TTF BANDS ON AN OTT SLINGSHOT. BAND LIFE TIP!

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  • Опубліковано 21 лип 2023
  • aftershooting ttf bands and seemingly getting longer life out of them, I decided to try some TTF bands on an ott frame. the goal was to see if we get more shots out of them, but in the process, we discovered something. in interesting band life tip.
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  • @Mikeypaulslingshots
    @Mikeypaulslingshots 11 місяців тому +12

    I agree with everything you said 100% man. Your the man at delivering legit, easy to understand, solid information

    • @zachslingshots
      @zachslingshots 11 місяців тому +1

      Dude I never realized people tie different for ott or ttf 😂

  • @simpleshot
    @simpleshot 11 місяців тому +6

    Thank you, Mark! It is great to see other shooters come to the same conclusion as we did after testing. You are 100% correct that it adds to the band's lifespan without affecting accuracy. This is why our bands are all tied TTF. Keep up the great work!

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +2

      Hey, thanks for stopping in and commenting. Yup, definitely no difference.

    • @nathangrueber9834
      @nathangrueber9834 7 місяців тому +1

      Hi there i also had a question since watching this episode. Are the bands breaking at the knots also because obviously the poutch flaps around after wards that maybe the bandsets too powerfull for the ammo. Wasted energy to me spells excess bandslap.

    • @nathangrueber9834
      @nathangrueber9834 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@ATOMarkhi there i just asked nathan at simpleshot above. Too powerfull bands fir the amo equals excess energy to resolve. Or poutch breakage

  • @SurvivingThisCruelWorld
    @SurvivingThisCruelWorld 11 місяців тому +3

    Great video Mark. When I first started using Crystal string, all my knots were coming undone. Err on the side of tightness! I am primarily a TTF shooter and am just starting to tie my bands, so I was happy to hear you say that TTF bands work great on OTT too. And yes, longevity is where's it at!

  • @shaunwild8797
    @shaunwild8797 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for taking the time out and sharing this with us.

  • @cubotpowerphip834
    @cubotpowerphip834 11 місяців тому +3

    Wet the knot at pouch after tying for the first pull so knot moves into place without damaging bands. Leave to dry. Don't cut band tabs too short at the pouch.
    Happy shooting

  • @JohnVentarino-ey5ln
    @JohnVentarino-ey5ln 6 місяців тому +1

    U totally impress me with your shooting skills buddy.

  • @rgilroy1909
    @rgilroy1909 11 місяців тому +2

    Mark, great "deep dive" into band tear. TIP 1) moisten the knot (spit) before pulling tight. Much like tying fishing knots.
    TIP 2) Use amber belt to get a "tighter" knot. Crystal String will cut into the rubber if over tightened, it also breaks more easily. Personally, I only use CS for light set ups, like BB shooters

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      You see I switched from amber belt because it was cutting my bands. I do moisten the knots. I am thinking about switching to constrictor knots and giving that at try with all cotton string.

    • @kennethseio7346
      @kennethseio7346 9 місяців тому

      I've been using a .8mil 'crystal sting or stretch nylon from wally world in the craft dept. it's cheap and all I've needed is a constrictor knot with one overhand,never breaks or cuts. Regular crystal string is .1mil I believe. I tie my bands ott for long draw &attach to frame V side down. TTf may have some longevity advantages,although I haven't noticed any early failures way I tie mine.

  • @JohnVentarino-ey5ln
    @JohnVentarino-ey5ln 6 місяців тому +1

    You are one hell of a shot my friend.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  6 місяців тому

      Thanks man.

  • @allenaviation5746
    @allenaviation5746 11 місяців тому +2

    Cool video. I've always done the tri-fold for all band sets, even for OTT. I figured that when you stretch bands to full draw, of course they'll align but what sold me was viewing the pouch when holding the frame horizontal and just letting bands hang down freely. The pouch was still horizontal and the tri-fold just seems like a stronger option. Perhaps with heavier bands or doubled bands, that tiny bit of extra pouch twist may have some negative effect.

