Meh. So are you when you clean up what's left of him. The people the cops send around to clean up only bother picking up the pieces. It's you that has to scrub the walls and floor...
Definitely not “deafening outside” 😅 not at all…. Coming from someone who has shot outdoors with no ear protection - like it or not, I don’t care - and has been around people shooting outside. Loud? Yes. “Deafening”? Definitely not.
@@bendabutcha For some damage can come easier, I suppose. And over time it makes a difference. For sure. I wouldn’t argue that. As you mentioned, certain firearms can be louder than others depending on several things - obviously.
@@JP_Patriot I hope no one reads your misinformation and takes it to heart. You won't enjoy permanent partial hearing loss that worsens as you age, along with the various tones of ringing and humming that will never leave you in peace. You likely wont notice it until years later, and you'll regret it. Been there, thought I was cool too. You don't have a superpower Fyi: permanent hearing damage occurs from short pulse sounds around 120-135 decibels. Most firearms pulse around 160. Yes, even a Ruger 10/22 is 140+
But do you believe that you should not have one at your disposal so that you can avoid paying the premium? That being said I hear holding a potato to the barrel works as well and last I checked you don't need a tax stamp for a potato
You don't have to. Buy one from China or make your own for $30 or less. I've seen several for $15-20 or even less.. but you can make your own for cheap also and there will be no record of it. Rights don't require permission, so there's no reason to pay extortion prices or to get one that's serialized.
As someone who is thinking of getting a Glock for home defense, the suppressor is like twice the price of the gun itself, not even including the NFA tax stamp
For real, kinda out of pocket for him to say that. I feel fortunate my wife and I have handguns. Now to spend 2x that to get the can 😅 I'd love one, but jeez
@@Greatdivider2001 additional procedural requirements accompanied with a 200 dollar fee and extra liability for owning an NFA part. Can be easy for some, but not for all. I'm glad it's easy for you though brother. Should owning a suppressor be a prerequisite to owning a firearm?
The best part is these guys refuse to address that the home invaders will 99.99999% not have a suppressor either. It’s like congratulations you are firing “quietly” at them, but they are firing full volume at you.
@@SpiderrManX you do realize the stats show that having a gun makes things more dangerous for the homeowner. That the lefts argument is that you are essentially putting your life at a higher risk, to protect property. Lol so I probably underestimated my percentage and you grossly overestimated yours. While no stats would make me get rid of my firearm, I’m not going to worry about noise that can be potentially coming back worse in my direction. Especially at the expense of maneuverability.
@@SpiderrManX you do realize the stats show that having a gun makes things more dangerous for the homeowner. That the lefts argument is that you are essentially putting your life at a higher risk, to protect property. Lol so I probably underestimated my percentage and you grossly overestimated yours. While no stats would make me get rid of my firearm, I’m not going to worry about noise that can be potentially coming back worse in my direction. Especially at the expense of maneuverability.
Even if they weren't this ridiculous industry would find a way to charge an absurd amount of money for them. All things considered a suppressor should cost like $50, at most.
@KFish-bw1om I actually believe that the price would drop drastically if they were removed from the NFA. As it stands now, they don’t sell that many because a lot of potential buyers don’t wanna wait a year or more for approval after shelling out around $1000 for a suppressor. Waiting times have improved recently and are much better , but the $200 tax stamp still turns buyers away. However, if the tax stamp was removed, and the waiting period became 3 days or less, then many many more people would buy them. This would cause more manufacturing and more competition between producers, which would drive down the cost over time
@@stevilknevil107 If the demand were suddenly and massively increased, the price would skyrocket. Just like it did with ammo. I guarantee you that manufacturers who are already able to sell their product for way more than it's worth, are not going to lower the price all that much. Especially now that everyone wants one. It would come down a little after that initial demand spike died down. Which would probably take about a year or more, and they might still end up costing more than they do right now once it levels off.
@@KFish-bw1om Just make you're own. It wont be of a quality standard as a professionally machined one, but a metal tube with some washers in it does the job. Its illegal to make and own, but itll save your ears. Just take the damn thing off and hide it somewhere before the PoPo shows up.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Soooo truuuuu dooood. Think of all the divorces that've happened in the centuries before suppressors, all these selfish husbands opening fire on home invaders with their loud muskets! The nerve of them to not care more about the HEARING of the bystander than the LIFE of the bystander. Wait until you learn about things like "construction sites" and all the INCONSIDERATE NOISE they make ;( Ugh, and to think they're using those jackhammers for FUN and to cause damage to the hearing of anyone in a quarter mile radius! Me and you, buddy. We're gonna team up and go to war against loud noise! They're making everyone pay!;( What? It's only cool if YOU use fallacies?
@zadotterazo690 Yeah, we could also invest in a security system. We'll buy some extra cameras, put motion detectors covering the most likely avenue of approach... hell, why not have armed sentries?
We need to make it illegal for prosecutors to use the style of weapon and accessories against you, I read a study once that said you were far more likely to be convicted in a self defense scenario for using something like an AR over a shotgun
@@ydoIhavetohaveachann I totally agree they need to fix the self defense laws. You should not be charged for defending your life. They care more about getting paid to charge you for and convict you with a dumb crime. Just for defending your life against a criminal. These criminals are being treated with more respect than law abiding citizens
Also remember that problem you mention to family being deafened, the INTRUDER also will be deaf, and if you have good ear protection like over-ear active style Peltors, you have super-hearing before and after a shot. HUGE, underrated advantage.
@@ryanguldbrandsen7672 Yep, I keep them on my firearm. Putting on over-ear headset takes no extra time than picking up the firearm. You go ahead and try and shoot inside without if you wish, but I actually like my eardrums.
A sbr 556 with a suppressor is still loud and not hearing safe lol. That's coming from a combat medic, who now on the civilian side, doing hearing test while typing this.
@Smitty.WerbenJagerManJensen. true but still doesn't mean anything when it comes to protecting you n your family's hearing. Just go 300 blkout which is meant for sbr length.
I shot a .22lr into my bedroom mirror acting like a gangster one time when my parents were out of town. I was about 22 years old, I’m 38 now. Even that caused my ears to ring pretty bad. I took my mirror off and patched the hole and painted it before my parents got home. I concocted a story about how I was throwing a football up in the air and catching it but it got caught in the ceiling fan and got slung into the mirror, breaking the mirror. I told them the actual truth about 5 years later and we had a laugh about it.
I tried to reply but UA-cam keeps censoring my comment, so here's take 18: I my mothers expensive Italian leather couch out the window with some mates with a back when we were allowed to own in my country. Soon as she came home she noticed it and asked wtf I would her couch. I panicked and said, "It moo'd." Needless to say I got grounded for eternity. I'm 67 and I'm still grounded!
One day my Uncle gets a frantic call from his son away at college. "Dad, I need you to wire me $XX so I can buy a new TV for my roommate!" Why? Because he shot the cowboy on screen, and it turned out the always loaded gun was actually loaded.
@@oni_goroshi I lived at home till I was damn near 30. And I still play with loaded guns in the mirror to this day. I’m just more careful about is the safety actually on 🙂
You don't. Just make one yourself. Rights don't require permission and they can't tell you "no" if you're not asking. When people stop being cowards and stop asking, there's absolutely Nothing they can do about it.
@@williamwatkins2538 Why not? You have a brain and a computer. There are many ways to make them with minimal tools. You could even buy a "fuel filter" and then just drill the end cap to finish it. That requires almost no tools or knowledge at all. There are many ways to buy commercially available parts and then turn them into a suppressor with very, very limited knowledge or tools. If you do the research on it, you'll probably find several different ways to go about making one. They're very simple devices. Some people even make them out of simple flashlight parts or out of oil filters. You can literally buy an actual car oil filter and a 1/2x28 adapter and screw one on to a rifle or handgun and use it as suppressor. (...and they work well at suppressing the sound and the flash, but they are more bulky than the average suppressor).
@@williamwatkins2538 It's both. One is called "fuel filters" which is an already made device very much like a suppressor that just needs a hole drilled in the end... and the other is an Oil Filter, which is an actual oil filter. I'd post a link for one of the fuel filters, but youtube is made up by a bunch of snowflakes.
If you have the means, ALWAYS suppress home defense weapon(s). Why? Because guns are waaay loud in a house. And if you have to shoot at night, the muzzle flash WILL blind you. You need to be able to hear AND see what is coming your way. While you MIGHT experience auditory exclusion, others in the house will not. If you need to give them instructions, they won't hear them.
Why not hearing protection for everyone in the house. The loud noise would then not effect your family, and send a clear message to anyone else lurking around to not try it.
@@feedthesoil446 Too much to remember in an emergency situation, and they may not be able to hear your instructions. What if you have small children? No way a 3, 4 or 5 YO is going be able to put on hearing protection by themselves, let alone quickly...and they would have to be woken up first. Suppressor is the best solution. While a shot may 'send a message', it also gives away your position. If they are armed and determined to harm you, you just lost an advantage.
@@feedthesoil446 Ok, so... someone's kicking your door in. give yourself 10 seconds to figure out what's going on. No that wasn't a mishandled UPS package, someone's really kicking the door in. Then give yourself 15 seconds to locate every family member. Then another 15 seconds to tell them to put on hearing protection. Give them about 3-4 minutes to _find_ their hearing protection (if they're especially organized). And then... actually, at that point, don't bother, because everything which was going to happen is already over. Most residential doors take like 5 seconds to kick in. if that. And then there's windows... In all seriousness, it "can" be done... but you'd need to have multiple sets of hearing protection in every room of the house, all with routinely updated batteries (if they are powered), and you'd have to do realistic drills of the procedure with the whole family. It's "possible" to pull off, just highly improbable.
