@@onixprime Yup, just another case of projection. At this point, it isn't just a "tactic" to accuse their opponents of what they themselves are doing, I think many people like this actually mentally stunted and are incapable of seeing things from the perspective of another person. I can't help but be reminded of the plot of Attack on Titan, specifically Willy Tybur's speech. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
"He poisoned our water supply burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses" "He did?" "Nooo, but are we going to wait around until he does?"
That guy is exactly what happens when your views are never challenged. You end up in an echo chamber rabbit hole existence where the slightest resistance to your world view makes you literally start shaking.
@@ralfzacherl9942 you mean the guy whos been going out to college kids probably the least religions group and trying to preach religion to them? Yeah im sure none of them have challenged his view
I like how he just repeats the same thing as the Christian, but dumber. Saying humans have inherent value because they're human is entirely identical to saying humans have inherent value because God, they're both points insisting upon themselves. The people that believe the later believe it whether you agree with their religion or not, so it's entirely identical to the random screeching atheist's assertion at the base level.
Asserting humans have inherent value just because we exist in no way carries the same weight as the idea that humans have inherent value because we were purposely created and bestowed with value by our creator.
The problem is that these people learned to debate in "safe spaces" against themselves. Its like playing streetfigher against the computer your whole life and expecting to go win a match in ranked.
or.. hear me out.. playing street fighter ranked your entire life, and then going out and getting into a street fight and expecting not to wake up in the ICU.
It's more like playing by yourself against the computer set to the easiest difficulty. When they only discuss amongst themselves in Echo-Chambers, they use _Strawmans_ to represent the opposing-views.
*non-leftist He would be an insult to classical liberals who actually believe in diversity of opinions and the rights of those they disagree with. It's more Atticus Finch and less Rachel Maddow.
@@promethiac2641because they said religion kills people. The comparison would be with no religion, hence atheism. Just like Musim and Jews aren't "sharing a book club", but they are still grouped as "religious people". Same with atheists.
@@promethiac2641 Because most Americans that I know think it's a worldview like religion, wich it isn't. The only thing I can say I definitely agree on with other atheists is that we share a non believe in (a) god(s). Also they tend to not know a lot about history judging by the amount of thumbs up this comment has gotten. 😉✌
Reminds me of my ex-wife! I could be sitting on the front porch drinking 2-3 beers after work and smoking a cigarette and she would come storming outside screaming at me for drinking some beers and telling me I am worse than her father who was supposedly abusive. She would also constantly check my phone (I had nothing to hide) and try to get me to confess to things she imagined in her head. She'd say things like "Your co-worker is prettier than me isn't she? You've cheated on me with her haven't you? You can tell me, I won't get mad..." and then when I answered "no, why would I cheat on you?" She would say something like "I KNEW IT!!! My friends husband cheated on her and we've talked and all you men are worthless!!!!" and then she'd stay at her friends house for 2-3 days before coming back home after her friend got tired of her. Eventually her "friend" told me that my wife cheated on me with another guy and she tried to stop her but couldn't" (the reality was that her friend was miserable and misery loves company so she set up a date for my wife with another man and convinced her to go through with sleeping with him and even took a picture of them in her spare bedroom together to show me). The next day my wife tells me she wanted a divorce over the phone and that her new lover treats her better than I treated her. Fast forward maybe 2 months and they get into a massive fight and finds out her new lover is a woman beater and drug addict and my wife comes knocking on my door at 3am covered in bruises and scratches and with tears in her eyes tells me "I am sorry for what I did, can I come in, I love you... I'm sorry, please forgive me..." I let her come in and she immediately gets naked and tells me she wanted to have "make-up sex" and I tell her to leave my house because the reason she left in the first place is because I supposedly was a bad guy so I didn't feel it was good for me to be around her if I'm such a supposed asshole. She kept apologizing and I told her "I love you but you cheated on me and our marriage died at that point" and she claimed that we could just start over and everything would be okay. I gave her $500 and had her call her parents and they let her stay with them. Eventually I pushed for a divorce and yes, she got my house (which was bullshit as I paid every dime on it) and I ended up moving back with my parents for a good 4 months until I got my shit together and ended up in an apartment, I eventually started dating around and found a woman who was 19 and was interested in me despite me being 32 at the time, we took it slow until we didn't (lol) and on the 8th date we had sex and 6 months later we got married. Been with her for over 11 years now and we have a child and she is the calmest and most down to Earth woman I've ever met.
You better post this word for word on the next video you see of a MAGAt screaming that immigrants, trans people, and the libs are killing America and trying to silence conservatives.
@@Laughing_Chinaman In the USA maybe, yeah... I can see that. But out there in the REAL world (Europe and Asia for example), you go to University to actually become smarter
Hahahahaha That's not how you win an argument today. It's all about who is the loudest online and in the media who wins. Why do you think Trump is so popular even though he spouts nonsense every single day?
@@Odyssey636 The other guy was calmed while the soy boy was crying and yelling, if he wanted to dismantle the religious guy better bring some good points or you look completely unhinged like that reddit mod
Just goes to show how stupid the general public are if they care more about composure than actual facts. Maybe if people listened more to smart people instead of people who are simply charismatic, congress wouldn't be filled with idiots.
@@Odyssey636 The Idea that god gave us Human Rights is not a losing argument, otherwise you're basically saying Hitler did nothing wrong, Afterall it's the state that gives people rights, so why would it be wrong for the state to take way rights? Afterall they gave it to us so therefore they get to make and control all rights and rights are not Inherited from birth etc. That is against the religious notion that god create all men equal in his eyes. This is why the founding fathers worded our rights this way, to take away power from the state. Even Atheists acknowledge this way of thinking is preferable to the state being the arborator of Human Rights. Personally I'm agonistic. It's very weird seeing this pretend hatred of Religion, when historically all our current beliefs and morality are based on Judea Christian values such as "Don't do onto others, you wouldn't want done upon you" etc. People like you genuinely need to engage in this topic before saying things like "You also lose when u bring up gOd" you seem to be ignorant of history and religion, people smarter than you and me debated this for years to create the constitution, Atheists and agnostic and Christians all came together and agreed our rights come from god. Ask yourself why.
Thinks their hateful violent rhetoric is justified, and perceived hateful violent rhetoric of the other side is a crime against humanity, despite the fact that the other side gave no hateful violent rhetoric except that the overlords said they did. Sit back and take a good look fellas. This is what being brainwashed looks like. An imbecile puppet who's ready to Aluah Akbar at the slightest reason for a cause which is obfuscated by layers and facets of mass hypnosis and social engineering, for a group of people who have nothing to do with their outward agenda but solely leverage idiots like this for their own malicious and criminal interests. FYI I'm not taking a political stance here. This is an observation of human behavior.
I have read a quote a long time ago but i don't know it exactly anymore. It says something like "In anger you will make the biggest speech, which you will regret for the rest of your life"
Intolerance paradox: In order to maximize tolerance, the acceptable intolerance is against the intolerant. It is the same premise that allows for violence in the case of self-defense. Violence is unacceptable except in the face of violence. In other words, to put it in the context of the yelling guy: When you put your profits over society (which "high tier capitalists" do, let's be honest - the stakeholder's interests have been of no concern to them for decades now), you ought to lose the benefits a society provides. He's an incredibly bad public speaker, but he's not wrong. Capitalism, as a necessity of increasing profits - it's inherent goal - inadvertently leads to people's lives becoming less valued and thereby more and more expendable, leading to work with sub-standard equipment, disregard of safety regulations, and other dangers that have directly lead to the deaths of millions thanks to capitalist interests, which makes capitalism the ideological cause of their demise.
I agree that he has a point somewhere in there but honestly as you said it’s a “paradox” to think this way. While capitalists are bad, this kind of thinking reminds me of China during and after the revolution. IMO it’s better to have a capitalist society over a totalitarian regime like what communist China or Soviet Russia had/have. Capitalism is bad but at least in this society we can speak our voice rather than being sent to jail or killed. In this case tho, he ruins all credibility and respect from me. When u yell and scream violence and obscenities like this child here, nobody in their right mind will listen to u. He should let someone more intelligent and eloquent prove his point cuz honestly he looks like he’s running off emotion and not his brain. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt” -Abe Lincoln
@@stammesbrudernot really. You can still practice a moral form of capitalism. For instance, I can make the argument that it's unfair that some possibly skilled people don't get a chance to participate and improve society and thus we should give them a baseline platform. (Welfare) You can also argue that people shouldn't be completely financially destroyed by some random medical issue they just happened to have at no fault of their own for a fair chance at competition in society which in turn improves it for all of us (Universal healthcare). I think EU countries practice a much healthier form of capitalism than the US.
