I get not liking a game, I get story not being your thing, and I would have been fine with him boosting if he would have taken the time to PROPERLY learn his class but he decided to go from training wheels to full extreme trick riding and wondered why he broke his neck and decided it was the bike and park's fault.
Yeah I think this was the majority of the community issue. Deciding its not your thing is fine. He judged it without learning mechanics or his job. I will admit, we as a community are furiously protective of the game lol. But Qinns issue & a lot of ppls issue is he went in thinking he was gonna play it like WoW & you really cant do that. Thats really the biggest hurdle too... Wow players have played so long & often times Only Wow, they need "Deprogrammed"
@@BadGamer_OG It probably did help I played *many other* MMORPGs then just a single MMO like WoW. I would probably would have done the same exact things as all these WoW refugees need to understand. Yes, it is a Theme Park MMORPG like WoW, but it's more about *its story* than the rush to Endgame. Take it at your own pace to enjoy the experience and journey instead of already being annoyed at the many systems that bar your path to the Endgame that is in WoW.
@@WrangleMcDangle "how we play the game" is literally how the game is programmed to be played. Going to Gold Saucer is a play choice. Refusing to join an FC is a play choice. Choosing whether to raid or not is a play choice. Boss fight mechanics are not a play choice. Getting out of AoEs before the marker disappears (or die trying) is part of the game. Knowing your kit and rotation is part of the game. Learning how boss move telegraphs and ability markers work is part of the game. If you, as a GAMER, are not willing to at least play the game the way it is trying to teach you from level 1 how it is supposed to be played... wtf is the point in playing to begin with?? Boost, story skip, whatever. There are successful stories for people who did that. So what? But those people learned how to play the game despite that choice. Not because of it. Quin went in and said "I'm going to play this like WoW," and surprise Pikachu'd all over the floor when that didn't work. Then decided to blame everyone and everything else, except himself and his choices, for the outcome. Oh, and lied about said outcome. Like claiming to keep up with level 80 raiders... while being under-the-barrel in dps. As for how it affects people, Quin is a popular streamer. Like it or not, he influences part of the player tide and where it ebbs and flows. As do many other streamers. Quin's dishonesty would have affected future players deciding to try the game or not. Thankfully, most people are treating what happened with Quin as the cautionary tale that it is, instead of a source of inspiration. Except for memes, of course.
He created a persona and had to stick with it, the classic dude bro with shallow view and short attention span that require constant stimulation. But man it was a bad move to go after FF14 just for the reason of it being popular, because it’s not Apex Legend, Fortnight or any overnight successful game that is filled with children . The game popularity was built over time by patient community and dev, the original fan base are made up of FF series fans that are the root of FF14 community’s fervent defensiveness. And when it comes to FF fans, they are very, very food at converting other people into the franchise, and for good reason, the games are good and emotional. FF14 is the embodiment of classic FF games, fanbase of which is extremely protective of their game.
About the only defense you can give him is that the AOE didn't have a ground marker, that said if he actually did normal mode properly he would have known what the glowing balls of fire next to the boss where.
@@QwertyBoredom122 also story mode encounters, job quests, and dungeons have that mechanic too. He would have known if he played more but from the clips he died a lot to them.. he didnt really seem like he was trying to learn it or was turbo tilted. Either way, i think if he stopped when he wasnt enjoying the early game and people wouldnt be so mad at him cus we all went thru ARR. We know lol. I actually like levelling through ARR MSQ, especially after the changes but im just weird like that. Making alts is fun for me cus inventing a backstory for my character is half the fun. [Edit] and criticising the tutorial dungeon as harshly as he did just shows what his mindset was like. He came in hoping to be pushed and hyped at all times but thats not how most MMOs play. Especially early on.
@@QwertyBoredom122 even in normal mod i would not stand next to those things in general (thats just human thinking i guess the inner anxiety if u know what i mean) LOL unless E1S
Asmongold gave the game a fair chance. If he stopped now and said he don't like the game, I would be confused lol. But I would respect it. I think the problem people had or have is that Quin not liking the game is all of his own doing. And then he blames healers and say the story sucks when considering the depth of the story, he did not experience it. His opinion on XIV doesn't have any credibility.
@@Mystra nah man. You can excuse any and all behavior with “it’s his character LUL” if he went around punching babies “stop being so serious it’s just a character LUL” if he started being insanely racist “characters LUL” XD
I played FFXIV during HW era, and quitted coz I rushed through the game trying to catch up with my friends and do Endgame contents, and ended up burning myself out during the 100 quests pre HW.. A couples of years later I give it another try, during the final SB period, and rushed agian for the same reason, skipping all the dialogues and cutscenes, reached the end of the main quest, and got another burnout. A week ago I tried a different approach, and I created a whole new account to be able to use the free trial, but this time I'm playing by my own, taking my time, reading all the main quest and job quest dialogues, and so on.. And I'm having a blast, I'm enjoying the game so much, that I feel stupid for the time wasted back in the days. I finished yesterday the 2.0 main quest, and today I didn't even started the 7th Astral Era quest, coz I got lost with my flying mount doing side quests and optional dungeon/trials. And I can't wait to start the pre HW quests, because I know that that's where the game set the basics for what is the TRUE story. I don't usually write in YT comments, but I felt like doing it now, coz that's exactly my story, and I don't want that people do my same mistake, and waste a game so good like this one!!
For me, i pretty much focused the MSQs from Post ARR on, skipping cutscenes and not caring until Crystal Tower. Then i was hooked on the story Rushing through the msq and enjoying every second of the amazing writing
The same exact thing happened to me, but i wasnt gonna waste all my progress so I binge watched one of those "ff14 story movies" in youtube for the ARR and HW stories and started paying attention and actually read the story in stormblood, and it gets good, im really enjoying the game.
Quin went into the game with preconception "wow good - ff bad" and wanted to prove it. There's no way he would've enjoyed the game, he didn't want to enjoy it from the start. But whatever, this game isn't for everyone, it doesn't matter if he didn't like it.
Even funnier is that if you go look at his WoW content. He underforms as his class so hard that the raid group pretty much acts like a 19 person party.
Even worse is he must have been under the impression that this was 2014 and people would agree with his opinion that FF14 sucks. Like even if that's how he feels about the game he should have read the room and been like "I respect people liking this game, but it's not for me." and moved on. His continual muckraking is gonna continue to cause him to be ostracized. Especially when all his peers seem to be having a blast with the game.
@@NeoDMC He's stuck in the past in terms of when World of Warcraft was still amazingly good. It feels. When Nostalgia can only take you so far until you are sick and tired of everything in that game. Feels like the Flood Gates are opening for that problem if WoW continues down the path of Self-Destruction by thousand cuts. But with Ion's replacement going to replace him with the same shit that Ion brought to the table, I feel like the future for WoW isn't bright at all.
@@NeoDMC I guess maybe he was trying to play the contrarian for all the other bitter WoW players who didn't want to give the game up. But he didn't have the patience and I think even those players gave him shit for doing this, since it wouldn't be considered a valid approach to WoW either (not the boosting itself but then playing a little bit with no clue and quitting).
It was only 3 AOEs and one of them was a vulnerability stack, either way someone on twitter did the math and he got hit with somthing like 5x his max HP, only way anyone was surviving that hit was playing tank and using the oh shit button.
@@darkmirror21 But Adjust :o haha, joke i know, i would just let him die and leave him there after he yelled furiosly "where were the heals" thats what i would do. (Healer Main)
Quin is the perfect example as to why asmongold didn't want to skip through anything. It would seem quin ruined the game for himself and then complained that the game sucks after.
Asmongold didnt skip anything because he's making millions hustling the mediocrity that the 14 community is.......He wont play the game ever again in a cpl months he's content farming and that's it
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs I don't understand that Sokkii dude. Why is he whining in all comments like that? And it's ALWAYS when it's talking about Asmon... Projecting much?
He's a liar.. I saw some of his stream. He was laughing at how fast he could click PAST the story and saying how much he hated it before he left the starting area for the first time. It was ridiculous .... he didn't like it; cool; move on. He just wanted click bait.
Quintin just got salty, that's all there is to the story. He didn't have the will to learn nor the skills to adapt, he got salty, he quitted and blamed on everything else but himself.
This is just Quin.. watch any stream of his playing any game including his main game Path of Exile. This is a staple of his character he plays.. idk why the 14 community cares this much about a dumb streamer saying they didn't like the game. Literally who cares lol
@@solodolo7161 I don’t think anyone in the FF community knows him. He’s just been appearing on the UA-cam algorithm for the past week since he got memed on so anyone who gets recommended ffxiv meme videos would’ve gotten it recommended as well.
Bruh, the guy is rank 1 in wow, 14 is not a hard game.....it's way too slow for actual good gamers......There's a reason no serious pro gamers take 14 seriously........
@@gaiusmanus1500 He's an incredibly bad troll on an alt-account with bait that couldn't hook a starving shark. Just let him decay away. In fact, I think it's actually Quin69 himself, given how much he likes to "praise" him, when nobody else does.
It's still not fine. Didn't you get the point? He didn't properly play or enjoy the game so his takes aren't properly informed. I don't give a damn how politely someone phrase something if the point itself is still bad.
@@lunausagi8495 i mean when you make a mistake and say something is not for you - okay, people won't force it down your throat (unless it's politics). And that's what the first comment was about i assume. But quin did the dumbest thing possible and assaulted the game & the community. That's the problem
@@lunausagi8495 he could just look at the first quest and say yeah this isnt for me people wont get mad. he literally lied that he tried and tried to make it out as the game is bad.
@@vitorossi7839 He assaulted the game and community is one thing. But if he was more polite about phrasing his take, to me it wouldn't make it any better a take. Sure, understandable, no one is going to force it on him. But objectively the take itself is badly informed due to him just boosting
@@AhaoPopolo My point is that even if he was polite about saying the game is bad and isn't for him after boosting like that doesn' change that his take is bad and unvalid. Understandable, true but still poorly informed that it can't be fix using politeness alone
Quitter69 is equivalent to someone purchasing a AAA $60 game. Using cheats and/or 3rd party tools to cheat in order to skip the entire storyline and reach the ending, without learning the story & game mechanics. Fight the final boss, lose then proceed to claim the game is complete utter garbage.
@@damien9683 Still, I believe that Lazy Peon gave death threats to himself so he doesn't have to take criticism on why he trashed on FFXIV so hard. But his review was so badly misplaced it is terrible he thought that was a good review to script in the first place. Yes, I know our community dislikes when people trash on the game, but it felt like he was using the excuse of death threats. Since there are many people that use that excuse to be a victim and do send death threats to themselves to paint a demographic or group badly.
@@damien9683 Quin is better than Lazy Peon. There is an art to being the bad guy, and Quin played his part to perfection. Lazy Peon wussed out and deleted his video.
So it’s his fault they offer the service to first time players? You want boosts then this shit happens. So what, who cares. All that aside, it’s fucking quin he trolls on purpose.
Imagine a clown entering a Burgershop, ordering a burger then entering the kitchen, taking the uncooked patty from the cook and eating it raw on a plain bun then saying he got sick because the food sucks.
The simple fact that Quin didn't have the patience to learn the fights and got frustrated that there was no introduction to the mechanics after skipping the introduction is all that needs to be said. He didn't have the patience. The game isn't for him.
He commited a string of cardinal sins that the FFXIV community finds abhorrent. These are mistakes people repeatedly tell WoW refugees not to fall prey to. But to further insense things he began preaching that his self-inflicted sabotage of his potential enjoyment of the game were actually negative aspects of FFXIV. That's almost as bad as a gaming journalist demanding Dark Souls to have an easy mode.
@@ruick78 that guy wasn't a games reviewer and he praised Cuphead in spite of his being bad at it. Don't buy into the narrative. Edit: changed "journalist" to "reviewer". My original statement was incorrect; Dean Takahashi is a games journalist, but he's not one of the ones crying for games to have easy modes.
@@rohiogerv22 Not true. I've seen this posted before and have no idea where it came from. Dean Takahashi is the one playing and yes, he is a journalist that covers video games.
I skiped a lot through arr but I did watch an in-depth story video explaining everything that happened, because I did care about what was happening. I was having really bad headaches trying to read the quests, my dyslexia just flared up a lot and It was hard to read.
@@AmbeEve It honestly doesn't help that there are quite a few sections in ARR where nothing really happens. Just a lot of filler. I found myself skimming pretty much everything in Coerthas during the arc where you need to get Cid's airship because of just how boring that arc was & how it was always 1 step forward, 2 steps back & nothing was happening. Personally just finished the Seventh Umbral Era questline (So base game ARR) a few days ago & have been loving it so far. I'd say that one arc is probably the only low point so far
My biggest problem with Quin is complaining about the "lore" when he literally boosted past most of it. It was the same thing as Lazy Peon. Skipping the story doesn't give you the right to comment on its quality with any authority. I would have had far more respect of him if he had just quit after Sastasha and said, "I found the combat simple and the story boring." But, that's not what he did. He boosted and it was very clear he didn't know the rotations for the jobs and then he complained about the combat. He didn't "keep up" with the other players in the raids as he said he did in his tweets. It's fine that he didn't like the combat, but don't try and say you know what you were doing. There's a lot to the mechanics that you learn as you level. There's more than just "stay out of the orange and stack with the stack marker" as one person in the chat suggested. But, if you do your dungeons and trials as you level, you see a lot of the mechanics. People will regularly say, "Oh, that's Shiva's circles", "that's Exaflares and that's Earth Shakers" (both from Binding Coil) both of which are level 50 mechanics that occur even in max level raids. You learn delayed attack mechanics from "acceleration bomb" in a level 60 alliance raid and the "Active Time Event" he died to twice, first showed up in a level 60 Alexander raid (A11 Normal).
Why get a boost if you are liking the lore? Getting a boost does give you the right to comment on its quality if you boost because the lore is dogshit and wanted to skip it. People keep saying you need to level to learn the class, which has been a total failure of an argument. I have played plenty of games where I skipped to max level and could play the classes just fine. Its like saying "you can only learn about combos while leveling through GW2" it actually doesnt teach you about certain combos like certain things will give you a shield, or a boon of some sort or altering your abilities in some way. So saying someone has to play like you do. The only thing that you are really saying is you have to play the content, that dungeon or raid from your example, to learn the mechanics. So what if you do it at max level vs while leveling? It seems like FFXIV fans are just going off the wall on someone not liking their game and making excuses. I think FFXIV looks like crap. I dont even like WoW at the moment, but im not going to play FF. If FF is so good why are you guys here posting on youtube comments about how much you dont like someone that doesnt like what you do. So what he died, as you said you have to do the content to learn it which isnt some new thing. I half expect most of the people to be overblowing the entire thing anyways.
@@SymplyOP you can’t know the lore if you’ve literally just done 1 to 16. By that point, you only know a bit about your starting city state. It's like doing Mulgore in WoW and thinking you know the lore of WoW. Skipping ahead to 70 means you've literally skipped 3 out of 4 expansions of lore. Yes, you can skip ahead and learn. But, if you do that you need to put in the work to learn the skills. You'll also be at a disadvantage for not knowing how certain mechanics behave. Quin didn’t put in the effort to learn his jobs. There are basic things he didn’t do. Little things like “I used jump!” where that won't negate a knockback. So, he got knocked off and died. Another time, he stood in two mechanics plus a targeted mechanic and died, “Where are the heals?” Sorry, you can’t heal stupid. Even on normal, let alone Savage that would kill you instantly. Based on his rotation, I'd say he was doing tank damage as a DPS, so like half the damage he should have done. That’s not keeping up with the others as he claimed.
like playing FF7 for the PS1, and paying to skip the first three discs, getting to Sephiroth and having him roflstomp you. then whining the game sucks and its bad.
@@jprec5174 Believe it or not there are some people who had success stories on buying skips. Those who's only interested in raiding but the core difference is that those guys actually put the effort to learn everything about mechanics, their class, rotations. A good example would be Lynx(used to be top 1 tank) where he said he skipped cutscenes because he's all for raiding but that dude spent a hell lot of time trying to learn everything he needs on raiding because that's just common sense right? Yet you don't see these kinds of people blame the game instead they try to improve themselves as time goes on. If you're only interested on endgame raids fine, go buy yourself a boost no one's stopping you but atleast try to put some ACTUAL effort to learn everything you need to know before running them. We call that Good manners.
There's this youtuber by the name AfroSenju who still in Stormblood but have over 1000 hour playtime because he did EVERY contents available in each expansion, the exact opposite of a lot of people who just want to get to"the good shit" 😂
I'm using asmon's stream to recap on all things ARR and HW including things I've missed whilst I'm in stormblood right now... But yea once i found out about quin (didn't know about him before hivemind) and what he did i just ignored him. Its one thing to criticize a game and another to bitch about it when the whole time it was clearly his own fault.. Why not just say, 'hey the game is not for me! hope others enjoy it'.. and just move on.
I'm clocking at 100 hours, didn't even finished ARR because i'm having a great time getting some alts to 50 and my crafts up to speed. And farming reputations hahah.
