“Charles Xavier has done more for Mutants than you will ever know. My only regret is that he had to die for our dream to live” The best line of the movie
Easily the best line in what's otherwise a pretty bad movie. Hell it might be one of the best lines in all the X-Men movies, as it illustrates just how much Magneto and Prof. X respect one another despite how different they're going about mutant-human relations.
3:33 Storm "Logan, we work as a team!" Logan *Procedes to do a pretty cool team combo move with Colossus Storm "Damm it Logan!" Make up your mind, Storm
@@everburn It's quite difficult to catch a telepath by surprise. And even if she can somehow its not in one sec. She take a little bit then fly faaar away from her. And i doubt the whole body will finish that fly journey😄
@BernardAl She telepath. She will sense her and her intention. Even Logan doesnt win "fair". Jean let him. And again even she somehow touch her. She need time. Phoenix doesnt give any additional second and throw her away. Then destroy.
IKR..........holy flip flop attitudes. While feeling sorry for Magneto getting owned after killing so many, acting like Hitler from his youth. OIY!!!! flip flopping peeps today.
Dont blame Scott's death fully on the studio. The actor was filming Superman Returns around the same time so they needed a way to write him out so he could do that movie.
X-men people should have iron clad clauses like Mission Impossible. They not only ruined ruined Justice League through a mustache, but when the Mission Impossible 2 villain had an accident during a stunt, he lost his X-men role to Hugh Jackman!
@@algalle2 the X Men producers could have waited for Singer to finish Superman Returns but they really wanted to push the release to make money. It's all greed and it shows in the bad storytelling
Okay good, you realize how Xavier came back. BUT! Something not said in the movie, but is said in the commentary, that man without conciousness is Xavier’s twin brother. So he’ll still look like himself Rogue’s power absorbtion has always been temporary, unless she touches someone long enough to keep them permanently, which either kills them or puts them into a coma. And she’s not crazy about doing that. There’s a really good episode in S2 of the original 90s cartoon called A Rogue’s Tale that goes into her backtory and how she has her other powers permanently. Highly recommend And if you want a good adaptation of the Phoenix story, also watch those episodes of the old cartoon
@@SuperGodzilla2because he doesn't have a twin brother he has a twin sister named Cassandra nova the Juggernaut is his stepbrother and he's not in mutant he got his powers from a magical Stone
Professor x doesn't have a twin brother he has a twin sister named Cassandra nova and Juggernaut is his stepbrother and he's not a mutant he got his powers from a magical stone. In this movie adaptation it's professor x twin brother but he doesn't have a twin brother like i said he has a twin sister who's in Deadpool and wolverine
@AntoineRideaux-wd1zk ok.... I knew all that. What I didn't know was that in This Contanunity Charles had a twin brother . Like what the main comment here said...
The only truly great thing to come out of this movie was the casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast. He perfectly captured Hank McCoy’s charm and extreme intelligence along with his savagery in combat.
To me calling Rogue weak for wanting the cure is really not thinking about how badly her powers affect relationships and her ability to even hold her kids in the future.
Thing is, Rogue is perfectly capable of controlling her power. She’s the one that decides when and if her absorption power kicks in when she touches people, but instead of learning how to do it, she went straight for the cure. This version of Rogue did anyways.
You're assuming they think before saying things. Remember these aren't people that are hard X-men fans, they are normal people watching a movie. To be fair I hate the fact they did that in the movie personally. These movies started by barely getting Rogue right in the movies and they go full circle to making her not the character she should have been. Really frustrating. The problem with reaction people though is most of them say things without actually thinking, and if they don't have a full understanding of the thing they are watching, of course they are going to come to dumb conclusions or dumb reasons for said conclusions.
15:52 In the comics, the Juggernaut is not a mutant. His strength and durability is really magic. He's also Professor X's stepbrother, but its not brought up in this film.
Yeah, they managed to botch several stories in one movie. It wasnt the effects, or the acting...and yeah, some dialogue was cheesy...but it was the absolute mangling of those plotlines that holds this as the worst xmen film.
Both movie verof Juggernaut refuse to acknowledge this for some reason. Most of the new characters were vastly underused for no reason. The blame goes to Avi Arad, who thinks the movie business is about selling toys for some reason.
To be fair, most folks who know who Juggernaut is, even from the 90s show, all assume he is a mutant. The minority know these facts here, I ain't mad at them not including his powers are magic, just that he had too little screen time.
@@timcarder2170 Ever hear of this thing called...different continuities? Juggernaut was a mutant in X-Men: Evolution too. All it means is that THIS Earth's Juggernaut was a mutant. Because, remember: multiverses are a thing.
Even though the scene did not come out I like when Magneto and Pyro are in the forest and Pyro insults Xavier. Then Magneto looks at him and pretty much says how dare he talk shit about Xavier.
This is not many people's favorite X-Men movie so Famke Janssen rarely gets the credit she deserves for some of the great performance she gives here. Y'know she also was in an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where she played a mutant empath alongside Sir Patrick Stewart, so she had previous experience.
As much as you two hated Rogue for taking the cure, it's understandable why she would. Going without human contact and intimacy is something very difficult to grasp if you don't think about it and can easily be taken for granted. Imagine not being able to hug the people you love without potentially putting them into a coma. The cure for people who had difficult powers to control or can't deactivate is a valid reason for taking it, like somebody who's power is to permanently radiate harmful radiation or is always on fire or something like that. Also, Rogue only had those powers in the animated series and the comics (for a period of time) because she held onto Captain Marvel for a long time and it lasted longer.
She can have human contact, just not with naked skin... (Humans don't get naked to give a hug...) So she just quit her power to sit on a D...(Which was thought by a director with several cases of harassment,some of them being in the set of this same movie...)
@@droc0296 in context to just the films. And was pointing out a base level comparison between the 2 characters. I am well aware that Magneto can do more with his abilities, but can’t really say without going into spoiler territory.
In my opinion, I think what magneto meant when he said Jean could do anything was that her powers aren’t limited to controlling just metal. Magneto said “I can only manipulate the metals in this, but you can do anything”. I interpreted it as Jean being able to control anything and anyone with her mind without limits.
