46:48 A reference to Leliana's Song, if you remember! Cole is one of the most fascinating characters Bioware ever did. Not least because he's full of weird references like that, and not just to Dragon Age stuff.
careful Mapo, if you start chosing what you say to your companions based on what they like or not, you won't realize something : sometimes, what you say do more than just pleasing them or not, it can also... change their mind.
I don't think it's spoilers to say that Cole appears in a book set before the events of DAI since the book was released before DAI to expand on what was happening in Orlais leading up to the Mages vote for independence. The Book is called Dragon Age: Asunder. It's an okay book if you want some interesting lore but technically this lore is also revealed during DAI. The only thing you don't get completely is an understanding of Cole's backstory. *Actually, there is one other big thing in the book that involves a character from DAO.
I love DA: Asunder. Great book imo, a favourite of mine and I don't usually read the companion novels. I read it for more Cole and fell in love with Rhys and Evangeline and the whole story.
What always throws me off is that the dwarf that speaks about templars at 43:09 is voiced by Arin Hanson from Game Grumps. Any time I hear one of his ambient lines I chuckle.
I've found that both Cole and Sera are easier to understand if you treat their dialogue like poetry rather than prose. They're full of allegory, references and double meaning. Whereas characters like Varric and Bull may be witty in their delivery, in the end what they say is so direct that you can almost feel their lines physically land sometimes. With Sera and Cole you sometimes have to take a moment to read their lines again and think about what the words could refer to.
For Mapo or anyone interesting, I'd heartly recommend reading ASUNDER, by David Gaider. Cole is introduced there, it's a very good book written by none other than the creator of the DA series himself, and it features a dear companion from DA:O in some very important events that take place before Inquisition! ❤❤❤
I don’t know if Mapo reads the Comments here, but if you want to know more about Cole, than you should definitely read the Novel „Asunder“ it’s a really good book
And this is why I was really hoping you would at least have the Alternate Timeline episode. This is the best Templar Quest in all the games, and even if you dislike them as an institution, you end up liking the characters and quest in my experience. Personally, I like Champions of the Just better than In Hushed Whispers, because I don't really like time travel being suddenly introduced. No spoilers, but there is one really good side cutscene that is unique to a Templar Playthrough, but it's not something you can get in a single Alternate Timeline episode since it relies on several Wartable missions. When you finish the game on your Mage playthrough, would you be interested in seeing that through like a UA-cam video?
@@Saintjav2 as the other guy said, I'm talking about the Templar War Table missions plus the promotion. Though I think it doesn't work if the Templars are conscripted, only allied. It's a surprisingly good reward for choosing to trust the Templars
Wow, the Templar ending was SO GOOD! Mapo is made of sterner stuff than me, I for sure would have kept playing that timeline (I've never seen this game before so this is quite a ride)
I think you missed something pretty important in Therinfall: the final entry of Envy's Dogma, as well as entering a room locked with the Lord Seeker's Key. It's not a big deal since this timeline won't be preserved, but worth remembering for the future.
Cole is one of my favorite companion! I just love him and I love how he talks. The little mysteries, truths, references! So cool. That must have been quite hard to write him like that and his VA is really good. He's strange, know no bounderies but I adore him. Sadly, he's quite hated by players :/
i really enjoyed that you chose to do the alternative timeline with the templars. i always go with the mages for story reasons but I prefer how the templar quest is written and wish more lets players would experience it
First, I really enjoy your content on the Dragon Age series of games. I haven't started to watch the first or second play yet, but I will over time. I'll leave you with this thought and perspective. Each of these paths through the game has a profound effect on the game's story downstream. There is no right way here, often as in real life we will be presented with many choices but in the end they all end up at the same place. Choose what you like, what fits your style and enjoy the journey. I am currently playing through myself again and have done what you are doing, asking how the story wind impacts the story if I make this choice vs. that one. Thanks for your referencing back to the earlier games as well. I have played the first, but never the second one. I recently bought the second one on sale so I could complete the whole series before the fourth one comes out. Kind Regards...
Gotta say I've been looking for a good playthrough of Inquisition pretty much since I finished playing it myself shortly after it first came out. Always got bored or was unsatisfied and stopped within the first couple videos until now. Great series, you've earned a new subscriber.
I love that you did this alternate timeline. I've always played the mages, but I've started a new game on my Xbox just to try the templars, now that I've seen what it's like. Knowing what comes later, it'll be interesting to see how it work with templars. Can't wait until you get further. Watching with bated breath! :-D
i love what cole says went ever you talk to him cole mentions stuff from famous movies like star wars and mentions stuff from the dragon age books this time in the video 44:44 for example it is from one of the books that book has cole in it
Hi Mapo. Really been loving watching your half life and kotor videos after recently discovering your channel. Just wanted to ask if you have ever played Jade Empire on the og Xbox. It was made by BioWare after kotor and is available through back compat on the series x. Think you would really love it as it has a lot in common with kotor story telling wise.
