Ruber was probably the most effective knight Arthur had. That's why he kept him. Definitely not the most ethical, but he got results and put enemies down.
No, Rüber seems pretty ethical to me. His ethics are quite different to those of Arthur but he's so convicted in his ethics that he's willing to kill over them.
@@mooseolini1447 Dude he literally screams various times in the movie that he is only in it for himself and he's proud of it those are not ethics they are just personal insane convictions
@@ennieminymoo6675 Ethics are just a moral code, therefore, deeply subjective. I'm sure he is in it for himself but wouldn't he have been assured high social standing and many lands and subjects had he just taken what Arthur was offering? Of course he would have, so there are obviously other factors at work with him, besides pure material gain. His personal code conflicts with Arthur's.
@@mooseolini1447 I don't get your criticism. So he's a narcissistic megalomaniac warlord yes, and that just happens to be Arthurs exact opposite? Doesn't validate his actions let alone his schemes
@@Micharheins That's why you never hire narcissists in the first place. Or crazy, unhinged folks. I don't care how skilled they are, you will regret it later. And besides, for every rotten narc, there are like ten others who aren't, and who can do the exact same job without all the downsides to their character and lack of morals and morale. I'm glad workplaces are cracking down and screening for these freaks. The criminal underworld not so much obviously, so why dark triads chose not to get involved with equally morally devoid people in the underground and want to go bother normal people is beyond me, but they need to fix it. HOWEVER, in Ruber's case, crazy or not, he's bringing the most defense, and doing the most in general. Arthur didn't have to give him any special treatment if he didn't wanna, but giving Ruber some thorny, useless outlands was just uncalled for. So you're telling me that Arthur hired this guy himself and knows full well that this dude is crazy screws loose, violent, short-tempered, overpowered, entitled, doesn't do a thing for charity, and is clearly only there working himself the most for the benefits ------and he gives him the worst lands out there. This is kinda on Arthur.
JD Most likely the second one. Remember, even though Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, there were plenty of chieftains and warlords who refused to acknowledge him as their king, and thus he had to assemble an army quickly, with the knights of the round table serving as his personal champions and commanders. The young king wasn’t exactly in the best position to be picky. That being said, time and/or luck must’ve been on his side for Ruber to be the only bad egg he had to put in the basket-the other knights and especially Sir Lionel were all excellent choices. Unless there were more like Ruber who were simply slain by enemies and then replaced by more chivalrous individuals during the wars.
Quoted from a /co/ thread "Considering he beat back every knight single-handedly except the king himself, my guess is that even though they knew he was evil they needed him to unite the kingdom because he was strong. Once that was out of the way, it was basically a waiting game for him to show his true colors. Which seems to have been immediately after the first time they actually sit at the table. Basically they used him for his retard strength and let him sperg out, then ran the country like normal." -Anonymous No.101640317
maybe he started off as a good knight but ended up becoming bitter over the years. One of those villains who were initially one of the good guys but had a problem with how their country was being ran
It’s a game where you have to play the main story for a little bit before you can start working on the evil ending, which explains his very sudden betrayal
It was always funny how they tried everything to NOT be subtle here. They all look like regular humans, and meanwhile the villain is cartoonist evil looking and out of proportion.
I find it hard to believe nobody preemptively, said “yo you noticed Ruber getting all twitchy and psycho lately? like he’s not even showing up for choreography, perhaps we should do something about this”
"Don't worry, he always gets like this when he's having a bad week Lionel, you okay down there?" "I'll be fine." (Ruber comes back in) "Are you quite finished?" "Yeah, sorry about that." "Forget about it. Now, how are we all?"
Arthur: SIgh alright, we're all ears, this is now a therapy session, so what's really the problem now? Get dumped by your 6th girlfriend this year? Gambling debts? Medieval IRS?
Ruber: "I just feel like I'm pulling more weight then I'm compensated for. My men are working as border in the most dangerous area and I've been having flashbacks of that stone ogre attack."
You got me laughing so hard I dropped my damn phone.😂 My mind automatically read it with their voices, and I must say it's one of the funniest comments I've ever seen.
I like how Ruber just immediately goes off the rails. He doesn't even wait to listen to finer details, just the moment there is even the possibility he won't get more land then everyone else he starts throwing hands. No discussion, no debate, just mace.
As you can clearly see, this universe's shield rules work on elder scrolls logic; the damage is soaked, but not negated. Which means that Ruber has a high enough base attack damage with that morningstar that even the chip damage through the shield and armour exceeded Sir Lionel's max HP. Ruber is running a high-strength build. Honestly, a pretty based decision on the player's part. Also, my mans just headbutted a knight who was wearing a helmet and won, which means that he also has a pretty damn-good base unarmed attack damage as well, which is shown again later in the movie when he kills a dragon barefisted. A real sigma move.
He hit the shield aside and took the force of the hit to the head watch it at slow speeds you miss it otherwise. If you freeze frame it looks like he's being choked by his own arm.
I love how Ruber didn't even wait to hear if he WAS getting any land, he just jumps straight to murder. For all he knows, Arthur was gonna give him a shitload for his valuable service.
Gotta love how Arthur didn’t even move to interfere despite having a magical sword directly beside him until Ruber had gotten through all his meat shie-knights.
I’m pretty sure he isn’t allowed to. It’s not stated in this movie but in the mythos he can’t draw Excalibur unless he has no choice. Plus his knights often tell him to not get involved.
0:45 Can we just appreciate how brutal this hit was? Ruber hit Lionel so hard it twisted his head around. Lionel's neck was snapped by the force of that blow alone.
StarKiller 56 well I mean how would anyone feel if they worked for someone for a decade without a raise or something? I think with each year that passed he grew more ambitious and arrogant.
I think he tolerated Arthur's goodness in hope of gaining something and now that Arthur declared that he won't get any more land, it was the last straw.
@@xxlCortez I think Arthur was getting around to granted Ruber his new land and he was just getting impatient. That or circumstances have changed and Ruber was too selfish to take that into consideration.