In the comics Phoenix is able to obliterate entire solar systems within seconds, Rouge would have 0 chance against her. Even in the movies Jean is still a level 5 telepath so she would be able to "see" Rouge's intentions. She's also a level 5 telekinetic so she can erect a barrier around herself that exists even when she is rendered unconscious (just like she did in the lake). Again 0 chance. But I did appreciate your passion. Its really cool that your both geeking out about Marvel. Makes me smile. Look forward to seeing more.
You need to respect Rogue's decision. She didn't just do it for "a guy". She just wanted an intimate relationship in her life. With him or anyone else who loves her.
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer But for this one, he decided to step in as the main producer That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
@@polaullon5116 Everyone, my ass. Nostalgia doesn't change the fact this movie is terrible. Frankly I personally still take Apocalypse over this. Dark Phoenix, it's debatable. Between that and this, it's really just a matter of your flavor of bullshit.
@@Zombiesnyder13 They are both trash, but Dark Phoenix was even stinkier trash than TLS. How do you mess up the whole Jean/Phoenix thing a second time... like wtf. I hate Dark Phoenix more because of that, and for "maybe it should be called X-Women" or whatever that awful line is, and for the fact that they were all clearly just phoning this in because Twentieth Century Fox wanted to make a few more bucks before they said goodbye to their rights. Finally though, with X-Men 97' Jean and Scott both got the treatment they deserved.
Yeah they are 0-2 on correctly adapting the Dark Phoenix saga. Unfortunately it would take a Guardians of the Galaxy / Infinity War number of films and budget to properly render it in film because it's a space epic.
"Don't you know who I am? I'm the JUGGERNAUT, bitch!" was an internet meme that the movie was referencing. The meme is a clip of Juggernaut from the 90's X-Men cartoon that someone had humorously dubbed over with different dialogue that includes that line.
The adamantium in wolverines body is constantly poising him. His body is in a constant state of healing, so if he got hit with the cure and it worked stripping him of his healing factor he’d be pretty screwed! That’s to say if the cure would even work on someone with that powerful a healing factor.
As always love the reaction, with 1 exception. Your take on Rogue. Now it's true, Rogue in the comics ultimately grows to her full potential and retains mutant abilities. Like she's really strong, can fly, and some other stuff, but your reaction was so striking, imo. You really would choose to live with great power, but never have contact. Like no hugs, kisses, or sex? You really think a 18 to 20 yr old woman, that is in love, would want to die a virgin? In the comics/animation, she isn't a virgin, but pretty sure that's because she learned to absorb Magneto's power and then they could have contact. But in these 3 movies that's not a thing, so Rogue's decision to take the cure, makes sense to me. And the fact that both of you reacted the way you did was kind of shocking. Oh well good reaction anyway. I hope you intend to watch the First Class movie series.
This movie isn't anywhere near as bad as people think it is. Is a good closure of the trilogy. And it's DEFINITELY better than most of the re casted movies that came after.
If I'm not mistaken, Rogue's ability to keep another mutant's power depends on how long she holds on to them. She permanently kept flight and strength by taking Ms. Marvel's power.
To be fair, the main reason most people disliked the movie actually has nothing to do with the movie itself. It has to do with the Phoenix Fire itself, since it was never supposed to be 'part' of Jean, it is an alien being that inhabits other beings, (which they do sorta retcon.) The main reason Rogue isn't the most powerful in the movies is simply because she didn't become so powerful without the powers belonging to the Avengers, and since at the time Marvel movies were split all over the place between different studios, and Sony didn't have the rights to some of the characters that made Rogue powerful, it left her pretty much without a proper place. The best part (to me) of the movie is that they actually allowed themselves to go completely dark, which let's face it, if this movie didn't exist, Infinity War and Endgame wouldn't exist...
The after credit scene showed why they showed the body of the man with no higher function earlier in the movie. Charles transferred his mind into that body. Thus, why he smiled as he was being killed.
Rogue being unable to touch another human without hurting them, is a cruel state of being. It is entirely understandable that she would want to be able to have physical interactions with people she loves. As humans, even though we exist in our own bubbles of thought and perception, we are not mind alone, but also our body and our senses. We are connected to the physical world we inhabit, and the people we inhabit the world with.
You're mad that Rogue took the cure? Seriously?? She could NEVER live a full, happy life while being unable to touch anyone. It was her choice, and I'm honestly surprised you both didn't approve of that.
@@adamhendrickson512I love that meme "finally! A cure for my chainsaw hands!", decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe "There's no cure", said Johnny Five-Dicks, "there's nothing wrong with us"
In regards to Rogue she does have the potential to become one of the strongest mutants depending on the powers she absorbs, but the downside is that she HAS to physically touch them. A telepath like Jean could turn Rogues brain off before she’s even in the same city as her. Also in regards to Rogues powers in the comics and from what you see in the Xmen 97 show, the length of time Rogue gets someone’s powers is entirely dependant on how long she touches them. The reason she has flight and super strength is because in the comics she held onto Ms.Marvel (Captain Marvel in the MCU) for so long that she essentially got her powers permanently for free in addition to still having her draining touch.
A lot of people did not like this movie back in the 2000’s, mainly because it was all over the place. I at least liked the Wolverine parts and some of the action’s not that bad. Also, I still love quoting this meme from the movie. I’m the Juggernaut, b**ch!
I still don't really like it. Ratner has no sense of subtlety (i mean what do you expect from the guy who directed the Rush Hour movies), and I hated how they dropped the ball on the Iceman/Pyro beef (it could have been so much more). Also the SFX were way more of a spectacle, where X1 and X2 used them more to service the story.
Rouges siphon abilities are temporary unless she holds on long enough, which will kill the person she holds on to. She got her super strength, durability, and flight from holding on to Captain Marvel(Kara Danvers)for a long time, but in Captian Marvel's case, it just put her in a coma for a while.
Even though this movie is objectively the weakest in the trilogy and tries way too hard to mix multiple X-Men storylines together becoming a jumbled mess and really doing a disservice to the Phoenix Saga storyline, I will still say I do enjoy some aspects of this movie as it's probably for some of the most entertaining action in the trilogy and some VFX scenes still hold up like Magneto raising the Golden Gate Bridge. Nevertheless I really am not a fan of how this film killed off Cyclops at the beginning and just wasted James Marsden in all 3 of these movies despite giving his character barely any screentime or character progression despite being the leader of the X-Men and one of the most important characters in the whole franchise. Thank god X-Men 97 came around and showed audiences how cool and interesting Cyclops can truly is
Yeah, it’s definitely frustrating how Cyclops wasn’t given a chance to shine here but I’m so glad they gave him the opportunity in X-Men ‘97 because he’s great!
