2024 CFMOTO 800NK: Best VALUE Mid-Nakedbike?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2023
- Let’s talk the CFMOTO 800NK models, which will be arriving in Australia shortly and honestly are delivering an impressive package and loadout at a super competitive price, in somewhat of a KTM clone, with some decent tweaks to make it their own. Would this be a smart alternative to a 790 Duke? Let’s find out.
The 800NK engine, a 799 cc parallel-twin is based on the 790 KTM and runs a 285-degree firing order for a more characterful ride and performance, helping offset the fact that parallel-twins are often considered boring.
That performance hits 100.8 hp at 9000 rpm, and torque maxes out at 81 Nm at 8000 rpm, and for all intense and purposes this is a KTM 790 clone, putting out slightly reduced power and torque, and including a slipper clutch.
A ride-by-wire throttle allows for ride modes, including Street, Sport and Rain and cruise control, but interestingly traction control is missing.
On the standard Sport model there’s a five-inch TFT, but on the up-spec Advanced version you get an eight-inch TFT, plus quickshifter, Apple CarPlay, Keyless Start, and steering damper.
Impressively the 800NK models are claimed at 186 and 189 kg respectively, Sport and Advanced, and that’s a wet weight figure, although it’s not specified whether that’s fully fuelled or not, with a 15 litre fuel capacity.
Another area that’s quite impressive is the suspension loadouts, which is shared between the two bikes and are from KYB, with a 43 USD fork with full adjustability and 130 mm of travel, while a KYB shock offers rebound damping and preload adjustment, also with 130 mm of travel.
J.Juan provide the brakes, 320 mm front rotors, and four-pot radial calipers, while the rear is a 260 mm rotor with dual-pot caliper, backed by Bosch ABS.
Another detail is the 795 mm seat height, which is significantly lower than the 790 Duke, by 40 mm in fact and will offer a much more inviting perch for most riders, while an accessory 820 mm version is available for the taller rider or those after a roomier ergo, with less worry about reach to the ground.
Pricing for these two models for Australia are $10,990 ride-away for the 800 NK Sport, and $12,490 ride-away for the Advanced with the extras, which are staggeringly good buy-ins for the loadouts, and backed by a three-year warranty.
Images courtesy of CFMOTO, by amaupuigphoto
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Great review Kris. Thank you. Really getting tired of all the “not touching anything from China” when they lack the intelligence to understand why. The quality of products coming out of China today is simply miles ahead of what even Australia can produce. As someone who has now had over 70 business trips to Chinese manufacturers they have come a long way in a relatively short time period that first started in the late 90’s/early naughties. Today they are miles ahead. The days of relying on expats to assist is long gone.
At the end of the day they are producing components used in essentially everything so it is really inescapable, especially if you're buying on a budget. Consumers demanded cheaper products and bigger profits for their share portfolios, and China took advantage when so much production was over there to catch up. Like everything you just have to be informed about what you're buying and see if the product quality and price, plus expected reliability matches your expectations.
@@MotoJournoKris and not make outlandish statements backed by ignorance. I know you can’t say the absolute truth on your channel and need to choose words wisely so you don’t offend the ignorants.
The base model is the one. 5'' TFT set the right way around and fatbars. Plus, it isn't keyless. Tremendous value. And it's got a fabulous headlight. Nick J
Definitely be my pick of the two!
Great review mate, cheers - any idea on width ( for lane splitting etc )
Seems like it's 810 mm, which isn't the narrowest, I think my old 675 was about 700 mm in comparison. It's similar to bikes like the MT-09 and Z900 though.
@@MotoJournoKris cheers mate!
Interestingly, it’s 5 year warranty in EU for this model and 3 year for the lower cc bikes.. Nevertheless, the bikes look really attractive exactly as you described it and I think we all agree that the screen is too big, kinda the opposite of MT-09. I had no idea they will refresh these models and they actually look really good, kinda similar to MT-07 headlight, but better.
Cheers 🙂
I think, in time the Chinese manufactures will be very popular with first time buyers globally and also will make big strides in countries such as Brazil, Mexico, and South Africa. In the US, KTM will be the driving force behind CF Moto as well as MV Agusta.
Yea, I'd say so. I think they definitely appeal in markets where people can't spend as much on bigger bikes. Although that's also true with many younger riders everywhere.
im bout to get a new bike next year, the 800NK is one of my choice cause the price is in my budget area.. also like the new GSX-8S but the price in Malaysia is expensive, RM50800 body price and 800NK at RM38888..and i prefer Honda Hornet but is it not available in my country..got others choice like Kawasaki Z900, but the price is around RM45000 a bit more from my budget (under RM40000). Duke790 is price at RM63000..so my only choice is 800NK and i prefer 800NK sport because not quiet like the tft on advance vers.. and i ask CFMoto, they said for Malaysia market only advance vers. is available..
