Any idea what the steel on the shaman is? Heard its 8cr13 from one place and cheap chinese d2 from another. And that maybe the ones based on exclusive versions are like 9cr. Not alot of info out there.
Happy to see more clone talk. That Shaman looks good. One of the fun parts of these cheap knives is tuning them. Those sticky deployments and hard edges and whatnot. Polishing the washers and filing away rough lines. That's a large part of the enjoyment. My first knock off was a Sebenza made by Green Thorn. I love that knife. It wasn't til much later I was able to get my hands on the real deal. They were insanely similar. There is a subreddit, chineseknives, where clones are the main topic of conversation. Just in case you were unfamiliar. It is pretty active. There is a lot of good info there since you are going to continue with the clones. Thanks for the vid.
The manix 2 clone needs broken in and tweaked a little. I have batoned wood with it. Skinned some fish done some food prep. Used it as a work beater. Holding up just fine for moderate tasks.
That benchmade adamas looks damn near spot on. I have the real one that was gifted to me for doing some patio work. I may pick up a false adamas to compare. Great video buddy
The jade scaled Shaman is in m4 and is an older BladeHQ exclusive. U can atleast look them up now. Those scales arent the same color, but overall, it doesnt look too bad.
I picked up the micarta shaman, but it’s on bearings, the real shaman is on super smooth washers, you can see the lock and certain areas of the jimping and grind isn’t as straight as the real one.
I highly highly recommend you try the Temu Rockstead fixed blade, it’s a $160 on Temu but the real one is 3500, it does a have a perfect mirror polish convex ground blade, it comes with the same sheath as the real one, and so far it has held an edge for a very long time, it’s advertised as using zdp-189 at 66-67 hrc, which is where zdp-189 should be heat treated to. I’ve used for bushcraft including batoning, it feather sticks like a dream like every other convex knife I have.
@KingDeadpool3883 my bad. I scheduled the video and got busy and forgot. I'll get some links added shortly. Also the problem I'm running into is a lot of these knives show discontinued when I try to find them so I can only link similar ones.
I like Temu. I like Temu knives. I like that I can try out classic knife designs for basically nothing; if I really like something, I might buy the genuine article, though (like you) I'm way too cheap to spend more than $200 on any knife. It's a great way to test the ergos. It's a great way to get the experience of the look and the feel. But make no mistake: these are all counterfeit products. They are not over-runs, they are not made in any kind of corporate affiliation with the American companies, they are made to sell on various web sites (Amazon, eBay, etc.) pretending to be real, for full price. Tens of thousands of Americans are in on this scam, so be aware! None of these have authentic packaging, none of these have the steel that they're labelled with, it's all fake. Some are actually pretty good knock-offs, and they're pretty decent knives; others are just worthless; but they have nothing to do with the original products, other than being really good fakes. At least when you're buying on Temu, you know (or should know) that you're totally getting a fake product; what scares me is that lots of people buying on Amazon, eBay, and other sites are unknowingly getting the same fake products at much, much higher prices. Caveat emptor!
Currently sold out. The Para Military 2 is under "knife C223" for anyone who's interested. The Bodacious is under "sdc263 knife" That page will bring up more Fake Spyderco's.
I have the Ka bar. I bought it from the army surplus. I was thinking its fake or super budget. Either way sub $20 and a decent knife. Good lock too! Feels secure.
Hi! Try opening that sebenza clone without pressing/ touching lock bar. Many frame lock knives (legit ones too)may not open smoothly or open at all if you accidentally do that.
@@appalachianknifereviews I am the opposite. As a kid granted times have changed, but I grew up around my dads knives but not for my own. He had all sorts of automatics and switchblades and whatnot. But then again I appreciate tradition a lot. But too I use knives for reasons. Like my old timer large trapper I use to skin and whatnot with animals I hunt. Kinda hard to get these blade shapes unless you spend a lot of extra dough for it in non slip joints
I had the legit Manix that that one is replicating and another regular g10 manix and I definitely noticed a difference in the blue CTSBD1 one and I just didn't like it and ended up giving it to my oldest son. He loves it though and the Manix is a knife he has multiples of. That 1 just wasn't for me. Too light. I prefer it be a little heavier.
