Two years later this motor is going strong ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBZWgzfpS2Jj7JqIHyaSZjyVHNUgCKCBf Just uploaded a video of it after 2 years. We use it probably a dozen days each year on our small raft.-original review- We got this motor the other day and tested it out. I don't have anything to compare it to, but it seems good to me. It has all the features advertised - the motor housing is metal. We will see how it performs longer term and I will revise this review if needed. Some initial observations:- Good thrust, moves our boat around really well- It comes with a circuit breaker but no switch - so there's no way to kill the motor other than yanking the connection off the battery. I installed an inline switch.- The mount bracket is plastic and I worry it might break- There are a number of plastic parts that I worry about, but the most important ones are metal or some kind of composite
My first time Kayaking and this Kayak held strong. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx4k5UrhC3v_Y4hIEaXLGvHcN5a5aBmZNB The water got pretty rough as a speed boat zipped by me, and the Kayak withstood it (I expected to be capsized). The Ores are very easy to put together, the pump worked beautifully. the seats are a bit hard to sit in after a while (I recommend sitting on the floor). after reading the reviews I was very scared it'd get a hole in it, the material is very strong and durable. The Air valve may need a small Phillips head screwdriver to adjust, other than that, it's well worth the money!(update)I've gone Kayaking in 3 Lakes and 2 rivers totaling about 40 miles. the kayak had two holes and they patched easily and no other problems can't wait for kayaking season this year!
Thanks for your post. My 24 lb thrust Watersnake (very light) pushes my 14" Hornbeck at 4.4 mph and my 34 lb Newport, which feel like it weighs twice as much as the Watersnake, only gives me a top speed of 4.4. The difference, the Newport hacks through the weeds much better. Power comes from a 50AH lithium battery.
very great and informative video. thank you. i plan on gettimg the 55lb endura max for a 15 ft john boat in the small lakes , ponds, and reservoirs that gas motors are not allowed in. this was the only video amongst many many others that thoroughly explained not only specific power to the max but the differences vs the 35.. thank you.
i forgot to mention, the side wheels to transport the porta bote to the water are used as extra floatation. i use just the tire and rim wedge in-between the pontoon center and the other wheel with the strut is used to transport the pontoon since i don't intend to deflate and reinflate the pontoon. my Tacoma 5.6 bed will accommodate 3/4 of the pontoon and the remainder can be strap to the truck sides rings. just lift the light end onto the truck-bed and slide all the way. the two smaller pontoon fit just right at the wheel well housing. i have tried to upload this on youtube channel, not sure why my tablet won't upload. anyway, your video gave me great idea on relocating the troller on the pontoon. thanks, bob
I put on a Kipawa propeller on my Endura max 45. It has three blades. I get more speed and more range per charge. And it is 99% weed free. It's a fantastic up grade to my trolling motor.
@@thebowtiefisherman5718 what's up buddy, nah but I found one on amazon that looks identical to the one he's talking about in the video. Here's the link ... www.amazon.com/MKP-6-2061125-WEEDLESS-WEDGE-Category/dp/B00P0D9MBU/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=minn+kota+wedge&qid=1592162161&sr=8-5 Good Luck!
Thank you for not making the decision for us and giving a top speed anyway even knowing the variables are endless . And actually thats pretty common for a good trolling motor setup to go just under 4 mph on a tiny craft. Even john boats.
Minn Kota motors are not speed rated... they are torque to weight rated for the type of boat they will be pulling/pushing and the type of water... in essence, an Endura MAX 45 is made to push a larger boat at the same speed that, say, a Endura MAX 30 would push a canoe... at aprox. 2mph... therefore, the EM 45 on a canoe might get you an extra 1mph has more torque then speed application which is why it cuts through the weeds easier... they are also designed to be more efficient "pulling" a boat from the bow.
Great review. Thanks. Just purchased a Minn Kota Endura Max Freshwater Transom Mount Trolling Motor. Thrust 55 for a Sun Dolphin sportsman. Really excited to get off the banks.
Hi Carl, I just purchased a sun dolphin sportsman and min Kota 45 lbs thrust troller to go with it. Thanks for the valuable info. Can’t wait to get on the water
Great video. you definitely keep it real! I think i will need a 62lb thrust for my inflatable 10’8” dinghy. total weight will be around 700 lbs with 2 people, gear, coolers, etc.
good job very clean I like. I started with 30 lbs went up to 40 next 45. I do feel the difference. now I put a 3 hp gas 12 mh. I also use it with a 5 hp 20 mh with 3/4 acceleration. very fast.
I bought a Newport Vessels 46 lb. thrust and it works awesome on my sportspal at almost half the price of the Minn kota endura max and it also has a battery gauge and the handle feels more solid than the Minn kota also.
Finally someone is showing us the real way to see how trolling motors work .thanks so very much for your time in demonstrating how a 46 series motor looks and really works on the water.just subscribed. Keep making videos like this very very helpful when trying to make a decision on buying a motor.GREAT JOB👍👍👍👍👍LONNIE FROM CALI😀
you can wrap a ranger band aka an old bike tire tube around that metal clamp and transducer cover to keep those weedless as well. excellent channel +1 sub here.
You put a lot into this video, and it shows. Thank you. I'm in the market for a trolling motor and the details you provide are extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thank you Bruce for taking the time to leave a comment and let me know. Appreciate it man. That's what its all about for me....I know I look to people here on UA-cam to help give me info when I'm looking to make my own purchases. Very glad this video is of benefit to you in your own research.
I was gifted a minn kota c2 30lb for Christmas for my 16ft kevlar canoe. I am hoping that it will work well with an overall load of about 400-450lbs(boat gear and 2 passengers). I like the idea of the shorter shaft because I do fish mainly rivers but also flat water, but I am still nervous that the 30lb thrust wont cut it.
thanks for the video. very helpful as I am mounting the endura max 40 to my mad river adventure 16. don't think I will be able to stand up and drive LoL
Great review thank you! It was the deciding factor of my purchase of the 45. Waiting for delivery now. I''m surprised it didn't give your canoe a port list. Hope I have the same results with my Saranac.
