MIKE MENTZER: HOW MUCH PROTEIN DO YOU REALLY NEED?
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
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In this video, Mike Mentzer explains how much protein you would need to consume over the course of a year in order to build ten pounds of muscle and also reveals the commercial interests in bodybuilding that overemphasize this macro nutrient to take advantage of aspiring bodybuilders.
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I haven't had a whey protein shake since 2005.
It started as a 1 year experiment to see if it would negatively effect my muscle growth.
17 years later, thousands of dollars saved by not buying tubs of whey protein powder,
and I've built my most muscular body ever at age 58.
Moderate amounts of beef, chicken, fish, eggs, beans, lentils, and quinoa.
Thanks for your post, glenn.
I’ve been eating rare steaks and drinking a bunch of raw milk and I’m as strong and jacked as ever naturally, while putting in 1/5th the effort I did as a late teen/early 20s guy.
@@kacpermoney2820 Raw milk is outstanding. One of the rare foods that contain Carbs, Protein and Fat.
what about ham? I heard it has anabolic properties that are unparalleled.
thanks for sharing your knowledge Sir, its a lifetime knowledge
It's NOT protein grams, per pound of 'BODY WEIGHT', but it should rather be protein grams, per pound of 'LEAN MUSCLE MASS'. Even PHd. Dr. Fred Hatfield said, "You NEVER feed, your TOTAL BODY WEIGHT, YOU ONLY FEED your 'LEAN MUSCLE MASS'! ".
EVEN LESS! mike never took more than 100 grams a day...just like bill pearl....franco always said, " 1 gram of protein per kilogram ( lean) body weight plus 30 grams....same for arnold...as you can see, really not that much!
I know what you are saying but I’ve been training 21 years. I always look fatter and skinnier when I go anything below 1 gram of protein for my body weight. I tried per pound lean muscle and it never works. I don’t know what is myth and what isn’t anymore. I seem to look best even eating 1.3 grams per body weight.
@@soofitnsexy yeah but I lose weight and muscle but look fatter. So it’s not calories in vs calories out
@@soofitnsexy you include protein from rice and pasta in your 100g or just from meat/whey ?
@@henrycooper4213 zero evidence that anything past .82g/lb has real benefits, there are just massive diminishing returns. You're doing exactly what Mentzer explains in the video - you're getting in your head and letting it affect your training and dieting. Total placebo. Eating that much protein might not be harming you, but you could probably have a much healthier diet and probably feel + look much better if you didn't shoot for such an extreme.
He was ahead of it's time.Even today in 21st century,many fitness instructors and strength and nutrition experts are still spreading myths and lies.Mike was a genuine and sincere guy in giving advice on training and nutrition.
if caloric maintenance is all that matters then why do people who eat 500 calories less than their maintenance get a POT BELLY and stay in the _"skinny-fat"_ physique?
It's probably cause they have carrot cakes and sweet twinkies like Mike advised them to have
Even professional athletes, doctor's and personal trainers spread false info.
@@shibashisdas9050 He said if you stay under your calories you can get cut from eating just table sugar then went on to say "but i dont advise it"
@@themeatspot5020 so?
@shibashisdas9050 So... your comment is incorrect
@@themeatspot5020Nah, u're saying bullshit. Industrial snacks are made intentionally to weaken your physical condition, there is not just a shitton of sugar who should be enough to stay you away from them, but there is most importantly a lot of chemicals who are designed in a lab by teams of biologists in order to grow addictive behavior and horrible physical effects on the consumer. Believe it or not, the studies opened my eyes, now if you want to continue to spread the bullshit if it fit your macros and cope like a child to eat your cancerous Skittles and your Twinkies, go ahead, i don't care. Btw, i love Mike, he's an intelligent man and has my #3 favorite bodybuilder physique and i say this as someone who's not really interested in bodybuilding, but this take was horrible and he took the L bc of it.
This short lesson on the biology of muscle contains all you need to know to make the connection for any level of fitness at any age. Thanks to the legendary Mike Mentzer.
I really appreciated Mike's scientific approach (as opposed to Arnold who followed what Weider said) and looked indepth in scientific facts for evidence. He really was the rebel of conventional thinking among the masses which is found in a few who question the establishments where profit and deceit happen.
"...where profit and deceit happen." i.e., the church
Yet, a ton of scientific research has shown that he was incorrect on this point. What he had to say about training intensity, and the fact that you could get it done in three or four hours a week is closer to being correct. Getting adequate protein, 1 g per pound of lean body weight, is still a good rule of thumb.
@@Thaco69 Lb per KG. That puts the number for most lean men around 100.
@@aggie7756 ?
@@byomkeshbabu So what are you saying? Whos right? Do we need 1g per lb or not?
Mike had an impressive physique and an even more impressive mind.
Edit: everyone knows successful pro bodybuilders all use steroids, including Mike. It's also pretty common knowledge that there were other substance issues going on. I still stand by my original comment. People aren't simple, one dimensional beings and Mr. Mentzer was no exception.
Agreed. Thanks for your post.
There is nothing impressive about a man that died as a direct consequence from his steroids intake
Idk his biceps seem like they’d beg to differ lmao
I think he meant 16 extra calories from proteins, then it's correct. Though he's not accounting for the extra calories consummed by the process of MPS.
@@carlosdelsol76 well, then we shouldn't listen to anyone from the bodybuilding industrie. 99% of then are full of steroids. By the way I agree, we shouldn't listen to then
Mike Mentzer seems always to make sense, especially when challenging accepted body building whiz dumb
Keep these priceless audios coming John
Yeah seriously. I always found the Golden Age Bodybuilding workouts excessive and extreme. The idea of workouts spaced out during the week incorporating rest and recovery, makes a lot of sense.
What I love about people like Mentzer is they have/had the intelligence and integrity to challenge convention and see beyond “expert” opinions. Pioneers are always like that. Society never had all the answers at any one time and breakthroughs can come from anywhere. All it takes is intelligence and an open mind.
his method of using meth as pre workout never really caught on unfortunately
Does not take away from his credibility. For even naturals have put his methods to the test and found them to be completely accurate. Do other methods work? Yes, do Mikes methods work? Absolutely.
Mentzer certainly caused me to think more outside the box about bodybuilding. But protein supplements are big business, so good luck with convincing guys to not consume far more than they really need.
True.
The problem is that 99% of them will believe that their success is partly the result of their daily habits including the protein consumtion..."but it worked for me, bro"
They don´t know that they would look the exact same with half the protein and more carbs. And they will probably never find out.
It's much more complicated than that. If you replace protein with carbs, you will put on more fat. In a surplus with good amounts of carbs, protein intake doesn't need to be as high because your body uses the carbs for energy and uses the protein more efficiently to build. In the absence of a surplus, your body will use more protein for energy expenditure, so you need more to build muscle at the same rate. We've done a lot more research since then.
@@limitisillusion7 - For example, 4 time Mr. O. Jay Cutler went heavy on carbs instead of excessive protein and he was a monster. It depends on the person's genetics and what supplements/substances they take to work with their diet.