In all fairness to the manix 2 copy the lightweight (or at least the one I got) kinda felt like that at first too. The actions worn in and now it's really smooth but felt really disappointing at first. And mines a real one with maxamet that I got a few years back. Really regret not getting one of the G10 models.
The Teemu knives from before are not the same as now the majority of the knives are shipped from local places and Amazon sellers so they have to be a little bit better it's hard to find a knife on Temu that is shipped from China anymore in fact my last order was delivered by amazon. 😅
looking at the video the manix doesnt look bad. Spyderco never released a LW S30V manix, which is how I can tell these were not manufactured by knife enthusiasts.
Maybe instead of buying the counterfeit knives from them, report the counterfeits to Spyderco and Benchmade ect, so that they can pressure them to remove them.
After your last video I almost purchased a bm taggedout from temu. Never have purchased any clone/knockoff knives. Wife said not to order from temu because potential account hack. So I then told her it was her fault for spending 330$ on a new knife lol
You do realize you an tune all those knives that won't flip open. I have 2 of those CR knives. After running the they flip so we'll they look like automatics. Tune Them
So here's the lowdown on what I have heard and read, some are clones yes, some are factory 2nds, some are Chinese knives. The United States just does not have the tooling for pocket knives anymore except for a few companies that's why most companies have their knives made in China because it's cheaper and more economical for a company to make knives in China. So, with temu your never going to know what your getting. Clones in Chinese made knives you can tell for sure what they are, Factory seconds you'd never know except by quality build.
My dude, I carried Temu knives for 10 weeks for a video series. They're as bad or worse than you think. Only 2 of them were truly passable, and even then still gas station grade.
@@aidenpeeler1366I have it and carry it pretty regularly till I order my izula 2 the metal seems pretty soft but it’s not terrible for general daily use but I wouldn’t use it for anything serious
@@appalachianknifereviews hopefully others criticism will at least make you reflect on yourself and what your actual morals are. Never justify supporting the enemy to your freedom.
on the shaman, you don’t need glasses to see that the writing on the blade is all janky. you couldn’t open one properly. i don’t even want to know what type of tin are the blades made of. don’t want to spend the money on the originals? then buy cheaper knives, you can find originals at really any budget nowadays. you can’t say about that fake sebenza that it looks good, it’s not their design 😂
honestly gross that you would use an affiliate sponsor for clearly fraudulent copies that are sold in boxes that try to trick people into thinking they are real. its one thing to review fakes its another to peddle them to your audience, that violate multiple companies patents.
he clearly made sure to let us know these are fake, and definitely not representative of the quality original knives provide, but are okay knives for the price on temu
@jakubr2769 it doesn't matter that he let us know. these are illegal frauds not just copied designs. they are sold in fake packaging to trick customers into thinking its the real product. Theres a huge diff between selling knock offs and fakes. these are fakes and he could be sued for peddling them on YT by benchmade or spyderco.
I picked up the micarta shaman, but it’s on bearings, the real shaman is on super smooth washers, you can see the lock and certain areas of the jimping and grind isn’t as straight as the real one.
Adamas: temu.to/m/u4objig1tmq
Shaman: temu.to/m/ues7pbvbuef
Any idea what the steel on the shaman is? Heard its 8cr13 from one place and cheap chinese d2 from another. And that maybe the ones based on exclusive versions are like 9cr. Not alot of info out there.
I carried the real benchmade admas on deployment while an infantryman in the Corp myself. Worked great but i definitely wouldn’t edc one
Happy to see more clone talk. That Shaman looks good.
