I am sooooo excited to finally get to show off my art of Greyhawk! One of my first pieces that's mostly traditionally painted in acrylic, it's a milestone piece for my work.
Bruce! Your art of the City of Greyhawk is *ALREADY* iconic! It's probably THE best artistic depiction of the City that we've ever seen! The "Great Library of Greyhawk" wiki has already included a thumbnail of your art in the "Cityscape" section!
@@greyhawkonline That's amazing! It's been mindblowing to get to contribute to these places I grew up with as a kid just discovering D&D. So much nostalgia!
My brother and I had bunk beds as kids, and the world of Greyhawk, two big huge poster maps decorated our bedroom.. Fast forward to our 2024 campaign with our friends we've gamed with for 40+ years.. It's just nice to see a nod to this classic setting, early modules, memories of our lives together.
Same here. As a 13 year old, all I had was the basic blue box then some friends who had the main books. Greyhawk was it. With it's modules and an an imagination. I am currently using it as a 57 year old man. So many bad guys in that setting. Iuz, The Scarlet Brotherhood, the drow, The Pomaj, ect; ect.
I think the sparseness of the Greyhawk setting comes down to it was created by a war-gamer, whereas a setting like the Forgotten Realms was created by an author (or really several at this point have shaped the Realms).
Damn. I am someone who uses digital for 90% of what I use as a DM. Yet, here I am in 2024 feeling compelled to buy physical books for the first time in 10 years. I am glad WotC was able to put together a successful value prop for the physical books again.
Greyhawk is amazing. The lean aspect of the setting is a gift to a DM. You get an outline to work with but have room to make it your own and not be trapped. You have some great regions, countries, villians, and adventure potential.
I'm just gonna say it. Greyhawk is better than Faerun. There's almost too much in Faerun and trying to play it right has an expectation. Sure, Greyhawk does, too, but not like that. It feels like a fan world made for me.
The Hommlet, Slave Lords, Against the Giants and Vault of the Drow are the greatest adventures ever created. Mr Gygax was a creative genius, and I have the fondest memories of playing through these throughout my youth. I’m glad to see Greyhawk is being revisited.
Going to miss Chris Perkins as the lead for Dungeons and Dragons. Through all of the turmoil, I've been able to look beyond the distasteful corporate elements, because I knew he was the steward for the actual product. Thank you, Mr. Perkins for everything.
God, I'm getting hellacious flashbacks to the early days of my gaming. I owned the Greyhawk box, and that map and those nations are indelibly printed on my mind. I might not be able to identify every nation in our world, but I instantly recognise the nations and principalities of Greyhawk. I wonder if we get an update for Temple of Elemental Evil, Scourge of the Slavelords and Queen of the Demonweb Pits. Good times.
I had the Greyhawk map on my wall back in the 80’s and I loved staring at all the locations and imagining all the unexplored terrain and undiscovered dungeons just waiting to be explored. It was a great campaign setting. I’ll love revisiting this setting with this release…
The original box set of Forgotten Realms was this way. A little detail here and there, and then some areas with more detailed history... it wasn't until the massive amount of material that started coming out that it was so fleshed out.
I'm curious about Greyhawk. Although I like the Forgotten Realms, the timeline feels, at least to me, like a mess. Even tough Greyhawk is the old, original (as far as I know), it feels fresh.
Greyhawk Grognard is that absolute best resource on youtube for this campaign world. I can't reccomend his channel enough. Greyhawk in many ways is more experimental than the Forgotten Realms and as they have said, it's deliberately spare for the DM to be able to fill in whatever gaps they care to. In many ways it's a darker, grittier world. The Free City of Greyhawk was Gary's version of the City of Lankhmar of Fritz Leiber and the adventures of Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. It's a fantastic campaign setting and there are so many great adventures to be had in it.
@@andrewlustfield6079 Ah, thanks! Something that really bothers me (and it might be nitpicking) about the Forgotten Realms, is the slapdash way the setting is built up. I mean, they just imported the Egyptian Gods into the Realms at some point. In my D&D, our Earth does "not exist", but if you can import stuff from our world, it opens a door that I would really have preferred to keep closed. 😁 But Greyhawk is a bit grittier and traditional, and I'm all for it!
@@laughingpanda4395 Mordinkainen is in the Realms? Seriously? The circle of eight is all Greyhawk--Bigby, Mordenkainen, Tenser, Otto, Otiluke, Nystul, Rary, and Drawmij. Hell, Mordenkainen was Gary Gygax's character if memory serves. How on earth did they wind up being Realms characters? Elminster, the Simbul, Zas-Tam--they belong to the realms. The circle of eight belong in Greyhawk. That's like putting Lord Robilar or Drizzt in Krynn.
