In the scene with the telephone, the lights for all of the lines are lit, indicating that O.B. was calling every hardwired telephone in the TVA in hopes that Loki/Sylvie would be close enough to hear one of them ringing.
When Victor started saying "Time to be brave. Time to be brave," and he wasn't stuttering, I got chills and thought "My goodness they're going to make him into a hero!" And then ..... Wow. Just wow. My jaw was on the floor in shock.
_Especially_ given how much the He Who Remains at "Wipe all their memories" was more like Timely (giving it actual thought & almost seeming to do so regrettably). 👨🏻🍳😙👌🏻
"I really really really like Victor..." That reaction was priceless. Totally worth the price of admission. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. haha!
OB's comments about his model "not being to scale, not finished painting" has GOT to be a reference to Back to the Future (in which Doc Brown frequently made similar comments)
@@JiReyAnimation I'm a huge BTTF fan, and noticed the similarity immediately. Appropriate to use a quote from a timetravel franchise, in a tv-show heavily involving timetravel 🙂
What’s interesting is that the spaghettification that OB warned about which happened to timely so closely resembles what Scarlet Witch did to Reed Richards in Multiverse of Madness. Makes you wonder how they’re connected.
I know they hinted at it, but I just didn’t think they would actually do it. And I’m not even mad. I think it was an awesome effect, it shocked the hell out of me.
This series probably has the most "headcount" of deaths of any MCU (or maybe any??) series or movie, not even close to Dr. Strange's incursion, even Thanos' snap. And this is not just the unseen timelines but even the up and close pruning and now getting "boxed!" Wow! This series is amazing, I might have to marathon run through the Season 1 & 2 to see the continuity! Also I believe Timely or at least that variant, is truly dead. He was "spaghetified," we even saw his rib cage and skull..
Yeah. The closest thing I can think of other than Dr. Strange and this, is Endgame and bringing people back from being snapped out of existence. Mind you, as we seen in Far From Home, people resumed what they were doing at the exact moment. Possibly giving The Avengers (mainly Hulk) one of the largest body counts known to man.
12:30 I can't be the only one who noticed the "Back to the Future" reference by OB when he's talking about his model not being to scale. Too hilarious!
It kinda makes me feel old that none of these (younger) people seem to see BTTF as a cultural touchstone in the same way as I do. I personally thought the reference was VERY obvious - if anything a little too on the nose - and it staggers me that so many people didn’t get it at all! 😮
Did anyone notice that when victor put his head in the machine it made the same sounds/words as in when the president in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy had to use his id to activate the Infinite Probability Drive.
It’s so funny how much so many people in the series are striving to protect “The Sacred Timeline” when it’s sacred for exactly ONE reason, and it was for one very self-serving reason.
They really couldn't have baited us any harder with that ending, oh my gosh. From the music, to the pacing, I was *fully* in and prepared for Victor to have a heroic moment, while potentially inadvertently "splitting" himself. Nope! I *screamed* when that happened hahaha, so good! They never fail to surprise with Loki. Truly some of Marvel's best.
When the group gets "cubed" it occurred to me that just hearing it but not seeing it was truly worse. Your own imagination filled in the blanks and depending on your imagination, how bad it was Mine was pretty grim
As far as Timely's fate is concerned, I'm afraid that looked a lot more like the forewarned 'spaghetification' rather than the Time Slip we've seen before with Loki. That said, I hope they do manage to find a way to keep this version of Timely. I really liked him!
Interesting that was brought up in reference of black holes, unsure how they work irl but maybe what happens at the end is adapted from how travelling through a blackhole would do.
@@Aussie27Legend Some scientists theorize that black holes just spit the material out into another, new, fresh universe. For all we know dude got spaghettified, and is totally fine in some other Multiverse haha.
@@Aussie27Legend A black hole isn't a passage way, they are objects. You can no more travel through a black hole than you could travel through a planet, actually, less so since anything that passes a black hole's event horizon becomes part of the black hole for all eternity (well, until the black hole evaporates, but then it just comes back out as undifferentiated energy, not whatever it was when it went in). Spaghettification is caused by tidal forces which are when part of an object experiences greater gravity than another part. Tidal forces are, as the name suggests, what causes tides in the ocean and what causes one side of the moon to always face Earth (the near side of the Moon is closer to the Earth is heavier than the far side because it's closer and, therefore, experiences more gravity). Near a black hole, though, the tidal forces are so enormous, even on the scale of a person, that the part closer to the black hole will be pulled away from the farther part, stretching it out.
@@qrowingby “scientists” you meant “movie writers”, im sure. Hawkings radiation says absolutely nothing about random stuff just coming out of a black holes butt hole nor has it been theorized by anyone in the scientific community…
you know, from OB's perspective, everyone's gonna die *right this instant* I mean, he's a bejillion years old.... "death in the next two hours" might as well be "right this instant"
In the mass murder scene, there is no reason to pan over because a person's imagination will provide a more gruesome outcome than anything that the set crew could provide. Thanks, Alfred Hitchcock.