Kristen getting into the world of X-Men, I love it. After the movies DEFINITELY binge the the 1990's animated series and 'X-Men '97'. For good measure check out 'X-Men: Evolution' as well.
At the end of the movie, everyone kinda can come back as a character except for Cyclops. Jean Grey is Omega Level Mutant and as Phoenix too she cant die. Professor X transfered his consciousness into the man in the hospital. Magneto and Rogue will regain their powers as the "cure" is only temporary. One thing the movies failed to do is showcase the leadership of Scott Summers/Cyclops and the friendship between Jean and Storm. P.S. Jean would kill Rogue (or anyone) before they touched her. Thats why Wolverine was the only one who could do anything.
0:43 The actor playing John Grey (Adrian Hough) voiced Nightcrawler in the "X-Men '97" series. Desiree Zurowski, who plays Elaine Grey really DOES look a lot like Famke Janssen. Great casting.
In the comics Phoenix is an extremely powerful cosmic entity that possesses Jean, completely flips out and literally destroys a galaxy, So they kind of had to de-power her in these movies haha
Jean could not have brought anyone back to life. She could do anything. She could imagine with matter. But you can't imagine your way into the intricacies required to create a living being. Let alone to replicate one and their consciousness
Did you notice that Magneto's speech in the forest is based on AH's speeches at the Nuremberg NSDAP rallies? You are supposed to draw the parallel between Magneto and That Guy
There are so many messages in this movie that are hitting home right on our doorstep to today..... The 'fix' to cure the X gene. Isn't this happening right now? It's been a big news topic for months... "I don't like seeing mutants fight against one another....There are things going on in the Middle East/Europe" I mean, need I say more? It's why I both love and hate these movies. It's topics so close to our societies and people love them. Yet, we never learn..... In regards to Rogue making her decision.... To not be able to touch people.... To not be able to shake someone's hand. Give someone a hug. Make love? It has to be one of the most isolating powers of them all. She's completely alone. I mean, how many times have you two touched each other in the making of this video? Probably several dozen times. It's so taken for granted. I am down with her decision...
Achara just spoiled Kristen for the Wolverines plan to attack Magneto. She deserved to find out the first time like most of us. C'mon Achara please don't say anything about important scenes if you've watched already.
After watching X-Men 97, it just continues to underline how completely different this Rogue is compared to the real Rogue from the comics/cartoon. Totally missed the mark. Same for Scott.
55:41 No, Achara. They didn’t change Rogue’s powers between the movies and the animation. The way she got her flight, strength and invulnerability was from touching and holding on to Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers) for too long. That follows with what the Professor told Logan after the nightmare incident with Rogue. She actually ended up putting Danvers in a coma as a result. This is not to be confused with the MCU Carol Danvers. That character and her background were massively rewritten. Yes, I’ll give you the part about “gimping” her here but that was done because as much as they talked about her feelings towards having her powers they didn’t really touch on her feelings towards using her powers. We find out in the animated series that she retains memories and even part of Danvers’ psyche after stealing her powers away. This is the main impetus for Rogue’s choice to refrain from using the powers she was born with and instead relying on what she took from Danvers.
I like X3. I think even more now that we’ve seen The Wolverine and Days of Future Past. The Xmen movies are so good. The only one I didn’t really like was Xmen Origins: Wolverine. Can’t wait for Deadpool 3.
The thing about Rogue's power is she can't really control it. You touch her skin and it just happens. With Scott, his lack of control comes from a brain injury, so that could be overcome eventually. But with Rogue, it seems to be more instinctive, something her conscious mind has no involvement in, like Logan's healing factor. He doesn't make himself heal, it just...happens. Speaking of Logan's healing, in one comic he was fitted with cuffs that nullified his powers. He could still pop the claws, because they aren't a power. They're biological, like a cat's claws. They rest in his forearms, and emerge up through his hands when he extends them. And yeah, this was the last. They didn't expect to be making more, so they just swung for it. It also didn't help that the guy with final say sees the film industry as a means of selling toys, so doesn't care about actual...ya know...quality.
Ladies, Professor Charles isn’t really gone remember he looked at Wolverine and was smiling before he exploded. Charles is alive, remember when he was talking to his students about When a person acquires great power the use or misuse of that power becomes everything. Remember the case study the man with no brain function when Charles asked what if we were to transfer the consciousness of into the form of this man. This is exactly what happened before Charles imploded he transferred his consciousness into that same man with terminal cancer. This is how Charles is still alive
there´s a post-credtis scene that you didn´t see. before professor Chavier dies , he trabsfers his mind to the body of the man in a vegetative state who appears at the beginning of the film. he only dies in his body he talks to Moira at the hospital and she recognized him . ( brasil)
Technically he has a link with a entity,same as Jean,green goblin,ghost rider,and hulk... And three of those 4 have a modified DNA (a mutation) so it's very possible to juggernaut has a mutation that allows him to have suck link... You cut his mutation,you cut his power...
They truly were all about Wolverine and that got old quick. Its part of the reason I couldnt care less about Jackman playing Wolverine again with Deadpool.
@@alucard624 I wouldn't mind the Wolverine attention but at least they should have given the other characters time to shine. It really makes sense why his roles in the X-Men 97 series was reduced.
If I remember correctly Brian Singer who directed the first 2 X-men films left the franchise for the chance to direct Superman Returns. It definitely led to production issues behind the scenes but the actors did great with what they had. The script wasn't the worst but it felt like the final edits were done by people who didn't fully understand the characters.
My take on this movie is that it was made for X-Men casual viewers and now that you are experts as you explained at the end it left something to be desired. For someone who is only watching this movie then it was probably fine for them. They aren't invested.
What they don't show or mention is that the body without a conscious that Xavier ends up in is his twin brother who was born that way... So he now inhabits a body that looks just like he did
Some of this movie's issues are easily explained by the studio getting too involved. Unless I'm misremembering but I distinctly remember Phoenix was never planned to be part of this movie, so she was Shoehorned into it. Which is why it sometimes feels kinda rushed and characters are just brought in long enough to be taken out a few minutes later.