Love the power of my new Max 55 over the old 30lb thrust I had. But the pulse circuits the Max uses absolutely hammers my Garmin down view fish finder, unless the trolling motor is off or at max speed. I originally purchased this motor to mount the transducer on the motor as well. I've also tried two other locations for the transducer, but all get the same interference, even up to six foot away from the motor. Also the weed guard prop will cut your top speed down a bit.
Interesting on the weed prop and speed. I hadn't considered that, but its fine for me. Its slow either way :P and I'm much more interested in getting through cover with more ease. Regarding the feedback, you run your Garmin off the same battery as the motor? Just an FYI I run my sonar from a separate battery and still get feedback. I was advised by Lowrance to connect the negatives of each battery common to each other and that helped.
I was wondering, what do you mean by feedback ? did you mean sonar interference ? Also i was confused by "connecting the negatives of each battery common to each other" ? How fell does your fishfinder work with your current setup ?
Thanks great video as always.Im over in Rhode Island , Im gonna be purchasing a Sportspal in a few weeks.Going all in this year with the swimbaits. Thank you for your videos Keepitreel. Billy
I have a transom mount 4 hp Merc on a 17 ft Grumman and it is a wild man. So much weight off the side and any slight turn will lift the bow and nearly put me in the water. So I’m thinking of selling that and picking up an electric like the one you reviewed. I’m amazed at how stable your canoe appears but I suspect the elimination of that much weight off the side and much less thrust would do it. The combo was inherited and wasn’t for fishing it was for working up river. Anyway can you confirm stability under thrust? I expect you place the battery to balance out the load? I’d probably put it opposite side under the front seat with a heavier gauge wire. You seem to be standing comfortably which is amazing to me. I’d like to dry fly off the canoe standing but it’s enough to justify a change to a jon boat. Would a pulling configuration be better mounted in the bow?
nice video, especially the transducer installation. I bought a canoe (SportsPal 12') and Newport Vessel 46 trolling motor last year and this year I'm looking to buy a fish finder. not sure which one just yet. nothing really especial. I'm also looking to upgrade the blade to help with heavy grass. I got caught a few times last year and I'm sure it could do better. The motor is pretty powerful. If you have any tips on those please let me know. Thank you
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Was wondering about the differences between the C2 and the max thanks for explaining also do you think a 55 you would actually get more top speed. Or just more low-end torque. I am a little concerned as well with more stuff going on under the hood more stuff to go wrong.
I think the limitations even on very narrow and lightweight craft on the top end speed is the limitations on props and prop pitches available for these trolling motors. You take a #45 or #55 trolling motor on the back of a 14 or 15 foot, 48" wide flat bottom aluminum jon boat with gear and the weight of the hull and say 2 full grown fishermen versus that same motor on a 12 or 13 ft long kayak with one 170 lb. guy and a couple of fishing rods the motor would be capable torque wise of pulling a lot more pitch on the prop which could greatly increase the top speed without putting undue stress or more stress on the trolling motor than the same motor would be subjected too on the heavier with more drag jon boat. I really think the speed limitations on these super lite low drag vessels is more because of motor rpm limits and available prop pitch's not the motors power output. Yes, you gain a slight amount of additional speed with the more powerful motor but very little when you consider the bigger more powerful motors increase in available torque and power over the smaller motor. Also playing with load and weight and prop pitches on lightweight low drag craft it would be in my line of thinking that you could operate the motor at a lower rpm and perhaps gain even more efficiency battery use wise while still reaching the acceptable cruising speed a higher rpm would require with the lower pitched stock props. To keep it simple say you cruise at 3mph with the out of the box prop on a low drag lite weight vessel and it requires 50% power setting to maintain that speed, if you could run a higher pitch prop and run that same 3mph speed at only a 40% speed setting would it not make sense the battery would last longer at the 40% speed setting? Granted these are all non planing hulls which drag will be more pronounced but still the weight and lower drag hull differences on Kayaks and Canoes should be significant enough of a difference that an out of the box motor propped to satisfactorily operate a 14-16ft long wide jon boat should be able to perform much better on such a lighter load with a better prop more suited to the type of load and work that is being ask of the motor in this situation. I would bet 80% of people using these motors on lightweight, low drag craft actually have a cruising speed below the maximum fastest obtainable speed they find is comfortable for long runs and that is where they usually run and would rate battery longevity fairly high as well. Give them a prop that would reach that speed at a lower power draw and increase their battery life at the same time most would jump on it. Not to mention if done right you would probably actually gain more top end speed capability at the same time. I know this is a super old post but it is just as relevant today as when the post was new.
hi KEEPIN, I just ran into your video. anyone may input if you have the experience. i sold my 14' porta bote (folding boat) but kept the minn Kota battery with the battery center and the 12v 55 lbs thrust minn Kota troller. now i purchased a 7.5' pontoon 4 pontoon floatation which give more side stability. it has a trunion for the troller but the blade would hit/cut the pontoon if the troller is turned more than 30 degrees if i put the motor at the rear end centered between the pontoon.. you gave me an idea of what may solve this problem. you set the troller on a sideway with an extension iron bar to mount the troller on the kayak. i need a clearer picture to see how this bar is mounted. i'll think of something that will not cause the troller lends the pontoon one-sided. thanks for your insight, bob
Never used the 40, and its only 5lbs thrust more. But, in my opinion go as big as you can. Its not something your buying regularly, and if it has no issues (mine haven't) you going to own it for years and years. So save a little more / spend a little more and go higher. While the 45 is good and cuts it just fine on smaller craft, if I was buying again I would go even bigger. I'm actually going to be putting on a Traxxis 80 on my other, slightly larger canoe....but thats another story.
KeepinItReelFishing thanks Carl ; for all the good info I really been enjoying all your reviews ; I followed your lead kind of on most things so far bought the sportspal 13 sq. transom, tucks up tight under bed cover of Tacoma ; I have a 34 lb. thrust and possibly will upgrade to the 45; just curious being new to baitcasting , mostly spinning in the past do you use braided with leaders or just go straight braided to your baits. thanks John
Always love when you have a new video out. What kind of battery do you run your lowrance on? I have a Radison canoe and would like to get a motor and fish finder rigged up in it. Thanks again and keep up the great work
the screw part of the hose clamp should have been positioned on top of the motor and it would be partially shielded by the shaft thus picking up less crap - just sayin
Nice video. Is the shaft on that adjustable up and down? I see you have your fish finder zip tied to it but if you didn't, could you adjust it up and down to increase or decrease the dept the prop goes into the water?