IDK what the last two episodes hold, but I will say this: episode 4 of season one had us thinking Loki and Mobius were dead, and they weren't. I'm pretty sure we're going through the same thing now, only without the post credit scene that let us know Loki was alive. Having said that, when it comes to Victor Timely, I got nothing. No theories. No ideas. Looks like he met an untimely death. See what I did there?
Victor ded, Renslayer is clearly not dead (people have bad memories) just sent to... forgot the name but where Alioth is and I imagine the main crew is now scattered across time, I... hope sylvie still has that super-TemPad.
Another great episode and so completely unexpected what a gut punch, i cant wait to see next weeks reboot of the universe... i guess lol or is it a reboot of the TVA im not quite sure ahh, the series is so so good, thanks for the reaction.
I feel like this is kinda of similar to Adventure Time’s lich where Victor Timely got split into every universe/dimension. I think this leads into there being a version of Kang everywhere/everytime
My thought is that now that the loom has disappeared, all possibilities exist in their own timeline, adjacent to each other or even intersecting. Victor spaghettifying I think signifies the creation of all the Kang variants.
This was exactly my thought too. My very first thought on watching it was that he was being unraveled into countless diverging threads just like the time stream. I don't think that the way they portrayed the effects of the radiation was a coincidence. I also think we just witnessed the creation of all the Kang variants.
I was just starting to like Brad, then he has to go and side with the evil, psychopathic AI. I think Victor knew whoever tried to fix the loom wasn't coming back and that's why he offered to go. He probably figured that, whatever happened next, Loki would be needed.
"When she's like killing all the minutemen like I was just like, 'Wow, that's dark'. Like, she watched the whole thing. Didn't seem phased by it whatsoever. And I mean Miss Minutes is back there drooling just so bloodthirsty it was insane. Uhhh, dark moment. Incredibly dark. A lot of dark moments." Really? I thought the moments were well lit...
The Sacred Timeline: The only timeline He Who Remains allowed to persist, pruning every branch, in order to prevent any other Kang's from being brought into being. Branch timelines: any time someone chooses any action which deviates from the Sacred Timeline a branch is created, which then must be pruned. This season, without HWR to decide what needs pruning, things have gotten out of hand.
It’s not necessarily about choosing what gets pruned. Everything gets pruned. Anything that isn’t the sacred timeline is pruned, now nothing is getting pruned
that's true...but did you notice that Victor and Ouroborus shook hands? that's probably the closest that Kang/HWR ever got to doing a partnership. and look where that got them. 😐
Reminder that not all versions are evil as He Who Remains very heavily implied in s1e6 with "Not all versions of me were so....good" or something similar. Timely was 100% a hero, or else pretended to be scared when no one was watching, in that room before going into the radiation. Like, there's no way he knew he would be turned into spaghetti like that, even if that somehow spread himself across the multiverse (as people have theorized).
It will be interesting to see if Renslayer will be able to bypass the big monster in the Void that guards the entrance to the mansion. Or if she finds something else there to use. With so many timelines pruned nearly at the same time the void seems likely to be very full...
The problem with branched timelines is, according to Dr Strange etc, that incursions occur between timelines; they start to bleed into one another, creating chaos.
I think Victor spaghettification is really him being send in all of the timelines creating all the kang variants. After all this is he who remains back up plan, so I doubt his plan just failed.
I think Victor's "death" was the origin of the Kangs in the MCU.. He got shredded into infinite numbers of himself, who got scattered across all of time and space. It's a feedback loop, a snake eating its own tail, an Ouroboros.
I'm glad they didn't show them getting crushed. That was Saw level dark. Also, Victor didn't time slip, he turned in spaghetti. OB mentioned that a few eps back.
He Who (no longer) Remains did not say "Always," what he said to Miss Minutes was "All of them." Not just Renslayer but everyone who was part of the victory.
I read an article recently saying that reviewers who saw the first four episodes early had "mixed reviews" about it. That's just proof, to me, not to trust review articles, because these episodes have been *amazing,* and every single reactor I've seen also thinks so. "Mixed" must be some new Gen Z slang for "absolutely fucking amazing".
@@Aussie27Legend Sure, but the article was implying that it was basically 50/50 among reviewers, whereas it seems all the reaction channels, and all the comments on them, seem overwhelmingly positive. So it goes to show that the reviewers aren't a representative sample of the public opinions.
This might be a far-fetch, but what if in the last two episodes Ravonna will finally meet Kang? We know that she got sent to the Void after being pruned and as far as we know she has no back up. But, just maybe... she gets help from Kang (the same one who got vanished to somewhere by the end of Quantumania)
Feels like the "lovestory" angle is toast unless she gets her mind wiped *again* (i am still wondering how that recording from the end of time ended up in the tva, like... how and why).