39:09 Angel is played by Ben Foster. He's also been in "Alpha Dog" and "3:10 To Yuma" amongst others. A lot of people, including myself sometimes mistake him for Aaron Paul from "Breaking Bad" fame.
Here's why fans were disappointed with X3: The Phoenix was nerfed, severely. The Phoenix force is a being of immense power that can destroy galaxies. The Phoenix could have wiped out the planet during the final fight, instead she just dusted everyone and was playing with the environment. Also, the movie didnt know what it wanted to be, was it about the cure or Jean and her plight? Because the focus was split they couldnt fully focus on either plot point. And Cyclops was done dirty throughout the first two movies. Dude is basically the mutant Captain America and they cut James Marsden from X3 since he was also filming Superman Returns. Hugh Jackman played such an amazing Wolverine that the series became Wolverine & the X-Men. "Back then" they didnt do more than a trilogy so the way they wrapped this movie up left it open for more but also critical response to X3 killed any (immediate) sequels.
I’m one of the weirdos who loves this film (it just spoke to me personally, and I never read the comics). It’s actually my favorite out of the original three, but I do still think the next two are even better.
A lot of people dunk on this movie (mostly comic fans who can't stand when the movies divert from the comics), but I actually like it. The story is interesting, the action is epic and the music is great. Works for me! P.S.: would have made more sense to cure Jean instead of killing her. That's a point ... P.P.S.: Rogue is a "weak human being" for wanting to be who she wants to be? Think about that for a second, in real worlds terms. Coincidentally Ellen/Elliot Page is playing Kittie Pryde in this movie.
Actually the comic fans were mostly pissed about how the Dark Phoenix storyline was extremely glossed over. The character deaths are all pretty much par de course for X Men. As well as the fact that staying dead is hard in Marvel Comics land. Can't wait for you to watch Nightmare of Future Past. In particular as big Mystique fans.
“Charles Xavier has done more for Mutants than you will ever know. My only regret is that he had to die for our dream to live” The best line of the movie
Easily the best line in what's otherwise a pretty bad movie. Hell it might be one of the best lines in all the X-Men movies, as it illustrates just how much Magneto and Prof. X respect one another despite how different they're going about mutant-human relations.
This line shows the followers of Xavier & Magneto thought they were each other's mortal enemies, but they were each other's oldest friends!
He ddnt die thou ... post credit scene exists!
The best line in the X-men series, and the genius editor of this reaction video skipped it!! Turned this into a tragic romance!!! Not pleased!!!!
Second best line.
Nothing compares to the masterpiece "I'm the Juggernaut, b*tch".
3:33
Storm "Logan, we work as a team!"
Logan *Procedes to do a pretty cool team combo move with Colossus
Storm "Damm it Logan!"
Make up your mind, Storm
She was mad cause he jumped right to that instead of giving the others a chance.
you gotit wrong, they're teaching them. so she wants them to do the move.
"Fastball Special"
When the support gets the shutdown.
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣. That was funny
Phoenix would’ve vaporized Rogue long before she could touch her.
But what if rogue got the jump on her😮
@@everburn It's quite difficult to catch a telepath by surprise. And even if she can somehow its not in one sec. She take a little bit then fly faaar away from her. And i doubt the whole body will finish that fly journey😄
@BernardAl She telepath. She will sense her and her intention. Even Logan doesnt win "fair". Jean let him. And again even she somehow touch her. She need time. Phoenix doesnt give any additional second and throw her away. Then destroy.
@BernardAl the Phoenix is its own entity she can't do shit, it would just leave her. Why do you think it's so damn op?
@BernardAl
Im sorry but did u watch the animation or did u read some comics?...rouge cant take the phoenix power she was almost killed.
Achara "She's just so angry."
Kristen "You know who needs to touch her?"
Jean Grey Thano's snapping people a decade earlier.
lol
ME : JESUS ? (im stoopid)
Spends three films sympathetic towards Rogue not able to have human contact.
Rogue gets cured.
Both - 'no. I'm not down with that!'
😂😂😂😂
they be crazy like that
IKR..........holy flip flop attitudes.
While feeling sorry for Magneto getting owned after killing so many, acting like Hitler from his youth.
OIY!!!!
flip flopping peeps today.
"Her Body, Her Choice"
How dare you try to tell her what to do
😛
Women ☕️
Yeah it's hard to take them seriously sometimes
Dont blame Scott's death fully on the studio. The actor was filming Superman Returns around the same time so they needed a way to write him out so he could do that movie.
Marsden still got paid for it too and didn't get any blame for this movie falling short. I think he won out of everyone lol
#IBlameAviArad
Also the director was directing Superman returns also. So the director and the actor bailed on this movie.
X-men people should have iron clad clauses like Mission Impossible.
They not only ruined ruined Justice League through a mustache, but when the Mission Impossible 2 villain had an accident during a stunt, he lost his X-men role to Hugh Jackman!
@@algalle2 the X Men producers could have waited for Singer to finish Superman Returns but they really wanted to push the release to make money. It's all greed and it shows in the bad storytelling
Okay good, you realize how Xavier came back. BUT! Something not said in the movie, but is said in the commentary, that man without conciousness is Xavier’s twin brother. So he’ll still look like himself
Rogue’s power absorbtion has always been temporary, unless she touches someone long enough to keep them permanently, which either kills them or puts them into a coma. And she’s not crazy about doing that. There’s a really good episode in S2 of the original 90s cartoon called A Rogue’s Tale that goes into her backtory and how she has her other powers permanently. Highly recommend
And if you want a good adaptation of the Phoenix story, also watch those episodes of the old cartoon
Ahhh ! Coma you mean Captain Marvel 😅
i never knew that was Charles's twin, that really explains a lot
@@SuperGodzilla2because he doesn't have a twin brother he has a twin sister named Cassandra nova the Juggernaut is his stepbrother and he's not in mutant he got his powers from a magical Stone
Professor x doesn't have a twin brother he has a twin sister named Cassandra nova and Juggernaut is his stepbrother and he's not a mutant he got his powers from a magical stone. In this movie adaptation it's professor x twin brother but he doesn't have a twin brother like i said he has a twin sister who's in Deadpool and wolverine
@AntoineRideaux-wd1zk ok.... I knew all that. What I didn't know was that in This Contanunity Charles had a twin brother . Like what the main comment here said...