Not everyone lives in your gated community. Some people live in aurora Colorado in an apartment building currently being taken over by Venezuelan cartels.........
@@jacktrout5807 there were ~850k breakins in 2022, which is about 1 in 370 people. additionally, breakins are 300% more likely on homes without security systems. seeing how concerned you are about breakins, you definitely own a security system, so that brings your odds to about 1 in 1500. plus, only ~25% of breakins occur while someone is at home, so the odds you'll actually be in a 'home defense' situation are about 1 in 6000. seems worth mentioning that ~50% of breakin perpetrators know the victim as well; if you did get the 1 in 6000 chance, there's a coinflip that you're shooting someone you know. maybe you should be more worried about your pension grampa and less concerned with immigrants and house breakins now that you know the statistics :)
This is why I keep a set of electronic ear pro next to my bedside 10.5 inch AR. That’s the least of my worries though. I’m pretty sure my apartment complex would promptly evict my ass if I ever discharged a firearm inside my place, even if it was to stop a home invasion.
Better than being killed. At that moment, the least of your worries will be getting evicted. Besides that, the supreme court just weighed in and said that apartment complexes and landlords cannot ban the possession (or lawful use) of firearms for their tenants. Just because you do not own your own home does not mean that you don't have the Rights of self defense and self preservation... so landlords cannot tell you that you cannot have a firearm or use it in self defense. They're shutting down the "laws" banning guns in "sensitive places" too.
Illegal to even possess in NJ. You can't even own one legally in another state, and bring it here if you move in to NJ N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(c) prohibits the possession of suppressors.
Rights don't require permission and they can't say "no" if you're not asking. Any person can buy one from China for $20.00 ... or better yet, just make one yourself.
My tinnitus is so bad already that it keeps me awake at night. I'm not filling out any forms paying ungodly prices and giving $200 in "taxes" away to be on a list.
Rights don't require permission or approval (or taxes). You could make one yourself for just a couple bucks with common, inexpensive ad simple equipment. If you can't figure it out though, you can still order one from China for $20.
Pats and taps, code words, and signal number. I run suppressed and my wife knows there are three things to do when I walk out that door. Challenge and pass: (Example) I say: There's a snake. She answers: In my boot. Numbers: (# of the day is 5) if she can't hear me I'll flash my weapon light at the base of the door an odd number let's say 3. She flashes back 2 that equals 5 I'm safe from a slug. Pats and Taps: same concept as numbers but with me knocking on the wall ( not the door!) her replying with knocks on the wall to equal the number of the day. Last one Running: all hell has broke loss and you have to get out quick. Id run up to the door yelling a "running" code, example: Blue Moon, Blue Moon, Blue Moon then she'll repeat it as she grabs her bag and the baby and we move. (DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR TILL YOU HEAR THE REPEAT!)
You do speak the truth. That’s why I prefer various blades for inside. Sharp objects are deadly when practiced. can make nice decor, and or are easily placed out of visual. Big bonus is there silent and less messy / less damage to repair if round passes through and into wall.
@adamlong54 news flash msnbc of youtube you're not the wise all knowing and if you can't tell me what decible a 1000 fps 150gr projectile is at 1500ft sea level you might want to humble yourself before I make you cry on the internet with words trough a screen snatch your confidence and sauté it with your arrogance
@@jimdandy3823 it's all good brother it's UA-cam lol. Bunch of assholes including me we're just kill time and talking shit here after all. I'm the asshole who picks on everyone else my shell is thick 😂😂😂✌️
Im a metal bassist and I use weapons im use to the fuzz. Another band cracked up their amps all the way up but had horrible distortion that fucked me and my whole bands hearing
I was reading an article a couple months ago that had a lot of scientific studies and statistics in it that claimed there's evidence to show that loud noises are not what cause hearing loss and/or that damage to the ear drum from loud noises is not what the cause is... and that it's almost always caused by changes in the brain and not the ear. I can't say it's true or not. I really have no clue, but it was interesting to read the studies.
What are the ramifications of shooting someone with a nfa registered item in the event you get screwed by the government and convited of something in a home defense situation?
A 9mm through a 16-18" barrel is a hell of a lot quieter and still has decent energy. PCC for indoors without a can (cant have cans here). Less chance of over penetration.
Working I let loose 5 rounds of 12ga out of a vehicle window. It did what it was supposed to do but looking back I wish I had time pushed my barrel a bit further out the window 😅
I’m a big believer in a rifle suppressor for home defense, but a handgun I think should be left unsuppressed. Handguns that are suppressed can be very finicky. Not something I’d be wanting to bet my life on.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz you’re totally missing the point. When you add a Nielson device, you’re adding variables. You should only use a suppressor on a fixed barreled firearm for serious purposes.
I had a 7.5” 556 shot at my face from about 6 feet away in a bedroom idk if it was the adrenaline or what but I could hear just fine after I realized I was still alive lol given I would definitely go ahead and agree I’d much prefer a suppressor for HD
100% adrenaline saved your hearing and focused your other senses. It occurs for some folks...but those beside you or in the next rom, don't have the adrenaline pumping as much.
If I absolutely had to shoot my 8" 5.56 PDW in doors unsuppressed, I'd throw on a blast diffuser like the QD Blast Shield from Griffin Armament. It'll still be loud as heck, but it'll send most of the concussive force out and away from me.
@@Knight_of_the_Old_Code The problem with "indoors" is that sound goes out, bounces off every wall in front of you, and comes right back like a cruel game of dodgeball against physics. That's literally WHY discharges are so bad indoors. You could get lucky, or unlucky, with the acoustics. I can still hear a single 9mm round from 25 years ago, loudly.
Too bad us “free citizens” in the United States of America can’t buy a silencer without spending tons of money and tons of time trying to get through the legal paperwork and afterwords they might not even “allow” you to have one anyways
Buy one from China for $20 or make one. It's cheap and don't require permission. Rights don't require permission anyways and they can't say "no" if you're not asking. If people just stop asking, there's Nothing they can do about it.
This has always puzzled me. I'm not American but I've shot a "sbr" inside without hearing protection and a pistol once or twice. Its of the charts compared to outside. It's what I would imagine a flashbang to be. The first thing I would always have would be hearing protection if not a silencer
Damn how did all those people even survive before silencers were common?!?! If someone breaks into my house I doubt anyone is upset from some ringy ears.
@@SALTYDEVILWhile that is true at face value, studies show even mild hearing loss doubles dementia risk. Moderate hearing loss= 3x. Severe hearing loss= 5x.
Don’t forget about auditory exclusion! I had to shoot my Mossberg Shockwave inside my home in a domestic violence situation and my adrenaline was pumping so bad I never heard the shots and I never had ringing in my ears! It was so weird!
@@Tennessee_est1983 My bad dude. It's rather unfortunate that you had to go through such a thing. I hope life is treating you better these days. Happy trails Kemosabe.
Number 1 reason for not using one in my opinion is if you have to use your firearm inside your house everyone should know what’s getting ready to happen and put on hearing protection. Number 2 reason is I want everyone in the neighborhood to know there’s a fire fight going on so they can call the police. Preparing for the worst is always better than wishing you did. Just what I do and believe.
Cav Scout combat vet here. I've fired THOUSANDS of rounds in closed in spaces with multiple people firing at the same time. Ears ring for a bit, but then they're fine. If you're afraid of your wife shooting you after an indoor firefight then perhaps you need to revise your communication plan. I don't use a suppressor because if they're happen to be multiple bad guy's the loud bang that happens without a suppressor is usually enough to scare off any other would be attackers.
Hey bonehead got news for you if you're ears rang in that situation your hearing has been damaged you may not have realized or noticed it yet but it's been damaged. It can be damaged by alot less. The entire US Marine Corps now uses Supressed Firearms because of how bad the hearing damage was with the indoor shooting that took place with the war in Iraq. US SOCOM uses both Supressed Firearms and electronic hearing protection to the tune of millions do you think they did that for no reason? It only takes once and the damage is perminant. You may not notice it for a decade or more but the damage is done.
@joshualittle877 Brother, I knew damage was going to be done to every part of my body when I enlisted back in 04. It comes with the job. That's why the VA has me rated 100% P&T. Anyway, this video is specifically talking home defense, not combat scenarios. Let me ask you a question, brother. How often in a lifetime does your average person discharge a firearm in a home defense situation? For most people, not ever. Not even once in their lifetime. So if God forbid, I have to use my weapon in a home defense situation I'll take a little more hearing loss to scare off other would be attackers. Besides if I'm canning a weapon I'm building the weapon around the can so I'd go 300 blackout with subsonic rounds so I'd have to buy a whole new rifle, plus the can, plus the filing fees for the can. I don't know if you've shot a canned 75 grain 5.56 in enclosed areas with no ear pro but that shit will still make your ears ring so if you're going to can something you've got to go subsonic if you don't want ringing ears and I'm not buying a whole new setup just so I can put a suppressor on it.
I agree people whining about how bad shots in a house are are over stating it (especially when its a once in a life time thing if it ever happens). Its deafening for 30 seconds and then you're good.
