHT to not impact male sports performance? It's responsible for hypertrophy in a lot of muscles. I expect it won't impact it so greatly that it equalizes to female performance, but surely it has some impact especially during puberty.
@@Google_Censored_Commenter having a mediocre male athlete with missing bits does not make him a woman.
He clearly went through male puberty, caused by his male XY karyotype
3:37 It's never obvious to some people, because some people don't want to acknowledge the obvious.
spot on
For weeks I've been wondering what the Paradox Institute thought of this situation. My eyes lit up when I saw this video thumbnail. Thank you for your analysis!
so true xD
Same here!!
Always appreciate your summaries & share them widely. There's one more possibility that should be metioned: When you have an athlete with XY chromosomes, male-range testosterone, and visible male muscle mass suggesting male puberty; you may simply have a healthy, genetically normal male who is trying to pass themselves off as female in order to win a medal.
It's also worth mentioning that, even if there is a DSD; whatever the confusion in childhood, and whatever the difficulties a DSD male may suffer in puberty, there's zero chance that these men don't know they're men by the time of Olympic competition. Whatever injustices they suffered as young people, they know by now that they shouldn't be punching women in the face. One injustice doesn't justify another.
So what? The IOC goes by passport classification and Algeria doesn’t allow for sex changes on passports. Why are placing the onus on Khelif? If you have a gripe, it’s with the IOC rules committee. And all athletes play by the same rules and they all consent to it. Boxing is intrinsically dangerous and boxers routinely tap out of fights or have their corner throw in the towel.
💯💯💯
Just came back to acknowledge that you were on target with the 5-ARD speculation, given the leaked 2023 report that just hit.
5 ard is the same as caster seyema has
Caster Semanay would probably be allowed to run if she was willing to take testosterone reducing medication.
Thank you! He’s a man.
Thanks for this amazing content. I believe that, provided nothing gets in its way, the channel will eventually go viral
I think we can all agree on two things: 1, not how high the level of testosterone is but rather WHY the testosterone is high and 2, unless proven the presence of XY chromosomes we can only speculate. Personally, I tend to agree towards what's shown in this video. Have a nice day.
Excellent excellent overview Zac
I was waiting for this video lol.
Thank you for speaking clearly and scientifically about this man's case.
You guys gonna do a longer video about that or just this one?
thanx,Zach :D
thanks for the overview
What would a rigorous set of tests be to determine his sexual status?
Karyotype with molecular dyes that will show the SRY gene. Then to narrow it down, medical team would do physical examination, ultrasound if needed, and finally to narrow it down to the exact condition, they can test for genetic mutations that relate to the leftover options.
They can even test for androgen insensitivity by testing the AR gene, which is mutated in cases of CAIS and PAIS, etc
@@ParadoxInstitute suppose an athlete has a defective ovary and defective internal testis. Neither gonad produces gametes. Is such a person male or female? What other criteria / factors would determine sex for such a person? Seems like your channel emphasizes a gamete binary as the sole determinant of sex. But some people don’t produce any gametes, and some people have bodies with defective gonads of both sexes.
@@ParadoxInstitute in case of CAIS they would not be able to participate in Olympics, thought. Because without androgenes - muscles do not have muscle memory and it is extremely hard to train them. Almost always XY women with CAIS are weaker physicly than typical women with XX. With PAIS there is different situation, tho - as they can be responsive to hormones that are helping to build muscle mass.
Any sources to show that they definitely failed a chromosomal and testosterone test?? As far as I can find they haven't released any specific information on what test they exactly failed
That's because it's confidential and they don't want the information released.
he is just yapping he has no source
@@sorenkierke57 it was confirmed by the boxers trainer in a interview in the French press
@@pipgalea1376no it wasnt, redux completely misrepresented his words
@@sorenkierke57The Algerian team apparently signed off the result (there has been something shown online), and more importantly, didn't challenge it. Now, if I, as an athlete, was suddenly banned from a World Championship because a test was wrong, and accusing me of being the OPPOSITE SEX, I would be straight down to the nearest lab arranging for another. Any hospital with a scanner could show what internal plumbing there is, and be very quick. The Algerian team didn't do any of this so we have to ask "Why not..?"