@@larryjohnson2306 a big fat monster in the off season
He’s a genius he was finishing medical studies while bodybuilding
When you put all your points into Strength and Intelligence 💪🏻
dude had Charisma too.
Loving these Mentzer uploads...keep them coming.
Thanks, Robert. Will do my best.
Out of the perspective of protein as a building block of muscle, he is spot on and the analogy with water is valid. What he forgot/wasn´t discovered yet, is the fact that certain amino acids are also signalling molecules for protein synthesis. Therefore, while eating more protein doesn´t necessarily favour better outcomes, eating it regularly seems to be advantageous.
Just wanted to say this since everybody seems to praise mentzer as the early godfather of science
And can you please tell which amino acids they mentioned and what signalling pathways they activated?
@@limo-swine6537 he might be referring to luceine, could be wrong, but I'm not too keen on verifying it myself at the moment.
@@limo-swine6537 Leucine, isoleucine, and valine activate PI3k pathway, mTOR, among other signaling pathways involved in muscle cell growth and repair.
As someone who is guilty of saying pretty much exactly the same I agree he is mistaken. I’d also like to note that digestion is not perfect and protein is needed in the body for many things other than muscle tissue.
@@aussiecath yes it is needed but not in the amounts that most bodybuilders consume it.
Literally every question I have this video has the answer. No ads, no bs straight to the point.
i say this a lot to my friends and no ones believes me. i worked out for 1 year eating around 1,8 / 2.0 G of protein per KG bodyweight, i gainned a lot of weight and "muscle" i had to stop eating that much so i was eating like 1g of protein per KG of bodyweight for like 4 months and i just lost fat and not muscle which made me question everything about this protein industry they just wanna sell
Thanks dear. İ was wondering about it. İf 1 gram protein for kg is enough to build muscle or not. You said it's enough. İ try to bro. ❤
Joe Weider was a marketing genius, period! Not a 'Guru', not a 'trainer', a marketer. Conversely, Mike Mentzer performed extensive research, aided and abetted by Art Jones, a scientist, and Mikes' principles, followed properly, WORK, just that simple!
When I was 22 years old I was a starving student and bought my first protein. Never consumed the recommended dosages- too expensive. And I had great strength and look good.
At 46 just bought whey protein powder again after 10 years not consuming it. I still don’t consume as recommended and feel great and look better then most my age.
I only use it when I feel too worn out and dont want to chew my food.
Use real food guys.
Smart
I'm eating 60-70g protein and 1800cal a day, and I'm the strongest, leanest and muscular that I've ever been. Go figure...
I want to try this. What is your height and weight? Curious if it’s sustainable for increasing muscle mass or just for being skinny
Mentzer was a genius. His HIT was ahead of it's time, a mixture of meta physics and training..
😂
I agree but I think in his later years he got too carried away with the concept
A genius that died from a heart attack at 49. Yeah right. An idiot you wanted to say?
@@JGD185 o
@@JGD185 Under the influence of Ayn Rand's garbage. In some sense all he did was return to older principles. 1940s lifters weren't doing 25 sets per bodypart 6 days a week.
This is a very simple way to look at a very complex issue. To say over-eating the same amount of calories in protein vs carbs will result in the same amount of fat gain isn't necessarily true if you look at the thermic effect of macronutrients. for most people with a balanced diet, this may be inconsequential, but moving to a higher protein diet has shown in studies to aid in weight loss. Protein also helps with satiety.
Do I think people over-consume protein and think it'll help them grow faster? Yes. This video is spot on in that regard, though there are benefits in my opinion to moving to a slightly higher protein intake while keeping calories the same.
Personally, I'd rather go over my "protein maintenance" number by a moderate amount and keep my calories at maintenance. That way I have what I need to repair and grow. I think of it like praying - If it actually makes a difference, great. If not, no one really suffers.
And yes, stay hydrated, y'all.
Another interesting video. Thank you. Perhaps an interesting observation is the protein levels of mothers milk, which are below 10%. Yet we grow immensely during the period of consuming this.
The growth rate of a baby is higher than adults. Inspite of the relatively low % protein in breastmilk, the baby is getting quite a bit of protein in relation to its bodyweight.
We grow from mother milk because of the huge amounts of oestrogen
Also testosterone but oestrogen is the dominate hormone here
At least for cows but I'm pretty sure it's the same principal for humans since it's the same feeding mechanism
yeah but there's much more growth mentally rather than physically. Cows milk gives you more physical growth, less mental development
Babies are dirty bulking though, their physiques are trash
The baby is drinking and eating lots of times per day!!!
If a bodybuilder tried to eat as much as a baby in proportion... He would vomit
This man was the most important person we ever needed in the fitness field. Everyone else just spit information, this guy used to spit knowledge!
I always remember the golden words: "the specific" & "the only required".
If Bodybuilding stayed all natural forever, this man's knowledge would've revolutionalised everything. And the fact that Natty Legends like Steve Reeves agreed with his Training Principles makes it evergreen that people before him & after him agree to the principles so much & the problems & solutions he talks about were relevant back then & are still relevant. Just Too GOATed!
dont forget that Steve Reeves was also an advocate of more carbohydrate specific diet. His macro split would be 60% carbs, 20% prot and 20% fat.
@@arissp4950 Steve Reeves was smart & hardworking bodybuilder, he knew what he was doing unlike Olympia bodybuilders.
@@visheshdeepgautam it's no coincidence that the gospel of 1-1.5g of prot per lbs of bw came in the 70s with Weider's supplements. Me as a natty I had the best results with 3 times per week 2 exercises per muscle group (3 sets and the last one to failure) and 0.80g of prot per pound of LEAN muscle mass not bodyweigjt
To say Mentzer was ahead of his time not only from a physique and training standpoint is an understatement!
I think people forget the "supplement" part of protein supplements. They are meant to supplement your normal daily diet, not become your daily diet.
I think there are several misconceptions in this lecture. protein has a higher TEF than carbohydrates and fat, so eating excess calories from protein will in fact not make you as fat as eating those from carbohydrates and fats. it's also very satiating so chances are you won't eat as much.
but what's more important he completely ignores the effect of certain amino acids on triggering MTOR and protein biosynthesis. it's not only about being a building block as it was believed for some time. it's about increasing the rate of building processes in the body.
his point also changed from building 10lbs of muscle in a year to maintainence calories vs excess calories which would otherwise turn into fat, without accounting for the potential for additional volume of exercise which can of course burn calories and/or build muscle mass. its not really mutually exclusive like "if you eat more you will become more fat" it goes hand in hand with the exercise youre doing
Word … go try and do a high volume session with heavy weights .. you will want to quit if you are in a caloric deficit in bulk mode you can train a lot harder
You can increase muscle buildings process by working out
@Mantelar you have a point, assuming they practice what they preach
@Mantelar yeah almost any approach to bodybuilding will work to build muscle (ESPECIALLY if youre on gear, which Mike was...), but it doesnt necessarily mean its great advice. almost any kind of work is better than none and with time will get results. if you were to simply say that because hes big it must be true, you could just as easily point to the countless bigger guys who have the complete opposite take on their diet
That point hit home about the water, too-you wouldn’t binge on water thinking it would make your muscles big. Makes sense it wouldn’t work with protein, either.