I feel like the 300 blk subsonic ammo is neutered out of a 1/7 twist barrel which is typical for most custom builds. Sig makes a 1/5 twist barrel for one of their 300 blackouts and the 1/5 twist is basically for subs only. Supers might tear up the barrel apparently. The twist on a 1/5 barrel opens up the subsonic ammo on impact for better expansion than a 1/7 or 1/8 twist barrel does.
Lots of people here aren't getting the point, that the noise would cause greater confusion in a tense situation and could lead to unintentional friendly fire because the other family member can't hear where you are or can't identify you by voice, so they may shoot out of surprise or uncertainty (breaking the fundamentals of gun safety, always be sure of your target). That said, I think it's an unlikely situation on top of an unlikely situation. If we're both armed, then we're clearing the house together and staying in sight to cover each other. The mistake is splitting up, like in most horror movies.
@@Enjoyer.762 It's a legit term, doesn't mean I think I'm professional or cool about it. Given that one major demographic of gun owners is veterans though, it's very risky (in terms of likely wrong) that you jumped to the conclusion you did.
My point is in a home invasion situation you should all do one of: A) Stick together, staying in sight of each other no matter what B) Anyone unarmed stays in one spot and hides, no matter what, in a place the armed person knows they are C) Both, such as kids staying in their rooms and armed adults sticking together. D) Not break the fundamental rule of gun safety, "always know what your target is"
@@Franimus I’m looking at it more like a sneaky break in. You get woken up by a slight noise. Try to wake the wife up but she won’t. Realize you can’t sit around and wait so you grab a gun and investigate. You spot someone who also has a gun and you shoot. The blast from your gun startles your wife… who quickly grabs another gun. Disoriented, half asleep, and ears ringing from a muzzle blast, she sees you first and then just pulls the trigger out of panic and confusion
@@johnnywaffles2482 SO THE WIFE WILL WAKE UP NOT REALIZING THE HUSBAND IS NOT THERE AND SHE JUST SHOOT THE FIRST PERSON SHE SEES???? You need a new wife! 🤣🤣🤣
If things go bump in the night, I clear the house while my wife wears ear protection. I hope we never find out how good the ear protection is but she typically sleeps wearing ear plugs. I have shot in confined indoor spaces without ear protection during training as a police officer years ago. It is not fun but I also know what to expect and if it is a home invasion, the bad guy will not be ready for it.
"purchase and register this unnecessary firearm accessory with the federal government or your wife will be mad at you in the incredibly unlikely event that you have to use it for home defense." what a shit take, fed.
@@tesla82111 If you really think a 2A loving Californian voted for gun restrictions in his own state, then you are definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.
@@tesla82111 We have a super majority that votes one way here. I cannot do anything about what happens at a state level. My vote does make a difference in the city I live in though and I am active in my community.
I feel like all of this "no suppressor on a home gun" stems from Warrior Poet Society's video talking about not having a can because he wants his neighbors to know if he's shooting.
In the situation in which you have to use your gun you or anyone in the house will not be concerned about the hearing. Because your life is the most important thing at the moment. If I have to discharge my weapon i want it to be heard
Plenty of us have forgotten ear pro out in the enclosed deer stand and are doing just fine. The push for suppressors for home defense is a bit ridiculous. Suppressors really shine when maneuverability isn’t a factor and when you are worried about being spotted. If they can’t figure out where you are firing from when you are in the same room then that is one amazing suppressor.
There’s been court cases of people using suppressors for home defense, even if you own a suppressor the judge will say that you had intent to kill with having that and I also couldn’t imagine an sbr either
I don’t know about that, what’s the likelihood of you shooting inside your own house? If someone is coming in, I don’t really care if I go deaf for a day or two.
The point he makes is 100% true. Most of the concussion is gonna come from the brake or flash hider directed down range so if there are more than one unfortunates down there the blast will catch them off guard and yea while the shots will be non hearing safe both with and with out the can you would want everyone to know in and around your house that a shot was fired so the police can come. That just makes sense to me. My wife might be pissed I rang her ears for about 5 min but maybe not gonna be so mad that I defended my family.
John lovell's advice is marginal at best. This is the same dude who said he keeps a throwaway handgun in his unlocked center console of his truck for easy access and said "oh well it is cheap" if it gets stolen. Hes a schmuck.
270 out of a 6 by 4 shooting house couldn’t prop my barrel out of the window so the end was inside only 1 window open. I say that’s why my hearing is a little wonky to this day
I feel you there. I did the same when I was about 12-14 I don’t remember exactly. That was the day I learned why flashbangs are so effective and why it’s so important to put the barrel past the window. Granted, the hell yea papaw lifestyle I lived from that time until about 21 didn’t help my ears either.
Shot a kit job out my back door a few years ago. Had to take a 3 hr nap because I was delirious. Still partially deaf in my right ear years later. My home defense is a supressed 300aac with 110 vmax. Even indoors with that suppressor it’s definitely tolerable. Slightly inconvenient but 10 times better than any other unsuppressed weapon.
Another consideration is that the police will be rolling to your home after a shooting. You want yourself and your family to follow the officers instructions when they get there. They can't do that if they are temporarily or permanently deaf.
Your 100% correct. I own a springfield 10mm, and it's suppressed. Sounds like someone claps their hands really loud next to my ear. I can still hear. My wife can still hear. Anyone who says dont suppress has never fired their weapon indoors without ears on. 20 years ago i had a 357 round go off in the ramge, i still hear the ringing when its quiet.
For real this dude is making stuff up and presenting it as truth. QCB with unsuppressed guns have been a thing for a long long time. Sure it will cause hearing loss, no you will not go instantly death.
I guess any combat veterans before hearing protection was common just got to do one mission then cuz after they shot their guns they became instantly deaf. Crazy
you don't have home inspections for a can weirdo. lists probably but.. wtf have you ever filled out a 4473.. your already on the lists you speak of @@TheBeefSlayer
Same. But I do worry about sitting in court listening to some prosecutor deem my HD choices as a danger to society or how I must’ve expected & planned ahead (pre-meditation) to use it. What a sad state of affairs to worry about being prosecuted by a jury of my “peers”, who’s only knowledge of AR pistols & suppressor comes in the form of hollywood movies, for simply defending myself.
Yeah, I’ve been preaching the same thing. I fired out of vehicles and in enclosed structures and each time it was with no hearing protection. Depending on what it is you are firing in situations like that… It’s relatable to a flash bang
Typical "range commando" take. That's like saying "going for a run" is similar to "running for your life". It's not, *John Lovell* addressed this issue of firing 10.3" & 14.5" m4s *inside* during direct action raids WITHOUT earpro. The adrenaline dump causes _Auditory Exclusion._ He actually "operated" *for real* and said there was never an issue with verbal communication during & after said raids. Your imaginary scenario is based on "feelings", John's are based on facts/experience, a.k.a. *actual reality.* 😂
Accurate. Firing a firearm inside is like flash banging yourself, especially if it’s a SHTF scenario in the middle of the night and you’re confronting someone right after waking up in a panic with no Ear Pro. One shot and your bell is rung. The concussion is real.
I love what warrior poet said, he won’t suppress his home defense gun because he wants the whole neighborhood to know that sh*t is going down at the Warrior port home.
What about horrific penalties being charged in a legitimate self-defense incident, as a crime using an NFA item? Most people will plea bargain for 15 years in prison to avoid additional NFA penalties.
Look it up. Look at plea bargains for alleged faulty self-defense, cases that never made it to a jury, and ones that did when NFA item involved. It's not pretty.
Had this conversation with a neighbor. He brought up that he wants the rest of the neighbors to know $h*t is going down so they can help/call the cops.
The assumption that he will automatically be on the winning end of a home invasion is a bad assumption in my opinion and secondly If the home invaders are unsuppressed with shorties then it won't matter if you're suppressed or not. I go unsuppressed for home defense because a big boom and a fireball will make anyone leave your home with or without wings and my family knows to cover their ears in that scenario
California be like "This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm," but they forget to say "not using this product is known to almost guarantee symptoms such as tinnitus... for you and the whole neighborhood."
I did fire my 12” barreled AR in my kitchen. Ground went thru my brand new carport door and the round fragments went thru an outside storage room door and into the wall and some hit a neighbors window. My kid and wife were asleep in the back bedrooms. They had no impact to their hearing from it whatsoever. My ears rang for a bit and everything sounded muffled for about 5 minutes. You aren’t going to deafen anyone, especially if they’re in another room.
Grit. You walk it off and walk forward, even though it sucks. But personally, between falling out of a tree and breaking 12 bones, and getting permanent severe ringing in my ears from a single 9mm and unlucky acoustics placement... I'd rather fall out of the tree again.
I wish we could have suppressors in this kommie state. I was in a one bed apartment when a 7.5 AR with a Ferfrans BMD had a ND. The pressure from the muzzle alone blew my hair back. My ears were ringing for a good 30 mins after that. It was like a damn flashbang went off right next to us. Legalize suppressors and disband the ATF!
I'm embarrassed to say I once had an ND with an M1 Garand indoors. No hearing protection. Yeah, that hurt. Scary as all get out too. So how loud is the 10.5" with M193 indoors?
Running suppressed is the best option but if your running a home defense gun with no light it don't matter if your suppressed or not. Your shooting anything that move. GET A LIGHT!!!