Hey Shizzy - absolutely, the shaft can be adjusted for quite a range of depths. Like you observed mine is limited by the fact that I have my wiring tied up to it, but thats only because I found the optimal depth for the motor (around 12") and then 'locked' everything in place knowing I will never put it deeper than that. But, without those zip tied in the way you have quite a range of adjustability.....I would say at least 30".
Just Incase you want to use that trolling motor again on something else an put your transducer on it you can very easily cut a notch out to make it fit if for some reason cutting that notch out bothers you you can also very easily mount a small peace of aluminum the side of transducer on the bottom just like you mounted the transducer then mount the transducer. Anyways I wasn’t going to comment but figured some of y’all might like this idea i have 4 canoes a 8x4 pond prowler that I just bought a new whisperer 54lb for it an a 12ft pelican intruder With a 7.5 Evinrude with a 34lb minn Kota a 14-48 Jon with a twin cyl long tail mud motor with a 34lb minn Kota also one on my square back canoe I have the 14.6 old town saranac an it’s big brother that I won’t be putting trolling motors on i us a adjustable 6 to 7ft paddle board paddle an a custom paddle that I made out of a paddle I found floating in the water broken in half I made it 8ft long with a duck bill on top an made the paddle on end about twice the size of a standard paddle. Both paddles are so easy to paddle those old town with an can paddle so fast don’t see the need. But on my older fiberglass canoe I actually mounted one of my old 54lb deck mount trolling motors on it it actually works great an all I had to do was bolt well I only using c clamps so I can remove it anytime but most people would bolt The 2x6 to the rear wooden bench seat took two seconds on it pulls up lays flat across the top of canoe an easily pull the cord an it drops right in I’ll go ahead an make a small video of it shortly an add it to my channel. Great review by the way making me want a variable speed lol. But to be honest the clicking would only bother me while fishing an while fishing you really shouldn’t ever go above the first speed I just add a big foot switch to all my trolling motors so I don’t ever have to turn it on an off while fishing anyways.
Hi Carl ; thanks for all your great reviews and I followed your input on the canoe selection picked up by 13 square stern; that fits perfectly in my Tacoma under the bed cover and running a 34lb. now and possibly upgrading to the 45; just curious being new to baitcasting ; if you use braided line mostly with a leader tied on or just go straight to your bait with braided. Good to see your success after all your hard work and time you put into it. thanks again keep up the good work John
Hey John - thanks so much man, I'm glad the reviews were helpful for you. And congratulations on the canoe! I hope you love it like I do, but let me know your thoughts after having used it a while. I had started with that Cabelas 34lb thrust model, but since upgraded to the 45lb and the difference is substantial. If you haven't already, check out my video on the Minn Kota Endura Max 45....should provide you most everything you need to know. In terms of line I use a leader with my braid to most everything. The realist is me says I probably don't have to, but I just like having a clear line at the point of connection for those fish that may be wary. The only place I feel it really plays a role though is in lures that are fished slow that they can nose up to and inspect.....ie; drop shot, shakey head, jigs on hard bottoms, slow crawling anything Texas or Carolina rigged. Anything reaction / constantly in motion you can totally go straight braid to. Although, on reaction lures I still use usually a nice long 6ft+ of leader in order to give a little stretch in my system. Its a small insurance policy of some stretch when you are having a hard time landing one and the hookset isn't great.
Nice motors! I got a simple C2 for my new project Kayak/Canoe. I need to figure out what battery I need. Its going to be installed sideways so I have to get a gel one.
Carl, I bought a Sportspal last year after watching your first Sportspal video. Is the shaft length of your Minn Kota 36" and do you find that too long or short. There are some 24" shafts available from newport but I am not sure if I can just use the 36" shaft. Let me know what you think.
Hey Steven - yes, mine is 36" in length. I actually have one other one that is 42" long (its the 80lb model). I think the 36" is the way to go vs the 24". Reason being is it gives you more adjustability. A 24" shaft can only be made to run so deep (its maximum extension), but the 36" can run that depth...or deeper. And, either one can be raised to any height. There is an optimal depth that is recommended to maximize thrust and efficiency.....don't quote me, but I want to say its 12" submerged. The reason I mention that, is as you might imagine the handle on the motor that you interface with will be at a different height using the 24" vs the 36" assuming both have the motor submerged the same depth (12"). Personally I'm not picky, but in the case of the motors I have my 42" motor's handle is higher when the motor is operating vs my 36". When standing up have to lean down a bit to grab the 36" motors handle where as the 42" model's handle is right there....no bending required. Inversely, the 42" models handle is awkwardly high to keep adjusting when Im seated vs the 36", which is at a more comfortable height. I stress.....to me a little lean or stretch is decisively a first world problem and I really don't care, but those are the practical differences of the different shaft lengths.
@@KeepinItReelFishing thanks for the great reply! I took the Sportspal out this past weekend with my wife. I had t old 36" shaft, 40lb thrust Minn Kota Endura. It pushed the boat around fairly well but felt under powered. Thinking of going to your Max 45 or 55lb. Having taken it out, I think the key is being able to tilt the motor easily when getting into shallow water. I do agree that the 24" would be too small, but I have seen some 30" shafts out there that may be a good compromise. Thanks for the free education.
Did you have to reduce the length of the 36" shaft at all on the 45#? I'm trying to decide between a 30# w/ 30" shaft or 34# w/ 36" shaft for my 14' SportPal (pointed, so using the transom/motor attachment), and my main concern is the shaft being too long (so will either have to have to prop deeper in the water, or the handle really high up)?
I'm doing the same thing. Sportspal S-14 with a 55lb thrust Endura Max. Is it better to replace the entire length of the wire than to splice in an extension wire? I see Minn Kota has a chart with recommended gauge for different extension runs, but I clearly trust your opinions. Lol. My concern would be voiding the warranty. Reading some of these reviews, that warranty might be necessary.
Thanks for a great informative video. I used to live in New Jersey.....in Michigan now I have an smaller, older model on a 12' canoe. I will keep this model in mind. I hope you don't mind me asking but I'm just curious ; what is your line of work?