Wasnt Asmon the one who said he didnt want to boost because nobody would take his criticism seriously? And nobody gave him flak when he brings criticisms because he is taking the games experience seriously. This Quin thing is just annoying cus of how little effort he put in and he is acting like he knows something. Dont care if he enjoyed the game or not, but even I say when i criticize WoW that i only played a small bit and its not because the game is bad, or i retell peoples opinions and experiences as their experiences and add my own thoughts on what they said. The first dungeon at level 15 is not enough to have a serious opinion on something but ig it is enough to say "couldnt get into it". If Quin just said something like that then he probably wouldnt have gotten as much hate back. Doesnt deserve hate anyways but what he did was some good cringe 👌
Quin is a similar buffon as is the lazy peon when i saw his comment saying he read the whole lore in 3 days you cannot take that sh*t seriously knowing at least to complete ARR took you nearly 2 or 3 weeks whitouth skipping the story heck even skipping the story and lvl up took you a least more than 3 days
@@samifranco5541 i had to look up the lazy peon vod cus ive literally never heard of him lol yeh idk he was super salty but w/e he doesnt like reading and is impatient. These are more or less the reactions i expected from Asmon more than anything but he was super open minded. I dont care for Lalas myself so i get him being weirded out. For me Tataru, Momodi, Raubhan Jr. and Nanamo are exceptions cus i like their characters
@@degenxayah I feel like Lazypeon was annoyed that everyone wanted him to review the game. And decided to give out a shit review because of how many other MMORPGs he played. He jumps between every MMORPG because that's his job. He should take a mental break and stop for a few months to recharge... Because one cannot handle the continued pressures of being a content creator for long or you'll be mentally drained and hate everything.
@@ArmageddonEvil yeah that seems about right. The vod i watched also brought up that he stopped playing wow because he stopped enjoying tab target hotbar system games. His audience knew he preferred action combat and pushed FF14 onto him in spite of his reservations. That extra context makes Lazy Peons salty opinion not so far fetched and entirely understandable. I prefer action combat and if tanking in FF wasnt so much fun id probably play it less.
Same here, started FF14 about 2 months ago and i'm taking my time experiencing all the game has to offer me, i just began my journey through Shadowbringers and so far it's been a blast, my character may look like a traffic cone being a Lalafel BM but i love it.
The other thing to remember is that people hear all these amazing things about Shadowbringers, especially the story. So people rush to get there, and yeah it's good enough to stand on its own, but it's really special when you have all the context of the past 8 years. That's a tough sell to some, but it's what make it so special.
I REALLY don't think anyone cares what he thinks about the game. We care that he never actually wanted to enjoy it and then made a complete fool of himself and then complained about the community making fun of him.
I think the big issue for me is the fact that he trashed on the story without having experienced, y’know, the story. You can like a game or not idc but you kinda need to experience most of it in order to form a valid opinion. He didn’t bother to learn mechanics you learn at like level 5-10 and he pushed blame on his party members when he was at fault. FFXIV is better off without him tbh
Even the best story is awful if you read it as a spark notes summary trying to get to the ending.. It's such an obviously stupid thing to do and think you're getting an equivalent experience
I am SO glad that most of the new streamers are giving a new perspective of the game, and ACTUALLY helping remove this "reputation" that ARR has. They are all going through ARR and saying "this isn't as bad as people claimed it to be", or " this is nothing at all compared to the early game of other games". It's a breath of fresh air seeing them shutting people up; It is really annoying when someone try to get into the game and the first thing they hear is " ARR is shit, but you gotta get through it", so if the person quits early on, they already have the perfect excuse as to why they quit. Come on! We all fucking loved this game in ARR. Its not because the expansions are on a whole other level that the base game is bad, and if you keep telling other people it's bad, they'll probably run away from it.
One biggest difference between Asmon and Quin: Asmon: Willing to learn and does hard content because it is fun Quin: Does content for the sake of saying he has done it
@@Ugoofy1 Obvious troll is obvious. HOWEVER! The "main game" you will play is the "casual content". That is, it isn't designed to be difficult. Story missions, side quests, job quests, etcetera. Not designed to be hard. This is "casual content". As a White Mage, I can "no brain" my way through all of this using ONLY SIX SKILLS (Regen, Medica 2, Cure 1, Cure 2, Dia, and Glare. If I need any healing more powerful than these spells, it's because someone is undergeared or a complete idiot). The content is so easy for casuals that you don't need to do much of anything. This is on purpose. This stuff is easy, because you're not doing it "for the difficulty". You're doing it to get Lore and Advance The Story. That is, it's designed to be as minimalistically tedious as possible. The vast majority of gameplay in FFXIV... is this "casual content". It exists to teach you things in a safe environment (mechanics, your class, your job, how to level efficiently, how to interact with the 6 dozen systems that synergize with each other, etcetera). The places where it "gets difficult" are the high level content. The closer to max level you get, the more difficult it is... until it reaches "Medium Difficulty". Go into Trials and Dungeons 100% blind (and if your party did it too... which they tend to do with new content, because it's more fun that way) and you wipe about 3-7 times learning all the new stuff. This is the fun experience. But, it is at "medium difficulty". Currently, this starts somewhere around level 75. Content begins to "get more difficult". Now, if you want to talk "Hard Content", then you're looking at things like Deep Dungeons (especially running solo, to attempt the title), Raids (Alliance Raids tend to be Casual or Medium level content), and Hard Mode/Extreme Trials/Dungeons. Raids, when run at minimum iLevel are fairly difficult. Run them at higher difficulties and they are some of the most difficult content in the game. Many of the Extreme Trials and Hard Mode Dungeon bosses can also slip into "Hard Difficulty". Then, you get to "I want this to be as difficult as possible" difficulty modes. This content is few and far between because MOST PLAYERS never end up doing it. They aren't skilled enough, they're afraid of it, or they just don't care about the rewards. Extreme Raids. And... there's now also "Ultimates" that can be done as well. This content will push your poop back in, even if you know what you're doing. You need to have spent a long time learning it and experiencing it in order to conquer it. There's a reason the glowy weapons you can get from some of this content is so "attention grabbing". It immediately tells players, "I have cleared some of the hardest content in this game. I am the pinnacle of combat prowess". This is Final Fantasy XIV. They come from a culture where "prowess" in a game is respected. That is, the devs live in a culture where most of their game players aspire to do difficult content for the "bragging rights". The other end of that is the players who just want to have a good time, and so stick with "casual" stuff. So, the easy stuff is easy and the hard stuff is EXCEPTIONALLY difficult. Games like WoW, on the other hand, are made by "western studios" who don't care about PERSONAL SKILL and only care about making something seem hard due to "it's frustrating". Hence, random mechanics.... random deaths... no decent consistency in content completion WITHOUT gear that allows players to "brute force" their way through the game. On and on. "Numbers go up" as difficulty in most western MMOs or MMO's designed around getting you to spend money (like Korean MMOs!). MMO's from areas like Japan and China tend to focus fairly heavily on "personal player skill" instead. As racist as it sounds, their playerbases are more akin to "Play a game as a test of honor". They want the recognition for being great at the game and not for just getting lucky or spending a lot of money in it. But, that's the difference between something like FFXIV and WoW. One has properly scaled difficulty... the other is difficulty scaled by RNG, real money spending, and time spent in the game. This is why WoW's only REAL metric among the playerbase of "how good you are at the game" is your freakin' DPS. Because there's no other measure of "skill" in WoW EXCEPT how big your DPS is. Beating everyone in damage is the only thing they can shoot for to validate themselves.
It's so weird seeing what Quin is now. I remember watching his monk guides for Diablo 3 "back in the day" and he always seemed like such a chill dude. Now I see him popping up in rage compilations like a psycho, plus this whole thing, it's just like... dang, man. I guess he's making more money now, but he seems way angrier/on edge.
Slight counterpoint, there's probably a small handful of people using it because it's their birth year or something. ...I mean, there's a 90+ year old Skyrim-playing lady, why not.
@@someoneyoumightknow2795 nothing says you can't have 69 in your name, I'll just think slightly less of you because of it. 😉 Hopefully a random stranger thinking slightly less of you won't ruin your day. 😆
I just rerolled my character last weekend to be on the same data center as my friend. Now mind you my first toon has all MSQ story completed with everything unlocked and yet I am still enjoying know perfectly well where this is going and now finding joy of efficiency leveling my Jobs and DoLs while going through the content once again.
I just started Heavensward last night I personally really enjoyed a realm reborn I really don't understand why people boost the story is so good and the game has a really good learning curve which if you skip your basicly shooting yourself in the foot
This is the perfect way to play. Enjoy the journey. You had a great time with the base game, and all of the later content will be waiting for you. I hope that you enjoy Heavensward. It's one of my favorite FF storiee.
I feel like if he had just said it wasn't for him this wouldn't have been a situation. He did a vote while he was playing to see if his viewers would rather him quit or boost. I believe the majority said quit when he wasn't enjoying the game. It would have been better for him. Instead he boosted, got dunked on by mechanics and gameplay he didn't understand, and ranted off a bad take about the game. His own bad time was his fault, not the games fault. Which why I think he got so much heat. Like you say Rui, it's ok to not enjoy the game.
I want to share my experience getting back into Ff14 after 2 years break: First off I deleted my old characters and decided to start fresh. I rushed parts of the ARR storyline over a couple days (roughly 4 days with me playing for about 14 hours each day lol), BUT I made sure I got the major story beats and went back and watch the cutscenes I did miss. Now that I am working on my grind through the pre heavensward questline and I am reading all the text and having a blast. Can't wait to finish that and get into the first expansion. 14 has been a lot of fun and a big reason for me getting so immersed is the story first approach the game has, anyways hope everyone who reads this has a good day and their duty finder queues are short.
I started FFXIV three months ago, almost into Shadowbringers now but I'm taking a break from the MS quest because I found out about Return to Ivalice and have been working my way through that. Final Fantasy Tactics on the PS1 is one of my favorite PS1 games, and one of four PS1 games I owned when I was a kid. So I'm loving the Return to Ivalice stuff so far, the music along gives me major nostalgia. I feel like I wouldn't be enjoying the game as much if I just rushed through it the way I would do in WoW. And I love that I can level all the classes on a single character, cause I don't feel like I need to make an alt every time I want to try a new class.
It's Uncle Jesse from Full House who went back to high school, read literally the front and back page of a book and cried about his teacher calling him out on it. ...Only unlike this guy, Jesse actually learned.
For wow people essentially what he did was he completed exiles reach, boosted, then tried to clear mythic dungeons with no knowledge of the game. Then he quit and says that the story and gameplay sucks cause i didn't teach him anything.
I had this exact issue earlier today, when facing extreme Rathalos. Black mage kept standing in the AOEs and refused to move, during the phase when the healer cannot heal normally. Drove me absolutely mad, despite me and the tank repeatedly explaining the mechanics to them.
@@UltimaKeyMaster As a former WoW player (briefly) and FFXIV player I honestly agree with this criticism. The only options you have for "build" in FFXIV are more of this stat, less of another. No notable or interesting choices at all. Sure, WoW has eviscerated it's build depth several times but at least there are some options to build your character!
@@blltsrrfrnd Yes, that's the complaint. Wow has 36 specs with 2-3 cookie cutter builds each, and half a dozen which are less competitive but more fun. FF has how many jobs? Discounting the profession jobs ofc. About 20? Each of them with zero variety. Not to bash on FF, but RPG element feels kind of stunted compared to WoW.
@@fare-5174 Honest question here, just how different are the classes/specs in WoW? Like, how differently do they play? I haven't touched the game since WoD, but I don't remember a lot of variety in the classes. Sure, they have different names for abilities and different flashy graphics, but from what I remember a lot of them were "mash these buttons as soon as they light up, hit these buttons when they're off cooldown, maybe spam one or two buttons to keep doing your basic attack"... I'm leaving off some nuance there, certainly, but I don't remember the game being much more complicated than that.
As a sam main, it was painful to watch a fucking samurai do such a bad dps that it was like watching the equivalent of splashing a small bucket of water on a bushfire
I'm 2 weeks on this video late but I was "told" the story picked up at HW so naturally, I rushed through the base game to get to HW fatser. Problem was that a lot of aspects of the HW story are related to what happened in ARR. So I found myself watching/reading recaps to get a better grasp of the story on the things I missed in ARR. Just finished HW and SB recently and watched the entirety of those. Glad I realized that soon enough before it was too late. The story in this game is amazing
Funny thing about that lead up to Titan, is that it doesn't just upset the players, it also upsets your character. There's points where you get visibly annoyed with your chain getting yanked around. But the game's own lore kind of builds on that. The Dark Knight story quests kind of lean into the whole 'hero that everyone takes advantage of' angle and reveals a bit of your own inner turmoil about being, at times, a glorified courier and pest exterminator and killer of people guilty of not toeing the line. The suffering of ARR is a part of the lore.
The funny thing is apparently we're not the ONLY one that gets yanked around, other worlds 'Warriors of Light' suffer the same. Apparently Ardbert went through a very similar experience and is just as annoyed by it according to one of his dialogue responses (admittedly this might be the translation teams doing). It just seems like it's the WoL fate to suffer something like this at least once in their career.
He DID go about it the wrong way. It's perfectly ok to come out and say it. Should we care? Yeah that can be debated or whatever. But yeah... he DID go about the wrong way.
I enjoyed ARR even before Heavensward. I played it way back when on my PS3 and honestly people today are so spoiled lol It used to take forever to level up and advance in the MSQ but it was a journey I will never forget.
I started playing during end of Heavensward on and off again and wanted to get to endgame since I had WoW mentality but quickly after seeing and engaging with the game I just enjoyed the game as I went and didn't really rush it and didn't let the endgame blind me and I loved it and still love it 1800 hours later ^^
He could have just said "this game's not for me," and that would have been the end of it. But somehow he felt compelled to tweet a short review after playing arguably less than 5% of the game, and not learning basics of jobs and mechanics. Seems like IGN has found a potential new employee.
ARR is super rough to get through. Talk to an npc teleport talk to an npc teleport back talk to the same npc teleport talk to a npc teleport. Repeat over 80 times. Thankfully I powered through because this is a great game. But yeah the first 50 is super rough.
It really all boils down to ignorance. The man boosted which is fine, didn't like the game which is ALSO fine, but then made false statements about the game due to not knowing anything about the game due to him skipping most of the games content. His claim: "It's due to the fact that I'm not huge into the lore... weeb aesthetic, slow clunky gameplay, lack of RPG mechanics/character customization and non-existent PvP." So lets tackle these things one at a time. Lore - He made it to sastasha which is level 15 and boosted right after beating that dungeon, which is roughly 5 or so hours into the game. Weeb aesthetic - This is one of his only viable critiques of the game. Slow clunky gameplay - He only felt this way due to not actually doing a proper run through the game. Learning to weave off global cooldowns and regular global cooldown skills is something you learn as you level up. This dude didn't know jack shit about the games combat system and it's entirely due to him skipping. Lack of RPG mechanics - Like what exactly? Ffxiv is MORE of an rpg than wow is. In wow you aren't the focus of the story, you barely even matter at all. In ffxiv you are the main character. This game also has the holy trinity and the SAME style of combat as wow. I literally don't understand this comment. Lack of Character customization - ... You boost all the way through all the content in the game and then complain that you've never unlocked any customization options? Are you fucking stupid? Doing content gets you armors and mounts and hairstyles and a shit load of unlocks, but skipping to the end of the game means you've done NONE of that. It's literally common sense. Non-existent PvP - While there IS pvp and it DOES happen, it's not great. This is his second and only other viable critique of the game. So if this man had simply said "It's due to the fact that I'm not into the weeb aesthetic and lack of pvp" not a single person would have been mad, but when he straight up lied to his followers about the game we love by making those false claims, that is why everyone exploded.
He just wanted something to hate and I have a feeling like some of the other commenters on this youtube video pointed out, that he skipped all of the cutscenes before hitting Satasha. And then he skipped to lv70. Viable Critique, in terms of its aesthetic, is more Western European style. So technically, he's only half right. World of Warcraft is more of a weeb game now than FFXIV. The plot is utter feels like a Shonen Jump Anime in terms of consistency. I have to agree with the PVP point in your comment. Since yeah, PVP is one of the lacking features in FFXIV.
@@ArmageddonEvil I think when someone makes the claim that ffxiv is a "weeb" game, they're specifically referring to making your characters look like prostitutes, while also being able to be a cat person or loli. They COULD also be talking about the art style but I don't really see ffxiv as having "anime" styled graphics so that probably isn't it.
@@WilliamHaist Or could just be talking about the enormous weeb community. Since there is an inner weeb inside of everyone. Just need to unlock it. Though, I have a feeling Quin69 is a closet weeb. Asmongold's approach is actually much better than all those ragers on the internet that hate on a game because it's popular. lol
@Maveth The Reaper if you do not take your time to learn something, then you have no right to make claims about it. It's really that simple. How does he know that the gameplay is slow if his entire experience with this game is getting to level 20, doing sastasha once, then skipping to the end of the game and doing a raid or 2 and then quitting the game? Please explain. There is no logic or reasoning here. He'd have had to try to play the game for a long enough period of time to actually KNOW what the games combat was like, as you don't simply pick up ffxiv's combat instantly like you would a normal tab target mmorpg because ffxiv's combat is skill based. My statement was quite literally "you didn't play the game so you don't get a say", because that's the truth.