@andrewlustfield6079 yeah. They put him in strahds domain of barovia for that book. From there he escaped to Fae rûn. They've taken lots of greyhawk characters.
I know no one wants to talk about it but the town of fallcrest and its surrounding area was in the 4th edition DM guide so it has been done before in a DM guide. I’ve still used that town even after 5th edition hit
That's what I was going to say too. And the 4e DMG 2 had the setting of Sigil (the city of doors) featured in it too. I really liked the Nentir Vale too.
@@dwil0311 But what is a campaign setting? Is there a minimum square mileage? If a single continent on a larger planet can be a campaign setting, why can't a single valley on a larger continent be one?
every setting is that way- if you dont go buy all the other books. gh just hasnt been used in 30 years. if it takes hold again, wotc will publish everything they can to make money off of it.
I would love to see James Wyatt creating more content for the game and videos with him explaining details about them. It is so inspiring the way he communicates and the passion he shows.
I don't disagree that the DMG shouldn't go into troop figures, but Perkins says its irrelevant. Note to future 5e authors, a complex war backdrop is one of Greyhawk's distinctions from other settings.
When Wyatt is talking about the chapter size he keeps comparing the 30 pages to a 320 page setting book, could he be thinking about the Forgotten Realms Players Guide coming out next year as the 320 page setting book?
Blackmoor was the first campaign setting. Greyhawk was just Gygax’s setting. But Dave Arneson created blackmoor first, though Greyhawk was published first.
This is the part of the DMG I am MOST excited about! Although even the thing I am least excited about, the pre-made adventures, I am still extremely excited about! I think it's safe to say that seeing what is in the DMG on Greyhawk is my RPG event of the year, excluding the PHB reveals.
The 1980 version was 30 pages, then the 1983 version came out which was 80 pages for the fantasy setting and 48 pages for the glossary, and came with a big greyhawk map, written by the man himself Gary Gygax (this for me is the definitive version).
Cool, I always preferred the feel of Greyhawk. Although, and I might sound uninformed here, it's not that radically different from Forgotten Realms. The main difference from what I can tell is there isn't as many large-scale magical events in the current era, and magic is a little less of a common utility, and it skews more medieval/knighty than the more renaissance/merchanty-feeling FR. But all the other common 1st-party components are shared between the two. But wondering how much that will all change for Greyhawk, in order to match current sensibilities for brand.
Like they hit at, there was SO much room for Dm's with Greyhawk. I had a friend who ran a campaign in Greyhawk with lots of magic. My campaigns it was more rare and scary. Lots of nostalgia for me, but I'm also excited to see the newer version.
Greyhawk tended to adapt to suit the table and the fantasy of the time. It pulled from Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser through to Conan, and could swing from low-magic to crazy god-summon level stuff. The Realms became the repository for so many micro-settings and so much lore that it could either be a fanfic playground or a choose-your-own kitchen-sink setting. (Entire bookcases at B&N were just the Realms & Dragonlance 😅) Folks have diff preferences, and you're obviously not limited to Greyhawk vs FR. There's pretty much a published D&D-family setting for whatever kind of game you want to run, and you can definitely nudge or mix-&-match to suit your tastes.
well, if you ignore the fact there is a demigod controlling a nation. then another makes pacts with demons. then there is the circle of 8. and vecna and all the other liches. not counting *ALL* that magic, yeah, magic isnt a big deal.
@@mandisaw thats cause wotc didnt want to pay gygax any money, so they found a new world. and the more people liked it, the more stuff they produced. thats how capitalism works. greyhaw will do the same, if people buy enough of the books.
@@tooslow4065 No, the Realms is from back when TSR ran the company, when Gygax was still part of the leadership. They started publishing Ed Greenwood's Realms modules in the mid to late 80s. WotC didn't buy TSR until over a decade later (late 90s). The Realms itself was Greenwood's personal invention from before D&D existed, just like Greyhawk was Gygax's (and Dave Arneson's).
cool, my 1st character was a Valley Elf... while I know they are just "High Elves" in 5th, I'm really hoping some of the regional cultures do get a fresh coat of paint. Because "Extra tall Chaotic Neutral Xenophobic Elf" is not really flushed out.
Chris Perkins is a legend! It is not clear to me that the links in the description for the DM Guide include the Greyhawk material they are describing in the video.
I cut my teeth in Decent to the Depths of the Earth! I’ve waited for a very long time for the first world to return. Finally, we will see where real power came from. Watch your back. The Brotherhood is always watching!
