If Everyone Had An Echo Fighters [Smash Talk]
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2021
- Super Smash Bros brought us the interesting idea of Echo Fighters, so I thought I would show my picks for Echo Fighters for characters who don't already have them.
0:00 Intro
1:15 N64 Fighters
3:10 Melee Fighters
5:16 Brawl Fighters
9:50 Wii U/3DS Fighters
14:05 Ultimate Fighters
18:25 Outro
I really hope you enjoy this video.
I put in a lot of time, and I had a lot of fun making it. - Ігри
UPDATE:
For Kazuya, since I couldn't really find any other character that used the Mishima fighting style and the Devil Gene. I went with Jin (was hesitant to pick him at first).
Similarites:
-Use forms of Karate
-Inherited the Devil Gene
-Jin played Kazuya's role in Tekken 3
Differences:
-Side B replaced with Demons Spear.
-Powerful, less escapable 5 punch combo
-Jin will use low poly Tekken 3 model (as tribute and to better match Kazuyas moves)
As for Sora, he was easier, Roxas.
Similarites:
-Users of Keyblade and magic
-Floaty and combo attacks
-Roxas is Sora's Nobody
Differences:
-Faster attacks with duel keyblades
-Elemental attacks replaced with variations of light magic and beams of light
-Final Smash uses Roxas' Limit Break Magic Hour
I love the changes you made to make Roxas feel more like himself.
As a potential full Echo alternative to your Semi-Clone I can think of no one better than Xion for reasons I will list in the Read More because spoilers (I'll try to keep it brief like you did).
Similarities:
-A Keyblade wielder explicitly shown to not just use but be very proficient in all the same spells
-Single Keyblade like Sora, same Keyblade as Sora, and retains his stance and combat style which Roxas outgrew
-Xion is an imperfect Replica of Sora
Differences:
-Something to represent the fact that she's more of a Mage-type wielder... perhaps slightly stronger Specials but slightly weaker Combos?
-Swap Sonic Blade with Event Horizon both to work in her heavier focus on Light magic and because she only used Sonic Blade under a very specific set of circumstances (probably too much of a change since there's no existing move to copy like with Chrom's Up-B but still thought it was worth mentioning)
-Final Smash would take from one or more of her forms during her Days boss fight
EWWW SORA
why so hesitant to pick jin first, kazumi has the devil gene but uses a different fighting style, and heihachi uses the mishima fighting style but not the devil gene, AND NOT TO MENTION JIN LITERALLY REPLACED KAZUYA IN TEKKEN 3
Jin used Mishima Style Karate in Tekken 3 while Devil Jin uses a mixture of T3 Jin's and Devil's movesets, so Jin works very well as an Echo here. He can also use a bunch of his old moves with Omen in the Tag Tournament titles, so it's not like it's impossible to have him be an Echo here. He'd also still have the 10-hit combo as every Tekken character has a 10-hit.
I'd argue that you don't need everything to be the same for them to be an echo. Ken has different moves from Ryu in general despite being an echo, so Jin can still be an echo while having different enough moves.
For Steve you COULD have gone with Herobrine, but the villager was a way better choice
The fact that Shadow has never been a playable character in a Smash game is shocking to me.
You think that's shock8ng?
What about tails?
@@ricardomarchan9945 Or even Eggman ? Heroes are sometimes good but playing as the villains is awesome (like Sonic Aventure 2).
It’s more shocking that he was made as an assist trophy to begin with.
@@ricardomarchan9945 knuckles could have worked too. Look at Project M/Project + the knucklehead was fully realized as a fighter by fans.
@@darksonicyt5430 well for brawl and smash 3ds and wii u we all thought it wouldn't be possible since 3rd parties didn't have a second rep of the same franchise they originated from.
But with smash ultimate breaking that rule by bringing in Richter Belmont and later Ken Masters as echos we all thought shadow would have a chance. Plus the Sonic series is the only 3rd party series to stay in smash consistently since brawl. So giving us shadow wouldn't have been too much to ask but because smash mostly caters to the Japanese audience and sega is still afraid to let other sonic characters be in the spotlight so getting another sonic character was never in the characters.
Fun fact: Diddy Kong was originally gonna be paired with Dixie Kong
Shoulda happened
That would have been sick tbh
@@bestbirdley2674 is that you duster
Here are some of my ideas that weren't featured in this video
Luigi: Mr. L (I admittedly came up with this long before Gooigi ever existed)
Capt. Falcon: Black Shadow (gives Ganon another reason to have a unique moveset)
Sheik: Impa (This was honestly what I thought your pick was before you revealed it)
Ice Climbers: Plusle & Minun (from the Pokémon games, inspired by a popular Brawl theory)
Pichu: Ukulele Pichu (The Pokémon Ranger series is represented practically nowhere in Smash)
Mewtwo: Shadow Mewtwo (Pokkén Tournament- think Mewtwo but if it was a shoto)
Bowser Jr, more specifically the Koopalings: The Broodals (from Mario Oddesey)
Rosalina: The Cosmic Witch (shows up after dying 5+ times in the same level in Mario Galaxy 2)
Petey Piranha: Dino Piranha (This one's a bit different because Petey is only part of a Final Smash in Ultimate)
Cuphead Mii Costume: Mugman (Miis don't have their own version of Echo Fighters)
Steve: Herobrine (Minecraft in Smash already broke the Internet once, let's do it again)
ineresting but the broodals only consist of 4 and that would also make topper the bowser jr of the main so they would all need one color each
@@justanothersilentprotagoni9139 I suppose it could work like how Hero is, where there’s four of them that share a moveset. The set itself could be a mixture of all the Broodals’ standard attacks
Shoto Mega Mewtwo X would be dope
Steve can go a little further. Each skin could have an alt. Steve: Herobrine eyes for all his skins basically as u said, Alex with Herobrine eyes cuz why not, Zombie turns to the Husk and Enderman can turn into a Blaze or other skinny mob to fit his build.
