The GameCube Nintendo Switch Pro Controller
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Retro Fighters has released a new Gamecube inspired Switch Pro Controller with the Duelist! Let’s talk about what it does, what it’s for, and what it makes me want.
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Thanks so much for featuring the Fixture S1, Kevin! We’re happy to see how much you’re enjoying the mount and how well it works with the GameCube Nintendo Switch Pro Controller :)
Personally im still hoping/waiting for 8bitduo to make their own wireless GameCube controller that has rumble and an adapter to work on the original GameCube... I have a mighty need, and having wireless rumble for the og console would make it sell like hot cakes!
We need an adapter like what they have for NES & SNES.
I also wanna see them make a modernized version of the Saturn controller. I'd be very interested in seeing a high quality modern controller with 6 face buttons.
you could also just buy a wave bird and plug it into the adapter
@@doorbox788 No gyro or extra buttons.
@@doorbox788 no vibration on the of wavebird, We've always had missing features on wireless GameCube controllers so it would be nice to get the full functionality back.
I've actually been on the fence about getting one of these so this video came out at the perfect time. Thanks a ton!
I would love this controller to be legal in Ultimate events. I believe it wont be because of the extra button but honestly I don't think it is that different that the current in game macros
I also love what you said Kevin about maybe pushing the button layout closer to the GC controller. If I had that button layout on a pro controller frame I would be so freaking happy
Unfortunately it wont be since "short hop aerials" is multiple inputs for one button and thats banned
I've personally never understood the point of having two jump buttons in Smash, Nintendo should just make one of them a short hop button instead, it'll make advanced movements more accessible for casual players. Personally, on this controller, I have mixed feelings about the weird 5-button layout, why not just go to a 6-button layout instead?
Another thing I've questioned in the past, which I hope Microsoft may be paving the way of change for with the XBS controller design, is why not have an 8-way D-pad? So many games use diagonals as a form of input, why do we not make 45° diagonals their own button, this would also allow for eight additional mixed inputs at the 22.5° diagonals, which would allow for double the functionality of the current D-pad design. In the case of games like Smash, this would almost entirely omit the need for the octagonal gate on the stick, as the game would more than likely be entirely playable with an 8-way D-pad.
This is a dope feature, I just wish you cut to the chase and spoke about that S button right away lol
I think this would work pretty well for games like THPS 1+2, and other skating games
How many years has smash as a franchise existed with two distinct kinds of jump and two distinct jump buttons, but no option to match each kind of jump to its own button? So frustrating.
Because not only will mapping a dedicated short hop button go against smashes simple design concept that attracts its massive casual audience but having a dedicated button for short hopping and full hopping will just add another button to account for
Eg: gamecube controllers have 3 shoulder buttons and most players map 1 of them to jump with the other 2 being shield and grab
Adding a dedicated button for short hopping will not only cripple new players learning curves but upset the balance of buttons being used.
if you hit both jump buttons at the same time you short hop..
Git gud maybe
Rivals of Aether lets you map any of jump (natural, like smash's), dedicated full hop, and dedicated short hop, as well as having dedicated attack and smash buttons by default (which can be consolidated like smash does).
@@Mars-pw4iw this is the worst take I've ever seen. Most new players won't be able to pull off short hops, so simply letting a spate button do it would make it easier for everyone. I imagine on the regular jump button you'd still be able to short hop with a brief press too. At the very least a short hop button in the options would be nice like tilt attacks on the c stick. Still its a moot point because pressing both jump buttons at the same time will only short hop, and this has not "crippled" any new players.
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if you hit two jump buttons at the same time, you can do a short hop. Same goes for two shield buttons and shield tilting.
Finally a decent review of the controller. The other were basically unboxing vids and not much else.
Like a few others have said, I would have probably jumped on it if it retained the gc button layout with modern controller esthetics. Nintendo should have just coded short hop as an option instead of having 2 jump buttons. They already made it a shortcut, why not just make it a regular button option.
Hoping retro releases an actual wired GC controller with modern esthetics with no extra gimmicks (maybe an extra z trigger)
They did just announce a wireless GC controller with modern aesthetics that's Gamecube compatible... Unfortunately it's using an inline analog stick design like a playstation controller, which is fine for some people and great for 2d platformers and fighting games... But most major Gamecube games really assume you're not even using the d-pad, so why they didn't just use the same stick layout as this controller is beyond me.
I love the GameCube but I always found it bizarre how the system itself was so square and the controller was so… not
So...you mean rounded?
The ABXY button layout is dumb for emulating the GameCube.