@@stammesbruder This "paradox" has an easy solution. We can take tolerance as a social contract that makes you tolerate others and guarantees you that you will be tolerated, but if you break this contract, you are no longer protected by it and so intolerance towards you doesn't break said contract.
Just my 2 cents: I notice that when people are arguing the Capitalism vs Socialism piece, they almost always seem to be arguing their perfectly practiced system vs the the other system that is corrupted by greedy and/or power hungry people. Argument 1: Capitalism is bad because it always leads to people caring about money over the wellbeing of others. Argument 2: Socialism is bad because it leads to censorship and the oppression of people who try to speak out against it. Both of those arguments do not point out flaws in the systems themselves, rather a flaw in human nature. If ran perfectly, you could have a Capitalist, Socialist, or even a Capitalist/Socialist system that took care of people in need without allowing abuse of the System. It could allow free markets which would encourage competition which in turn would result in fair pricing and better quality items. I would argue that people are the problem. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm sure most people have heard that phrase. It is true I believe. And I do not believe that it is the system that leads us into that behavior. We are already like that, the system is just the tool we use. We can all say, "if it was me..." or "If we just vote the right person in..." everything will all of a sudden be better and those other guys will lose. I don't think that will ever happen. As long as people are running the show, every system will be flawed and broken. So, where does that leave us. We look at history, what countries flourished and prospered more? What countries did the people seem better off and happy? Countries that embraced and held a Capitalist system or countries that went more with the Communist/Socialist system? And you can't argue "oh that's because we have never seen Socialism done properly..." I already addressed that in the first statement of this post. We have never seen any system "done properly", nor will we as long as it's ran by people.
"Human beings have value because we care about each other........... but fuck all of those other people" Is this dude admitting he has no value? Quite the high IQ move.
@@XinDseal Correct. Humans only have value because the Collective has deemed so. Inversely, any individual the Collective deems to NOT have value, doesn't. It's rly that simple, since Humans (like every other life form) DON'T have any inherent value, just what the Collective determines, enforced by Power. The moment the Collective ceases to exist or loses Power, everybody stops having any value & it becomes a free for all essentially
@@XinDseal Okay, but that means that humans have zero value to a majority of humans by that logic, as evidenced by his own immediate devaluing of the vast majority of the planet (religious people).
one of the major problems with america, you always have to "destroy" some one. How about some respect for you fellow countrymen? not everyone can have your point of view. that doesnt make them your enemy that has to be defeated or put in their place
Probably would make a wojack meme of himself Crying Wojack: But Atheists have killed millions too Chad wojack: yes (long paragraph in explaining why he’s the one in the right that no one will agree with only people already on his side) I won this his internet argument.
@@deaczorz You can't have peace when only one side is willing to negotiate. You heard this kid say it himself, "They want to destroy us, so we should destroy them." Even after being told by conservatives who were present that they didn't want to destroy him, he didn't budge from his views. If diplomacy doesn't work, that doesn't leave you many options. Hell, half the reason things have gotten to this point is because conservatives keep _trying_ to negotiate with people like this.
there atheists killers sure but they are not killers because they are atheists, that cannot be said for religious people tho, religious deaths happen to this day
Funny thing is that the older guy actually says later that atheism has actually killed people nor religion, humans will harm others regardless of what they believe.
@@LartinBeats-rg6pfProblem is that Stalin and other do not killed because of atheism. But there was a lot of wars and killing people because of religion.
@@arlisongbird9386 That's why they implemented a Vaccine mandate in the Military and Police while we have the lowest recruitment rate ever. They need people who do what they're told.
"I didn't have a dad to teach me how to drive a manual" was yelled at me one time at work. My boss was standing next to me and looked at me kinda weirdly and I looked at him and said "I'm going to need a new one of those tomorrow" that guy was never seen from again. Lasted one whole day in the oilfield lmfao
THe older gentleman is an idiot religious grifter. Look at any of his other videos, they are full of bad arguments and strawmen. This video is two idiots fighting each other, one just yelling and one being calm.
Sure, but you don't counter argue with the same illogical nonsense without prefacing it as how ridiculous of a statement it is to make to begin with. He didn't preface it at all, he just implied that atheism killed millions.
@@snaplemouton To be fair he very well could have prefaced it. I have not looked at the full video but the video here was heavily edited. So yes you are correct that he should preface how illogical and wrong that argument is but we cannot say for certain that he didn't.
“I’m gonna fight counter-revolutionaries in the streets!” -Man in the street talking to someone he considers a counter-revolutionary without fighting him
Im sure there are studies out there that looked into this. Though i get the sense it comes from how negitive things stay longer in our heads then positive things. Which probably came from when we needed to watch out for other animals trying to eat us
Well yeah when you have been deprived of "great power with great responsibility" or "exercising merit", you get someone who I think has somewhat of a lopsided conscience. On one hand they have had their entire life and been given everything. On the other hand, they know deep down they don't deserve it. Hmmmm problem now is how do I come up with a way so that I don't have to do the work to change, can yell back at the conscience telling me I don't deserve what I have, but still get to keep my status. Hmmm, how about I am the savior of the world but its still other peoples fault how about that.
Healthcare could be affordable, but the literal representational body of the masses (government) is too afraid to do anything for it; more and more people become wage slaves for bare necessities; despite being one of the strongest economies, most americans live paycheck-to-paycheck; the ability to go to work greatly depends on whether you can afford to have a luxury good and fuel for it on a daily basis. Privacy is a thing of the past, with well known institutions openly spying on people. Alternative methods to relieve such tensions are possible and viable, yet the corporate elite lobby against it to make the lives of the diminishing middle class (and increasing lower class) harder and harder... It may be a boring dystopia, but it sure is one. In most dystopias, the common masses usually just accept their nightmare as the way life is - I see no difference to the reality we live in today.
He sounds like the athiest side of those christian debates where one of them just pretends to be an atheist for the sake of argument... TBF though everyone today seems to think Bladerunner is the goal rather than a warning, so I could probably forgive him if he did think he was the protagonist of a dystopian sci fi movie...
@@stammesbruder The only thing the government should do about healthcare is de-regulate it. That's why it is expensive, you can't bump up cost to an unreasonable degree and then do something like place a price roof, that's how you destroy an economy (See also: when the US tried gas stamps)
Not seeing enough people pointing out how stupid the other guy was. Atheism never killed no one cause atheism is a lack of belief in deific aspects. But christians have certainly killed a lot of people under the claim that god wanted them to do that.
Editors are so right. It actually reminds me so much of a Hasan tirade when he gets an opposing view or disagreement in chat. Like a simple question that goes against what he says. This is basically what he does. He's done it so many times.
"destroy the counter revolutionaries" sounds a lot like the reign of terror during the french revolution. The executions and the quote"terror is the order of the day" came from the "Committe of Public Safety". I'm noticing a lot of patterns here, including the fear mongering.
The progressive left get a lot of their playbook from the French Revolution, to be fair. Using yellow journalism, spreading rumors and unchecked half-truths or speculation-as-fact through tabloids and rabble-rousers, incentivizing dissent and resentment, and creating strawmen out of rival figures. Plus, they always have some kind of solid financial backing. The Jacobins and the Parisian gentlemen's clubs just wanted the crown's power for themselves, and they slandered and intimidated until they got their hate mob to do the work for them. Then it turned on them after they couldn't stop the ideological purity spiral.
"We are defined by our common interest in keeping each other alive." Literally the next fucking sentence "And they should be destroyed" So basically he just called himself worthless or something that isn't human dude can't even string two sentences together without it working against him
Nah. It's the same principle under which we condone violence in the face of violence as self-defense. It's called the intolerance paradox and it constitutes that we can only uphold tolerance by saving intolerance for intolerant people. You do not hit people, but if they attack you, it's totally fine to hit someone to defend yourself. What he is arguing for (badly, obviously) is that we should apply the same principle to the same people that upheld a system that threatens people on a societal level rather than a personal one. One may say "I don't want to kill you personally", but if they support people in power who plan to get rid of certain kinds of people, keep people away from receiving healthcare, or push them into poverty or keep them there, force them to become wage-slaves to maybe afford a roof over their head as to not die from exposure, then they do in fact want people to die - it is a direct result of many conservative policies.