Considering they turned off the no magic security program, I wonder if Loki could grab a time stone infinity stone from a desk because they use them as paperweights. And then perhaps he could use the time stone to remind far enough back to where there is much less radiation and you won't turn into spaghetti
Think the one prob is there's a line in season one that states they only work in their original universes or something. I don't think we are going back to the infinity stone well at this point.
Timely was spaghettified. On the floor in front of the blast doors is a warning that says "...avoid Spaghettification." OB asked Loki if he had heard how when you get too close to a black hole you turn into spaghetti, and the less he knew about that the better.
I'm not sure what's going to happen next. Probably the antics of the other Loki and Ravonna who got shunted off to that dumping ground at the end of time. Maybe? There's no way to be sure. Anything could happen on this show.
The problem Kang had with multiple timelines is that each one of them can potentially create a new Kang, and any of them is Bad News. Enough of them create a Time War.
It's not that multiple timelines are a problem. The problem is Victor Timely. He's the one who started a war between the timelines and he didn't want to share power, even with himself. So, as long as all the timelines are allowed to exist, Timely exists. And Timely starts a war that ends time.
I loved the reaction. and It was a Great episode.... The Way i see it. Yea Victor was on the Sacred Timeline as a young Boy. Then as He had the TVA Manual dropped in his window. He became a Variant on a Branch. (So a Un-natural Event in time Will turn the Normal timeline into a Branch) And The TVA is in a Sort of Pocket Dimension out of the Normal Time stream. So OB Could have Learned (Many Temporal Mechanics from Studying Multiple Branch Timelines of ''Would be Geniuses '' Like a Branched '' Victor Timely'' (Who otherwise may have Just grown up as a highly intelligent Candlemaker? And may have Started an energy business in the early 20th century if not for the Cursed TVA Manual lol!) Its Possible that'' OB'' And ''He Who Remains/Kang'' Learned Many Principles Of Temporal Mechanics/Science From early Inventors. From Both Normal and Branched timelines. OB wont age at the TVA. And Kang Is from the 30th Century. So, they both can Look throughout the Past for what's come before. And Victor (I do not think he Time Slipped! At least not like Loki has. It seemed; He was Broken down With Temporal Radiation to just Billions of Particles....That Scattered into the Energy of raw time! But I am sure we will see him again or many other variants of Kang Very soon!)
"Please don't crush somebody in a box." "I don't want to watch somebody get crushed in a box." 😬 "I really, really, really like Victor. I really want him to be good, & on our side, & make it out of this." - Wow, this just _isn't_ your episode, huh. 😁😂 Spaghetti'd into every timeline, after having the head scanner implant/trigger Kang Protocols in himself... 🤔
The way I think about it. It was O.B. He said himself from previous episodes, that he created that... he wrote a "book" on it. Since Victor got a copy of that book. Went back in his "time". As time passes on. O.B. was influence by Victor. Unknowingly it was himself!! B.O. was influence by Kinda like the second The Terminator film
Renslayer and sexy ass miss minutes wanted victor to save the loom with his device. He fixed what OB and Casey couldn’t figure out. Also since miss minutes had taken over comms and the TVA, Mobius and OB had to go analog with a landline conference call hoping someone had eyes on the Lokis or they themselves picked up. And pretty sure Victor is dead. It wasn’t like Loki time slipping, you can literally see him getting spaghettified from skin to bone. Hunter B15 pulled a Rocco from Boondock saints in the end there… “iS hE dEd??” I dunno dude. Someone check his pulse…
So... Victor Timely appeared to go through the spagettification talked about earlier in the series & what happened to Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) in Dr. Strange & the Multiverse of Madness not the taffy effect that happened to Loki when he Time Slipped, but I am glad I heard your thoughts on it, because I had it locked in my thoughts as what it appeared to me & didn't leave the door open to it being a Time Slip.
I love the way your brain works, when you recapped Victors death and just said "squiggles" I couldn't help but laugh. So for his death if you follow the same logic as doctor who when stepping into your own time stream you end up at all the key moments of your existence. Although O.B. mentioned spaghettification in an earlier episode, I think referring to the effect of a black hole on the body. I'll have to ho back and watch that episode.
My view: The TVA only exists to ensure He Who Remains ‘wins’. The ‘sacred timeline’ is a religious doctrine used to ensure everything leads to him being in control at the ‘End of time’. Without the TVA all timelines can continue unhindered. Just as Silvie wants. The downside is those other timelines will produce versions of Kang who will fight to control the timeline, just as He Who Remains did.
It's interesting that at least 3 different reactors have had that EXACT same progression of "I like Victor" to abject horror as he spaghettied to being stunned to cursing that the ep was over. :)
OB has a memory longer than 400 years, 400 was just the last time OB saw Mobius. I just figured they didn't wipe OB's memory cus hes the one who's in charge of the technology, especially the loom, and that's info he needs to keep, plus hes sectioned off in his own quarters.