The only truly great thing to come out of this movie was the casting of Kelsey Grammer as Beast. He perfectly captured Hank McCoy’s charm and extreme intelligence along with his savagery in combat.
Nah, the movie is good
@@Gabriel-allgreat, not just good. Only clowns hate on it
@@KoolKeithProductions Agreed
Can’t see anyone else taking the role of Wolverine, Hugh Jackman is too perfect.
To me calling Rogue weak for wanting the cure is really not thinking about how badly her powers affect relationships and her ability to even hold her kids in the future.
Rogue was weak in the movies, btw hve u seen the animated series, comics, she's top tier
Thing is, Rogue is perfectly capable of controlling her power. She’s the one that decides when and if her absorption power kicks in when she touches people, but instead of learning how to do it, she went straight for the cure. This version of Rogue did anyways.
You're assuming they think before saying things. Remember these aren't people that are hard X-men fans, they are normal people watching a movie.
To be fair I hate the fact they did that in the movie personally. These movies started by barely getting Rogue right in the movies and they go full circle to making her not the character she should have been. Really frustrating.
The problem with reaction people though is most of them say things without actually thinking, and if they don't have a full understanding of the thing they are watching, of course they are going to come to dumb conclusions or dumb reasons for said conclusions.
Wrong.@@yannym4605
This ladies are not thinking that's the problem
15:52 In the comics, the Juggernaut is not a mutant. His strength and durability is really magic. He's also Professor X's stepbrother, but its not brought up in this film.
Exactly...so the kids mutant power nullifying ability wouldn't/shouldn't have worked on him.
Yeah, they managed to botch several stories in one movie.
It wasnt the effects, or the acting...and yeah, some dialogue was cheesy...but it was the absolute mangling of those plotlines that holds this as the worst xmen film.
Both movie verof Juggernaut refuse to acknowledge this for some reason. Most of the new characters were vastly underused for no reason. The blame goes to Avi Arad, who thinks the movie business is about selling toys for some reason.
To be fair, most folks who know who Juggernaut is, even from the 90s show, all assume he is a mutant. The minority know these facts here, I ain't mad at them not including his powers are magic, just that he had too little screen time.
@@timcarder2170 Ever hear of this thing called...different continuities? Juggernaut was a mutant in X-Men: Evolution too.
All it means is that THIS Earth's Juggernaut was a mutant.
Because, remember: multiverses are a thing.
Even though the scene did not come out I like when Magneto and Pyro are in the forest and Pyro insults Xavier. Then Magneto looks at him and pretty much says how dare he talk shit about Xavier.
This is not many people's favorite X-Men movie so Famke Janssen rarely gets the credit she deserves for some of the great performance she gives here. Y'know she also was in an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation where she played a mutant empath alongside Sir Patrick Stewart, so she had previous experience.
As much as you two hated Rogue for taking the cure, it's understandable why she would. Going without human contact and intimacy is something very difficult to grasp if you don't think about it and can easily be taken for granted. Imagine not being able to hug the people you love without potentially putting them into a coma. The cure for people who had difficult powers to control or can't deactivate is a valid reason for taking it, like somebody who's power is to permanently radiate harmful radiation or is always on fire or something like that. Also, Rogue only had those powers in the animated series and the comics (for a period of time) because she held onto Captain Marvel for a long time and it lasted longer.
She can have human contact, just not with naked skin... (Humans don't get naked to give a hug...) So she just quit her power to sit on a D...(Which was thought by a director with several cases of harassment,some of them being in the set of this same movie...)
Rogue getting the shot is what happens when she doesn’t have her Swamp-rat. Gambit and Rogue forever.
It's totally understandable why Rogue took the cure, she's not weak for taking it.
She was willing to abandon something that could be used to save others (that could've save Jean even) to sit on a D...🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
While never having done anything with her abilities
I always loved this film series. Magneto being my favorite villain, a man who becomes the very monster that destroyed his family.
Jean can move anything with her mind, unlike Magneto who can only move metal.
Magneto can move more than just metal bud. He can move the earth itself anything with magnetic properties.
@@droc0296 in context to just the films. And was pointing out a base level comparison between the 2 characters. I am well aware that Magneto can do more with his abilities, but can’t really say without going into spoiler territory.
In my opinion, I think what magneto meant when he said Jean could do anything was that her powers aren’t limited to controlling just metal. Magneto said “I can only manipulate the metals in this, but you can do anything”. I interpreted it as Jean being able to control anything and anyone with her mind without limits.
In the comics Phoenix is able to obliterate entire solar systems within seconds, Rouge would have 0 chance against her. Even in the movies Jean is still a level 5 telepath so she would be able to "see" Rouge's intentions. She's also a level 5 telekinetic so she can erect a barrier around herself that exists even when she is rendered unconscious (just like she did in the lake). Again 0 chance. But I did appreciate your passion. Its really cool that your both geeking out about Marvel. Makes me smile. Look forward to seeing more.
You need to respect Rogue's decision. She didn't just do it for "a guy". She just wanted an intimate relationship in her life. With him or anyone else who loves her.
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer
But for this one, he decided to step in as the main producer
That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
And yet, after Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, everyone has come to appreciate this movie
@@polaullon5116 I enjoyed Dark Phoenix a lot more than TLS
@@polaullon5116 Everyone, my ass. Nostalgia doesn't change the fact this movie is terrible. Frankly I personally still take Apocalypse over this. Dark Phoenix, it's debatable. Between that and this, it's really just a matter of your flavor of bullshit.
Really stuck to the Lucas school of filmmaking with that one
@@Zombiesnyder13 They are both trash, but Dark Phoenix was even stinkier trash than TLS. How do you mess up the whole Jean/Phoenix thing a second time... like wtf. I hate Dark Phoenix more because of that, and for "maybe it should be called X-Women" or whatever that awful line is, and for the fact that they were all clearly just phoning this in because Twentieth Century Fox wanted to make a few more bucks before they said goodbye to their rights. Finally though, with X-Men 97' Jean and Scott both got the treatment they deserved.