Question thought. If you where to use a suppressor in a defensive situation. Couldnt you just take the whisper pickle off? Since the ATF deems it as so you cannot release it to ANYONE that isn’t on the item(s) roster/registry/what ever they have as permissible persons that are allowed to be in possession of the item?
I’m glad to be a gun loving, 2A supporting American. And it’s nice to see so much more gun content online these days. But, I am not for the opinions of a lot of these guys and girls that state their opinions as fact! If you have a suppressed rifle as your home defense weapon, Awesome! If you don’t,Awesome! It’s not a mistake either way. But, it is a mistake when these “influencers” tell you it is or isn’t.
Used to live in this lovely rural property really close to a lovely town. Rented a nice room and bathroom in this old large 1930s country house with lots of beautiful wood furnishings. The owner was this millionaire old lady who was extremely nice and intelligent. And then she'd hunt possums late into the night using her little 32 gauge. Waking up close to midnight from the noise of a 32 gauge slug shot right next to your window is quite an experience. Which is only topped by the experience of waking up to the sound of a 32 gauge going off, nearly falling back asleep a minute later then getting another wake up cause she *missed the first shot*.
An interesting counterpoint to that is advice that I heard from a Seal/Operator who stated that he preferred to not suppress based on his value of the disruptive, deafening and concussive effect of enclosed gunfire (he was staying in a CQB context) as a means to disorient an adversary… from your approach, I’m assuming that in home defense this would only be relevant if you had the time/capacity (likely not) to adorn hearing protection and were the solitary occupant of your home (or had the only access to a firearm)… but as in the employment of flashbangs, user awareness and expectation of a disruptive force can perhaps mitigate the disruptive effects on the user…
I am deeply confused by civilian gun culture. This is a job I did in the army, and I would never want to suppressor in close combat. the over pressure of your weapon is a huge part of its emotional effect on the enemy. in fact, I just have fields of fire from my house and use a 308. I don’t shoot to kill anybody. All I have to do is fire five or six rounds in a designated field of fire and there is nobody on earth. It’s gonna stay in that house to find out what the hell that is, Sound is one of your best defense.
If the other person living in the home doesn't have enough situational control in a shooting situation to fire before identifying the target, they shouldn't have access to firearms.
As someone who was involuntarily involved in indoor 9mm discharge about 25 years ago, and caught the bad-end of some unfortunate wall acoustics... I would like to thank you for having this video short 'captioned'. And no, it didn't take 25 years to have problems. I instantly got a liberty-bell-sized dog whistle in both ears, and they've never stopped blowing. PS: "Safe Decocker" can be a bit of a misnomer.
I didn't choose to not suppress my home defense weapon I just can't afford that s***😂
It's absurd other countries have restrictions on guns and not supressors- while the US has restrictions on a safety item.
I scored a silencer co for 450 🎉 so....800 total! 😂
I have a hard time believing you can’t find $1k to save in your budget over the course of a year. Choices.
@@thejoatmooYou said it yourself, choices. Now tell me you don't live in your parents basement😂
@@ld8151 can't afford $500?
Shot a coyote out my bedroom window one morning, my wife didn't talk to me for a week , man that was a good week 😂
😂😂😂
Nah, she was still talking. . You just didn't hear anything but rrrrriiiiiinnnngggggg 😆
Nah, she talked that whole week but all you heard that week was. .RRRRRRIIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG!!! 😂
😂🤣
😂😂😂
The only combustion driven system the government doesn't want you to put a muffler on
@@VKEvilution this is the best thing ive ever read. Im stealin this one from ya
@@VKEvilution Maybe we should start telling them it's to save the environment. Doing our part to help "climate change."
@VKEvilution i actually never thought of it that way thats actually kinda funny😂
Also the only government that allows guns and does not *encourage* suppressors.
@@ryanburns3921 Time to pit the EPA against the ATF!
Title says "Don't Use a Suppressor" then guy goes on to describe why it's bad to shoot un-suppressed if you don't live alone.
yeah... makes no sense
@@blkpanther2k5 it’s called “click bait”
@@semaj30 I had no idea! 🤔😲
he has a fancy beard..so you must listen to his advice
Yeah I started disliking videos like this that use clickbait titles regardless of the content. Also any videos that say, "smash that like button." Lol
Look... the guy breaking into my house signed up for the full experience. He's gonna get it.
@@eljefeamericano4308 he won’t hear the shot that puts him down, heck probably won’t even feel it !
Make him pay full retail!
Meh. So are you when you clean up what's left of him. The people the cops send around to clean up only bother picking up the pieces. It's you that has to scrub the walls and floor...
No they mopped all the floors and took everything else that had blood on it@tsubadaikhan6332
A 10.5" 223 shot indoors is the full experience makes the 300 mag sound like a pellet gun
Guns are deafening even when outside. Indoors is about 20x worse
WHAT? WHO SAID THAT?
Definitely not “deafening outside” 😅 not at all….
Coming from someone who has shot outdoors with no ear protection - like it or not, I don’t care - and has been around people shooting outside.
Loud? Yes. “Deafening”? Definitely not.
@@JP_Patriotshot a 9mm p365 rose edition(wife's) outdoor without hearing and have permanently lost hearing in my left ear 😂 those ported barrels bark
@@bendabutcha
For some damage can come easier, I suppose. And over time it makes a difference. For sure. I wouldn’t argue that.
As you mentioned, certain firearms can be louder than others depending on several things - obviously.
@@JP_Patriot I hope no one reads your misinformation and takes it to heart. You won't enjoy permanent partial hearing loss that worsens as you age, along with the various tones of ringing and humming that will never leave you in peace. You likely wont notice it until years later, and you'll regret it. Been there, thought I was cool too. You don't have a superpower
Fyi: permanent hearing damage occurs from short pulse sounds around 120-135 decibels. Most firearms pulse around 160. Yes, even a Ruger 10/22 is 140+
We shouldn't have to pay a premium to get one.
In some countries it's illegal to not use them to prevent disturbing people.
But do you believe that you should not have one at your disposal so that you can avoid paying the premium?
That being said I hear holding a potato to the barrel works as well and last I checked you don't need a tax stamp for a potato
Yeah using one arm to hold a potato to your rifle while you shoot sounds sooo practical 😂
@sebastiangraham001 about as practical as using a rifle for home defense.
Now a handgun. Seems a bit more practical, no?
You don't have to. Buy one from China or make your own for $30 or less. I've seen several for $15-20 or even less.. but you can make your own for cheap also and there will be no record of it. Rights don't require permission, so there's no reason to pay extortion prices or to get one that's serialized.
Ahh yes because everybody knows you get a free complimentary suppressor with every gun you can barely afford 😂
😂😂😂
As someone who is thinking of getting a Glock for home defense, the suppressor is like twice the price of the gun itself, not even including the NFA tax stamp
Priorities
@@austinoliver-cl4vj Considering you'll never fire it in anger I think he's got his priorities sorted correctly.
@@spartanretroif you wait for a sale you can easily get one for about $600. I got mine for free with a bogo that SilencerShop ran 2 years back
Lets be real. Everyone would own a suppressor if it was easily accessible... But it's not.
For real, kinda out of pocket for him to say that. I feel fortunate my wife and I have handguns. Now to spend 2x that to get the can 😅 I'd love one, but jeez
Yes it is....🙄
@@Greatdivider2001 additional procedural requirements accompanied with a 200 dollar fee and extra liability for owning an NFA part. Can be easy for some, but not for all. I'm glad it's easy for you though brother. Should owning a suppressor be a prerequisite to owning a firearm?
@mattthomas2281 just simply stating it's not that difficult if you can pass a background check...but do what you wish.
@@Greatdivider2001 suppressors are also illegal in 8 states, so that probably holds some weight for why not everyone has one
So her eyes don’t work because the gun was loud? 😂
Exactly. This was the dumbest shit I've ever heard
The best part is these guys refuse to address that the home invaders will 99.99999% not have a suppressor either. It’s like congratulations you are firing “quietly” at them, but they are firing full volume at you.
home invaders don’t shoot back. 99.99999% of the time, if you open fire they run
@@SpiderrManX you do realize the stats show that having a gun makes things more dangerous for the homeowner. That the lefts argument is that you are essentially putting your life at a higher risk, to protect property. Lol so I probably underestimated my percentage and you grossly overestimated yours.
While no stats would make me get rid of my firearm, I’m not going to worry about noise that can be potentially coming back worse in my direction. Especially at the expense of maneuverability.
@@SpiderrManX you do realize the stats show that having a gun makes things more dangerous for the homeowner. That the lefts argument is that you are essentially putting your life at a higher risk, to protect property. Lol so I probably underestimated my percentage and you grossly overestimated yours.
While no stats would make me get rid of my firearm, I’m not going to worry about noise that can be potentially coming back worse in my direction. Especially at the expense of maneuverability.
Exactly!!! And this is why suppressors shouldn’t be a NFA item!!
Even if they weren't this ridiculous industry would find a way to charge an absurd amount of money for them. All things considered a suppressor should cost like $50, at most.
cringe - don't take advice from someone too lazy to keep themselves fit
@KFish-bw1om I actually believe that the price would drop drastically if they were removed from the NFA. As it stands now, they don’t sell that many because a lot of potential buyers don’t wanna wait a year or more for approval after shelling out around $1000 for a suppressor. Waiting times have improved recently and are much better , but the $200 tax stamp still turns buyers away.