This is because he doesn't actually HAVE a definition of what makes a human life valuable. He knows that it is valuable, but he has no defined reason for it. And so he just spews what sounds right in the moment, which does not actually align with the rest of his beliefs.
its the paradox of tolerance, basically you cant be tolerant against people that are intolerant against you, against intolerant people you have to also be intolerant or else you are done
Yeah... religion has been one of the largest causes of wars, genocide, slavery, and murder in general in the world for thousands of years. The younger guy is crazy as fuck but the preacher should have known better on that part.
@Mytelefe i heard that a couple of weeks ago, if she wasn't lying and everyone is wrong, why is it taking so long to release another one? I think she permanently cooked.
I remember throwing one hell of a tantrum when I was 5 because we were out of dino nuggies and honey mustard. My mom told me to just eat the regular nuggets with barbeque sauce but I told her I only wanted the dino ones and I didn't want barbeque sauce. I ran around screaming, crying, breaking my toys, basically destroying the house. I ended up crying myself to sleep and my mom didn't get me dino nuggies for another month and I learned to just eat the normal ones.
Brah, that dude needs to be watched. He looks to me like one of those dudes that walk into a crowded place and just starts mowing people down. No joke.
@@Zaque-TV no thats the likely outcome if you feel like everyone wants to kill you thats a clinical condition which can end up with you taking action first...
This guy talks big about how he will fight but you bet your ass if civil war breaks out in america then this guy will be on the first flight to Europe.
This is the kind of dude who'll go to a protest rally without knowing why the people/person that is being protested is being protested. The mob makes people like this feel important.
On the contrary. It is exhilirating, adrenaline fueling and megalomaniac. That is why they do it, they are animals addicted to the most immidiate of gratifications.
Sadly nothing is more exhilarating than being justifiably righteous in your rage. When you have every right and reason to be angry and yell. The cathartic release mixed with the knowledge of righteousness and doing something good. It gives a rush like no other. The issue is that it's addictive and if you don't know self control you'll look for any reason to be in this righteous rage and it leads to insane individuals getting angry over anything for their next hit. Anything can be addictive especially that which releases endorphins.
This is the equivalent of a dog that don't get enough stimulation, you'd be surprised how people would get a lot more level headed if they worked some hard labour for 8 hours and come home realising they dont have the energy for completely meaningless shit and might realise what's actually important to them.
Nah, the preacher only looks sensible compared to this shouting lunatic. But he claims Stalin murdered 20 milion people because he was an atheist. This is a terrible argument.
The Three Kingdoms period in China is probably the most interesting period of history in the world. They kept boatloads of documents and scriptures from that time period so you can basically experience a lot of it yourself through your imagination as there aren't many blanks to fill in.
"They are barbarians. Barbarism is not an ideology, not a political party, not a religion. It is a state of undeveloped savagery which simple and primitive emotions hold sway. It is a mob." -John C. Wright.
That sounds very ornate and deep... So this guy you are quoting is saying N@zis where Barbarians? It's basically the same root that the guy in the video is pulling from...
"THEY GONNA KILL ME AND MY FRIENDS!" Bro is gonna get Chipotle and starbucks after, while driving the car, his parents bought him. Meanwhile, little Iwika in Africa has to get water from the river for his whole village
A lot of the problems in modern society stem from a complete and utter lack of any appreciation whatsoever. As you said, this kid is spoiled senseless just getting to live in the west, and yet he acts like this. His parents failed him miserably.
In america. In britain, the christian would have been arrested for espousing christian views in public like that lady who got arrested for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.
@werewolf873 You should see the actual preachers in U.K being removed off streets while those of a certain other religion can hand out books and fliers and talk about how much they hate everyone who isn't their group.
I demonize society and it's tribalism and supposed need for duality in all things and I'm not radicalized. In fact, I live in a small rural community with my wife and our child working for myself instead of making a boss wealthy and live a frugal lifestyle filled with love, common sense, and rationality. If I took part in a "normal" life of working for 40+ years at a regular job, renting an apartment in a city, and retiring and blowing all of my money in a decade or two and not passing on generational wealth I'd probably be radicalized though. Hell, I could see myself pulling a D-Fens from Falling Down! A life of wage slavery and debt with minimal freedom sounds worse than prison to me. I build transmissions in my garage and I only have to build 1 or 2 a month (maybe 5-10 hours of labor) and I have all the bills and groceries covered and everything after that is gravy. No taxes, no bosses, no rules, I can smoke pot or drink whenever I want, wear whatever I want, make love to my wife whenever I want, take my family on a vacation whenever I want, etc. Yeah, I could make far more money working for AAMCO or another mass-production facility but there is no need to and I prefer being free. I paid my house off half a decade ago and only really need $800 a month to cover everything. I also undercut AAMCO by 50% so people get a far better deal going to me so I usually get 3-4 a month which means a lot of extra cash.
That's my college and I always avoid these random gatherings. They often turn ridiculous and I've seen physical abuse against people exercising their right to free speech. Disgusting
The CCP also destroyed almost every religious building and historical monument that went back thousands of years in China. You don't see tourists going to tour China to see their amazing old temples like in Japan because they don't exist anymore.
Mao was an atheist, yes, but also a dictator and a communist. If one wants to link the millions of deaths to atheism specifically, they have to do better than just saying that he was part of that group. Mao was also a man - did he kill millions _because_ he was a man? Doubtful. And methinks being a dictator might be a tad more important than the atheist bit. Also important to note that Mao was regarded as a god, so while he was an atheist, the system he governed was decidedly not. Correlation and causation, still getting mixed up. In short, neither of the folks in the video are making good, sound arguments.
the confidence these kids have while being entirely ignorant of the real world and historical fact is astounding, like its genuinely scary to think they can vote
While I'm not defending the young person in question, it's important to note that older generations have a responsibility to educate the younger ones about how the world works. However, due to the rapid pace of modern life, many older people struggle to keep up, leading young people to seek knowledge and wisdom from the internet. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean that young people are often teaching each other, which can be problematic when things go wrong and there's no one to guide them back on the right path. It's unfair to solely blame the younger generation for ignorance when they haven't been properly taught, but at the same time, they must take responsibility for their own actions. In short, both generations have a role to play in ensuring that young people are equipped with the knowledge and skills they need to navigate the world.
That would be because ignorance is our natural state and we are far too lazy, limited by our bodies/minds to ever truly learn everything important for genuine evolution and progress. Well meme wise at least.
He actually does have a point. He is just extremely bad at presenting the argument. Capitalism naturally values profit more than anything. In the early days of it, there were no regulations. Kids were left in chimneys to die, if they got stuck while cleaning them, to name a single horrific example. There was no meaningful compensation for losing your hand in a machine either for the longest time. To this day, the lowest on the capitalist work-chain perform manual labour with sub-standard or outright inadequate equipment - safety regulations are often ignored. Companies have lost interest in what the stakeholders need in exchange for the interests of shareholders, and that shift was made decades ago. People do, in fact, die for the sake of capital, daily. Just take healthcare as a single example: Policies that reduce the accessibility to healthcare lead to higher reliance on private insurances, which are harder and harder to afford and still don't cover you completely. This in turn leads to less people being able to seek out, let alone receive, the treatment they need. This is a single example of how conservative policies lead to thousands of deaths in the name of capitalism. People die because the capitalist interests of the few are being placed higher than human lives. Such people (in power) do pose a legitimate threat to the well-being of society. Though I would argue that reclaiming that power would be sufficient, I can see why someone who is directly (and negatively) affected by the voting habits of conservatives gets up in arms against those who literally make it harder to just get by on a weekly basis. It's hard not to take things personally, when your future hinges on the decisions some rich sacks (who haven't been able to relate to the common man for half a century) make to get their own stocks up.
@@stammesbruder conservative voting habits don’t matter because the Dems have been destroying our economy for upwards of 70 years. The issue people have is that their economy is constantly being attacked and their money is constantly being devalued, we could easily live like our grandparents with cheap quality housing for single income families. But almost everything the left supports takes us further and further away from that. Great example is the regulation leftists often love, they don’t realize the majority of regulation does not exist for their own interest but infact to decrease the likelihood of any individual person making their own living. Ironically they often support corporate backed regulation that exists solely for that purpose, and then they truly believe anyone who wants to make it easier for the average person to work for themselves is somehow “a corporate bootlicker” It all stems from the fact most people don’t have the economic knowledge to understand where are issues are coming from, I couldn’t tell you how many leftists I’ve seen in the last few months genuinely argue that inflation does not exist at all.