I think Perkins is wrong when he says they have never presented a city hub in the DMG before. I seem to recall the Nentir Vale was presented in DMG 2 for 4e, unless he means it's not as fleshed out as Grayhawk seems to be for 2024, but I don't think it's never been done before unless I am misremembering things
@@IPv6Freely I am playing the dragonlance campaign and we enjoy it, but it is pretty straight foward. I am not that well versed with that world and i’ve only read Autumn of twilight. I know a lot of people were disappointed, i’d be curious to know why you think that? What did you feel they changed ? Just curious here
@thebenjamintremblay If you haven't ever played the original modules/campaign don't worry you are not missing anything. The world the lore the concept were all amazing. The actual published adventure modules were the worst case if railroading ever printed. They tried to force the party to just relive the novels. They actually tell the DM to force the players to do certain things to keep them inline with the story arc TSR had laid out.
@@IPv6Freely I mean, Greyhawk isn't even getting its own book. The art looks cool, and I'm glad an older setting is getting some love for the Anniversary - but can't we at least get a digital excerpt? I've no need for an entire DMG that I can't download to PDF (or at least Kindle).
so excited for greyhawk content! like many, came into dnd through 5th edition and the forgotten realms, but recently got into some of the older raveloft modules through curse of strahd and would love a stepping stone to get into greyhawk as well.
LOL at the idea of "leanness" as a selling feature 😅 "We've added less content, but that's good!" lol Still stoked for the book and the Greyhawk goodness ❤
I can only assume the Keep on the Borderlands starter set will also be set in Greyhawk as well as the ten short The Dragon Anthology adventures where it's not generic. After that the Forgotten Realms setting books come out and it will probably be forgotten again as the template.
At this rate we'll get birthright before mystara. I mean I wouldn't be opposed to a new birthright setting book but mystara need one first and dark sun will probably take like 10-15 years before people become comfortable with dark settings again so it's a wait and see situation now.
@@justinterry8894 Dark Sun got a 4e update. Some stuff is good, some stuff YMMV. They're barely touching Greyhawk - just an extra part of the DMG - so I don't think the actual policy around publishing settings has changed. They like the Realms, they [mostly] own the Realms, they clearly want to guide ppl to Realms products. Lots of interesting settings are lying fallow, including the Known World, but folks can always buy the older edition books and update / pillage accordingly.
It's great that Greyhawk is getting some love again and will be especially useful for new players with no prior knowledge of the setting. It could also be one of the most controversial chapters of the DMG in that the legions of Greyhawk devotees might cry foul over the liberties taken by the writers (which they freely admit to doing). Let's see what happens after publication.
What I want to know is if they rewound the timeline to 576 or at least acknowledge that the Greyhawk Wars happened. Even better if they continue from where Living Greyhawk left off but I'm not holding my breath.
An interesting point. While there's _certainly_ nothing wrong with placing products at differing points in GH's timeline, this seems to be earlier. But, it would be nice if they would _acknowledge_ the rest of the history like the Greyhawk Wars, From the Ashes, and years following. _BUUUUTT_ .... The new Beadle & Grimm's "Premium Map Collection" contains some information on the DMs Screen in it, relating to the Greyhawk content (in preview images). B&G has said the majority of their content is pulled straight from WotC. *Sental Nurev* is still alive and still the captain general of the *City Watch* . *Otiluke* is still alive, and both he and *Jallarzi Sallavarian* (who didn't join the Co8 'til 581) are in the *Circle of Eight* . Nurev dies in 583, and Otiluke dies in the attack on the *Day of Great Signing* at the end of the *Greyhakw Wars* . So, not earlier than 581 CY (because Jallarzi), and not later than 583 CY (because Nurev). But, that's surmising, and it's unclear yet if that's what they intend, or not. They could tweak dates. (?)
it's 576. Greyhawk Wars kind of ruined the tone of greyhawk (greyhawk isn't a grimdark setting, we have enough of those) so I don't really enjoy it. I'd prefer they leave that as an alternate timeline or something
Meanwhile I'm currently building a world that is fully fleshed out because I hate having loose descriptions as a DM. 😅 I want to know what the shop sells, who runs the shop and who works for them. 🤣
I'm wondering how the greyhawk adventures on oerth can fuse with the forgotten realms adventures in toril. Because it's a completely different world. Hoping that the world of toril will also be built on more. Because the main focus there is on Faerûn. I really hoped the 2024 would've been more focused on the complete world building. Connecting continents and such. So 2 questions: - How to combine both worlds? - And what sources can I use to worldbuild further on toril? I've seen a book called dungeons and dragons worlds and realms. Would that be a good base?
