Absolutely fantastic documentary, loved it. Saw the movie 3 times when it came out in summer 1980, I was 12 and trust me it made me a huge WOW everytime I watched it, couldn't get enough of it. The golden time of sfx.
That troop transport with the big gun attached never gets any screen time, but I've seen that before in a production still with mark hamill and him holding the gun pointing in his flight suit. Very cool prop, so cool to see it get used in this archival footage! Thanks for posting
Star Trek TMP should have won for best VFX for 1979 films NOT Alien. Alien should have won for best ART DIRECTION!!! The miniature work in Alien was AVERAGE at best with a shallow depth of field of miniature photography that betrays the size of the miniatures. Alien miniature effects were on par with Space: 1999, which is average to below average at best.
P.S. Johnson had nothing DIRECTLY to do with the miniature effects in Empire. He helped oversee everything, more as an SPFX administrator--including mechanical effects and physical effects, but it was the brilliant Richard Edlund - along with Dennis Muren - and the brilliant stop-motion animator Phil Tippet, who were really responsible for the miniature effects in Empire--not Brian Johnson....
Personally, as a prop/armour-maker myself, I like the fact that the 'identical' props in varying scales are far from identical, but this doesn't matter as I didn't notice in 1977 and nor would anyone notice in 2020... providing one thing is absolutely watertight... your STORY! Great upload thanks you and may the Force be with you all this new Year... a New year = A new Hope!
Artistic creativity. The crap they make today is visually appealing, but to those who truly appreciate the art of movie making, films today don’t measure up.
So i always thought that the speeder from Lego Star Wars 8083 set was made up by Lego, but apparently it's a real thing from the movie production, it just didn't make it to the final cut. You can see it at 2:08
That’s so nice, one reason why we all fall in the original version ( which Winn the oscars) of sound and effects and not the dam shit which come later. It’s Like children game play.
Geez I like the ESB movie even more now. Anyone else think CGI makes the movies seem less real and more like animation these days? The models made the movies seem more real
There are instances of CGI in films today where it’s used so sparingly that you’d be hard-pressed to notice it, but there are also scenes which make heavy use of CGI where it’s application is obvious. There are cases where miniatures and other practical effects look much more real than CGI (a good more modern example being the Batmobile in “Batman Begins”, for instance), and cases where it’s much more subjective, because neither the CGI nor practical effects look perfectly real, but each looks more real in different ways. I tend to favor the look of practical effects whenever possible, but acknowledge that there are many instances where CGI makes things possible that otherwise simply wouldn’t be (the aliens in “The Edge of Tomorrow” come to mind). I will say that Lucas’s edits to the original trilogy are incredibly distracting in my opinion, and the CGI looks very primitive and obvious, making the whole thing worse. I also find it almost disrespectful to all those that worked so hard on the original effects back in 1977, 1980, and 1983 respectively. To any who share my sentiments, I recommend checking out “The Star Wars Trilogy” forum
So easy to write : "Giant mechanical quadrupeds attack a rebel base on a snow planet. A battle ensues." Producer : "How the hell are going to do THAT?!!" ... 2 years, a few million dollars, and several failed marriages later... "Congratulations everybody, you've just made movie history!"
Technically you are right but if you remember the line about difficulty adapting them to the cold? Seems strange to have difficulties adapting a Snowspeeder to the cold. I think that might be an oops. Either that or it’s a really rubbish Snowspeeder which Hoth is too cold for. Or it’s a Landspeeder adapted to the cold with difficulty and as such is so different from the original vehicle that it is now designated by the name Snowspeeder. Or Snowspeeder is the name used to differentiate adapted Landspeeders so unadapted ones are not used accidentally.
Yes! Lucas was a fan of S99, and tried to hire Johnson. But Ridley Scott’s group snagged him for “Alien” so he wasn’t available ro Lucas until the second “Star Wars.”
@@JordanOrlando Lucas was not a fan of Space 1999. Space 1999 had below-par miniature effects with crappy shallow depth of field miniature work. In early 1975, Lucas wanted to assemble a group of experienced effects people to work with Dykstra, or Doug Trumbull (whoever would agree to the project-it was Dykstra) to create a NEW effects company with new technology. Johnson would have served in the same capacity in A New Hope as John Stears actually did in that film -mechanical and physical effects-that's what he really contributed in Empire, and overseeing all departments. He had no knowledge of motion control technology. And Ridley Scott did not snatch him up from Lucas!!! Star Wars SPFX was shot around the same time as Space:1999 2nd season ( mostly 1976) and Johnson was probably contractually obligated to finish his work on that project. Alien SPFX miniature photography (which were below par-not the art direction-there's a difference) was shot mostly 1978. No conflict. Then Johnson moved onto Empire.