One of the fun parts of these cheap knives is tuning them. Those sticky deployments and hard edges and whatnot. Polishing the washers and filing away rough lines. That's a large part of the enjoyment. My first knock off was a Sebenza made by Green Thorn. I love that knife. It wasn't til much later I was able to get my hands on the real deal. They were insanely similar.
There is a subreddit, chineseknives, where clones are the main topic of conversation. Just in case you were unfamiliar. It is pretty active. There is a lot of good info there since you are going to continue with the clones.
Thanks for the vid.
The 2 Shamans I got were smooth as silk right out of the box with zero blade play. Ive had real Spyderco's that werent that good.
The genuine Crooked Rivers have an issue with "grooves" in the stabilized wood handle scales; I'm curious whether the knock offs have smoother scales?
On that Shaman the pivot screw is the wrong size I think . the spacing on the clip screws looks off compared to mine .
The manix 2 clone needs broken in and tweaked a little. I have batoned wood with it. Skinned some fish done some food prep. Used it as a work beater. Holding up just fine for moderate tasks.
I can't find the Spyderco shaman on temu. What did u search to find it?
Here is one of them: temu.to/m/ues7pbvbuef
Would you consider Cold Steel Temu knives?
@@Fr_dG not if you buy them from Cold Steel. It's only a Temu knife if you buy it from Temu.
That benchmade adamas looks damn near spot on. I have the real one that was gifted to me for doing some patio work. I may pick up a false adamas to compare. Great video buddy
@@Razor6On3 let me know if you do. I'd like to see them side by side.
The jade scaled Shaman is in m4 and is an older BladeHQ exclusive. U can atleast look them up now. Those scales arent the same color, but overall, it doesnt look too bad.
Is the shaman still available?
I found another listing. temu.to/m/ues7pbvbuef
I picked up the micarta shaman, but it’s on bearings, the real shaman is on super smooth washers, you can see the lock and certain areas of the jimping and grind isn’t as straight as the real one.
I highly highly recommend you try the Temu Rockstead fixed blade, it’s a $160 on Temu but the real one is 3500, it does a have a perfect mirror polish convex ground blade, it comes with the same sheath as the real one, and so far it has held an edge for a very long time, it’s advertised as using zdp-189 at 66-67 hrc, which is where zdp-189 should be heat treated to. I’ve used for bushcraft including batoning, it feather sticks like a dream like every other convex knife I have.
In the video description it says this video has affiliate links but I see none? Links in the description. None.
@KingDeadpool3883 my bad. I scheduled the video and got busy and forgot. I'll get some links added shortly. Also the problem I'm running into is a lot of these knives show discontinued when I try to find them so I can only link similar ones.
I like Temu. I like Temu knives. I like that I can try out classic knife designs for basically nothing; if I really like something, I might buy the genuine article, though (like you) I'm way too cheap to spend more than $200 on any knife. It's a great way to test the ergos. It's a great way to get the experience of the look and the feel. But make no mistake: these are all counterfeit products. They are not over-runs, they are not made in any kind of corporate affiliation with the American companies, they are made to sell on various web sites (Amazon, eBay, etc.) pretending to be real, for full price. Tens of thousands of Americans are in on this scam, so be aware! None of these have authentic packaging, none of these have the steel that they're labelled with, it's all fake. Some are actually pretty good knock-offs, and they're pretty decent knives; others are just worthless; but they have nothing to do with the original products, other than being really good fakes. At least when you're buying on Temu, you know (or should know) that you're totally getting a fake product; what scares me is that lots of people buying on Amazon, eBay, and other sites are unknowingly getting the same fake products at much, much higher prices. Caveat emptor!
The markings on the blade of the Shaman don't look etched at all. And if they are the etching isn't deep enough.
Currently sold out. The Para Military 2 is under "knife C223" for anyone who's interested.
The Bodacious is under "sdc263 knife"
That page will bring up more Fake Spyderco's.