I assume his end goal was to gain land build up a army and take Arthur's sword which is why when he didn't see thr option of getting what he desired he tried brute force (though everything in this movie feels sudden so there's that XD)
Ruber seemed to always serve Arthur out of his self interest He saw Arthur as the winning side in the wars that united Britannia under Arthur’s Rule, and helped him, knowing they’ll win, and expected to be rewarded Europe under this age was under Feudalism With the King on top Below him Feudal Lords with their own lands ang personal military and peasants to work the lands Under them are Knights as elite warriors of Lords Under them the peasants that serve as tenants to the Lord Ruber would expect to be made a Lord with his own lands and warriors and people to serve him Instead Arthur did something unprecedented in his era. He divided the spoils among the people and have the knights serve the people as elite heroes instead of lords to rule over them Ruber’s response is actually culturally valid, as knights like him were expected to be rewarded, instead were given meager gains and expected to serve the people instead the other way around
Ruber punches a dragon and is seen eating it one scene later 😳 I think it's entirely understandable that they were willing to overlook his lesser qualities to a point.
@@fuckTrump-v7j also gets afraid of destiny, takes the fate into his own fists at all costs, doesn't give up his way even realizing he lost and accepts his prophesied death like a Chad
It didn’t just hit his shield, guys. It was an UPPERCUTTING blow that hit Lionel’s shield and kept following through - the blow was just so heavy that it pushed Lionel’s shield guard UPWARD and exposed his face to the secondary impact of the mace.
I remember seeing that too you have to see it in slow motion or pause it for a little bit to see that part. The way he killed Lionel and just one hit just shows you how incredibly brutal and super strong Ruber is The same way he killed a dragon with just one punch. Ruber doesn’t use his mouth to get what he wants or to put fear into the hearts of men and women he uses his super physical strength to do both of those things.
@@carmensandiego328 He did not necessarily kill the dragon with one punch, extremely unlikely. The punch was just the beginning. He probably finished it off-screen. It is not feasible to kill something larger and heavier than you with a single blow from a very close distance.
It’s so tragic and at the same time insane how ruber was able to kill sir Lionel in just one hit from his Mace. This just comes to show you how dangerous, deadly and incredibly strong ruber is considering how he can kill a dragon with nothing but his bare hands in one punch.
There are drafts about an unproduced scene in the movie, where Ruber actually lifts Escalibur,....WHILE IT WAS STILL BEING ATTACHED TO THE STONE. This was suppossed to be in the opening where Sir Lionel tells Kaylee about the sword, but the producers decided to cut it.
It's mainly to establish who are the main characters like how Protagonists in anime have crazy hair. Still, I would like to know which one of those other knights were Gawain, Percival ect...You could argue that we don't see Queen Guinevere as this is set after she and Lancelot eloped together from Camelot.
ruber only used his mace 2x. they were kinda implying he's stronger than the average man and any one blow with that mace could be fatal. ruber also had a running start to that. Lionel took on the full force and momentum. the other knights just got shoved and a headbutt ruber was going for another killing blow and could have killed Arthur had it not been for Excalibur magic. Ruber would have smashed thru a plain sword
If you pause at just the right moment or watch in slow motion, you can see that Ruber hit Sir Lionel with an uppercut using his mace that hit his shield hard enough to twist his body at an odd angle. It’s possible his neck was broken from this, which a helmet would not have protected him from.
@@raychii7361 In Finnish version he also (roughly translated) asked "When will I get those additional lands?" so it could imply that Arthur did promise to give him land the knights presumably conquered.
It seems that there was a period of wars which Arthur united Britannia under, and knights like Ruber helped in that period Ruber while envying to have Excalibur for himself saw opportunity helping unite Britannia under one kingdom and expected to be rewarded with land and be made a Feudal Lord In this era, feudalism was the main government system of Medieval Europe There’s the King, beneath him feudal Lords with their own lands knights and people to rule Then the knights as elite solders of the Lord Then the peasants that serve the Lord The Knights that became the Knights of the Round Table were the most elite warriors and most trusted friends of Arthur People that live under Feudalism would expect the Knights to be rewarded land and have the title Lord for themselves from their spoils of making Camelot But instead Arthur broke tradition and divided the resources to benefit everyone as the Knights of the Round Table are made to serve the people instead of ruling them Most knights seem ok with it But Ruber as mad as he was, was also voicing a valid cultural concern as those like him are expected to gain a title and land of his own And him rebelling does voice dominate legitimate beef Arthur made no promises but to unite Britannia and have it prosper, although some like Ruber wouldn’t agree with the utopian vision of Camelot as it’s unlike what the kingdoms of feudal Europe are supposed to be
And this, kids, is why you always wear your protective gear. Sir Lionel was the only knight who charged Ruber who wasn't wearing a helmet. Would say his shield hit him in the face when Ruber struck with his mace or Lionel landed on his head when he fell off the table. Either could cause a brain injury that could be fatal.
Years later, I still think about Ruber as a villain. The movie isn’t perfect but I still like it and his character, especially villains who have no remorse. I have imagined how he got this way, since we don’t get a lot of lore about how Ruber got to his position but I came up with his backstory of him being revered so highly for his brute strength in war, desensitized to slaying his enemies in battle. He loved the thrill and victory but when Arthur pushed for peace, he would feel discarded and seek means of claiming the purpose he was praised for.
Lol. And Ruber did the most work and got the crappiest lands too. I know he's an egotistical, crazy twat, but I can understand why he'd be just a mite bit upset.
@@iRinnda lol true, but you as the player should know how to treat your subjects well :) I've owned most of the central Empire lands while everyone got other lands outside of it
Historically, it was more common to vote for your king, than to have a hereditary monarchy. At least in Europe. Convention was to have all free men decide who would be king for life or for a set term, then they'd convene again after his term was over. In barbarian Europe, most heads of household (husbands/fathers) would participate in the vote. In civilised Europe (with the masses living as serfs) the aristocrats would vote. In this context, the king would be just another aristocrat but his title would make him first among equals. I'm astounded at how little people know about the basics of their own history. Moreso, I wish people just wouldn't make proclamations about things they don't actually know.
Nowadays elective monarchies have almost disappeared - the Vatican is perhaps the the most notable example - but back in the day kings in Celtic/Germanic societies were typically elected by an assembly of warlords.
@@vinceniederman I can't think of a single role where Gary Oldman was anything less than phenomenal. Sirius Black, Lord Shen, Sir Ruber. Underrated actor.
Ruber: "I need more than everyone!" Arthur: "Fine." Ruber: "Cool, I won't randomly try to kill you." (Okay, fine. He would have probably found a new excuse to attack, but... you can't deny he didn't even let Arthur announce his plans. He just went for it out of nowhere.)