John-Paul Nagel , yes but they were still using computers for the camera controls system. Without those, what we would consider crude computers in today’s standards, they wouldn’t be able to make to complex camera moves.
@@Bandido894 He said they look as "big" as camels, not "like" (which they do in a way). What I'm saying is how is it that they look as "big as camels" when it's obvious much smaller snowspeeders are flying around them? The movie makes it obvious that these things are huge, so there's no mistaking they're the size of actual camels. :)
he sound quality of the interview is so poor. Couldn't they have found a silent place without so much noise? Specially being the II part, and already clear this was a historical movie and this footage about the FX was crucial and for the future wer are now.
+Brandon Hanson , ya know, I grew up calling them snow speeders as well but, there is a line in the movie explaining they have yet to be "configured" for snow opts (or something of the sort) suggesting they are used over various land terrain. Watch it again, before Han goes out to look for Luke. :)
As well as the cameras, film, microphones, recording devices, the light bulb, electricity, electric motors, plastics, internal combustion engines, indoor plumbing, concrete, steel, radio, telephones, computers, refrigeration, modern agriculture, modern medicine, the X-ray, mass production, democracy, and freedom of speech.... just to name a few. Oh, and I almost forgot; eradicated the institution of slavery from the face of the Earth. But you'll never hear about THAT from the media.
Absolutely fantastic documentary, loved it. Saw the movie 3 times when it came out in summer 1980, I was 12 and trust me it made me a huge WOW everytime I watched it, couldn't get enough of it. The golden time of sfx.
Lots of quick shots of vehicles which were not shown in the movie. How cool!!
That troop transport with the big gun attached never gets any screen time, but I've seen that before in a production still with mark hamill and him holding the gun pointing in his flight suit. Very cool prop, so cool to see it get used in this archival footage! Thanks for posting
I'd love to hear why the shots it was in were cut. Maybe it moved a bit too slow and clunky?
The legend that is Brian Johnson
Star Trek TMP should have won for best VFX for 1979 films NOT Alien. Alien should have won for best ART DIRECTION!!! The miniature work in Alien was AVERAGE at best with a shallow depth of field of miniature photography that betrays the size of the miniatures. Alien miniature effects were on par with Space: 1999, which is average to below average at best.
P.S. Johnson had nothing DIRECTLY to do with the miniature effects in Empire. He helped oversee everything, more as an SPFX administrator--including mechanical effects and physical effects, but it was the brilliant Richard Edlund - along with Dennis Muren - and the brilliant stop-motion animator Phil Tippet, who were really responsible for the miniature effects in Empire--not Brian Johnson....
2:08 I have a lego set with that vehicle. I never knew it was actually in the film, I thought lego just made it up for the battle pack. But wow.
Ralph Macquarie is truly the co-visionary unsung hero of the SWs universe.
You actually have to be unsung to be unsung...
Personally, as a prop/armour-maker myself, I like the fact that the 'identical' props in varying scales are far from identical, but this doesn't matter as I didn't notice in 1977 and nor would anyone notice in 2020... providing one thing is absolutely watertight... your STORY! Great upload thanks you and may the Force be with you all this new Year... a New year = A new Hope!
1:29 Legend has it he was the very last Cowboy.
Artistic creativity. The crap they make today is visually appealing, but to those who truly appreciate the art of movie making, films today don’t measure up.
Did you know there are computer effects in every movie made today ?
That's why modern films look like video games!
Industrial Light and Magic...the early years.....they were just a bunch of kids with better toys than us >
sarlaccpitpodcast - once again thank you for sharing these rare videos!!! I've never seen these.
So i always thought that the speeder from Lego Star Wars 8083 set was made up by Lego, but apparently it's a real thing from the movie production, it just didn't make it to the final cut.
You can see it at 2:08
F**king masterpiece of a movie :D
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previously unseen troop transport! sooo cool!
This is completely nuts! Wow!
2:09 interesting, that tank/snow mobile doesn't appear in the movie.