I liked that point as well, Daniel. Thanks for your post.
Well, yes and no
The water is stored for a longer time then the protein, the protein gets converted into the actual muscle fibers (myosin, actin and all that good stuff) and thus gets used so you have to replenish your protein source more often then the water (especially when you take creatine which pumps/stores more water in the muscle)
Multiple studies showed that about 2g/1kg is the optimal range
Not saying that Mike is totally wrong (he obviously wasn't, i mean look at him) but i rather listen to multiple modern studies then a bodybuilder from the 70/80s
@@Randybobandy024 Apples to Oranges. He was talking about the extra protein needed. You are talking about the TOTAL protein needed. Very different things.
yeah it´s a pretty good eye opener. There simply isn´t any mechanism in the human body that tells your body to get huge and lean because your consume more amino acids.
The only powerful mechanism can be influenced by steroids. A guy on pasta and steroids will gain way more than a guy on chicken and his own nuts.
Because Hormones are indeed giving your body signals to change body composition (so does working out). But not protein. Enough is enough.
@@Schaufelor True, hormones also decide how much water to store, HGH, Testosterone, vassopressin, aldosterone and many more hormones cause water retention. Its all about hormones, this is true for many things related to the body and mind.
I have been building and maintaining a pretty good physique for years and I can probably count the days I've followed the "1 gram per pound of bodyweight" rule on one hand. And if I did have 180 grams of protein, it was probably unintentional when I was at a cookout having ribs and hamburgers all day. I'd say I get less than 100 each day and my body is not cannibalizing itself.
more protein you eat, worse is nitrogen balance and utilizing of protein by body. it depends also on other things. more protein has definitely some anabolic qualities (short term) but in long term it is just pain in ass...
This is not for a natural, we need regular water and about 1 to 1.5 grams of protein, it's not a placebo effect, when on steroids you will grow eating good cookies and twinkies
See how many Mr olympias eat less than 1 gram of protein, or power lifters
What we can't eat is garbage as naturals
@@eduardobatista329 I'm on TRT and I don't grow when I eat junk
First time I've heard him speak. This guy was a genius.
Thanks for your post.
check out the high intensity mike mentzer videos where he is coaching that younger bodybuilder on the machines, its awesome
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Where can I find a good muscle building diet plan from Mike Mentzer? My body weight is 205 lb and I'm 6ft tall. I'm following his training program but I would like to find a diet plan to make sure I can build to my full potential.
@@KWengSport Hi. You may want to check out the videos I posted where Mike speaks about nutrition generally, as well as nutrition for building muscle. Do remember, however, that how much muscle you can build is determined primarily by your genetics.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Thanks for replying! I will check out one of those videos, yes I understand our genetics play a role in building muscle but I don't have much knowledge with what foods to eat throughout the day, I used to do volume training and took their advice on just consuming a lot of food and protein and training hard and got up to 220 lb but got fat in the process not even sure how much of it was muscle... Volume training and overeating makes sense for steroid users since they recover quickly and don't have to worry about overtraining, don't know why I couldn't figure it out before until I started listening to Mentzer just recently.
This is interesting stuff and Mike was a clever guy and successful bodybuilder.
I don't know enough to comment on the figures given here, but in principle he's right that some people wanting to grow muscle get caught up in consuming enormous amounts of protein, far more than is actually required.
MM also broke away from the belief that to be a successful pro it was necessary to train daily for 4, 5 or 6 hours per day. Instead he trained 3-4x per week for 30 mins or so per session, totalling around a couple of hours per week. He developed a 'high intensity' system.
Very sad that MM and his bro Ray died young from organ failure, almost certainly steroid related.
Thanks for your post!
Wow that's incredible only 3x per week...idk what I'd do for 2 hours each time, but maybe he rested a lot or hit each muscle at every angle...
Mike Mentzer died after his long term use of meth. He took meth because it made him more productive.
Mike Mentzer only worked out 2-3 hours per week, not 2 hours per session.
@@Tiago_Ogden I don't question that MM took Methamphetamine. He probably took a number of other substances too. We will never know the full list, quantities or duration.
Mike was such an admirable person, especially his inner side, the outer was just the result.
If you are associated with Weider then you need enough protein for 3 large men. Mike had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel when he gave scientific-based advice. Fortunately, as a physics professor, I have never been afraid to give folks the facts and Mike was the same way. I heard him give this advice in early 1979 at Syracuse Bodybuilding (Liverpool, NY) during his seminar. One of the listeners was a tall, skinny 16-year-old hoping to learn from the master. Now the 16-year-old will be 60 in 2022 and still talking about that seminar in 1979. RIP the master (not the Master Blaster - Joe Weider).
There was nothing but the business with Weiders - the sale of supplements, protein powder brought in a lot of money. Today isn't much better, in fact, it's even worse. Anyone who was lifting weights (naturally) all their lives would know Mentzer was more right than wrong with his exercise and nutrition advice.
@emmy lite One foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel is the same as saying you've got two strikes against you before you reach the plate. In other words, it is difficult if not impossible to educate the stupid.
@emmy lite As a physics professor, I'm always prepared to face the lite-headed.
@emmy lite Arthur Jones would have been voted off the Island every time he had something to say. The days of critical thinking may be over, but like the Phoenix they may rise from the ashes...when the UFOs land.
@emmy lite This is because 99.99% of the public do not understand how science works. All scientific theories must be falsifiable. Perhaps you should reflect on that for a while or at least find out what it means for yourself. There is more, but like the saying goes: Correct the wise man never the fool.
This makes sense. You look at long-term prison inmates getting monstrous, while having access to far less protein than the average person.
I like videos like this because it reminds me of Ric Drasin! He has a channel still up, filled with golden age stuff like this. I appreciate the old school simplified information like Mike here says.
I love Ric and his show is great. Very informative and entertaining, mostly because of Ric’s incredible personality. I was honestly very sad, when he died a couple years ago.
Makes a lot of sense, however we were also talking about a man who clearly was using outside substances in order to obtain/maintain The muscle size that he had. No way you’re doing that with minimal amounts of protein. Let’s get real here for a second. However I can definitely vouch that sometimes even eating 1 g per pound a day for me can feel a bit much.
Im trying my best to eat 1gr per pound, I don’t usually get there, more like half that, but I still can see growth
@@itsoktobedummythicc8996 same here, I’m at around 185-200 grams per day, about 60/70 gram of fat and around 100 grams of carbs..refers couple of time a a week..I’m 46 5ft 6 and 201lbs..dropped 17 lbs and body composition has changed very well so far..strength has gone up…most of my calories are from m protein even if I do t need it..if I adventure any other way my body is a mess
Ikr, as long as you’re not feeling hungry and you are avoiding any kind of sweet treats, probably can get away with half. But hey, I guess if you are using steroids, then yes, I guess it does make sense to take 1g protein per lb. I mean steroids can really make you grow faster….