Good information. Those 30+/- motors just don't really cut it in the wind, especially when a storm picks up in the mountains.Have you done a video on the canoe? Not seeing it on my phone if you did. Nevermind, found it on my laptop, will have to watch it later. Thanks for the video reviews.
Good video, thanks for making it. Helps out a lot to see proper reviews, so thank you. I am considering this motor for my Hobie PA14 on a custom mount on the rear carry handle and wonder which battery you use and/or recommend for running this motor. Thank you.
I have a Minn Kota with 36lb thrust. I was getting 3.7mph flat out on a coleman scanoe (transom mounted, weedless wedge prop), with the prop well submerged. I moved the prop up so that it was 100mm/4 inches below the surface, and the speed increased to 3.9mph. This is the opposite of what I was expecting, and surprising. Any higher and I think the disturbance from the hull would cause some cavitation.
Hey buddy do you know what the proper depth that trolling motor need to be down into the water? I have almost the same canoe but is 13’ Thanks for your time my friend
I was waiting for this vid! Thanks for posting Edit: I have a question, how did the extra 6 inch shaft increase affect you ? lets say you are sitting on the seat is the handle too high ? thats really my only concern with buying the 45.
Yeah - at first it felt high (when seated), but conversely it felt better having it higher when I am standing and adjusting it. Either way.....I'm just used to it now as I'm sure anyone would be once its all they have used for a while.
Excellent video! Thanks, just bought one for my Kayak based on this video. Saw many questions about what battery you use with no answers so I will ask again. Battery, group sized, mah’s? Thanks
Size wise I keep upping it every few years. How long it lasts is highly variable based on usage, payload, and head/tail/crosswind. I started with a group 24, then a 27, then a 29. The 24 was fine for average use on all my small bodies of water (under 100 acres) for the entire day (8 hours mixed usage). When going on larger bodies of water (400-600 acres) the 24 would be dying by the end of the day. For those water sizes and those hours of usage the group 27 is usually fine. Occasionally I go on those larger waters (400-600 acres) for ENTIRE days (sunrise to sunset or 12+ hours). In that situation the group 29 ensures I can make it through the whole day with mixed usage. The difference in price is not great between the 24 and the big 29 and its the equivalent of your gas tank. Unless you fish smaller bodies of water and/or do not stay on the water very long I would always suggest going with the big battery. Upside is peace of mind, downside is only like $40 more and 20lbs heavier.
Hi Peter. I use the largest group size....31, specifically one from Interstate. They are heavy (61lbs), but are good for most mixed usage days. These days though lithium is all the rage and for good reason, although they command a 2x to 3x increase in price. I liked both the motor and battery quite well. I say liked because last year I did have to replace it as one of the brushes on the armature failed in a bad way. I now have its slightly larger cousin the 55lb Endura Max model.
Hey. I have a raddison canoe. Light. Canoe. My current motor is like 20 max. Slow. But it moves decent. I’m wondering if I should get a 45 or a 50 thrust? I won’t use top speed all the time just getting across the lake. And yeah. My lithium battery I got now I only use not even 50% on a full day. Help pkease
Hey Carl ; great review I don’t know if you got a chance to look over my recent comment concerning your fishfinder and trolling motor ; it may be a bit lengthy but appreciate your response ; also no luck locating 8” deluxe Huddleston weedless ; called Hudd directly they sell only exposed hook style to supply houses ; tackle warehouse , and the factory won’t be building anymore weedless possibly until fall 2019 . Thanks John
Hey John - Wow....interesting on the availability of the weedless models. Listen, I see they have a few left in the hitch color on the site. Just so you know there are a handful of people out there that repaint soft lures. So, if you want to snag the weedless model you can ultimately get it to whatever color you prefer. It raises the price quite a bit, but its a solution if you really want the 8" weedless right now (for what its worth it is really up there on my favorite large baits). Check out 'stankxbaitco' online and on Instagram to see their work. I have never used their service, but have seen many examples of it.
OK, HELP ME OUT HERE. I JUST BOUGHT ONE OF THESE FOR A PADDLE BOAT AND IT SUCKED DOWN A 180 AMP HOUR BATTERY IN 10 MIN AT FULL THROTTLE. What did I do wrong?
Two years later this motor is going strong ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxBZWgzfpS2Jj7JqIHyaSZjyVHNUgCKCBf Just uploaded a video of it after 2 years. We use it probably a dozen days each year on our small raft.-original review- We got this motor the other day and tested it out. I don't have anything to compare it to, but it seems good to me. It has all the features advertised - the motor housing is metal. We will see how it performs longer term and I will revise this review if needed. Some initial observations:- Good thrust, moves our boat around really well- It comes with a circuit breaker but no switch - so there's no way to kill the motor other than yanking the connection off the battery. I installed an inline switch.- The mount bracket is plastic and I worry it might break- There are a number of plastic parts that I worry about, but the most important ones are metal or some kind of composite
My first time Kayaking and this Kayak held strong. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx4k5UrhC3v_Y4hIEaXLGvHcN5a5aBmZNB The water got pretty rough as a speed boat zipped by me, and the Kayak withstood it (I expected to be capsized). The Ores are very easy to put together, the pump worked beautifully. the seats are a bit hard to sit in after a while (I recommend sitting on the floor). after reading the reviews I was very scared it'd get a hole in it, the material is very strong and durable. The Air valve may need a small Phillips head screwdriver to adjust, other than that, it's well worth the money!(update)I've gone Kayaking in 3 Lakes and 2 rivers totaling about 40 miles. the kayak had two holes and they patched easily and no other problems can't wait for kayaking season this year!
thank you for the video, well thought out and emphasis on the fact that all payloads and conditions are different
Thanks for your post. My 24 lb thrust Watersnake (very light) pushes my 14" Hornbeck at 4.4 mph and my 34 lb Newport, which feel like it weighs twice as much as the Watersnake, only gives me a top speed of 4.4. The difference, the Newport hacks through the weeds much better. Power comes from a 50AH lithium battery.
I know this video is a bit old but it was invaluable when deciding between a 36 vs 46 lb thrust motor for my kayak. THANK YOU!!!!
I love your attention to detail in the way you explain all of your aftermarket parts on your Canoe.
very great and informative video. thank you. i plan on gettimg the 55lb endura max for a 15 ft john boat in the small lakes , ponds, and reservoirs that gas motors are not allowed in. this was the only video amongst many many others that thoroughly explained not only specific power to the max but the differences vs the 35.. thank you.