My guess is, that he must have been from one of the Northern tribes, that were merely affected even by the Romans. Rupert must have thought that the days of the ancient tribes that were ruling over the Island are gone, he is going to profit better from strong feudal warlords that is Arthur. On the same note, Arthur must have thought that in order to establish his reign, he needed a warrior like Rupert. The whole scene looks as if all the knights just returned from a successfull conquest, to divide the newly acquired lands. Rupert must have been one of the fiercest warriors of Arthur. Sure he is a maniac and egotistical but he did demonstrate that he was strong and no coward. Arthur simply failed to realize how important it is to give the credit to his people they DESERVE. He expected everyone to think like him, failed to grasp that people serve him for a reason, not everyone is standing for an idealistic world like him and some other knights. Rupert must have been fighting exhausting battles for Arthur, slaying the most standing against them. He was willing to abandon his old way of life, his tribe, hé was willing to give up whatever faith he had and tó become a knight. After all this he then goes to Camelot only to realize that despite of his efforts he gets the same credit as those knights that probably did way less than him. No wonder he was pissed. Sure we can view this scene as the rampage of a greedy and brute murderer, but we can also look at it as the Arthur's failure in leadership and lack of knowledge about human nature.
@@Caprioly Good point, the communism problem, take as much as you can, give as much as needed. Why should I be given the same if I contributed the most?
You can see why Arthur let him be part of knights. He was for sure the strongest and best warrior of his armies... and sometimes... you need BLACK SHEEP to take blame when you need burn village or two of enemy forces :(
because he's strong, a highly skilled warrior, had great potential, proved himself worthy to be a knight of The Round Table, started off with good traits and probably contributed the most and felt like he was being treated unfairly
@@fuckTrump-v7j Yeah, I get the feeling it'd be a slight mismatch to make him a farmhand. I also don't see him making a very good manservant or something of the like. He's definitely a warrior, so most any combat role is ideal for him. As for knighthood though, that almost seems as much a mismatch for him, as the role of manservant. There's a courtliness, a chivalry to knighthood, a knight needs a degree of statesmanship about his character. A knight is a servant of the realm. Yes, they serve through violence against enemies but they serve in other ways too. Ruber is no servant. Some really stupid decisions made on Arthur's part...or rather, on the part of the producers/writers/directors, for trying to force egalitarianism into an old legend, with little regard for making a coherent story.
Makes sense. After Arthur pulled the sword from the stone he most likely had Ector and Kay as knights of the round table, and Kay aged and lost some of his hair(probably changed his named) and still couldn’t get over the fact his younger foster brother became king, and got even greedier and more arrogant and decided to take matters into his own hands..
I always loved that movie but now that I am older and that I know a little more about the Arthurian legend, I am wondering where was Lancelot (or Gauvain, Perceval, Yvain..) when this happened?
Apparently it was originally gonna be its own thing, a much darker tale. Glimpses can be seen in old early production art but studio meddling turned it into a knockoff Disney film. Still , it’s kinda so terrible in particularity odd ways that it’s still pretty entertaining. Particularly Ruber. The movie wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining without him
@@zackattackr.p.gwhat I’m trying to say is that the biggest issue with the film is that it doesn’t want to be it’s own movie like not even an attempt to stand out from the crowd instead it just wants be like every other animated film from the early 1990s who’s only purpose is to cash in on what Disney masterfully capitalized at the time
In the era when Disney made sequels to their movies I always wanted to see a Sequel to 'The Sword in the Stone' where Arthur and his knights try to maintain Camelot and this is the closest thing to it, even if Arthur, Merlin & the other knights were barely in it.
Excalibur. Truly a sword of legend. Call me a romantic, but one does have to wonder if such a transcendent blade ever existed beyond the realm of lores and fairytales.
God forbid you get your magical sword out right away Arthur. You're only being Directly Challenged for the Right to Rule. Best to just let one of your knights die before you finally stand your ass up and defend yourself, hey?
“It’s fine… his sword is sitting behind him. He won’t do anything drastic- HE’S GOT A MACE!” Seriously. The guy sitting next to him had to have known the mace was there. He didn’t think that wasn’t going to be a problem until he took hold of it and jumped onto the table?
I like how in a bit of a convoluted way him getting away actually makes sense. The kingdoms at peace and Arthur has assembled all his knights in one room and castles are often designed to be able to quickly seal areas off for defense. Even if some guardsman had heard a commotion they’d be reluctant to get in the way of a trained and dangerous knight who is running away from what they’re supposed to protect.
Showed his true colors, kicked the butt of the guards, killed the main character's father, and escaped, all within the first minute of the film. A legend in the history of cartoon villains.
Sadly I think the villain was closer to what an actual knight would be acting like. Also why put the door bar on the OUTSIDE of the chamber? He’s King Arthur not werewolf Arthur.
I think if you were to combine the wimpy bodies of all the normal knights with the personality of Ruber, you get something close the actual british upper class.
Bro was tweaking as he was speaking, how was he even stable enough to be considered of sound mind and competent enough to be a knight of the roundtable?💀
I think Ruber set that up, like the mace under his section of the table. I'm unsure, though. I don't think his protest was on impulse, I think it was planned. The movie goes out of its way to show Ruber emerging from a doorway inside the castle, already there, waiting for the other knights. He probably fancied that if he voiced descent forcefully enough, others would be inclined to join in with him and he could leverage control of Camelot. Failing that, he'd flee and lock the door behind him, to bye time for his escape.
Imagine if someone was like that on work: Ruber "Hey I think Ideserve a raise." Boss: "I can't give you a raise here, we got inflation going on." Someone: "Yeah, no one here got a raise, why only you deserves one?" Ruber: "THEN I THINK I SHOULD BE THE BOSS!!' *takes a mace and starts to kill everyone.* "What the hell, why did he bring a... AHHHH!" *dies*
the funniest thing about this is that the meeting lasted like a minute before the guy went apeshit
40 seconds actually.
>Enters.
>Tells everyone he wants more lands.
>Refuses to elaborate.
>Kills someone.
>Leaves.
In the words of Ron Burgundy,
“Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast.”
That comment made my day😆
@@ennieminymoo6675 i've definitely played with people like that in D&D.
"Lionel, you good?"
"Oh I don't know, I only got whacked in the face full force with a mace."
"and boy was it a disgrace."