The Phoenix arc in the cartoons was one of my favorites, I was a bit sad by the movie because I remembered it being so much more epic.
FOX's version of the Phoenix was terrible.
Yeah they are 0-2 on correctly adapting the Dark Phoenix saga. Unfortunately it would take a Guardians of the Galaxy / Infinity War number of films and budget to properly render it in film because it's a space epic.
4. X-Men Origins Wolverine, (2009)
5. X-Men First Class, (2011)
6. The Wolverine, (2013)
7. X-Men Days of Future Past, (2014)
8. X-Men Apocalypse, (2016)
9. Logan, (2017)
10. Dark Phoenix, (2019)
11. The New Mutants, (2020)
If you want to skip Deadpool films, you might as well skip Wolverine films, too!
@@kartiksharma7674 On your side mate !
@@kartiksharma7674Doesn't matter. Because the original three movies and the newer movies never show him at all.
Jean Grey was " Dustin" fools way before Thanos was on the scene with the Guantlet! Lol
Achara: "Your soon is literally an Angel!"
Us: Exactly.
"Don't you know who I am? I'm the JUGGERNAUT, bitch!" was an internet meme that the movie was referencing. The meme is a clip of Juggernaut from the 90's X-Men cartoon that someone had humorously dubbed over with different dialogue that includes that line.
Yep! The group was called MyWayEntertainment
Possibly the 1st viral video.
There were memes back in 2006?
@@prathapkutty7407 Not sure jokes started being called memes yet at that point, but yes, humor existed.
@@BonzoDrummer I'm pretty sure memes came around after the 2010s mainly through Facebook and twitter.
Famke Janssen performance is definitely understated as Jean grey in this film. It’s might be the best thing about the movie.
The adamantium in wolverines body is constantly poising him. His body is in a constant state of healing, so if he got hit with the cure and it worked stripping him of his healing factor he’d be pretty screwed! That’s to say if the cure would even work on someone with that powerful a healing factor.
As always love the reaction, with 1 exception. Your take on Rogue. Now it's true, Rogue in the comics ultimately grows to her full potential and retains mutant abilities. Like she's really strong, can fly, and some other stuff, but your reaction was so striking, imo. You really would choose to live with great power, but never have contact. Like no hugs, kisses, or sex? You really think a 18 to 20 yr old woman, that is in love, would want to die a virgin? In the comics/animation, she isn't a virgin, but pretty sure that's because she learned to absorb Magneto's power and then they could have contact. But in these 3 movies that's not a thing, so Rogue's decision to take the cure, makes sense to me. And the fact that both of you reacted the way you did was kind of shocking.
Oh well good reaction anyway. I hope you intend to watch the First Class movie series.
This movie isn't anywhere near as bad as people think it is. Is a good closure of the trilogy. And it's DEFINITELY better than most of the re casted movies that came after.
It's better than Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix that's for sure.
If I'm not mistaken, Rogue's ability to keep another mutant's power depends on how long she holds on to them. She permanently kept flight and strength by taking Ms. Marvel's power.
Who watched X-Men' 97 knows that Magneto would never simply leave Mystique like that. Look how he reacted when the same happend to Storm on the show.
This is one of the best movies in the entire x men series when comes to action and the portrayal of phoenix 🐦🔥
To be fair, the main reason most people disliked the movie actually has nothing to do with the movie itself. It has to do with the Phoenix Fire itself, since it was never supposed to be 'part' of Jean, it is an alien being that inhabits other beings, (which they do sorta retcon.)
The main reason Rogue isn't the most powerful in the movies is simply because she didn't become so powerful without the powers belonging to the Avengers, and since at the time Marvel movies were split all over the place between different studios, and Sony didn't have the rights to some of the characters that made Rogue powerful, it left her pretty much without a proper place.
The best part (to me) of the movie is that they actually allowed themselves to go completely dark, which let's face it, if this movie didn't exist, Infinity War and Endgame wouldn't exist...
"It's like brother attacking brother"
GREAT. Now I'm remembering the first Pokemon movie again.
Wolverine would say to you: You want the best? You got it.
The after credit scene showed why they showed the body of the man with no higher function earlier in the movie. Charles transferred his mind into that body. Thus, why he smiled as he was being killed.
44:50 "i feel like they were just trying to put an end to it" almost like it was some kind of last stand
Rogue being unable to touch another human without hurting them, is a cruel state of being. It is entirely understandable that she would want to be able to have physical interactions with people she loves. As humans, even though we exist in our own bubbles of thought and perception, we are not mind alone, but also our body and our senses. We are connected to the physical world we inhabit, and the people we inhabit the world with.
Kelsey Grammer’s Beast was criminally wasted in this movie.
You're mad that Rogue took the cure? Seriously?? She could NEVER live a full, happy life while being unable to touch anyone. It was her choice, and I'm honestly surprised you both didn't approve of that.
Same. It’s pretty obvious but, somehow they still miss the point.
@@adamhendrickson512I love that meme
"finally! A cure for my chainsaw hands!", decreed Chainsaw-Hands Joe
"There's no cure", said Johnny Five-Dicks, "there's nothing wrong with us"
@@bipstymcbipste5641 lmfaooooo
In regards to Rogue she does have the potential to become one of the strongest mutants depending on the powers she absorbs, but the downside is that she HAS to physically touch them.
A telepath like Jean could turn Rogues brain off before she’s even in the same city as her.
Also in regards to Rogues powers in the comics and from what you see in the Xmen 97 show, the length of time Rogue gets someone’s powers is entirely dependant on how long she touches them. The reason she has flight and super strength is because in the comics she held onto Ms.Marvel (Captain Marvel in the MCU) for so long that she essentially got her powers permanently for free in addition to still having her draining touch.
0:42 The guy right there is actually the voice actor for Nightcrawler in the X-Men animated series and X-Men 97! 🙏🏽💪
I think these two specifically might enjoy the original X-men TV show and would be great for Kristen to get back story and great context for '97
I'd watch that...🍿
R.i.p. Scott 😎
Yes, she did rip Scott.