I just got the 55. Love it so far
Nice review. Doing some research to get one of these for my inflatable raft, and I'm definitely gonna get this one now.
i forgot to mention, the side wheels to transport the porta bote to the water are used as extra floatation. i use just the tire and rim wedge in-between the pontoon center and the other wheel with the strut is used to transport the pontoon since i don't intend to deflate and reinflate the pontoon. my Tacoma 5.6 bed will accommodate 3/4 of the pontoon and the remainder can be strap to the truck sides rings. just lift the light end onto the truck-bed and slide all the way. the two smaller pontoon fit just right at the wheel well housing. i have tried to upload this on youtube channel, not sure why my tablet won't upload. anyway, your video gave me great idea on relocating the troller on the pontoon. thanks, bob
😅 i love the speed portion... people at work were wondering why i burst out in laughter!
just ordered a 14 foot sportspal 55 endura max trolling motor because of your vids thank you
Mighty fine job and single handed.
I put on a Kipawa propeller on my Endura max 45. It has three blades. I get more speed and more range per charge. And it is 99% weed free. It's a fantastic up grade to my trolling motor.
Got a link by any chance?
Can you post a link?
@@cycleof7s438 Hey Just curious if you ever received a link for the propeller Patrick London mentioned?
@@thebowtiefisherman5718 what's up buddy, nah but I found one on amazon that looks identical to the one he's talking about in the video. Here's the link ... www.amazon.com/MKP-6-2061125-WEEDLESS-WEDGE-Category/dp/B00P0D9MBU/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=minn+kota+wedge&qid=1592162161&sr=8-5 Good Luck!
@@cycleof7s438 Excellent; What trolling motor are you currently using? I'm in the market for a new one really soon.
I feel the same way about my Endura 45. This is my 4th Minn Kota troller and in respect to sipping amps this one is the nuts and berries !
This answered so many questions for me ! thank you so much for all the time you put into making this awesome video!
Your very welcome. I'm glad it helped you out!
Thank you for not making the decision for us and giving a top speed anyway even knowing the variables are endless . And actually thats pretty common for a good trolling motor setup to go just under 4 mph on a tiny craft. Even john boats.
Thanks! I bought the 45 Lb for my 12’ Old Town Katahdin. 🤘stoked!!!!!
Minn Kota motors are not speed rated... they are torque to weight rated for the type of boat they will be pulling/pushing and the type of water... in essence, an Endura MAX 45 is made to push a larger boat at the same speed that, say, a Endura MAX 30 would push a canoe... at aprox. 2mph... therefore, the EM 45 on a canoe might get you an extra 1mph has more torque then speed application which is why it cuts through the weeds easier... they are also designed to be more efficient "pulling" a boat from the bow.
Great review. Thanks. Just purchased a Minn Kota Endura Max Freshwater Transom Mount Trolling Motor. Thrust 55 for a Sun Dolphin sportsman. Really excited to get off the banks.
Well done - providing good reasons why you did this!
Hey man! Love the Monster Fishing Tackle sticker on your boat. That is my aunt and uncles company out of CA!
I have the c2 40lb works great for my Small boats and the kids like how quiet it is.
Excellent video. Side by side comparisons are great. Good job explaining the differences.
Hi Carl, I just purchased a sun dolphin sportsman and min Kota 45 lbs thrust troller to go with it. Thanks for the valuable info. Can’t wait to get on the water
Great video. you definitely keep it real! I think i will need a 62lb thrust for my inflatable 10’8” dinghy. total weight will be around 700 lbs with 2 people, gear, coolers, etc.
good job very clean I like. I started with 30 lbs went up to 40 next 45. I do feel the difference. now I put a 3 hp gas 12 mh. I also use it with a 5 hp 20 mh with 3/4 acceleration. very fast.
sunset is beautiful
I had a 50lb on my canoe and I LOVED it!
I bought a Newport Vessels 46 lb. thrust and it works awesome on my sportspal at almost half the price of the Minn kota endura max and it also has a battery gauge and the handle feels more solid than the Minn kota also.
The only thing I consider is that maximizer on the Minn Kota, it's a very good feature to have infinite speeds
Such an honest real world test n review. Thx man.
Finally someone is showing us the real way to see how trolling motors work .thanks so very much for your time in demonstrating how a 46 series motor looks and really works on the water.just subscribed. Keep making videos like this very very helpful when trying to make a decision on buying a motor.GREAT JOB👍👍👍👍👍LONNIE FROM CALI😀
you can wrap a ranger band aka an old bike tire tube around that metal clamp and transducer cover to keep those weedless as well. excellent channel +1 sub here.
You put a lot into this video, and it shows. Thank you. I'm in the market for a trolling motor and the details you provide are extremely helpful. Thank you!
Thank you Bruce for taking the time to leave a comment and let me know. Appreciate it man. That's what its all about for me....I know I look to people here on UA-cam to help give me info when I'm looking to make my own purchases. Very glad this video is of benefit to you in your own research.
I was gifted a minn kota c2 30lb for Christmas for my 16ft kevlar canoe. I am hoping that it will work well with an overall load of about 400-450lbs(boat gear and 2 passengers). I like the idea of the shorter shaft because I do fish mainly rivers but also flat water, but I am still nervous that the 30lb thrust wont cut it.
Yep been lookin at these models. This seals the deal. Thanks for your review.
thanks for the video. very helpful as I am mounting the endura max 40 to my mad river adventure 16. don't think I will be able to stand up and drive LoL
Great review thank you! It was the deciding factor of my purchase of the 45. Waiting for delivery now. I''m surprised it didn't give your canoe a port list. Hope I have the same results with my Saranac.
Love the power of my new Max 55 over the old 30lb thrust I had. But the pulse circuits the Max uses absolutely hammers my Garmin down view fish finder, unless the trolling motor is off or at max speed.
I originally purchased this motor to mount the transducer on the motor as well. I've also tried two other locations for the transducer, but all get the same interference, even up to six foot away from the motor.
Also the weed guard prop will cut your top speed down a bit.
Interesting on the weed prop and speed. I hadn't considered that, but its fine for me. Its slow either way :P and I'm much more interested in getting through cover with more ease. Regarding the feedback, you run your Garmin off the same battery as the motor? Just an FYI I run my sonar from a separate battery and still get feedback. I was advised by Lowrance to connect the negatives of each battery common to each other and that helped.