@@stammesbruder Yes people have exploited capitalism at the cost of human life, just like people will exploit any position of power. The fact still remains that capitalism has provided more opportunity and economic mobility for commoners and their descendants than any ill-conceived leftist alternative...which is why people from all around the world have flocked to capitalist societies for over a century, while virtually nobody (including this twerp) leaves despite having all the freedom to do so.
Atheist leaders killed people, Religious leaders killed people, it's not about belief, it's about seeing each other as human being... and that guy failed to do that...
"they want to kill us, my friend and family"
not even couple second later
"we should destroy them"
His thought process must be "I want them dead, so they must want me dead"
@@onixprime Yup, just another case of projection. At this point, it isn't just a "tactic" to accuse their opponents of what they themselves are doing, I think many people like this actually mentally stunted and are incapable of seeing things from the perspective of another person.
I can't help but be reminded of the plot of Attack on Titan, specifically Willy Tybur's speech. Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Oy vey
DARVO.
"He poisoned our water supply burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses"
"He did?"
"Nooo, but are we going to wait around until he does?"
when the foundation of your whole argument is yelling and swearing
and making a strawman one after another
It sounded more concerning than that to me.
It sounded like the ones that killed millions of people.
Only people that can't win an argument. Blame loudness of voice and spelling
My English teacher in college told us not to swear because it makes you look stupid. He was right.
That's the problem with these far left freaks.
That guy is exactly what happens when your views are never challenged. You end up in an echo chamber rabbit hole existence where the slightest resistance to your world view makes you literally start shaking.
Not only that they take it as an attack on themselves
Funny enough, it fits on this religious guy as well.
@ralfzacherl9942 not really.
@@ralfzacherl9942 you mean the guy whos been going out to college kids probably the least religions group and trying to preach religion to them? Yeah im sure none of them have challenged his view
@@ralfzacherl9942 good one 🤣 what a comedian amirite?
"i will fight" yet his movement and stature would suggest he's never had a fight in his entire life
His entire body language was set up for running away.
Fr someone should of told him alr fight me. I wanted to see what bro would do lol
Bro has the posture of an overly gay guy lmao
The irony is that they're all like this. If they ever got the fight they wanted it would last all of 10 seconds.
He wants to fight a boogie man
"People have inherent value, but not those people" LMAO😂🤣🤣
lol
pretty much like in "Animal Farm"
I like how he just repeats the same thing as the Christian, but dumber. Saying humans have inherent value because they're human is entirely identical to saying humans have inherent value because God, they're both points insisting upon themselves. The people that believe the later believe it whether you agree with their religion or not, so it's entirely identical to the random screeching atheist's assertion at the base level.
@@chucklebouf5379Only we have a whole book of their God committing genocide and ordering genocide
Asserting humans have inherent value just because we exist in no way carries the same weight as the idea that humans have inherent value because we were purposely created and bestowed with value by our creator.
The problem is that these people learned to debate in "safe spaces" against themselves. Its like playing streetfigher against the computer your whole life and expecting to go win a match in ranked.
or.. hear me out.. playing street fighter ranked your entire life, and then going out and getting into a street fight and expecting not to wake up in the ICU.
calling them bots is too good for them
It's more like playing by yourself against the computer set to the easiest difficulty. When they only discuss amongst themselves in Echo-Chambers, they use _Strawmans_ to represent the opposing-views.
he's not trying to debate here, just playing for public, appealing to emotions, if you look at their arguments, they are both insanely bad at it
This is a college kid with his brain not fully developed yet Pretty easy fight if you ask me lol Human brain doesn't fully develop until its 25
Sadly for him IRL is not reddit and you can't just ban somebody for having a nonliberal opinion.
They are trying.
@@thdn8127 they always try
*non-leftist
He would be an insult to classical liberals who actually believe in diversity of opinions and the rights of those they disagree with. It's more Atticus Finch and less Rachel Maddow.
The one guy in the back is like: I am conservative and I don't want to kill you.
That got me so good 🤠👍
How to gaslight someone 101
@@NPC00034Or just telling the truth to someone that's delusional
@stevethegent6286 telling the truth isn't the same as gaslighting.
@@NPC00034 touch grass
Its as what my teacher said,
"When you knock on a drum, the emptier it is, the louder the sound"
never knew someone could knock drums out, i always thought we banged drums..
Huh, similar to my local proverb roughly translated as 'empty drum makes hollow sound', used to called someone with empty promise or a bluff
@@sergiolandz6056 so i guess you suplex doors too?
@@thehatter9400 I do, and won by submission, that door had it coming.
@@HanDaimond Han "The Doorman" Daimond
"Counter revolutionist are not gonna be respected" He came full circle, he talk exactly like the people who followed Stalin and Mao...
Lol I bet he doesn't know the first to die after the revolution were those who instigated it.
They straight up saying "Counter revolutionaries" rather than "oppressors"... At least they know they aren't fighting "The man" now...
Why were they talking about atheism like it's an organization? Isn't that like a book club with no books.. and no club?
@@promethiac2641because they said religion kills people. The comparison would be with no religion, hence atheism.
Just like Musim and Jews aren't "sharing a book club", but they are still grouped as "religious people".
Same with atheists.
@@promethiac2641 Because most Americans that I know think it's a worldview like religion, wich it isn't.
The only thing I can say I definitely agree on with other atheists is that we share a non believe in (a) god(s).
Also they tend to not know a lot about history judging by the amount of thumbs up this comment has gotten. 😉✌
When I saw dude's shirt tucked in I already knew he was gonna lose 😢
Yes, crossing arms, walking anxiously back and forth, stuttering, and yelling.
The epitome of a good argument.
Reminds me of my ex-wife! I could be sitting on the front porch drinking 2-3 beers after work and smoking a cigarette and she would come storming outside screaming at me for drinking some beers and telling me I am worse than her father who was supposedly abusive.
She would also constantly check my phone (I had nothing to hide) and try to get me to confess to things she imagined in her head. She'd say things like "Your co-worker is prettier than me isn't she? You've cheated on me with her haven't you? You can tell me, I won't get mad..." and then when I answered "no, why would I cheat on you?"
She would say something like "I KNEW IT!!! My friends husband cheated on her and we've talked and all you men are worthless!!!!" and then she'd stay at her friends house for 2-3 days before coming back home after her friend got tired of her.
Eventually her "friend" told me that my wife cheated on me with another guy and she tried to stop her but couldn't" (the reality was that her friend was miserable and misery loves company so she set up a date for my wife with another man and convinced her to go through with sleeping with him and even took a picture of them in her spare bedroom together to show me).
The next day my wife tells me she wanted a divorce over the phone and that her new lover treats her better than I treated her.
Fast forward maybe 2 months and they get into a massive fight and finds out her new lover is a woman beater and drug addict and my wife comes knocking on my door at 3am covered in bruises and scratches and with tears in her eyes tells me "I am sorry for what I did, can I come in, I love you... I'm sorry, please forgive me..."
I let her come in and she immediately gets naked and tells me she wanted to have "make-up sex" and I tell her to leave my house because the reason she left in the first place is because I supposedly was a bad guy so I didn't feel it was good for me to be around her if I'm such a supposed asshole. She kept apologizing and I told her "I love you but you cheated on me and our marriage died at that point" and she claimed that we could just start over and everything would be okay. I gave her $500 and had her call her parents and they let her stay with them.
Eventually I pushed for a divorce and yes, she got my house (which was bullshit as I paid every dime on it) and I ended up moving back with my parents for a good 4 months until I got my shit together and ended up in an apartment, I eventually started dating around and found a woman who was 19 and was interested in me despite me being 32 at the time, we took it slow until we didn't (lol) and on the 8th date we had sex and 6 months later we got married.
Been with her for over 11 years now and we have a child and she is the calmest and most down to Earth woman I've ever met.
The guy screaming that he’s being attacked while no one’s doing anything to stop him shows how insane he truly is.
You better post this word for word on the next video you see of a MAGAt screaming that immigrants, trans people, and the libs are killing America and trying to silence conservatives.
the beast that cries out in pain as it strikes you
Like every "racial activist", muslim or feminist.
let him cook bro
Roid rage
it is always the loudest who has the smaller brain
It's called compensation.
these are collage students, they are MADE to 'think' like this.