24:30 - “I really really really like Victor, I really want him to be good and on our side and make it out of this.” Me watching this after seeing the episode; 😳😬😑 That was awesome watching your reaction/emotional shift.
All I know is they must have been starving for spaghetti when they were developing ideas for this group of projects...Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, several times mentioning being turned into spaghetti until it happened.
And I'm back at hating Brad, screw that guy Also the general, despite anihilating entire universes could see the humanity in Brad and call him by his chosen name. Renslayer calls him X-5. He choses poorly
This episode really was phenomenal. I watched it when it came out, so I was with you in that whole... "Wait... what happens now?" place. The... last three episodes of this show all have their own season finale energy, and each finale feels different from the others. It's such a strange sensation and not something that I've ever experienced in a show like this.
Do you remember in episode one when O.B. asked Mobius if he knew about being turned into spaghetti by a black hole? That was the setup for this payoff.
This variant of Loki almost feels like he's in his afterlife, but in purgatory, working on himself so that one day he'll be worthy of reuniting with his family and friends in Valhalla.
when we left off the previews episode i some what knew the next episode will be intense but not like this also loki prune himself make sense and the present loki answering the phone and the caller was O.B. (ouroboros - a snake swallowing its tail, which never disappear but perpetually change form in an eternal cycle of destruction and re-creation.)
What if this sends him to the 31st century where Kang is from. Since he knows about timeslines now he reaches out to the other ones, but since they never explained the multiversal war it all starts back up.
I think it was the perfect decision _not_ to show what it looks like. Makes you imagine something so much worse than anything they could have shown. just the horrified reactions of the people that tells you that, yes. it is _that_ bad
Seriously, this is arguably the darkest, bleakest thing Marvel has ever done. I absolutely *loved* this ep. What a swing
*Gamora getting thrown off a cliff to her death*
"Am I a joke to you?"
The darkest timeline
@@liljackypapera close second, for sure
No way this is darker than Guardians 3
Episode 4 of What If...? with Doctor Strange takes it for me.
In the scene with the telephone, the lights for all of the lines are lit, indicating that O.B. was calling every hardwired telephone in the TVA in hopes that Loki/Sylvie would be close enough to hear one of them ringing.
Nice detail and nice catch!
When Victor started saying "Time to be brave. Time to be brave," and he wasn't stuttering, I got chills and thought "My goodness they're going to make him into a hero!"
And then ..... Wow. Just wow. My jaw was on the floor in shock.
_Especially_ given how much the He Who Remains at "Wipe all their memories" was more like Timely (giving it actual thought & almost seeming to do so regrettably). 👨🏻🍳😙👌🏻
I wonder if Timely's "spaghettification" at the end was a nod to the Flash movie? Probably not, but you never know.
@kerouac.Jackson definitely not. I don't think they would gives nods to anything DC
@@kerouac.jackson no but i do think its a reference to episode 1 where O.B. talks about going through a black hole turns you into spaghetti
"I really really really like Victor..." That reaction was priceless. Totally worth the price of admission. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. haha!
Yeah.. this one right here 24:48
Love how when Timeley is brought before Ravona and Mis Minutes You can see him go like "Oh Sh..... Okay, time to pivot and FAST!"
OB's comments about his model "not being to scale, not finished painting" has GOT to be a reference to Back to the Future (in which Doc Brown frequently made similar comments)
"Please excuse the crudity of this model. I didn't have time to build it to scale or to paint it."
Yup, I picked up on that, too. :)
@@JiReyAnimation I'm a huge BTTF fan, and noticed the similarity immediately. Appropriate to use a quote from a timetravel franchise, in a tv-show heavily involving timetravel 🙂
I liked when O.B. first shows everyone his 'crude' model.
It reminded me of Doc Brown describing HIS model to Marty in Back To The Future.
When you said how much you wanted Victor to be good, I had to cackle. My reaction was EXACTLY like yours.
What’s interesting is that the spaghettification that OB warned about which happened to timely so closely resembles what Scarlet Witch did to Reed Richards in Multiverse of Madness. Makes you wonder how they’re connected.
I know they hinted at it, but I just didn’t think they would actually do it. And I’m not even mad. I think it was an awesome effect, it shocked the hell out of me.
Wanda is out here destroying people with miniature event horizons.
This series probably has the most "headcount" of deaths of any MCU (or maybe any??) series or movie, not even close to Dr. Strange's incursion, even Thanos' snap. And this is not just the unseen timelines but even the up and close pruning and now getting "boxed!" Wow! This series is amazing, I might have to marathon run through the Season 1 & 2 to see the continuity! Also I believe Timely or at least that variant, is truly dead. He was "spaghetified," we even saw his rib cage and skull..
episode 2 was easily the largest genocide in the mcu for sure
Yeah. The closest thing I can think of other than Dr. Strange and this, is Endgame and bringing people back from being snapped out of existence. Mind you, as we seen in Far From Home, people resumed what they were doing at the exact moment. Possibly giving The Avengers (mainly Hulk) one of the largest body counts known to man.