I really like going templars when I play simply because I like the idea of the inquisition rebuilding the order to what it was supposed to be: demon hunters and guardians against demons and blood magic, not mage jailors.
Yeah, I wonder why the idea of a Mage Divine gets Viviene's approval. Actually, I know why: it's because her mind immediately went "OH THAT COULD BE ME, YES I LIKE THIS IDEA!"
Glad Mapo got to check out the alternative. It's a lot of fun and the background knowledge in your pocket is cool. Oh and Mapo hasn't figured out something yet 😊😊😊 I'm looking forward to the forehead slap when he does
To me the mage preview of the future is amazing but in DAI i generaly sided with the templar mostly because i play a human non mage with your background is : you were raise to serve the chantry from there templar is the most logic choice.
I hope he keeps these two saves so that he can see the two different sides during *that one quest,*, he will absolutely recognize the one person. 45:22 Cole is such a good boy. 🥲💕
...I still think looting is profitable. If you don't want to carry all the "grey" stuff ...just leave it, but I definitely think you should take a peak into both enemy, chest and other types of loot places. Just grab what is worth taking :)
I hate the whole limited potion thing, I went into this damn battle with two! I’ve been able to beat every dragon age game without problems, however, this game gives me problems aplenty.
Dorian still joins you just joins you a little bit later in the next act you will see if you make a save for the alternate universe you will see both outcomes 👍🙏 make two saves and you will find out and if you do the mage side Cole joins later on
I don't think disbanding the templars is any better than making Mages as prisoners...either they both are free or they both are not....oppressing the templars is just as bad as oppressing mages...they both have a checkered past...
I’ll actually disagree, that the two choices are different. You aren’t taking the Templars prisoners after all. In fact the disband Templar option sounds far more positive and hopeful than the mages prisoner option. Then there are the contexts of what the mages and Templars were trying to do before hand. Mages wanted their freedom, voted for independence, and then had to fight a war in self-defense to not be killed by the Templars. The Templars…. wanted to “purge the mages”. They were both manipulated from outside forces, so that’s not much of the issue than their goals prior.
You're our prisoners. (Conscript the rebel mages into the service of the Inquisition.) Herald: "You will surrender yourselves as prisoners and conscripts of the Inquisition." vs. Then yield and serve us. (Convince the templars to disband and become part of the Inquisition instead) Herald: "If the old order is too broken to stand, then become knights under the Inquisition!" The two choices are not the same and calling it "oppressing Templars" is laughable as fuck. I swear, some people in this fandom try too hard to "both sides" this situation.
@@giverdend1416 I mean, both cases are exploitation. It's just that you exploit different things. With the rebel mages, you exploit their desperation. You know they have no idea where to go, so you make it seem like serving you unconditionally is their only possible way to survive. With the templars, you exploit their guilt. You know the survivors feel horrible about what the order as whole did, so you make it seem like serving you unconditionally is their only possible way to redeem themselves. Imo, neither of those two approaches are particularly benevolent. Sure, one is less overtly grim than the other, but still - at the end of the day, both are pressganging.
@@vaspeter2600 One "side" is people who are literally born a mage with no choice in what they were born as, the other side is an order of people with a political belief who can change said belief if they think on it for some time instead of "just following orders", who didn't even question said orders until their leaders started turning them into literal abominations. By default, you are not "doing the same thing" even if you were handing out the exact same sentence to either (which you aren't, btw). You really do think there are no differences between being quite literally taken as a prisoner versus being offered an actual position of power within a new military organization which you accept of your own free will, even though your entire order top to bottom should be tried for committing war crimes...?! Jesus. And you keep changing your position from "oppressed" to "exploited" to "pressganged", and I suppose next you think if Templars aren't handed a fruit basket and a thank you note for what they've done to the mages and the countryside then that's doing a morally impugnable thing. "Benevolence" has nothing to do with the decision you make with the Templars or the mages. Letting an order based on religious nutjoberry who deliberately turns its members into addicts run around the country is not benevolent to either the prospective members or the ordinary people outside the order, but at this point I doubt you even understand what the words you're using even mean, so long as you get to "both sides" the situation.