Most men are soy boys today, so I recommend 1/4 g per pound
From what I've read you need 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight to maintain your current muscle mass and 1 gram of protein per pound of lean muscle mass, emphasis on lean. Ofcourse the only way to know that accurately is if you were to do a DEXA scan, but you can roughly do the math by figuring out your BMI and working it out
Is it per pound bodyweight or fat free mass index? I've heard arguments on both?
I love listening to Mike Mentzer for motivation but I know 1 set per exercise and 1 body part once every week isn't right for me. Especially as I am just starting to get back into it seriously after not doing any lifting for a few years. Thanks for the videos and keeping this stuff alive. And I do plan on buying some t shirts, a hoodie, and maybe the coffee mug. All the best until my next comment. Cheers!
I have injured myself 3 times from overtraining. I’m planning on using Mike’s one set program when I’m done rehabbing my most recent injury. I have to find a new approach, because 12-20 sets per week to failure is not working for me, only hurting me.
@@boblangford5514 How many calories are you eating a day and how much do you weigh?
@@sincitycapital I am 5’9”. I lost about 50 pounds in 2021, mostly from swimming and eating healthy, no lifting weights. I decided to start lifting weights at the beginning of 2022. When I injured myself the first time, at the beginning of 2022, I weighed 160 pounds. My caloric maintenance is about 2400 per day. I was eating about 1900 calories per day then because I still wanted to lose about 10 more pounds. I was at about 17% body fat, and I wanted to get under 15% before starting a bulk. I hurt my back in mid February. I began to have constant tightness in my lats, and if I was on my feet for a long period of time, I’d have dull pain in my shoulder blades. But I tried to push through it - big mistake. It got really bad in mid-May. Half of my back was numb at one point. I went to physical therapy, but it didn’t help. I stopped lifting weights completely, and then started feeling better, slowly but surely. It is much better now, but still a problem I deal with every now and then.
At the beginning of 2023, I weighed 148 pounds, and with my back feeling okay, I wanted to start a bulk. I began eating 2700 calories per day and resumed lifting weights. After a month, I hurt my inner quad from squatting. I worked with a trainer to fix it, and switched from squats to walking lunges, as this exercise caused no pain. 3 months later, I got tennis elbow from lifting too heavy/frequent on bicep curls. I’m currently doing exercises to rehab the tennis elbow, slowly, VERY slowly getting back to where I was. When my elbow is strong enough (it’s much better now than it was in June, at its worst), I plan on implementing Mike’s plan of one set to failure, lifting only ever 3-4 days. It’s worth a shot since my 39 year-old body can’t seem to handle lifting weights like modern day trainers say you’re supposed to.
@@boblangford5514 I would recommend not doing dead lifts or squats. Just do machines most of the time. In the opposite where I'm always trying to lean up and lose weight so my main focus is cardio then a little lifting to gain muscle mass and lose fat at the same time. I'm just getting back into it after a couple years of not going to the gym regularly. I'm 33 now and when I was 22 I lost 40 pounds in 2 months. Seems to be harder and slower progress so I feel your pain as a 30 something year old already feeling the age a little! I've also cleaned up my diet trying to avoid fried foods and sugar as much as possible.
I’m a bit reluctant to take advice from men on roids, but this would explain why men in the past (from antiquity through Middle Ages to industrial era) could develop muscular physiques even though they had usually had less access to protein, especially meat.
I agree with you entirely. Steroids are fake Testosterone. So we are looking at a body that is unable to naturally produce enough Testosterone to achieve that muscularity. What is the point of talking about truth when deception is used to get those results. Only a body that produces enough testosterone naturally can achieve that type of muscularity. The real truth is you don’t have to eat any special food if you have enough carbon in your body - the Male body will naturally produce enough for effortless muscle. Melanin is not a colour it’s the vital ingredient for optimal human function. So his body is fake and he is telling the truth about nutrition but not saying, ‘Guys this body is impossible for me to achieve naturally but breed sensibly and put melanin/carbon back into your bloodline and make future big men who thrive and grow in the sun. I wanted more curves all my life but genetics said no. The best I could do was breed sensibly - mate with a family of curvy females. The result- a curvy goddess. You can’t change your genetics only your bloodline.
people back then had more free time, better diets. its ironic but true
@@conandoyle1740 only the rich usually had more free time. And the rich today have often have just as much free time. They did eat more organic food, and fewer calories that’s true, but usually had less access to meat than we do today. Once we stopped being hunter-gatherers, we ate less meat. The exceptions were nomadic peoples like the Mongols, but they kept much of the hunter-gatherer way of life and ate almost exclusively meat.
@@jordangill2710 which era you talking about ?
in general we had a better diet than most people today , all the way from the stone ages till the Roman Empire, even in medieval times people ate a lot of fish and meat.
just about when the industrialization hit and inflation was so rising, world wars started. people at that point had less meat.
My father was born 1952 they didnt have much to eat back then in Germany.
Processed foods are generally the culprit of many new disease, as well as chemicals and allergens.
steroids make your muscles grow faster and a bit more than natural size. If you follow HIT even without steroids, you would not have a mr olympia body but you would reach your maximum size easily.
Thank you for sharing Mentzer nuggets. The man knew so much...
You’re welcome, Drake!
Thank you for this John Little. I really enjoy listening to this man speak and learning more truths than hype.
I certainly do not have the genetics to build an inordinate amount of muscle, but there are still big benefits to training with weights and learning of the realistic benefits of good nutrition as well.
Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Hi Robert. I'm glad you found the video of interest. Thanks for your post.
Robert, try stacking 400mg of test enanthate and 100mg of trenbalone acetate a week with a kick-starter of 40mg of dianabol per day. You will transform into Robbosaurus - the monstrous beast from the youtube comment section crypt.
Don't let your genetics dictate your life, anyone can build a very impressive physique given enough time and dedication.
Never give up hope! I had a friend who was on the shorter side and had a relatively skinny-ish physique. He dedicated himself to getting stronger and never skips a gym day. His physique now is almost unrecognizable compared to how he used to be.
It's all about dedication! Us humans were built to adapt and evolve, you can do it too!
Then fight a shark, I'm sure you'll find the genetics of your God ancestry deep down in your memory somewhere. Its not about if you have the genetics to do something it's if you have the genetics to be the first in your ancestry to do it. Genetics don't work, they think. We've been told genetics just work and we think, but it's genes think and work, or work and think. This is why some people have a contagious attitude about something, your genetics are either working (which usually means thriving in some environment toxic or clean) or thinking (contributing or deriving).
the moral of the story is just eat a balanced diet and be in a slight calorie surplus (honestly the easiest way to do this is just to overshoot by a few hundred even)
granted, you should still make sure you eat proteins, some is lost to burn energy, some is not absorbed, most is used in maintenance of the muscles and other biological processes, etc.