Hulk's... or the Airlines? 🤔
"You know what? I don't need to see it." 😂
This ep is among the best things from MCU to me. As is the season and just the whole show in general. Bravo!
This was a *BALLSY* move for the show- and it was awesome!
You could totally pull off a Sylvie cosplay!
12:30
I can't be the only one who noticed the "Back to the Future" reference by OB when he's talking about his model not being to scale. Too hilarious!
It kinda makes me feel old that none of these (younger) people seem to see BTTF as a cultural touchstone in the same way as I do. I personally thought the reference was VERY obvious - if anything a little too on the nose - and it staggers me that so many people didn’t get it at all! 😮
Yeah, I got that as well. Good stuff
@@philcorrigan5641does 18 years old count? I'd guess a good amount of younger people are shown classics by their parents, such as myself.
Did anyone notice that when victor put his head in the machine it made the same sounds/words as in when the president in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy had to use his id to activate the Infinite Probability Drive.
It’s so funny how much so many people in the series are striving to protect “The Sacred Timeline” when it’s sacred for exactly ONE reason, and it was for one very self-serving reason.
"Had to be me. Someone else might've gotten it wrong."
The reason He Who Remains created the TVA to prune the timelines is to prevent the branch timelines that create the variant Kangs/He Who Remains.
They really couldn't have baited us any harder with that ending, oh my gosh. From the music, to the pacing, I was *fully* in and prepared for Victor to have a heroic moment, while potentially inadvertently "splitting" himself. Nope! I *screamed* when that happened hahaha, so good! They never fail to surprise with Loki. Truly some of Marvel's best.
When the group gets "cubed" it occurred to me that just hearing it but not seeing it was truly worse. Your own imagination filled in the blanks and depending on your imagination, how bad it was
Mine was pretty grim
As far as Timely's fate is concerned, I'm afraid that looked a lot more like the forewarned 'spaghetification' rather than the Time Slip we've seen before with Loki. That said, I hope they do manage to find a way to keep this version of Timely. I really liked him!
Interesting that was brought up in reference of black holes, unsure how they work irl but maybe what happens at the end is adapted from how travelling through a blackhole would do.
@@Aussie27Legend Some scientists theorize that black holes just spit the material out into another, new, fresh universe. For all we know dude got spaghettified, and is totally fine in some other Multiverse haha.
@@qrowing What scientists have theorized that? Certainly not any good ones.
@@Aussie27Legend A black hole isn't a passage way, they are objects. You can no more travel through a black hole than you could travel through a planet, actually, less so since anything that passes a black hole's event horizon becomes part of the black hole for all eternity (well, until the black hole evaporates, but then it just comes back out as undifferentiated energy, not whatever it was when it went in). Spaghettification is caused by tidal forces which are when part of an object experiences greater gravity than another part. Tidal forces are, as the name suggests, what causes tides in the ocean and what causes one side of the moon to always face Earth (the near side of the Moon is closer to the Earth is heavier than the far side because it's closer and, therefore, experiences more gravity). Near a black hole, though, the tidal forces are so enormous, even on the scale of a person, that the part closer to the black hole will be pulled away from the farther part, stretching it out.
@@qrowingby “scientists” you meant “movie writers”, im sure. Hawkings radiation says absolutely nothing about random stuff just coming out of a black holes butt hole nor has it been theorized by anyone in the scientific community…
when you're pruned you go to the end of time. I suspect Renslayer will tell alioth to 'heel"
you know, from OB's perspective, everyone's gonna die *right this instant*
I mean, he's a bejillion years old.... "death in the next two hours" might as well be "right this instant"
In the mass murder scene, there is no reason to pan over because a person's imagination will provide a more gruesome outcome than anything that the set crew could provide. Thanks, Alfred Hitchcock.
John Carpenter: “Hold my beer.”
Everyone goes to the end of time when pruned.
IDK what the last two episodes hold, but I will say this: episode 4 of season one had us thinking Loki and Mobius were dead, and they weren't. I'm pretty sure we're going through the same thing now, only without the post credit scene that let us know Loki was alive. Having said that, when it comes to Victor Timely, I got nothing. No theories. No ideas. Looks like he met an untimely death. See what I did there?
No one thought Loki was dead lmao
It looked like Victor’s body stretched into numerous strands, spaghettified. His rib cage and and skull were visible. It was horrifying.
Victor ded, Renslayer is clearly not dead (people have bad memories) just sent to... forgot the name but where Alioth is and I imagine the main crew is now scattered across time, I... hope sylvie still has that super-TemPad.
@@Aussie27Legend the Void
@@ZacharyFineour That's the one! (forgot how on the nose that name is)
Spaghettification. That's what OB warned about in episode one.