I was wondering, what do you mean by feedback ? did you mean sonar interference ? Also i was confused by "connecting the negatives of each battery common to each other" ?
How fell does your fishfinder work with your current setup ?
Thanks great video as always.Im over in Rhode Island , Im gonna be purchasing a Sportspal in a few weeks.Going all in this year with the swimbaits. Thank you for your videos Keepitreel. Billy
I have a transom mount 4 hp Merc on a 17 ft Grumman and it is a wild man. So much weight off the side and any slight turn will lift the bow and nearly put me in the water. So I’m thinking of selling that and picking up an electric like the one you reviewed. I’m amazed at how stable your canoe appears but I suspect the elimination of that much weight off the side and much less thrust would do it. The combo was inherited and wasn’t for fishing it was for working up river. Anyway can you confirm stability under thrust? I expect you place the battery to balance out the load? I’d probably put it opposite side under the front seat with a heavier gauge wire. You seem to be standing comfortably which is amazing to me. I’d like to dry fly off the canoe standing but it’s enough to justify a change to a jon boat. Would a pulling configuration be better mounted in the bow?
I love these canoe videos. Could you make a video that shows you getting to the lake and setting up your rig?
45 lbs. trust motors usually draw about 45 - 52 amps wide open I've been told.
very good review. I was researching, trying to figure out the differences between the c2 and the endura max. Thanks a ton, man!
That things a beast! Great review, thanks for the video.
nice video, especially the transducer installation. I bought a canoe (SportsPal 12') and Newport Vessel 46 trolling motor last year and this year I'm looking to buy a fish finder. not sure which one just yet. nothing really especial. I'm also looking to upgrade the blade to help with heavy grass. I got caught a few times last year and I'm sure it could do better. The motor is pretty powerful. If you have any tips on those please let me know. Thank you
Thanks for the video! This has really helped me iron out my decision for a paddle board setup.
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Was wondering about the differences between the C2 and the max thanks for explaining also do you think a 55 you would actually get more top speed. Or just more low-end torque. I am a little concerned as well with more stuff going on under the hood more stuff to go wrong.
Thanks man!
I think the limitations even on very narrow and lightweight craft on the top end speed is the limitations on props and prop pitches available for these trolling motors.
You take a #45 or #55 trolling motor on the back of a 14 or 15 foot, 48" wide flat bottom aluminum jon boat with gear and the weight of the hull and say 2 full grown fishermen versus that same motor on a 12 or 13 ft long kayak with one 170 lb. guy and a couple of fishing rods the motor would be capable torque wise of pulling a lot more pitch on the prop which could greatly increase the top speed without putting undue stress or more stress on the trolling motor than the same motor would be subjected too on the heavier with more drag jon boat.
I really think the speed limitations on these super lite low drag vessels is more because of motor rpm limits and available prop pitch's not the motors power output.
Yes, you gain a slight amount of additional speed with the more powerful motor but very little when you consider the bigger more powerful motors increase in available torque and power over the smaller motor.
Also playing with load and weight and prop pitches on lightweight low drag craft it would be in my line of thinking that you could operate the motor at a lower rpm and perhaps gain even more efficiency battery use wise while still reaching the acceptable cruising speed a higher rpm would require with the lower pitched stock props.
To keep it simple say you cruise at 3mph with the out of the box prop on a low drag lite weight vessel and it requires 50% power setting to maintain that speed, if you could run a higher pitch prop and run that same 3mph speed at only a 40% speed setting would it not make sense the battery would last longer at the 40% speed setting?
Granted these are all non planing hulls which drag will be more pronounced but still the weight and lower drag hull differences on Kayaks and Canoes should be significant enough of a difference that an out of the box motor propped to satisfactorily operate a 14-16ft long wide jon boat should be able to perform much better on such a lighter load with a better prop more suited to the type of load and work that is being ask of the motor in this situation.
I would bet 80% of people using these motors on lightweight, low drag craft actually have a cruising speed below the maximum fastest obtainable speed they find is comfortable for long runs and that is where they usually run and would rate battery longevity fairly high as well.
Give them a prop that would reach that speed at a lower power draw and increase their battery life at the same time most would jump on it.
Not to mention if done right you would probably actually gain more top end speed capability at the same time.
I know this is a super old post but it is just as relevant today as when the post was new.
hi KEEPIN, I just ran into your video. anyone may input if you have the experience. i sold my 14' porta bote (folding boat) but kept the minn Kota battery with the battery center and the 12v 55 lbs thrust minn Kota troller. now i purchased a 7.5' pontoon 4 pontoon floatation which give more side stability. it has a trunion for the troller but the blade would hit/cut the pontoon if the troller is turned more than 30 degrees if i put the motor at the rear end centered between the pontoon.. you gave me an idea of what may solve this problem. you set the troller on a sideway with an extension iron bar to mount the troller on the kayak. i need a clearer picture to see how this bar is mounted. i'll think of something that will not cause the troller lends the pontoon one-sided. thanks for your insight, bob
Excellent video review!!! Sold me.
Kicking around getting the 40 or the 45 ,,,is the 45 worth the extra $$$
Never used the 40, and its only 5lbs thrust more. But, in my opinion go as big as you can. Its not something your buying regularly, and if it has no issues (mine haven't) you going to own it for years and years. So save a little more / spend a little more and go higher. While the 45 is good and cuts it just fine on smaller craft, if I was buying again I would go even bigger. I'm actually going to be putting on a Traxxis 80 on my other, slightly larger canoe....but thats another story.
@@KeepinItReelFishing k thx
love that setup u got man....its perfect
Thanks Jason. It took a while to iron it all out, but I really love it.
KeepinItReelFishing thanks Carl ; for all the good info I really been enjoying all your reviews ; I followed your lead kind of on most things so far bought the sportspal 13 sq. transom, tucks up tight under bed cover of Tacoma ; I have a 34 lb. thrust and possibly will upgrade to the 45; just curious being new to baitcasting , mostly spinning in the past do you use braided with leaders or just go straight braided to your baits. thanks John
U should use the locking washer and plastic bolt that came with the upgraded prop. Bet your vibrate more with the new prop?