That controller actually looks great for traditional fighting games as well.
I like this idea where they made most of it for fighter games but it still brings the "I'm the main button" for dialog box story focused game.
Because of the S button being able to be mapped to short hop, the controller isn’t tournament legal.
That's what I was thinking lol. It's designed "for smash" but you can't even use it in a tournament xD
Well look no further retrofighters' own Blade GC controller which is basically this Duelist controller without the S button
@@jovannydiazabad6123 Which makes this release even dumber that it happened to begin with lol
This is a cool idea!
However, I think the S button storing macros is going to get it banned from tournaments, which may really hold the controller back if it is targeted at the audience who are buying GCCs.
Many smash players really like to assign grab or shield to a face button too, I think if the S button was a simple remappable button, it would be a much more viable controller in a competitive setting I feel
Unfortunately you're almost definitely correct. Not to mention that no one ever uses wireless controllers at tournaments anyways, too difficult to re-pair when the console you were previously connected to is still in range (assuming in person tournaments). Also, The only way I could see the S button being just a remappable button is if it took the place of the left shoulder button and going back to the retro GameCube design of not having a left shoulder.
@@KyleDavis328
Yeah I'm with you, it's verrryy annoying when you are trying to play on a tournament set up and a random wireless controller is connected but there is no way to know which one or disconnect easily.
Don't get me wrong, I think the controller is cool, but they admit themselves that the controller is aimed at smashers, who wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole, so it really misses the mark and unfortunately is just kinda, useless?
You can actually just short hop by pressing 2 jump buttons at the same time, hence why Y and X by default are both jump
I might be wrong but didn’t that method prevent you from using rising ( or maby falling ) arials ?
I do think the gates are cool, it might allow for some sliding downtilts or simpler wavebounces. However, the s button seems like a waste. There’s already a ton of options to use a smash attack (including a+b smash). Plus, you’ll be stunting yourself if you never learn to short hop, and three frames of a press lets your fingers move to the next button quicker. You’ll only ever need three face buttons, if you have rb as grab, and rt as jump (for attack cancels)
There are tons of Switch games that could do with analog triggers. Especially racing!
Very impressive for £21 to have: wireless, rumble, gyro and can boot up the console. Do they make other switch controllers with normal button layout?
It's not £21 once you add shipping... More like £40!
Hopefully Hall effect triggers become commonplace, and we'll see the utilisation of variable input.
Honestly this would be cool if there wasnt a macro. Immediately not tourney legal cause of it. Makes the concept for seem silly with that in mind
there are actual gamecube shaped pro controllers
@@AdeonWriter he's referring to the s button doing short hop attacks. It's tournament illegal to have controllers like that
yeah i was interested in this until i saw that. a shame
I think if you told someone that all it does is let you short hop, they wouldn't even care. That mechanic on its own is not going to make you significantly better in any way.
I may pick this up for Super Mario 3D All Stars. I miss the octagonal gate around the analog stick for 64. Thanks for the vid, Kev!
You could mod your pro controller by buying an octagonal gate shell case at extremerate from either their website or their amazon page, I did it and I'm loving it
I got their wired N64 controller and its been awesome to play older games on a modern design of controller
You can short hop by just pressing two jump buttons at the same time
Having to press only one for short hop is better
that extra button would probably make it not tournament legal. really not sure why they added the short hop aerial function, that basically ensures it not being tournament legal
I actually bought this controller around a week ago and I really like it. That short hop button is a godsend, in my opinion.
Do the sticks have 8 "rails" inside mechanically speaking when you move them around without touching the gate? (Not talking about the notches of the gate itself).
How does the build quality and buttons feel compared to an official Pro Controller?
I'm tempted to get one...
@@MerryBlind I, unfortunately, can't quite answer your question. It does have the notches, but the rails... I've never actually had any experience with rails in a controller (to my knowledge), so...I don't know. In addition, I've never actually held a pro controller (I've only ever used one random off brand controller until I moved onto the 8bitdo SN30). I can, say, however, that it's probably lighter than a pro controller.
As far as the build quality, it's plastic, but it's not a cheap plastic. It feels quite good to hold.
@@calebricks4890 All good thanks for your reply! Yeah I know the rails thing sounds weird but you'd understand if you had a GC controller in hand.
Basically let's say you do a circular motion slowly with your stick but without touching the gate, does it feel smooth and consistent without any resistance or do you feel the mechanism inside kind of guiding your stick to stay in those 8 directions as if there was a line (or rail) going from the notches to the center of the stick?