  • @forkshootertb96
    @forkshootertb96 11 місяців тому +1

    Nice job!

  • @mattriley798
    @mattriley798 11 місяців тому +1

    I did by accident for a good few month before I really started to "learn" and gain knowledge. Can't remember if I experienced issues but I was still getting my head around everything. I know now, and I make my own bands. It's still handy to know though, for the odd time I'm out and my options are limited. Cheers big fella 👍

  • @theslingden
    @theslingden 11 місяців тому

    great info buddy!

  • @axsomoutdooradventures
    @axsomoutdooradventures 9 місяців тому

    Great video.

  • @Omega-Slings
    @Omega-Slings 9 місяців тому +2

    👊 Omega Slings subbed 👊

  • @emmanuel4902
    @emmanuel4902 11 місяців тому

    Excellent video 👍

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks bro

  • @Slinginskint-.
    @Slinginskint-. 11 місяців тому

    Always great shooting always information that counts
    Well worth watching as always 👍👍👌you nailed it . Slip knot not good nothing shouts more 😂😂 get it 👍not good

  • @northeastslingshot1664
    @northeastslingshot1664 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Mark! New Hampshire checking in.
    New Snipersling green? I just ordered.
    Stay safe bub!

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      Yes sir. Ite them good and tight or band life will just be ok

  • @tanner2stryker2
    @tanner2stryker2 7 місяців тому +1

    Put your band and pouch in the jig rap your Amber belt flat and rap twice loose then pull tight fir a further 4/5 then tie off with two knots putting the too loose first protects the band from the hard constriction of the belt 👍

  • @SonoraSlinger
    @SonoraSlinger 6 місяців тому

    I wish you where my grandpawpaw. Just educated the sh17 out of me. Thanks a million!

  • @SteveSmith-hh5kr
    @SteveSmith-hh5kr 11 місяців тому

    Hi Mark. Iv only been shooting for a bit hence all my questions and I totally appreciate your feed back and all your help thank you 👍. I shoot OTT and started with TTF bands I also tried the OTT bands and for me I couldn't tell the difference but I'm new to this .. I do know when I was using the TTF bands with only clay I did over 1000 clay balls with my first band set but maybe because they are light weight🤔

  • @threestarsandasling
    @threestarsandasling 11 місяців тому

    Awesome shooting Mark! Never had an issue of mangled pouch ends of my bands with SimpleShot black. I switched to the South Wales Catty bands for a smoother draw but they would slip at the pouch no matter how hard I cranked on them with Amberbelt or Crystal String or a constrictor knot. The solution was; 1.) I tied the pouch like Wayne Martin's. 3 loose wraps, then 6 really tight ones in the middle, capped off with a square knot and 2.) I noticed the SniperSling microfiber Shark and pit pouches I was using would make tiny cuts on my bands due to the tiny holes, and the latex constantly rubbed against it every shot . I switched to the small SimpleShot pouches with bigger pouch tying holes, so now my maxxed SWC reds last really long without slipping issues and I get longer band life. Hope this helps brother!

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I used to use the belt and I did the same thing. Did some loose wraps then tied it tight. I used to even pull on the edges to roll up the edges of the belt to stop it from cutting into the bands. Worked like a charm then problems. So I switched to the string and it worked like a charm for a while but it seems these smooth bands like jinpu, gzk clear green and these snipersling green give me the same problem. With yellow no problem.

  • @noisebox9529
    @noisebox9529 2 місяці тому

    Video idea for ya: Because you've identified the pouch tie as a weak point perhaps you could try Crystal string vs Amber belt. My theory is the texture and flatter profile of amber belt will result in fewer micro tears near the pouch, even if the knot slips.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  2 місяці тому

      Ya I thought the same. I originally used amber belt and switched to Cristal string because of the same woes. I am now useing 1mm cotton butchers twine and having massive success.