"Slow gameplay"- The game is very slow for a long time. This is how they choose to introduce you to the game and they keep it slow for a long, long time, and it still feels slow to new players despite them cutting down on ARR's length. This is the dev's team decision, blame them for it, don't blame people for thinking something that's slow is slow (and Square has a monetary incentive to keep it this way). "Lack of RPG mechanics" - This is entirely true. This game has next to 0 character building. There are no paths within the jobs, and any existing customization options that you'd find in an RPG that existed was removed over time (stat allocation, cross-class skills). They've completely homogenized what little customization there was. There is a discussion to be had about how successful these systems ends up being, but that tends to matter most to the top-end of players. Materia, even, barely does anything compared to similar systems in games like Diablo. "Lack of Character Customization" - I mean, it seems to go many ways but even FFXIV fans have complained about this even since the beginning of time. People were upset about the fact we never got a butt slider for whatever reason then they add pants that increase your butt size. Hrothgar and Viera were so half-assed that a lot of items don't even work on them. This game's customization is very hit or miss, glamour is about the only thing it has over other games, but it lacks in the fundamental features of your character (it's not the worst but it's not great for a premium game).
" Learned core class at a very basic level (was able to keep up with Lv80 experienced gamers when I was not sperging out) - Tried & beat some trials/duties (yes including savage on minimum ilvl with no echo) - Still found the game uninteresting and quit." - quin69 man literally boosted and learned how to press 3 buttons in succession beat savage while literally being dead all the time and getting hard carried and said the story was bad after skipping it bruh at least make your reasons why you dislike it make sense its fine if you dont like it but that was a terrible take to have lowkey think he did it on porpuse to get some attention
I remember my first time doing Leviathan Extreme synced as I didn't know party finder was a thing. It was a fun experience honestly but I'll admit I wasn't fully using Gunbreaker to its maximum potential as I was still new to the class. Now, I can go in with my Gunbreaker and slap Leviathan around with ease. It's what I love about this game, the more you play, the more you learn how to be successful with the class you play
why play if you are going to boost really. I tried to play this game twice before and found it boring and too story heavy. You know what I did? I didn't play. Now I am at a place mentally where I feel like I can take my time and have really enojoyed taking the game slow and the story is really good. Some people are an exception to the rule but really I don't think it's worth it if you can't be patient with it.
I'm actually really thankful for the skip because I had an almost game breaking bug that CS couldn't or wouldn't help me with. Basically my game would crash half the time when I tried to summon retainers. I quit for a year decided to come back and delete my character and make a new one see if that fixed the bug I'd dealt with for almost a year before quitting. I am really thankful I was able to buy the skip and get close to the point I was at before as I didn't mind replaying the core story of my favorite expansion but as someone who had been playing since HW I may not have come back if the skip wasn't there.
Unpopular opinion but I got a boost after 50. Was getting bored of classes and story. Only boosted a class though (Scholar) not story, still skipped story manually. I researched what all classes did and said you know what that class (scholar) looks like it would keep me entertained. And I was right for once I had to think what I was doing and the challenge was finally there. Coming from being a raider in wow. I needed something more difficult to do. And its kept me playing even now. Yes I researched the class enough to know you dmg and heal and what rotation you have to do and you heals tier list or what to pick in what situation. So that I didn't hold anyone back in fact performing better than most. However the only reason I didn't skip story was because the blue quests along the way needed to be unlocked bit by bit too. Content I was scared to miss if I was boosted, like dungeons unlocks and squadrons' which are cool. I just thought it dumb I have to level a class I don't want to play to play my healer class first.
I like how so many people are shocked about Asmongold enjoying hard content. He used to do guides on how to minmax your damage on Warrior for 2-3 expansions, with the tip of "if this and this fails, "accidentally" die or wipe the raid". He knows how to minmax and the WoW Mage Tower was his fav bit of content of all time.
The faster you realize Asmongold is an entertainer at this point the better off you'll be, i assure you he doesnt enjoy the slow, clunky, outdated gameplay that 14 is......He does however enjoy seeing the millions he's gonna make streaming it for now....He wont play it again once the bloated hype goes away
FFXIV is a game that cannot be approached from the "I inherited all of this from my parents and now I'm the CEO" mentality. You kinda have to start from the bottom and work your way up to really appreciate it.
I think what people who haven’t played the game forget they order to which skills are learned are for a reason. It introduces the rotation but that meathead just decided to smash buttons and get mad. Like watching a person at an arcade fighter pressing everything hoping they win.
Shit, as a wow and FF player id laugh at him too if he boosted in wow as well then said he has no idea what's going on. BOOST IS FOR ALTS And ive come to the conclusion that he was just trolling, there is NO way someone can be that stupid to ask TWITCH chat for the highest dps easiest class to play for endgame to boost
I mean...he walked into endgame with no experience and not knowing how to play his job, died to avoidable damage, got outdps'd by a tank, and then read the dps meter wrong and claimed he was keeping up with the vets, so... Idk, I'd buy him being that dumb.
Did he really ask what class easiest do play in Endgame ? With Dragoon people obviously were joking about x) oh my godness i saw this disaster here on youtube video. he didnt do highest DPS he was Highest Groundsleeper of all time, highest AOE eater at all time, and a very professional Edgelord
I'm playing about 2 months and yesterday I literally set on foot in stormblood, and very often I get lost farming foundation or doing dungeons u synced for glamours, it's an amazing game no reasons to rush anything.
11:16 not only did he not care about the story, but he became part of the top 1% (or even lower) that clears pretty much all Ultimates, and did that without paying attention to the story and became rank 1 tank a few times! He should be the poster boy for people that aren't really into stories and just want to raid or do difficult/challenging stuff in FFXIV, but the sad thing is, even if he's part of the 1% that actually understand the games mechanics to an insane level, the comunity still hates him for not caring about the story... In my opinion, that's reaaally dumb!!! The dude literally plays and understand the game better than 99% of the player base, and still gets hate for not caring about the story and only focusing on gameplay... It's pretty absurd to me honestly and it shows that the community has some way to go still.
Kind of sad because if you have questions about raiding or tanking. He takes a lot of time to answer stuff on his twitch channel and mentor people. The guy didn't buy a jump potions, he played the game 1-80 and skipped the story as much as he could. He also did watch some of the cut scenes as well. It just did not have the same impact it did on others. In short, Lynx's personality is probably by far bit better than let's say Xenovex. At least you're not going to hear him rage over a mis-heal. I think the overall fear is that Lynx's mindset will take hold as the primary mindset for the game hence the hate.
Lynx's really good if you want to get into raiding or want to become a tank main and that's pretty much it, which is absolutely not a bad thing tbh. He probably has one of the best content in those two field and his input on the game is actually really interesting since he does kinda represent the hardcore raiding community. Kinda sad to read that he gets hate from the community while he is a really good content creator. I restarted playing less than two months ago, and his videos helped me immensely in being a tank main.
@@Some2somewhere yeah, just watch his video called *The FFXIV Community Has a BIG Problem | Asmongold VS The FFXIV Community* and look at the ammount of dislikes and also read the comment section... It's pretty absurd, and that video was made last year with a bunch of fair points! Waaaay before this hype started.
The way the ARR story is told is so outdated and weird and drives many new players away that comes from other mmorpgs. I personally kept pushing trough it and I liked it but Peon wasnt wrong in alot of things. The story being locked into dungeons that takes 20-30 minutes at best to get into as a dps. 5-10% being voice acted and rest of it being completely silent still with mouths moving, it just feels weird like they forgot to add the voice acting. If Swtor can voice act everything and Eso and so on I don't see why a story heavy game like FFxiv can't add it. It would just be a mayor improvement to the game.
Well, here's the thing about people that boost without learning mechanics or jobs. It's frustrating for other players they end up playing with. Especially when it causes wipes.
@@maxspecs It's weird you say that because the idea was first really common in eastern MMO's that were typically free to play in the early 2000's. Not sure why you think I don't know this. I guess you're implying something.
@@sequences8942 As mentioned, Squenix gets money if someone boosts past the story because the early game bores them. They don't if they play until the end of the free trial and decide to not move on with a regular subscription despite playing the game for a much longer period of time. One might even say they manufacture the early game boredom (compared to what happens later) in order to get people who want to just skip to the good stuff to be more willing to shell out for it. That might not be entirely the intent, since it does meaningfully set up the rest of the story, but it makes good business sense too.
Me and my cousin took a break from the msq during the heavensward patch content to do Alexander and it was some of the most fun I've had in the game. I have like 10 days play time and I'm only just starting storm blood. The only issue I see with the early game is the fact that the jobs feel sort of incomplete before their current iteration. Like gunbreaker and warrior both need level 72 before their aoe and meter work properly together. I think level 60-80 is such an important part of the jobs identity that it makes you want to get there sooner
Although i agree that the jobs feel like a drag for the first 40-50 levels, but evidently there's a point to it, since boosting makes you not understand a thing lol
To me, it seems WOW has corrupted his mind and he is unable to actually play a game without instant gratification. Unable to take their time and play it slowly at their own pace like how a game should be.
I hate this mentality. I prefer FFXIV but why does every goddamn FFXIV player need to shit on people who don't want to take their time, and hate the lengthy story and cutscenes. It's not being impatient, it's wanting the game to respect your time and what you enjoy from an MMORPG.
A tip for those who are first time queuing for any new alliance or content they unlock, . If you can, always queue at your Data Centre reset time or the time when you know people will be doing their Daily Roulette. DR is also serve as filler for people who queued specific content so pick your queue time help a lot.
Thing is, getting through the story to shadowbringers isn't even that long. I took my time (and I had faster queues because I main scholar) and I got to shadowbringers in about a month, and that was with doing side content.
@@ryno4ever433 this was last year. I have a bad habit of overworking myself. I draw a lot or work on long projects and I end up working morning till midnight. So the next day I'm super tired and I just play video games. I actually just finished patch 5.5 and when I got to the credits I saw all the cool scion art and got inspired toake my own.
Personally, I loved every moment of my journey through ARR. I started before they did the 'ARR Streamline' update, and replaying through ARR on an alt I'm sitting here like 'Wait.. Where'd that one quest go? Didn't I have to do more??' So it's fun all over again for me~ FFXIV was my first FF game, so I ate up every bit if dialog, every side quest, and I really felt like I was going on an epic adventure- with friends! I completely agree that it's a good thing that not everyone likes the game, and it's perfectly valid for people to have their own reasons why they don't like it. I do feel a little sad when a friend tells me that they didn't feel like FFXIV was their kind of game though 😅 Good video, thank you for the upload!
As someone who just got to Heavensward, I do want to say that even when taking my time, ARR was extremely boring and most of the missions and text felt pointless. There were multiple moments where I had to take a long break from the game cuz it really wasn’t clicking. Had I not been tipped that the game gets better in HW onwards, I probably would have quit. But so far, just based off if the end of ARR and the beginning of HW, stuff’s got a whole lot more interesting and I’m quite looking forward to continuing.
The problem with how Quinn handled it was absolutely ridiculous. If your not a story guy, your not a story guy. That's fine. But don't say a game sucks just because you have no understanding about where you are in the game when you paid to boost, how to play your class when actually playing the game in it's early stages would have at least gave you basics, but paid to boost a class instead. And then skip the story when yes, complain as you wish, but is actually integral to the game since before being an MMO, FFXIV is an RPG. I think he was just hoping on the XIV trend train and was expecting tons of people to watch and sub to him. Without understanding the audience he was getting himself involved with, he literally put himself on an open pyre by boosting. He can experience the game anyway he wants to, that's no lie. But when you decide to boost, you automatically invalidate the value of your opinion because you didn't take the time to play the game. If he chose to go back and do it later via new game plus, that would have been okay. But he didn't.
Even for someone who doesn’t like reading i am still enjoying this game for its aesthetic, community, and art style. I skip a lot of the text cutscenes, but i love to sit and listen to the dubbed ones. If i could somehow have the text cutscenes be text to speech i would probably start listening to those too.
Even I got bored with the story in the beginning but I loved the rest of it I'm still only like lvl 30 but I'm still playing the msq and still enjoying myself and skipping any cutscenes that bore me too badly like pointless ones with little dialog that doesn't really have a point, but I pay attention to the voiced ones and important ones and I'm having a decent time even though I don't care for story in games.
The major disconnected I believe is that FFXIV is a RPG first and MMO second, while WoW is the opposite. In a RPG the story is the focus, in a MMO current content is the focus.
(Warning: This is something of a small essay. Read at your own discretion.) I began playing WoW in 2005 and in 2006 I joined a PUG UBRS run. UBRS was basically a raid that was designed like a normal dungeon, but with twice the party size. It was basically where you learned the basics of raiding before moving on to actual raids. And it turned into a complete disaster. The raid leader didn't know what he was doing, didn't give any directions, didn't know any of the boss tactics (And there weren't that many) and when it came to looting the second boss, he asked the raid if it was okay for him to take an epic shoulder drop. Considering his poor performance, nobody was having it. In fact, we were all pretty angry because our gear had become so damaged that we'd lost more than we gained from the run, due to the mistakes he kept making. And then he panicked, started apologizing profusely to everyone and handing out loot randomly to people with no idea how to properly distribute it. And that's how I, a warrior, ended up with a ring for magic casters. What quickly became obvious was that this was a guy who had never played the game before in his life. And that the reason he had a high level character with decent gear was because he had bought an account on E-Bay. The impression I got is that this was someone whose friends had recommended the game to him and gotten him really excited from all the times they talked about how fun raiding was. But he probably also didn't have a very high self esteem and thought that if he just had a high level character from the start, it would make it easier to play the game. In all honesty, I hope he didn't quit playing. I hope after he recovered from what I'm sure was a horrible experience, he decided to create a new character and play the game from scratch, joined a good guild that helped him learn how to play, boosted his self-esteem and that he had many years of fun back when the game really was good. And then I hope he sold all the gear on the character he bought, deleted it and used the gold to pay back his friends for the times they helped him cover the mount training fees. He really didn't seem like a bad guy. Just someone who wanted to have fun the same way his friends did and didn't want to wait to have the same joyful experience. The situation with Quin gives me similar vibes, but in a different way. From what I've seen of his time in FFXIV, Quin came across as the sort of person who wanted to skip straight to end game raiding because that's what he enjoys in WoW, but was so sure of his abilities as an MMO gamer that he didn't think he'd need to learn how to play his class. And instead of apologizing when he made mistakes decided to blame the everyone and everything except himself.
Here's the deal. The guy was playing the game the normal way. Until he saw Amongold doing the level 50 raid/trials content. He instantly got boosted to do the same shit to get the viewers Amon had. its that simple.
I remember watching a clip he got hit by 3 aoes in the span of a second then he blamed the healers. As a healer main I don't mind being blamed when I mess up but when its your fault from getting hit by 3 aoes and not knowing how you died then blaming me cause you were too oblivious to even see what hit you that just made my skin itch. regarding ARR I think some people think ARR bad due to it is a bit slow to get you out of the "training wheels" phase. I feel up to titan everything feels slow and hand held and still world building. but after titan it is like ok you are someone important now things are more than you are just some adventurer and forces of good and evil have their eyes on you.
Seems to me Quin thought he was going to scoop up Asmon/Bellular's viewership who don't want to watch FFXIV content by saying "I tried it and this game sux!! Come hear me bitch about weeb game!!", only to find more people than expected saw through his shallow efforts and were willing to call him out on it. I'm not a big fan of FFIX atm (level 40 warrior, tanking is very easy and progressing the main story is a slog through filler quests), so I agree it's not for everyone but you can't boost through learning how the game works then complain about mechanics.
Brooo id stop playing if i was doing warrior too xD shits a snoozefest for me. If PLD, and DRK werent a thing id probably not enjoy the game as much as i do. Id love an action version of this game tho. Tab targetting is not my thing but it is what it is
@@degenxayah Hey, nothing like going into an 80 dungeon and making the healer feel useless! PLD can do the same but when they use clemency healers just get insulted and mad lol. DRK as much as I love the best midigation skill, it's invul pisses me the main tank off. Oh and poor GNB with all the self hate, harming themselves just to give healers heart attacks is a no no! That being said as someone who only plays tanks after leveling everything to cap. I love all tanks for different reasons. War is my go to dungeon job. PLD is my story and OT job. DRK my MT job. GNB my farming job for the extra dps.