Same thing happened to one of the Ant-Man variants in Quantummania.
Another great episode and so completely unexpected what a gut punch, i cant wait to see next weeks reboot of the universe... i guess lol or is it a reboot of the TVA im not quite sure ahh, the series is so so good, thanks for the reaction.
Marvel continuously brings new levels of anxiety, hope, stress, depression, darkness, chills, smiles, and tears. im honestly speechless.
18:24 B-15s actress is Wunmi Mosaku, and yes! She really is brilliant! Underrated part of the show honestly
I'm pretty sure everyone ends up in the void when they're pruned. Time-slipping Loki was an exception because they pulled him out with that device.
They just didn’t seem to be a lot of people there… Right? It seemed very empty.
@@funnylilgalreacts Alioth probably got a lot of them. 🤷♂️
Also it's probably just a huge or even infinite place. If it's big enough, even with billions people it will look empty
I feel like this is kinda of similar to Adventure Time’s lich where Victor Timely got split into every universe/dimension. I think this leads into there being a version of Kang everywhere/everytime
victor is now everything, everywhere, all at o-
yay! thank you!
Squiggles! 🤣
My thought is that now that the loom has disappeared, all possibilities exist in their own timeline, adjacent to each other or even intersecting. Victor spaghettifying I think signifies the creation of all the Kang variants.
This was exactly my thought too. My very first thought on watching it was that he was being unraveled into countless diverging threads just like the time stream. I don't think that the way they portrayed the effects of the radiation was a coincidence. I also think we just witnessed the creation of all the Kang variants.
I do love when O.B. gives Miss Minutes the "HAL 9000 treatment."
I think when Loki is walking down the hallway, he sees a security camera on the wall. That is how someone could see he is near a particular phone.
Miss minutes is a little psychopath
I dig that psycho clock
Psychopath as fuck!
I was just starting to like Brad, then he has to go and side with the evil, psychopathic AI.
I think Victor knew whoever tried to fix the loom wasn't coming back and that's why he offered to go. He probably figured that, whatever happened next, Loki would be needed.
Sylvie has never had to act as a god, she was just a survivor. Loki has seen others (Odin, Thor, etc.) acting as gods and being responsible.
yeah people really don't get sylvies character
23:17 your mischievous grin in this moment was great
24:40 this moment was jaw dropping.
Great reaction as usual.
What an ending!
24:47 love it 🤠
"When she's like killing all the minutemen like I was just like, 'Wow, that's dark'. Like, she watched the whole thing. Didn't seem phased by it whatsoever. And I mean Miss Minutes is back there drooling just so bloodthirsty it was insane. Uhhh, dark moment. Incredibly dark. A lot of dark moments."
Really? I thought the moments were well lit...
Ayyyy ohhhh 😂
The Sacred Timeline:
The only timeline He Who Remains allowed to persist, pruning every branch, in order to prevent any other Kang's from being brought into being.
Branch timelines: any time someone chooses any action which deviates from the Sacred Timeline a branch is created, which then must be pruned.
This season, without HWR to decide what needs pruning, things have gotten out of hand.
It’s not necessarily about choosing what gets pruned. Everything gets pruned. Anything that isn’t the sacred timeline is pruned, now nothing is getting pruned
Loki and Mobius give us the laughs but OB is the heart of this show, protect him at all costs.
I really like this show. It's actually pretty simple plotting but the way they go around it, it's fun.
15:12 Mature Loki! 🥵🔥
The last reaction is priceless))) millions of people shouted it at the same time. It's a pleasure to watch your channel, you are a diamond, thank you!
None of the Kang-variants "do partnerships," however, they are perfectly willing to lead a team to accomplish something that a single person cannot.
that's true...but did you notice that Victor and Ouroborus shook hands? that's probably the closest that Kang/HWR ever got to doing a partnership. and look where that got them. 😐
@@TraceyHughesThat was just out of respect dufus
Reminder that not all versions are evil as He Who Remains very heavily implied in s1e6 with "Not all versions of me were so....good" or something similar.
Timely was 100% a hero, or else pretended to be scared when no one was watching, in that room before going into the radiation. Like, there's no way he knew he would be turned into spaghetti like that, even if that somehow spread himself across the multiverse (as people have theorized).
It will be interesting to see if Renslayer will be able to bypass the big monster in the Void that guards the entrance to the mansion. Or if she finds something else there to use. With so many timelines pruned nearly at the same time the void seems likely to be very full...
It's been a long time since I've seen somebody's heart get ripped out so violently in real time.
I’m thinking this may be how we get the X-Men and FF I’m thinking it’s the end of one multiverse and the birth of another multiverse.
The problem with branched timelines is, according to Dr Strange etc, that incursions occur between timelines; they start to bleed into one another, creating chaos.
I think Victor spaghettification is really him being send in all of the timelines creating all the kang variants. After all this is he who remains back up plan, so I doubt his plan just failed.