However, if the tax stamp was removed, and the waiting period became 3 days or less, then many many more people would buy them. This would cause more manufacturing and more competition between producers, which would drive down the cost over time
@@stevilknevil107 If the demand were suddenly and massively increased, the price would skyrocket. Just like it did with ammo. I guarantee you that manufacturers who are already able to sell their product for way more than it's worth, are not going to lower the price all that much. Especially now that everyone wants one. It would come down a little after that initial demand spike died down. Which would probably take about a year or more, and they might still end up costing more than they do right now once it levels off.
@@KFish-bw1om Just make you're own. It wont be of a quality standard as a professionally machined one, but a metal tube with some washers in it does the job.
Its illegal to make and own, but itll save your ears. Just take the damn thing off and hide it somewhere before the PoPo shows up.
Beg your pardon, but if it's a home defense situation: I'm not sweating anyone's hearing over the alternative. Priorities, man!
Why would you insist in making your family pay for a home intruders mistake?
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Soooo truuuuu dooood.
Think of all the divorces that've happened in the centuries before suppressors, all these selfish husbands opening fire on home invaders with their loud muskets!
The nerve of them to not care more about the HEARING of the bystander than the LIFE of the bystander.
Wait until you learn about things like "construction sites" and all the INCONSIDERATE NOISE they make ;(
Ugh, and to think they're using those jackhammers for FUN and to cause damage to the hearing of anyone in a quarter mile radius!
Me and you, buddy. We're gonna team up and go to war against loud noise! They're making everyone pay!;(
What? It's only cool if YOU use fallacies?
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz absolutely correct
Congrats man you lived the encounter only to live the rest of your life with hearing aids because you didn’t want to put a tube on your barrel
@zadotterazo690 Yeah, we could also invest in a security system. We'll buy some extra cameras, put motion detectors covering the most likely avenue of approach... hell, why not have armed sentries?
We need to make it illegal for prosecutors to use the style of weapon and accessories against you, I read a study once that said you were far more likely to be convicted in a self defense scenario for using something like an AR over a shotgun
You think theyre gonna take my beloved SBR? Nah son, pepper em with the junk PSA that way the barrel is hot, and give em that.
JJ Reeves at TFBTV did a series on exactly that.
Not in Texas 😊
@@ydoIhavetohaveachann I totally agree they need to fix the self defense laws. You should not be charged for defending your life. They care more about getting paid to charge you for and convict you with a dumb crime. Just for defending your life against a criminal. These criminals are being treated with more respect than law abiding citizens
@@Recipe_For_Disaster_TV my PSA is not junk thank you very much 😭😭
Also remember that problem you mention to family being deafened, the INTRUDER also will be deaf, and if you have good ear protection like over-ear active style Peltors, you have super-hearing before and after a shot. HUGE, underrated advantage.
You going to pop those on in the dark in the middle of the night, when someone kicks in your front door?
@@ryanguldbrandsen7672 Yep, I keep them on my firearm. Putting on over-ear headset takes no extra time than picking up the firearm.
You go ahead and try and shoot inside without if you wish, but I actually like my eardrums.
@@Santoroz unrealistic in a real scenario
@@MrKeykeylikesit Good luck with that opinion. I apologize to your ears in advance.
If my home is compromised by any means, I am not Suppressing shit…
A sbr 556 with a suppressor is still loud and not hearing safe lol. That's coming from a combat medic, who now on the civilian side, doing hearing test while typing this.
It’s not hearing safe, but it’s a hell of a lot quieter than unsuppressed
I tested 9 mm in a small space. @ 120 decibel I can still hear after 1 shot. After a 30 round mag dump, probably not.
@Smitty.WerbenJagerManJensen. true but still doesn't mean anything when it comes to protecting you n your family's hearing. Just go 300 blkout which is meant for sbr length.
Crashing a car and crashing a motorcycle are both unsafe but I'd much rather crash my car.
@@_iso_553 or you could just use a suppressed 300 blkout or sub .45 and don't have to worry about it.
What?!?
(Late 90s Early 2000s vet checking in)
Huh??? (Late 80s Early 90s vet asking)
Same.
😮
You got some of those defective earplugs too?
I shot a .22lr into my bedroom mirror acting like a gangster one time when my parents were out of town. I was about 22 years old, I’m 38 now. Even that caused my ears to ring pretty bad.
I took my mirror off and patched the hole and painted it before my parents got home. I concocted a story about how I was throwing a football up in the air and catching it but it got caught in the ceiling fan and got slung into the mirror, breaking the mirror. I told them the actual truth about 5 years later and we had a laugh about it.
I tried to reply but UA-cam keeps censoring my comment, so here's take 18:
I my mothers expensive Italian leather couch out the window with some mates with a back when we were allowed to own in my country. Soon as she came home she noticed it and asked wtf I would her couch. I panicked and said, "It moo'd." Needless to say I got grounded for eternity. I'm 67 and I'm still grounded!
One day my Uncle gets a frantic call from his son away at college. "Dad, I need you to wire me $XX so I can buy a new TV for my roommate!" Why? Because he shot the cowboy on screen, and it turned out the always loaded gun was actually loaded.
I'm hung up that not only were you still living at home at 22, but you still didn't know how to handle a gun at that age. 😂
@@oni_goroshi I lived at home till I was damn near 30. And I still play with loaded guns in the mirror to this day. I’m just more careful about is the safety actually on 🙂
@@oni_goroshi nobody likes you
I’ll suppress my weapons when I don’t have to pay a fucking tax stamp…
You don't. Just make one yourself. Rights don't require permission and they can't tell you "no" if you're not asking. When people stop being cowards and stop asking, there's absolutely Nothing they can do about it.
@@deucedeuce1572 I don’t have the means to make one.
@@williamwatkins2538 Why not? You have a brain and a computer. There are many ways to make them with minimal tools. You could even buy a "fuel filter" and then just drill the end cap to finish it. That requires almost no tools or knowledge at all. There are many ways to buy commercially available parts and then turn them into a suppressor with very, very limited knowledge or tools. If you do the research on it, you'll probably find several different ways to go about making one. They're very simple devices. Some people even make them out of simple flashlight parts or out of oil filters. You can literally buy an actual car oil filter and a 1/2x28 adapter and screw one on to a rifle or handgun and use it as suppressor. (...and they work well at suppressing the sound and the flash, but they are more bulky than the average suppressor).
@@deucedeuce1572 it’s oil filter not fuel filter, I actually don’t own a computer. Cheapest doesn’t last.
@@williamwatkins2538 It's both. One is called "fuel filters" which is an already made device very much like a suppressor that just needs a hole drilled in the end... and the other is an Oil Filter, which is an actual oil filter. I'd post a link for one of the fuel filters, but youtube is made up by a bunch of snowflakes.
The intruder most likely won't be suppressed themselves.
Don't let them shoot first.
@@RedHuntsman
“DoNt lET tHeM” 😂🤣
It isn’t Hollywood, kid.
If you have the means, ALWAYS suppress home defense weapon(s). Why? Because guns are waaay loud in a house. And if you have to shoot at night, the muzzle flash WILL blind you. You need to be able to hear AND see what is coming your way. While you MIGHT experience auditory exclusion, others in the house will not. If you need to give them instructions, they won't hear them.
Can confirm all of this from first hand experience.
Why not hearing protection for everyone in the house. The loud noise would then not effect your family, and send a clear message to anyone else lurking around to not try it.
@@feedthesoil446 Too much to remember in an emergency situation, and they may not be able to hear your instructions. What if you have small children? No way a 3, 4 or 5 YO is going be able to put on hearing protection by themselves, let alone quickly...and they would have to be woken up first.
Suppressor is the best solution. While a shot may 'send a message', it also gives away your position. If they are armed and determined to harm you, you just lost an advantage.
@@feedthesoil446 Ok, so... someone's kicking your door in. give yourself 10 seconds to figure out what's going on. No that wasn't a mishandled UPS package, someone's really kicking the door in. Then give yourself 15 seconds to locate every family member. Then another 15 seconds to tell them to put on hearing protection. Give them about 3-4 minutes to _find_ their hearing protection (if they're especially organized). And then... actually, at that point, don't bother, because everything which was going to happen is already over.
Most residential doors take like 5 seconds to kick in. if that. And then there's windows...
In all seriousness, it "can" be done... but you'd need to have multiple sets of hearing protection in every room of the house, all with routinely updated batteries (if they are powered), and you'd have to do realistic drills of the procedure with the whole family. It's "possible" to pull off, just highly improbable.
My wife and I have been to so many Slayer and PANTERA concerts that we start to headbang when we hear shots.
Pantera and headband when hear shots fired 😢
You and your wife went? 🤘🤘🤘🤘
I have electric ear protection near my .357 magnum 🤣
And no wife... Correct?
@@RichardCranium321Just give the wife hearing protection too.
@@thisagame5847 In a life or death situation every single second counts.
@@alariciii4963 Have it out on the bedside.
You seem very well prepared for the make believe scenario you have concocted
Not everyone lives in your gated community.
Some people live in aurora Colorado in an apartment building currently being taken over by Venezuelan cartels.........
@@jacktrout5807 'gang members have not taken over' - aurora police.
no one is invading your home. you can relax lil bro
@reedoken6143 how much are you paying for Kool aid?
@reedoken6143 I am not your little bro.
More like your grandad.