@@davidwilliams3271 PLD was my first love. I started as BLM 2 years back but ive never really liked magic but it was the closest thing to a necromancer with their "we learnt magic from doing funerals" backstory. Im a stereotypical metal/punk head so i love vampirism, undead and demons and never tanked before. I forget what exactly made me pick up tanking for the first time in my life but im glad i did. Tanking in FF is so enjoyable and DRK is the closest ill get to a "vamp" class in this game with their BLOOD gauge and siphoning the health and mana from their enemies so thats what i play and i thoroughly enjoy how it plays too. Still havent gotten one of my 20 characters to a dungeon where i can use TBN outside of PvP and im worried cus reactively using defensives is something i struggle with, especially being a ranged main from LoL but its fun to tank in FF. You feel more a part of the experience in low level content. As a thaumaturge id get one or two spells off on adds before the group burned the mobs and i felt useless. now im always an active participant What i love about the game is that there is something for everyone to love. I might not like a class but somebody will LOVE it and everything will be balanced. FF rules
I played ff14 about 2 years ago and had the same mindset as quin, the same mindset that wow caters to. "Getting to the end, and that's when the REAL gameplay starts", I skipped most if not all of the cutscenes playing through up until before havensword, had the same opinions as him, and quit. I eventually went back to wow during the shadowlands release and was ultimately disappointed in the lack of content, and then decided to give FF another shot. I've been playing it non stop since then and absolutely loving every moment of time I spend in it. and it REALLY helped when I stopped thinking of it to be similar to wow, and more of a legitimate story driven RPG
He actively trolled and attacked the FFXIV community from the 1st minute (weeb game, tank and spank, too easy, etc.), this just not "liking" the game. Later I discovered that this is a thing he does as part of his show.
I went in wanting to get to Shadowbringers asap, but I knew if I skipped I’d have no idea what was going on, so I played through and enjoyed every minute of it.
The current problem is... FFIX presented as WoW killer. And people move to FF thinking it's just wow that's better, but it's not. It's different game and their expectations are wrong. FF is beautiful, chill, atmospheric game. But i wont be playing it, because that's not what i currently want. And you should think for streamers as well. How much people everyday asks them to play FF. Even if he doesnt want to - it's better to just start the game, fk everything up and go "eh, i tried, didnt liked" so people will stop asking them to play the game, they didnt want to play to begin with. And yes, FF community is quite defensive about the game. There is no PvP. The combat is old, like lineage 2 ages old. Effects are WAY too flashy. The world is confusing for western players. And i'm sure there are plenty more. FFIX is amazing game, but not perfect. Ruri said it well - WoW making game for everyone, ending up making for noone. And these everyone now trying to squeeze themselves into FF, even if they dont belong there, just because it "trend" Give it a year, a honeymoon phase will be over and people will leave. Just like with Classic WoW. It's still will introduce FF to many players that will enjoy and play game further. But majority will leave and either come back to WoW, or Lost Ark, or New World, or any other new MMORPG that coming out soon. Unless blizzard release Diablo IV and get players back on money hook. P.S. about old content being obsolete. It's easy to say, when FF has 4 expansions vs WoW's 8 expansion. Pretty hard to make twice as much of a content relevant without spreading players as butter across massive loaf of bread
While I agree with you to some extent about the scopes of the games being very different, wow is much larger, I disagree because wow has never even attempted to make old content relevant at all. In fact it has gotten worse as the expansions have come out. It started in wrath with even patches making older content obsolete. I skipped most of ulduar, came back at the launch of ICC and was raid ready in just a couple weeks with badge gear. I never even had to set foot in ulduar. Time walking exists but thats about all it does. So I do agree that going back and rebalancing fights from old content wouldn't be worth the time or energy for blizzard at this point, seeing as gameplay amongst classes is completely different. I disagree on the size argument bc wow has always made old content obsolete, even moving into the tbc it negated any reason to run level 60 dungeons or raids. The green gear was better and the xp at level 58 in outlands was far superior
@@TitusAndromadon well, first of all - old content is relevant via collectable items. Transmog, mounts, toys, achievements. You can see quite a few groups in groups finder for old raids. Even tho most of them are soloable - people still gathering groups to do the achievements with certain mounts. And when in shadowlands they squished levels - old content became harder, we couldnt even do Dazaralor as full raid of lvl 60 because of that. People were complaining that they no longer able to solo old content. So if you make old content relevant and force people to do it in group - they will be upset "oh no i now have to gather party of noobs to do raid to get one item, what is this bs" Second of all - old content is massive. Again, 4 expansion vs 8. So you cant level throughout entire WoW history in reasonable amount of time. And previously as you were leveling - you could do dungeons of those expansions (classic - wotkl+tbc - pandaria+cata - draenor+legion - bfa). And queues werent that bad, a lot of people were doing dungeons instead of leveling. Third - in bfa they added feature, called "Synchronization". So no matter what level you are, you can come to your leveling friend, sync with him, and you downscaled to his level and synced with his quests and his world. And if you want to level only in older content - you can just sync with someone of that level and play those zones that you want. You will get xp and you will lvl up without the need to do latest content. Like i can take my lvl 50 character, go to Elvynn forest, sync with someone who has lvl 10-20 (or just start second game in background) and here you go, i can level 50-60 in that zone. Fourth - they made timewalking Chromie expansions in shadowlands. So you can level throughout one expansion. Go in lvl 10, Go out lvl 50. And just be doing main story quests. Just like FF. Without need of doing sidequests. (well, for the most part. I think only Legion you can level by only story. In bfa you cant even finish story before you hit lvl 50, but still it's close to lvl 50 by doing only story). Yes you, once again, cant do entire WoW while leveling, but that's even better. If i want to make an alt - i can experience different story. That's why i prefer leveling in bfa to shadowlands. And, obviously, timewalking events. Not only dungeons, but old raids as well. So there 100% were attempts. It's just not that easy to make correctly. WoW is competitive game of minmaxers. They pursue BiS, max ilvl, top trinkets for their classes and etc. How you gonna balance 8 expansions worth of loot to be relevant in current state of the game? How you gonna solve the problem of "i need to do this exact dungeon for this exact item, but because all content is relevant - it will take me ages before i can find group for this exact dungeon". And even if you make old content relevant and to give you currency you can use to buy items - you will face the problem of "i dont feel rewards from killing boss if i just get currency that can use to buy stuff with". Some loot has it's own unique quirks. Maybe extra dmg on weapon with certain element, because it drops from someone, who is using that element. And thus game loses even more of it's "loot is tied to bosses" component of game. WoW is massive game. With massive game comes massive audience. With massive audience comes different opinions. And you cant satisfy them all. That's why most people think FFIX succeeded. Not because it does everything right. But because it has audience that came to this game with similar opinions and want similar things that easier to satisfy
Well said. I've always felt similar, if you hate the early game it's highly possible you won't enjoy doing that same exact gameplay for 120+ hours, regardless of how "good" it gets. Kudos if you enjoy boosting past the story but I wouldn't recommend it without giving it a fair shot first.
I do admit I rushed with leveling because a friend made a bet with me, but the story resonated heavily with me. Even with ARR, coming to it as a roleplayer from WoW gave me SO much more to sink my teeth into. I've never enjoyed doing content or dungeons in WoW, but in FFXIV it's a complete delight. It is a shame that people don't take their time to learn and experience things, since ARR did a very good job at getting me used to some of the mechanics and my role. I can see why people would dislike doing it a second time, though!
Hell, I should buy a WoW boost and talk shit about WoW the same way this guy tried to shit on FFXIV. Thing is, I would probably be more accurate in my assholery than he was.
The main story of ARR is really good, the issue I personally had was with the after story quests between ARR and Heavensward, it felt like it took absolutely forever and when I was finally done, turns out you have to do the entirety of the Crystal Tower series. I know it's been streamlined time and time again but goddamn it felt like a chore.
I don't get why people think RR is boring Im enjoying myself even on the trial lol I've just been doing other things in the game besides the main quest for the past few weeks, I wish I started playing this game years ago!
I have no idea who Quin is. Probably never will. As a regular guy, I tend to ignore anyone's opinion where they don't explain why they have it. "This game is fantastic" needs some details. "This game is garbage" needs some details. If you can't tell me EXACTLY why you like a game or hate it... your opinion isn't valid. Pretty much anyone and everyone can tell you why they like or hate something. Fairly easily, in fact. Judging by the tweets I'm reading here... He doesn't elaborate on his opinion at all. Granted, this is twitter with it's limits... But he makes several posts a day, looks like, and he can't just elaborate on his opinion with repeated posts? Or make a UA-cam video to cite examples of why he hates things? What I'm seeing here is just a lot of "not qualified" opinions. That is to say... opinions he holds with no reason to hold them. "Combat is not engaging". Okay, why not? I can even cite some reasons why it might not be. Early level with very few skills, that 2.5 GCD feels LONG. Because you have so few skills at your disposal, combat has to be fairly simple with very few mechanics. Later on, as you get more skills and approach Level 50, you realize why this is the way it is. Namely, to give you time to acclimate to EVERY SKILL YOU HAVE. That is, time to test them all out, time to read all their tooltips, time to try to figure out "good rotations" with everything you have. Baseline skills up to Level 30 teach you how the class is supposed to play. Gives you the overall "feeling". It also gives you the first "rotation" you are likely to have once you hit Level 30. This, inevitably, paves the way into giving you more skills so that you can adopt longer rotations or dual weaving. Complexity moves up from there with every class as a result. Another reason "combat isn't engaging" is likely to be that pretty much all story related content is for casuals. It's designed to be gotten through quickly, easily, and by ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE with minimum issue (heck, if you fail an MSQ combat mission, the game immediately asks if you would like to put it to Very Easy!). Difficulty doesn't really ramp up until you hit Level 50 and begin unlocking "Hard" Trials/Dungeons and the Raids. The higher level you get, the more difficult the content gets. The more mechanics in play. The more overlapping mechanics in play. To the point that you actually have to watch for a casting bar on the bosses or look for environmental cues OTHER than big orange circles on the ground. The last reason combat might not be engaging... even at higher levels... is he ended up in groups that "carried him". That is, he was a sole sprout in a group of experienced players who knew what to do and it didn't matter if he actually died (if he was playing as DPS... yeah, it's very likely the thing could've been completed without him contributing much at all... unless he was approaching Level 70+ content). Those are my guesses because he doesn't elaborate on this opinion. Same issue with story, it looks like. "Didn't like story". Okay, what about it didn't you like? I can tell you, from personal experience, that in ARR it often feels exceptionally tedious. There are places in every expansion where you just have "tedious quests". Go here, talk to a person, run across the entire map, talk to another person, quest over. Nothing super interesting learned about the Lore or the Characters. Nothing to pique emotional investment. This is a huge problem in ARR, but it gets better with each expansion and "slowly goes away" or at least minimizes the deeper into the actual story you get. The other issue with the story is that without proper context for some things (like everything in ARR), you will be scratching your head on what is going on and it will be difficult to become invested. This is likely why in HW they shifted from "worldbuilding" to "developing Alphinaud as a character" in terms of direction. HW is basically entirely character pieces and minimal Lore and Worldbuilding in order to get the player far more invested in the events, even if they don't have the context for them. Each further expansion does this more and more. But, sidequests, by and large, remain basically XP/Gil pinatas. Simple stories, you probably won't really care about them, but you use them to get XP, Equipment, Items, and Money. You don't even have to complete a single Sidequest in the game if you don't want to. I know I really didn't. Saved them all for Alt Jobs and helping to level those. I missed out on nothing of import. But, we'll never know because he didn't elaborate on why "Story wasn't good". "Can't customize characters" is another one. You can customize them. Or... was he looking for a massive character creator thing at the beginning? I'm not sure what he was looking for. No elaboration. There's a ton of armor, dyes, and hairstyles in the game you can unlock and earn. Not good enough? I can absolutely agree. I want the glam system from Guild Wars 2 instead. But, there's still a lot here. Maybe his problem about lack of customization could've been solved had he voiced what about customization he didn't like and didn't think was "good enough". We'll never know. Pretty much every single complaint he has here isn't elaborated on. It's just, "I don't like this, I thought it was bad, I'm too lazy too elaborate". People who are unable to elaborate on why they like or dislike something are often people who have gone in with "already formed opinions". Namely, they didn't form their own opinion... they borrowed it from someone else. Or, they're holding preconceived notions as fact. They can't tell you why they like or dislike something because they simply decided they would like it or dislike it BEFORE ever engaging with it. This is why I tend to ignore anyone's opinion on something if they can't elaborate on why they have it. They tend to be parroting someone else's opinion or some preconceived notion about it without having given it a fair chance.
It wasn't even an issue of not taking his time. It's the fact that he set out with a transparent agenda and he never had ANY intention whatsoever of an honest or legitimate try of the game. He went in with the position "I hate this game" and his only reason for this stunt was so he could pretend to have played it so he could then be "justified" in screaming about it and appeal to a particular subset of the WoW audience that he hoped to draw in. His agenda was just SO transparent that everybody saw what he was doing and it caused the backlash it did.
Coming from The Secret World, I had zero trouble with the telegraphs. There's a lot you can say about The Secret World's combat, but its telegraphing was tight.
For me something similar happened, the first time I tried the game I rushed only to unlock dancer. Missed big part of the game. Right now I’m back from 0 taking my time
I get not liking a game, I get story not being your thing, and I would have been fine with him boosting if he would have taken the time to PROPERLY learn his class but he decided to go from training wheels to full extreme trick riding and wondered why he broke his neck and decided it was the bike and park's fault.
Yeah I think this was the majority of the community issue. Deciding its not your thing is fine. He judged it without learning mechanics or his job. I will admit, we as a community are furiously protective of the game lol. But Qinns issue & a lot of ppls issue is he went in thinking he was gonna play it like WoW & you really cant do that. Thats really the biggest hurdle too... Wow players have played so long & often times Only Wow, they need "Deprogrammed"
@@BadGamer_OG It probably did help I played *many other* MMORPGs then just a single MMO like WoW. I would probably would have done the same exact things as all these WoW refugees need to understand. Yes, it is a Theme Park MMORPG like WoW, but it's more about *its story* than the rush to Endgame. Take it at your own pace to enjoy the experience and journey instead of already being annoyed at the many systems that bar your path to the Endgame that is in WoW.
your problem is that he didnt play the game how you wanted him to? and how does that effect you in any way?
@@WrangleMcDanglein E1S he got hit by an avoidable attack and died and he blamed the healer for not healing him
@@WrangleMcDangle "how we play the game" is literally how the game is programmed to be played. Going to Gold Saucer is a play choice. Refusing to join an FC is a play choice. Choosing whether to raid or not is a play choice. Boss fight mechanics are not a play choice.
Getting out of AoEs before the marker disappears (or die trying) is part of the game. Knowing your kit and rotation is part of the game. Learning how boss move telegraphs and ability markers work is part of the game.
If you, as a GAMER, are not willing to at least play the game the way it is trying to teach you from level 1 how it is supposed to be played... wtf is the point in playing to begin with??
Boost, story skip, whatever. There are successful stories for people who did that. So what? But those people learned how to play the game despite that choice. Not because of it. Quin went in and said "I'm going to play this like WoW," and surprise Pikachu'd all over the floor when that didn't work. Then decided to blame everyone and everything else, except himself and his choices, for the outcome. Oh, and lied about said outcome. Like claiming to keep up with level 80 raiders... while being under-the-barrel in dps.
As for how it affects people, Quin is a popular streamer. Like it or not, he influences part of the player tide and where it ebbs and flows. As do many other streamers. Quin's dishonesty would have affected future players deciding to try the game or not. Thankfully, most people are treating what happened with Quin as the cautionary tale that it is, instead of a source of inspiration. Except for memes, of course.
He tried being an epic troll, and got upset when cohhcarnage shut him down on Twitter.
mr dudestar must be in his 30s and still hasn't bothered changing that "69", speaks volumes.
He created a persona and had to stick with it, the classic dude bro with shallow view and short attention span that require constant stimulation. But man it was a bad move to go after FF14 just for the reason of it being popular, because it’s not Apex Legend, Fortnight or any overnight successful game that is filled with children . The game popularity was built over time by patient community and dev, the original fan base are made up of FF series fans that are the root of FF14 community’s fervent defensiveness. And when it comes to FF fans, they are very, very food at converting other people into the franchise, and for good reason, the games are good and emotional. FF14 is the embodiment of classic FF games, fanbase of which is extremely protective of their game.
@@notverynotoriousg5674 he makes money in a day than you do all year
@@michaelj4669 who gives a fuck how much money he makes? Wtf dude. Are you like his family member or something?
@@michaelj4669 So this is America's celebrity culture, you should be respect the person based on how much money he made.
i learned the telegraph thing at level 7 fighting those lizard humanoids in the forest around my starting city as a Conjurer.
Same tbh, currently a lvl 65 white mage and I know quite a lot of the telegraphs through playing the game
"oh i wasnt out in time. Probably should move faster"
Where's the heals!?!?
About the only defense you can give him is that the AOE didn't have a ground marker, that said if he actually did normal mode properly he would have known what the glowing balls of fire next to the boss where.
@@QwertyBoredom122 also story mode encounters, job quests, and dungeons have that mechanic too. He would have known if he played more but from the clips he died a lot to them.. he didnt really seem like he was trying to learn it or was turbo tilted. Either way, i think if he stopped when he wasnt enjoying the early game and people wouldnt be so mad at him cus we all went thru ARR. We know lol.
I actually like levelling through ARR MSQ, especially after the changes but im just weird like that. Making alts is fun for me cus inventing a backstory for my character is half the fun.