One thing I don't like is that the templar get no additional scene after the fact ya see them the first time in val Royeaux or see cole or least hear him talk to you or warn you that there could be something wrong with the lord seeker pryer to the big discussion who to ally with mean while the mage side ya see Dorian before hand understand what going on but more heavily pushes the player towards the mages since you can understand what there going though it's kinda unbalanced Story telling and plot lacking or giving a better choice how to handle the big decisions basically mages decided to join trevintor on there own free will when they all voted to go with them but templars got corrupted from the inside from top ranks by feeding them Red being controlled or under the chosen one as the mages still had their willpower or freedom to think I just didn't like how they don't give ya a better understanding the templar situation is at all
I feel like you did this alternate path too early in your let's play. This alternate path changes more than just the outcome of this questline, and would have been more meaningful at the end of the let's play.
This particular choice changes a LOT, though. Short of playing through almost the entire game twice, you can't really experience all the differences and he probably doesn't have the time for that much.
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Some things Cole says... make more sense later. Much later. Maybe even on a second playthrough.
Defintely. Or even on a third! Or fourth!
and with knowledge from the books and other media lol
46:48 A reference to Leliana's Song, if you remember! Cole is one of the most fascinating characters Bioware ever did. Not least because he's full of weird references like that, and not just to Dragon Age stuff.
careful Mapo, if you start chosing what you say to your companions based on what they like or not, you won't realize something :
sometimes, what you say do more than just pleasing them or not, it can also... change their mind.
I don't think it's spoilers to say that Cole appears in a book set before the events of DAI since the book was released before DAI to expand on what was happening in Orlais leading up to the Mages vote for independence. The Book is called Dragon Age: Asunder. It's an okay book if you want some interesting lore but technically this lore is also revealed during DAI.
The only thing you don't get completely is an understanding of Cole's backstory.
*Actually, there is one other big thing in the book that involves a character from DAO.
I love DA: Asunder. Great book imo, a favourite of mine and I don't usually read the companion novels. I read it for more Cole and fell in love with Rhys and Evangeline and the whole story.
It's established. No matter the timeline, don't play diamondback with Solas.
I love Cole to be honest. I'm autistic and I relate to him a lot.
That "Deal. With. It." moment from Cass just begs for those pixel sunglasses... 😄
DON'T PLAY DIAMONDBACK WITH SOLAS
You’ve been warned…
And we'll be back in the last episode to say it again 😂
Why not?
I always play diamondback with him, he beats me every time and I LOVE IT 😏
What always throws me off is that the dwarf that speaks about templars at 43:09 is voiced by Arin Hanson from Game Grumps. Any time I hear one of his ambient lines I chuckle.
I started calling that dwarf Arin whenever I play through this game. Definitely a pog moment for me hearing him the first time.
I've found that both Cole and Sera are easier to understand if you treat their dialogue like poetry rather than prose. They're full of allegory, references and double meaning.
Whereas characters like Varric and Bull may be witty in their delivery, in the end what they say is so direct that you can almost feel their lines physically land sometimes. With Sera and Cole you sometimes have to take a moment to read their lines again and think about what the words could refer to.
For Mapo or anyone interesting, I'd heartly recommend reading ASUNDER, by David Gaider. Cole is introduced there, it's a very good book written by none other than the creator of the DA series himself, and it features a dear companion from DA:O in some very important events that take place before Inquisition! ❤❤❤
I don’t know if Mapo reads the Comments here, but if you want to know more about Cole, than you should definitely read the Novel „Asunder“ it’s a really good book
And this is why I was really hoping you would at least have the Alternate Timeline episode. This is the best Templar Quest in all the games, and even if you dislike them as an institution, you end up liking the characters and quest in my experience. Personally, I like Champions of the Just better than In Hushed Whispers, because I don't really like time travel being suddenly introduced.
No spoilers, but there is one really good side cutscene that is unique to a Templar Playthrough, but it's not something you can get in a single Alternate Timeline episode since it relies on several Wartable missions. When you finish the game on your Mage playthrough, would you be interested in seeing that through like a UA-cam video?
What is the cutscene called? I sided with templars but i dont remember a special cutscene
@@Saintjav2 he's most likely talking about the promotion.
@@Saintjav2 as the other guy said, I'm talking about the Templar War Table missions plus the promotion. Though I think it doesn't work if the Templars are conscripted, only allied.
It's a surprisingly good reward for choosing to trust the Templars
Yaaay! Two days in a row! Can’t wait for the next main story part!!
Wow, the Templar ending was SO GOOD! Mapo is made of sterner stuff than me, I for sure would have kept playing that timeline (I've never seen this game before so this is quite a ride)
I think you missed something pretty important in Therinfall: the final entry of Envy's Dogma, as well as entering a room locked with the Lord Seeker's Key. It's not a big deal since this timeline won't be preserved, but worth remembering for the future.