Impa is so weird though, mostly because her design between games is SOOOOOO inconsistent. She also uses much heavier weapons than Sheik does.
I feel like Dunban would be a better echo, considering he actually uses the Monado, I hope you just don’t mind another character that hurts themself
Here are some interesting ideas I have that I haven't heard elsewhere.
Nintendo Labo is the most unique echo I have heard for my main Game & Watch(Ms Game&Watch is not canon) though my idea was Stanley from other of the Game and Watch titles like Donkey Kong 3 and Greenhouse, you could also pull from any of Game & Watch's attacks and have them as the whole moveset but Stanley feels like the most iconic and would be more expressive.
I had thought of a strange one for Rosalina. Princess Shroob. Compared to Peach, Shroob would work better with the energy style attacks Rosalina has and the Luma could be a Shroob which would be Groundbound.
Ridley had a lot of variations. The Original design on the NES Manual looks so different from what Ridley is now that I think it'd be really awesome to see.
Stanley I can get behind. He might be a good fit. Game and Watch without a doubt one of the hardest characters to think of an echo for. I didn't want to just a character like many people who thought of a "Miss Game and Watch", plus having him now change forms midfight made him VERY hard to pick just one.
Princess Shroob I can totally see, might even be a better choice than Lubba! Shooting piercing lasers rather than starbits, a forcefield instead of a gravity pull, and using shroobs for an overall heavier and ground focused fighter would be a really interesting take on Rosalina.
As for Ridley, he was hard too... I did look at the OG design. But I didn't feel right picking THAT variant, both for flightlessness, and parts of his OG design like one of his alts and his fireballs made it into Ridley. Plus Neo Ridley technically being a separate character made me more comfortable to pick him.
inkling users when seeing a similar character, but stronger : **SMASH GAMEPLAY NOISES INTENSIFY**
For Pyra and Mythra, I'd say going with Poppi makes a lot more sense than what you picked, primarily due to Poppi having multiple forms in-canon, *and* basically being an artificial Aegis in her third form (QTπ).
Basically, she'd be able to swap between her α and QT forms in much the same way as Pyra and Mythra, however these forms combined have a weaker moveset overall than the Aegis Twins. However, similar to Joker, Poppi would have a meter that builds up over time or when taking/dealing damage, which lets her use QTπ form in place of QT form, and powers up α form's attacks as well.
This is a nod to how QTπ is quite literally the strongest blade available to the player stats-wise, even if she isn't in canon, and how the Ch7 spoiler you picked as your echo is also a timed super mode in battle.
Ha, cutiepie
Ok, seriously.
What the heck happened? Where'd you all come from?
After nearly a year of being stuck with less then 100 views, how'd this video suddenly take off to 7000+ in a few days?
Whatever that reason may be, thank you all. It warms my heart to see so many people watching, and talking about my video. As well as seeing all the ideas for Echo Fighters you all came up with! You folks are fantastic!
I think I got recommended to this from mockrocks channel
thats the algorithm for ya
This video was in my reccommeded today.
Very really great video!
i thought the thumbnail looked attractive so i’m here now
Think another echo fighter that could’ve worked perfectly for Sonic is Blaze, given how she’s basically just a Sonic from a different dimension, and use fire instead of wind. Wouldn’t need to change much of Blaze’s moveset, just a faster homing attack (one similar to what she does in 06) make the side B a boost, make the up B her double jump from 06, and the down B being her Sonic Rush Spindash. Her final smash would obviously be Burning Blaze which would just be a Super Sonic swap (or they may do something different).
Shadow although sometimes playing exactly like Sonic, deserves to be his own character since he does have a lot of differences.
Metal Sonic shouldn’t be considered an echo since he has a bunch of moves that Sonic doesn’t have and also deserves to be his own character.
I was thinking making Impa an echo for Shiek. More killing power, but slower and weaker combo game.
Kinda similar to Mario and Dr. Mario
I think you missed the point of what an Echo is. It's just model swapping character with the least amount of changes which result in less dev time. Changing skeletal size and changing several moves literally goes against that principle since that basically makes them a new character and also that requires lots of work. And to clarify changing damage outputs, speed or effects doesn't require much effort, I'm talking about actual animation.
-Birdo doesn't have a tongue, it would be hard to pull of Birdo as an echo since you'd be redesigning half of Yoshi's moves.
-Wiggliyuff couldn't work as it wouldn't be able to share the same character skeleton and height as Jigglypuff. Animations couldn't just be swapped easily and at that point you'd have a lot of work be put into it rather making an actual echo.
-At this point the Baby bros couldn't work, already the Climbers are higher than the babies, but lets ignore that since canon height not always matters. But your idea of changing specials would literally make them brand new characters.
-Gardevoir makes no sense. Again, they don't share the same build, as an actual echo Mewtwo's movements can't translate to Gardevoir. Not to mention it has additions of having more appendages moving like a skirt/dress.
