The HIDDEN TRUTH About Doping: The Case for LIFETIME Bans in Athletes

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  • Опубліковано 20 вер 2024

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  • @wod-science
    @wod-science  4 місяці тому +2

    Based on what I present in this video… lifetime ban or not? 👇

  • @Teumsevich22
    @Teumsevich22 2 місяці тому +3

    Great video once again, thanks ! Well this makes me think about two other scenarios.
    1) young CrossFit Athlete sees he has high talent, decides to go for 2-3 years of heavy steroid abuse to built massive strength but stays out of competition, then goes clean and focuses mainly on building his conditioning engine while maintaining strength gains forever, THEN goes to competition. I guess many have done it this way, that would be unfair to those banned athletes. But they were smarter, maybe that deserves credit ;)
    2) Transgender athletes obviously have an objective huge advantage when competing against women, but that’s an old topic…

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  2 місяці тому +1

      Pretty sad to push a young promising athlete in that direction, but I agree, probably has been done before.

  • @balledout30
    @balledout30 4 місяці тому +2

    This is an incredibly cool video. Seriously, thank you!

  • @jabbot1234
    @jabbot1234 4 місяці тому +2

    Great to start a conversation about this. I've been saying for years the long lasting effects of PEDs keeps an unfair advantage. I think the only "fair" way to do this would be to have a separate category for athletes caught using PEDs, so not a "ban" but a separate category.

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому +1

      It is an option, but you think anyone would watch the category of banned athletes. Maybe better to got full-blown 'enhanced games', given that athletes would be tested for health related parameters (hematocrit, etc...).
      Honestly, I do not know the answer. I only know that if I were an athlete I'd be super pissed to see a doped athlete coming back after a 2 to 4 year doping ban given the potential of muscle memory.

    • @casanjt8515
      @casanjt8515 3 місяці тому

      But we already have all ped athletes competing against each other lol ...😂

  • @kiuk_kiks
    @kiuk_kiks 3 місяці тому

    Great presentation. Well done.

  • @dyoolyoos
    @dyoolyoos 3 місяці тому

    Good video, thanks! Who bit your left arm??

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  3 місяці тому +1

      Got into an accident. A car decided to turn right on me. Not too serious :).

  • @ddwfw
    @ddwfw 3 місяці тому +1

    The forgiveness around steroids is sickening. Athletes often get caught years later, meanwhile they have grown their brands, got sponsorships, more money, more fame, etc.
    Their competitors missed out on all of that, and the thung they've been working on their entire lives is gone.
    This is why it pays off to be a psychopathic liar, you can apologise 1000 times and do harm 1001 times. Humanity at its finest.
    Even someone as cartoonish as Liver King was able to make his money and then apologise.

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  3 місяці тому +1

      I can’t disagree with all what you said here. It’s sad. Better doping tests is a solution, but that is super expensive and cumbersome.

    • @ddwfw
      @ddwfw 3 місяці тому

      @@wod-science starting with a lifetime ban would be a great deterrent already, and even more importantly, there should be less corruption. As far as I'm aware, at least in my pro days the number 1 one day to cheat on tests was to never get the real sample to the lab.

    • @user-cr4pz5yg7y
      @user-cr4pz5yg7y 3 місяці тому

      Not to mention that whomever your favorite is was never caught. Is it cheatingvto be the best at cheating? Maybe you dont understand dialysis as well as trasfusions, as well as undetectable methods. Steroids were legal so noone is cheating, their records stand. Now everyone trying to compare to past juicers based on some paperwork. Somehow your anus got connected to your esophagus.

  • @BluEskY0r
    @BluEskY0r 4 місяці тому +2

    lifetime ban!

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому

      I understand this position, just not sure that human data is sufficiently robust to implement this in real life.

  • @shanethatcher3913
    @shanethatcher3913 3 місяці тому

    Yep, no second chance - I've long thought that athletes have a long term advantage as a result of this. You cheat, you're done - if they want to compete, create a game for all the cheaters and keep them away from the people that don't. I've often thought about taking steroids to improve performance, it would take me from a high level to the top level, but it's cheating!!

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  3 місяці тому

      Good that you did not do it 👍. Thanks for the input.

  • @Kevin-pv5bt
    @Kevin-pv5bt 4 місяці тому

    I hope I did not miss it but was there a measure of current free testosterone in the former AAS users? There can be potential in the muscle but without the body naturally producing there is not a way to fulfill that potential (in theory). This would also be dependent on the PED used but you did reference exogenous testosterone almost exclusively

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому

      Excellent points.
      S-calculated free testosterone (pmol/L) was 520 for the controls, 1236 for the current and 445 for the former. With no statistical differences between controls and former. So free T likely does not explain the differences between former and controls.

  • @KippingItRealcrossfit
    @KippingItRealcrossfit 4 місяці тому

    Man my muscles don't remember Testesterone lol😂 I can tell you thet much

  • @howkiatz
    @howkiatz 4 місяці тому

    This case is valid even for Sarms?