I cannot wait for the S to be remembered.
Also remember--don't play diamondback with Solas.
Cole is one of my favorite companion! I just love him and I love how he talks. The little mysteries, truths, references! So cool. That must have been quite hard to write him like that and his VA is really good. He's strange, know no bounderies but I adore him. Sadly, he's quite hated by players :/
You need to talk to Krem in both timelines. You did to talk to Sera about mages.
Great Video, but never play Diamondback with Solas
If you want to find more about Cole read Asunder.
i really enjoyed that you chose to do the alternative timeline with the templars. i always go with the mages for story reasons but I prefer how the templar quest is written and wish more lets players would experience it
Mapo still hasn't realized that meeting the mages in Redcliffe the first time was only to set up the choice between the mages and templars.
Sera and Cole are and always will be my favorite characters in dragon age series
Sera is just hilarious and Cole is deep
First, I really enjoy your content on the Dragon Age series of games. I haven't started to watch the first or second play yet, but I will over time. I'll leave you with this thought and perspective. Each of these paths through the game has a profound effect on the game's story downstream. There is no right way here, often as in real life we will be presented with many choices but in the end they all end up at the same place. Choose what you like, what fits your style and enjoy the journey. I am currently playing through myself again and have done what you are doing, asking how the story wind impacts the story if I make this choice vs. that one. Thanks for your referencing back to the earlier games as well. I have played the first, but never the second one. I recently bought the second one on sale so I could complete the whole series before the fourth one comes out. Kind Regards...
Gotta say I've been looking for a good playthrough of Inquisition pretty much since I finished playing it myself shortly after it first came out. Always got bored or was unsatisfied and stopped within the first couple videos until now. Great series, you've earned a new subscriber.
Alternate timeline baby! Let’s gooo!
I love that you did this alternate timeline. I've always played the mages, but I've started a new game on my Xbox just to try the templars, now that I've seen what it's like. Knowing what comes later, it'll be interesting to see how it work with templars. Can't wait until you get further. Watching with bated breath! :-D
i love what cole says went ever you talk to him cole mentions stuff from famous movies like star wars and mentions stuff from the dragon age books this time in the video 44:44 for example it is from one of the books that book has cole in it
Hi Mapo. Really been loving watching your half life and kotor videos after recently discovering your channel. Just wanted to ask if you have ever played Jade Empire on the og Xbox. It was made by BioWare after kotor and is available through back compat on the series x. Think you would really love it as it has a lot in common with kotor story telling wise.
I second this. Jade Empire is wonderful.
Did you know? Don’t play Diamondback with Solas!
And remember the S. You will understand later 😁
Thank you for playing this alternative timeline
Haha :) Now I'm curious. I totally don't remember who S is :)
Don't tell me. It's just very interesting for me.
I really like going templars when I play simply because I like the idea of the inquisition rebuilding the order to what it was supposed to be: demon hunters and guardians against demons and blood magic, not mage jailors.
omg surprise consecutive upload i'm so excited
i wish there was a way to play both parts, recruiting both templars AND mages. Those not recruited being the extremists from both groups
Hey Mapo, loving your DA series. Are you going to watch the DA anime after Inquisition? Then maybe a review video?
Very cool ambient
Yeah, I wonder why the idea of a Mage Divine gets Viviene's approval. Actually, I know why: it's because her mind immediately went "OH THAT COULD BE ME, YES I LIKE THIS IDEA!"
You will see Cole again, and that is all I'm going to say,
Glad Mapo got to check out the alternative. It's a lot of fun and the background knowledge in your pocket is cool.
Oh and Mapo hasn't figured out something yet 😊😊😊 I'm looking forward to the forehead slap when he does
It’s crazy that Cole doesn’t tell us that Wynne is 💀
To me the mage preview of the future is amazing but in DAI i generaly sided with the templar mostly because i play a human non mage with your background is : you were raise to serve the chantry from there templar is the most logic choice.
Cole 😄 I like him. Even though I don't yet know him so well.
Hey Chris you might want to go back to Forest of Fallen Giants, you missed something there
So you had 3 mages, 3 warriors and 2 rouges; what did you think your final companion to be?
Since he at this point figures that you get either Cole or Dorian, he, like he said, expected him to be a mage
i will have nightmares about blackwall playing that game with solas lmao
Hehehe......yeah....of fucking course solas agrees with that choice....
and now your heart shall burn
I hope he keeps these two saves so that he can see the two different sides during *that one quest,*, he will absolutely recognize the one person.