[Edit] and criticising the tutorial dungeon as harshly as he did just shows what his mindset was like. He came in hoping to be pushed and hyped at all times but thats not how most MMOs play. Especially early on.
@@QwertyBoredom122 even in normal mod i would not stand next to those things in general (thats just human thinking i guess the inner anxiety if u know what i mean) LOL unless E1S
Asmongold gave the game a fair chance. If he stopped now and said he don't like the game, I would be confused lol. But I would respect it. I think the problem people had or have is that Quin not liking the game is all of his own doing. And then he blames healers and say the story sucks when considering the depth of the story, he did not experience it. His opinion on XIV doesn't have any credibility.
if you take Quin “the god gamer” seriously then that’s on you, he’s always played a character.
@@brandonkruse6412 You can't excuse everything by playing a character, that's dishonest
@@Mystra You can when it’s a literal fact.
@@brandonkruse6412 No you can't. It doesn't make it okay to be a toxic pos just because you're acting. That's stupid.
@@Mystra nah man. You can excuse any and all behavior with “it’s his character LUL” if he went around punching babies “stop being so serious it’s just a character LUL” if he started being insanely racist “characters LUL” XD
I played FFXIV during HW era, and quitted coz I rushed through the game trying to catch up with my friends and do Endgame contents, and ended up burning myself out during the 100 quests pre HW.. A couples of years later I give it another try, during the final SB period, and rushed agian for the same reason, skipping all the dialogues and cutscenes, reached the end of the main quest, and got another burnout. A week ago I tried a different approach, and I created a whole new account to be able to use the free trial, but this time I'm playing by my own, taking my time, reading all the main quest and job quest dialogues, and so on.. And I'm having a blast, I'm enjoying the game so much, that I feel stupid for the time wasted back in the days. I finished yesterday the 2.0 main quest, and today I didn't even started the 7th Astral Era quest, coz I got lost with my flying mount doing side quests and optional dungeon/trials. And I can't wait to start the pre HW quests, because I know that that's where the game set the basics for what is the TRUE story.
I don't usually write in YT comments, but I felt like doing it now, coz that's exactly my story, and I don't want that people do my same mistake, and waste a game so good like this one!!
For me, i pretty much focused the MSQs from Post ARR on, skipping cutscenes and not caring until Crystal Tower.
Then i was hooked on the story
Rushing through the msq and enjoying every second of the amazing writing
The same exact thing happened to me, but i wasnt gonna waste all my progress so I binge watched one of those "ff14 story movies" in youtube for the ARR and HW stories and started paying attention and actually read the story in stormblood, and it gets good, im really enjoying the game.
Quin went into the game with preconception "wow good - ff bad" and wanted to prove it. There's no way he would've enjoyed the game, he didn't want to enjoy it from the start. But whatever, this game isn't for everyone, it doesn't matter if he didn't like it.
Even funnier is that if you go look at his WoW content. He underforms as his class so hard that the raid group pretty much acts like a 19 person party.
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Even worse is he must have been under the impression that this was 2014 and people would agree with his opinion that FF14 sucks. Like even if that's how he feels about the game he should have read the room and been like "I respect people liking this game, but it's not for me." and moved on. His continual muckraking is gonna continue to cause him to be ostracized. Especially when all his peers seem to be having a blast with the game.
@@NeoDMC He's stuck in the past in terms of when World of Warcraft was still amazingly good. It feels. When Nostalgia can only take you so far until you are sick and tired of everything in that game. Feels like the Flood Gates are opening for that problem if WoW continues down the path of Self-Destruction by thousand cuts. But with Ion's replacement going to replace him with the same shit that Ion brought to the table, I feel like the future for WoW isn't bright at all.
@@NeoDMC I guess maybe he was trying to play the contrarian for all the other bitter WoW players who didn't want to give the game up. But he didn't have the patience and I think even those players gave him shit for doing this, since it wouldn't be considered a valid approach to WoW either (not the boosting itself but then playing a little bit with no clue and quitting).
*stands on telegraphed move and dies
WHERE ARE THE HEALS!?
The worst part is I think he was standing in a spot where he got hit by 4 aoes at once. There's no way anyone is surviving that.
It was only 3 AOEs and one of them was a vulnerability stack, either way someone on twitter did the math and he got hit with somthing like 5x his max HP, only way anyone was surviving that hit was playing tank and using the oh shit button.
Every DPS player in history
Healers can't fix stupid unfortunately
@@darkmirror21 But Adjust :o haha, joke i know, i would just let him die and leave him there after he yelled furiosly "where were the heals" thats what i would do. (Healer Main)
Quin is the perfect example as to why asmongold didn't want to skip through anything. It would seem quin ruined the game for himself and then complained that the game sucks after.
Asmongold didnt skip anything because he's making millions hustling the mediocrity that the 14 community is.......He wont play the game ever again in a cpl months he's content farming and that's it
@@Ugoofy1 Copium addict is addicted to copium. More at 11.
@@FiendMatadorSlayerOfNoobs
I don't understand that Sokkii dude. Why is he whining in all comments like that?
And it's ALWAYS when it's talking about Asmon...
Projecting much?
@@hopeatlast9617 bro you don't understand him, he has the hots for Asmon. So he's just jealous or whatever
Top 3 people that I would, without hesitation, publicly shame and break their kneecaps:
#1 @@Ugoofy1
#2 Furries
#3 Weebs
He's a liar.. I saw some of his stream. He was laughing at how fast he could click PAST the story and saying how much he hated it before he left the starting area for the first time. It was ridiculous .... he didn't like it; cool; move on. He just wanted click bait.
And that's why Quin69 got memed on hard. lol
then you know he is not particulary great at wow either :D
@@TheMrakic Guess the only game he's good at is Path of Exile? Unless he is also bad at that game. lol
@@ArmageddonEvil might be, i've seen him just playing wow and it wasn't great :D
@@TheMrakic Rofl. So he sucks in MMORPGs in general. haha
Quintin just got salty, that's all there is to the story. He didn't have the will to learn nor the skills to adapt, he got salty, he quitted and blamed on everything else but himself.
This is just Quin.. watch any stream of his playing any game including his main game Path of Exile. This is a staple of his character he plays.. idk why the 14 community cares this much about a dumb streamer saying they didn't like the game. Literally who cares lol
@@solodolo7161 I don’t think anyone in the FF community knows him. He’s just been appearing on the UA-cam algorithm for the past week since he got memed on so anyone who gets recommended ffxiv meme videos would’ve gotten it recommended as well.
Bruh, the guy is rank 1 in wow, 14 is not a hard game.....it's way too slow for actual good gamers......There's a reason no serious pro gamers take 14 seriously........
@@Ugoofy1 >Too many elipses
>Game is too slow.
Do your parents know you're on the internet?
@@gaiusmanus1500 He's an incredibly bad troll on an alt-account with bait that couldn't hook a starving shark. Just let him decay away.
In fact, I think it's actually Quin69 himself, given how much he likes to "praise" him, when nobody else does.
It would have been totally fine if he just said that he didn't like FFXIV because it wasn't his kind of game.
It's still not fine. Didn't you get the point? He didn't properly play or enjoy the game so his takes aren't properly informed. I don't give a damn how politely someone phrase something if the point itself is still bad.
@@lunausagi8495 i mean when you make a mistake and say something is not for you - okay, people won't force it down your throat (unless it's politics). And that's what the first comment was about i assume.
But quin did the dumbest thing possible and assaulted the game & the community. That's the problem
@@lunausagi8495 he could just look at the first quest and say yeah this isnt for me people wont get mad. he literally lied that he tried and tried to make it out as the game is bad.
@@vitorossi7839 He assaulted the game and community is one thing. But if he was more polite about phrasing his take, to me it wouldn't make it any better a take. Sure, understandable, no one is going to force it on him. But objectively the take itself is badly informed due to him just boosting
@@AhaoPopolo My point is that even if he was polite about saying the game is bad and isn't for him after boosting like that doesn' change that his take is bad and unvalid. Understandable, true but still poorly informed that it can't be fix using politeness alone
Quitter69 is equivalent to someone purchasing a AAA $60 game. Using cheats and/or 3rd party tools to cheat in order to skip the entire storyline and reach the ending, without learning the story & game mechanics. Fight the final boss, lose then proceed to claim the game is complete utter garbage.
Reminds me of Lazy Peon trashing the game then taking down the video and pretending it never happened...
@@damien9683 Still, I believe that Lazy Peon gave death threats to himself so he doesn't have to take criticism on why he trashed on FFXIV so hard. But his review was so badly misplaced it is terrible he thought that was a good review to script in the first place.
Yes, I know our community dislikes when people trash on the game, but it felt like he was using the excuse of death threats. Since there are many people that use that excuse to be a victim and do send death threats to themselves to paint a demographic or group badly.
@@damien9683 Quin is better than Lazy Peon. There is an art to being the bad guy, and Quin played his part to perfection. Lazy Peon wussed out and deleted his video.
That's not equivalent... that's a recap...
So it’s his fault they offer the service to first time players?
You want boosts then this shit happens. So what, who cares. All that aside, it’s fucking quin he trolls on purpose.
Imagine a clown entering a Burgershop, ordering a burger then entering the kitchen, taking the uncooked patty from the cook and eating it raw on a plain bun then saying he got sick because the food sucks.
you got the clown part right
Quin boosted himself over to the burger and couldn't even eat it properly lol
The simple fact that Quin didn't have the patience to learn the fights and got frustrated that there was no introduction to the mechanics after skipping the introduction is all that needs to be said. He didn't have the patience. The game isn't for him.
He commited a string of cardinal sins that the FFXIV community finds abhorrent. These are mistakes people repeatedly tell WoW refugees not to fall prey to. But to further insense things he began preaching that his self-inflicted sabotage of his potential enjoyment of the game were actually negative aspects of FFXIV. That's almost as bad as a gaming journalist demanding Dark Souls to have an easy mode.
As such, it is abhorrent that Game Journos want to have an Easy mode in Dark Souls. Get Good!
or that journalist that got stuck in cup head tutorial
@@ruick78 They are only in it for the free copies and to play games half-ass to give bad reviews if they don't check the progressive boxes... >.>
@@ruick78 that guy wasn't a games reviewer and he praised Cuphead in spite of his being bad at it. Don't buy into the narrative.
Edit: changed "journalist" to "reviewer". My original statement was incorrect; Dean Takahashi is a games journalist, but he's not one of the ones crying for games to have easy modes.
@@rohiogerv22 Not true. I've seen this posted before and have no idea where it came from. Dean Takahashi is the one playing and yes, he is a journalist that covers video games.
The streamers who didn’t boost are loving the game while the ones that did are bored and hating it….funny how that works.
It’s almost like there is a correlation....
I skiped a lot through arr but I did watch an in-depth story video explaining everything that happened, because I did care about what was happening. I was having really bad headaches trying to read the quests, my dyslexia just flared up a lot and It was hard to read.
@@AmbeEve It honestly doesn't help that there are quite a few sections in ARR where nothing really happens. Just a lot of filler. I found myself skimming pretty much everything in Coerthas during the arc where you need to get Cid's airship because of just how boring that arc was & how it was always 1 step forward, 2 steps back & nothing was happening. Personally just finished the Seventh Umbral Era questline (So base game ARR) a few days ago & have been loving it so far. I'd say that one arc is probably the only low point so far
My biggest problem with Quin is complaining about the "lore" when he literally boosted past most of it. It was the same thing as Lazy Peon. Skipping the story doesn't give you the right to comment on its quality with any authority. I would have had far more respect of him if he had just quit after Sastasha and said, "I found the combat simple and the story boring." But, that's not what he did. He boosted and it was very clear he didn't know the rotations for the jobs and then he complained about the combat. He didn't "keep up" with the other players in the raids as he said he did in his tweets. It's fine that he didn't like the combat, but don't try and say you know what you were doing.
There's a lot to the mechanics that you learn as you level. There's more than just "stay out of the orange and stack with the stack marker" as one person in the chat suggested. But, if you do your dungeons and trials as you level, you see a lot of the mechanics. People will regularly say, "Oh, that's Shiva's circles", "that's Exaflares and that's Earth Shakers" (both from Binding Coil) both of which are level 50 mechanics that occur even in max level raids. You learn delayed attack mechanics from "acceleration bomb" in a level 60 alliance raid and the "Active Time Event" he died to twice, first showed up in a level 60 Alexander raid (A11 Normal).
Why get a boost if you are liking the lore? Getting a boost does give you the right to comment on its quality if you boost because the lore is dogshit and wanted to skip it.
People keep saying you need to level to learn the class, which has been a total failure of an argument. I have played plenty of games where I skipped to max level and could play the classes just fine. Its like saying "you can only learn about combos while leveling through GW2" it actually doesnt teach you about certain combos like certain things will give you a shield, or a boon of some sort or altering your abilities in some way. So saying someone has to play like you do.
The only thing that you are really saying is you have to play the content, that dungeon or raid from your example, to learn the mechanics. So what if you do it at max level vs while leveling?
It seems like FFXIV fans are just going off the wall on someone not liking their game and making excuses. I think FFXIV looks like crap. I dont even like WoW at the moment, but im not going to play FF.
If FF is so good why are you guys here posting on youtube comments about how much you dont like someone that doesnt like what you do. So what he died, as you said you have to do the content to learn it which isnt some new thing. I half expect most of the people to be overblowing the entire thing anyways.
I read the first line of your post and skipped the rest. Sorry to many words was boring. Now I'm like Quinn.
@@maybeitsyou1317 OMG your comment made me LOL. that was a good one
@@SymplyOP did Quin pay you to come defend his honor??
@@SymplyOP you can’t know the lore if you’ve literally just done 1 to 16. By that point, you only know a bit about your starting city state. It's like doing Mulgore in WoW and thinking you know the lore of WoW. Skipping ahead to 70 means you've literally skipped 3 out of 4 expansions of lore.
Yes, you can skip ahead and learn. But, if you do that you need to put in the work to learn the skills. You'll also be at a disadvantage for not knowing how certain mechanics behave. Quin didn’t put in the effort to learn his jobs. There are basic things he didn’t do.
Little things like “I used jump!” where that won't negate a knockback. So, he got knocked off and died. Another time, he stood in two mechanics plus a targeted mechanic and died, “Where are the heals?” Sorry, you can’t heal stupid. Even on normal, let alone Savage that would kill you instantly.
Based on his rotation, I'd say he was doing tank damage as a DPS, so like half the damage he should have done. That’s not keeping up with the others as he claimed.
It's not the healthy way of playing any game. Imagine starting MHW and thinking of going to fight Alatreon or Fatalis asap
like playing FF7 for the PS1, and paying to skip the first three discs, getting to Sephiroth and having him roflstomp you. then whining the game sucks and its bad.
I know a guy that tried that he continues to bash his head against titanfall to this day
So then why does square offer boosts to new players then?
@@jprec5174 Believe it or not there are some people who had success stories on buying skips. Those who's only interested in raiding but the core difference is that those guys actually put the effort to learn everything about mechanics, their class, rotations.
A good example would be Lynx(used to be top 1 tank) where he said he skipped cutscenes because he's all for raiding but that dude spent a hell lot of time trying to learn everything he needs on raiding because that's just common sense right? Yet you don't see these kinds of people blame the game instead they try to improve themselves as time goes on.
If you're only interested on endgame raids fine, go buy yourself a boost no one's stopping you but atleast try to put some ACTUAL effort to learn everything you need to know before running them. We call that Good manners.
@@arkg171 and then there are quins. Great we now have a sample size of 2.
There's this youtuber by the name AfroSenju who still in Stormblood but have over 1000 hour playtime because he did EVERY contents available in each expansion, the exact opposite of a lot of people who just want to get to"the good shit" 😂
Me who still in the first stormblood quest and doing all the things a missed in heavenward and arr. 😇
I just want my ifrit Glam, c'mon rng.
I'm using asmon's stream to recap on all things ARR and HW including things I've missed whilst I'm in stormblood right now... But yea once i found out about quin (didn't know about him before hivemind) and what he did i just ignored him. Its one thing to criticize a game and another to bitch about it when the whole time it was clearly his own fault.. Why not just say, 'hey the game is not for me! hope others enjoy it'.. and just move on.
I'm clocking at 100 hours, didn't even finished ARR because i'm having a great time getting some alts to 50 and my crafts up to speed. And farming reputations hahah.
i just started heavensward and i’m having a blast!
I did that, too.
Wasnt Asmon the one who said he didnt want to boost because nobody would take his criticism seriously? And nobody gave him flak when he brings criticisms because he is taking the games experience seriously. This Quin thing is just annoying cus of how little effort he put in and he is acting like he knows something. Dont care if he enjoyed the game or not, but even I say when i criticize WoW that i only played a small bit and its not because the game is bad, or i retell peoples opinions and experiences as their experiences and add my own thoughts on what they said. The first dungeon at level 15 is not enough to have a serious opinion on something but ig it is enough to say "couldnt get into it". If Quin just said something like that then he probably wouldnt have gotten as much hate back. Doesnt deserve hate anyways but what he did was some good cringe 👌
All this drama surrounding Quin69's bad take. I never knew he existed in WoW until his meme video from someone else. I was like, 'What?'