No, you dont need to count any calories to be better. Just intermittent fast, eat less carb and less sugar, more healthy fat, more real salt and just stop eating before you get full. Just imagine how many people do count calories 1000 years ago. No one
He was on steroids as well
After decades of natural bodybuilding, I've come to the conclusion that you don't actually need large amounts of protein. My attempts to get 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight just made my waistline grow. No improvement in muscle girth or strength. Now I eat no more than two meals a day, my waistline is shrinking, my strength and muscle girth remains the same.
How much protein are you consuming currently mate?
@@RGY33 About 75-100 grams/day
@@williamdejeffrio9701 ah ok do you mind telling me what food you get it from?
And are you putting on muscle at that amount of protein
@@RGY33 Boneless/skinless chicken breast, salmon and whey protein powder as the primary protein source, with addition of vegetables and complex carbs
I had a gastric sleeve surgery and lost 86 kg (190 lbs). Working out for around 2 years and mean time I have only eat around 30g protein per day(I am currently 88kg) And still made consisten volume and strenght gains even more than my brother who started working out with me.
Hope you’re doing good bro
How did you gain muscle mass with only 30gm of protein?
@@atharvapatil2501 dont know i am curious too
@@atharvapatil2501 Lol he didn't. 30g is not nearly enough, that's the protein intake of an 8 year old child.
I love this man!!! Ths truth is so powerful, and he just spoke it because thats all he knew!!!
I'm 57 lifting weights for years 6 foot 3 270 pounds. My best weight is 245. I track my protien intake and most days I'm getting 120 grams or less. People are always telling me how I look really good for my age. I'm not a huge eater and i dont each much meat at all i actually force myself to eat meat. I have to do a protien shake almost everyday just to get over 100 grams. I still hold a ton of muscle. Most people think i look 220 pounds. I wear 38 waist pants. I'm 25 pounds over weight do to my height i hide it well. Protien can be extremely toxic to your kidneys. I could never eat 270 grams of protien a day. I've never been a big eater. People look at me and think I'm a huge meat and potato guy but I'm not. I love fruits vegtables and nuts. I do eat way to many carbs. People think of some of the biggest animals on this planet and most muscular. Horse, bull,elephant and the list goes on many are only eating grass. I think for some people genetics plays a huge role. Jmho
Thanks for your post, John.
Try eating grass and see how that works out for you
Try eating grass and see how that works out for you
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what Mike is saying here and what actually works for natural body builders. It was never supposed to be 1 gram/ pound of bodyweight, it's 1gram/ Kg Bodyweight, and for an average lifter that should be more than enough. If you're trying to actually gain size and mass, protein shakes are great for muscle recovery, they absorb fast and allow your body to restore glucose asap. If you're a veteran lifter or body builder, BCCA's (Branch Chain Amino Acids) are extremely helpful in recovery and again absorption. If you are just an average lifter, you don't need these protein supplements as much; everyone's different so find out what works for you.
Miscalculation here. 22% of muscle is protein, but not all of muscle is metabolically active, nor yields calories. The amount is still not massive, but accounts for more than half the calorie content of muscle.
12% of maintenance intake is ideal for protein. Much more than that will result in gluconeogenesis, with harmful side products for the body to attempt to cope with.
Also, eating little and often is terrible advice. It is when we don't eat that our insulin levels are enabled to subside, facilitating the optimal use of glycogen and fat reserves for energy.
Hyperinsulinaemia from frequently elevated insulin levels is the forerunner for insulin-resistance; the root cause of most chronic ill-health conditions.
@@Starbreaker2012 Finally someone mentioning gluconeogenisis
@@Starbreaker2012 Could you explain why 12% of maintenance is ideal, and whether that also counts for bodybuilders? I'm willing to follow this guideline but I need to understand the underlying principle to become a believer :).
@@eustacebagge3869 The ideal protein intake is measurable by determining the nitrogen balance. From this the RI for the UK was established to be 50g per day, which would be the peak of a bell curve being adequate for 50% of the population. A bodybuilder will require more, depending on their size.
Mike showed that an extra 20lbs of lean muscle per year was only 32 kcal per day, of which less than an ounce would be protein.
Some people would be quite willing to jeopardise their health for a title. However, it isn't beneficial to have more protein than is necessary. Fasting for instance initiates autophagy, where the body will scavenge damaged cells and re-synthesise the protein.
The pitfalls of excess protein go well beyond too many calories. When metabolised, the side-products from protein include urea and ammonia for the body to attempt to cope with. Protein also stimulates mTor, potentially leaving the body susceptible to cancer, uncontrolled growth, rather than the controlled growth elicited from high-intensity exercise stimulation.
@@Starbreaker2012 I thank you so much!
Protein powder and amino acids were originally used on hospital patients with compromised digestion.
If your carbs are too low, your body will turn protein into glucose (gluconeogenesis)..
Which means that your body will be slower because this is a slower process, and less efficient because it’s extremely inefficient as a carb source.
So here's the math I did based on Mike's theory
Since 25% of calories should come from protien and you need 1 gram above maintence level and 1 gram of protien is 4 calories approx.
Thus
Protien a day=[( 0.25 x maintence calories )/4 ] + 1
Comes out to be around 160g of protien for me ..sounds fair
Coach Greg loves this!!
My simple explanation of protein intake and muscle growth:
- When you do a strength training session you actually cause tiny tears in your muscle fibres ("micro-tears")
- Your body wants to repair these tears and then make them stronger to avoid such tears in the future (this is muscle-building in essence)
- It needs protein to do so
- It would take a certain amount of protein to repair all of these tears
- If you had less than that amount of protein, you will still build muscle (even in caloric deficit) as the body would repair as many tears as it can
- The more protein you have above this "lesser amount of protein", the more muscle you will build as there is more protein available to repair more tears
- At a certain point, if you had more protein than the max, you would have surplus protein that would not aide muscle growth at all, as there would be no more tears to repair
- This excess protein would likely be converted into fat
So for certain people in certain scenarios, having more protein would lead to more muscle growth. But there is a cut-off point, a maximum amount of protein for your tear-repairing requirements. In short, protein PERMITS the building of muscle, it doesn't provoke the building of muscle itself.
How much protein should I have? This depends on many factors: how hard do you train in the gym, how heavy do you lift, what is the quality of the protein that you are eating (its amino acid profile - is it leucine-rich, i.e. the amino acid most involved in muscle building), and other such factors. There is no objective amount as there are many variables, but there are a lot of studies and data out there now that look into various (Bodyweight OR Lean Body Mass x Protein) multipliers and how effective they are.
If you really want to find out for yourself, then you need to start tracking all of your own personal data, the main metric being your LBM (bodyweight minus bodyfat). This is the only way you can find out how much muscle you are putting on from month to month. You can't expect somebody to give you the answer as there are way too many variables - many of which I haven't even mentioned here - so experiment with different multipliers and see how it goes. There likely will be other factors that mean you may not want to take the amount of protein required for maximum growth as maybe that amount of protein intake for your kind of diet is just too much for you, as one example.
Thanks for your post.
Informative, thank you.
Such a complete explanation..