"High testosterone" is very vague. Women with a naturally high level of testosterone for a woman are allowed to compete. Khelif doesn't have that. Khelif has a naturally normal level of testosterone for a man. A level that can only be produced by testes, not doping.
Thanks. I have a question. Is it possible to have a Y chromosome and be a woman, or not have a Y and be a man? Is the Y chromosome present in I. Khelif proof that he is man? I'm a bit confused as to what the basic thing is that we know someone is male and female. I know from your videos that it is about the reproductive system, gametes. But I have also heard the opinion that the presence of the Y chromosome is decisive. If someone has it, he is a man. But that doesn't fit with the possibilities when a woman can also have a Y chromosome, if that's the case. Thank you.
Yes Sawyer would be considered female with xy, they have neither ovaries or testes, but uterus fallopian tubes vagina and with extension help can give birth. There's xx male, de la Chapelle syndrome. Although I follow two particular scientists on Twitter and have seen extensive back and forth where one camp insists "if there's a y it's a guy" so would say Swyer is male, and similarly xx with sry gene aka de la Chapelle is female. So who knows
I will answer that question for him. Yes, you can have XY and be a woman and you can have XX and be a man biologically speaking. People are dumb and because they heard when they were little that XY is the only reason why we have the categories of male and females, they run with that statement. The problem is that they are confusing sex determining system with the actual reason why we have Sex in the first place. Some species have different number of sex chromosomes , others species do not have sex chromosomes at all and they differentiate in male and female based on the temperature of their incubation (see cocodriles). So no, the Genotype usually determine if you are male or female, but this doesn't mean it is the reason on why we define these categories in this way in the first place
XY is are usually male, but not necessarily male. XY makes to conditions to be male, but some times those conditions can get messed up due to mutations. Such as Swyer syndrome.
- Male and female means being of the type that produces "small" or "large" gametes.
- XY is called male genotype (karyotype I guess, but who cares), because Y chromosome carries stuff with it that tells the fetus to go down male development (organs to produce small gametes). UNLESS Y doesn't carry shit and therefore doesn't tell the fetus "close off female path". And if female path wasn't suppressed you get organs that are primed for upkeep of large gametes, which by definition and principle means female, even if genotype is male - it failed at what male genotype is supposed to do, the organism is now female.
- Saying that "if they have Y - they are male" would by definition of male and female be wrong, because we define sex according to what type of gamete a body can produce. It's universal to all sexually reproducing species.
- If a human have testis - male gonads for producing small gametes - by definition they are male. Regardless of any other structures of the body, there is no means of making that human capable of producing or even upkeeping large gametes.
- If you have XY genotype there is a very low chance that you don't have testis. If you do, you have male levels of testosterone, which in reality is higher than any female can achieve even in worst cases (20+ times more testosterone then women).
- Again, the only way you can naturally have testosterone of male levels is by having testis to produce it. And if you have testis you are a male. If you had XX chromosomes and had functioning testis - you would be male. Chromosomes are an instructor, it doesn't matter what the instructor says when defining the result, only what the observable result is: what gametes a body could produce and/or upkeep, small or large.
- Use any analogy of your liking to envision it: you had an instruction to build a fridge out of parts you were given and only one attempt. In the end you assembled a box that can (or could potentially) heat things up and cannot (never under any circumstances) cool them. Because for some reason (e.g. instructions unclear) you've put a heating element in it, and it can only have either that or a cooling element. You cannot claim that that box is a freezer just because the instruction says on the cover in big letters "FREEZER". Only thing that matters is what function it has after being assembled.
Hope you were genuinely curious and hope this helps!
@@Xenono54So it's safe to assume that if a person has female reproductive organs they are female, no matter what, and if they have male reproductive organs they are male, no matter what.