#IBlameAviArad
Kelsey grammar as Beast, Perfect Casting
I always find it hilarious that Peter is carrying around that tube tv and no one makes a comment. lol
Sometimes you gotta just enjoy a movie than making multiple questions trying to find out whats gonna happen next
I know this movie has it's problems but The fight at Worthington labs has got to be one of my favorite moments from the X-men movies.
A lot of people did not like this movie back in the 2000’s, mainly because it was all over the place. I at least liked the Wolverine parts and some of the action’s not that bad. Also, I still love quoting this meme from the movie. I’m the Juggernaut, b**ch!
#IBlameAviArad
A lot of comics fans didn't like it cause they butchered the Phoenix saga.
I still don't really like it. Ratner has no sense of subtlety (i mean what do you expect from the guy who directed the Rush Hour movies), and I hated how they dropped the ball on the Iceman/Pyro beef (it could have been so much more). Also the SFX were way more of a spectacle, where X1 and X2 used them more to service the story.
Rouges siphon abilities are temporary unless she holds on long enough, which will kill the person she holds on to. She got her super strength, durability, and flight from holding on to Captain Marvel(Kara Danvers)for a long time, but in Captian Marvel's case, it just put her in a coma for a while.
Even though this movie is objectively the weakest in the trilogy and tries way too hard to mix multiple X-Men storylines together becoming a jumbled mess and really doing a disservice to the Phoenix Saga storyline, I will still say I do enjoy some aspects of this movie as it's probably for some of the most entertaining action in the trilogy and some VFX scenes still hold up like Magneto raising the Golden Gate Bridge. Nevertheless I really am not a fan of how this film killed off Cyclops at the beginning and just wasted James Marsden in all 3 of these movies despite giving his character barely any screentime or character progression despite being the leader of the X-Men and one of the most important characters in the whole franchise. Thank god X-Men 97 came around and showed audiences how cool and interesting Cyclops can truly is
#IBlameAviArad
Yeah, it’s definitely frustrating how Cyclops wasn’t given a chance to shine here but I’m so glad they gave him the opportunity in X-Men ‘97 because he’s great!
Kristen getting into the world of X-Men, I love it. After the movies DEFINITELY binge the the 1990's animated series and 'X-Men '97'. For good measure check out 'X-Men: Evolution' as well.
At the end of the movie, everyone kinda can come back as a character except for Cyclops. Jean Grey is Omega Level Mutant and as Phoenix too she cant die. Professor X transfered his consciousness into the man in the hospital. Magneto and Rogue will regain their powers as the "cure" is only temporary.
One thing the movies failed to do is showcase the leadership of Scott Summers/Cyclops and the friendship between Jean and Storm.
P.S. Jean would kill Rogue (or anyone) before they touched her. Thats why Wolverine was the only one who could do anything.
Love ❤️ seeing Wolverine going beast mode 😊
The way Kristen lose her way in explain something is a work of art all by itself...haha
20:24 Right!!!! Magento literally said, "No one goes inside." *Juggernaut throws Wolverine inside* 😭😂
0:43 The actor playing John Grey (Adrian Hough) voiced Nightcrawler in the "X-Men '97" series. Desiree Zurowski, who plays Elaine Grey really DOES look a lot like Famke Janssen. Great casting.
In the comics Phoenix is an extremely powerful cosmic entity that possesses Jean, completely flips out and literally destroys a galaxy, So they kind of had to de-power her in these movies haha
Jean could not have brought anyone back to life. She could do anything. She could imagine with matter. But you can't imagine your way into the intricacies required to create a living being. Let alone to replicate one and their consciousness
Did you notice that Magneto's speech in the forest is based on AH's speeches at the Nuremberg NSDAP rallies? You are supposed to draw the parallel between Magneto and That Guy
There are so many messages in this movie that are hitting home right on our doorstep to today..... The 'fix' to cure the X gene. Isn't this happening right now? It's been a big news topic for months... "I don't like seeing mutants fight against one another....There are things going on in the Middle East/Europe" I mean, need I say more?
It's why I both love and hate these movies. It's topics so close to our societies and people love them. Yet, we never learn.....
In regards to Rogue making her decision.... To not be able to touch people.... To not be able to shake someone's hand. Give someone a hug. Make love? It has to be one of the most isolating powers of them all. She's completely alone. I mean, how many times have you two touched each other in the making of this video? Probably several dozen times. It's so taken for granted. I am down with her decision...
Achara just spoiled Kristen for the Wolverines plan to attack Magneto.
She deserved to find out the first time like most of us. C'mon Achara please don't say anything about important scenes if you've watched already.
Famke Janssen really knows how to play characters that have a lot of duality written into them.
After watching X-Men 97, it just continues to underline how completely different this Rogue is compared to the real Rogue from the comics/cartoon. Totally missed the mark. Same for Scott.
41:04 “That was it?”
Wolverine: “This is it”
The time of that was impeccable
55:41
No, Achara. They didn’t change Rogue’s powers between the movies and the animation. The way she got her flight, strength and invulnerability was from touching and holding on to Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers) for too long. That follows with what the Professor told Logan after the nightmare incident with Rogue. She actually ended up putting Danvers in a coma as a result. This is not to be confused with the MCU Carol Danvers. That character and her background were massively rewritten.
Yes, I’ll give you the part about “gimping” her here but that was done because as much as they talked about her feelings towards having her powers they didn’t really touch on her feelings towards using her powers. We find out in the animated series that she retains memories and even part of Danvers’ psyche after stealing her powers away. This is the main impetus for Rogue’s choice to refrain from using the powers she was born with and instead relying on what she took from Danvers.
I like X3. I think even more now that we’ve seen The Wolverine and Days of Future Past. The Xmen movies are so good. The only one I didn’t really like was Xmen Origins: Wolverine. Can’t wait for Deadpool 3.
I’m so mad that I’m now realizing that they used Leech as the cure in this movie after watching the original X-Men cartoon and ‘97 😭😂
The thing about Rogue's power is she can't really control it. You touch her skin and it just happens. With Scott, his lack of control comes from a brain injury, so that could be overcome eventually. But with Rogue, it seems to be more instinctive, something her conscious mind has no involvement in, like Logan's healing factor. He doesn't make himself heal, it just...happens.
Speaking of Logan's healing, in one comic he was fitted with cuffs that nullified his powers. He could still pop the claws, because they aren't a power. They're biological, like a cat's claws. They rest in his forearms, and emerge up through his hands when he extends them.