It was very cold in this room where it was filmed. Look on their coat. Brrrrr.cold very very cold.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing this👌
Back when everything wasn't cgi'd.
yeah, and?
Pigumon i think you have no idea what that means?
Old school was the best school.
@@Cog_In_The_Gear ok boomer
dr obnoxius 😂
Clapperboard back in the day 🤣
That’s so nice, one reason why we all fall in the original version ( which Winn the oscars) of sound and effects and not the dam shit which come later. It’s Like children game play.
Geez I like the ESB movie even more now. Anyone else think CGI makes the movies seem less real and more like animation these days? The models made the movies seem more real
The models made the film seem real, because they are real. CGI tries hard, but fails every time to fool the human eye.
Jake 19
No it doesn’t there is CGI in almost every movie now and you didn’t realize it
@@FP194 So you're going to tell me what I realize and don't? Yeah okay. Maybe you're fooled, but not me.
There are instances of CGI in films today where it’s used so sparingly that you’d be hard-pressed to notice it, but there are also scenes which make heavy use of CGI where it’s application is obvious.
There are cases where miniatures and other practical effects look much more real than CGI (a good more modern example being the Batmobile in “Batman Begins”, for instance), and cases where it’s much more subjective, because neither the CGI nor practical effects look perfectly real, but each looks more real in different ways.
I tend to favor the look of practical effects whenever possible, but acknowledge that there are many instances where CGI makes things possible that otherwise simply wouldn’t be (the aliens in “The Edge of Tomorrow” come to mind).
I will say that Lucas’s edits to the original trilogy are incredibly distracting in my opinion, and the CGI looks very primitive and obvious, making the whole thing worse. I also find it almost disrespectful to all those that worked so hard on the original effects back in 1977, 1980, and 1983 respectively. To any who share my sentiments, I recommend checking out “The Star Wars Trilogy” forum
maravilloso trabajo, digno de ejemplo
Release the unaltered versions of these movies Disney!
The true magic 😍
1:07 DAAAAMN!! What is that?
Chris Kelly! :O
Wow, I feel old now!
I assume this is from an episode of Clapperboard?
So easy to write : "Giant mechanical quadrupeds attack a rebel base on a snow planet. A battle ensues."
Producer : "How the hell are going to do THAT?!!"
... 2 years, a few million dollars, and several failed marriages later...
"Congratulations everybody, you've just made movie history!"
Hoth is Norway 🇳🇴 awesome
Good questions. Makes a change.
Clapper Board with Chris Kelly. Great kids TV!
Do you have the show which featured Raiders of the Lost Ark??
0:28 "This is the Landspeeder..." // actually no... ;) It was _(subsequently!)_ called the "Snowspeeder"...
Technically you are right but if you remember the line about difficulty adapting them to the cold? Seems strange to have difficulties adapting a Snowspeeder to the cold. I think that might be an oops.
Either that or it’s a really rubbish Snowspeeder which Hoth is too cold for.
Or it’s a Landspeeder adapted to the cold with difficulty and as such is so different from the original vehicle that it is now designated by the name Snowspeeder. Or Snowspeeder is the name used to differentiate adapted Landspeeders so unadapted ones are not used accidentally.
but when the snow thaws its a landspeeder again.
@@eddherring4972 Or they may just be "speeders" when they aren't adapted for the cold.
Thats because Chris De Burgh is "high on" emotion.
They're called Airspeeders, they were adapted for use in the snow. A Landspeeder is what Luke drove back on Tatooine.
Filmed at Finse in Norway
For a low budget film I'm wondering how they gathered so many crazy people to walk around in the north pole snow in the freezing tundra like that.
wait...WHAT??? The AT-ATs weren't real???
Clapper Board. 👍 🎬
You can see my Godfather Mike cleaning a lens at 1.04
2:06 this is tank build from lego rebel hoth battle pack
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At-at the size of camels eh eh eh
yea we used actual camels...these are screen replicas
You're the size of camels, mate, if anyone is...
Also Space 1999 special effects designer?
Yes! Lucas was a fan of S99, and tried to hire Johnson. But Ridley Scott’s group snagged him for “Alien” so he wasn’t available ro Lucas until the second “Star Wars.”