@@lowhp_comic "We thought he'd be okay....but that wasn't the case."
Lionel: Not Today!
Ruber was probably the most effective knight Arthur had. That's why he kept him. Definitely not the most ethical, but he got results and put enemies down.
No, Rüber seems pretty ethical to me. His ethics are quite different to those of Arthur but he's so convicted in his ethics that he's willing to kill over them.
@@mooseolini1447 Dude he literally screams various times in the movie that he is only in it for himself and he's proud of it those are not ethics they are just personal insane convictions
@@ennieminymoo6675 Ethics are just a moral code, therefore, deeply subjective. I'm sure he is in it for himself but wouldn't he have been assured high social standing and many lands and subjects had he just taken what Arthur was offering?
Of course he would have, so there are obviously other factors at work with him, besides pure material gain.
His personal code conflicts with Arthur's.
@@mooseolini1447 I don't get your criticism.
So he's a narcissistic megalomaniac warlord yes, and that just happens to be Arthurs exact opposite? Doesn't validate his actions let alone his schemes
@@Micharheins That's why you never hire narcissists in the first place. Or crazy, unhinged folks. I don't care how skilled they are, you will regret it later. And besides, for every rotten narc, there are like ten others who aren't, and who can do the exact same job without all the downsides to their character and lack of morals and morale. I'm glad workplaces are cracking down and screening for these freaks. The criminal underworld not so much obviously, so why dark triads chose not to get involved with equally morally devoid people in the underground and want to go bother normal people is beyond me, but they need to fix it. HOWEVER, in Ruber's case, crazy or not, he's bringing the most defense, and doing the most in general. Arthur didn't have to give him any special treatment if he didn't wanna, but giving Ruber some thorny, useless outlands was just uncalled for. So you're telling me that Arthur hired this guy himself and knows full well that this dude is crazy screws loose, violent, short-tempered, overpowered, entitled, doesn't do a thing for charity, and is clearly only there working himself the most for the benefits ------and he gives him the worst lands out there. This is kinda on Arthur.
"Charming singalong."
😂 The way his eye twitches. He's put up with a lot on their journey 😂🤣🤣
It’s like he’s been through this all before a millionth times 😂
I'm laughing at the idea that it was 2 to 3 days of non-stop singing that drove him mad.
RUBER: Hi 👋 Everyone.
@@harryfox7488😂😂
On second thought, let’s not go to Camelot
Tis a silly place
So....how did they work with Ruber for 10 years and not think his personality was going to cause problems?
JD Most likely the second one. Remember, even though Arthur pulled the sword from the stone, there were plenty of chieftains and warlords who refused to acknowledge him as their king, and thus he had to assemble an army quickly, with the knights of the round table serving as his personal champions and commanders. The young king wasn’t exactly in the best position to be picky. That being said, time and/or luck must’ve been on his side for Ruber to be the only bad egg he had to put in the basket-the other knights and especially Sir Lionel were all excellent choices. Unless there were more like Ruber who were simply slain by enemies and then replaced by more chivalrous individuals during the wars.
As the saying goes: keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Quoted from a /co/ thread
"Considering he beat back every knight single-handedly except the king himself, my guess is that even though they knew he was evil they needed him to unite the kingdom because he was strong.
Once that was out of the way, it was basically a waiting game for him to show his true colors. Which seems to have been immediately after the first time they actually sit at the table.
Basically they used him for his retard strength and let him sperg out, then ran the country like normal."
-Anonymous No.101640317
maybe he started off as a good knight but ended up becoming bitter over the years. One of those villains who were initially one of the good guys but had a problem with how their country was being ran
He could have been different once.
Ruber gives off such massive "Your custom character in the cutscene" vibes.
Red flowing mane of hair+ bald head. Very unusuall hairstyle that i don't recall seeing anywhere at all. Looks good on him.
@@overseer9823 A similar hairstyle is in Skyrim, I think
It’s a game where you have to play the main story for a little bit before you can start working on the evil ending, which explains his very sudden betrayal
RUBER: We Surrender.
It was always funny how they tried everything to NOT be subtle here.
They all look like regular humans, and meanwhile the villain is cartoonist evil looking and out of proportion.
I just saw a guy at the gym that looks just like him- so ugly they do nothing but fight. Oh wait thats me.
That's why they didn't even bother making him a twist villain, he betrays everyone not even a minute after his first line 😂
RUBER: Why Not?
I find it hard to believe nobody preemptively, said “yo you noticed Ruber getting all twitchy and psycho lately? like he’s not even showing up for choreography, perhaps we should do something about this”
“He’s not participating in our sing alongs!”
RUBER: Good Afternoon 🌞😃 Sire.
@@InPotatoITrust“yeah I mean, considering all of them are about unity and brotherhood. I… I think he might snap”
@@sammywestenberger9303“rubber hey… we were just talking about stuff… Very calm very cool reasonable no need to freak out stuff”
"Don't worry, he always gets like this when he's having a bad week Lionel, you okay down there?"
"I'll be fine."
(Ruber comes back in)
"Are you quite finished?"
"Yeah, sorry about that."
"Forget about it. Now, how are we all?"
"The only reason Sir Lionel's daughter is still alive is that i find her stupidity mildly amusing."
Ahh good ole Gary Oldman
Arthur: SIgh alright, we're all ears, this is now a therapy session, so what's really the problem now? Get dumped by your 6th girlfriend this year? Gambling debts? Medieval IRS?
Ruber: "I just feel like I'm pulling more weight then I'm compensated for. My men are working as border in the most dangerous area and I've been having flashbacks of that stone ogre attack."
You got me laughing so hard I dropped my damn phone.😂
My mind automatically read it with their voices, and I must say it's one of the funniest comments I've ever seen.
I like how Ruber just immediately goes off the rails. He doesn't even wait to listen to finer details, just the moment there is even the possibility he won't get more land then everyone else he starts throwing hands. No discussion, no debate, just mace.
lets play "spot the antagonist"
Lemme think...hmm....Oh! Oh! Is it Arthur???
@hunter christensen it's obviously King Arthur
Like that sonic game
@hunter christensen A
Wrong it sir ruber played by gary oldman.
As you can clearly see, this universe's shield rules work on elder scrolls logic; the damage is soaked, but not negated. Which means that Ruber has a high enough base attack damage with that morningstar that even the chip damage through the shield and armour exceeded Sir Lionel's max HP. Ruber is running a high-strength build. Honestly, a pretty based decision on the player's part.