That's a bit frustrating, I'd have thought if you only offer one, it'd be the Sport...
A great bit of information MJK! I was thinking between the up spec version & the 8S but eventually chose the 8S primarily because of traction control & brand. The CFMoto is a quality product & brand though & what you get as features. If they had used the engine from the 800MT Explore with traction control, it would be a no brainer. The styling is futuristic & tough👌 Something different similar to the 8S as compared to the cardigan Hornet😉
Yea the lack of the traction control was a bit of a head scratcher to me, maybe it's just me, but I'd take the traction control over ride modes I think. Congrats on the 8S, how are you finding it?
@@MotoJournoKris The latest 800MT is already equipped with the full-featured TCS provided by Bosch
That's why I was a bit surprised these didn't get the TC system. @@user-ez9rw5lm5w
Do you know if there are adapters for the License plate holders at the rear? i dont really like the "on the wheel"-like looks
Not sure at this stage, I'm not sure if aftermarket accessory companies will have gotten their hands on the bike yet, and they normally deliver on that stuff!
My first love was Japanese then comes Euro bikes. Been eyeing China bikes for quite some time but was concern of reliability and userbility. Didn't make the jump but seems like it's time to refresh my mindset and give them a chance.
I reckon it's always worth considering the options, even those that are a little out there. Even if you don't end up picking one now, I think they'll just keep getting better. Reliability would be my concern too, and maybe resale depending on how long I want to keep the bike for, but there's quite a few brands that share these concerns in my mind.
The 800NK is the best choice for its domestic market, import motorcycle prices are insane in China, for example, a Chinese assembled KTM 790D costs about $13k US, and the older imported 790 costs $19k US 😢 mind you, the average monthly income here is around 615 USD 😂 and the 800NK only runs for about 7000 dollars, which is a huge bargain for the domestic buyers
Yep, it's a great value option. Won't be long, with a bit more development it'll be giving the KTM a run for it's money.
Anyone have one of these? Wondering how well it does in real life - gear changes, engine, TFT etc...
I want 1
How much does the KTM 790 cost in Australia? ?
Not 100% sure, unlike almost every brand KTM don't list prices on their website here. I think they are about $15.5k plus on roads, so likely about $16.5-17K.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you very much. The price of 800NK in China is about US$6,500, which is not even half of the KTM 790. A large number of consumers are attracted by 800NK. 800NK, 800MT and even 450SR have a good reputation in China. Consumers in all countries in the world have the same high requirements when buying their beloved motorcycles. This can be used as a reference.
The problem is that there so many great bikes in the mid size category now. Everybody has skin in the game and they are all looking to win. I am having a hard time making a choice for my next ride
Very true, we're spoilt for choice these days!
I made up my mind I am getting the Sport version of the NK. It's the one we are getting in the US. And I will put on the KTM stearing damper and call it a day
What about traction control...?
No TC strangely enough...
Just give 800NK the TCS it deserves goddamnit!
Very strange that it's missing in my mind!
CFMoto have come on a long way over the last decade and TBH I would actually rate them for reliability above KTM if I’m totally honest. Cheap and plasticky … sure, but I never hear of them breaking down.
Now my problem with them has always been the engines. I’ve heard they’ve used various other companies engines under licenses in the past but overall their engines are just… fine. Not exciting nor inspiring, just fine. They’ve added all the tech in the world as that’s what is popular with SE Asian and S America buyers where they sell a lot but up until now the engines have been… yeah they don’t cash the cheques the styling writes.
So this should be interesting. On the one hand an engine co-developed with KTM sounds like a grenade with the pin half pulled, but the lower state of tune could be a good thing. It’s been widely reported that the Indian bikes using the de tuned 390 engines are pretty reliable and it was only the ones with the KTM tune that had all the problems, so it could be the same here.
So yeah, expect it to be cheap, with a lot of features, bit of a cheap feel but otherwise a pretty solid package… just as long as you don’t plan to sell it for 5+ years because they have a truly horrific resale value. The question is just the engine. Will it be another boring CFMoto engine? Will it be reliable? If it’s fun and more reliable than a KTM, I think it’ll be a banger.
Absolutely, CFMOTO are doing really well, and when you're pricing the way they do, I think there are definitely riders willing to make some compromises if the finish quality perhaps isn't quite as amazing as the pricier competition, I know I've certainly made that choice myself. The big question is the reliability, and I think the resale is definitely a consideration, and certainly here they get a good long warranty for additional peace of mind.