@@akbuilder7626 Bodacious: temu.to/m/ulxiu1iic3j
The fixed blade winkler, and the z wear knives are impressive. They cost a bit more , 50 - 85$$
Could you measure in ounces for us Americans?
I have the Ka bar. I bought it from the army surplus. I was thinking its fake or super budget. Either way sub $20 and a decent knife. Good lock too! Feels secure.
Interesting, Runes in the left corner of video.. thanks for the review
Mjolnir around my neck and valknut earrings in my ears.
I owned a real Crooked River.... it was amazingly smooth. It's really nice.
Hi! Try opening that sebenza clone without pressing/ touching lock bar. Many frame lock knives (legit ones too)may not open smoothly or open at all if you accidentally do that.
Honestly I feel like an Amazon slip joint haul would be fun.
Man, as a kid I had nothing but slip joint knives and I very rarely buy one at all anymore.
@@appalachianknifereviews I am the opposite. As a kid granted times have changed, but I grew up around my dads knives but not for my own. He had all sorts of automatics and switchblades and whatnot. But then again I appreciate tradition a lot. But too I use knives for reasons. Like my old timer large trapper I use to skin and whatnot with animals I hunt. Kinda hard to get these blade shapes unless you spend a lot of extra dough for it in non slip joints
@@comradecracker447 you see my video with the Civivi Appalachian Drifter I and II. The I is a slip joint.
@@appalachianknifereviews I didn’t even know civivi made slipjoints. I will the vid out lol.
GEC makes the best slipjoints on Earth. They are stunningly perfect.
I'd love to see more fixed blade clones!
I had the legit Manix that that one is replicating and another regular g10 manix and I definitely noticed a difference in the blue CTSBD1 one and I just didn't like it and ended up giving it to my oldest son. He loves it though and the Manix is a knife he has multiples of. That 1 just wasn't for me. Too light. I prefer it be a little heavier.
In all fairness to the manix 2 copy the lightweight (or at least the one I got) kinda felt like that at first too. The actions worn in and now it's really smooth but felt really disappointing at first. And mines a real one with maxamet that I got a few years back. Really regret not getting one of the G10 models.
The Teemu knives from before are not the same as now the majority of the knives are shipped from local places and Amazon sellers so they have to be a little bit better it's hard to find a knife on Temu that is shipped from China anymore in fact my last order was delivered by amazon. 😅
Let me add they are still made in China just that they are shipped and stored here before being delivered
@@edgee400 yes. Many of mine have shipped from within the US.
The jade scales are easy to dye !
Definitely need a link to that Shaman! That thing is beautiful.
When I look for it now says discontinued.
@@appalachianknifereviews dang it!
@PizzaParty83 ill try to find some similar today.
@PizzaParty83 closest I can find so far. temu.to/m/ui944jqxrjo
looking at the video the manix doesnt look bad. Spyderco never released a LW S30V manix, which is how I can tell these were not manufactured by knife enthusiasts.
Good info. This is exactly why I wanted to make these videos so knowledgeable guys can help those with less knowledge about these things.
Were you able to add links? Great video, thanks!
Ha ha, no. Everyone of those knives show discontinued when I go back for the link. I'll try to find something similar this weekend.
@@Spurrific13 try this one: temu.to/m/ui944jqxrjo
That shaman is a blade hq exclusive with m4. I paid 254 bucks for the real version. That clone looks extremely close
@@bigrube420ify thank you. I kinda thought it was an exclusive somewhere but wasn't sure.
The real Adamas has more contoured scales and the real one comes with nylon sheath but it’s not a crappy one like the one in your box.
Spydercos shouldn’t need a “fling” flip.
@@StevenMoney that's more on me than the knife.
Maybe instead of buying the counterfeit knives from them, report the counterfeits to Spyderco and Benchmade ect, so that they can pressure them to remove them.
@fatmangaming2720 I'm not the internet police. These are widely available on Temu. I'm sure they know.