If you're still unsure then all good don't worry about it :)
@@MerryBlind Sorry about the late reply, I was out and didn't have the controller with me. It does not have any rails. I can rotate both analog sticks without any resistance or anything guiding it into a specific direction.
@@calebricks4890 Hey no worries man this is just a UA-cam thread haha
Interesting, thank you for checking! That'd make the sticks slightly worse for attacks inputs but slightly better for certain recoveries as the rails can sometimes mess with the angle you want.
The story behind this controller was one hell of a trip. Retro Fighters (a predominantly kickstarter-driven company) ran a campaign for the Duelist back in June 2020 and even met it's own goal of $13,000. But then cut the campaign short (presumably within first few days or weeks) citing planned revisions based off feedback. They currently don't even list the Duelist in their own store, but I've found 2 online retailers that do. There are a number of videos on UA-cam promoting and reviewing the Duelist - which may have been creator prototypes. But just a week ago (2021 Sept) Retro Fighters released a product video of the Duelist. This feels like either a wildly botched product release or some sort of scam. But for $30 I'll take my chances. YMMV
It'd be cool though if someone actually dug into this.
UPDATE: 2 weeks later and it looks like RetroFighters now has the Duelist in-stock over on their store. My controller came in from Stone Age Gamers without hiccup and the controller appears to be in working order. No bugs.
Well i ll tell you guys, that the power A gamecube controller for smash bros/nintendo switch is absolutely fantastic for the 25 dollars they charge for it. Thats the best gamecube replica ive tried, but i might give this a shot
Can confirm. I still use a regular Gamecube controller but the PowerA one is exceptional
I disagree! I've tried it in a store, and it feels nothing like an original GameCube controller whatsoever. The buttons feel different and the thumbsticks feel light and cheap. I don't understand why everyone is so lyrical about it.
i got one of the power a gcn switch controllers, and it felt really good to use that controller for other games. It's unfortunate though how cheap they're made, can definitely tell its 3rd party with the way the plastic feels and how light it is, and it really didn't last long before the analog quit working.
I’m interested in this but won’t get one until I see an extensive latency test. I play competitively with a pro controller
Same also I’ve only recently appreciated how the HD rumble is used in smash. It kinda gives you that subtle feedback like “okay that’s what it feels like to input an up tilt vs an up smash”
controllers with a macro are not allowed in tournaments
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GC controller was awesome for soul calibur 2. Playing newer games with other controllers just not the same.
You COULD argue that the central A/primary style didn't catch on because it doesn't fit every games layouts. But in a world where free button mapping is becoming the norm I don't see that being as big an issue.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if that controller came with a dongle for the GameCube.
GameCube Controller Original Design FTW
Absolutely.
I may have missed it, but I dont think you mentioned that it has a gamecube adapter and you can play it like a wireless gamecube controller in place of the wavebird.
It's insane that Nintendo could just add a remap feature in game to map a dedicated short hop button but won't. This controller looks interesting, I wonder if it would be legal in tournament
Looks great, finally a gamecube inspired controller with matte front buttons. I hope they'll be able to distribute it to Europe too.
if you're gonna intentionally give it an octoganal stick gate they might as well have just made it "pre-notched" in a sense.
Seen this and was hoping it was for the GameCube as well but still looks awesome
why... why would you make the buttons not match the gamecube? whats the point not doing those?
That thing is sick!! QQ what do you use for Wii U play. Im trying to find something better than the wii u pro controller knockoffs and the gamepad. Let me know!
How are you able to make captions for every video?
I just want a double confirmation from someone that this has gyro and rumble because it isn't mentioned on any description anywhere...
The Controller: S button can do smash attack, short-hopped aerial, or a short-hop Me: THERES A SHORTHOP BUTTON!!!!!!
Holy crap, this controller is great for players who are trying to enter the competitive Smash scene!
Unfortunately the exact opposite is true; this controller is banned from tournament play because the S button is multiple button inputs bound to one button and those macros are banned
Have you been posting less, or is UA-cam hiding you from me. Nice seeing you again.
This controller was clearly meant for casual smash or local fun with friends. All of y’all that’s hating on this controller are missing out for sure. I have one and the control functions are solid !
How is it 7 months later?
GameCube had an outstanding Controller tbh even by today’s Standards set. I totally forgot just how good of a Controller that actually was.
The main down side was the lack of buttons. It was missing 4 inputs compared to the Xbox and PS2 which made some ports just impossible.
As much as the analog triggers with the tactile digital stop were great at the time, IMO their travel is just way to long to be useful anywhere that doesn't need analog input. Super Mario Sunshine? Amazing. Any Smash Bros. game after Melee? too much.
cant wait for wulfden to review this
We need more controllers for fightinggames... because its flashy and cool right?