  • @jordanrobb7326
    @jordanrobb7326 11 місяців тому

    ty sir i have been trying to figure out the difference for a wile too.

  • @tonykenaston4048
    @tonykenaston4048 11 місяців тому

    Fine line between stretching enough or too much when tying pouches. I shoot TTF bands on OTT frames often, works great.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I know! I was stretching them too much when I first started out I dialed it back a little and solved the problem. Now it seems like they are making elastic more smooth and I am having trouble finding the sweet spot. Elastic like bsb seem to have a little texture to them and seem to hold better. This snipersling, gzk transparent green and junpu seem to give me the same issues.

  • @user-cr4jy7md8o
    @user-cr4jy7md8o 6 місяців тому

    Hi mark just wanted to say a big hello and a thank you for getting me into catapulting after watching your UA-cam channel
    I've only been catapulting a week but it's fun and and helps with my depression so thanks anyways i was wondering what speeds you are getting from the snipersling green band and at what tappers

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  6 місяців тому

      Hi my friend. I haven't really done any speed testing on the green bands yet. I was having problems with odd breaks then I got too busy and had to take a break from shooting. I would suggest using a constrictor knot for pouch attachment. I think it holds better. I have had better luck with constrictor knots.

  • @mrln247
    @mrln247 11 місяців тому

    Informative testing.
    Pheasant head distance game is one of my favourites.
    I use roughly the Catty Shack method, but finish with wrap and and tuck as the knot scuffed my cheek, use a few more wraps than many, 6-7 tight ones. I think it's harder to avoid the slipping when you get closer to max on a band set as there's no give left and I personally prefer how flat the simple fold sits most of the time, but it's useful to know for wide bands in a smaller pouch hole.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I love that pheasant head. The ones on the wire spring are fun too. Ya it these were close to maxed I wouldn't have a problem with 235 shots. But they are not even close to maxed. I got a full 6-8 inches of extra stretch.

    • @mrln247
      @mrln247 11 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark I used tube cuffs for ages but they need to be fairly long to not slip so also tried a backup constrictor knot over the centre of the cuff.
      These days I use the amber belt but do the 3 soft looser wraps and then a bunch tight on the centre, more wraps=more clamping pressure I added until nothing slipped.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I thought of doing a cuff with knot. Just seems like too much work. Just cuffs alone slip a little for me because I almost max out my bands. I am going to give the constrictor knot some good testing and see if I can find a better option than Cristal string.

    • @mrln247
      @mrln247 11 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark Heard of a few guys using archery whipping twine, double constrictor knot holds harder. You could also try some of the fishing hook knots.
      Way back near my beginning I used a whipping type knot with dental floss I found it in a Chinese video.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I have a set going pretty well with a butchers cord constrictor knot that is doing really well. I may continue useing it.

  • @nedreiter3869
    @nedreiter3869 7 місяців тому

    Very useful info: thankyou. I also have a question: I am shooting TTF these days, but have a number of OTT bandsets that I don't want to go to waste. Could I use these TFF, or would I need to retie the pouches TTF style?

  • @sawemshotem
    @sawemshotem 11 місяців тому

    I tie "TTF" bandsets for ott frames and find no difference at all. Great shooting as always!

  • @LZslingshots
    @LZslingshots 6 місяців тому

    👍🏻

  • @chriscraft1245
    @chriscraft1245 11 місяців тому

    Thank you Mark. Great video. I question my self when I tie TTF band vs OTT. Does it make a difference if you shoot TTF on which orientation you tie???
    I just went back to TTF. Struggling getting my folds nice and tidy on TTF.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      No idea I don't shoot ttf very often. Actually I don't think I shot ttf this year lol. I don't see why you could inter change one and not the other though. Give it a try.

  • @Northstar-Media
    @Northstar-Media 9 місяців тому

    What determines the best for spread/ width for a person & whats a good width fork to start with ? 85mm or 90mm fork width .