They "look" quite good don't they? Unfortunately the pricing is the dead giveaway as to what to expect from these apparent "champions" of value in the year(s) to come. Why so many people will buy an almost totally unknown and untried brand over the Japanese that are $13,450 ride away for the 2023 Hornet or the Yamaha MT-07 HO ($14,449 ride away), and the Suzuki GSX-8S ($14,190 ride away). Your claimed pricing for these two diamonds in the rough are $10,990 ride-away for the 800 NK Sport, and $12,490 ride-away for the Advanced. I just can't believe that people cannot either wait and save the extra money or suffer a slightly higher loan repayment for these types of intermediate bikes. It honestly shows how few potential customers actually go to the respective showrooms and look the bikes over with a fine tooth comb and an LED torch. If they did? Their decisions might be substantially different. Great video as always but I am not convinced to part with even 8K for these bikes. Cheers!
It’s such a shame when people blatantly rule out a bike made in China without any substantial to back it up especially when it comes with a longer warranty period than basically anything else does. You could simply say it’s history repeating itself as with what happened when bikes first started being made in Japan. If people are so against Chinese products then they would be walking around naked, not own a mobile, nor basically any car. Considering Tesla’s are now 100% Chinese made (with improved build quality over the American made ones), all iPhones and even my recently purchased Taylormade Stealh 2 Driver and GT putter. Do you cook, clean and watch TV? The list goes on and on and I wish people would simply face reality of life as it is today. Who’s at fault? We all are! The consumers dictate price. I’ll be lining up to test ride one of these as soon as they hit the showroom floor.
Yes I am saying a 100% Made In Japan motorcycle has my confidence over these new comers. Cheers.@@marcusgeorge1825
I think it really comes down to the individual rider, as value is subjective, and also styling probably plays a part, and I would say these NKs are some of the coolest looking options, although I want to see one up close. In that comparison I think the NKs are well placed against the GSX-8S and Hornet, the MT-07 is looking pricey - in lacking updates and clearly being a bit outdated in HO form, although it's a tried and true platform, and it's genuinely a great bike.
There's definitely a big portion of consumers which don't take the fine tooth comb and torch approach though, there's no denying that. And they are probably the type of rider who looks at potentially saving $3K and getting the Sport and being able to spend that on something else. At the end of the day if they like how the bike looks, are happy with the performance and features, and have no issues with their bike, then it's a good investment for them.
I know I certainly overlooked some details of the finish quality of the 401 I bought because it was essentially $1800 less than anything comparable (with a run-out deal), and was happy with that trade-off. But I know riders who would never make that compromise. I'd need to test ride the 800NKs to see whether I'd personally buy one over say a Hornet, as I thought that bike was amazing. Hopefully I get a chance to test the GSX-8S at some point too!
@@MotoJournoKris 👍
The GSX-8S is 100% out of Japan. The Hornet is CKD out of Thailand and I looked at both very closely and the Suzuki is in a different league than the Honda. However I get your point about people's budgets and perceived quality. You bought a 401? I looked at those too and I wish you well with it. Cheers.@@MotoJournoKris
bro, J.Juan was bought by Brembo before the make of the 450NK and 800NK in 2023, J.Juan is Brembo technology, best breaks ever also both 450NK and 800NK have traction control (TC)
Also, CFMOTO is on top of KTM with over 15 years experience on ATV'S and 4 wheels quads, also Yamaha technology is shared with CFMOTO, not only KTM, starting 2023, you are little behind with the news, like 2 years or so behind.... I've been CFMOTO user for past 3 years
J.Juan is owned by Brembo, that does not mean it is 'Brembo technology'. It's simply a cheaper brand, that is now owned by Brembo, more akin to Bybre. Neither are on par with actual Brembo branded brakes. CFMOTO produce a few KTMs, but are undeniably not ahead of them as far as motorcycles. Don't really care about ATVs/SSVs, not relevant to motorcycles. Yamaha just have a joint venture with CFMOTO, probably in order to be able to operate in China, solely for the Chinese market.
@@MotoJournoKris You have no idea or clue what you are talking about. We European companies and companies in the USA do as you say, they buy a cheaper company and they now have 2 companies one top and one cheaper. In Asian companies not, they don't do like that. They do joint venture contracts that include change of experience. For example Brembo bought J.Juan, they sent people from J.Juan to Brembo factories for 2 years on training, they changed some machines at the J.Juan factories and now they have people from Brembo as supervisors in 3 J.Juan factories, If you would test some J.Juan brakes after 2021 it is also physically visible . This is just an example, exactly like this they did with KTM and they are doing now with Yamaha. It is a company strategy they started in 2020. You remember this comment in 2025 when CFMOTO will be one of the top 3 Motorcycle producers in the world with sales that will overpass Honda and Kavasaki. Nothing personal, you took it wrong, I have a close friend working for CFMOTO... Things are even more complicated for a comment... The idea is that you are a little wrong not to observe their strategy. Anyways will not affect users, for users it is a good thing. Will affect competition and some big companies on the motorcycle market that are blind and they don't see what already hit them ✌️
@@MotoTrauma shut up
@@ramk88 you shut up, I won't. 👎