@@jacktrout5807 there were ~850k breakins in 2022, which is about 1 in 370 people. additionally, breakins are 300% more likely on homes without security systems. seeing how concerned you are about breakins, you definitely own a security system, so that brings your odds to about 1 in 1500. plus, only ~25% of breakins occur while someone is at home, so the odds you'll actually be in a 'home defense' situation are about 1 in 6000. seems worth mentioning that ~50% of breakin perpetrators know the victim as well; if you did get the 1 in 6000 chance, there's a coinflip that you're shooting someone you know.
maybe you should be more worried about your pension grampa and less concerned with immigrants and house breakins now that you know the statistics :)
This is why I keep a set of electronic ear pro next to my bedside 10.5 inch AR. That’s the least of my worries though. I’m pretty sure my apartment complex would promptly evict my ass if I ever discharged a firearm inside my place, even if it was to stop a home invasion.
Better than being killed. At that moment, the least of your worries will be getting evicted. Besides that, the supreme court just weighed in and said that apartment complexes and landlords cannot ban the possession (or lawful use) of firearms for their tenants. Just because you do not own your own home does not mean that you don't have the Rights of self defense and self preservation... so landlords cannot tell you that you cannot have a firearm or use it in self defense. They're shutting down the "laws" banning guns in "sensitive places" too.
Some of us live in states that won't allow us to suppress our weapons.
We don't refuse or choose not to suppress our home defense weapon. We can't.
I mean, we totally can. It'll just mean a felony charge the instant we have to use it.
Illegal to even possess in NJ. You can't even own one legally in another state, and bring it here if you move in to NJ
N.J. Stat. Ann. § 2C:39-3(c) prohibits the possession of suppressors.
If you have a PCC and an oil filter you have a hearing safe PCC.
Just make sure it isnt around when the evidence gets taken.
@robertbrink3455 Slingshots are illegal in NJ. I'm so glad I left that place. Murphy just keeps making it worse.
Rights don't require permission and they can't say "no" if you're not asking. Any person can buy one from China for $20.00 ... or better yet, just make one yourself.
My tinnitus is so bad already that it keeps me awake at night. I'm not filling out any forms paying ungodly prices and giving $200 in "taxes" away to be on a list.
What?
Rights don't require permission or approval (or taxes). You could make one yourself for just a couple bucks with common, inexpensive ad simple equipment. If you can't figure it out though, you can still order one from China for $20.
NY says Fack your hearing and double for anyone near you. Can’t have them 😢
"jUsT mOvE bRO" -every downie that lives with thier mommy and daddy in a free state
Same with California. Damn tyrants
Same for MA 😢
Same here in Taxachusetts. The only people that have suppressors in this state are police and criminals.
@@NothingEverHappensLol
I mean that is the solution.
Or get off your ass and pay attention to local elections not just federal.
Pats and taps, code words, and signal number.
I run suppressed and my wife knows there are three things to do when I walk out that door.
Challenge and pass: (Example) I say: There's a snake. She answers: In my boot.
Numbers: (# of the day is 5) if she can't hear me I'll flash my weapon light at the base of the door an odd number let's say 3. She flashes back 2 that equals 5 I'm safe from a slug.
Pats and Taps: same concept as numbers but with me knocking on the wall ( not the door!) her replying with knocks on the wall to equal the number of the day.
Last one
Running: all hell has broke loss and you have to get out quick. Id run up to the door yelling a "running" code, example: Blue Moon, Blue Moon, Blue Moon then she'll repeat it as she grabs her bag and the baby and we move. (DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR TILL YOU HEAR THE REPEAT!)
You do speak the truth. That’s why I prefer various blades for inside. Sharp objects are deadly when practiced. can make nice decor, and or are easily placed out of visual. Big bonus is there silent and less messy / less damage to repair if round passes through and into wall.
but if you cook off a .300blk subsonic suppressed she'll never know
LMAO whatever you say
News flash it still makes a loud sound that you hear it's a suppressor not silencer. It's not the movies
@adamlong54 who are you telling jr
@adamlong54 news flash msnbc of youtube you're not the wise all knowing and if you can't tell me what decible a 1000 fps 150gr projectile is at 1500ft sea level you might want to humble yourself before I make you cry on the internet with words trough a screen snatch your confidence and sauté it with your arrogance
@adamlong54 i apologize for being rude ,off day
@@jimdandy3823 it's all good brother it's UA-cam lol. Bunch of assholes including me we're just kill time and talking shit here after all. I'm the asshole who picks on everyone else my shell is thick 😂😂😂✌️
Well a band with 3 guitars drums and bass in a cinder block building killed my ears years ago lol..I sleep with 2 fans on and still hear middle C
Im a metal bassist and I use weapons im use to the fuzz. Another band cracked up their amps all the way up but had horrible distortion that fucked me and my whole bands hearing
I was reading an article a couple months ago that had a lot of scientific studies and statistics in it that claimed there's evidence to show that loud noises are not what cause hearing loss and/or that damage to the ear drum from loud noises is not what the cause is... and that it's almost always caused by changes in the brain and not the ear. I can't say it's true or not. I really have no clue, but it was interesting to read the studies.
@@deucedeuce1572 that band gave us a tbi then lol
@@GrimorslocheBlissOP lol
@@GrimorslocheBlissOP That sounds like a good name for a band too.
What are the ramifications of shooting someone with a nfa registered item in the event you get screwed by the government and convited of something in a home defense situation?
The same as anything else
@@VSO_Gun_Channel I thought I saw somewhere someone made a video about it being a worse charge.
.. the jury is gonna feel a certain way about you using a suppressor, let alone any AR@@Ketchupbelongsonsteak
@@Ketchupbelongsonsteak I've never heard thay... why in the hell would it?
@@dtdlilcoold I don't remember who it was but a "guntuber" talked about it.
A 9mm through a 16-18" barrel is a hell of a lot quieter and still has decent energy. PCC for indoors without a can (cant have cans here).
Less chance of over penetration.
Working I let loose 5 rounds of 12ga out of a vehicle window. It did what it was supposed to do but looking back I wish I had time pushed my barrel a bit further out the window 😅
You POORS dont have a can on every gun?
no i have two dads :(
Lol exactly
I have one can for every like 10. People that afford one for every gun have few guns or lots and lots of money.
Cans are for the rich to keep the poor poorer😂
The government in my state says they’re for bad people😢
I’m a big believer in a rifle suppressor for home defense, but a handgun I think should be left unsuppressed. Handguns that are suppressed can be very finicky. Not something I’d be wanting to bet my life on.
Maybe, random thought, buy a better handgun?
I can still hear a single 9mm from 25 years ago.
I'd recommend rethinking that viewpoint.
There's also constant carry. My sidearm is NOT going to have a supressor for the EVERY DAY CARRY load out. Pants, pistol, boots then coffee
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz you’re totally missing the point. When you add a Nielson device, you’re adding variables. You should only use a suppressor on a fixed barreled firearm for serious purposes.
@@DavidA20200 maybe you should only use a bolt action for serious purposes, since a gas system adds variables.
I had a 7.5” 556 shot at my face from about 6 feet away in a bedroom idk if it was the adrenaline or what but I could hear just fine after I realized I was still alive lol given I would definitely go ahead and agree I’d much prefer a suppressor for HD
The brain will suppress the sound as a coping mechanism, but the physical damage is done.
100% adrenaline saved your hearing and focused your other senses. It occurs for some folks...but those beside you or in the next rom, don't have the adrenaline pumping as much.
If I absolutely had to shoot my 8" 5.56 PDW in doors unsuppressed, I'd throw on a blast diffuser like the QD Blast Shield from Griffin Armament. It'll still be loud as heck, but it'll send most of the concussive force out and away from me.
@@Knight_of_the_Old_Code The problem with "indoors" is that sound goes out, bounces off every wall in front of you, and comes right back like a cruel game of dodgeball against physics. That's literally WHY discharges are so bad indoors.
You could get lucky, or unlucky, with the acoustics. I can still hear a single 9mm round from 25 years ago, loudly.
@@kathrynck I understand. If I could run a can on the end of it, I would.
Too bad us “free citizens” in the United States of America can’t buy a silencer without spending tons of money and tons of time trying to get through the legal paperwork and afterwords they might not even “allow” you to have one anyways
Buy one from China for $20 or make one. It's cheap and don't require permission. Rights don't require permission anyways and they can't say "no" if you're not asking. If people just stop asking, there's Nothing they can do about it.
I think the other people that live in my home are more concerned that I deal with the threat than their ears hurting.
This has always puzzled me. I'm not American but I've shot a "sbr" inside without hearing protection and a pistol once or twice. Its of the charts compared to outside. It's what I would imagine a flashbang to be. The first thing I would always have would be hearing protection if not a silencer
100% agree.
Even a single 9mm can act like a flashbang if you get unlucky with the acoustics.
Noise cancelling hearing protection. Cheaper than a suppressor and tax stamp.
@@headpainter1 If you keep it handy, and fresh on batteries, yes. But that requires more foresight and organization than many (most) have.
Damn how did all those people even survive before silencers were common?!?! If someone breaks into my house I doubt anyone is upset from some ringy ears.
If you shoot a rifle indoors everyone affected is guaranteed permanent severe hearing damage.
@@deebee4575 Better than dead, Change my mind
@@SALTYDEVILWhile that is true at face value, studies show even mild hearing loss doubles dementia risk.
Moderate hearing loss= 3x.
Severe hearing loss= 5x.
@@daftpanda6533dementia in your 60's Vs being dead in whatever age you are now
I'll take hearing voices later
@@148crusaderYou could also prepare to avoid great bodily harm.