  • @ChuckinSteel
    @ChuckinSteel 11 місяців тому +5

    Yep, sliding knot = broke band

  • @mattbatstone2825
    @mattbatstone2825 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi Mark I've tried this before. Never had a problem. I've been using . 55 green south wales cattys. Which is great and very accurate, but doesn't last nearly as long as other brands. Cheers

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      What are you useing to tie your pouch on? I love that .55 elastic.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      Have a look the next time you have a set fail and see if the knot is slipping like in the video.

    • @mattbatstone2825
      @mattbatstone2825 11 місяців тому +1

      Crystal string. I was suffering from the knot moving so tied tighter. They are failing inside the pouch hole. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for your time

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      Wow, I have never seen that. I wonder how that happens.

    • @mattbatstone2825
      @mattbatstone2825 11 місяців тому

      I though the inside of the pouch might be sharp. It wasn't. If I figure it out I'll get back to you. Thanks again

  • @whoarewe7515
    @whoarewe7515 11 місяців тому

    Nice catty and bands.

  • @lerosh2226
    @lerosh2226 5 місяців тому +1

    Yo guys,,good vid,,,and what frames are they,,and where can they be obtained,,,rgds Lesrobert

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  5 місяців тому

      Titan hunter.
      www.catapultcarnage.co.uk/product-page/titanhunter
      Spitfire:
      facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083302570952&mibextid=2JQ9oc

  • @briggsy3155
    @briggsy3155 9 місяців тому

    Great video mark thanks 👍 is it a bad idea to use ott bands on a ttf frame

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  9 місяців тому +1

      No idea I have never tried.

  • @isaem5571
    @isaem5571 11 місяців тому

    Hey, Great video, I was curious I have yellow and green snipersling bands, but nothing to measure shooting speeds, I'm sure the green is in my case more elastic than the yellow, But in performance I don't know, what do you think? An upcoming test?

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      I have done speed tests with the tallow and they are some of my favorite bands. As for the green I need to so some more testing before I review them. I have been having band life issues with the green. Once I figure out why I'll review them.

    • @isaem5571
      @isaem5571 11 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark ok ! Super (:

  • @martinamarie231
    @martinamarie231 10 місяців тому

    Hi Mark can I have your thoughts on the green as apossed to the yellow and black please

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  10 місяців тому +1

      Yup. For me yellow is still the best good speed and best longevity. Green is nice but it seems to be hit and miss with the band sets. Black is still the fastest I believe but longevity is poop

  • @BT-st4ho
    @BT-st4ho 11 місяців тому

    I’m shooting full butterfly with 9,5mm steel on high speed. Ive tried to shoot it ttf, but it’s impossible. Bands break after 1/10 shoots on the place where the bands hit the frame after release. Rounding the corners of the frame gives me a couple extra shoots. With ott i get around 100 shoots

  • @nathanevans6331
    @nathanevans6331 8 місяців тому

    Do you think the opposite is possible shooting OTT bands on a TTF slingshot??cheers Mark.

  • @RisenPhoenix68
    @RisenPhoenix68 11 місяців тому

    Precise and simple-shot sell ready made band sets and they aren't marketed as ttf or ott. I've based my home made sets on the simple-shot band set ups and used them either way with no problem. Interesting.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      Yup I used to get simpleshot bands when I first started out and was confused because the community was saying there were ttf and ott bands. I had always just made the ott sets for ott and ttf for ttf. I had found on my ttf frames the bands seemed to last a little longer so I gave it a try on my titan hunter. It shot flawlessly. I think it really makes no difference at all.

  • @jimf1964
    @jimf1964 4 місяці тому

    Anyone got any advice on stores in canada that have decent related stuff for sale? I hate having to order from the US. Takes a long time, and sometimes get hit with customs. Oh, amd does anyone sell tapered bands already made up? I’m not really interested in getting all set up to make my own right now.

  • @asdrubalpoker7069
    @asdrubalpoker7069 11 місяців тому

    Hey Mark, After testing so many slingshots wich would be your first 3 picks to take to a competition ?