45:22
Cole is such a good boy. 🥲💕
I love coke so much 😭💜
...I still think looting is profitable. If you don't want to carry all the "grey" stuff ...just leave it, but I definitely think you should take a peak into both enemy, chest and other types of loot places. Just grab what is worth taking :)
Mother Giselle is the GOAT, listen to her yall.
I hate the whole limited potion thing, I went into this damn battle with two! I’ve been able to beat every dragon age game without problems, however, this game gives me problems aplenty.
How is it the video was uploaded today, but comments are 7 days ago?
Patreon early access
I guess it was made available for everyone today, and people who donated to the channel could watch earlier.
enslave the templars now? thats interesting
Dorian still joins you just joins you a little bit later in the next act you will see if you make a save for the alternate universe you will see both outcomes 👍🙏 make two saves and you will find out and if you do the mage side Cole joins later on
He’s going to figure this out on his own when he continues the game, I’m glad he’s not reading these spoilers comments
I don't think disbanding the templars is any better than making Mages as prisoners...either they both are free or they both are not....oppressing the templars is just as bad as oppressing mages...they both have a checkered past...
I’ll actually disagree, that the two choices are different. You aren’t taking the Templars prisoners after all. In fact the disband Templar option sounds far more positive and hopeful than the mages prisoner option. Then there are the contexts of what the mages and Templars were trying to do before hand. Mages wanted their freedom, voted for independence, and then had to fight a war in self-defense to not be killed by the Templars. The Templars…. wanted to “purge the mages”. They were both manipulated from outside forces, so that’s not much of the issue than their goals prior.
You're our prisoners. (Conscript the rebel mages into the service of the Inquisition.) Herald: "You will surrender yourselves as prisoners and conscripts of the Inquisition."
vs.
Then yield and serve us. (Convince the templars to disband and become part of the Inquisition instead) Herald: "If the old order is too broken to stand, then become knights under the Inquisition!"
The two choices are not the same and calling it "oppressing Templars" is laughable as fuck. I swear, some people in this fandom try too hard to "both sides" this situation.
@@giverdend1416 I mean, both cases are exploitation. It's just that you exploit different things.
With the rebel mages, you exploit their desperation. You know they have no idea where to go, so you make it seem like serving you unconditionally is their only possible way to survive.
With the templars, you exploit their guilt. You know the survivors feel horrible about what the order as whole did, so you make it seem like serving you unconditionally is their only possible way to redeem themselves.
Imo, neither of those two approaches are particularly benevolent. Sure, one is less overtly grim than the other, but still - at the end of the day, both are pressganging.
@@vaspeter2600 One "side" is people who are literally born a mage with no choice in what they were born as, the other side is an order of people with a political belief who can change said belief if they think on it for some time instead of "just following orders", who didn't even question said orders until their leaders started turning them into literal abominations. By default, you are not "doing the same thing" even if you were handing out the exact same sentence to either (which you aren't, btw).
You really do think there are no differences between being quite literally taken as a prisoner versus being offered an actual position of power within a new military organization which you accept of your own free will, even though your entire order top to bottom should be tried for committing war crimes...?! Jesus. And you keep changing your position from "oppressed" to "exploited" to "pressganged", and I suppose next you think if Templars aren't handed a fruit basket and a thank you note for what they've done to the mages and the countryside then that's doing a morally impugnable thing.
"Benevolence" has nothing to do with the decision you make with the Templars or the mages. Letting an order based on religious nutjoberry who deliberately turns its members into addicts run around the country is not benevolent to either the prospective members or the ordinary people outside the order, but at this point I doubt you even understand what the words you're using even mean, so long as you get to "both sides" the situation.
One thing I don't like is that the templar get no additional scene after the fact ya see them the first time in val Royeaux or see cole or least hear him talk to you or warn you that there could be something wrong with the lord seeker pryer to the big discussion who to ally with mean while the mage side ya see Dorian before hand understand what going on but more heavily pushes the player towards the mages since you can understand what there going though it's kinda unbalanced Story telling and plot lacking or giving a better choice how to handle the big decisions basically mages decided to join trevintor on there own free will when they all voted to go with them but templars got corrupted from the inside from top ranks by feeding them Red being controlled or under the chosen one as the mages still had their willpower or freedom to think I just didn't like how they don't give ya a better understanding the templar situation is at all
Why are you still not targeting?
Eh, he's playing on Normal difficulty. On that setting you can beat the game easily without getting into advanced tactics.
I feel like you did this alternate path too early in your let's play. This alternate path changes more than just the outcome of this questline, and would have been more meaningful at the end of the let's play.
This particular choice changes a LOT, though. Short of playing through almost the entire game twice, you can't really experience all the differences and he probably doesn't have the time for that much.