Quin is a similar buffon as is the lazy peon when i saw his comment saying he read the whole lore in 3 days you cannot take that sh*t seriously knowing at least to complete ARR took you nearly 2 or 3 weeks whitouth skipping the story heck even skipping the story and lvl up took you a least more than 3 days
@@samifranco5541 i had to look up the lazy peon vod cus ive literally never heard of him lol yeh idk he was super salty but w/e he doesnt like reading and is impatient. These are more or less the reactions i expected from Asmon more than anything but he was super open minded. I dont care for Lalas myself so i get him being weirded out. For me Tataru, Momodi, Raubhan Jr. and Nanamo are exceptions cus i like their characters
@@degenxayah I feel like Lazypeon was annoyed that everyone wanted him to review the game. And decided to give out a shit review because of how many other MMORPGs he played. He jumps between every MMORPG because that's his job. He should take a mental break and stop for a few months to recharge...
Because one cannot handle the continued pressures of being a content creator for long or you'll be mentally drained and hate everything.
@@ArmageddonEvil yeah that seems about right. The vod i watched also brought up that he stopped playing wow because he stopped enjoying tab target hotbar system games. His audience knew he preferred action combat and pushed FF14 onto him in spite of his reservations. That extra context makes Lazy Peons salty opinion not so far fetched and entirely understandable.
I prefer action combat and if tanking in FF wasnt so much fun id probably play it less.
Same here, started FF14 about 2 months ago and i'm taking my time experiencing all the game has to offer me, i just began my journey through Shadowbringers and so far it's been a blast, my character may look like a traffic cone being a Lalafel BM but i love it.
That...is an odd description of your character's look, and I love it. XD Makes me wanna see it myself.
The other thing to remember is that people hear all these amazing things about Shadowbringers, especially the story. So people rush to get there, and yeah it's good enough to stand on its own, but it's really special when you have all the context of the past 8 years. That's a tough sell to some, but it's what make it so special.
I REALLY don't think anyone cares what he thinks about the game. We care that he never actually wanted to enjoy it and then made a complete fool of himself and then complained about the community making fun of him.
WHERES THE AOOS WHERE THE AOOS
It's no big loss really... I'm rather glad people like that aren't in the game.
I think the big issue for me is the fact that he trashed on the story without having experienced, y’know, the story. You can like a game or not idc but you kinda need to experience most of it in order to form a valid opinion. He didn’t bother to learn mechanics you learn at like level 5-10 and he pushed blame on his party members when he was at fault. FFXIV is better off without him tbh
Even the best story is awful if you read it as a spark notes summary trying to get to the ending.. It's such an obviously stupid thing to do and think you're getting an equivalent experience
I am SO glad that most of the new streamers are giving a new perspective of the game, and ACTUALLY helping remove this "reputation" that ARR has. They are all going through ARR and saying "this isn't as bad as people claimed it to be", or " this is nothing at all compared to the early game of other games". It's a breath of fresh air seeing them shutting people up;
It is really annoying when someone try to get into the game and the first thing they hear is " ARR is shit, but you gotta get through it", so if the person quits early on, they already have the perfect excuse as to why they quit.
Come on! We all fucking loved this game in ARR. Its not because the expansions are on a whole other level that the base game is bad, and if you keep telling other people it's bad, they'll probably run away from it.
One biggest difference between Asmon and Quin:
Asmon: Willing to learn and does hard content because it is fun
Quin: Does content for the sake of saying he has done it
There's nothing hard about 14 content bruh stop acting like it is.......
@@Ugoofy1 what a cute Bruh you are darling
@@Ugoofy1 Have you actually seen Asmon getting his ass handed to him by Good King Mog?
@@Ugoofy1 I am sure you have done all Ultimate fights and have the Necromancer title, right?
@@Ugoofy1 Obvious troll is obvious.
HOWEVER!
The "main game" you will play is the "casual content". That is, it isn't designed to be difficult. Story missions, side quests, job quests, etcetera. Not designed to be hard. This is "casual content". As a White Mage, I can "no brain" my way through all of this using ONLY SIX SKILLS (Regen, Medica 2, Cure 1, Cure 2, Dia, and Glare. If I need any healing more powerful than these spells, it's because someone is undergeared or a complete idiot). The content is so easy for casuals that you don't need to do much of anything.
This is on purpose.
This stuff is easy, because you're not doing it "for the difficulty". You're doing it to get Lore and Advance The Story. That is, it's designed to be as minimalistically tedious as possible. The vast majority of gameplay in FFXIV... is this "casual content". It exists to teach you things in a safe environment (mechanics, your class, your job, how to level efficiently, how to interact with the 6 dozen systems that synergize with each other, etcetera).
The places where it "gets difficult" are the high level content. The closer to max level you get, the more difficult it is... until it reaches "Medium Difficulty". Go into Trials and Dungeons 100% blind (and if your party did it too... which they tend to do with new content, because it's more fun that way) and you wipe about 3-7 times learning all the new stuff. This is the fun experience. But, it is at "medium difficulty". Currently, this starts somewhere around level 75. Content begins to "get more difficult".
Now, if you want to talk "Hard Content", then you're looking at things like Deep Dungeons (especially running solo, to attempt the title), Raids (Alliance Raids tend to be Casual or Medium level content), and Hard Mode/Extreme Trials/Dungeons. Raids, when run at minimum iLevel are fairly difficult. Run them at higher difficulties and they are some of the most difficult content in the game. Many of the Extreme Trials and Hard Mode Dungeon bosses can also slip into "Hard Difficulty".
Then, you get to "I want this to be as difficult as possible" difficulty modes. This content is few and far between because MOST PLAYERS never end up doing it. They aren't skilled enough, they're afraid of it, or they just don't care about the rewards. Extreme Raids. And... there's now also "Ultimates" that can be done as well. This content will push your poop back in, even if you know what you're doing. You need to have spent a long time learning it and experiencing it in order to conquer it. There's a reason the glowy weapons you can get from some of this content is so "attention grabbing". It immediately tells players, "I have cleared some of the hardest content in this game. I am the pinnacle of combat prowess".
This is Final Fantasy XIV. They come from a culture where "prowess" in a game is respected. That is, the devs live in a culture where most of their game players aspire to do difficult content for the "bragging rights". The other end of that is the players who just want to have a good time, and so stick with "casual" stuff. So, the easy stuff is easy and the hard stuff is EXCEPTIONALLY difficult. Games like WoW, on the other hand, are made by "western studios" who don't care about PERSONAL SKILL and only care about making something seem hard due to "it's frustrating". Hence, random mechanics.... random deaths... no decent consistency in content completion WITHOUT gear that allows players to "brute force" their way through the game. On and on. "Numbers go up" as difficulty in most western MMOs or MMO's designed around getting you to spend money (like Korean MMOs!). MMO's from areas like Japan and China tend to focus fairly heavily on "personal player skill" instead. As racist as it sounds, their playerbases are more akin to "Play a game as a test of honor". They want the recognition for being great at the game and not for just getting lucky or spending a lot of money in it.
But, that's the difference between something like FFXIV and WoW. One has properly scaled difficulty... the other is difficulty scaled by RNG, real money spending, and time spent in the game. This is why WoW's only REAL metric among the playerbase of "how good you are at the game" is your freakin' DPS. Because there's no other measure of "skill" in WoW EXCEPT how big your DPS is. Beating everyone in damage is the only thing they can shoot for to validate themselves.
It's so weird seeing what Quin is now. I remember watching his monk guides for Diablo 3 "back in the day" and he always seemed like such a chill dude. Now I see him popping up in rage compilations like a psycho, plus this whole thing, it's just like... dang, man. I guess he's making more money now, but he seems way angrier/on edge.
I'm not going to expect too much thoughtfulness from anybody with '69' in their handle.
Slight counterpoint, there's probably a small handful of people using it because it's their birth year or something.
...I mean, there's a 90+ year old Skyrim-playing lady, why not.
My lodestone username has a 69 in it :'(
@@someoneyoumightknow2795 nothing says you can't have 69 in your name, I'll just think slightly less of you because of it. 😉 Hopefully a random stranger thinking slightly less of you won't ruin your day. 😆
I just rerolled my character last weekend to be on the same data center as my friend. Now mind you my first toon has all MSQ story completed with everything unlocked and yet I am still enjoying know perfectly well where this is going and now finding joy of efficiency leveling my Jobs and DoLs while going through the content once again.
The way I say it is "the boost isn't for newbies to skip right to endgame, the boost is there for when you make your second character."
I just started Heavensward last night I personally really enjoyed a realm reborn I really don't understand why people boost the story is so good and the game has a really good learning curve which if you skip your basicly shooting yourself in the foot
This is the perfect way to play. Enjoy the journey. You had a great time with the base game, and all of the later content will be waiting for you. I hope that you enjoy Heavensward. It's one of my favorite FF storiee.
I feel like if he had just said it wasn't for him this wouldn't have been a situation. He did a vote while he was playing to see if his viewers would rather him quit or boost. I believe the majority said quit when he wasn't enjoying the game. It would have been better for him.
Instead he boosted, got dunked on by mechanics and gameplay he didn't understand, and ranted off a bad take about the game. His own bad time was his fault, not the games fault. Which why I think he got so much heat. Like you say Rui, it's ok to not enjoy the game.
Pretty sure the majority voted boost on that one.
@@ryno4ever433 Oh alright I thought saw differently.
@@ryno4ever433 no, the clip on his stream shows that 60% of the view told him to just quit the game.
@@lunadead Oh my bad I guess it was me who was wrong.
I want to share my experience getting back into Ff14 after 2 years break:
First off I deleted my old characters and decided to start fresh. I rushed parts of the ARR storyline over a couple days (roughly 4 days with me playing for about 14 hours each day lol), BUT I made sure I got the major story beats and went back and watch the cutscenes I did miss. Now that I am working on my grind through the pre heavensward questline and I am reading all the text and having a blast. Can't wait to finish that and get into the first expansion. 14 has been a lot of fun and a big reason for me getting so immersed is the story first approach the game has, anyways hope everyone who reads this has a good day and their duty finder queues are short.
Quin "WHERE ARE THE HEALS!?!" 69 is a disgrace
I started FFXIV three months ago, almost into Shadowbringers now but I'm taking a break from the MS quest because I found out about Return to Ivalice and have been working my way through that. Final Fantasy Tactics on the PS1 is one of my favorite PS1 games, and one of four PS1 games I owned when I was a kid. So I'm loving the Return to Ivalice stuff so far, the music along gives me major nostalgia. I feel like I wouldn't be enjoying the game as much if I just rushed through it the way I would do in WoW. And I love that I can level all the classes on a single character, cause I don't feel like I need to make an alt every time I want to try a new class.
Kind of a good idea you went to do the Return to Ivalice raids, as they are needed for the current relic weapons as well.
@@crystalgoddess4085 I did not know that, lol. Like I said, I'm a fan of Tactics and found out there was a quest series inspired by it.
Skips the game, then without any understanding of mechanics.
"I'm done with ff14, gave it my best shot".
What a clown lol.
Quinn
buys a book
opens the book
reads the book
the book is trash
Me have you read it page by page
Quinn no I skip and read the last part
It's Uncle Jesse from Full House who went back to high school, read literally the front and back page of a book and cried about his teacher calling him out on it.
...Only unlike this guy, Jesse actually learned.
Me: Why did you skip to the last part?
Quin: Cuse I had to read and I don’t like that
i am loving the game. the story is super deep and i feel like you form a connection with the characters and that makes the story feel deeper.
For wow people essentially what he did was he completed exiles reach, boosted, then tried to clear mythic dungeons with no knowledge of the game. Then he quit and says that the story and gameplay sucks cause i didn't teach him anything.
This explanation was needed
"When you see the Telemarker. Move out !"
Nah fam, im a Black Mage ! Healer Adjust !
I had this exact issue earlier today, when facing extreme Rathalos. Black mage kept standing in the AOEs and refused to move, during the phase when the healer cannot heal normally. Drove me absolutely mad, despite me and the tank repeatedly explaining the mechanics to them.
>pop superbolide
>remove Superbolide
“Healer! Asjust!”
they see manaward, well be fine!
Me and my friends joke around when we die in places were not supposed to be in and jokingly say “where are the heals!!”
in Qutintin's tweet: "Lack of RPG mechanics/Character customization"... compared to WoW?! Come the fuck on! That's just ridiculous!
Lack of RPG mechanics when talking about fucking *FINAL FANTASY* is very rich indeed.
@@UltimaKeyMaster As a former WoW player (briefly) and FFXIV player I honestly agree with this criticism. The only options you have for "build" in FFXIV are more of this stat, less of another. No notable or interesting choices at all. Sure, WoW has eviscerated it's build depth several times but at least there are some options to build your character!
@@dianauwu1312 FFXIV has "builds" AS the jobs, with drastically more class choice instead of fewer classes more builds per class.
@@blltsrrfrnd Yes, that's the complaint. Wow has 36 specs with 2-3 cookie cutter builds each, and half a dozen which are less competitive but more fun. FF has how many jobs? Discounting the profession jobs ofc. About 20? Each of them with zero variety. Not to bash on FF, but RPG element feels kind of stunted compared to WoW.
@@fare-5174 Honest question here, just how different are the classes/specs in WoW? Like, how differently do they play? I haven't touched the game since WoD, but I don't remember a lot of variety in the classes. Sure, they have different names for abilities and different flashy graphics, but from what I remember a lot of them were "mash these buttons as soon as they light up, hit these buttons when they're off cooldown, maybe spam one or two buttons to keep doing your basic attack"... I'm leaving off some nuance there, certainly, but I don't remember the game being much more complicated than that.
"Get a party for coils". Suffer like i did and do it all through duty finder
That's cruel and sadistic punishment.
@@TheMidWave It builds character
Didn't people point out that he doesn't even know his boosted job rotation?
As a sam main, it was painful to watch a fucking samurai do such a bad dps that it was like watching the equivalent of splashing a small bucket of water on a bushfire
@@darkmirror21 “I did it, I saved the world.”
Some idiot, after firing a squirt gun at a wildfire.
I'm 2 weeks on this video late but I was "told" the story picked up at HW so naturally, I rushed through the base game to get to HW fatser.
Problem was that a lot of aspects of the HW story are related to what happened in ARR. So I found myself watching/reading recaps to get a better grasp of the story on the things I missed in ARR.
Just finished HW and SB recently and watched the entirety of those. Glad I realized that soon enough before it was too late.
The story in this game is amazing
Quin never intended to give FF14 a chance. He only did what he did to stir drama.
Funny thing about that lead up to Titan, is that it doesn't just upset the players, it also upsets your character. There's points where you get visibly annoyed with your chain getting yanked around. But the game's own lore kind of builds on that. The Dark Knight story quests kind of lean into the whole 'hero that everyone takes advantage of' angle and reveals a bit of your own inner turmoil about being, at times, a glorified courier and pest exterminator and killer of people guilty of not toeing the line.
The suffering of ARR is a part of the lore.
The funny thing is apparently we're not the ONLY one that gets yanked around, other worlds 'Warriors of Light' suffer the same. Apparently Ardbert went through a very similar experience and is just as annoyed by it according to one of his dialogue responses (admittedly this might be the translation teams doing). It just seems like it's the WoL fate to suffer something like this at least once in their career.
He DID go about it the wrong way. It's perfectly ok to come out and say it. Should we care? Yeah that can be debated or whatever. But yeah... he DID go about the wrong way.
Love how the thumbnail looks like Alisaie is about to thwack him into the next area code.
I enjoyed ARR even before Heavensward. I played it way back when on my PS3 and honestly people today are so spoiled lol It used to take forever to level up and advance in the MSQ but it was a journey I will never forget.
I started playing during end of Heavensward on and off again and wanted to get to endgame since I had WoW mentality but quickly after seeing and engaging with the game I just enjoyed the game as I went and didn't really rush it and didn't let the endgame blind me and I loved it and still love it 1800 hours later ^^
He could have just said "this game's not for me," and that would have been the end of it. But somehow he felt compelled to tweet a short review after playing arguably less than 5% of the game, and not learning basics of jobs and mechanics.
Seems like IGN has found a potential new employee.
Hell. At least Dean Takahashi KNOWS he's shit at Cuphead and Doom. Quin meanwhile acts like he's the shit and falls flat on his face.
ARR is super rough to get through. Talk to an npc teleport talk to an npc teleport back talk to the same npc teleport talk to a npc teleport. Repeat over 80 times. Thankfully I powered through because this is a great game. But yeah the first 50 is super rough.
It really all boils down to ignorance. The man boosted which is fine, didn't like the game which is ALSO fine, but then made false statements about the game due to not knowing anything about the game due to him skipping most of the games content.
His claim: "It's due to the fact that I'm not huge into the lore... weeb aesthetic, slow clunky gameplay, lack of RPG mechanics/character customization and non-existent PvP."
So lets tackle these things one at a time.
Lore - He made it to sastasha which is level 15 and boosted right after beating that dungeon, which is roughly 5 or so hours into the game.