Also, my mans just headbutted a knight who was wearing a helmet and won, which means that he also has a pretty damn-good base unarmed attack damage as well, which is shown again later in the movie when he kills a dragon barefisted. A real sigma move.
He hit the shield aside and took the force of the hit to the head watch it at slow speeds you miss it otherwise. If you freeze frame it looks like he's being choked by his own arm.
**inserts Captain America "I understood that reference" meme**
Ruber was high on sujamma
How is everyone ok with this comment. 😂😂😂
Have you ever actually held a shield? It doesn't make you magically invulnerable to harm.
I love how Ruber didn't even wait to hear if he WAS getting any land, he just jumps straight to murder. For all he knows, Arthur was gonna give him a shitload for his valuable service.
Gotta love how Arthur didn’t even move to interfere despite having a magical sword directly beside him until Ruber had gotten through all his meat shie-knights.
Yeah, he's a pussy and doesn't seem to value his men.
Right???
I’m pretty sure he isn’t allowed to. It’s not stated in this movie but in the mythos he can’t draw Excalibur unless he has no choice. Plus his knights often tell him to not get involved.
@@theredknight9314 I'm pretty sure when his life on the line that counts
@@KMDragonS that’s what I mean by “unless he has no choice”
I'm laughing my ass off with that uncontrollable eye tick
And the fact it gets worse throughout the film is hilarious.
loool me too im laughing ever since i was a kid to this day 🤣
I just noticed it lmao.
Sir RUBER: That’s Not Enough, Give Me My Sword 🗡️
Is truly freaky
0:45 Can we just appreciate how brutal this hit was? Ruber hit Lionel so hard it twisted his head around. Lionel's neck was snapped by the force of that blow alone.
Sooo... Ruber served Arthur for a decade and then throws it all away just like that? Kind of... sudden.
StarKiller 56 well I mean how would anyone feel if they worked for someone for a decade without a raise or something? I think with each year that passed he grew more ambitious and arrogant.
I think he tolerated Arthur's goodness in hope of gaining something and now that Arthur declared that he won't get any more land, it was the last straw.
@@xxlCortez I think Arthur was getting around to granted Ruber his new land and he was just getting impatient. That or circumstances have changed and Ruber was too selfish to take that into consideration.
I assume his end goal was to gain land build up a army and take Arthur's sword which is why when he didn't see thr option of getting what he desired he tried brute force (though everything in this movie feels sudden so there's that XD)
Ruber seemed to always serve Arthur out of his self interest
He saw Arthur as the winning side in the wars that united Britannia under Arthur’s Rule, and helped him, knowing they’ll win, and expected to be rewarded
Europe under this age was under Feudalism
With the King on top
Below him Feudal Lords with their own lands ang personal military and peasants to work the lands
Under them are Knights as elite warriors of Lords
Under them the peasants that serve as tenants to the Lord
Ruber would expect to be made a Lord with his own lands and warriors and people to serve him
Instead Arthur did something unprecedented in his era. He divided the spoils among the people and have the knights serve the people as elite heroes instead of lords to rule over them
Ruber’s response is actually culturally valid, as knights like him were expected to be rewarded, instead were given meager gains and expected to serve the people instead the other way around
How is he so much better animated than literally everything else?
If I Didn't Have You was well animated
His head animator was Alex Williams, son of Richard Williams
RUBER: My Lord!
I’m honestly surprised they ever got to this point in the first place, they clearly knew what he was like
Politics.
Ruber punches a dragon and is seen eating it one scene later 😳 I think it's entirely understandable that they were willing to overlook his lesser qualities to a point.
History is filled with leaders using…questionable fonts of power to achieve their goals
@@fuckTrump-v7j also gets afraid of destiny, takes the fate into his own fists at all costs, doesn't give up his way even realizing he lost and accepts his prophesied death like a Chad
RUBER: Give It To Me!
It didn’t just hit his shield, guys. It was an UPPERCUTTING blow that hit Lionel’s shield and kept following through - the blow was just so heavy that it pushed Lionel’s shield guard UPWARD and exposed his face to the secondary impact of the mace.
The mace hit the shield causing the hit to uppercut into Lionel's neck breaking it
I remember seeing that too you have to see it in slow motion or pause it for a little bit to see that part.
The way he killed Lionel and just one hit just shows you how incredibly brutal and super strong Ruber is The same way he killed a dragon with just one punch.
Ruber doesn’t use his mouth to get what he wants or to put fear into the hearts of men and women he uses his super physical strength to do both of those things.
Well he looks pretty good for having been maced in the face 🤕
@@carmensandiego328 He did not necessarily kill the dragon with one punch, extremely unlikely. The punch was just the beginning. He probably finished it off-screen. It is not feasible to kill something larger and heavier than you with a single blow from a very close distance.
Dude, he basically put a huge dent in the shield
Ruber: "I sure love my wife who I've been married to for 40 years"
Ruber's wife: "we're having chicken tonight."
Ruber: "I'LL KILL YOU!"
Ruber: The only reason Sir Lionel's daughter is still alive is that i find her stupidity mildly amusing.
😂😂😂 a quick change of mind
King 👑 Arthur: Give Him A Chance!
It’s so tragic and at the same time insane how ruber was able to kill sir Lionel in just one hit from his Mace.
This just comes to show you how dangerous, deadly and incredibly strong ruber is considering how he can kill a dragon with nothing but his bare hands in one punch.
Ruber swung that mace so hard it snapped Lionel's neck. Now that's brutal
It actually killed him
"The only reason Sir Lionel's daughter is still alive is that i find her stupidity mildly amusing."
There are drafts about an unproduced scene in the movie, where Ruber actually lifts Escalibur,....WHILE IT WAS STILL BEING ATTACHED TO THE STONE. This was suppossed to be in the opening where Sir Lionel tells Kaylee about the sword, but the producers decided to cut it.
Let’s not forget that Sir Lionel probably fell from the table onto his head. If the mace didn’t kill him, the fall would have.
You know if Lionel just wore his helmet like the other knights, he might have lived.