You could always just declare that, in your campaign, Faerûn (the continent where most Forgotten Realms adventures take place) and Oerik (the continent where all Greyhawk adventures take place) are two continents on the same planet. This would be far from the official D&D canon, but who cares? As for worldbuilding on Toril - the Forgotten Realms Fandom wiki is an awesome resource.
you take the adventure and you put a mark on the map in FR where you want it to be. then either change the name (ie, instead of vecna you call him larloch or another name), or you say that iuz is an evil demigod that controls damara (instead of whatever the FR books say). done. pretty simple.
Evil servant of Iuz? *looks at one of my players playing a paladin of Iuz* Oo as an aside, do we now get the ship rules from Saltwater Marsh and Spelljammer in the DMG now?
Are there any plans to release other campaign settings? Is it encouraged to expand upon and share existing official settings in communities? I'm a huge fan of the Dark Sun setting, the Underdark, PlaneScape and the OD&D world of Mystara. I love edition conversions and homebrewing, especially high level progression. I always look at this from a world building perspective. Like a hidden layer of the world (of roughly level 11-20 characters, but more powerful) in between mortals and gods. Funny enough not just to zoom in on the big power struggles, but how these trickle down in the bigger world and affect the common people. So there is a backdrop of historic events going on and much more that is secretive and can be uncovered over time. One change I intend to incorporate is to replace evil species with evil organizations and chaotic/unlawful cultures. Elves for instance could look alike at birth, and only at high level start to evolve into a special being by choice, be they Eladrin, Drow or something else entirely. And only then gain longevity. Similarly I want a mixed population of "goblinoids", humans, elves and other species with barbarian cultures, and parts of the lands they inhabit turned more civilized. So there could be an invasion of Madmaxians, not the trope of evil orcs. Greyhawk might be a perfect setting to practice with these ideas!
Just a note, Blackmoor/Mystara pre-date Greyhawk by about a year as the first use of Blackmoor by Arneson was in 1971 and Greyhawk was first listed as being used by Gygax in 1972.
I really do hope they follow up with a World of Greyhawk campaign book, but why has it taken them so long to do so. It amazes me how in one edition I have gone from loving this TTRPG to really hating it.
A lot of them are puns, anagrams, or references. The name Greyhawk itself is a historical reference, to the Sauk warchief Blackhawk (1767-1838). A ton of the other placenames are based on friends of Gygax (like the Grand Duchy of.....Geoff, pronounced "Jeff."). Vecna is an anagram of Vance, as in Jack Vance the fantasy novelist. There's a bunch of stuff like that.
I'm looking forward to Japanese release but I wonder if my people can stomach the lack of details and overall vagueness of it. I don't think the base mentality of Western TTRPGs supporting creativity is not explained enough and boy, how uncreative my people are.
The lack of details is exactly what's needed to strike out creativity. You need only the clue, to force the human brain to fill in the blanks for the rest of the content. Modern DMs, youtubers had had exact same complaints towards old-school settings. They are too used to having a full scripts of stories to run like a reading machine. Remember this stuff has been around for 50 years. You need only to search, you don't have to wait for the DMG to come out.
I wish. They do not have to pay Ed anything unfortunately- but he is happy with the sale as it allowed him to write and sell many many many books that would not have otherwise been published 0:02
I love the discussion on BBEGs. I hope we get a big book of NPCs. All the named villains, heroes, helpers, and free agents of Greyhawk, The Realms, Eberron, and all the other major campaign settings
The 5e "Ghosts of Saltmarsh" also included regional information about Saltmarsh and the factions and such there. But, that doesn't make it a whole setting.
Fun Fact: Greyhawk's Wildspace System is geocentric. The sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies revolve around Oerth, the planet on which the setting takes place. Idk if this is mentioned anywhere in the DMG or if they changed it; but it's just a little something I found out through lore delving that I thought would be interesting to share with those who don't know.
Even Chris Perkins has forgotten 4e! They have, in fact, fleshed out a campaign hub full of taverns, temples, NPCs, etc... Fallcrest and the Nentir Vale have long outlived the edition for which they were created. This should eclipse the Vale in scope, both in page count and population (city vs town, half-continent vs single vale). I've been studying Greyhawk in recent months; and if I get to use it, I'll likely place a version of the Nentir Vale somewhere therein.
What 4e books were these published in, and do you think theyre still worth getting or would it be equally as effective to read a wiki/content online to learn about them?