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому +1

      Likely, but I cannot say for sure as specifically SRAMs were not tested in these studies.

  • @user-cr4pz5yg7y
    @user-cr4pz5yg7y 3 місяці тому

    Logetime ban. Hell no. All our favorite stars are juiced. It is so much better for sports. No one wants to watch girls high school basketball. P.e.d.s. are the best thingvto ever happen to sports. We need to just allow it and monitor for health. Problems arise trying to duck and dodge tests. Plus, money easily buys off bad tests. So bans only hurt lower finaced athletes. Also the entire tour de france behind lance was on something. U don't want a natty tour. Be like watching a traffic jam. Are they even moving?

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  3 місяці тому +1

      You are descibing the 'enhanced games' - heard about that?

  • @RobertNaik
    @RobertNaik 4 місяці тому

    Apart from sports performance. I wonder how much shorter their lives are? So many cyclists died so young.

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому +2

      Actually, studies in cyclists (including the doped ones) have shown that they live longer than the average human. Long-term effects of exercise counteract the negative effects of doping? Might be.

    • @RobertNaik
      @RobertNaik 4 місяці тому

      @@wod-science that’s amazing. I read Peter attia book and he talks about the benefits of exercise as well. Epo I know thickens the blood but I guess it probably not as permanent as other drugs. Have a great day!

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому +1

      @@RobertNaik that’s correct. There is no data on the long term benefits of EPO. Would be super interesting. Attia’s book is great

  • @wadyn95
    @wadyn95 4 місяці тому

    If you experienced “memory” with a high dose of testosterone, you might not see the same results in the future without that dose. Is it?
    Not enough stimulus for that extra nucleus without extra test.
    Bro scientist's talking about it a lot 😁

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому

      Hm, could be true. What is known (in mice) that previous T administration sentisizes the muscle to FUTURE training (without T) after a period of not taking any drugs.
      So no matter how much you take the second time around, there are potential benefits once the atheltes starts training again, eventhough it is clean.

  • @wadyn95
    @wadyn95 4 місяці тому +2

    A lifetime ban feels like a death sentence; I don't think it should be

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  4 місяці тому +2

      I understand your position tbh. Nevertheless, if athletes know the consequences of taking AAS (lifetime ban), they might reconsider it? I don't know.

    • @corbindallas3220
      @corbindallas3220 4 місяці тому +1

      @@wod-sciencewhy not just change the rules and allow the athletes to use whatever they have at there disposal within reason on course. After documentaries like Icarus were well aware that most athletes are doping on some level.

    • @cheats411
      @cheats411 4 місяці тому

      If you have a permanent advantage then isn't a sporting death sentence appropriate? If I have AI implanted in my brain permanently, should I be banned from chess for 4 years or forever?

    • @ddwfw
      @ddwfw 3 місяці тому +1

      Don't take steroids and you'll be fine

    • @guy5140
      @guy5140 3 місяці тому

      @@corbindallas3220multiple reasons. If we allow all PED’s it will become more so about your chemist and less so about your training, athletic ability, and willpower. Also, it’s incredibly damaging to health. And naturally, it would promote this unhealthy approach to non competent people. Most people use PED’s in competition anyway but because of the rules it’s limited and not promoted

  • @welanduzfullo8496
    @welanduzfullo8496 3 місяці тому

    10g per kg per week in the first study you showed, do you know HOW MUCH GEAR THAT IS BRO. top pro bodybuilder take ~0.02g per kg of bodyweight per week 😭😭😭 and you cannot use synthetic anabolics in pro sports bc a simple random pee test will flag you for up to a year after you stop for example 19nor's. Additionally, you cant go beyond ~1100ng/dl (which is withing physiological range and will not increase performance with statistical significance) with bio-identical testosterone as biological passports and longitudinal doping test data collection will flag you 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼

    • @wod-science
      @wod-science  3 місяці тому

      The first study is a mouse study. High dose indeed but not directly comparable to humans.

    • @welanduzfullo8496
      @welanduzfullo8496 3 місяці тому

      Yes I know its a mouse study duh, but its also not = to their claimed 600mg per week for a typical bodybuilder at all. They claimed this model is comparable to 600mg total per week for a bodybuilder, WHICH IS NOT TRUE

  • @Teumsevich22
    @Teumsevich22 2 місяці тому

    Great video once again, thanks ! Well this makes me think about two other scenarios.
    1) young CrossFit Athlete sees he has high talent, decides to go for 2-3 years of heavy steroid abuse to built massive strength but stays out of competition, then goes clean and focuses mainly on building his conditioning engine while maintaining strength gains forever, THEN goes to competition. I guess many have done it this way, that would be unfair to those banned athletes. But they were smarter, maybe that deserves credit ;)
    2) Transgender athletes obviously have an objective huge advantage when competing against women, but that’s an old topic…