@@JordanOrlando Lucas was not a fan of Space 1999. Space 1999 had below-par miniature effects with crappy shallow depth of field miniature work. In early 1975, Lucas wanted to assemble a group of experienced effects people to work with Dykstra, or Doug Trumbull (whoever would agree to the project-it was Dykstra) to create a NEW effects company with new technology. Johnson would have served in the same capacity in A New Hope as John Stears actually did in that film -mechanical and physical effects-that's what he really contributed in Empire, and overseeing all departments. He had no knowledge of motion control technology. And Ridley Scott did not snatch him up from Lucas!!! Star Wars SPFX was shot around the same time as Space:1999 2nd season ( mostly 1976) and Johnson was probably contractually obligated to finish his work on that project. Alien SPFX miniature photography (which were below par-not the art direction-there's a difference) was shot mostly 1978. No conflict. Then Johnson moved onto Empire.
A time when Star Wars was good.
Simmy Sims tell me about it
There is not enough space in the comments section to deal with the sized of my Eyeroll.
back when there was no wokeness
No, a time when “Star Wars” was _great._
" They're big as camels 🐫 arent they" ..🤣
Amazing
When Computers 💻
Did Not Dictate
The World 🌎
John-Paul Nagel , yes but they were still using computers for the camera controls system. Without those, what we would consider crude computers in today’s standards, they wouldn’t be able to make to complex camera moves.
They still don't dictate the world. They're tools like any other. Please stop trying to make arguments that don't exist.
Poor people
They were in icland. Hahaha very cold.
No, Norway
prepair for gunassault
I guess Brian Johnson would have made a much better last Jedi although not being a director.
*B*rian Johnson... with a B!... TIFU
2:58 "In the picture the look as big as camels..." (Referring to the AT-AT's)
CAMELS? DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF SCALE? 😐
AT-AT = the camel, who shoot lasers. Was my first impression after seeing the movie as a kid 1980. :)
@@Bandido894 He said they look as "big" as camels, not "like" (which they do in a way). What I'm saying is how is it that they look as "big as camels" when it's obvious much smaller snowspeeders are flying around them? The movie makes it obvious that these things are huge, so there's no mistaking they're the size of actual camels. :)
What a total tool.
I'm hoping he meant the models looked as big as camels.
Today would be hundreds of computers aniamtiors which one in a different country doing a little piece each. This destroys all creative process
And not a feminist in sight.
Lucas and the screenwriters were feminists- instead of making Leia a typical damsel in distress, they made her strong and willing to fight.
@@bonorbitzshe needed rescuing in all three movies
Ice Planet Jupiter
times when films were made by directors and screenwriters, not marketers.
wheew, i thought for a moment he said rian johnsen
Brian Johnson > Rian Johnson.
he sound quality of the interview is so poor. Couldn't they have found a silent place without so much noise? Specially being the II part, and already clear this was a historical movie and this footage about the FX was crucial and for the future wer are now.
Javier González López it was 1980! You don’t even understand because you’re a kid
Some people aren’t happy unless everything is perfect and crystal clear! Try watching the deleted sandstorm scene then mention lack of clarity!
Crappy fragile models worth $$$millions
CGI models worth nothing as they don't exist
*snow speeder
+Brandon Hanson , ya know, I grew up calling them snow speeders as well but, there is a line in the movie explaining they have yet to be "configured" for snow opts (or something of the sort) suggesting they are used over various land terrain. Watch it again, before Han goes out to look for Luke. :)
+duhg McDuhgal oh yeah, they had trouble adapting them to the cold. Makes sense that they could've been used for different purposes
+Brandon Hanson Lol. But in the end you're still kind of right. check out this link starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_speeder from Wookiepedia... Enjoy!
+duhg McDuhgal cool thanks
A bunch of Norwegian Rebels without a clue, the Hoth battle lost even before it started
Old white guys created that awesome universe. Hmmmmm how is this possible? ;) ;)
As well as the cameras, film, microphones, recording devices, the light bulb, electricity, electric motors, plastics, internal combustion engines, indoor plumbing, concrete, steel, radio, telephones, computers, refrigeration, modern agriculture, modern medicine, the X-ray, mass production, democracy, and freedom of speech.... just to name a few. Oh, and I almost forgot; eradicated the institution of slavery from the face of the Earth. But you'll never hear about THAT from the media.
@@stringtheoryguitars4952 It's a good thing we will have Donald Trump, a white saint, a perfect white man to lead the country again.