@@Laughing_Chinaman In the USA maybe, yeah... I can see that. But out there in the REAL world (Europe and Asia for example), you go to University to actually become smarter
Nah he just thinks he's smart.
@@polybius9089 im European, its no different. the entire west is infiltrated by commies. google Long march through the institutions
His voice is giving “SHE SAID SHE WAS TWELEVE!” 😂
Cliffe has so much patience that it's crazy
Most sane Hasan viewer
Lets be honest, he doesn't have viewers anymore lmao.
The sad thing is he was probably chosen as their spokesman because he was the *most* eloquent and reasoned one among them.
Nah it’s your most average small hat wearer
Also add most sane Destiny Viewers too
@@timexyemerald6290 nah, destiny has been slowly moving toward becoming a reasonable person. This guy is a vaush viewer.
Too bad his reddit friends aren't outside to be with him, they might've been able to overpower the man by swearing and yelling
I wouldn't take someone that seriously like this guy. For some reason he reminds me of my second brother 😂
what? they can't ban people irl?
Or by banning his account which he doesnt have.
They would have overpowered him by smell alone
Tantrums worked so well for them when they were toddlers, they decided to not progress past that point.
That kid is a pamphlet of buzzwords delivered to him by other male feminists.
holy [fecal matter] the crowd awkwardly saying "I don't wanna [Alt+F4] you" is straight up out of a comedy movie
How many reddit subs does that guy mod??
One of them are gamingcirclejerk subreddit 😂
yes
yes
all of them
@@sergiolandz6056 not the battle network subreddit too....😢
When you start to insult, scream or complain in a debate, you have already lost. It a fight of argument and mind, not who scream the loudest.
Hahahahaha That's not how you win an argument today. It's all about who is the loudest online and in the media who wins.
Why do you think Trump is so popular even though he spouts nonsense every single day?
@@Odyssey636 The other guy was calmed while the soy boy was crying and yelling, if he wanted to dismantle the religious guy better bring some good points or you look completely unhinged like that reddit mod
Just goes to show how stupid the general public are if they care more about composure than actual facts. Maybe if people listened more to smart people instead of people who are simply charismatic, congress wouldn't be filled with idiots.
@@Odyssey636 The Idea that god gave us Human Rights is not a losing argument, otherwise you're basically saying Hitler did nothing wrong, Afterall it's the state that gives people rights, so why would it be wrong for the state to take way rights? Afterall they gave it to us so therefore they get to make and control all rights and rights are not Inherited from birth etc.
That is against the religious notion that god create all men equal in his eyes. This is why the founding fathers worded our rights this way, to take away power from the state.
Even Atheists acknowledge this way of thinking is preferable to the state being the arborator of Human Rights. Personally I'm agonistic.
It's very weird seeing this pretend hatred of Religion, when historically all our current beliefs and morality are based on Judea Christian values such as "Don't do onto others, you wouldn't want done upon you" etc. People like you genuinely need to engage in this topic before saying things like "You also lose when u bring up gOd" you seem to be ignorant of history and religion, people smarter than you and me debated this for years to create the constitution, Atheists and agnostic and Christians all came together and agreed our rights come from god. Ask yourself why.
Thinks their hateful violent rhetoric is justified, and perceived hateful violent rhetoric of the other side is a crime against humanity, despite the fact that the other side gave no hateful violent rhetoric except that the overlords said they did.
Sit back and take a good look fellas. This is what being brainwashed looks like. An imbecile puppet who's ready to Aluah Akbar at the slightest reason for a cause which is obfuscated by layers and facets of mass hypnosis and social engineering, for a group of people who have nothing to do with their outward agenda but solely leverage idiots like this for their own malicious and criminal interests.
FYI I'm not taking a political stance here. This is an observation of human behavior.
I have read a quote a long time ago but i don't know it exactly anymore.
It says something like "In anger you will make the biggest speech, which you will regret for the rest of your life"
Never thought I'd see Asmon reacting to a Cliffe video
Ironic how he “fights” for people’s rights but doesn’t mind destroying other people’s
Intolerance paradox: In order to maximize tolerance, the acceptable intolerance is against the intolerant. It is the same premise that allows for violence in the case of self-defense. Violence is unacceptable except in the face of violence. In other words, to put it in the context of the yelling guy: When you put your profits over society (which "high tier capitalists" do, let's be honest - the stakeholder's interests have been of no concern to them for decades now), you ought to lose the benefits a society provides.
He's an incredibly bad public speaker, but he's not wrong. Capitalism, as a necessity of increasing profits - it's inherent goal - inadvertently leads to people's lives becoming less valued and thereby more and more expendable, leading to work with sub-standard equipment, disregard of safety regulations, and other dangers that have directly lead to the deaths of millions thanks to capitalist interests, which makes capitalism the ideological cause of their demise.
I agree that he has a point somewhere in there but honestly as you said it’s a “paradox” to think this way. While capitalists are bad, this kind of thinking reminds me of China during and after the revolution. IMO it’s better to have a capitalist society over a totalitarian regime like what communist China or Soviet Russia had/have. Capitalism is bad but at least in this society we can speak our voice rather than being sent to jail or killed. In this case tho, he ruins all credibility and respect from me. When u yell and scream violence and obscenities like this child here, nobody in their right mind will listen to u. He should let someone more intelligent and eloquent prove his point cuz honestly he looks like he’s running off emotion and not his brain. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt” -Abe Lincoln
@@stammesbrudernot really. You can still practice a moral form of capitalism.
For instance, I can make the argument that it's unfair that some possibly skilled people don't get a chance to participate and improve society and thus we should give them a baseline platform. (Welfare)
You can also argue that people shouldn't be completely financially destroyed by some random medical issue they just happened to have at no fault of their own for a fair chance at competition in society which in turn improves it for all of us (Universal healthcare).
I think EU countries practice a much healthier form of capitalism than the US.
@@stammesbruder This "paradox" has an easy solution.
We can take tolerance as a social contract that makes you tolerate others and guarantees you that you will be tolerated, but if you break this contract, you are no longer protected by it and so intolerance towards you doesn't break said contract.
Just my 2 cents:
I notice that when people are arguing the Capitalism vs Socialism piece, they almost always seem to be arguing their perfectly practiced system vs the the other system that is corrupted by greedy and/or power hungry people.
Argument 1: Capitalism is bad because it always leads to people caring about money over the wellbeing of others.
Argument 2: Socialism is bad because it leads to censorship and the oppression of people who try to speak out against it.
Both of those arguments do not point out flaws in the systems themselves, rather a flaw in human nature. If ran perfectly, you could have a Capitalist, Socialist, or even a Capitalist/Socialist system that took care of people in need without allowing abuse of the System. It could allow free markets which would encourage competition which in turn would result in fair pricing and better quality items.
I would argue that people are the problem. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm sure most people have heard that phrase. It is true I believe. And I do not believe that it is the system that leads us into that behavior. We are already like that, the system is just the tool we use. We can all say, "if it was me..." or "If we just vote the right person in..." everything will all of a sudden be better and those other guys will lose. I don't think that will ever happen. As long as people are running the show, every system will be flawed and broken.
So, where does that leave us. We look at history, what countries flourished and prospered more? What countries did the people seem better off and happy? Countries that embraced and held a Capitalist system or countries that went more with the Communist/Socialist system? And you can't argue "oh that's because we have never seen Socialism done properly..." I already addressed that in the first statement of this post. We have never seen any system "done properly", nor will we as long as it's ran by people.
"Who cares about fuckking respect." Said Dumbledore calmly
"Human beings have value because we care about each other........... but fuck all of those other people"
Is this dude admitting he has no value? Quite the high IQ move.
@@thehoerscorral8565 He's just delusional
@@XinDseal Correct. Humans only have value because the Collective has deemed so. Inversely, any individual the Collective deems to NOT have value, doesn't. It's rly that simple, since Humans (like every other life form) DON'T have any inherent value, just what the Collective determines, enforced by Power. The moment the Collective ceases to exist or loses Power, everybody stops having any value & it becomes a free for all essentially
@@XinDseal Okay, but that means that humans have zero value to a majority of humans by that logic, as evidenced by his own immediate devaluing of the vast majority of the planet (religious people).