I'm pretty sure Ruber's mace crushed everything inside his torax so that wouldn't helped. The other knights got off relatively easier than him
It's mainly to establish who are the main characters like how Protagonists in anime have crazy hair. Still, I would like to know which one of those other knights were Gawain, Percival ect...You could argue that we don't see Queen Guinevere as this is set after she and Lancelot eloped together from Camelot.
ironically he is the only one that was using a shield and he died by a hit you can hear he blocked...
ruber only used his mace 2x. they were kinda implying he's stronger than the average man and any one blow with that mace could be fatal.
ruber also had a running start to that. Lionel took on the full force and momentum. the other knights just got shoved and a headbutt
ruber was going for another killing blow and could have killed Arthur had it not been for Excalibur magic. Ruber would have smashed thru a plain sword
If you pause at just the right moment or watch in slow motion, you can see that Ruber hit Sir Lionel with an uppercut using his mace that hit his shield hard enough to twist his body at an odd angle. It’s possible his neck was broken from this, which a helmet would not have protected him from.
You know you're a badass when you solo 4 of the dozen or so most elite soldiers in the kingdom in less than 10 seconds
0:02
A single screencap of that sent an entire 4chan thread into hysterical laughter.
JESUS LMAO
Link?
@@5ryans I don't have it per se, but here's a compiled list of said reactions from TV Tropes:
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@mojo jojo No idea, sorry. I did find the original thread though. Here it is: boards.fireden.net/co/thread/101637417/
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If Arthur had promised Ruber more lands then he might have legitimate beef
Funny enough. The French Canadian version he says: You promised me lands.
So as a kid i saw Arthur as a troll who didn't wanted to share😂.
@@raychii7361 In Finnish version he also (roughly translated) asked "When will I get those additional lands?" so it could imply that Arthur did promise to give him land the knights presumably conquered.
It seems that there was a period of wars which Arthur united Britannia under, and knights like Ruber helped in that period
Ruber while envying to have Excalibur for himself saw opportunity helping unite Britannia under one kingdom and expected to be rewarded with land and be made a Feudal Lord
In this era, feudalism was the main government system of Medieval Europe
There’s the King, beneath him feudal Lords with their own lands knights and people to rule
Then the knights as elite solders of the Lord
Then the peasants that serve the Lord
The Knights that became the Knights of the Round Table were the most elite warriors and most trusted friends of Arthur
People that live under Feudalism would expect the Knights to be rewarded land and have the title Lord for themselves from their spoils of making Camelot
But instead Arthur broke tradition and divided the resources to benefit everyone as the Knights of the Round Table are made to serve the people instead of ruling them
Most knights seem ok with it
But Ruber as mad as he was, was also voicing a valid cultural concern as those like him are expected to gain a title and land of his own
And him rebelling does voice dominate legitimate beef
Arthur made no promises but to unite Britannia and have it prosper, although some like Ruber wouldn’t agree with the utopian vision of Camelot as it’s unlike what the kingdoms of feudal Europe are supposed to be
I mean should he have worked for free?
@@arthinugami a king calls his debtor a traitor, classic.
0:58
Ruber: One day, that sword will be in my hand, AND ALL WILL BE MINE!!!
Funny that he was only right if you subtract "in" from that sentence.
King 👑 Arthur: Kill Him!
And this, kids, is why you always wear your protective gear.
Sir Lionel was the only knight who charged Ruber who wasn't wearing a helmet. Would say his shield hit him in the face when Ruber struck with his mace or Lionel landed on his head when he fell off the table. Either could cause a brain injury that could be fatal.
Why is the lock OUTSIDE the room
The Anarchist good observation it should of been inside to keep all enimies and ruber out
LOL
20 years. I just noticed that LOL
Imagine having someone with your key locks you in your own home from the outside LOL
incase any attacker tries that side of the castle, I guess
edit: I just noticed another lock on the other side of the door. 1:03
2 years late but THANK YOU!!
Why not have the lock outside
"We need a new king, and I vote for me"
"Not how it works Rubber"
"Oh yeah my bad"
I will not serve a false king!
Then serve....A DEAD ONE
One day, that sword will be in my hand, and ALL WILL BE MINE!!
@@zackattackr.p.g if that doesn’t sound evil I don’t know what does
"The only reason Sir Lionel's daughter is still alive is that i find her stupidity mildly amusing."
Then Serve 0:41
0:48 "Bleugh!" - Your king, ladies and gentlemen.
1:11 King Arthur: (narrating) I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. My most trusted knight, Sir Lionel, in all the turmoil, had been slain.
Years later, I still think about Ruber as a villain. The movie isn’t perfect but I still like it and his character, especially villains who have no remorse.
I have imagined how he got this way, since we don’t get a lot of lore about how Ruber got to his position but I came up with his backstory of him being revered so highly for his brute strength in war, desensitized to slaying his enemies in battle. He loved the thrill and victory but when Arthur pushed for peace, he would feel discarded and seek means of claiming the purpose he was praised for.
All those knights and not one of them could take him down and they ended up beaten. Couldn't even kill Ruber too. Unbelievable.
This is why Ruber wanted a raise in pay. He obviously was doing most of the work
Guy worked his ass off for the king and when he asks for what's rightfully his they call him selfish. Smh
“The lands will be divided to each according to his need.”
kings are well known for this kind of thing, yes.
Lol. And Ruber did the most work and got the crappiest lands too. I know he's an egotistical, crazy twat, but I can understand why he'd be just a mite bit upset.
I've played enough Mount & Blade to know how that will end. XD
COUGH the kings bestow majority of the fiefs to themselves COUGH
@@iRinnda lol true, but you as the player should know how to treat your subjects well :) I've owned most of the central Empire lands while everyone got other lands outside of it
Yeah. They are.
Socialist King Arthur ftw
_"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."_
0:34
"You don't vote for kings!"
Historically, it was more common to vote for your king, than to have a hereditary monarchy. At least in Europe.
Convention was to have all free men decide who would be king for life or for a set term, then they'd convene again after his term was over.
In barbarian Europe, most heads of household (husbands/fathers) would participate in the vote.
In civilised Europe (with the masses living as serfs) the aristocrats would vote.
In this context, the king would be just another aristocrat but his title would make him first among equals.
I'm astounded at how little people know about the basics of their own history.
Moreso, I wish people just wouldn't make proclamations about things they don't actually know.
@@mooseolini1447
....ummm, it was a reference to MONTY PYTHON AND THE HOLY GRAIL.
Nowadays elective monarchies have almost disappeared - the Vatican is perhaps the the most notable example - but back in the day kings in Celtic/Germanic societies were typically elected by an assembly of warlords.