-Again 9 Volt doesn't share the same Skelton build as Wario and none of his moves can match which means you'd have to completely remake him to work.
-I theory Black Knight could work, the problem is Ike has lots of agile acrobatic moves which Black Knight couldn't do. So either you make something look bad or you make a brand new character which an echo isn't.
-Your idea for Rival again can't work since you'd be designing 3 brand new characters, that's not an echo.
-Toy Con Robot does not share the same build as ROB
-Lubba is the worst example yet. It has no similarities with Rosalina in terms of build.
-Same as before, Accelgor shares no build similarities with Greninja
okay
GIRL WHY DID U CALL HIM OUT LIKE THAT GN
There was no reason to do this much- I mean, can't you tell that he's clearly stretching the meaning of an echo fighter? He doesn't include Mario, Dr. Mario, Fox, or Falco because they're similar. If he actually sat down and tried to look for echo fighters that fit everything that most of the true echo fighters did, it would be nearly impossible to make this video. Most of the characters don't have another character that echo's them perfectly in every way or even near perfectly, especially within their own franchise. It really isn't as serious as you're making it. We get it, it's not a true echo fighter video, but your criticism also doesn't do much because you fail to give an example of any other character he could choose instead.
@@Sanas_Shy_Language bye.. why did they tell me u commented this i’m not ready this long unnecessary paragraph
@@Sanas_Shy_Language I know he was stretching but that's a lot of examples
For Byleth, I think the Monster Hunter would be great. Spear can be replaced with the Lance or Insect Glaive, that big thing for the down air and other stuff could be the Hammer or Greatsword, Sword could be, well, the Sword and Shield, and the Bow could be the Bow, maybe with three weaker shots. For the little whip attacks, they could be a difference with those being varied throughout the move set (maybe some longsword or switch axe attacks). Final smash could be maybe something to do with wyvern riding from rise, and up B could be a wirebug that just shoots you up instead of a grapple.
The law of echo fighters is sane franchise
I love the video! I think in the future, you should try to mix the bgm lower, since it overpowers your voice sometimes.
I think that Black Shadow would have been cool as a Falcon echo, where he is essentially Melee Ganon (strong slower Falcon, but none of the magic or sword)
Captain Toad and Toadette were my idea for the icyies. Fire instead of tce for the sideB, and Turnips instead of ice chunks for the nutral B, and picks instead of hammers. The Final Smash would summon a Captain toad stage instead of an Iceburg, but would function the same (with klepto instead of a condor if needed)
Gooigi could have a paint mechanic like inklings
I think that Inteleon is a good pick for greninja's echo. Replace the multi-hit water shuriken with a single hit Snipe shot, and shadowsneak with inteleon turning invisible and then striking. Its final smash would be g-max ineleon on its snipe tower in the background and be similar to ZSS's final smash.
For anyone wondering why Ms. Pac-Man was never used as an Echo fighter or hasn't been in any Pac-Man games recently it's quite a complicated debate you see Namco didn't make her she was made by a different set of people and they had an agreement signed with Namco for them to use her however in the 2010's some very complicated legal stuff happened and to sum it up Namco can no longer use the character but they have been trying to replace her with characters such as Pac-Girl and what-not if you want a more indepth video discussing the entire situation I recommend "The Disappearance of Ms. Pac-Man." by Jonii it's a very well made video that really helped to easily explain and understand the ongoing situation and what led to her being retired from the franchise as a whole.
Okay, I know I am a little late for this, But I honestly think Sumi Yoshizawa Could also work for Joker since one of Joker's alt is a reference to Akechi.
"And for his neutral special, he wields a *G U N* ."
Absolutely love to see the algorithm bless a small channel, great video!
I honestly now kind of want Wigglytuff, Gardevoir, and Pokemon Rival added as characters now. (Also Shadow because I'm honestly surprised that he wasn't just added back in smash 4.)
Blaziken could work for captain falcon. I know it’s a little odd. But both have similar body types, use fire and fight up close and personal. Blaziken could be faster (not as fast as sonic but faster than falcon) and a tad weaker (still strong, with an f-smash around Mario’s strength) Black shadow could work as a substitute for Jody if you want a pick from F-zero since black shadow is muscular like falcon, but could be a bit slower (still in the top 15 for speed) but a bit stronger (an f-smash of similar strength like bowser or incineroar).
Fun fact: Mario is the only character who has had two semi-clones in the past but lacks an Echo Fighter
I don't play Minecraft and even I know a good idea for Steve's echo. Jesse from Minecraft Story Mode
Echo fighters were weird in the sense that they gave them a name. We always had clones, but giving them a name and able to stack them made it seem like they should have given them to the whole cast
Really well made video!
For Steve, I personally would have gone with Jesse, Petra, Ivor, and Radar from Minecraft Story Mode, where their main differences could be power and speed vs bulk, and their final smash could be that gauntlet from the final episode
I'd love to see Liquid Snake as snakes echo just to hear Cam Clarke
I personally am surprised that out of every character in ssbu two of the modt iconic (kirby and sonic) don’t have the main and iconic villains as characters eggman, metal sonic, shadow, knuckles, tails, and the dark matter family tree. Although I do think metal sonic would be a terrific echo fighter for sonic. But personally, I think gooey would be a better fit for kirbys echo fighter, cause he was made to be a second player for kirby and has a similar look/design to kirby.