Only problem with this controller is that it's illegal for smash tournaments. The S button is a macro and those are banned in all brackets, so I wouldn't recommend it for smash if you're at all interested in competing
This would be perfect for me when I played smash. I hate the GameCube controller for not having digital buttons on the rear, but I hated not having the gates when playing with the pro
The layout might also be good for indie games that lazily port it with the Microsoft layout. So A is jump when it should be B. It's a little awkward with a normal layout, but this layout looks ideal
Some people have different preferences on what letter a button should be. That's why there is more than one videogame company that is really big.
3rd party controller that looks like a gamecube one, tends to break down faster.
as much as i love the gamecube controller, i love the wii u pro controller more, but just wish it have those octogonal gates like the wii and gamecube controller has.
when playing "smash bros, for 3ds and wii u", i have to make the "y" button = special moves and "b" button = attack, similar to "smash 64" where the "b" button is on top of the "a" button on the n64 controller. also used it like that in "smash bros. ultimate" (never like that version much) and on dolphin emulator for "melee" and "brawl".
How do the buttons and build quality feel? Does it feel cheaper than the official Pro Controller?
that's what I asked but I also have not been answered
@@snichelsticks8653 @MerryBlind It is incredibly high quality. Checkout my teardown to see for yourselves. I don't like this controller because of the button layout, but it's quality is absolutely high.
Pressing two jump buttons at the same time allows you to short hop
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I think it should be views.
@@therealmariofan good point.
I think if they went with the same ABXY layout as the original controller, this would have been an instant purchase for me
But I like their take on the overall outside shape of the controller
I just wish it was also able to work with a gamecube and wii with a different cable like the smash box.
Wait... what? No abrupt ending to the video?
Believe it or not, I like using the GameCube style controller for shooters.
why?
@eric Spencer ok that answers my question thanks!
@eric Spencer sadly unless it has a wii/Wii U port I can't play it. I don't own the game cube
@eric Spencer oh ok then I may be able to get it at a later date thanks! also do you own the controller in the video?
@eric Spencer k thanks for the help
Using the a and jump buttons at the same time is probably going to be rough
If the Turbo button didn't turn the whole deal into an abomination I would've gone for it.
I ended up buying a pro controller shell for notches.
switch pro controller is perfect except for the sticks. if you add the omnidirectional sticks from the gamecube controller (and optional paddles) it would be the perfect controller
The monitor behind you has smash symbol reflected onto it
This controller looks cool... But the issue is that due to that S button it most likely isn't legal in tournament, which kind of kills the product as something marketed to super smash bros ultimate. As a competitor, I would buy this controller if that button was removed.
Finally got it used on smash ultimate no problems later I’m going to try this on other games but for shooting games I’d use my other controller why turbo button so you blast the enemies with little to no damage to character.
I don't know, looks like it would be awkward to hit the Y button over X and B. Personally I like to make X shield, even if that's not the case for everyone seem like a odd design flaw to have a button like that.
Most ppl that take smash seriously toggle jump to a trigger making this controller irrelevant. Plus the macro button wouldn’t be allowed in tournaments and wouldn’t really be fair going up against your friends. If you want to short hop just learn how don’t buy a controller for it
It’s only $30 let people buy what they want
@@mario7832 idc what ppl buy I'm just giving my opinion 😂
Bluetooth support could have been added to the Switch with a basic update but they left it out for 4 years! At least we have it now
Yeah, Nintendo was even considering doing it at first, but decided not to. I emailed them asking about it and they said something like "We are considering adding universal Bluetooth controller support". Sucks. I wonder if it's something that can be added via homebrew.
Do the joysticks click in like a button ?? I only ask because my current game cube controls dose not
I've always wondered how bad or good the GameCube ABX and Y layout is like if you had a regular controller in every other way and then the GameCube face buttons would that be bad or would that be better? My little pixel recently showed a PlayStation controller shaped but with the GameCube ABX and Y along with octagonal joysticks so I guess that's the best way to test it?
Very interesting, I'll give it a try next time I smash my gamecube controller
I know this is random but I would love to see a company make one of those OG fat Xbox controllers. For people with big hands (or long fingers like me) it was great 👍🏾
That already exists look it up. Unless you meant for Switch specifically.
A big improvement would have been making the c stick a proper same sized stick as the left one.
There's literally zero point in making the c stick smaller on any level.