How can we know Khelif has male reproductive organs besides the XY chromosomes report, his high T levels and obviously masculine appearance?
Thank you 🎉
What is it about taking testosterone suppressing drugs that would rule out CAIS? in both 5-ARD and CAIS the circulating T in the blood would decline, right? If so, that doesn't differentiate between the two. Is it *only* that his muscle mass decreased that rules or CAIS?
Sorry, I meant PAIS not CAIS. Can't seem to edit my comment!
Qui est son gynécologue? Je crois que lui connaît la vérité 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♀️
IF SRY genes are absent, can they have testis?
I have a peculiar question: do all women that have XY or all man that have XX necessary have always a DSD?
I'm not asking if they are male or female, but rather if they have always a DSD or not.
I was with the idea that if hypothetically a woman with XY is relative healthy or can even reproduce then she doesn't have a dsd, same with XX men.
But apparently the discrepancy of the genotype and phenotype alone is enough per se to define a person with a DSD according to some sources
So i was wondering, is it possible to such people to not have a DSD? Heck, is it even possible that XY females and XX males, even if able to reproduce, do not have any type of disorder or disadvantage compared to the rest of the population of their sex?
There’s no such thing as female with Y. Period
Good question, I'm curious too. It might be a... not quite biological matter tho, right? Considering that an enlarged clitoris is considered a DSD, for example, as I hear...
"Discrepancy of the genotype and phenotype" wouldn't be so much of a culprit tho, right? Since if you have genes that are responsible for sex development and they are not functioning in a way they optimally should and usually do that's a, well, difference xD and it's a difference in the common way sex develops, so... DSD?
Some people have answered to the same question from another similar comment. You'll find extensive explanations that might help you figure it out. Hope it helps 👍🏻
@@4651adri No, they didn't answer that question. The question you are refering to was related if XY Females can exist in the first place. I was one of the people that answered that question in that comment. My question is far more complex and counter intuitive: Does having a female genotype and a male phenotype (or viceversa) always DEFINITIONALLY constitute a DSD (disorder of sex development, now is even being called more often difference in sex development) regardless on how "healthy" the individual is?
Nobody have fully answered this question in the comment section. Even sources on the net are contradictory with each other, so it is not something that a layman can easily answer since it is probably based on a convention on what a DSD is in the first place or knowledge about the fact that DSD always lead to some disadvantage in some place when it comes to sexual development, even if fertility is possible
@@Xenono54 That's why some scientist make a difference between "True Interesex conditions" (true DsD) and other types of conditions (like the one you mentioned or just endocrinological issues).
I remember the rate in onset of Intersex was prevelant during the conversations around Trans people, that's how i remember the papers and scientists that indeed said that we need to be carefull in define what an Intersex person really is
I believe Imane is pronounced either "Ih-monny" or "Ee-monny."
Wrong. It's pronounced Ee-mahn with accent on 2nd syllable.
Can you share your sources for the claims of XY chromosones, and/or high testosterone levels? Really helpful explanation of the possible DSDs if those claims are true, but I've not found anything backing them up.
Again, because they cannot release medical information. That is confidential information. Iba said they have done such test and that she was inelegible for those criteria of eligibility. Iba is legally bound to not share medical information due to privacy, so they cannot release the findings without the permision of the subject, hence why we don't even know for sure her condition, but if IBA statements are even 1% true, then it is extremely likely that everything said in this video apply (including they likely conditions).
OK, here's the procedure at the International Boxing Association, IBA:
- Men are not allowed to box women. If a female boxer believes an opponent is male, she can ask for a gender test
- The IBA does not do the tests. These are outsourced to local but CAS-accredited labs. (CAS being the highly respected, Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration for Sport)
- Results of tests are not made public by the IBA but only shared with the relevant athletes and their teams. So if you fail a doping test, the IBA will not say what kind of doping and how much. Only the suspended athlete has the right to decide whether or not to make the results public. In the case of a test for biological sex, however, failing the test can only mean one thing: having a Y chromosome resulting in male levels of T. Because that is what the test tests: is there a Y chromosome or not.