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If anything, I’d say a fitting echo fighter for Joker would have to go to Violet (aka Sumire Yoshizawa).
Violet takes heavy inspiration from Joker already and can both have similar moves, just have Violet’s be tweaked a bit to match her graceful style and the fact she uses a rapier to fight instead of a knife and she’s obviously be able to summon Cendrillion as her persona instead of Joker summoning Arsene. Plus both characters are meant to mirror each other in gameplay, story and design so it’s a pretty good choice.
Gardevoir would be unable to use any of Mewtwo's tail attacks which make up a majority of his moveset. So I don't think that's a great pick. Especially since the main reason for echoes are to include more characters without significantly increasing the development time. Having to rejig all of gardevoir's animations would be a lot more work, they would also need to do something about her being in the pokeball item.
Same problem comes with making Blue have different pokemon. Blastoise isn't anything like Charizard or even squirtle and charmeleon can't do any of Charizards wing attacks meaning they'd have to make a bunch of new normals and smash attacks. The animations just wouldn't translate, at that point you'd just making a totally new character.
Exactly It doesn't make any freaking sense. Gardevoir WOULD have a totally different Moveset.
Shadow Mewtwo was the pick for Mewtwo, Although it too could have different moves (at example Miracle Eye instead of confusion)
Maybe Mew
@@darksonicyt5430 New could work like Pichi but would still be too small to be a proper Mewtwo Echo
For Byleth, I would say Nemesis fits best because they both use the same sword and you can definitely just give him the spear, axe, and bow since Nemesis commanded the original users of those weapons and since Byleth doesn't actually use them in game
10:32 Giving Lubba access to only the the co-star luma is an incredible detail and I absolutely love it.
1:55
YES! Glad to see someone else gave Mirror/Shadow Kirby the nod as a good Semi-Clone candidate for Kirby; considering the focus for Kirby's kit is more a "Greatest Hits album" with an occasional new bit like Ultra Sword, I can see Mirror Kirby having more of the older single-attack CA's in Amazing Mirror (plus Adventure & the Dark Matter Trilogy for coverage) with minor edits for stats & animations, though Gooey, Keeby & Batamon from DL3 would also be fun options
Smash team: ok, who wants to be in smash
Glass joe: ... My time has come
A little misinformation with Jeanne’s witch time. Her witch time actually lasts WAY longer than Bayo’s but is restricted (only activates when she Moth Withins (aka Bat Within)), idk how it would work in this game but yeah her witch time is much better than Bayo’s in their games
ROB should have a new character, ROD (robotic operating destroyer). He's just a tanky evil rob who looks like an n64
For Luigi’s echo fighter, I was thinking about Gluigi or Mr.L, his dark form from Super Paper Mario.
Honestly. I can see where that’s coming from. But at the same time I don’t see it much more then an alt costume for Luigi as well.
Technically, this came out a year before Three Hopes came out. if this video would be redone or have waited for another year, Byleth's Echo fighter (if for real) would be Shez. They are really similar in many ways, maybe you can set the difference in the fact that Shez is more glass cannon (has better attacking reach but easier to push away) and the final smash of course featuring Arval instead - however, Smash Ultimate already have got it's remaining fighters already. Not to mention pressure on the number of Fire Emblem characters in SSBU.
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Fox and falcos overlapping moves include, f tilt, down smash, back air side b, up b. That's all. They absolutely deserve echos.
That’s fair. The more I think about it, they’re much more their own thing, with different speeds, properties, weight, etc.
I guess since they have similar yet different takes on attacks (neutral specials, down specials, final smash, etc.) I put them both together.
As for echoes for the both of them. The other Star Fox members maybe? James (Fox’s dad) is a popular pick. But Falco? I’m not so sure…
@@justjeffrey5941 definitely. I think James fits well, but he's also almost identical outside of a pair of sunglasses. An idea I has was to make slippy a conjunction echo, like take traits and moves from fox and Falco so that he's a semi clone of both.
im gonna talk about Hero for a bit. I appreciate that you used Erik from Dragon Quest 11, but I feel as though Hendrik could work better. he’s a sword user like Hero (Erik technically CAN use swords, but he typically is depicted with knives) and they do have some similarities with body type since they both have long hair.
You did mention you didn’t play the Dragon Quest games so it’s completely fine lol, just thought id say my opinion. Great video btw!
I think Giygas fit Mewtwo a lot more than Gards, also Earthbound Beginnings needs a rep, the game is so underated.
And for Pyra/Mythra I would want to their echoes be Lora/Haze from the game's DLC Torna the Golden Country. I just love the DLC and want it to be recognized from years to come.
I have seen Giygas (Aka giygue in that game) thrown around a bunch. But I made a rule for myself to use fighters from the same series for Echoes.
I’ve yet to play Xenoblade Chronicles 2, much less the DLC. What’s Haze and Lora like?
I really wish you gave your text an outline, I could barely read some things like how Birdo is different from Yoshi
Also some choices I'd have gone with instead (will be updating this as I watch the video):
-James McCloud over Falcon, mostly just because he'd gain Fox's blaster instead of Falcon Punch
-Dry Bowser over Bowser since he is much more iconic than Midbus and would become a glass cannon with a significant decrease in weight and slightly worse recovery but would get a faster speed and even beefier attacks
-A bit of a weird choice, but I could see the Matt Mii from the Wii series working as a clone for Wii Fit Trainer. It's not very good but we're grasping at straws here
-Ms. Pacman is in legal Hell so I'd probably go with Mappy simply because he was the 1st character I thought of that would kinda work if you changed the moves where Pacman becomes his classic form
-A Nintendog and some random pigeon it found outside could work for Duck Hunt too
Awesome my guy
Great video! Another good echo fighter for piranha plant could be chain chomp, who has more range and damage, with more end lag on his moves.