Weeb aesthetic - This is one of his only viable critiques of the game.
Slow clunky gameplay - He only felt this way due to not actually doing a proper run through the game. Learning to weave off global cooldowns and regular global cooldown skills is something you learn as you level up. This dude didn't know jack shit about the games combat system and it's entirely due to him skipping.
Lack of RPG mechanics - Like what exactly? Ffxiv is MORE of an rpg than wow is. In wow you aren't the focus of the story, you barely even matter at all. In ffxiv you are the main character. This game also has the holy trinity and the SAME style of combat as wow. I literally don't understand this comment.
Lack of Character customization - ... You boost all the way through all the content in the game and then complain that you've never unlocked any customization options? Are you fucking stupid? Doing content gets you armors and mounts and hairstyles and a shit load of unlocks, but skipping to the end of the game means you've done NONE of that. It's literally common sense.
Non-existent PvP - While there IS pvp and it DOES happen, it's not great. This is his second and only other viable critique of the game.
So if this man had simply said "It's due to the fact that I'm not into the weeb aesthetic and lack of pvp" not a single person would have been mad, but when he straight up lied to his followers about the game we love by making those false claims, that is why everyone exploded.
He just wanted something to hate and I have a feeling like some of the other commenters on this youtube video pointed out, that he skipped all of the cutscenes before hitting Satasha. And then he skipped to lv70.
Viable Critique, in terms of its aesthetic, is more Western European style. So technically, he's only half right. World of Warcraft is more of a weeb game now than FFXIV. The plot is utter feels like a Shonen Jump Anime in terms of consistency.
I have to agree with the PVP point in your comment. Since yeah, PVP is one of the lacking features in FFXIV.
@@ArmageddonEvil I think when someone makes the claim that ffxiv is a "weeb" game, they're specifically referring to making your characters look like prostitutes, while also being able to be a cat person or loli. They COULD also be talking about the art style but I don't really see ffxiv as having "anime" styled graphics so that probably isn't it.
@@WilliamHaist Or could just be talking about the enormous weeb community. Since there is an inner weeb inside of everyone. Just need to unlock it.
Though, I have a feeling Quin69 is a closet weeb. Asmongold's approach is actually much better than all those ragers on the internet that hate on a game because it's popular. lol
@Maveth The Reaper if you do not take your time to learn something, then you have no right to make claims about it.
It's really that simple. How does he know that the gameplay is slow if his entire experience with this game is getting to level 20, doing sastasha once, then skipping to the end of the game and doing a raid or 2 and then quitting the game?
Please explain.
There is no logic or reasoning here. He'd have had to try to play the game for a long enough period of time to actually KNOW what the games combat was like, as you don't simply pick up ffxiv's combat instantly like you would a normal tab target mmorpg because ffxiv's combat is skill based.
My statement was quite literally "you didn't play the game so you don't get a say", because that's the truth.
"Slow gameplay"- The game is very slow for a long time. This is how they choose to introduce you to the game and they keep it slow for a long, long time, and it still feels slow to new players despite them cutting down on ARR's length. This is the dev's team decision, blame them for it, don't blame people for thinking something that's slow is slow (and Square has a monetary incentive to keep it this way).
"Lack of RPG mechanics" - This is entirely true. This game has next to 0 character building. There are no paths within the jobs, and any existing customization options that you'd find in an RPG that existed was removed over time (stat allocation, cross-class skills). They've completely homogenized what little customization there was. There is a discussion to be had about how successful these systems ends up being, but that tends to matter most to the top-end of players. Materia, even, barely does anything compared to similar systems in games like Diablo.
"Lack of Character Customization" - I mean, it seems to go many ways but even FFXIV fans have complained about this even since the beginning of time. People were upset about the fact we never got a butt slider for whatever reason then they add pants that increase your butt size. Hrothgar and Viera were so half-assed that a lot of items don't even work on them. This game's customization is very hit or miss, glamour is about the only thing it has over other games, but it lacks in the fundamental features of your character (it's not the worst but it's not great for a premium game).
" Learned core class at a very basic level (was able to keep up with Lv80 experienced gamers when I was not sperging out)
- Tried & beat some trials/duties (yes including savage on minimum ilvl with no echo)
- Still found the game uninteresting and quit." - quin69
man literally boosted and learned how to press 3 buttons in succession
beat savage while literally being dead all the time and getting hard carried
and said the story was bad after skipping it
bruh at least make your reasons why you dislike it make sense
its fine if you dont like it but that was a terrible take to have
lowkey think he did it on porpuse to get some attention
I remember my first time doing Leviathan Extreme synced as I didn't know party finder was a thing. It was a fun experience honestly but I'll admit I wasn't fully using Gunbreaker to its maximum potential as I was still new to the class. Now, I can go in with my Gunbreaker and slap Leviathan around with ease. It's what I love about this game, the more you play, the more you learn how to be successful with the class you play
why play if you are going to boost really. I tried to play this game twice before and found it boring and too story heavy. You know what I did? I didn't play. Now I am at a place mentally where I feel like I can take my time and have really enojoyed taking the game slow and the story is really good. Some people are an exception to the rule but really I don't think it's worth it if you can't be patient with it.
I'm actually really thankful for the skip because I had an almost game breaking bug that CS couldn't or wouldn't help me with. Basically my game would crash half the time when I tried to summon retainers. I quit for a year decided to come back and delete my character and make a new one see if that fixed the bug I'd dealt with for almost a year before quitting. I am really thankful I was able to buy the skip and get close to the point I was at before as I didn't mind replaying the core story of my favorite expansion but as someone who had been playing since HW I may not have come back if the skip wasn't there.
The whole game is fun no BS! I love the old zones and stuff
Im on my 20th or so reroll...
I think i like ARR's levelling experience a bit too much...
It’s wonderful that even now there’s still plenty of people playing old content. You could easily find a party through duty finder for most dungeons.
Unpopular opinion but I got a boost after 50. Was getting bored of classes and story. Only boosted a class though (Scholar) not story, still skipped story manually. I researched what all classes did and said you know what that class (scholar) looks like it would keep me entertained. And I was right for once I had to think what I was doing and the challenge was finally there. Coming from being a raider in wow. I needed something more difficult to do. And its kept me playing even now. Yes I researched the class enough to know you dmg and heal and what rotation you have to do and you heals tier list or what to pick in what situation. So that I didn't hold anyone back in fact performing better than most.
However the only reason I didn't skip story was because the blue quests along the way needed to be unlocked bit by bit too. Content I was scared to miss if I was boosted, like dungeons unlocks and squadrons' which are cool.
I just thought it dumb I have to level a class I don't want to play to play my healer class first.
I like how so many people are shocked about Asmongold enjoying hard content. He used to do guides on how to minmax your damage on Warrior for 2-3 expansions, with the tip of "if this and this fails, "accidentally" die or wipe the raid". He knows how to minmax and the WoW Mage Tower was his fav bit of content of all time.
The faster you realize Asmongold is an entertainer at this point the better off you'll be, i assure you he doesnt enjoy the slow, clunky, outdated gameplay that 14 is......He does however enjoy seeing the millions he's gonna make streaming it for now....He wont play it again once the bloated hype goes away
@@Ugoofy1 Cope harder.
FFXIV is a game that cannot be approached from the "I inherited all of this from my parents and now I'm the CEO" mentality. You kinda have to start from the bottom and work your way up to really appreciate it.
I think what people who haven’t played the game forget they order to which skills are learned are for a reason. It introduces the rotation but that meathead just decided to smash buttons and get mad. Like watching a person at an arcade fighter pressing everything hoping they win.
Shit, as a wow and FF player id laugh at him too if he boosted in wow as well then said he has no idea what's going on. BOOST IS FOR ALTS
And ive come to the conclusion that he was just trolling, there is NO way someone can be that stupid to ask TWITCH chat for the highest dps easiest class to play for endgame to boost
I mean...he walked into endgame with no experience and not knowing how to play his job, died to avoidable damage, got outdps'd by a tank, and then read the dps meter wrong and claimed he was keeping up with the vets, so... Idk, I'd buy him being that dumb.
I think he is just very smooth brained
Did he really ask what class easiest do play in Endgame ? With Dragoon people obviously were joking about x) oh my godness i saw this disaster here on youtube video. he didnt do highest DPS he was Highest Groundsleeper of all time, highest AOE eater at all time, and a very professional Edgelord
@@katsu9582 didn't he even skipped a sam?
@@darkmirror21 from what ive read yes sam too, but he wasnt playing sam in Shinryu
I'm playing about 2 months and yesterday I literally set on foot in stormblood, and very often I get lost farming foundation or doing dungeons u synced for glamours, it's an amazing game no reasons to rush anything.
11:16 not only did he not care about the story, but he became part of the top 1% (or even lower) that clears pretty much all Ultimates, and did that without paying attention to the story and became rank 1 tank a few times!
He should be the poster boy for people that aren't really into stories and just want to raid or do difficult/challenging stuff in FFXIV, but the sad thing is, even if he's part of the 1% that actually understand the games mechanics to an insane level, the comunity still hates him for not caring about the story... In my opinion, that's reaaally dumb!!!
The dude literally plays and understand the game better than 99% of the player base, and still gets hate for not caring about the story and only focusing on gameplay... It's pretty absurd to me honestly and it shows that the community has some way to go still.
Kind of sad because if you have questions about raiding or tanking. He takes a lot of time to answer stuff on his twitch channel and mentor people.
The guy didn't buy a jump potions, he played the game 1-80 and skipped the story as much as he could. He also did watch some of the cut scenes as well. It just did not have the same impact it did on others.
In short, Lynx's personality is probably by far bit better than let's say Xenovex. At least you're not going to hear him rage over a mis-heal. I think the overall fear is that Lynx's mindset will take hold as the primary mindset for the game hence the hate.
Lynx's really good if you want to get into raiding or want to become a tank main and that's pretty much it, which is absolutely not a bad thing tbh. He probably has one of the best content in those two field and his input on the game is actually really interesting since he does kinda represent the hardcore raiding community. Kinda sad to read that he gets hate from the community while he is a really good content creator. I restarted playing less than two months ago, and his videos helped me immensely in being a tank main.
@@Some2somewhere yeah, just watch his video called *The FFXIV Community Has a BIG Problem | Asmongold VS The FFXIV Community* and look at the ammount of dislikes and also read the comment section... It's pretty absurd, and that video was made last year with a bunch of fair points! Waaaay before this hype started.
Me: as my Dragoon or Paladin. Marker comes up I can't get out fast enough and get hit.
The whole tale pretty much sound like the time LazyPeon just wanted to trash the game. Same mistakes done even.
The way the ARR story is told is so outdated and weird and drives many new players away that comes from other mmorpgs. I personally kept pushing trough it and I liked it but Peon wasnt wrong in alot of things. The story being locked into dungeons that takes 20-30 minutes at best to get into as a dps. 5-10% being voice acted and rest of it being completely silent still with mouths moving, it just feels weird like they forgot to add the voice acting. If Swtor can voice act everything and Eso and so on I don't see why a story heavy game like FFxiv can't add it. It would just be a mayor improvement to the game.
Well, here's the thing about people that boost without learning mechanics or jobs. It's frustrating for other players they end up playing with. Especially when it causes wipes.
imagine playing final fantasy game, then pay to skip to post story
SE sees folks like that who pay for boosts, play for a day, and quit, and just says “Thank you for supporting our game.”
Imagine developing a story-based game and then putting resources into letting people skip the story.
@@sequences8942 That’s pretty common, actually…most western companies do that nowadays.
@@maxspecs It's weird you say that because the idea was first really common in eastern MMO's that were typically free to play in the early 2000's.
Not sure why you think I don't know this. I guess you're implying something.
@@sequences8942 As mentioned, Squenix gets money if someone boosts past the story because the early game bores them. They don't if they play until the end of the free trial and decide to not move on with a regular subscription despite playing the game for a much longer period of time. One might even say they manufacture the early game boredom (compared to what happens later) in order to get people who want to just skip to the good stuff to be more willing to shell out for it. That might not be entirely the intent, since it does meaningfully set up the rest of the story, but it makes good business sense too.
Me and my cousin took a break from the msq during the heavensward patch content to do Alexander and it was some of the most fun I've had in the game. I have like 10 days play time and I'm only just starting storm blood. The only issue I see with the early game is the fact that the jobs feel sort of incomplete before their current iteration. Like gunbreaker and warrior both need level 72 before their aoe and meter work properly together. I think level 60-80 is such an important part of the jobs identity that it makes you want to get there sooner
Although i agree that the jobs feel like a drag for the first 40-50 levels, but evidently there's a point to it, since boosting makes you not understand a thing lol
To me, it seems WOW has corrupted his mind and he is unable to actually play a game without instant gratification. Unable to take their time and play it slowly at their own pace like how a game should be.
I hate this mentality. I prefer FFXIV but why does every goddamn FFXIV player need to shit on people who don't want to take their time, and hate the lengthy story and cutscenes. It's not being impatient, it's wanting the game to respect your time and what you enjoy from an MMORPG.
A tip for those who are first time queuing for any new alliance or content they unlock, . If you can, always queue at your Data Centre reset time or the time when you know people will be doing their Daily Roulette. DR is also serve as filler for people who queued specific content so pick your queue time help a lot.
Thing is, getting through the story to shadowbringers isn't even that long. I took my time (and I had faster queues because I main scholar) and I got to shadowbringers in about a month, and that was with doing side content.
You must have played like 8 hours a day then.
@@ryno4ever433 this was last year. I have a bad habit of overworking myself. I draw a lot or work on long projects and I end up working morning till midnight. So the next day I'm super tired and I just play video games.
I actually just finished patch 5.5 and when I got to the credits I saw all the cool scion art and got inspired toake my own.
A month is also just about 29 days faster than getting to end game in WoW f.ex. lol
Personally, I loved every moment of my journey through ARR. I started before they did the 'ARR Streamline' update, and replaying through ARR on an alt I'm sitting here like 'Wait.. Where'd that one quest go? Didn't I have to do more??' So it's fun all over again for me~
FFXIV was my first FF game, so I ate up every bit if dialog, every side quest, and I really felt like I was going on an epic adventure- with friends!
I completely agree that it's a good thing that not everyone likes the game, and it's perfectly valid for people to have their own reasons why they don't like it. I do feel a little sad when a friend tells me that they didn't feel like FFXIV was their kind of game though 😅
Good video, thank you for the upload!
As someone who just got to Heavensward, I do want to say that even when taking my time, ARR was extremely boring and most of the missions and text felt pointless. There were multiple moments where I had to take a long break from the game cuz it really wasn’t clicking. Had I not been tipped that the game gets better in HW onwards, I probably would have quit. But so far, just based off if the end of ARR and the beginning of HW, stuff’s got a whole lot more interesting and I’m quite looking forward to continuing.
I've been playing every day for almost 3 months and still only just starting Stormblood lmao. Still loving every minute!
The problem with how Quinn handled it was absolutely ridiculous. If your not a story guy, your not a story guy. That's fine. But don't say a game sucks just because you have no understanding about where you are in the game when you paid to boost, how to play your class when actually playing the game in it's early stages would have at least gave you basics, but paid to boost a class instead. And then skip the story when yes, complain as you wish, but is actually integral to the game since before being an MMO, FFXIV is an RPG.
I think he was just hoping on the XIV trend train and was expecting tons of people to watch and sub to him. Without understanding the audience he was getting himself involved with, he literally put himself on an open pyre by boosting. He can experience the game anyway he wants to, that's no lie. But when you decide to boost, you automatically invalidate the value of your opinion because you didn't take the time to play the game. If he chose to go back and do it later via new game plus, that would have been okay. But he didn't.
Even for someone who doesn’t like reading i am still enjoying this game for its aesthetic, community, and art style. I skip a lot of the text cutscenes, but i love to sit and listen to the dubbed ones. If i could somehow have the text cutscenes be text to speech i would probably start listening to those too.
Even I got bored with the story in the beginning but I loved the rest of it I'm still only like lvl 30 but I'm still playing the msq and still enjoying myself and skipping any cutscenes that bore me too badly like pointless ones with little dialog that doesn't really have a point, but I pay attention to the voiced ones and important ones and I'm having a decent time even though I don't care for story in games.
I kinda of agreed what you said about not rushing and see learning guides and enjoy the CS cause in ffxiv some part so touching and heart breaking too
The major disconnected I believe is that FFXIV is a RPG first and MMO second, while WoW is the opposite. In a RPG the story is the focus, in a MMO current content is the focus.
(Warning: This is something of a small essay. Read at your own discretion.) I began playing WoW in 2005 and in 2006 I joined a PUG UBRS run. UBRS was basically a raid that was designed like a normal dungeon, but with twice the party size. It was basically where you learned the basics of raiding before moving on to actual raids. And it turned into a complete disaster. The raid leader didn't know what he was doing, didn't give any directions, didn't know any of the boss tactics (And there weren't that many) and when it came to looting the second boss, he asked the raid if it was okay for him to take an epic shoulder drop.