Ackshuly, the c stick is smaller so your finger doesn't touch it while pressing the b button
@@blackghostcat that didn't happen on the orginal. You could mod it and put a second stick like the left one. And it never got in the way. Not for me anyway.
@@user-ky9ou5dz9q idk about that
So I trained short hops for a long time and now they give me a button 😒
Well I'd like 1 but with a different color.
Should've made a darker purple or in my case a red.
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How to now if it's a good controller
The official one exists,
but this is pretty dope ngl
Do the sticks have the eight "rails" inside mechanically for the 8 directions like an actual GC controller or does it only have the gate notches? Kind of an important point.
EDIT: Apparently the sticks don't have the rails, only the notches.
What do you mean by rails? What do they do?
@@Lethamos It's hard to understand without having an actual GC controller in your hands, but imagine there was a line going from each 8 "notch" to the center of the stick. The mechanism of the stick makes it so that the 8 lines guide the stick to stay on/in them. There's like resistance in-between those lines that makes the stick want to stay in the lines and move from line to line when moving the stick around. Whereas a normal stick would feel consistent throughout its whole range of motion.
That's part of the reasons why the GC stick is so precise for those 8 directions; it's not JUST the notches you see around the stick but also the inside mechanism.
@@MerryBlind Pretty sure that's just in your head. The way analog sticks work is by having two axes of rotation, vertical and horizontal that tell the console where the stick is in relation to center. Older controller designs like the gamecube, aren't designed to be as smooth, making vertical and horizontal directions easier to get spot on. My proof, I've taken apart my controller before and just did as a sanity check. Up and down as well as left and right are very natural, but diagonals are only smooth once you go to one of the cardinal direction.
@@KyleDavis328 Yeah you just described what I'm trying to describe but in a different way. They're not actual "rails". I've also taken apart my controller I've seen the stick and all that. All I'm saying is you can definitely feel that the 8 directions are easier to do than not doing the 8 directions. The stick "guides" you to stay in those 8 lines but you can still go anywhere in between them; it's still a fully analog stick.
$30 is outstanding considering 1st Party wireless sell for $60
Unfortunate for me having gotten used to X being my jump button and Y being grab.
yup same here, lol. i blame it on the naruto clash of ninja games being my favorite fighting games, and they have Y as the grab button, lol! ever since brawl let you adjust the controls i just made grab Y and never looked back.
this was pretty interesting, but I'll stick with my PowerA gc-style controllers
I once played thps on PlayStation and I found it awful because I was so used to the GameCube controller with it’s eight direction joystick
I'm on the fence about getting it since it's most likely not tournament legal
I can't find anywhere else information regarding rumble and motion controls. Can you confirm?
That’s cool love ya dude
can it be used as a wired controller? I know you can plug it in but will it use the wire or still use wireless.
I wonder if this would be picked up or allowed in pro scenes, or if only licensed controllers will be preferred by players and those running the pro scene.
Not with that S button; anything with Macros would likely be banned pretty quickly (even if there are already existing ways to make that stuff easier in-game).
I kept looking at the controller and it kept bothering me. I had to prevent myself from commenting until 8 minutes into the video to see why the button layout was the way that it is but I just don't like it even for smash.
Yeah, it's bad for Smash. I can see it being useful for other games, but not Smash.
Damn those analog sticks would be very helpful for playing Tekken or Virtua Fighter
Using the analog sticks in traditional fighting games is pretty dumb lol, it only works for Smash
is a short hop button shortcut legal in competitive play?
This controller is amazing for cup head too
They just announced a new GameCube style controller.
Who, Nintendo?
I would genuinly purchase this oml
Highly discourage that. If you want GameCube, this falls short.
Urgh....
Look.
The idea is splendid, the controller looks good, the colours are pretty and the love the "GameCube, but all buttons are round" approach.
HOWEVER.
Love...why make the "A" button bigger, but keep it to the side?
Why didn't you have the "B" button be a tad angled higher, like on an original GC pad?
C'mon...I understand the logistics, as this controller probably uses the same contact rubber so many others do, but still...
To me it feels like a halfway commitment (mind you I wound NOT want them to do "X" and "Y" like a GC controller, much less "Z"). Just look at that wasted space between the centre of gamepad and the right buttons.
Note: I don't mind the C-stick, though I would rather have it be the same size as the left, with the grip ridges on top, but yellow.
hey Kevin any switch controller that mimic the layout of the WII U pro controller i love the wiiU controller but it doesn't have the features of the switch controller
Nintendo already solved the short hop issue by making x+y a short hop shortcut
I don't get why an 8-way gate is better than a dpad, wish it was supported better in smash