For Snake, there is already a co-op Metal Gear Solid game, The Twin Snakes.
I made my own list that doesn't have any rules, if they can be an echo then they are, I was stumped on 4 characters but I made up something, here's the list.
1. Shadow Mario for Mario
2. Funky for Donkey Kong
3. Dark Link for Link
4. Birdo for Yoshi
5. Waddle Dee for Kirby
6. James McCloud for Fox
7. Raichu for Pikachu
8. Gooigi for Luigi
9. Ninten for Ness
10. Blood Falcon for Captain Falcon
11. Igglybuff for Jigglypuff
12. Dark Bowser for Bowser
13. Baby Mario Bros. for Ice Climbers (the first hard one)
14. Impa for Shiek
15. Hilda for Zelda
16. Dr. Luigi for Dr. Mario
17. Plusle and Minun for Pichu
16. Leon for Falco
17. Ravio for Young Link
18. Demise for Ganondorf
19. Dark Mewtwo for Mewtwo
20. Ms. Game and Watch for Mr. Game and Watch
21. Morpho Knight for Meta Knight
22. Gandrayda for ZSS
23. Booster (Mario RPG) for Wario (same body shape, 2nd hard one)
24. Liquid Snake for Solid Snake
25. The Black Knight for Ike
26. Cynthia for Pokémon Trainer
27. Dixie for Diddy
28. The Masked Man for Lucas
29. Metal Sonic for Sonic
30. Shadow Dedede for Dedede
31. Alph for Olimar
32. Zeraora or Blaziken for Lucario
33. The Virtual Boy, ultimate classic system, for R.O.B.
34. Tetra for Toon Link
35. Panther Caroso for Wolf
36. Tom Nook for Villager
37. Proto Man or Bass for Mega Man
38. Ring Fit Trainer for Wii Fit Trainer
39. Tetra and Moogle from FFVI (3rd hard one) for Rosalina and Luma
40. Doc Louis for Little Mac
41. Frogadier for Greninja
42. Medusa for Palutena
43. Ms. Pac Man for Pac Man
44. Morgan for Robin
45. Reyn for Shulk because it's always Reyn Time
46. Baby Bowser for Bowser Jr.
47. Iggy and Pet Shop from JJBA (final hard one) for Duck Hunt
48. Zack Fair for Cloud
49. Kana for Corrin
50. Octoling for Inkling
51. Neo Ridley for Ridley
52. Kaptain K. Rool for King K. Rool
53. Digby for Isabelle
54. Machoke for Incineroar
55. Muncher for Piranha Plant
56. Violet for Joker
57. Dai (DQ: The Adventure of Dai) for Hero
58. Yooka and Laylee for Banjo and Kazooie
59. Andy Bogard for Terry Bogard
60. Shez (Three Hopes) for Byleth
61. Twintelle or Ninjara for Min-Min
62. Herobrine for Steve
63. Genesis for Sephiroth
64. Pneuma for Pyra/Mythra
65. Jin for Kazuya
66. Roxas or Riku for Sora
I forgor Bayonetta💀 would just be Jeanne
I think we can do better than doc for Mac. His biggest weakness is his air game, so we could do aran ryan who jumps around a lot, or we could do great tiger who can fly.
@@linkonedgell894 I hear you but both of those fighters have unique traits like kicks and glove on a rope for Aran Ryan and Great Tiger uses magic stuff. Doc Louis would be a heavier and slower and stronger Little Mac
@@TheChosenPrime I guess, but chrom has a unique move, I don't see why we couldn't basically switch macs recovery out for min mins and use Arans rope gloves.
@@linkonedgell894 I guess you're right but I would rather see those 1 characters as their own fighters
A favorite of mine is the snow brothers from the classic snow bros as echo fighters for the ice climbers :D Neat little idea
10:40 in the other corner, with a whole 20 infractions to his name, it's the Irate Irishman, Aran Ryan
I was tempted to put Aran Ryan on there.
But, in the end I think he’s too crazy and “out there” to be compared to Mac. I actually kinda wanna see him as his own fighter in smash someday! He’d be great!
I like how you casually just spoil that Akechi becomes a Phantom Thief. He has a code name you know.
1:59 Kirby’s echo should’ve been gooey because he was the go player 2 Kirby character
Yes Paula as Ness' echo makes so much more sense. I always say this
Great video tbh. Music is a lil loud compared to your voice for some parts tho
Mad respect for the choice of Paula
Yay! Someone who shares my same opinion of Midbus being Bowser's Echo
17:07 Clearly this video was clearly uploaded before the announcement of Three Hopes
Couple notes, if anyone cares:
-I think Shadow Kirby would work better without copy abilities. It'd make him more unique, I think. Instead, more of his moves utilize copy ability essences, and he has a Dedede-esque inhale.