@@Jacerme It's in the 4e DMG. Even 4e-haters generally acknowledge that this is an excellent book. In my opinion, it's the best DMG ever published, though I hope 5e24 can meet or exceed it. The pdf is only $9.99 on DM's Guild. There were additional publications set in the Nentir Vale. "Madness at Gardmore Abby" is set in the Nentir Vale and is the best adventure WotC has ever published. "Reavers of Harkenwold" is an amazing adventure (probably my favorite), and a great way to start a campaign in the Vale (or adapt it for elsewhere). It is found in the 4e Dungeon Master's Kit. I'd start with PDFs of those, but there's definitely more. "Hammerfast" is an unusual Dwarven community that is unique in that dwarves and orcs there have a "cease-fire" in the city for reasons detailed in the supplement. I could list more, but you get it. The Nentir Vale ended up being quite well supported via published adventures and both the Dungeon and Dragon digital magazines. Everything is still available via PDF. I'm sure there must be fan sites online that will let you dip your toes. It's a cool little setting, with an excellent pantheon, planar cosmology (first clear codifying of the Feywild and Shadowfell), etc...
Nentir Vale wasn't actually supposed to be a setting. It first appeared in the 4e DMG as a generic example of a town and a region for newb DMs to use, but then they wound up sticking a bunch of adventure modules in the area, and it became a real, if smallish, setting. Greyhawk on the other hand is way more fleshed out
To be fair Greyhawk perfectly did the Points of Light, lots of fallen empires of Nentir Vale first. In fact it was dumbfounding we never got an official 4th edition Greyhawk setting
@@MollymaukT Greyhawk is somewhat more developed than Nentir Vale. Let's be real: a lot of Greyhawk "lore" is bits from here and there, scattered across various sources across years. By the end, Nentir Vale/Fallen Nerath was very well developed.
@videogollumer he did, but when d&d was first created there was no Greyhawk setting as of yet. It came out soon after, but Blackmoore holds the title of the first setting since Arneson was running d&d games within the setting prior to Greyhawk's release.
Correct. However, it's clear that when they are saying "first campaign setting", they are talking about in reference to the publication of D&D, the game/brand.
It was designed to be settings neutral. It can be anywhere in GH or even Mystara where governing bodies are unable to reach with their influence, requiring PCs to step in. It fits more on Mystara because the Known World has a lot more frontier borderlands for it to fit in.
Man its been a min. Isnt greyhawk where Oarth is? Azalin is definitely my next BBEG. I know a lot of the known characters originated in greyhawk but its been a lot of years since i even thought about greyhawk. Looking forward to this.
I think Oerth is the name of the world. Greyhawk is a city that can act as the main campaign hub and is the most famous part of the setting. Like Baldur's Gate in Forgotten Realms
@@videogollumer Waterdeep is the closest parallel, for Undermountain and Castle Greyhawk fill a very similar role as megadungeons. Greyhawk is important as a neutral meeting ground for all powers with much wealth thanks to the riches discovered by the adventurers that delve the megadungeon of Castle Greyhawk. Baldur's gate maps more closely to Dyvers who is the rival city to Greyhawk and more focused on sea trade and eventually a refuge for the Shield Landers which is a similar role to the Elturian refugees in Baldur's Gate. Either Irongate or Verbonbonc can work like Sylverymoon since both the Iron Alliance against the Great Kingdom and Prince Thrommel's alliance of Emridy Meadows is similar to the alliances of the Silvery Marches. Neverwinter maps more to kingdoms and their capitals as that's kinda what Neverember is creating if he continues spreading his "goodwill" from its hardened artisans and laborers and grows more influence. Keoland and its coastal cities Gradsul and Safeton works the best for their situation of rebuilding goodwill with neighboring countries while dealing with the piracy of the Sea Princes around Saltmarsh, which is similar to what's going on in Luskan, and the Neverwinter area is also the suggested location for porting Saltmarsh to the Forgotten Realms.
I think they should release a version of this Greyhawk map without the names. It doesn't make sense for them to encourage the DM to take their own approach to this world and then have to use these established names if they decide to do so.
so gygax creates greyhawk. then tsr fires him and tosses out greyhawk. wotc buys tsr, then buys forgotten realms and that becomes the default world. then gygax dies and now greyhawk is back in the picture?
any chance of u asking in one of the interviews is the Greyhawk revival just a one off, or does WotC intend giving us more (and hopefully new) GH products ???
2:02 ... ah great [sarcasm], they're trying to sell their laziness as a good thing. We know we can make adventures our own. We can add and change things all we like. When we buy a product, we want it to be fleshed out, not thread bare. If we need to make up the details ourselves, we don't need to buy your product.
I am sooooo excited to finally get to show off my art of Greyhawk! One of my first pieces that's mostly traditionally painted in acrylic, it's a milestone piece for my work.
Bruce! Your art of the City of Greyhawk is *ALREADY* iconic! It's probably THE best artistic depiction of the City that we've ever seen! The "Great Library of Greyhawk" wiki has already included a thumbnail of your art in the "Cityscape" section!
Can't wait to see! The best setting!