@@elijahanderson3288 A history lesson is always welcome.
Ruber from Quest for Camelot and Tzekal Kan from the Road To El Dorado are two of the most badass villains ever!
Gary Oldman is So Good As Ruber!
@@vinceniederman I can't think of a single role where Gary Oldman was anything less than phenomenal. Sirius Black, Lord Shen, Sir Ruber. Underrated actor.
@@gowithit19 Same and Gary Oldman is So good Playing Villains
RUBER: At Last, My Sword ⚔️
I remember watching this movie in my 4th grade class on the day before the last day of school. Man, I feel so old because that was 10 years ago.
That would be 2012. The movie was already old back then
@@nave712 Actually, it was June 2010 when I was in 4th grade
Do you think the huge and mentally unstable knight will be an issue? Nah.
Well, that escalated from a minor disagreement to treason pretty fast......
Ruber: "I need more than everyone!"
Arthur: "Fine."
Ruber: "Cool, I won't randomly try to kill you."
(Okay, fine. He would have probably found a new excuse to attack, but... you can't deny he didn't even let Arthur announce his plans. He just went for it out of nowhere.)
yeah that's because he ain't no bitch
still, Ruber was a true warrior
My guess is, that he must have been from one of the Northern tribes, that were merely affected even by the Romans.
Rupert must have thought that the days of the ancient tribes that were ruling over the Island are gone, he is going to profit better from strong feudal warlords that is Arthur.
On the same note, Arthur must have thought that in order to establish his reign, he needed a warrior like Rupert.
The whole scene looks as if all the knights just returned from a successfull conquest, to divide the newly acquired lands.
Rupert must have been one of the fiercest warriors of Arthur. Sure he is a maniac and egotistical but he did demonstrate that he was strong and no coward.
Arthur simply failed to realize how important it is to give the credit to his people they DESERVE. He expected everyone to think like him, failed to grasp that people serve him for a reason, not everyone is standing for an idealistic world like him and some other knights.
Rupert must have been fighting exhausting battles for Arthur, slaying the most standing against them. He was willing to abandon his old way of life, his tribe, hé was willing to give up whatever faith he had and tó become a knight.
After all this he then goes to Camelot only to realize that despite of his efforts he gets the same credit as those knights that probably did way less than him. No wonder he was pissed.
Sure we can view this scene as the rampage of a greedy and brute murderer, but we can also look at it as the Arthur's failure in leadership and lack of knowledge about human nature.
Yea,but in the movie it is statate that ten years of peace have passed.
Also the other knights agreed with Arthur.
@@Caprioly Good point, the communism problem, take as much as you can, give as much as needed. Why should I be given the same if I contributed the most?
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Ruber’s eyes constantly twitching was a sign that he was psycho
just like a peacock
@@ChristHoonHis voice actor voiced a peacock!
@@ChristHoon do peacock's eyes twitch?
@@mrosskne why can't?
@@DeclanColwellin what movie?
Underrated movie
Underrated villan
Gary Oldman (Dracula) and Pierce Brosnan (James Bond). Epic!
Imagine if this were to happen every time the office kook demanded a raise?
So everytime a employee dies too?
@@jeanmichel8919 Dies inside at the very least. XD
I still can't believe this is Gary Oldman (AKA, Sirius Black, AKA Commissioner Gordon)
Um...that escalated quickly😐
Why didnt Arthur unsheated his sword sooner?
I mean seeing a threat he should've react ed before the other knights.
Mossa Valeria
Arthur: IDK LOL!
😂🤣
@@averongodoffire8098 maybe he sorella to use it just in dire need?
Mossa Valeria
I think the problem is just plot🤷♂️😂
theres a suprisingly a lot of good in this movie.
Would love to see a remake, with the same plot but with just some key changes.
Ruber’s eye twitching is so scary. He really needs to switch to decaf coffee
Now, Ruber is definitely a rogue knight.
You can see why Arthur let him be part of knights. He was for sure the strongest and best warrior of his armies... and sometimes... you need BLACK SHEEP to take blame when you need burn village or two of enemy forces :(
I just noticed Sir Lionel doesn't use his sword to fight Ruber. 🤔
@bLackstar and in middle-age times it's either kill or get killed.
Ruber: The only reason Sir Lionel's daughter is still alive is that i find her stupidity mildly amusing.
Kay-lay: Daddy!
Fun fact: the guy who voiced Ruber in this film, Gary Oldman, was also Sirius Black in the Harry Potter films. :)
You didn't mention Lord Shen in Kung Fu Panda 2
And James Gordon I'm dark knight movies
0:36 what I think of King Ghidorah
It’s normal that I was rooting for Ruber throughout the scene? The only truly cool and colorful character
Master Lionel. The trusted Jedi Knight will never be forgotten for all the Jedi and Camelot!
How did Ruber even become a knight of the round in the first place?
because he's strong, a highly skilled warrior, had great potential, proved himself worthy to be a knight of The Round Table, started off with good traits and probably contributed the most and felt like he was being treated unfairly
Mistakes were made
he's good at fighting
Fucker punches a dragon later on and is then eating it the next time you see him......you'd have to be a moron not to make him a knight.
@@fuckTrump-v7j Yeah, I get the feeling it'd be a slight mismatch to make him a farmhand.
I also don't see him making a very good manservant or something of the like.
He's definitely a warrior, so most any combat role is ideal for him. As for knighthood though, that almost seems as much a mismatch for him, as the role of manservant. There's a courtliness, a chivalry to knighthood, a knight needs a degree of statesmanship about his character. A knight is a servant of the realm. Yes, they serve through violence against enemies but they serve in other ways too. Ruber is no servant.
Some really stupid decisions made on Arthur's part...or rather, on the part of the producers/writers/directors, for trying to force egalitarianism into an old legend, with little regard for making a coherent story.
Has anyone imagined that Ruber is Kay from Disneys Sword In The Stone who tries to take Excalibur from Arthur to become king himself.
That’s what I thought too!
Makes sense. After Arthur pulled the sword from the stone he most likely had Ector and Kay as knights of the round table, and Kay aged and lost some of his hair(probably changed his named) and still couldn’t get over the fact his younger foster brother became king, and got even greedier and more arrogant and decided to take matters into his own hands..