-Blaze would also work pretty good as a Sonic Echo, just with more fire moves. Mighty also has some potential, but that involves SEGA referencing Mighty for more than 10 seconds so it's unlikely. Shadow could work, as mentioned, but 0/10 if he doesn't have at least one gun (NAir like Joker's, maybe?). Espio could work I guess, but he'd be weird without the other Chaotix. Mecha or Metal Sonic could be fun, but would be a bit more work. If we're desperate, Classic Sonic works. Alternatively, Sash Lilac from Freedom Planet.
a bit more work. If we're desperate, Classic Sonic works. Alternatively, Sash Lilac from Freedom Planet.
-Mega Man has a few more options. I think Bass has good potential, and Roll is an actual clone of Mega Man in MvC. X, Zero, Vent/Aile, Volnutt, Megaman.exe, or Starforce, could work, but might be better with custom movesets. Rokko Chan would work, but is a fan work so is unlikely. Beck would work as well but nobody will admit it because it's Beck.
-Duck Hunt, ROB, and Icies do not work for me, but I can't think anything better. I'd reference something else NES and niche, though. Balloon Fighter and NES Open Golfer fit somewhere in there. ROB could also reference Subspace Emissary.
-Mii fighters could get Sportsmates as echoes because Nintendo hates us.
-Link was skimmed over here, but there are some options for him. Main Link could get the Hero of Time, who hasn't been in Smash since Melee. He could also get Corona from Crusader of Centy, or Ravio. NES Link is a mod that goes over Young Link, and it looks real good so we'll just steal that. Alternatively, Fierce Deity Link is a pretty obvious pick (might be a stretch as an echo fighter).Toon Link often gets Tetra listed as an echo, and that works fine but she'd fit better as an echo for Sheik/Zelda, bringing back the swap mechanic from Melee. Instead, Toon Link could get the Hero of Legend, possibly based on the Link's awakening remake.
-AoC Impa would be a good Sheik Echo on account of her being literally just Girl Naruto
-Yuga would do nicely as a Ganondorf Echo, using his paintbrush instead of Doriyah.
-This is gonna sound stupid but hear me out--Vibri from Vib-Ribbon as a Mr. G&W echo
Here’s my take of this
Mario- Paper Mario
Donkey Kong- Funky Kong
Link- Dark Link
Samus- Dark Samus
Yoshi- Birdo
Kirby- Gooey
Fox- Technically already has two Echoes being Falco and Wolf (they all share a lot of moves)
Pikachu- Pawmot
Luigi- Gooigi
Ness- Ninten
Captain Falcon- Black Shadow
Jigglypuff- Scream Tail
Peach- Daisy
Bowser- Dry Bowser
Ice Climbers- Baby Mario & Baby Luigi
Sheik- Impa
Zelda- Hilda
Dr Mario- Dr Luigi
Pichu- Emolga
Falco- Logically cannot have an echo
Young Link- Is already technically an Echo Fighter
Ganondorf- Demise
Mewtwo- Darkrai
Mr Game and Watch- Cat
Meta Knight- Galacta Knight or Morpho Knight
Zero Suit Samus- Gandradya
Wario- Shake King
Solid Snake- Venom Snake
Ike- Black Knight
Pokemon Trainer- Another Region Pokemon Trainer
Diddy Kong- Dixie Kong
Lucas- Masked Man
Sonic- Shadow
King Dedede- Bonkers
Olimar and Pikmin- Alph
Lucario- Zeraora
R.O.B- Professor Hector
Toon Link- Logically cannot have an Echo Fighter
Wolf- Logically cannot have an Echo Fighter
Villager- Isabelle
Mega Man- Proto Man
Wii fit Trainer- Reckless Safety Notice Guy.
Rosalina And Luma- Logically cannot have an Echo
Little Mac- Bald Bull
Greninja- Inteleon
Palutena- Medusa
Pac-Man- Mrs Pac-Man
Robin- Morgan
Shulk- Malos
Bowser Jr- Technically already has an Echo in the form of the Koopaling alts
Duck Hunt- Logically cannot have an Echo
Ryu- Ken
Cloud- Zack Fair
Corrin- Tiki
Bayonetta- Jeanne
Inkling- Octolings
Ridley- Omega Ridley
Simon- Richter
King K Rool- Lord Fredrik
Incineroar- Machamp
Piranha Plant- Basically any type of Piranha Plant
Joker- Any of the Phantom Thieves
Hero- Heroes from Dragon Quest 1, 2, 9, 5
Banjo & Kazooie- Logically cannot have an Echo Fighter
Terry- Geese Howard
Byleth - Nemesis
Min Min - Dr. Coyle
Steve- Technically already has an Echo in the form of the Alex, Zombie, and Enderman Alts
Sephiroth- Logically cannot have an Echo Fighter
Pyra/Mythra- Adult Rex (he can switch Aegis Swords in battle)
Kazuya- Jin Kazama
Sora- Roxas
For mario and docter mario I could see some echo possibilitys.
Such as for mario he gets a version of himself that plays like a mix of his 3d mario versions as a 2d character such as having the galaxy spin jump as his neutral b that can stall in the air and reflect projectiles on both sides, a dive for his side b and a rocket nozzle for his up along with metal mario being the echo of docter mario.