@@XinDseal Fair point but I still think he's straight up oblivious towards his own arguments
That guy is Cliff Knechtel. He is a professional college atheist humbler.
This is what happens when instead of coming to a conclusion you just assume whatever is given to you.
He will be making a reddit post later about how he destroyed a Christian conservative on his campus.
And then everyone clapped!
In a classic college student moment he'll add a link to the video, then we wait for the comments to roll in with a handful of popcorn.
one of the major problems with america, you always have to "destroy" some one. How about some respect for you fellow countrymen? not everyone can have your point of view. that doesnt make them your enemy that has to be defeated or put in their place
Probably would make a wojack meme of himself
Crying Wojack: But Atheists have killed millions too
Chad wojack: yes (long paragraph in explaining why he’s the one in the right that no one will agree with only people already on his side) I won this his internet argument.
@@deaczorz You can't have peace when only one side is willing to negotiate. You heard this kid say it himself, "They want to destroy us, so we should destroy them." Even after being told by conservatives who were present that they didn't want to destroy him, he didn't budge from his views. If diplomacy doesn't work, that doesn't leave you many options. Hell, half the reason things have gotten to this point is because conservatives keep _trying_ to negotiate with people like this.
Saying that athiests don't kill, then immediately saying you need to kill people is insanely obliviously ignorant
there atheists killers sure but they are not killers because they are atheists, that cannot be said for religious people tho, religious deaths happen to this day
He is just playing a part, some people actually think that's what it means...
Funny thing is that the older guy actually says later that atheism has actually killed people nor religion, humans will harm others regardless of what they believe.
@@LartinBeats-rg6pfProblem is that Stalin and other do not killed because of atheism. But there was a lot of wars and killing people because of religion.
@@LartinBeats-rg6pfAnd I do not defend another person. He is talking stupid things.
Every time he made a statement he looked back at his audience for approval. Even they weren't that impressed.
“Innate desire to keep each other alive”
Wow this guy lived under a rock.
He clearly never heard of the great leap forward
This guy would fight until the first punch to the face, then he would scream for police to save him.
He will get hit and look around and realize no one is following him.
The most anti police people seem to be the most police people when they have an issue, its Kinda ironic.
@@DaddyVader87 Because they want their own revolutionary guard, who follow their will. Not just general P.D 😮
then he will scream at the police for police brutality
@@arlisongbird9386 That's why they implemented a Vaccine mandate in the Military and Police while we have the lowest recruitment rate ever. They need people who do what they're told.
"my ideology saves people, therefore I get to ruin your life."
-Bootleg Hasan piker (Campus edition)
That's not Hasan Piker, that's Horse Poker💀
America is supposed to be the land of the free
@@FleshWizard69420 Cenk?
@@TheGM-20XX No, I think Vaush...
@@TheGM-20XX Cenk, and Vaush both have made similar comments about horses...Seems the "Left" has a fascination with Horse cough cough..
The guy doxxing people calling for you to be cancelled and fired on twitter.
Guy totally destroyed himself in the whole argument.
That dude should be happy, he got to experience what it's like to have a father figure for a moment.
Dang! 😁
"I didn't have a dad to teach me how to drive a manual" was yelled at me one time at work. My boss was standing next to me and looked at me kinda weirdly and I looked at him and said "I'm going to need a new one of those tomorrow" that guy was never seen from again. Lasted one whole day in the oilfield lmfao
Surgically precise.
Older gentleman was not saying that atheism is directly linked to those deaths, but he did use that other guys ridiculous logick against him.
THe older gentleman is an idiot religious grifter. Look at any of his other videos, they are full of bad arguments and strawmen. This video is two idiots fighting each other, one just yelling and one being calm.
So states that didn't tolerate any religion, thus executed millions in the name of their anti-religious purge, were thus not because of atheism?
Sure, but you don't counter argue with the same illogical nonsense without prefacing it as how ridiculous of a statement it is to make to begin with.
He didn't preface it at all, he just implied that atheism killed millions.
Hitler was a german christian lol. Christian wasn't blamed for his genocide. And do we even need to get started on Muslim s?
@@snaplemouton To be fair he very well could have prefaced it. I have not looked at the full video but the video here was heavily edited. So yes you are correct that he should preface how illogical and wrong that argument is but we cannot say for certain that he didn't.
He forgot he wasn't having an online discussion.
The smallest dogs have the loudest barks.
Bro is legit a real life Reddit comment.
😂 agreed lol
best observation in this comment section.
R/athiesm 😂
“I’m gonna fight counter-revolutionaries in the streets!”
-Man in the street talking to someone he considers a counter-revolutionary without fighting him
no no, he is fighting the counter-revolutionary, you just can't see it because he's using acoustic attacks 😂
You just aren't able to see their stands, it's an all out brawl there
They are using JoJo stands. We can't see them, we are the NPCs, while they are the main characters. 🤡
He will probably just start slapping them 😂
I used to lean a little left, but have been pushed right. Dude would have called me a traitor amongst other things.
That dude ain't fighting anyone.
Something definitely to be said about the addictive properties of anger and self righteousness.
Im sure there are studies out there that looked into this.
Though i get the sense it comes from how negitive things stay longer in our heads then positive things.
Which probably came from when we needed to watch out for other animals trying to eat us
And lack of physical exercise on top of that. Physique like a balloon filled with jelly. Never physically or mentally developed past childhood.
Self righteousness is very subjective.
@@DetectorCliche no shit Sherlock, it's kind of in the name
Well yeah when you have been deprived of "great power with great responsibility" or "exercising merit", you get someone who I think has somewhat of a lopsided conscience. On one hand they have had their entire life and been given everything. On the other hand, they know deep down they don't deserve it. Hmmmm problem now is how do I come up with a way so that I don't have to do the work to change, can yell back at the conscience telling me I don't deserve what I have, but still get to keep my status. Hmmm, how about I am the savior of the world but its still other peoples fault how about that.
Bruh must've thought he was the protagonist of a dystopian sci fi movie or smth 💀
Healthcare could be affordable, but the literal representational body of the masses (government) is too afraid to do anything for it; more and more people become wage slaves for bare necessities; despite being one of the strongest economies, most americans live paycheck-to-paycheck; the ability to go to work greatly depends on whether you can afford to have a luxury good and fuel for it on a daily basis. Privacy is a thing of the past, with well known institutions openly spying on people. Alternative methods to relieve such tensions are possible and viable, yet the corporate elite lobby against it to make the lives of the diminishing middle class (and increasing lower class) harder and harder...
It may be a boring dystopia, but it sure is one. In most dystopias, the common masses usually just accept their nightmare as the way life is - I see no difference to the reality we live in today.
@@stammesbruderyou kay he right but lofe is still alot better than anytime in the past
He really does think that.
He sounds like the athiest side of those christian debates where one of them just pretends to be an atheist for the sake of argument... TBF though everyone today seems to think Bladerunner is the goal rather than a warning, so I could probably forgive him if he did think he was the protagonist of a dystopian sci fi movie...
@@stammesbruder The only thing the government should do about healthcare is de-regulate it. That's why it is expensive, you can't bump up cost to an unreasonable degree and then do something like place a price roof, that's how you destroy an economy (See also: when the US tried gas stamps)
This guy has never gotten in a fight in his life.
The tucked in tee shirt w/ stretched collar combo goes crazy
"Ill fight anywhere" he sounds like he'll cry getting pushed a little lol
1000%. Dude absolutely has a glass jaw
Part of me was hoping somebody would call him out on it
Not seeing enough people pointing out how stupid the other guy was.
Atheism never killed no one cause atheism is a lack of belief in deific aspects. But christians have certainly killed a lot of people under the claim that god wanted them to do that.
He sounds like he will scream out in pain when he hits someone else...
@@ZeallustImmortalI was praying someone stepped out and said yo I’ll fight you right here
Editors are so right. It actually reminds me so much of a Hasan tirade when he gets an opposing view or disagreement in chat. Like a simple question that goes against what he says. This is basically what he does. He's done it so many times.
Because Hasan is an actual child who somehow found even worse morons to fund his bourgeoisie lifestyle
I don't get why people watch Hasan, let alone donate him 😂
@@TMirwansah he's hot and his audience is young. Once they grow up they leave but he's already rich and was before even beginning streaming.
Yet for some reason asmon is willing to defend all of hasans braindead takes.