Affordable fun and manageable. Canoeing is not about speed. The Sportspal is a good canoe.
Great vid.what is the shaft length?
The 45 uses a 36" shaft.
Always love when you have a new video out. What kind of battery do you run your lowrance on? I have a Radison canoe and would like to get a motor and fish finder rigged up in it. Thanks again and keep up the great work
Great info! 👍🏻
Should have kept fishing that spot! Where there’s one there’s just about always more 👌
Good lake, hi from Russia 😊
the screw part of the hose clamp should have been positioned on top of the motor and it would be partially shielded by the shaft thus picking up less crap - just sayin
Good vid... Ty... Guess I'mma go with 40 or more
Nice video. Is the shaft on that adjustable up and down? I see you have your fish finder zip tied to it but if you didn't, could you adjust it up and down to increase or decrease the dept the prop goes into the water?
Hey Shizzy - absolutely, the shaft can be adjusted for quite a range of depths. Like you observed mine is limited by the fact that I have my wiring tied up to it, but thats only because I found the optimal depth for the motor (around 12") and then 'locked' everything in place knowing I will never put it deeper than that. But, without those zip tied in the way you have quite a range of adjustability.....I would say at least 30".
@@KeepinItReelFishing Thanks!
What do you do for battery in case boat flips over....thanks
you go to the store to buy one at the most cursed
Brilliant review. Thanks.
very good. Thank you
Just Incase you want to use that trolling motor again on something else an put your transducer on it you can very easily cut a notch out to make it fit if for some reason cutting that notch out bothers you you can also very easily mount a small peace of aluminum the side of transducer on the bottom just like you mounted the transducer then mount the transducer. Anyways I wasn’t going to comment but figured some of y’all might like this idea i have 4 canoes a 8x4 pond prowler that I just bought a new whisperer 54lb for it an a 12ft pelican intruder With a 7.5 Evinrude with a 34lb minn Kota a 14-48 Jon with a twin cyl long tail mud motor with a 34lb minn Kota also one on my square back canoe I have the 14.6 old town saranac an it’s big brother that I won’t be putting trolling motors on i us a adjustable 6 to 7ft paddle board paddle an a custom paddle that I made out of a paddle I found floating in the water broken in half I made it 8ft long with a duck bill on top an made the paddle on end about twice the size of a standard paddle. Both paddles are so easy to paddle those old town with an can paddle so fast don’t see the need. But on my older fiberglass canoe I actually mounted one of my old 54lb deck mount trolling motors on it it actually works great an all I had to do was bolt well I only using c clamps so I can remove it anytime but most people would bolt The 2x6 to the rear wooden bench seat took two seconds on it pulls up lays flat across the top of canoe an easily pull the cord an it drops right in I’ll go ahead an make a small video of it shortly an add it to my channel. Great review by the way making me want a variable speed lol. But to be honest the clicking would only bother me while fishing an while fishing you really shouldn’t ever go above the first speed I just add a big foot switch to all my trolling motors so I don’t ever have to turn it on an off while fishing anyways.
Hi Carl ; thanks for all your great reviews and I followed your input on the canoe selection picked up by 13 square stern; that fits perfectly in my Tacoma under the bed cover and running a 34lb. now and possibly upgrading to the 45; just curious being new to baitcasting ; if you use braided line mostly with a leader tied on or just go straight to your bait with braided. Good to see your success after all your hard work and time you put into it. thanks again keep up the good work John
Hey John - thanks so much man, I'm glad the reviews were helpful for you. And congratulations on the canoe! I hope you love it like I do, but let me know your thoughts after having used it a while. I had started with that Cabelas 34lb thrust model, but since upgraded to the 45lb and the difference is substantial. If you haven't already, check out my video on the Minn Kota Endura Max 45....should provide you most everything you need to know. In terms of line I use a leader with my braid to most everything. The realist is me says I probably don't have to, but I just like having a clear line at the point of connection for those fish that may be wary. The only place I feel it really plays a role though is in lures that are fished slow that they can nose up to and inspect.....ie; drop shot, shakey head, jigs on hard bottoms, slow crawling anything Texas or Carolina rigged. Anything reaction / constantly in motion you can totally go straight braid to. Although, on reaction lures I still use usually a nice long 6ft+ of leader in order to give a little stretch in my system. Its a small insurance policy of some stretch when you are having a hard time landing one and the hookset isn't great.
Nice motors! I got a simple C2 for my new project Kayak/Canoe. I need to figure out what battery I need. Its going to be installed sideways so I have to get a gel one.
Carl, I bought a Sportspal last year after watching your first Sportspal video. Is the shaft length of your Minn Kota 36" and do you find that too long or short. There are some 24" shafts available from newport but I am not sure if I can just use the 36" shaft. Let me know what you think.
Hey Steven - yes, mine is 36" in length. I actually have one other one that is 42" long (its the 80lb model). I think the 36" is the way to go vs the 24". Reason being is it gives you more adjustability. A 24" shaft can only be made to run so deep (its maximum extension), but the 36" can run that depth...or deeper. And, either one can be raised to any height. There is an optimal depth that is recommended to maximize thrust and efficiency.....don't quote me, but I want to say its 12" submerged. The reason I mention that, is as you might imagine the handle on the motor that you interface with will be at a different height using the 24" vs the 36" assuming both have the motor submerged the same depth (12"). Personally I'm not picky, but in the case of the motors I have my 42" motor's handle is higher when the motor is operating vs my 36". When standing up have to lean down a bit to grab the 36" motors handle where as the 42" model's handle is right there....no bending required. Inversely, the 42" models handle is awkwardly high to keep adjusting when Im seated vs the 36", which is at a more comfortable height. I stress.....to me a little lean or stretch is decisively a first world problem and I really don't care, but those are the practical differences of the different shaft lengths.
@@KeepinItReelFishing thanks for the great reply! I took the Sportspal out this past weekend with my wife. I had t old 36" shaft, 40lb thrust Minn Kota Endura. It pushed the boat around fairly well but felt under powered. Thinking of going to your Max 45 or 55lb. Having taken it out, I think the key is being able to tilt the motor easily when getting into shallow water. I do agree that the 24" would be too small, but I have seen some 30" shafts out there that may be a good compromise. Thanks for the free education.