I like how wigglytuff is shiny lol
I once saw the idea and really liked it, but sceptile over mewtwo translates extremely well. Leaf blade for its f air, energy ball neutral b, it has a similar body structure. I think it works well
15:21 alternatively, Chomper from plants vs zombies if you allow third parties that aren't even in smash
Little construction criticism, it’s hard to hear you over the background music I’d recommend either lowering the volume of background music in later videos or talking louder. Other than that this was a good video
I don't think The Villager would make a good echo fighter for Steve. Changing the gimmick from crafting to trading would make Villager a completely different character rather than an echo, let alone a semi-clone. If I had to choose an echo for Steve, my pick would be Jesse from Minecraft Story Mode. With better agility, and replace the Final Smash with the Formidi-Bomb.
I think that hendrik would have fit hero better for an echo
Paula should've been an echo of Lucas instead.
In EarthBound, Paula can use PK Freeze, PK Fire, and PK Thunder, that matches Lucas perfectly.
Ms. Pacman representing Midway fighting Pac-Man representing Namco would have actually been badass, and a real Sakurai achievement. But due to Bandi working on Smash, they were probably the first ones to turn down the idea. Namco doesn't seem too keen on Ms Copycat's existence, and for good reason. I just wish they'd find some way to call it out so people stop thinking Ms. Pacman is a Namco property that they're just ignoring it. To this day people think Pacman is married.
Good video! Just a tip for future videos, the red text was really hard to read
Personally, I would’ve gone with Silver Sonic rather than Shadow. His only differences would be his charge attack and spindash jumping. Other than that during his fight he acts like an EXACT copy of Sonic
I think it would be interesting to see if you can give each character three fitting echos, if you dig deeper that could work very well, especially if Bowser for example wasnt just midbus but also dry Bowser & Paper Bowser, I still honestly think it is a shame characters don't get updated move sets as optional playstyle variants (Think about how mortal combat Games recently have this) it could make for an amazing smash Bros fighting fan game or potentially future mod expanded content, though I would be tempted for each series as a Challange to have one echo be of a different series, adding one extra from another probably like a secret by putting in the konami code, my pic for inceneroars secret echo would be Meowser from 3DWorld, I think so long as half or a third of the moveset has differences, this route is interesting to think about.. plus can you imagine a secret kinghippo punch out K Rool echo.. yeah this would work soo well for smash spacifically because of how many actual variants you could make work per character, also id say in the case of alt skins, they are replaced if they deserve to be an echo, great video !
*These are my picks*
Mario/Paper Mario, Donkey Kong/Funky Kong, Link/Linkle, Samus/Dark Samus, Yoshi/Birdo, Kirby/Bandana Waddle Dee, Fox/James, Pikachu/Raichu, Luigi/Gooigi, Ness/Ninten, Captain Falcon/Blood Falcon, Jigglypuff/Drifloon,
Peach/Daisy, Bowser/Dry Bowser, Ice Climbers/Popo & Nana Seperated, Sheik/Impa, Zelda/Hilda, Dr. Mario/Dr. Luigi, Pichu/Eevee, Falco/Krystal, Marth/Lucina, Young Link/Ravio, Ganondorf/Demise, Mewtwo/Mew, Roy/Chrom, Mr. Game & Watch/Mrs. Game & Watch,
Meta Knight/Dark Meta Knight, Pit/Dark Pit, Zero Suit Samus/Young Samus, Wario/Waluigi, Snake/Big Boss, Ike/Black Knight, Pokémon Trainer/Team Rocket (don't know which Pokémon), Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong, Lucas/Masked Man, Sonic/ Metal Sonic, King Dedede/Masked Dedede, Olimar/Louie, Lucario/Zeraora, R.O.B./Ancient Minister, Toon Link/Toon Zelda, Wolf/Andross,
Villager/Tom Nook, Mega Man/Proto Man, Wii Fit Trainer (Female)/Wii Fit Trainer (Male), Rosalina & Luma/Luma, Little Mac/King Hippo, Greninja/Frogadier, Mii Fighters/Each Other, Palutena/Viridi, PAC-MAN/Ms. PAC-MAN, Robin/Grima, Shulk/Rex, Bowser Jr./Baby Bowser, Duck Hunt/Ducks, Ryu/Ken, Cloud/Zack, Corrin/Azura, Bayonetta/Jeanne,
Inkling/Octoling, Ridley/Meta Ridley, Simon/Richter, King K.Rool/Kap'n K.Rool, Isabelle/Digby, Incineroar/Machamp, Piranha Plant/Chain Chomp, Joker/Violet, Hero/Slime, Banjo & Kazooie/Gruntilda, Terry/Andy, Byleth/Sothis, Min Min/Ninjara, Steve/Alex, Sephiroth/Kadaj, Pyra/Mythra, Kazuya/Heihachi, Sora/ The Face of Disney!
I'd say that Aran Ryan would actually be a better pick for Little Mac, acting a as a heavier, and more ranged fighter with the flail and also having stronger air attacks with the headbutts and elbows he throws out. To counter this, his ground attacks would be much weaker and his speed would be reduced to around the ground speed of game and watch
Personally I would've liked to play Master/Crazy hand or some kind of variant. Just a complete smash original outside of Taboo and the Mii Fighters.
For Ike, I’d go with his fellow mercenary, Boyd. Boyd has a very similar build to Ike and a somewhat similar fighting style, although he uses axes instead of swords. Just stick the Urvan (Ike’s inherited axe) on him and he’d be a great Ike echo fighter.
Though, for more recognizable characters, Zelgius would work (though, spoiler alert: he is the black knight). He has lighter armor than the regular black knight so he’d be able to move around faster. Also the opposite of Ike to begin with, including sword, so it makes sense in that regard.