@@obiwayne2247 it's because Hasan sucks off anyone he decides are his friends, but the moment he isn't, he will become their biggest enemy.
"I speak loud, thus I win."
Whenever emotions take over you in a debate, you've lost the debate
"destroy the counter revolutionaries" sounds a lot like the reign of terror during the french revolution. The executions and the quote"terror is the order of the day" came from the "Committe of Public Safety". I'm noticing a lot of patterns here, including the fear mongering.
look into chinas "cultural revolution" i think you'll notice alot more patterns of similarity there.
The progressive left get a lot of their playbook from the French Revolution, to be fair. Using yellow journalism, spreading rumors and unchecked half-truths or speculation-as-fact through tabloids and rabble-rousers, incentivizing dissent and resentment, and creating strawmen out of rival figures. Plus, they always have some kind of solid financial backing.
The Jacobins and the Parisian gentlemen's clubs just wanted the crown's power for themselves, and they slandered and intimidated until they got their hate mob to do the work for them. Then it turned on them after they couldn't stop the ideological purity spiral.
yep, they're an anti-intellectual mob that eats nothing but communist and leftist political theory.
Did you just wake up from a 100 year nap?.
Or had you not been on the internet or consumed any kind of media in the last 10+ years.
@@CoalCoalJames what? I'm just talking about this specific video. I'm always noticing. I'm a noticer.
"We are defined by our common interest in keeping each other alive."
Literally the next fucking sentence
"And they should be destroyed"
So basically he just called himself worthless or something that isn't human dude can't even string two sentences together without it working against him
For over 100 years these 'useful idiots' are what have passed for revolutionaries
Nah. It's the same principle under which we condone violence in the face of violence as self-defense. It's called the intolerance paradox and it constitutes that we can only uphold tolerance by saving intolerance for intolerant people. You do not hit people, but if they attack you, it's totally fine to hit someone to defend yourself. What he is arguing for (badly, obviously) is that we should apply the same principle to the same people that upheld a system that threatens people on a societal level rather than a personal one.
One may say "I don't want to kill you personally", but if they support people in power who plan to get rid of certain kinds of people, keep people away from receiving healthcare, or push them into poverty or keep them there, force them to become wage-slaves to maybe afford a roof over their head as to not die from exposure, then they do in fact want people to die - it is a direct result of many conservative policies.
@@stammesbruder It's not that deep
This is because he doesn't actually HAVE a definition of what makes a human life valuable. He knows that it is valuable, but he has no defined reason for it. And so he just spews what sounds right in the moment, which does not actually align with the rest of his beliefs.
its the paradox of tolerance, basically you cant be tolerant against people that are intolerant against you, against intolerant people you have to also be intolerant or else you are done
I don't think the other guy wants to start comparing stats on who has killed more lol.
Yeah... religion has been one of the largest causes of wars, genocide, slavery, and murder in general in the world for thousands of years. The younger guy is crazy as fuck but the preacher should have known better on that part.
that poor guy, i hope he finds the help and love he needs.
Well, I actually felt embarrassed for some reason... how can anyone behave like that in public and think they are normal...
It's indoctrination.
pretty much every university and college is full of these guys, my friend
Not only normal, this kid felt cool doing that cringe shit.
It's only the sane people who question if they're sane.
Bros definitely regretting it now 😂
I’m a dog walking physician.
What ever happened to the woman the physician was simping for? She never came back to respond after the physician tried defending her 3rd monitor.
Are you telling me a dog is walking this physician?
@@andrewlacerenza667 disabled discord invites, nuked her channel, and went radio silent.
@@andrewlacerenza667 I heard there will be 3rd blindfold attempt in the making to definitely prove she can do it but it was only a rumor.
@Mytelefe i heard that a couple of weeks ago, if she wasn't lying and everyone is wrong, why is it taking so long to release another one? I think she permanently cooked.
lol at the drones clapping
"are the people who wanna kill you with us right now?"
That scream stance is the 6 year old im standing up to my parents because i want nuggies energy.
The walking back and forth really sells it
I remember throwing one hell of a tantrum when I was 5 because we were out of dino nuggies and honey mustard. My mom told me to just eat the regular nuggets with barbeque sauce but I told her I only wanted the dino ones and I didn't want barbeque sauce. I ran around screaming, crying, breaking my toys, basically destroying the house.
I ended up crying myself to sleep and my mom didn't get me dino nuggies for another month and I learned to just eat the normal ones.
He’s gonna fight by earning a degree in yappology
He's singing a whole Bohemian Yapsody already
so close to landing a 'yappling' comment. Fighters gotta grapple, yappers gotta yapple
He's fluent in Yapanese.
That dude shouldn't be allowed to walk around free. He's dangerous
That guy’s life is just going to be a series of one night stands that get farther apart each time
Brah, that dude needs to be watched. He looks to me like one of those dudes that walk into a crowded place and just starts mowing people down. No joke.
Fr, he seems legitimately unstable. But no, FBI will rather monitor "racists" on Facebook.
Fuck thats a good one 😂
@@Zaque-TV no thats the likely outcome if you feel like everyone wants to kill you thats a clinical condition which can end up with you taking action first...
@@Zaque-TV I don't think he was joking that dudes a menace 💀💀💀
Hes most likely already being monitored for the way he was mentioning revolution and threats of violence.
"I'll fight for the revolution."
My brother, you don't look like you could last 1 minute in a fight without being winded.
I love when this guy comes to campus and I get to hear people cry.
Villains origin story, it's not the quiet ones you watch out for.
This guy talks big about how he will fight but you bet your ass if civil war breaks out in america then this guy will be on the first flight to Europe.
Guess what happens to people who don't believe in guns during a revolution.
and then europe will explode for no reason
Europe? Try Canada.
Europe is already talking about mandatory military service, he's gonna have to go somewhere else.
Europe will be in its own civil war soon. Maybe he can go to China since he is quoting a certain red book.
why is the man barrista yelling at us give me my coffee man!
he must've been waiting for that moment his entire life
how exhausting must it be getting that angry and irrational, screaming against imaginary enemies "trying to kill you"
This is the kind of dude who'll go to a protest rally without knowing why the people/person that is being protested is being protested. The mob makes people like this feel important.
On the contrary. It is exhilirating, adrenaline fueling and megalomaniac. That is why they do it, they are animals addicted to the most immidiate of gratifications.
Sadly nothing is more exhilarating than being justifiably righteous in your rage. When you have every right and reason to be angry and yell. The cathartic release mixed with the knowledge of righteousness and doing something good. It gives a rush like no other.
The issue is that it's addictive and if you don't know self control you'll look for any reason to be in this righteous rage and it leads to insane individuals getting angry over anything for their next hit.
Anything can be addictive especially that which releases endorphins.
This is the equivalent of a dog that don't get enough stimulation, you'd be surprised how people would get a lot more level headed if they worked some hard labour for 8 hours and come home realising they dont have the energy for completely meaningless shit and might realise what's actually important to them.
Lmao he is literally the boy that cried wolf.
as an atheist, I agree with the preacher. He's the sensible one in this interaction, the "revolutionary" is making a damn fool of himself.
Then you aren't an atheist.
Agreed.
Nah, the preacher only looks sensible compared to this shouting lunatic. But he claims Stalin murdered 20 milion people because he was an atheist. This is a terrible argument.
Yeah man it’s sad to see this dude lose his mind.
You can't be an atheist if you agree with him.
That dude has seen one anime too many. Melodramatic as hell.
I think both are making very dumb arguments but at least one isn't malding. That helps a lot
“I am right about everything because this boogeyman I invented wants to kill me.”
Damn that guys going down the whole china's cultural revolution route.
I'm sure he has a red book somewhere with him.
Cancel culture is the Maoist struggle session
The Three Kingdoms period in China is probably the most interesting period of history in the world. They kept boatloads of documents and scriptures from that time period so you can basically experience a lot of it yourself through your imagination as there aren't many blanks to fill in.
Cliffe Knechtle is so knowledgeable and respectful of the ones he is talking with. Check out some of his talks, it is quite the something to witness.
"People have innate value, unless you disagree with me"
So I'm to believe that the revolutionary doesn't want to kill their opposition?
Call me crazy, but I'm going to have to politely decline.
His estrogen rage has been bottled up for too long.
the soy is strong in this one
may the soy be with him.
That guy is 101% a fed.
"I will fight!!!!"