Hey man! Thanks for making great art for this great game! 🦈❤️
@@greyhawkonline That's amazing! It's been mindblowing to get to contribute to these places I grew up with as a kid just discovering D&D. So much nostalgia!
@@Birthday_Shark My pleasure! It's been great to be part of this.
My brother and I had bunk beds as kids, and the world of Greyhawk, two big huge poster maps decorated our bedroom..
Fast forward to our 2024 campaign with our friends we've gamed with for 40+ years..
It's just nice to see a nod to this classic setting, early modules, memories of our lives together.
As an 80’s kid who was too poor to have access to Greyhawk info, I’m really looking forward to having this in my library
Same here. As a 13 year old, all I had was the basic blue box then some friends who had the main books. Greyhawk was it. With it's modules and an an imagination. I am currently using it as a 57 year old man. So many bad guys in that setting. Iuz, The Scarlet Brotherhood, the drow, The Pomaj, ect; ect.
I think the sparseness of the Greyhawk setting comes down to it was created by a war-gamer, whereas a setting like the Forgotten Realms was created by an author (or really several at this point have shaped the Realms).
Well put.
must be why greyhawk had more adventures printed up than any other campaign setting released by tsr/wotc
Damn. I am someone who uses digital for 90% of what I use as a DM. Yet, here I am in 2024 feeling compelled to buy physical books for the first time in 10 years. I am glad WotC was able to put together a successful value prop for the physical books again.
Greyhawk is amazing. The lean aspect of the setting is a gift to a DM. You get an outline to work with but have room to make it your own and not be trapped. You have some great regions, countries, villians, and adventure potential.
I'm just gonna say it. Greyhawk is better than Faerun. There's almost too much in Faerun and trying to play it right has an expectation. Sure, Greyhawk does, too, but not like that. It feels like a fan world made for me.
@@chaseguymon3086 then you're not using FR right.
Totally agree. Greyhawk portfolio had just enough information to spark a DM’s imagination. And so many different tropes to play into.
The Hommlet, Slave Lords, Against the Giants and Vault of the Drow are the greatest adventures ever created. Mr Gygax was a creative genius, and I have the fondest memories of playing through these throughout my youth. I’m glad to see Greyhawk is being revisited.
Going to miss Chris Perkins as the lead for Dungeons and Dragons. Through all of the turmoil, I've been able to look beyond the distasteful corporate elements, because I knew he was the steward for the actual product. Thank you, Mr. Perkins for everything.
i remember when he was just an editor for dragon magazine.
God, I'm getting hellacious flashbacks to the early days of my gaming. I owned the Greyhawk box, and that map and those nations are indelibly printed on my mind. I might not be able to identify every nation in our world, but I instantly recognise the nations and principalities of Greyhawk. I wonder if we get an update for Temple of Elemental Evil, Scourge of the Slavelords and Queen of the Demonweb Pits. Good times.
I had the Greyhawk map on my wall back in the 80’s and I loved staring at all the locations and imagining all the unexplored terrain and undiscovered dungeons just waiting to be explored. It was a great campaign setting. I’ll love revisiting this setting with this release…
Finally, I get to use a map of the Flanaess where the .jpeg file isn't literally older than I am.
Check out Anna Meyer's online maps, that takes playing in GH to a whole new level
The original box set of Forgotten Realms was this way. A little detail here and there, and then some areas with more detailed history... it wasn't until the massive amount of material that started coming out that it was so fleshed out.
yep. and if you dont buy all the other stuff, you have that one simple guidebook to use. just like you would ig you had the original gh book.
I'm curious about Greyhawk. Although I like the Forgotten Realms, the timeline feels, at least to me, like a mess. Even tough Greyhawk is the old, original (as far as I know), it feels fresh.
Greyhawk Grognard is that absolute best resource on youtube for this campaign world. I can't reccomend his channel enough. Greyhawk in many ways is more experimental than the Forgotten Realms and as they have said, it's deliberately spare for the DM to be able to fill in whatever gaps they care to.
In many ways it's a darker, grittier world. The Free City of Greyhawk was Gary's version of the City of Lankhmar of Fritz Leiber and the adventures of Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser. It's a fantastic campaign setting and there are so many great adventures to be had in it.
@@andrewlustfield6079 Ah, thanks! Something that really bothers me (and it might be nitpicking) about the Forgotten Realms, is the slapdash way the setting is built up. I mean, they just imported the Egyptian Gods into the Realms at some point. In my D&D, our Earth does "not exist", but if you can import stuff from our world, it opens a door that I would really have preferred to keep closed. 😁
But Greyhawk is a bit grittier and traditional, and I'm all for it!
@@EirikBulla lot of the known characters used in the forgotten realms are originally from greyhawk. Like mordinkainen and Acererak for example.