I feel like blaze should’ve been an echo fighter, she’s technically sonic but in the future / Alternate dimension (Blaze’s world as its called)
She also has moves like spindash, but spinning like a top. Her neutral b could be flame purgation, a move where she moves and spins around hitting opponents, like meta knight but on fire.
I would keep her down b, to make her more like sonic
Her up b would be axel tornado, a fiery move to get her into the air, and goes about as high as sonics up b. She cant do aerial attacks, just a airdoge when doing it.
I feel like Shulk's echo fighter should be Malos from Xenoblade 2, so that the trio are now in Smash technically. To any Xenoblade fan, I think youd understand what Im saying and why Malos seems like a fair choice
i used to call the 8th kirby alt shadow kirby but now i more regularly call it chaos kirby.
A different final smash for Undodog and the bird i already forgot the name of
An eraser wipes the stage and starts sprinting across the enemy(ies) doing good damage. The Undodog Undo's the stage erasure and brings it back.
However if the foe was above 90% Damage before the final smash started, undodog slams the stage into the opponent, practically OHKO'ing them.
My changes:
Fox and Falco- slippy and peppy
Young link- Ravio (shop keeper in link between worlds that can have exclusive items like the hammer)
Sonic- classic Sonic, shadow should be a new fighter
Hero- young hero (having the younger protagonists like young erdrick and DQ 7 and 9 heroes)
Kazuya- Jin Kazama but make him based of the earlier games when he didn't change his Mishima fighting style while still adding his own moves like they did with ken
Bowser jr.- ANYONE but fawful- jr. is on a clown car and any enemy can use it. Fawful litteraly doesn't have a clown car and I don't care about that smash 4 mod
Mewtwo- Shadow Mewtwo (Mewtwo with a sword lol)
R.O.B.- Ancient Minister from Subspace emissary
I would do more than seven echo fighters in my fangems lol
Personally I would've Gone with Ethan/Lyra for Red/Leaf's echo. Typhlosion and Charizard have the same stat spread(well I haven't checked about nowadays so maybe that changed) and the pokemon could be original enough to be acceptable while being close enough that they are still an echo. Plus Ethan/Lyra in a lot of ways are like an echo to Red in story, defeating team rocket beating the same gym leaders(although Ethan/Lyra also beat the Johto ones first) defeating the same league(in name anyway) and having an asshole rival. Plus I could imagine a sweet Mt. Silver map and great alternate costumes. Oh yeah also they have a canonical battle with each other(minus leaf).
I think Raichu could have been a good echo for Pikachu. I know Pichu is there and all, but it would be neat seeing all three evolutions of Pikachu in the game.
(This opinion comes from me actually playing the games so spoilers ofc)
I'd think for Shulk, Zanza would be pretty raw, since he was the og wielder of the monado and is the reason shulk has visions. Being a god and all, I think it'd be sick if instead of shulks arts he can use his own original ones he uses in final fight (and/or switch between mechonis and bionis Swords like a stance fighter)
And personally Erik doesn't really work for Hero imo, (even if you can give him a sword in game)
I feel like Erdwin, the og hero in dq11s world is kinda perfect. He's already the luminary and has the same powers, so you wouldn't even have to change much
Raichu could have been an echo for Pikachu since they're in the evolution family. Not to mention Raichu doesn't damage itself like Pichu.
While I understand why Shadow was picked, and why he's such a popular choice, I still feel Metal is the only true Sonic Echo, Shadow is his own thing and has different moves then Sonic, Metal Sonic truly believes he is the one true Sonic, so much so that the reason he races Sonic in CD is to beat him at his own game, it's right up his alley to waltz right into Smash, copy Sonic's moveset, and try to beat him at his own game
Waluigi could’ve been Luigi’s echo fighter, hell they could’ve even gave Waluigi Luigi’s original negative force field Final Smash!
gooey should been kirbys echo for obvius reasons (its basically kirby dark matter edition)
How would Gardevoir do ANY of mewtwo's tail attacks?
Also I think Emboar would be an amazing Incineroar echo.
Cool
Any ideas for Sora’s Echo-Fighter? I thought Riku, but he might be too different from Sora. I thought also Roxas or Ventus, but I’m only in the middle of KHII, so I lack knowledge.
This might be possible in mods but we can only put it over existing characters and some of the moveset edits should be possible
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Blaze is RIGHT THERE
Alvis is a good pick for a Shulk echo... but he doesn't exactly have a "replica" Monado, I think you got something mixed up there. Malos is another good choice.
Rock could also use a meter system for his supers rather than Terrys desperation method.
I think that Akechi is the perfect fit, and my personal pick as well, if you are going with costumes as well as alts not being aloud id say that Kasumi is a great pick as well
Idk if anyone else had an issue with it but the music in the melee part was a little too loud for me, I could hardly hear you speak but besides that the video was really good and creative.
Instead of nibblers i think pirana would be chomper from pvz, they have the exact same body type with chomper having diferent specials
Side b would be goop, a move from pvz garden warfare, its sequel and the one we dont talk about
Neutral b: a charged wall nut atack that charges from murkadamia nut if not held, primal wall nut for a second then wall nut, then infi-nut, then explode-o nut
Up b: burrow(if grounded) or twilight dash, td has chomper grow a unicorn horn and teleport, and burrow acts like bugs bunny's burrow in multiversus
Wario’s echo fighter will be Waluigi because he’s Wario’s partner.