😂😂😂😂😂
"They are barbarians. Barbarism is not an ideology, not a political party, not a religion. It is a state of undeveloped savagery which simple and primitive emotions hold sway. It is a mob." -John C. Wright.
He was writing about americans?
Who is the dumdass that says that barbarians is an ideology, it's just caveman mentality just like me 😎
That sounds very ornate and deep...
So this guy you are quoting is saying N@zis where Barbarians? It's basically the same root that the guy in the video is pulling from...
@@hiiambarney4489 The quote was specifically talking about woke mobs.
It's a class focusing in attack
"THEY GONNA KILL ME AND MY FRIENDS!"
Bro is gonna get Chipotle and starbucks after, while driving the car, his parents bought him.
Meanwhile, little Iwika in Africa has to get water from the river for his whole village
A lot of the problems in modern society stem from a complete and utter lack of any appreciation whatsoever. As you said, this kid is spoiled senseless just getting to live in the west, and yet he acts like this. His parents failed him miserably.
Dudes going down LBJ to shit up the Smoothie King.
Can anyone give the title or link on UA-cam to the full video?
Not so easy now is it Mr revolutionary? Can't just ban people IRL like in your echo chambers lol
In america. In britain, the christian would have been arrested for espousing christian views in public like that lady who got arrested for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.
@werewolf873 You should see the actual preachers in U.K being removed off streets while those of a certain other religion can hand out books and fliers and talk about how much they hate everyone who isn't their group.
Mao and Stalin permabanned a bunch of people irl
The soy energy is raidiating through the screen. Help!
Cant help you, we also suffering here
When you get into a debate with someone and they are cool, calm and collective, and you are screaming and swearing, expect to lose immediately.
The dude is straight up a NPC.
Bring back asylums
If we did that who would vote Democrat?
Maybe these people should go pay a visit to Dr. Lobo Tomy.
I get that this is a common thing for Asmon to say, but I hope you understand that the asylums were terrible places riddled with abuse and despair.
@@intimacy2138 sounds like exactly what these people deserve.
Who got rid of them? Oh right, conservatives
When you demonize other people or society instead of tackling your own weaknesses, you become radicalized.
I demonize society and it's tribalism and supposed need for duality in all things and I'm not radicalized. In fact, I live in a small rural community with my wife and our child working for myself instead of making a boss wealthy and live a frugal lifestyle filled with love, common sense, and rationality.
If I took part in a "normal" life of working for 40+ years at a regular job, renting an apartment in a city, and retiring and blowing all of my money in a decade or two and not passing on generational wealth I'd probably be radicalized though.
Hell, I could see myself pulling a D-Fens from Falling Down! A life of wage slavery and debt with minimal freedom sounds worse than prison to me.
I build transmissions in my garage and I only have to build 1 or 2 a month (maybe 5-10 hours of labor) and I have all the bills and groceries covered and everything after that is gravy. No taxes, no bosses, no rules, I can smoke pot or drink whenever I want, wear whatever I want, make love to my wife whenever I want, take my family on a vacation whenever I want, etc.
Yeah, I could make far more money working for AAMCO or another mass-production facility but there is no need to and I prefer being free. I paid my house off half a decade ago and only really need $800 a month to cover everything. I also undercut AAMCO by 50% so people get a far better deal going to me so I usually get 3-4 a month which means a lot of extra cash.
A welcome surprise to see a clip from this guy on your stream lol
bro calls the preacher a demagogue when exactly acting like one himself
That's my college and I always avoid these random gatherings. They often turn ridiculous and I've seen physical abuse against people exercising their right to free speech. Disgusting
Struggle sessions are real, y'all.
Which college is this?
Eh comrade
People in chat saying Mao isn't atheist but the CCP and Mao were atheist. He was a Buddhist as a child but abandoned it as he grew up
Doesn't surprise me. Some dumb people in chat.....
The CCP also destroyed almost every religious building and historical monument that went back thousands of years in China. You don't see tourists going to tour China to see their amazing old temples like in Japan because they don't exist anymore.
Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
Mao was an atheist, yes, but also a dictator and a communist. If one wants to link the millions of deaths to atheism specifically, they have to do better than just saying that he was part of that group. Mao was also a man - did he kill millions _because_ he was a man? Doubtful. And methinks being a dictator might be a tad more important than the atheist bit. Also important to note that Mao was regarded as a god, so while he was an atheist, the system he governed was decidedly not.
Correlation and causation, still getting mixed up.
In short, neither of the folks in the video are making good, sound arguments.
@@cattysplat Yup, they also replaced Monks with party members to control all the religions.
Scooter ain't going to be in the hills.
Billy Eichner really mellowed out since his college years
the confidence these kids have while being entirely ignorant of the real world and historical fact is astounding, like its genuinely scary to think they can vote
While I'm not defending the young person in question, it's important to note that older generations have a responsibility to educate the younger ones about how the world works. However, due to the rapid pace of modern life, many older people struggle to keep up, leading young people to seek knowledge and wisdom from the internet. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean that young people are often teaching each other, which can be problematic when things go wrong and there's no one to guide them back on the right path. It's unfair to solely blame the younger generation for ignorance when they haven't been properly taught, but at the same time, they must take responsibility for their own actions. In short, both generations have a role to play in ensuring that young people are equipped with the knowledge and skills they need to navigate the world.
That would be because ignorance is our natural state and we are far too lazy, limited by our bodies/minds to ever truly learn everything important for genuine evolution and progress. Well meme wise at least.
He actually does have a point. He is just extremely bad at presenting the argument. Capitalism naturally values profit more than anything. In the early days of it, there were no regulations. Kids were left in chimneys to die, if they got stuck while cleaning them, to name a single horrific example. There was no meaningful compensation for losing your hand in a machine either for the longest time. To this day, the lowest on the capitalist work-chain perform manual labour with sub-standard or outright inadequate equipment - safety regulations are often ignored. Companies have lost interest in what the stakeholders need in exchange for the interests of shareholders, and that shift was made decades ago. People do, in fact, die for the sake of capital, daily. Just take healthcare as a single example: Policies that reduce the accessibility to healthcare lead to higher reliance on private insurances, which are harder and harder to afford and still don't cover you completely. This in turn leads to less people being able to seek out, let alone receive, the treatment they need. This is a single example of how conservative policies lead to thousands of deaths in the name of capitalism.
People die because the capitalist interests of the few are being placed higher than human lives. Such people (in power) do pose a legitimate threat to the well-being of society. Though I would argue that reclaiming that power would be sufficient, I can see why someone who is directly (and negatively) affected by the voting habits of conservatives gets up in arms against those who literally make it harder to just get by on a weekly basis. It's hard not to take things personally, when your future hinges on the decisions some rich sacks (who haven't been able to relate to the common man for half a century) make to get their own stocks up.
@@stammesbruder conservative voting habits don’t matter because the Dems have been destroying our economy for upwards of 70 years.
The issue people have is that their economy is constantly being attacked and their money is constantly being devalued, we could easily live like our grandparents with cheap quality housing for single income families.
But almost everything the left supports takes us further and further away from that.
Great example is the regulation leftists often love, they don’t realize the majority of regulation does not exist for their own interest but infact to decrease the likelihood of any individual person making their own living.
Ironically they often support corporate backed regulation that exists solely for that purpose, and then they truly believe anyone who wants to make it easier for the average person to work for themselves is somehow “a corporate bootlicker”
It all stems from the fact most people don’t have the economic knowledge to understand where are issues are coming from, I couldn’t tell you how many leftists I’ve seen in the last few months genuinely argue that inflation does not exist at all.
@@stammesbruder Yes people have exploited capitalism at the cost of human life, just like people will exploit any position of power. The fact still remains that capitalism has provided more opportunity and economic mobility for commoners and their descendants than any ill-conceived leftist alternative...which is why people from all around the world have flocked to capitalist societies for over a century, while virtually nobody (including this twerp) leaves despite having all the freedom to do so.
Nothing wrong with being an atheist but the guy should never join a debate again...
Yup, and shouting just makes you look liek you don't have any real arguments.
He's not an atheist, he's a commie, and that ought not to be associated with atheism, as there are atheists on the left and right.
Atheist leaders killed people, Religious leaders killed people, it's not about belief, it's about seeing each other as human being... and that guy failed to do that...
That wasn't the message from the "debate" that you were supposed to get... because that's not what was said.
@@TheJeevo92messages are lost when you make a scene. He made the message him needing to be in a padded room