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      That's easy. Titan hunter, companion and Cygnus from Prime fork

    • @asdrubalpoker7069
      @asdrubalpoker7069 10 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark you really like the 90mm wide. Lol

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  10 місяців тому

      Lol yup. I think 90% of my slingshots are 90mm.

  • @sdc9593
    @sdc9593 11 місяців тому

    I find the crystal string has caused my bands to rip or break at the pouch so I went back to the thicker amber belt for both pouch and fork ends and have had less breakage at the pouch.

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      Ya I used the belts but found it was cutting my bands

  • @actualsurfer
    @actualsurfer 10 місяців тому

    Question...What slingshot forum are you on if any? Where are all the cool kids hanging out?

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  10 місяців тому

      Slingshotforum.com and occasionally on slingshot community. Seem to be the best spots I have found.

    • @actualsurfer
      @actualsurfer 10 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark Thank you. I just joined both last night "4130 Tactical" is my handle.

  • @Target2828
    @Target2828 11 місяців тому +1

    I shoot ttf bands on ott and ott bands on TTF and never noticed a difference mate either in fact iv got in my head I shoot better actually doing this iv got some videos on profile with this as proof there no difference it’s just a myth 👊🏻👊🏻🎯 wicked vid mate 🇬🇧

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks,glad you enjoyed it. Simpleshot sells their pre-made bands set up for ttf I think. Like you I am convinced there is no difference.

    • @JoseTorres-rx3ib
      @JoseTorres-rx3ib 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I agree totally for my shooting I don't see a difference

  • @matthewrimmer8616
    @matthewrimmer8616 11 місяців тому

    Hi Mark what pouches are you using

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      I think they are called gill pouches from snipersling.

    • @matthewrimmer8616
      @matthewrimmer8616 11 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark cheers buddy ill give them a try

  • @BasaysayTv
    @BasaysayTv 11 місяців тому

    How about using rubber tubing at the pouch?

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому

      I have tried using cuffs and they slip because of the way I tie my bands.

    • @BasaysayTv
      @BasaysayTv 11 місяців тому

      @@ATOMark but some say's they're not having issues on that method

  • @alandavies2180
    @alandavies2180 11 місяців тому

    Wen u get a cheep Chinese frame they come with these bands im on about one is straight and one has a twist in it so wen u put it on ya ott frame u dont have the twist in the bands

  • @alandavies2180
    @alandavies2180 11 місяців тому

    That y I don't use crystal string coz it slips like u showed all the time and there is a way with ttf bands to not get that twist in them the Chinese do it alot but can't remember how to do it now I think u put one side through normal and one upside-down I think am not sure if Jordan smuothers r his mate that did a video on it

    • @alandavies2180
      @alandavies2180 11 місяців тому

      I'm trying to find the video so people don't fink iv gone crazy coz I'm not explaining it right

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +1

      One of my buddies showed me the trick. I found it a pain to tie. Considering the bands shoot this well I don't think I would bother.

    • @jakkek238
      @jakkek238 10 місяців тому

      @@alandavies2180Do you mean pre-twisting bands when tieing?

  • @delrichardson8365
    @delrichardson8365 4 місяці тому

    Which slingshot is this

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  4 місяці тому

      Titan hunter

  • @Jb429421
    @Jb429421 11 місяців тому

    I hate this video!!!! Only because I've had a mental block forever with not being as consistent with ttf bands shooting ott 😢. I don't like to hear the truth that it's just me 😂😂.
    Anyway, one possibility is that shooting a ttf frame, the bands rebound thru the frame instead of smacking the front of it, increasing longevity? So it doesn't matter as much which way you tie them as much as frame/shooting style?
    You could test this by tying two identical ttf band sets and shooting one on a ttf frame and the other ott?

    • @ATOMark
      @ATOMark  11 місяців тому +2

      Bro I had a mental block too. Shit I wore glasses for my first shots. 😳