I'm from New York, I get a dozen of eggs for 2 dollars, jumbo 250, the pound of red meat is 399, the chicken breast sliced anyway the butcher does it, the same for red meat and removes all fat, lean pork is 250 a pound, a bag of large shrimps is 13 dollars , oatmeal is cheap, diet sugar is cheap, we have dollar stores , I can go on forever, here with the price of two 5 pound canisters of protein I can basically eat for a month like a king, and not get fat, egg whites are great
you do need protein to build muscle, you probably don't need as much protein as you think you do
it's a supplement, if you eat enough protein rich foods in your normal diet you don't need the powder
what i would use it for is for a cut
it's a good way to get protein in without getting a lot of calories
Imagine consuming 200 g of protein every single day😂😂
I've been able to go from 200lbs to 250lbs on less protein than they say with the 1.5-2 grams per pound of bodyweight.
Imo protein helps you recover from your workouts faster ABSOLUTELY, but protein itself won't make the muscle grow.
There's ONLY so much recovering that your body can do by itself at any given time & that's what you're going to get out of your genetics with that.
That's why you CAN'T simply take more protein & your muscles will get bigger from that alone.
That's why when you take anabolics your muscles grow at a faster rate. You've upped your recovery time. You can use more protein to recover faster which speeds up the muscle building process.
Thanks for your post.
I've always had protein shakes , always bought protein powder it was a must , but I didn't know any better until recently , after 3 months of trainer without a single protein powder shake I must say my gym goals has been accomplished and I feel and look the best I've ever did , all my protein comes from food, I take a huge protein number per day 224 grams per day .
You have to be trolling 😂
224 grams per day? Are you like 300 pound man?
@@jinfin221 224 is not a lot. 1g per 1lb bodyweight
Mike was truly a blessing from GOD, I truly believe god give people knowledge like this for them to help us become better versions of our self, everyting good comes from the lord so Mike was a true Angel from the lord 🙏🏽
This is understandable and factual only 16 calories extra are needed to build 10 pounds of a year. Thanks for the video
You're welcome!
Except that it is a complete BS 😀
16 calories is 4 grams of protein. Multiply by 365 equals 3.212 pounds. So even if dietary protein to muscle mass is converted at 100% efficiency(which it's nowhere close to being) that's still way less than ten pounds.
@@neiljohnson7914 The 10 lbs of muscle is water plus 4 grams of protein beyond maintenance .The efficiency conversion of dietary protein, I have to agree with you there, 100% is not possible.
@@neiljohnson7914 your math appears way off. 3212 POUNDS??? 4g x 365 days = 1460 g's. 454 g's in 1 lb, so 1460/454 = 3.21 lbs. However your end result in that it's "still way less than ten pounds" is certainly correct, as it's only 3.21 pounds. I remember Mike writing an article on this same exact topic in Muscle Builder mag back in the late 70's, and even as a teen, I sensed the mistake in logic he used. Again, and as you mentioned, that's even assuming every gram of protein is used solelyfor muscle building purposes, which it's not, so it would even be less than 3.21 lbs. RIP MIke, but you should have stuck to HIT. not nutritional advice.
So if you are cutting extra protein does help retain muscle. Also eating protein (not drinking shakes) helps you feel full for longer. Eating 40% of your calories in protein isn't necessary to gain more muscle, but it does help you eat less calories vs ingesting more carbs and fat.
I do use protein powder as a meal replacement (easy breakfast smoothie), but I don't have much. One shake a day if i don't have time for a good breakfast.
I do tend to go for high protein snacks as they keep you full.
I do the same. I drink unflavored protein added milk in the breakfast. it does hold my hunger a good while. Its a definitely good way to keep calories down and burn fat.
@@Jatjr that’s not at all what I said. You have to eat it.
I weigh about 165lbs as of now. I consume a minimum of 130g of protein a day. I get it from mostly natural sources, but if I'm in a pinch I use protein powder for convenience.
I'm exactly the same as you for weight and protein intake. I do 45 minutes of cardio everyday and I am a professional Entertainer we dance in the show so I got some extra there. I keep my Cal said about 2,600 a day and stay pretty lean alive year. I've trained weights with high focus for 35 minutes three times a week. I am a longtime gym rat and used to do five or six days a week so I have a good bass but I can maintain a pretty darn good physique with this program. Keep up the good work out there!
@john-carlos ynostroza bro, it's been 9 months, I'm 190 now 😩, and yeah, im strong as shit but lean isn't a factor anymore.
@@westernspy517 Get on the grind again, discipline yourself as you previously did and get down to 170. I got too comfortable in my skin after a massive weight loss and put on a solid 20-25 lbs of fat in (about) a year. Stop it before it spins out of control and you touch 200+.
@SNAK appreciate that, bud.
LEGEND 🏆
This man was on fricking steroids. That changes protein utilization, decreases protein breakdown, and improves anabolism. I got bigger after years of training from going from .7 g/lb to 1-1.3 grams a lb. currently doing 1-1. 1 g a day. Natty ofc
Shut up dude
Protein is healthy, and there's really not much harm is eating a lot, even more than what is needed, since it's good for metabolism, weight management and body composition, etc... but wouldn't you get bigger from years of training by virtue of training for years?
Ofc they are on steroids. Protein is important but wont get you bog muscles. Testo will.
@George Prince Not really. There are outliers that grow with significantly less volume than many others. A few great examples would be this man, Dorian Yates, Jordan Peters, and many others. I follow a style of training similar to Mike Isreteal, which means really focusing on your training volumes and their landmarks, and after years of training I still have found my best results are less than what he recommends for MEV, for the most part. For instance, I have 2 leg workouts a week. Across both, my quads have a total starting volume of two sets a week and progress up to six before I need a deload. It’s all subjective, and those that actually read the studies, not the headlines of the studies, already recognize this.
Most research today finds no benefits over 0.64g/lb. All beyond that is added for "safety", or whatever. Still no sense of going beyond 0.82g/lb safety margin included.
Makes sense, The problem is healthy eating people think they need all this extra stuff, It's a supplement though, Only really useful for people with eating disorders or food allergies.
It's the same with vitamin and mineral supplements, People take them despite most having a healthy diet, Only uselful for people who don't get all the nutrients needed from their diet.
Often wondered why despite working out for hours lifting weights and even doing cardio as well on exercise bike I was still getting fat, Most likely culprit is all that extra protein from the shake seeing as my food intake didn't really change.
One of the very few top bb you will ever get the truth from. From my own experience I know he's right about protein. It just takes years of lifting to build muscle after the initial easy fast growth period. Or vita S of course. And hone your routine to best suit your body. The smart ones learn the tricks. The dumb one not so much :(
Very true. Thanks for your post.
we are over eating/consuming in every aspect these days. and our receptors got numb. Thing is our absorbtion of nutrient went down, but also % of quality nutrient in foods went down dramaticly in past 3-4 decades.
I wonder what would Mike say about fasting and not eating at all for couple days to clean up system and do some kind of reset before going into proper nutrition.
I really enjoyed this, just finding this channel...However, I am consuming about 175-200 grams of protein daily, trying to do a recomp; and it's working--fat decreasing, muscle mass increasing...I'm not saying this guy's wrong, but I just know what's actually working for me at this time.