@@laughingpanda4395 Mordinkainen is in the Realms? Seriously? The circle of eight is all Greyhawk--Bigby, Mordenkainen, Tenser, Otto, Otiluke, Nystul, Rary, and Drawmij. Hell, Mordenkainen was Gary Gygax's character if memory serves. How on earth did they wind up being Realms characters?
Elminster, the Simbul, Zas-Tam--they belong to the realms. The circle of eight belong in Greyhawk. That's like putting Lord Robilar or Drizzt in Krynn.
@andrewlustfield6079 yeah. They put him in strahds domain of barovia for that book. From there he escaped to Fae rûn. They've taken lots of greyhawk characters.
I know no one wants to talk about it but the town of fallcrest and its surrounding area was in the 4th edition DM guide so it has been done before in a DM guide. I’ve still used that town even after 5th edition hit
nentir vale is such a great setting
That's what I was going to say too. And the 4e DMG 2 had the setting of Sigil (the city of doors) featured in it too. I really liked the Nentir Vale too.
Fallcrest isn't a campaign setting. It's a region within a campaign setting. So no, it hasn't been done before.
They also said this is the first time a DMG has had an "Adventure Hub" in it.
@@dwil0311 But what is a campaign setting? Is there a minimum square mileage? If a single continent on a larger planet can be a campaign setting, why can't a single valley on a larger continent be one?
i like how Greyhawk allows for you to fill your own details and make adjustments
every setting is that way- if you dont go buy all the other books. gh just hasnt been used in 30 years. if it takes hold again, wotc will publish everything they can to make money off of it.
I love looking back at weird 70s-80s fantasy stuff, so this'll be fun for me!
I would love to see James Wyatt creating more content for the game and videos with him explaining details about them. It is so inspiring the way he communicates and the passion he shows.
Honestly for me there are very few misses in the PHB 2024. I'm actually really hopeful for this with what i've seen so far.
I don't disagree that the DMG shouldn't go into troop figures, but Perkins says its irrelevant. Note to future 5e authors, a complex war backdrop is one of Greyhawk's distinctions from other settings.
With the the bastions system coming, a kingdom scale warfare thing might happen. Otherwise MCDM has kingdom and warfare
We need more Justicar & Escala novels!
Greyhawk is also the origin of Vecna. I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned unless they are removing that.
Vecna wasn’t really a big part of the setting. There was his hand, eye and the sword of Kas as artifacts and that was it until much later.
When Wyatt is talking about the chapter size he keeps comparing the 30 pages to a 320 page setting book, could he be thinking about the Forgotten Realms Players Guide coming out next year as the 320 page setting book?
I'd be happy to have a 320 page GH setting book, if it was designed properly anyway
To enter the thieves quarter, it takes two silver and 5 copper.
Cannot wait!! Hurry up!
Blackmoor was the first campaign setting. Greyhawk was just Gygax’s setting. But Dave Arneson created blackmoor first, though Greyhawk was published first.
probably why chris said 'published' when talking about it.
This is the part of the DMG I am MOST excited about! Although even the thing I am least excited about, the pre-made adventures, I am still extremely excited about! I think it's safe to say that seeing what is in the DMG on Greyhawk is my RPG event of the year, excluding the PHB reveals.
Oooh do Rary the Traitor!
The 1980 version was 30 pages, then the 1983 version came out which was 80 pages for the fantasy setting and 48 pages for the glossary, and came with a big greyhawk map, written by the man himself Gary Gygax (this for me is the definitive version).
It’s the portfolio OG for me. I don’t need a whole chapter on trees.
Cool, I always preferred the feel of Greyhawk. Although, and I might sound uninformed here, it's not that radically different from Forgotten Realms. The main difference from what I can tell is there isn't as many large-scale magical events in the current era, and magic is a little less of a common utility, and it skews more medieval/knighty than the more renaissance/merchanty-feeling FR. But all the other common 1st-party components are shared between the two.
But wondering how much that will all change for Greyhawk, in order to match current sensibilities for brand.
Like they hit at, there was SO much room for Dm's with Greyhawk. I had a friend who ran a campaign in Greyhawk with lots of magic. My campaigns it was more rare and scary. Lots of nostalgia for me, but I'm also excited to see the newer version.
Greyhawk tended to adapt to suit the table and the fantasy of the time. It pulled from Fafhrd & the Grey Mouser through to Conan, and could swing from low-magic to crazy god-summon level stuff. The Realms became the repository for so many micro-settings and so much lore that it could either be a fanfic playground or a choose-your-own kitchen-sink setting. (Entire bookcases at B&N were just the Realms & Dragonlance 😅)
Folks have diff preferences, and you're obviously not limited to Greyhawk vs FR. There's pretty much a published D&D-family setting for whatever kind of game you want to run, and you can definitely nudge or mix-&-match to suit your tastes.
well, if you ignore the fact there is a demigod controlling a nation. then another makes pacts with demons. then there is the circle of 8. and vecna and all the other liches. not counting *ALL* that magic, yeah, magic isnt a big deal.