After your last video I almost purchased a bm taggedout from temu. Never have purchased any clone/knockoff knives. Wife said not to order from temu because potential account hack. So I then told her it was her fault for spending 330$ on a new knife lol
@buckintherut.8156 lmao. Well played sir. I've been order from there for a while (1 year plus) and no account hackingm
the shamon knife was “discontinued”
@Brooks0511 just keep watching, it will show back up. It happens all the time on there.
@@appalachianknifereviews thanks !
You do realize you an tune all those knives that won't flip open. I have 2 of those CR knives. After running the they flip so we'll they look like automatics. Tune Them
That knife is gonna go in a box or draw and never see the light of day again. ha ha. Bought strictly to make these kind of videos.
Sebenzas are tough to work. Not that tough though.
@@bryan1976 this one is impossible to flip open. Have to use two hands basically.
@appalachianknifereviews I have an inkosi and if you put any pressure on the lockbar it won't open. Then still it's a slow roll open.
So here's the lowdown on what I have heard and read, some are clones yes, some are factory 2nds, some are Chinese knives. The United States just does not have the tooling for pocket knives anymore except for a few companies that's why most companies have their knives made in China because it's cheaper and more economical for a company to make knives in China. So, with temu your never going to know what your getting. Clones in Chinese made knives you can tell for sure what they are, Factory seconds you'd never know except by quality build.
@@crazy4the2ndjerrymills17 I've seen these comments a lot. The difference probably quality control
@@appalachianknifereviews I believe so.
Switch your scale to ounces lol.
My dude, I carried Temu knives for 10 weeks for a video series. They're as bad or worse than you think. Only 2 of them were truly passable, and even then still gas station grade.
@@knivesiguess thanks for your experience with them. Some are for sure junk. Some will be just fine for the average user.
have you done a review on the temu fake of the benchmade hidden canyon?
@@aidenpeeler1366 ua-cam.com/video/AwABYKO3tp0/v-deo.htmlsi=D1NuV8EfaJmFcegx
@@aidenpeeler1366I got one, it’s great, I haven’t really pushed it to see what get edge retention is like.
@@aidenpeeler1366I have it and carry it pretty regularly till I order my izula 2 the metal seems pretty soft but it’s not terrible for general daily use but I wouldn’t use it for anything serious
Also if you don’t want to spend big money don’t pickup a Benchmade to review.
My dude here shilling for counterfeit knives which hurts the country they supposedly love.
I served in the United States Marine Corps. Some random person making comments on UA-cam won't change who or what I'm about.
@@appalachianknifereviews hopefully others criticism will at least make you reflect on yourself and what your actual morals are. Never justify supporting the enemy to your freedom.
on the shaman, you don’t need glasses to see that the writing on the blade is all janky. you couldn’t open one properly. i don’t even want to know what type of tin are the blades made of. don’t want to spend the money on the originals? then buy cheaper knives, you can find originals at really any budget nowadays. you can’t say about that fake sebenza that it looks good, it’s not their design 😂
I have plenty of the originals. I didn't say that it was a good looking Sebenza. I said it was a good looking knife. There is a difference.
This is just wrong.
Stop buying clones !
Tell Benchmade to stop price gouging and I will.
honestly gross that you would use an affiliate sponsor for clearly fraudulent copies that are sold in boxes that try to trick people into thinking they are real. its one thing to review fakes its another to peddle them to your audience, that violate multiple companies patents.
he clearly made sure to let us know these are fake, and definitely not representative of the quality original knives provide, but are okay knives for the price on temu
@jakubr2769 it doesn't matter that he let us know. these are illegal frauds not just copied designs. they are sold in fake packaging to trick customers into thinking its the real product. Theres a huge diff between selling knock offs and fakes. these are fakes and he could be sued for peddling them on YT by benchmade or spyderco.
I picked up the micarta shaman, but it’s on bearings, the real shaman is on super smooth washers, you can see the lock and certain areas of the jimping and grind isn’t as straight as the real one.