Did you have to reduce the length of the 36" shaft at all on the 45#? I'm trying to decide between a 30# w/ 30" shaft or 34# w/ 36" shaft for my 14' SportPal (pointed, so using the transom/motor attachment), and my main concern is the shaft being too long (so will either have to have to prop deeper in the water, or the handle really high up)?
I'm doing the same thing. Sportspal S-14 with a 55lb thrust Endura Max. Is it better to replace the entire length of the wire than to splice in an extension wire? I see Minn Kota has a chart with recommended gauge for different extension runs, but I clearly trust your opinions. Lol. My concern would be voiding the warranty. Reading some of these reviews, that warranty might be necessary.
Well produced video
Great video.
Thanks for a great informative video. I used to live in New Jersey.....in Michigan now
I have an smaller, older model on a 12' canoe. I will keep this model in mind. I hope you don't mind me asking but I'm just curious ; what is your line of work?
Good information. Those 30+/- motors just don't really cut it in the wind, especially when a storm picks up in the mountains.Have you done a video on the canoe? Not seeing it on my phone if you did. Nevermind, found it on my laptop, will have to watch it later. Thanks for the video reviews.
Good video, thanks for making it. Helps out a lot to see proper reviews, so thank you.
I am considering this motor for my Hobie PA14 on a custom mount on the rear carry handle and wonder which battery you use and/or recommend for running this motor.
Thank you.
I saving my pennies for the canoe and never owned a troling motor.
Does plunging the motor deeper into the water help at all on speed?
I have a Minn Kota with 36lb thrust. I was getting 3.7mph flat out on a coleman scanoe (transom mounted, weedless wedge prop), with the prop well submerged. I moved the prop up so that it was 100mm/4 inches below the surface, and the speed increased to 3.9mph. This is the opposite of what I was expecting, and surprising. Any higher and I think the disturbance from the hull would cause some cavitation.
Great review as always Carl. Is the mount for the motor homemade? It looks really nice.
I have the same Canoe, it comes with it, made by the manufacturer
Like ciproxr said, it is a stock piece that comes with the canoe. Its great stuff
it inspired me to make my own out of some old signpost U bar hammered and twisted. its great has a hole wherever you want or need it
So it can't run on sea water?
Hey buddy do you know what the proper depth that trolling motor need to be down into the water?
I have almost the same canoe but is 13’
Thanks for your time my friend
Great review
Very nice!
Would you still suggest the 45? Or would you go with the 55 option (still 12v and 36")
You are worth a subscribe
LOL. Thanks Mark. Appreciate it
Not all your viewers are guys... thanks for all the fishing videos...
I was waiting for this vid! Thanks for posting
Edit: I have a question, how did the extra 6 inch shaft increase affect you ? lets say you are sitting on the seat is the handle too high ? thats really my only concern with buying the 45.
Yeah - at first it felt high (when seated), but conversely it felt better having it higher when I am standing and adjusting it. Either way.....I'm just used to it now as I'm sure anyone would be once its all they have used for a while.
Excellent video! Thanks, just bought one for my Kayak based on this video. Saw many questions about what battery you use with no answers so I will ask again. Battery, group sized, mah’s? Thanks
What size of battery are you using? How long does it last?
Size wise I keep upping it every few years. How long it lasts is highly variable based on usage, payload, and head/tail/crosswind. I started with a group 24, then a 27, then a 29. The 24 was fine for average use on all my small bodies of water (under 100 acres) for the entire day (8 hours mixed usage). When going on larger bodies of water (400-600 acres) the 24 would be dying by the end of the day. For those water sizes and those hours of usage the group 27 is usually fine. Occasionally I go on those larger waters (400-600 acres) for ENTIRE days (sunrise to sunset or 12+ hours). In that situation the group 29 ensures I can make it through the whole day with mixed usage. The difference in price is not great between the 24 and the big 29 and its the equivalent of your gas tank. Unless you fish smaller bodies of water and/or do not stay on the water very long I would always suggest going with the big battery. Upside is peace of mind, downside is only like $40 more and 20lbs heavier.
great video! cool editing , big like👍👍👍 good luck 😁✌🍀
Given the different wiring can you hook this up to a PWM?
wow, thanks; really excellent video! :)
Great video!!! What kind of battery do you have with it?
What battery do you use please and how do you like it?
Hi Peter. I use the largest group size....31, specifically one from Interstate. They are heavy (61lbs), but are good for most mixed usage days. These days though lithium is all the rage and for good reason, although they command a 2x to 3x increase in price. I liked both the motor and battery quite well. I say liked because last year I did have to replace it as one of the brushes on the armature failed in a bad way. I now have its slightly larger cousin the 55lb Endura Max model.
Hey. I have a raddison canoe. Light. Canoe.
My current motor is like 20 max. Slow. But it moves decent.
I’m wondering if I should get a 45 or a 50 thrust? I won’t use top speed all the time just getting across the lake. And yeah. My lithium battery I got now I only use not even 50% on a full day.
Help pkease
Hey Carl ; great review I don’t know if you got a chance to look over my recent comment concerning your fishfinder and trolling motor ; it may be a bit lengthy but appreciate your response ; also no luck locating 8” deluxe Huddleston weedless ; called Hudd directly they sell only exposed hook style to supply houses ; tackle warehouse , and the factory won’t be building anymore weedless possibly until fall 2019 . Thanks John
Hey John - Wow....interesting on the availability of the weedless models. Listen, I see they have a few left in the hitch color on the site. Just so you know there are a handful of people out there that repaint soft lures. So, if you want to snag the weedless model you can ultimately get it to whatever color you prefer. It raises the price quite a bit, but its a solution if you really want the 8" weedless right now (for what its worth it is really up there on my favorite large baits). Check out 'stankxbaitco' online and on Instagram to see their work. I have never used their service, but have seen many examples of it.
informative, and nicely shot and edited video, thanks, what cameras are you using (esp stuck to your hat?) thanks
OK, HELP ME OUT HERE. I JUST BOUGHT ONE OF THESE FOR A PADDLE BOAT AND IT SUCKED DOWN A 180 AMP HOUR BATTERY IN 10 MIN AT FULL THROTTLE. What did I do wrong?
Cool man ! Sounds awesome
Do you ever have any counterbalancing issues on this model motor? Do you know the weight of the Endura max over the standard version