Ector: Hey 👋
POV: You selected the evil dialogue option because it was funny
Arthur was reading Karl Marx before there was Karl Marx, but it's Ruber who's the Red Knight.
I always loved that movie but now that I am older and that I know a little more about the Arthurian legend, I am wondering where was Lancelot (or Gauvain, Perceval, Yvain..) when this happened?
Probably off on the many many long quests they often get sent on
@@JustAPrayer yes you must be right
This is set only 10 years into Arthur's reign (plus another 6-8 years after this scene) so maybe they became knights later on.
Lancelot ran of with is wife😂
Lancelot: Halt!
Quest for Camelot could have been such an amazing movie if it just tried to be it’s own thing
I felt it pretty unique.
Apparently it was originally gonna be its own thing, a much darker tale. Glimpses can be seen in old early production art but studio meddling turned it into a knockoff Disney film. Still , it’s kinda so terrible in particularity odd ways that it’s still pretty entertaining. Particularly Ruber. The movie wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining without him
What do you mean by that?
@@zackattackr.p.gwhat I’m trying to say is that the biggest issue with the film is that it doesn’t want to be it’s own movie like not even an attempt to stand out from the crowd instead it just wants be like every other animated film from the early 1990s who’s only purpose is to cash in on what Disney masterfully capitalized at the time
In the era when Disney made sequels to their movies I always wanted to see a Sequel to 'The Sword in the Stone' where Arthur and his knights try to maintain Camelot and this is the closest thing to it, even if Arthur, Merlin & the other knights were barely in it.
Excalibur. Truly a sword of legend. Call me a romantic, but one does have to wonder if such a transcendent blade ever existed beyond the realm of lores and fairytales.
God forbid you get your magical sword out right away Arthur. You're only being Directly Challenged for the Right to Rule. Best to just let one of your knights die before you finally stand your ass up and defend yourself, hey?
He's the king, he probably thought the entire round table can stop Ruber.
@@xxlCortez king? I didn't vote for him.
@@ink7028 Rüber voted for me.
Nothing escalated more quickly than this 😂
How did I get from watching horror movie theories to King Arthur fighting Caitlyn Jenner
Homeboy just headbutted a helmeted knight and didn't even flinch
What if Garrett was Arthur's son?
They kinda look similar.
@@JD-el9eo in the arthurian myth he had severamente children including Mordred. From what i Remember now Garrett is his nephew
@@JD-el9eo Could easily be a bastard child. Kings were known to fuck around.
Garrett: Murderer!
0:36 What I think of King Joffrey.
0:30 THE KING HAS DECIDED!!
Then it is time for a new king and I vote for me
@@julianrojas907 I will not serve a false king.
Then serve a dead one!
Then serve...... A DEAD ONE!
@@Scopophobiaaafalse, not fourth
If you pause at 0:46 at just the right moment you can see Lionel get rocked so hard his face goes full derp. It’s funny af 😂
“It’s fine… his sword is sitting behind him. He won’t do anything drastic- HE’S GOT A MACE!”
Seriously. The guy sitting next to him had to have known the mace was there. He didn’t think that wasn’t going to be a problem until he took hold of it and jumped onto the table?
I think King Arthurs's troublesome witchy Half-sister Morgana & Baron Ruber in this film would make a perfect couple.
I like how in a bit of a convoluted way him getting away actually makes sense. The kingdoms at peace and Arthur has assembled all his knights in one room and castles are often designed to be able to quickly seal areas off for defense. Even if some guardsman had heard a commotion they’d be reluctant to get in the way of a trained and dangerous knight who is running away from what they’re supposed to protect.
Showed his true colors, kicked the butt of the guards, killed the main character's father, and escaped, all within the first minute of the film. A legend in the history of cartoon villains.
Ruber is the British Gaston, although Ruber looks like Shan Yu😂
and he's as scary and deadly as a Peacock
It's cuz he's so insanely inbred
Lord Shen: Hello 👋
What a ferocious warrior !!
well that escalated quickly
Seriously what’s wrong with Ruber’s eye? He constantly blinking it every second.
The dude probably had PSTD after many years of fighting.
RUBER: My Hand 🖐️
"Lionel is he alright?" Dude he took a morning star straight to the fucking face do you think he's ok?
Ruber was told he was getting land, and didn't even wait to see how much he was getting before demanding more
“Charming sing along.” Yeah, me too, Ruber. Me too
Sadly I think the villain was closer to what an actual knight would be acting like.
Also why put the door bar on the OUTSIDE of the chamber? He’s King Arthur not werewolf Arthur.
I feel like it is a little weird how the doors seal from outside the room instead of inside
I think if you were to combine the wimpy bodies of all the normal knights with the personality of Ruber, you get something close the actual british upper class.
Bro was tweaking as he was speaking, how was he even stable enough to be considered of sound mind and competent enough to be a knight of the roundtable?💀
Cus he fights like a bull, you saw what he did on the table
I think an underrated bit of stupidity is that the round table room apparently locks from the outside for some reason
I think Ruber set that up, like the mace under his section of the table. I'm unsure, though.
I don't think his protest was on impulse, I think it was planned. The movie goes out of its way to show Ruber emerging from a doorway inside the castle, already there, waiting for the other knights.
He probably fancied that if he voiced descent forcefully enough, others would be inclined to join in with him and he could leverage control of Camelot. Failing that, he'd flee and lock the door behind him, to bye time for his escape.
RUBER: Surprise 😮
Well that got intense too quickly
I remember this movie as a kid
Imagine if someone was like that on work:
Ruber "Hey I think Ideserve a raise."
Boss: "I can't give you a raise here, we got inflation going on."
Someone: "Yeah, no one here got a raise, why only you deserves one?"
Ruber: "THEN I THINK I SHOULD BE THE BOSS!!'
*takes a mace and starts to kill everyone.*
"What the hell, why did he bring a... AHHHH!" *dies*
Who let this guy be a Knight of the Round Table?
What a productive meeting
Gary Oldman did a fantastic job voicing Ruber!
1:04 12 knights and 9 of them were quick enough to hurl a spear at him as he was running away hahah
0:45 to this day, I still question how that hit killed Sir Lionel. How did it kill him?
He fell of the table and hit his head on the stone floor
RUBER: I Killed Him!
Thank god for that sword
"One day, that sword will be in my hand."
Don't know if even Ruber knew how literal that foreshadowing would end up being.