Considering his poor performance, nobody was having it. In fact, we were all pretty angry because our gear had become so damaged that we'd lost more than we gained from the run, due to the mistakes he kept making. And then he panicked, started apologizing profusely to everyone and handing out loot randomly to people with no idea how to properly distribute it. And that's how I, a warrior, ended up with a ring for magic casters. What quickly became obvious was that this was a guy who had never played the game before in his life. And that the reason he had a high level character with decent gear was because he had bought an account on E-Bay.
The impression I got is that this was someone whose friends had recommended the game to him and gotten him really excited from all the times they talked about how fun raiding was. But he probably also didn't have a very high self esteem and thought that if he just had a high level character from the start, it would make it easier to play the game.
In all honesty, I hope he didn't quit playing. I hope after he recovered from what I'm sure was a horrible experience, he decided to create a new character and play the game from scratch, joined a good guild that helped him learn how to play, boosted his self-esteem and that he had many years of fun back when the game really was good. And then I hope he sold all the gear on the character he bought, deleted it and used the gold to pay back his friends for the times they helped him cover the mount training fees.
He really didn't seem like a bad guy. Just someone who wanted to have fun the same way his friends did and didn't want to wait to have the same joyful experience.
The situation with Quin gives me similar vibes, but in a different way. From what I've seen of his time in FFXIV, Quin came across as the sort of person who wanted to skip straight to end game raiding because that's what he enjoys in WoW, but was so sure of his abilities as an MMO gamer that he didn't think he'd need to learn how to play his class. And instead of apologizing when he made mistakes decided to blame the everyone and everything except himself.
Here's the deal. The guy was playing the game the normal way. Until he saw Amongold doing the level 50 raid/trials content. He instantly got boosted to do the same shit to get the viewers Amon had. its that simple.
I remember watching a clip he got hit by 3 aoes in the span of a second then he blamed the healers. As a healer main I don't mind being blamed when I mess up but when its your fault from getting hit by 3 aoes and not knowing how you died then blaming me cause you were too oblivious to even see what hit you that just made my skin itch.
regarding ARR I think some people think ARR bad due to it is a bit slow to get you out of the "training wheels" phase. I feel up to titan everything feels slow and hand held and still world building. but after titan it is like ok you are someone important now things are more than you are just some adventurer and forces of good and evil have their eyes on you.
Seems to me Quin thought he was going to scoop up Asmon/Bellular's viewership who don't want to watch FFXIV content by saying "I tried it and this game sux!! Come hear me bitch about weeb game!!", only to find more people than expected saw through his shallow efforts and were willing to call him out on it. I'm not a big fan of FFIX atm (level 40 warrior, tanking is very easy and progressing the main story is a slog through filler quests), so I agree it's not for everyone but you can't boost through learning how the game works then complain about mechanics.
Brooo id stop playing if i was doing warrior too xD shits a snoozefest for me. If PLD, and DRK werent a thing id probably not enjoy the game as much as i do. Id love an action version of this game tho. Tab targetting is not my thing but it is what it is
Yeah WAR sucks until around 52-54, after that it starts to shine. And at 76 nothing beats it in trash pulls! It's an immortal aoe damage god!
@@davidwilliams3271 bro this game is so nuts. We all experiencing the same stuff but come out with completely different experiences. I love it.
@@degenxayah Hey, nothing like going into an 80 dungeon and making the healer feel useless! PLD can do the same but when they use clemency healers just get insulted and mad lol. DRK as much as I love the best midigation skill, it's invul pisses me the main tank off. Oh and poor GNB with all the self hate, harming themselves just to give healers heart attacks is a no no! That being said as someone who only plays tanks after leveling everything to cap. I love all tanks for different reasons. War is my go to dungeon job. PLD is my story and OT job. DRK my MT job. GNB my farming job for the extra dps.
@@davidwilliams3271 PLD was my first love. I started as BLM 2 years back but ive never really liked magic but it was the closest thing to a necromancer with their "we learnt magic from doing funerals" backstory. Im a stereotypical metal/punk head so i love vampirism, undead and demons and never tanked before. I forget what exactly made me pick up tanking for the first time in my life but im glad i did. Tanking in FF is so enjoyable and DRK is the closest ill get to a "vamp" class in this game with their BLOOD gauge and siphoning the health and mana from their enemies so thats what i play and i thoroughly enjoy how it plays too. Still havent gotten one of my 20 characters to a dungeon where i can use TBN outside of PvP and im worried cus reactively using defensives is something i struggle with, especially being a ranged main from LoL but its fun to tank in FF. You feel more a part of the experience in low level content. As a thaumaturge id get one or two spells off on adds before the group burned the mobs and i felt useless. now im always an active participant
What i love about the game is that there is something for everyone to love. I might not like a class but somebody will LOVE it and everything will be balanced. FF rules
I played ff14 about 2 years ago and had the same mindset as quin, the same mindset that wow caters to. "Getting to the end, and that's when the REAL gameplay starts", I skipped most if not all of the cutscenes playing through up until before havensword, had the same opinions as him, and quit. I eventually went back to wow during the shadowlands release and was ultimately disappointed in the lack of content, and then decided to give FF another shot. I've been playing it non stop since then and absolutely loving every moment of time I spend in it. and it REALLY helped when I stopped thinking of it to be similar to wow, and more of a legitimate story driven RPG
He actively trolled and attacked the FFXIV community from the 1st minute (weeb game, tank and spank, too easy, etc.), this just not "liking" the game. Later I discovered that this is a thing he does as part of his show.
I went in wanting to get to Shadowbringers asap, but I knew if I skipped I’d have no idea what was going on, so I played through and enjoyed every minute of it.
The current problem is... FFIX presented as WoW killer. And people move to FF thinking it's just wow that's better, but it's not. It's different game and their expectations are wrong. FF is beautiful, chill, atmospheric game. But i wont be playing it, because that's not what i currently want.
And you should think for streamers as well. How much people everyday asks them to play FF. Even if he doesnt want to - it's better to just start the game, fk everything up and go "eh, i tried, didnt liked" so people will stop asking them to play the game, they didnt want to play to begin with.
And yes, FF community is quite defensive about the game. There is no PvP. The combat is old, like lineage 2 ages old. Effects are WAY too flashy. The world is confusing for western players. And i'm sure there are plenty more.
FFIX is amazing game, but not perfect. Ruri said it well - WoW making game for everyone, ending up making for noone. And these everyone now trying to squeeze themselves into FF, even if they dont belong there, just because it "trend"
Give it a year, a honeymoon phase will be over and people will leave. Just like with Classic WoW. It's still will introduce FF to many players that will enjoy and play game further. But majority will leave and either come back to WoW, or Lost Ark, or New World, or any other new MMORPG that coming out soon. Unless blizzard release Diablo IV and get players back on money hook.
P.S. about old content being obsolete. It's easy to say, when FF has 4 expansions vs WoW's 8 expansion. Pretty hard to make twice as much of a content relevant without spreading players as butter across massive loaf of bread
While I agree with you to some extent about the scopes of the games being very different, wow is much larger, I disagree because wow has never even attempted to make old content relevant at all. In fact it has gotten worse as the expansions have come out. It started in wrath with even patches making older content obsolete. I skipped most of ulduar, came back at the launch of ICC and was raid ready in just a couple weeks with badge gear. I never even had to set foot in ulduar. Time walking exists but thats about all it does. So I do agree that going back and rebalancing fights from old content wouldn't be worth the time or energy for blizzard at this point, seeing as gameplay amongst classes is completely different. I disagree on the size argument bc wow has always made old content obsolete, even moving into the tbc it negated any reason to run level 60 dungeons or raids. The green gear was better and the xp at level 58 in outlands was far superior
@@TitusAndromadon well, first of all - old content is relevant via collectable items. Transmog, mounts, toys, achievements. You can see quite a few groups in groups finder for old raids. Even tho most of them are soloable - people still gathering groups to do the achievements with certain mounts.
And when in shadowlands they squished levels - old content became harder, we couldnt even do Dazaralor as full raid of lvl 60 because of that. People were complaining that they no longer able to solo old content. So if you make old content relevant and force people to do it in group - they will be upset "oh no i now have to gather party of noobs to do raid to get one item, what is this bs"
Second of all - old content is massive. Again, 4 expansion vs 8. So you cant level throughout entire WoW history in reasonable amount of time. And previously as you were leveling - you could do dungeons of those expansions (classic - wotkl+tbc - pandaria+cata - draenor+legion - bfa). And queues werent that bad, a lot of people were doing dungeons instead of leveling.
Third - in bfa they added feature, called "Synchronization". So no matter what level you are, you can come to your leveling friend, sync with him, and you downscaled to his level and synced with his quests and his world. And if you want to level only in older content - you can just sync with someone of that level and play those zones that you want. You will get xp and you will lvl up without the need to do latest content. Like i can take my lvl 50 character, go to Elvynn forest, sync with someone who has lvl 10-20 (or just start second game in background) and here you go, i can level 50-60 in that zone.
Fourth - they made timewalking Chromie expansions in shadowlands. So you can level throughout one expansion. Go in lvl 10, Go out lvl 50. And just be doing main story quests. Just like FF. Without need of doing sidequests. (well, for the most part. I think only Legion you can level by only story. In bfa you cant even finish story before you hit lvl 50, but still it's close to lvl 50 by doing only story). Yes you, once again, cant do entire WoW while leveling, but that's even better. If i want to make an alt - i can experience different story. That's why i prefer leveling in bfa to shadowlands.
And, obviously, timewalking events. Not only dungeons, but old raids as well. So there 100% were attempts. It's just not that easy to make correctly. WoW is competitive game of minmaxers. They pursue BiS, max ilvl, top trinkets for their classes and etc. How you gonna balance 8 expansions worth of loot to be relevant in current state of the game? How you gonna solve the problem of "i need to do this exact dungeon for this exact item, but because all content is relevant - it will take me ages before i can find group for this exact dungeon".
And even if you make old content relevant and to give you currency you can use to buy items - you will face the problem of "i dont feel rewards from killing boss if i just get currency that can use to buy stuff with". Some loot has it's own unique quirks. Maybe extra dmg on weapon with certain element, because it drops from someone, who is using that element. And thus game loses even more of it's "loot is tied to bosses" component of game.
WoW is massive game. With massive game comes massive audience. With massive audience comes different opinions. And you cant satisfy them all. That's why most people think FFIX succeeded. Not because it does everything right. But because it has audience that came to this game with similar opinions and want similar things that easier to satisfy
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Well said. I've always felt similar, if you hate the early game it's highly possible you won't enjoy doing that same exact gameplay for 120+ hours, regardless of how "good" it gets. Kudos if you enjoy boosting past the story but I wouldn't recommend it without giving it a fair shot first.
I do admit I rushed with leveling because a friend made a bet with me, but the story resonated heavily with me. Even with ARR, coming to it as a roleplayer from WoW gave me SO much more to sink my teeth into. I've never enjoyed doing content or dungeons in WoW, but in FFXIV it's a complete delight. It is a shame that people don't take their time to learn and experience things, since ARR did a very good job at getting me used to some of the mechanics and my role. I can see why people would dislike doing it a second time, though!
Hell, I should buy a WoW boost and talk shit about WoW the same way this guy tried to shit on FFXIV.
Thing is, I would probably be more accurate in my assholery than he was.
The main story of ARR is really good, the issue I personally had was with the after story quests between ARR and Heavensward, it felt like it took absolutely forever and when I was finally done, turns out you have to do the entirety of the Crystal Tower series. I know it's been streamlined time and time again but goddamn it felt like a chore.
I just got to level 25 on my first character. I'm having a blast going at a nice slow pace!
I don't get why people think RR is boring Im enjoying myself even on the trial lol
I've just been doing other things in the game besides the main quest for the past few weeks, I wish I started playing this game years ago!
I have no idea who Quin is. Probably never will.
As a regular guy, I tend to ignore anyone's opinion where they don't explain why they have it. "This game is fantastic" needs some details. "This game is garbage" needs some details. If you can't tell me EXACTLY why you like a game or hate it... your opinion isn't valid. Pretty much anyone and everyone can tell you why they like or hate something. Fairly easily, in fact.
Judging by the tweets I'm reading here... He doesn't elaborate on his opinion at all. Granted, this is twitter with it's limits... But he makes several posts a day, looks like, and he can't just elaborate on his opinion with repeated posts? Or make a UA-cam video to cite examples of why he hates things?
What I'm seeing here is just a lot of "not qualified" opinions. That is to say... opinions he holds with no reason to hold them. "Combat is not engaging". Okay, why not? I can even cite some reasons why it might not be. Early level with very few skills, that 2.5 GCD feels LONG. Because you have so few skills at your disposal, combat has to be fairly simple with very few mechanics. Later on, as you get more skills and approach Level 50, you realize why this is the way it is. Namely, to give you time to acclimate to EVERY SKILL YOU HAVE. That is, time to test them all out, time to read all their tooltips, time to try to figure out "good rotations" with everything you have. Baseline skills up to Level 30 teach you how the class is supposed to play. Gives you the overall "feeling". It also gives you the first "rotation" you are likely to have once you hit Level 30. This, inevitably, paves the way into giving you more skills so that you can adopt longer rotations or dual weaving. Complexity moves up from there with every class as a result. Another reason "combat isn't engaging" is likely to be that pretty much all story related content is for casuals. It's designed to be gotten through quickly, easily, and by ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE with minimum issue (heck, if you fail an MSQ combat mission, the game immediately asks if you would like to put it to Very Easy!). Difficulty doesn't really ramp up until you hit Level 50 and begin unlocking "Hard" Trials/Dungeons and the Raids. The higher level you get, the more difficult the content gets. The more mechanics in play. The more overlapping mechanics in play. To the point that you actually have to watch for a casting bar on the bosses or look for environmental cues OTHER than big orange circles on the ground.
The last reason combat might not be engaging... even at higher levels... is he ended up in groups that "carried him". That is, he was a sole sprout in a group of experienced players who knew what to do and it didn't matter if he actually died (if he was playing as DPS... yeah, it's very likely the thing could've been completed without him contributing much at all... unless he was approaching Level 70+ content).
Those are my guesses because he doesn't elaborate on this opinion.
Same issue with story, it looks like. "Didn't like story". Okay, what about it didn't you like? I can tell you, from personal experience, that in ARR it often feels exceptionally tedious. There are places in every expansion where you just have "tedious quests". Go here, talk to a person, run across the entire map, talk to another person, quest over. Nothing super interesting learned about the Lore or the Characters. Nothing to pique emotional investment. This is a huge problem in ARR, but it gets better with each expansion and "slowly goes away" or at least minimizes the deeper into the actual story you get. The other issue with the story is that without proper context for some things (like everything in ARR), you will be scratching your head on what is going on and it will be difficult to become invested. This is likely why in HW they shifted from "worldbuilding" to "developing Alphinaud as a character" in terms of direction. HW is basically entirely character pieces and minimal Lore and Worldbuilding in order to get the player far more invested in the events, even if they don't have the context for them. Each further expansion does this more and more. But, sidequests, by and large, remain basically XP/Gil pinatas. Simple stories, you probably won't really care about them, but you use them to get XP, Equipment, Items, and Money. You don't even have to complete a single Sidequest in the game if you don't want to. I know I really didn't. Saved them all for Alt Jobs and helping to level those. I missed out on nothing of import.
But, we'll never know because he didn't elaborate on why "Story wasn't good".
"Can't customize characters" is another one. You can customize them. Or... was he looking for a massive character creator thing at the beginning? I'm not sure what he was looking for. No elaboration. There's a ton of armor, dyes, and hairstyles in the game you can unlock and earn. Not good enough? I can absolutely agree. I want the glam system from Guild Wars 2 instead. But, there's still a lot here. Maybe his problem about lack of customization could've been solved had he voiced what about customization he didn't like and didn't think was "good enough". We'll never know.
Pretty much every single complaint he has here isn't elaborated on. It's just, "I don't like this, I thought it was bad, I'm too lazy too elaborate".
People who are unable to elaborate on why they like or dislike something are often people who have gone in with "already formed opinions". Namely, they didn't form their own opinion... they borrowed it from someone else. Or, they're holding preconceived notions as fact. They can't tell you why they like or dislike something because they simply decided they would like it or dislike it BEFORE ever engaging with it.
This is why I tend to ignore anyone's opinion on something if they can't elaborate on why they have it. They tend to be parroting someone else's opinion or some preconceived notion about it without having given it a fair chance.
It wasn't even an issue of not taking his time. It's the fact that he set out with a transparent agenda and he never had ANY intention whatsoever of an honest or legitimate try of the game. He went in with the position "I hate this game" and his only reason for this stunt was so he could pretend to have played it so he could then be "justified" in screaming about it and appeal to a particular subset of the WoW audience that he hoped to draw in.
His agenda was just SO transparent that everybody saw what he was doing and it caused the backlash it did.
Coming from The Secret World, I had zero trouble with the telegraphs. There's a lot you can say about The Secret World's combat, but its telegraphing was tight.
For me something similar happened, the first time I tried the game I rushed only to unlock dancer. Missed big part of the game. Right now I’m back from 0 taking my time