And yeah, this was the last. They didn't expect to be making more, so they just swung for it. It also didn't help that the guy with final say sees the film industry as a means of selling toys, so doesn't care about actual...ya know...quality.
Ladies, Professor Charles isn’t really gone remember he looked at Wolverine and was smiling before he exploded. Charles is alive, remember when he was talking to his students about When a person acquires great power the use or misuse of that power becomes everything. Remember the case study the man with no brain function when Charles asked what if we were to transfer the consciousness of into the form of this man. This is exactly what happened before Charles imploded he transferred his consciousness into that same man with terminal cancer. This is how Charles is still alive
there´s a post-credtis scene that you didn´t see. before professor Chavier dies , he trabsfers his mind to the body of the man in a vegetative state who appears at the beginning of the film. he only dies in his body he talks to Moira at the hospital and she recognized him . ( brasil)
Did you actually watch the video?
51:23
FYI, Juggernaut is not a mutant, his power is from magical stone.
Correction: now to not
Yea, so im not sure of leech's power would work on him lol... according to the movie's logic
@@kazkazeethe movie changed him into a mutant that's how he was effected.
Technically he has a link with a entity,same as Jean,green goblin,ghost rider,and hulk... And three of those 4 have a modified DNA (a mutation) so it's very possible to juggernaut has a mutation that allows him to have suck link... You cut his mutation,you cut his power...
These movies should have been called Wolverine and the X-Men. The other characters had no character growth
They truly were all about Wolverine and that got old quick. Its part of the reason I couldnt care less about Jackman playing Wolverine again with Deadpool.
@@alucard624 I wouldn't mind the Wolverine attention but at least they should have given the other characters time to shine. It really makes sense why his roles in the X-Men 97 series was reduced.
Funny enough, the box set that has the OG trilogy, the first 2 Wolverine movies and First Class is called the "X-Men and Wolverine Collection"
I don't think they could since they already had a cartoon with that name.
Yeah you're crazy then
@@alucard624
46:55 - They killed Cyclops because James Marsden was busy filming "Superman Returns" for Bryan Singer (director of XMen 1 & 2).
15:37 I just realized that’s Eric Dane from Grey’s Anatomy 😱😱. Mcsteamy 😂
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again here, I love the post watch discussion. All too often, reactions just end with the end of the movie.
"You can do anything" is surely a motivational statement. Not like "I have analyzed your powers and determined you have no limits". Right?
Can't wait for you girls to watch the prequels. Days of Future Past is a masterpiece.
I need to see these two reacting to many more movies... Best commentaries. On point guesses... And random puns here and there 😂
If I remember correctly Brian Singer who directed the first 2 X-men films left the franchise for the chance to direct Superman Returns. It definitely led to production issues behind the scenes but the actors did great with what they had. The script wasn't the worst but it felt like the final edits were done by people who didn't fully understand the characters.
My take on this movie is that it was made for X-Men casual viewers and now that you are experts as you explained at the end it left something to be desired. For someone who is only watching this movie then it was probably fine for them. They aren't invested.
Sad yall don't even think about how Rouge a women truly feels.
What they don't show or mention is that the body without a conscious that Xavier ends up in is his twin brother who was born that way... So he now inhabits a body that looks just like he did
Can't wait Kristen to start the two Fantastic Four movies ... after finishing all the X-Men, Wolverine & Deadpool movies.
Some of this movie's issues are easily explained by the studio getting too involved. Unless I'm misremembering but I distinctly remember Phoenix was never planned to be part of this movie, so she was Shoehorned into it. Which is why it sometimes feels kinda rushed and characters are just brought in long enough to be taken out a few minutes later.
39:09 Angel is played by Ben Foster. He's also been in "Alpha Dog" and "3:10 To Yuma" amongst others. A lot of people, including myself sometimes mistake him for Aaron Paul from "Breaking Bad" fame.
I really like this movie to be honest. Dark Phoenix saga might not as good as the comics but the mutants cure subplot is actually good.
Here's why fans were disappointed with X3: The Phoenix was nerfed, severely.
The Phoenix force is a being of immense power that can destroy galaxies. The Phoenix could have wiped out the planet during the final fight, instead she just dusted everyone and was playing with the environment.
Also, the movie didnt know what it wanted to be, was it about the cure or Jean and her plight? Because the focus was split they couldnt fully focus on either plot point.
And Cyclops was done dirty throughout the first two movies. Dude is basically the mutant Captain America and they cut James Marsden from X3 since he was also filming Superman Returns. Hugh Jackman played such an amazing Wolverine that the series became Wolverine & the X-Men.
"Back then" they didnt do more than a trilogy so the way they wrapped this movie up left it open for more but also critical response to X3 killed any (immediate) sequels.
Kristen’s X-men journey continues!!!☺️❤️
“Where's the grey area?"
Me: “HIS HAIR!!"
I’m one of the weirdos who loves this film (it just spoke to me personally, and I never read the comics).
It’s actually my favorite out of the original three, but I do still think the next two are even better.
A lot of people dunk on this movie (mostly comic fans who can't stand when the movies divert from the comics), but I actually like it. The story is interesting, the action is epic and the music is great. Works for me! P.S.: would have made more sense to cure Jean instead of killing her. That's a point ... P.P.S.: Rogue is a "weak human being" for wanting to be who she wants to be? Think about that for a second, in real worlds terms. Coincidentally Ellen/Elliot Page is playing Kittie Pryde in this movie.
Actually the comic fans were mostly pissed about how the Dark Phoenix storyline was extremely glossed over.
The character deaths are all pretty much par de course for X Men. As well as the fact that staying dead is hard in Marvel Comics land.
Can't wait for you to watch Nightmare of Future Past. In particular as big Mystique fans.
40:28 Scorpion and Sub-zero fight starring...
40:59 Sub-zero Wins... 👏👏👏
37:17 This line never gets old! 😂💪
8:46 I kinda wish they kept the deleted scene for this when Hank gave Logan a small smirk and growl, just adds that little touch more of Beast
We need these two amazing ladies to do "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" help me out people!
23:24 To be honest, this would of be the perfect time to introduce Gambit to Rogue in this movie! 👀💪