I think Victor's "death" was the origin of the Kangs in the MCU.. He got shredded into infinite numbers of himself, who got scattered across all of time and space. It's a feedback loop, a snake eating its own tail, an Ouroboros.
I'm glad they didn't show them getting crushed. That was Saw level dark.
Also, Victor didn't time slip, he turned in spaghetti. OB mentioned that a few eps back.
He Who (no longer) Remains did not say "Always," what he said to Miss Minutes was "All of them." Not just Renslayer but everyone who was part of the victory.
Which makes it interesting to see where Moebius really was from, and that is why he subconsciously hasn't been looking.
I could go for some spaghetti now...
😂 i’m so mad I forgot about spaghettification
Respect for trying to talk after the credit roll. I just sat there for 5 min in shock. Wonderful cliffhanger
oof at 24:32. 😬 LOL. "I really like victor, I want him to be okay. _Squiggles!_ "
You need bad loki's so they can be the reason the avengers form.
I read an article recently saying that reviewers who saw the first four episodes early had "mixed reviews" about it. That's just proof, to me, not to trust review articles, because these episodes have been *amazing,* and every single reactor I've seen also thinks so. "Mixed" must be some new Gen Z slang for "absolutely fucking amazing".
or maybe people just have opinions
@@Aussie27Legend Sure, but the article was implying that it was basically 50/50 among reviewers, whereas it seems all the reaction channels, and all the comments on them, seem overwhelmingly positive. So it goes to show that the reviewers aren't a representative sample of the public opinions.
When pruned you go to the end of time to face Alioth. Question is whether Alioth is still there after the Lokis defeated him.
They might reboot the MCU after this
Me, whispering back to you : I really love this version of Loki too. 😉
Does anyone here want some spaghetti? Victor made a huge plate for us
This might be a far-fetch, but what if in the last two episodes Ravonna will finally meet Kang? We know that she got sent to the Void after being pruned and as far as we know she has no back up. But, just maybe... she gets help from Kang (the same one who got vanished to somewhere by the end of Quantumania)
Feels like the "lovestory" angle is toast unless she gets her mind wiped *again* (i am still wondering how that recording from the end of time ended up in the tva, like... how and why).
Considering they turned off the no magic security program, I wonder if Loki could grab a time stone infinity stone from a desk because they use them as paperweights. And then perhaps he could use the time stone to remind far enough back to where there is much less radiation and you won't turn into spaghetti
My theory is that the temporal loom exploding is a massive pruning so now all of existence is in The Void. BUT I LIKE your idea!
I like this theory 👌
@@dresdenwarlock7978 not the MCU can't be destroyed maybe the tva will be destroyed and Loki and his squad will spawn on the timelines maybe!
What if Loki time slipped last second?
Think the one prob is there's a line in season one that states they only work in their original universes or something. I don't think we are going back to the infinity stone well at this point.
Timely was spaghettified. On the floor in front of the blast doors is a warning that says "...avoid Spaghettification." OB asked Loki if he had heard how when you get too close to a black hole you turn into spaghetti, and the less he knew about that the better.
I think Victor did the 'sacrifice' at the end to use the 'multiplier' to make many copies of himself through out the timelines.
Theory: TVA is a time loop.
I'm not sure what's going to happen next. Probably the antics of the other Loki and Ravonna who got shunted off to that dumping ground at the end of time. Maybe? There's no way to be sure. Anything could happen on this show.
The problem Kang had with multiple timelines is that each one of them can potentially create a new Kang, and any of them is Bad News. Enough of them create a Time War.
Behold the MCU has been rebooted!
It's not that multiple timelines are a problem. The problem is Victor Timely. He's the one who started a war between the timelines and he didn't want to share power, even with himself. So, as long as all the timelines are allowed to exist, Timely exists. And Timely starts a war that ends time.
Your Ms Minutes is spot on!
I loved the reaction. and It was a Great episode....
The Way i see it.
Yea Victor was on the Sacred Timeline as a young Boy. Then as He had the TVA Manual dropped in his window. He became a Variant on a Branch. (So a Un-natural Event in time Will turn the Normal timeline into a Branch)
And The TVA is in a Sort of Pocket Dimension out of the Normal Time stream. So OB Could have Learned (Many Temporal Mechanics from Studying Multiple Branch Timelines of ''Would be Geniuses '' Like a Branched '' Victor Timely'' (Who otherwise may have Just grown up as a highly intelligent Candlemaker? And may have Started an energy business in the early 20th century if not for the Cursed TVA Manual lol!)
Its Possible that'' OB'' And ''He Who Remains/Kang'' Learned Many Principles Of Temporal Mechanics/Science From early Inventors. From Both Normal and Branched timelines.
OB wont age at the TVA.
And Kang Is from the 30th Century. So, they both can Look throughout the Past for what's come before.