Yeah you don't need that much at all...
The literature proves, in this regard, he was wrong
@@jamessethmoore …but he wasn’t?
If course that much protein will work there are so many ways to skin a cat for me my digestive system can’t handle that much protein depends on what your goals are, I always want to be big and strong so my carbs are always on the high side to stay full with limited protein and that works for me
@@kickstand9952 maybe OP is just a bigger dude so on average he needs more protein than a smaller lifter
I feel like this was a very elementary discussion but it makes total sense
smart man and 100% correct.... listen up
A pound of Muscle may provide 600 calories of energy when broken down but that does not automatically mean that it only requires 600 calories to build a pound of muscle. In fact the latest science shows that it take about 2,800 calories to build one pound of muscle. Muscle is not the only tissue in the body that requires protein. Even bones require protein. So you can’t say that you only need to provide protein for muscle only. This is why Dr. Brad Schoenfeld among others recommend the 0.8 to 1.0 grams of protein per pound of body weight. However, whey protein is actually not the best source because it digests fast and contrary to popular belief the anabolic window lasts about 48 hours not 2 hours. So you don’t need to drink a protein shake within 2 hours of workout.
These are priceless … thanks for posting John!
Glad you like them. You're welcome.
John, turns out that David Landau from Florida has the greatest collection of AJ on film/DVD; I bought a whole set from him.
@@chocolatier9597 Yes, I know David is quite the collector.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE I can’t wait to watch the footages of AJ … but first I need to get a DVD player 🤣
Mike Mentzer was an intellect and he adopted a logical, rational approach to bodybuilding and so did Dorian Yates, but we must give credit to the genius, Arthur Jones, for his principles and inventions. He passed on the torch to Mike and then Mike handed off the torch to Dorian.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE by the way, I heard you say in an interview that you have rare footages of Ayn Rand; are they available online? If so, can you please send me the link?
Many thanks!
Proteins are the building blocks to muscle. Also consider proteins as the most thermogenic of all macro nutrients. One needs to eat just enough protein to support their lean muscle tissue, but more doesn't hurt especially if trying to gain more muscle. A balanced macro formula is the only approach that will prove correct when paired with a person's daily activity. One may need more carbohydrates and protein if they exercise daily like an athlete. One will need less carbohydrates, on days off especially, but will always benefit from keeping their protein levels the same every single day. Fat consumption never needs to be very high. Everybody is different so it all depends on your daily calorie maintenance requirements and your goals. If someone is already lean they're going to need more protein and more carbohydrates to gain. If somone is overweight or obese they need a massive strategic reduction in carbs and fat, but will probably not need to reduce protein intake usually because that's not the macto nutrient they're over consuming. It's not very hard to figure out if you're in tune with your body.
He was ahead of his time. It's funny, the fitness industry and the supplement industry still believe that protein myth. It's ridiculous.
Agreed. Thanks for your post, Andrew.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE but can andrew or you tell me please 🥺 how much protine I should eat 1lb of body weight !?
Interesting. However, he didn't mention the thermic effect of protein. From my understanding, isn't 35% of protein consumed expended as energy through the metabolic process?
I have been trying to tell so many people its all about calories at the end of the day. You can lose weight eating what ever you want the key is not to eat to much of it. Keep the thought process simple people !
How much protien do we really need according to this video ? Sorry I didn't have patience to wait till end
@@prateekkantrai protien is overrated to! atleast .5 per pound. Thats minimum!
5head do a 1500 kcal sugar diet than
@@adrenoid9570 most would lose wieght. We are talkimg about losing wieght not long term health. That would be unhealthy for sure but agin most would still lose wieght. So what was your point?
Really appreciate these videos man! Thank you 🙏
I weigh 180 lbs and anything over 100g of protein a day is enough.
I used to consume 180grams and it made no noticeable difference in strength or size.
Same here. Been there done that. Only thing that matters is enough calories and hard + smart training. Maybe enough rest. That´s all you can do as a natty.
@@Schaufelor I'm now 170lbs and I have been eating even less protein and I'm still gaining strength lol
Yeah bc you do almost 2g/kg bw so its enough. More wont give you strenght or volume.
The calorie in the future will not have the same relevance as it does today. In the same way that fibrous carbs are useless for providing energy, the differing biological processes that occur within the body as a result of consuming fat, protein, or carbohydrates will completely undermine the entire modern philosophy. The carnivores are exemplifying this today. Mike Mentzer was indeed far ahead of his time, however the limited understanding in the scientific literature at the time, will prove to be a limiting factor in his own methodology. I wish he was around today to improve on his lectures and share his brilliant way of thinking about the evolution of the science of nutrition.
While I appreciate your position, I’m not sure that the science underpinning Mike’s conclusions has been displaced. The insulin-hypothesis remains just that at present, at least with regard to obesity and fat loss. Most studies in support of this last, perhaps, six months, but when the studies are extended to over a year, the hypothesis isn’t so strong. Indeed, in an article published in Endocrine Reviews, Volume 38, Issue 4, 1 August 2017 (Pages 267-296) the seven authors concluded: “Growing evidence suggests that (for practical purposes) the answer to the question, “Is a calorie a calorie?” is “yes.” Calories derived from different dietary constituents (fats, carbohydrates, and proteins) do not differ significantly in their inherent capacity to promote weight gain by affecting energy expenditure or nutrient partitioning, so long as total calorie intake is held constant. From this we infer that the effects of diet composition per se on metabolic variables suggested to contribute to obesity pathogenesis (e.g., those related to plasma levels of glucose, insulin, or free fatty acids; inherent differences in the propensity of adipocytes to store fat; or the gut microbiome) do not play a clinically significant causal role unless they promote increased calorie intake . The therapeutic potential of interventions primarily targeting these metabolic processes per se, therefore, seems limited.” This was published 16 years after Mike had passed away, so the science in support of Mike’s position has not been knocked from its throne by any means.
I was 18, didnt know a thing about the gym. I used to eat one scoop of protein watered down. I wouldn't eat after the gym. I would eat a peice of chicken at work, and a cup of yogurt.
I was actually in super good shape. I trained like an animal. I think the difference now is, i overeat, and my body is always tired from digesting the heavy amounts of food
It could be the heavy amounts of Mescallin.
There is a area of Italy where the people are unusually healthy and live long and one of them said we really shouldn't eat more than 50g of protein day. That got me wondering. Some people teach to eat 200g or more.
And they die at 40 yrs old
@@xcalibur4376 It's shocking to see bodybuilders who are CLEARLY abusing steroids and other illegal substances, die from heart failure in their 30s/40s and then STILL have people follow their teachings after their deaths. Humans seem like the slowest learners on Earth.
Supplement companies do not like this guy
Shame there was no video footage of him speaking about this as he explains it
Alright, can someone explain that to me like you would to a 5 year old?
Eat a little more chicken and get big
Heavy Duty Mike Mentzer was a rare genius who was also articulate, strong and muscular.