Don’t forget about auditory exclusion! I had to shoot my Mossberg Shockwave inside my home in a domestic violence situation and my adrenaline was pumping so bad I never heard the shots and I never had ringing in my ears! It was so weird!
I bet she stopped talking back after that 😂
@@darksu6947 it was actually my extremely violent crackhead father who was trying to kill my mother.
I had this happen while hunting one time it was weird!
@@Tennessee_est1983 My bad dude. It's rather unfortunate that you had to go through such a thing. I hope life is treating you better these days. Happy trails Kemosabe.
@@darksu6947 Thanks man!
Number 1 reason for not using one in my opinion is if you have to use your firearm inside your house everyone should know what’s getting ready to happen and put on hearing protection.
Number 2 reason is I want everyone in the neighborhood to know there’s a fire fight going on so they can call the police.
Preparing for the worst is always better than wishing you did. Just what I do and believe.
Cav Scout combat vet here. I've fired THOUSANDS of rounds in closed in spaces with multiple people firing at the same time. Ears ring for a bit, but then they're fine. If you're afraid of your wife shooting you after an indoor firefight then perhaps you need to revise your communication plan. I don't use a suppressor because if they're happen to be multiple bad guy's the loud bang that happens without a suppressor is usually enough to scare off any other would be attackers.
Hey bonehead got news for you if you're ears rang in that situation your hearing has been damaged you may not have realized or noticed it yet but it's been damaged. It can be damaged by alot less. The entire US Marine Corps now uses Supressed Firearms because of how bad the hearing damage was with the indoor shooting that took place with the war in Iraq. US SOCOM uses both Supressed Firearms and electronic hearing protection to the tune of millions do you think they did that for no reason? It only takes once and the damage is perminant. You may not notice it for a decade or more but the damage is done.
@joshualittle877 Brother, I knew damage was going to be done to every part of my body when I enlisted back in 04. It comes with the job. That's why the VA has me rated 100% P&T. Anyway, this video is specifically talking home defense, not combat scenarios. Let me ask you a question, brother. How often in a lifetime does your average person discharge a firearm in a home defense situation? For most people, not ever. Not even once in their lifetime. So if God forbid, I have to use my weapon in a home defense situation I'll take a little more hearing loss to scare off other would be attackers. Besides if I'm canning a weapon I'm building the weapon around the can so I'd go 300 blackout with subsonic rounds so I'd have to buy a whole new rifle, plus the can, plus the filing fees for the can. I don't know if you've shot a canned 75 grain 5.56 in enclosed areas with no ear pro but that shit will still make your ears ring so if you're going to can something you've got to go subsonic if you don't want ringing ears and I'm not buying a whole new setup just so I can put a suppressor on it.
New Corps😂. Ask me about the Old Corps. @@joshualittle877
I agree people whining about how bad shots in a house are are over stating it (especially when its a once in a life time thing if it ever happens). Its deafening for 30 seconds and then you're good.
I lost hearing from shooting outdoors with a 9mm pistol with a ported barrel 😂 I must be pussy
I guess people haven't heard of 300 Blackout expanding subsonic HD rounds.
Weak ass ballistics.
300 BO is basically a 45 acp. I will never understand why more people refuse to accept this.
@@jasondesselles9168
Except more aerodynamic with better range. And yes, subsonic 300 is basically the same as. 45.
@@jasondesselles9168 more weight, longer rifle, bigger round but subsonic. I feel like it should have just been 9mm suppressed at that point.
I feel like the 300 blk subsonic ammo is neutered out of a 1/7 twist barrel which is typical for most custom builds. Sig makes a 1/5 twist barrel for one of their 300 blackouts and the 1/5 twist is basically for subs only. Supers might tear up the barrel apparently. The twist on a 1/5 barrel opens up the subsonic ammo on impact for better expansion than a 1/7 or 1/8 twist barrel does.
Lots of people here aren't getting the point, that the noise would cause greater confusion in a tense situation and could lead to unintentional friendly fire because the other family member can't hear where you are or can't identify you by voice, so they may shoot out of surprise or uncertainty (breaking the fundamentals of gun safety, always be sure of your target).
That said, I think it's an unlikely situation on top of an unlikely situation. If we're both armed, then we're clearing the house together and staying in sight to cover each other. The mistake is splitting up, like in most horror movies.
"Clearing the house" ok meal team 6 lol
@@Enjoyer.762 It's a legit term, doesn't mean I think I'm professional or cool about it. Given that one major demographic of gun owners is veterans though, it's very risky (in terms of likely wrong) that you jumped to the conclusion you did.
My point is in a home invasion situation you should all do one of:
A) Stick together, staying in sight of each other no matter what
B) Anyone unarmed stays in one spot and hides, no matter what, in a place the armed person knows they are
C) Both, such as kids staying in their rooms and armed adults sticking together.
D) Not break the fundamental rule of gun safety, "always know what your target is"
@@Franimus I’m looking at it more like a sneaky break in. You get woken up by a slight noise. Try to wake the wife up but she won’t. Realize you can’t sit around and wait so you grab a gun and investigate. You spot someone who also has a gun and you shoot. The blast from your gun startles your wife… who quickly grabs another gun. Disoriented, half asleep, and ears ringing from a muzzle blast, she sees you first and then just pulls the trigger out of panic and confusion
@@johnnywaffles2482 SO THE WIFE WILL WAKE UP NOT REALIZING THE HUSBAND IS NOT THERE AND SHE JUST SHOOT THE FIRST PERSON SHE SEES????
You need a new wife! 🤣🤣🤣
Everybody knows that silencers are for your in-home library only 🤫
If things go bump in the night, I clear the house while my wife wears ear protection. I hope we never find out how good the ear protection is but she typically sleeps wearing ear plugs.
I have shot in confined indoor spaces without ear protection during training as a police officer years ago. It is not fun but I also know what to expect and if it is a home invasion, the bad guy will not be ready for it.
"purchase and register this unnecessary firearm accessory with the federal government or your wife will be mad at you in the incredibly unlikely event that you have to use it for home defense." what a shit take, fed.
It's as if electronic earpro doesn't exist or takes more than 2 seconds to put on...
My living situation is California 🥺
Ew. Vote better.
Move to America.
@@tesla82111 If you really think a 2A loving Californian voted for gun restrictions in his own state, then you are definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.
@@tesla82111 We have a super majority that votes one way here. I cannot do anything about what happens at a state level. My vote does make a difference in the city I live in though and I am active in my community.
@@deebee4575 😂
I feel like all of this "no suppressor on a home gun" stems from Warrior Poet Society's video talking about not having a can because he wants his neighbors to know if he's shooting.
Having been in the nfa community since before guntube was a thing, I can attest the idea predates warrior poet by at least a decade
Id like to be able to hear the second shot or anything else for the rest of my life
Pfft. People out in the sticks couldn't care less if you hear gun shots at night.
A suppressor can literally save you and your loved ones hearing.
@@stickfighter1038 Me: * cries in Californian * 😭
In the situation in which you have to use your gun you or anyone in the house will not be concerned about the hearing. Because your life is the most important thing at the moment. If I have to discharge my weapon i want it to be heard
Plenty of us have forgotten ear pro out in the enclosed deer stand and are doing just fine. The push for suppressors for home defense is a bit ridiculous.
Suppressors really shine when maneuverability isn’t a factor and when you are worried about being spotted. If they can’t figure out where you are firing from when you are in the same room then that is one amazing suppressor.
There’s been court cases of people using suppressors for home defense, even if you own a suppressor the judge will say that you had intent to kill with having that and I also couldn’t imagine an sbr either
Any resources?
I don’t know about that, what’s the likelihood of you shooting inside your own house? If someone is coming in, I don’t really care if I go deaf for a day or two.
But but but John Lovell from warrior poet said we shouldn’t use suppressors for home defense 😅😑
When he said that I cringed. His 'logic' don't make dollars there.
The point he makes is 100% true. Most of the concussion is gonna come from the brake or flash hider directed down range so if there are more than one unfortunates down there the blast will catch them off guard and yea while the shots will be non hearing safe both with and with out the can you would want everyone to know in and around your house that a shot was fired so the police can come. That just makes sense to me. My wife might be pissed I rang her ears for about 5 min but maybe not gonna be so mad that I defended my family.
I think he may have walked that one back not too long ago actually.
John lovell's advice is marginal at best. This is the same dude who said he keeps a throwaway handgun in his unlocked center console of his truck for easy access and said "oh well it is cheap" if it gets stolen. Hes a schmuck.
@grayantihero6059 hahaha yeah between you and John, he's the schmuck? Hahaha
If you stop a home intruder I doubt your other occupants are going to be mad that you saving their lives was loud...
You'd be surprised how pissy people get over the dumbest shit.
270 out of a 6 by 4 shooting house couldn’t prop my barrel out of the window so the end was inside only 1 window open. I say that’s why my hearing is a little wonky to this day
My brother has one and man that caliber is super loud.
I feel you there. I did the same when I was about 12-14 I don’t remember exactly. That was the day I learned why flashbangs are so effective and why it’s so important to put the barrel past the window. Granted, the hell yea papaw lifestyle I lived from that time until about 21 didn’t help my ears either.
Shot a kit job out my back door a few years ago. Had to take a 3 hr nap because I was delirious. Still partially deaf in my right ear years later. My home defense is a supressed 300aac with 110 vmax. Even indoors with that suppressor it’s definitely tolerable. Slightly inconvenient but 10 times better than any other unsuppressed weapon.