And Victor (I do not think he Time Slipped! At least not like Loki has. It seemed; He was Broken down With Temporal Radiation to just Billions of Particles....That Scattered into the Energy of raw time! But I am sure we will see him again or many other variants of Kang Very soon!)
"Please don't crush somebody in a box." "I don't want to watch somebody get crushed in a box." 😬
"I really, really, really like Victor. I really want him to be good, & on our side, & make it out of this." - Wow, this just _isn't_ your episode, huh. 😁😂
Spaghetti'd into every timeline, after having the head scanner implant/trigger Kang Protocols in himself... 🤔
The way I think about it. It was O.B.
He said himself from previous episodes, that he created that... he wrote a "book" on it. Since Victor got a copy of that book. Went back in his "time". As time passes on. O.B. was influence by Victor. Unknowingly it was himself!! B.O. was influence by
Kinda like the second The Terminator film
What if Victor getting Spaghettified in the presence of all of the branches is what places all the copies of Kang in every dimension/branch?
11:17 She is "Judge Gamble", portrayed by Liz Carr. An English actress, comedian, broadcaster and international disability rights activist.
Renslayer and sexy ass miss minutes wanted victor to save the loom with his device. He fixed what OB and Casey couldn’t figure out. Also since miss minutes had taken over comms and the TVA, Mobius and OB had to go analog with a landline conference call hoping someone had eyes on the Lokis or they themselves picked up. And pretty sure Victor is dead. It wasn’t like Loki time slipping, you can literally see him getting spaghettified from skin to bone. Hunter B15 pulled a Rocco from Boondock saints in the end there… “iS hE dEd??” I dunno dude. Someone check his pulse…
So... Victor Timely appeared to go through the spagettification talked about earlier in the series & what happened to Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) in Dr. Strange & the Multiverse of Madness not the taffy effect that happened to Loki when he Time Slipped, but I am glad I heard your thoughts on it, because I had it locked in my thoughts as what it appeared to me & didn't leave the door open to it being a Time Slip.
I love the way your brain works, when you recapped Victors death and just said "squiggles" I couldn't help but laugh.
So for his death if you follow the same logic as doctor who when stepping into your own time stream you end up at all the key moments of your existence. Although O.B. mentioned spaghettification in an earlier episode, I think referring to the effect of a black hole on the body. I'll have to ho back and watch that episode.
My view:
The TVA only exists to ensure He Who Remains ‘wins’. The ‘sacred timeline’ is a religious doctrine used to ensure everything leads to him being in control at the ‘End of time’.
Without the TVA all timelines can continue unhindered. Just as Silvie wants.
The downside is those other timelines will produce versions of Kang who will fight to control the timeline, just as He Who Remains did.
It's interesting that at least 3 different reactors have had that EXACT same progression of "I like Victor" to abject horror as he spaghettied to being stunned to cursing that the ep was over. :)
OB has a memory longer than 400 years, 400 was just the last time OB saw Mobius. I just figured they didn't wipe OB's memory cus hes the one who's in charge of the technology, especially the loom, and that's info he needs to keep, plus hes sectioned off in his own quarters.
24:30 - “I really really really like Victor, I really want him to be good and on our side and make it out of this.”
Me watching this after seeing the episode; 😳😬😑
That was awesome watching your reaction/emotional shift.
Idk why I look forward to watching you watch the shows I like watching, but I do and will always wonder... WHY?!🤔🙂🫡
All I know is they must have been starving for spaghetti when they were developing ideas for this group of projects...Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, several times mentioning being turned into spaghetti until it happened.
And I'm back at hating Brad, screw that guy
Also the general, despite anihilating entire universes could see the humanity in Brad and call him by his chosen name. Renslayer calls him X-5. He choses poorly
This episode really was phenomenal. I watched it when it came out, so I was with you in that whole... "Wait... what happens now?" place. The... last three episodes of this show all have their own season finale energy, and each finale feels different from the others. It's such a strange sensation and not something that I've ever experienced in a show like this.
Do you remember in episode one when O.B. asked Mobius if he knew about being turned into spaghetti by a black hole? That was the setup for this payoff.
This variant of Loki almost feels like he's in his afterlife, but in purgatory, working on himself so that one day he'll be worthy of reuniting with his family and friends in Valhalla.
when we left off the previews episode i some what knew the next episode will be intense but not like this also loki prune himself make sense and the present loki answering the phone and the caller was O.B. (ouroboros - a snake swallowing its tail, which never disappear but perpetually change form in an eternal cycle of destruction and re-creation.)
What if this sends him to the 31st century where Kang is from. Since he knows about timeslines now he reaches out to the other ones, but since they never explained the multiversal war it all starts back up.
From what I understand, B-15 is Verity Willis, who was Loki's BFF in one of the comics.
I think it was the perfect decision _not_ to show what it looks like. Makes you imagine something so much worse than anything they could have shown. just the horrified reactions of the people that tells you that, yes. it is _that_ bad