- The tests Imane Khelif (an Lin Yu-Ting btw) failed were done in Istanbul 2022 and Mumbai 2023, by local CAS-accredited labs.
- Athletes can appeal, but if they do, the results are made public by default. That is why Lin Yu-Ting never appealed, and why Khelif at first appealed but then revoked the appeal.
There is an urban myth about Khelif "only being tested by the Russian-dominated IBA after she beat a Russian opponent" but that is untrue for several reasons:
- The test was ordered before she beat that Russian in 2023, and the other test was already in 2022
- The IBA is not "Russian-dominated" at all. Its current president is Russian but his predecessors were from Morocco, Taiwan, USA. After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, his VP was replaced by a Ukrainian.
- Again, the IBA doesn't test anyone, that is done by independent labs and those tests were in Turkey and India.
- The corruption scandals of the IBA are purely financial in nature, nothing to do with tests, and the IOC is infinitely more corrupt anyway.
I heard she has agonadal dysgenesis 46 xy. But the problem for those natural cases is that the person grows as a woman all her life than she discovers in 2022 she has this anomalie. She must be in denial it is hard for her to accept that. So i find that the contradiction is in the occidental world. The alignement in norms of participation must be commun . Its unfair to point iman instead of pointing the contradictions of norms between iba and ioc. Because she didnt break the law. She participated legally.
I agree that medical information must not be published and must be seen only by specialists in genetics and doctors. This case must go to justice. I can not belive all what it is told everywhere and i dont have the knowledge nor the complete information to judge.
Well ironically i was wishing that you make a video about this subject to clarify medical facts because dumb people think they know a lot ; they can diagnose easily by knowing only the abbreviation of medical term😂
why are you lying, and why you are saying what we know since you dont know anything at all
Go and watch interview of Brianda Cruz. She literally faced imane in boxing ring, atleast she won't lie.
@@Asssstyuhddf good logic if someone said something that mean its true, you are right then, anything said its true, i dont know why the word to lie exist
@@KermBouch Bro, if I blindly believe what I see then surely it's the matter with you as well. Your beliefs are what made you to believe that imane is a woman. I'm a athletic football girl myself and 100 percent sure that imane is not a woman. Biology doesn't care about feelings.
@@Asssstyuhddf so you mean that yourself did a biologic test on her, why dont you understand all that was said to stop her to win and she did, the storie ended only for you it did not, go and learn about boilogy and then speak, she was born girl and dont tel me about the xx et xy thing go read about it and then come back.. if she was a loser know one would talk about that, if she was a wasterner and a man who did change sex now one would talk, there is mens who did where in the game but because they were from the west no one did talk but because she is from africa then she cant be a woman go and learn something.... if there is game that do mean some are stranger than the others and not only that some a men ..
You speak with great confidence for someone who has no source .
You lost me at calling a naturally born woman a 'he.' Give me a break.
Biology doesn't care about anyone's feelings. Imane was meant to be born male, but due to this condition they assumed them as female. We're sympathetic towards imane, they've struggled alot and everyone respects them for that. But someone who has gone through male puberty is quite dangerous to box with biological females as it can result in serious injuries and death in worse case.
AFAB is not the same as naturally born woman.
According to medical reports Imane has internal testes, XY chromsomes, and a micro penis. He isn't a natural born female. He is someome who has been misclassifed because of his ambigous genitalia at the time of birth.
Are you sure that your sources are legit, because I know her trainers and the previous ones too, none of them is the one mentioned in the one minute article you read.
The IBA also said that they never tested for testosterone so where is the information about Imane's high T levels come from?
@@dorothymadden7523It’s from doping screening.
They didn’t test for testosterone specifically but they had the information from doping screening.
Go watch interview of Brianda Cruz.
@@dorothymadden7523 Because the IBA never tests for T. The IBA never tests anything.
Independent, CAS-accredited labs do the testing. And in the case of a bio sex test, they test for chromosomes, not T.