You can also use subsonics if you don’t have a suppressor. Still cause hearing damage but you don’t get the sound barrier crack.
Haha. No joke. Even an unsuppressed 22 in a house is friggen super loud
Suppressors are safety equipment like mufflers and should be included with every purchase like they require on automobiles.
Another consideration is that the police will be rolling to your home after a shooting. You want yourself and your family to follow the officers instructions when they get there. They can't do that if they are temporarily or permanently deaf.
@@jimfirestone351 No you don't.
Your 100% correct. I own a springfield 10mm, and it's suppressed. Sounds like someone claps their hands really loud next to my ear. I can still hear. My wife can still hear. Anyone who says dont suppress has never fired their weapon indoors without ears on. 20 years ago i had a 357 round go off in the ramge, i still hear the ringing when its quiet.
Its nice to see someone on the right side of this debate
To many people haven't experienced gun fire without ear protection let alone indoors
I couldn’t hear what you’re talking about
It's captioned though!
I needed the captions too....
Nah dude.. i shot a 5.56 in a bedroom once and it really wasn’t that bad. Definitely did not make me deaf.
How long was the barrel?
@@ralphsawyer9535 16"
@@onlyfacts4me A 10" barrel will make you think your ears are bleeding.
@@ralphsawyer9535 i could see that.
For real this dude is making stuff up and presenting it as truth. QCB with unsuppressed guns have been a thing for a long long time. Sure it will cause hearing loss, no you will not go instantly death.
Big truth... I'd only run a silenced gun for hd
Great video.
Many good points.
Great sense of humor.
Only in the gun world can we appreciate learning with humor to this degree.
I guess any combat veterans before hearing protection was common just got to do one mission then cuz after they shot their guns they became instantly deaf. Crazy
in my case, it wouldn’t be a slug. It would be a .40S&W hollow point 😂
I am not paying a tax to use a right
Yeah, the kicker is the tax goes directly to the orginization trying to restrict 2a rights.
I live alone AND run a suppressor on my HD gun. I don't see any legit reason not to go suppressed.
Money is a good reason. Being on the lists is another. Along with agreeing to produce your serialized item for the rest of your life on command.
you don't have home inspections for a can weirdo. lists probably but.. wtf have you ever filled out a 4473.. your already on the lists you speak of
@@TheBeefSlayer
@@TheBeefSlayerbest argument is a ridiculous tax
Same. But I do worry about sitting in court listening to some prosecutor deem my HD choices as a danger to society or how I must’ve expected & planned ahead (pre-meditation) to use it. What a sad state of affairs to worry about being prosecuted by a jury of my “peers”, who’s only knowledge of AR pistols & suppressor comes in the form of hollywood movies, for simply defending myself.
the only reason not to use a supressor is because its too expensive and you dont have one if you have it use it if you dont then dont use it
Yeah, I’ve been preaching the same thing. I fired out of vehicles and in enclosed structures and each time it was with no hearing protection. Depending on what it is you are firing in situations like that… It’s relatable to a flash bang
I wonder if that shot in a confined space was a negligent discharge like i did. I was deaf for a while from one round into the floor.
Typical "range commando" take. That's like saying "going for a run" is similar to "running for your life".
It's not, *John Lovell* addressed this issue of firing 10.3" & 14.5" m4s *inside* during direct action raids WITHOUT earpro. The adrenaline dump causes _Auditory Exclusion._
He actually "operated" *for real* and said there was never an issue with verbal communication during & after said raids.
Your imaginary scenario is based on "feelings", John's are based on facts/experience, a.k.a. *actual reality.* 😂
Accurate. Firing a firearm inside is like flash banging yourself, especially if it’s a SHTF scenario in the middle of the night and you’re confronting someone right after waking up in a panic with no Ear Pro. One shot and your bell is rung. The concussion is real.
I love what warrior poet said, he won’t suppress his home defense gun because he wants the whole neighborhood to know that sh*t is going down at the Warrior port home.
What about horrific penalties being charged in a legitimate self-defense incident, as a crime using an NFA item? Most people will plea bargain for 15 years in prison to avoid additional NFA penalties.
Look it up. Look at plea bargains for alleged faulty self-defense, cases that never made it to a jury, and ones that did when NFA item involved. It's not pretty.
Had this conversation with a neighbor. He brought up that he wants the rest of the neighbors to know $h*t is going down so they can help/call the cops.
Glad you have this take. I completely agree.
The assumption that he will automatically be on the winning end of a home invasion is a bad assumption in my opinion and secondly If the home invaders are unsuppressed with shorties then it won't matter if you're suppressed or not. I go unsuppressed for home defense because a big boom and a fireball will make anyone leave your home with or without wings and my family knows to cover their ears in that scenario
California be like "This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm," but they forget to say "not using this product is known to almost guarantee symptoms such as tinnitus... for you and the whole neighborhood."
Out of all the in-garage burnouts with open headers.. the few discharges I've had indoors didn't seem to bother me.
I did fire my 12” barreled AR in my kitchen. Ground went thru my brand new carport door and the round fragments went thru an outside storage room door and into the wall and some hit a neighbors window. My kid and wife were asleep in the back bedrooms. They had no impact to their hearing from it whatsoever. My ears rang for a bit and everything sounded muffled for about 5 minutes. You aren’t going to deafen anyone, especially if they’re in another room.
Hmmm, I wonder how they shot intruders before suppressors were a thing...
Grit. You walk it off and walk forward, even though it sucks.
But personally, between falling out of a tree and breaking 12 bones, and getting permanent severe ringing in my ears from a single 9mm and unlucky acoustics placement... I'd rather fall out of the tree again.
I wish we could have suppressors in this kommie state.
I was in a one bed apartment when a 7.5 AR with a Ferfrans BMD had a ND. The pressure from the muzzle alone blew my hair back. My ears were ringing for a good 30 mins after that. It was like a damn flashbang went off right next to us.
Legalize suppressors and disband the ATF!
I'm embarrassed to say I once had an ND with an M1 Garand indoors. No hearing protection. Yeah, that hurt. Scary as all get out too. So how loud is the 10.5" with M193 indoors?
Running suppressed is the best option but if your running a home defense gun with no light it don't matter if your suppressed or not. Your shooting anything that move. GET A LIGHT!!!
Question thought. If you where to use a suppressor in a defensive situation. Couldnt you just take the whisper pickle off? Since the ATF deems it as so you cannot release it to ANYONE that isn’t on the item(s) roster/registry/what ever they have as permissible persons that are allowed to be in possession of the item?
That is some of the most valuable "short advice" I've ever heard!
I’m glad to be a gun loving, 2A supporting American. And it’s nice to see so much more gun content online these days. But, I am not for the opinions of a lot of these guys and girls that state their opinions as fact! If you have a suppressed rifle as your home defense weapon, Awesome! If you don’t,Awesome! It’s not a mistake either way. But, it is a mistake when these “influencers” tell you it is or isn’t.
Used to live in this lovely rural property really close to a lovely town. Rented a nice room and bathroom in this old large 1930s country house with lots of beautiful wood furnishings. The owner was this millionaire old lady who was extremely nice and intelligent.
And then she'd hunt possums late into the night using her little 32 gauge.
Waking up close to midnight from the noise of a 32 gauge slug shot right next to your window is quite an experience.
Which is only topped by the experience of waking up to the sound of a 32 gauge going off, nearly falling back asleep a minute later then getting another wake up cause she *missed the first shot*.
An interesting counterpoint to that is advice that I heard from a Seal/Operator who stated that he preferred to not suppress based on his value of the disruptive, deafening and concussive effect of enclosed gunfire (he was staying in a CQB context) as a means to disorient an adversary… from your approach, I’m assuming that in home defense this would only be relevant if you had the time/capacity (likely not) to adorn hearing protection and were the solitary occupant of your home (or had the only access to a firearm)… but as in the employment of flashbangs, user awareness and expectation of a disruptive force can perhaps mitigate the disruptive effects on the user…
I am deeply confused by civilian gun culture. This is a job I did in the army, and I would never want to suppressor in close combat. the over pressure of your weapon is a huge part of its emotional effect on the enemy. in fact, I just have fields of fire from my house and use a 308. I don’t shoot to kill anybody. All I have to do is fire five or six rounds in a designated field of fire and there is nobody on earth. It’s gonna stay in that house to find out what the hell that is, Sound is one of your best defense.
Tell that to the U.S. army that is moving to adopt a rifle that designed to be suppressed 24/7.
Agreed. I already don’t know how I’m going to react in those terrifying moments best to leave shell shock out of the equation.
If the other person living in the home doesn't have enough situational control in a shooting situation to fire before identifying the target, they shouldn't have access to firearms.
And, will you be able to still hear the 21 year old terrified rookie cop who shows up in 5 minutes and gives you verbal commands at gunpoint?
Just because you are suppressed doesn't mean the bad guy is. I keep Peltors on my rifle.
As someone who was involuntarily involved in indoor 9mm discharge about 25 years ago, and caught the bad-end of some unfortunate wall acoustics... I would like to thank you for having this video short 'captioned'.
And no, it didn't take 25 years to have problems. I instantly got a liberty-bell-sized dog whistle in both ears, and they've never stopped blowing.
PS: "Safe Decocker" can be a bit of a misnomer.