Mentzer in my humble opinion the best physic of all bodybuilders. Taken well to soon. R.I.P.
Man stop
You can get all your protein from food no shakes needed unless your not eating a lot
What never ever made ANY sense to me whatsoever in regards to gaining muscle mass and becoming stronger is; If you need to eat 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight as the 'ftiness gurus' and the fitness industry says you do, then my question is; How in the world did men in ancient Sparta or anywhere else in the world before the 20th century become so strong, muscular AND seriously big some of them by eating minuscule amounts of food!?? How? Somebody is full of shit here. Did spartan soldiers eat chicken breast, potatoes, rice, broccoli every single day at least 3 times per day? I think not.
They ate some sort of stew, and they were lucky if they even got that! This whole 'professional' fitness advice is a whole bunch of nonsense, it makes no sense and it dosent reflect reality at all.
Simply take a look at the statues the ancient greeks and romans made of their gladiators or athletes. They most certainly dont look skinny and famished, quite the opposite; They are basically ripped and muscular. The artist was looking at a real person while making the sculpture.
Sun. Sun hitting balls.
To be fair - ancient warriors were most likely a lot leaner and not the massive size of the big bodybuilders we see today, and they likely had much higher natural testosterone levels (due to diet, the environment, their lifestyles, etc) that made it easier to get big and strong without the optimized nutrition and exercise regiments we have today. That being said, you're totally right. Maybe those ancients we here about like Hercules or Goliath were the exceptions, but you can read historical accounts and those massive armies certainly weren't feeding every soldier a pound of meat every day. You can go to a museum and see the statues they made of the greatest warriors and athletes and see what the human body is capable of even when it isn't downing protein shakes from GNC, lol
hahaha. welcome to planet earth.
@@balla2828 no
I’m 46 male. I’m training a PPL and avid swimmer. I’m intrigued by Heavy Duty, but read that it’s not really suitable for naturals. Many other seemingly reliable methods like Renaissance Periodization also promote higher volumes and frequencies. It’s very confusing.
The people who say that Heavy Duty is not really suitable for naturals are people that are typically promoting an alternative system. Nevertheless, as Mike said, if what he recommends does not appeal to your reason and common sense then it is worth nothing in the long run.
How much protein is needed for maintenance? That is one question that is never answered...
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Mike was way ahead of his time.
This assumes that your body would be able to perfectly utilize the protein / calories which I’m not convinced is the case. I don’t think you can put on 10 pounds of muscle in a year with only a 16 calorie surplus
Yeah, plus you would have to know the exact amount of calorie expenditure every day which will change day by day. 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight, unless real fat has always seemed to be a pretty good way to maximize protein without too much hassle. Then a good amount of fats and enough carbs to fuel your workouts.
obviously, it didn't work for Mike Mentzer...
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 I guarantee you he was eating in over a 16 calories a day surplus. You can’t even track your calories to that degree of accuracy
Per Mike 60 % Carbs 25 % Protein 15 % Fat is the optimal balanced diet for any individual.
I'm just back training after 3 months of junk and alcohol I'm taken only 100 grams of protein with creatine I'm getting good gains
How much did you weigh at that time?
Another problem is that he doesn't address the additional protein required to maintain extra muscle.
You're right; you should spend hundreds of dollars a month on protein supplements, just like the people who sell protein products recommend.
I shop at Whole Foods Tampa and have friends who work there. We all note that no one ever ever ever buys enough protein to hit the "one gram per pound" goal.
If you all saw what bodybulders, WWE stars, and NFL players are buying, no one is eating nearly as much protein as we lead to believe.
so they also shop for their protein powders at whole foods. And they shop at no other food stores?
@@neiljohnson7914 They pretty much shop at Whole Foods and Rollin' Oats. Maybe they go to Walmart just for fun and they go to Whole Foods just to been seen. Right. Truth is when you see what they buy it's never the quanityt you'd think
@@neiljohnson7914 For example a 1 pound brick of ground beef or chicken is about 85 grams of protein. So these bodybuilders, NFL players, and WWE Superstars should be buying a lot of protein even if they are doing scoops of whey at home. It just does not add up when you really see what they buy. Sure I have no idea how many they are buying for. One guy has a wife a kids. Still I've never seen any indication they load up on protein in th 1 gram per pound range.
@@keithbarbaro7590 but I will repeat my question. Where do they buy their protein powders? You can easily add an extra 100 gams of protein per day from a protein powder
@@neiljohnson7914 I agree. They would have to be scooping about 5 scoops daily and still eating 1 pound of ground daily and even that is 180 grams of protein.
What people don’t forget is the protein sparing cycle of carbs. If you go into the wilderness areas of India and Fiji where people have died a lot of root vegetables, you’ll see a lot of fit and muscular people
Not BB muscular though. Anybody can get "muscular" just by exercising all day and not eating much like most tribal groups.
That's because they live that way since children. And they aren't "big" or not as "big" as they would be if they ate sufficient amounts of protein and calories, with weight training
I've rarely reached my bodyweight in protein, and I'm making gains all the time.
How is it turning out for you so far? What is your height and weight if you don't mind me asking? Just genuinely curious.
@@omegaboostZ 5'8 currently 202lbs. I try aim to match my bodyweight in protein, but typically only get 140-150 a day because i'm busy, but I've not noticed any slow down in gains from that. I have heard that 0.7 per lb of bodyweight is enough
@@homelander7506 Not hard to get jacked when compound V is running through your veins.
@@rachitdang7453 :D or Tren A
@@homelander7506 :D.
Great minds and a great body. Mike was a true innovator. Of course nutritional science has moved ahead so don’t take what he says in this video to literally.
I started drinking ten gallons of water a day... in 6 months my bench press went from 195 to 315
😂😂😂😂😂
That’s not nearly enough. It is recommended that you consume 1gallon per 1lb of body weight.
@@cambilt1683 thank you for correcting me 🙏
@Constant State Of Flux great job! 👍 I will look for that water power to get me to 405
There are 2 ways to absorb enough protein. I say 'absord' instead of 'consume' because consuming 200grs of protein doesnt guarante that you will absorb all of that amount. Hence, one way to hit your macro is to having as much consumed protein to be bio available as possible. The other way is consuming a lot more protein than how much you need with the hope that even if you dont use all it you wont risk the chance of your body not getting enough protein.
Everyone's body works diffirently so the first way is kind of hard to do since you probably has to do many test to determine the exact amount of protein you need to use under a specific circumstance. Thats why majority of people bulk and cut instead of doing "main gaining".
Bio available, meaning?
@@kevalthakker5532In this case, bio available meaning how much nutrition your body can absorb from what you eat. Example of making protein to be more bio available is eating smaller meals and more frequently or consuming biotin from food or supplement to aid the digestion process. Hope this help!
@@johndoe-to1gm thank you so much, really appreciate your kind response... 😊
@@kevalthakker5532 All good my man! Cheers
these videos are priceless, I feel like Im watching Nova.
What would it be like if Master Mentzer was alive now?
No difference because he fought the establishment. JS