@@mandisaw thats cause wotc didnt want to pay gygax any money, so they found a new world. and the more people liked it, the more stuff they produced. thats how capitalism works. greyhaw will do the same, if people buy enough of the books.
@@tooslow4065 No, the Realms is from back when TSR ran the company, when Gygax was still part of the leadership. They started publishing Ed Greenwood's Realms modules in the mid to late 80s. WotC didn't buy TSR until over a decade later (late 90s).
The Realms itself was Greenwood's personal invention from before D&D existed, just like Greyhawk was Gygax's (and Dave Arneson's).
Greyhawk's war setting friendliness might be a good opportunity for a clever DM to insert Red Hand of Doom or Iron Fang Invasion.
cool, my 1st character was a Valley Elf... while I know they are just "High Elves" in 5th, I'm really hoping some of the regional cultures do get a fresh coat of paint. Because "Extra tall Chaotic Neutral Xenophobic Elf" is not really flushed out.
Yay! I want to run a game in Greyhawk! (Noob question: is grayhawk it's own planet?)
Greyhawk is on the planet of Oerth. Lots written on the Wikipedia entry for the city and other wikis.
Down the Spelljammer rabbit-hole we go….
So glad to see Greyhawk in the book. So many memories adventuring there.
Dave Arneson
Everyone forgets Dave, but he's why D&D is more than just a giant set of tables :(
Why didn't they hire Anna B Meyer and others like her that are very into this setting and have been this whole time, not just more recently.
Chris Perkins is a legend! It is not clear to me that the links in the description for the DM Guide include the Greyhawk material they are describing in the video.
I cut my teeth in Decent to the Depths of the Earth! I’ve waited for a very long time for the first world to return.
Finally, we will see where real power came from.
Watch your back. The Brotherhood is always watching!
Good job Gentleman. Rekindling my D&D love yet again! I have been playing since the Old Red and Blue Books. Basic and Advanced Days..lol
I think Perkins is wrong when he says they have never presented a city hub in the DMG before. I seem to recall the Nentir Vale was presented in DMG 2 for 4e, unless he means it's not as fleshed out as Grayhawk seems to be for 2024, but I don't think it's never been done before unless I am misremembering things
I've used Greyhawk many times but after the Dragonlance/Spelljammer books I'm not overly optimistic about their subtle and judicious tweaks.
Dragonlance was especially disappointing. One of the biggest settings with a ton of lore and it got a single half-hearted book and campaign.
@@IPv6Freely I am playing the dragonlance campaign and we enjoy it, but it is pretty straight foward. I am not that well versed with that world and i’ve only read Autumn of twilight. I know a lot of people were disappointed, i’d be curious to know why you think that? What did you feel they changed ? Just curious here
@thebenjamintremblay If you haven't ever played the original modules/campaign don't worry you are not missing anything. The world the lore the concept were all amazing. The actual published adventure modules were the worst case if railroading ever printed. They tried to force the party to just relive the novels. They actually tell the DM to force the players to do certain things to keep them inline with the story arc TSR had laid out.
I liked Spelljammer. Was better than Dragonlance at least. Not all their settings books can be like Ravenloft's.
@@IPv6Freely I mean, Greyhawk isn't even getting its own book. The art looks cool, and I'm glad an older setting is getting some love for the Anniversary - but can't we at least get a digital excerpt? I've no need for an entire DMG that I can't download to PDF (or at least Kindle).
Thank you, Chris, for acknowledging Gary's legacy.
if only he would have done that when gygax was alive.
@@tooslow4065was he in a position to?
@@RobOfTheNorth2001 yes. he's been there for a long time. not when gygax worked there, but he was there before he died.
"It made sense...Haayyyyy" Best part of the video
so excited for greyhawk content! like many, came into dnd through 5th edition and the forgotten realms, but recently got into some of the older raveloft modules through curse of strahd and would love a stepping stone to get into greyhawk as well.
The Rules Cyclopedia had the Known World (Mystara) in it.
LOL at the idea of "leanness" as a selling feature 😅 "We've added less content, but that's good!" lol Still stoked for the book and the Greyhawk goodness ❤
Im definitely using this when introducing DND to my new players & modifying this to connect to other adventures 🔥
Thank you! We want more lore!
Are there any plans for Greyhawk beyond the skeleton in the DMG? Revivify the setting?
I can only assume the Keep on the Borderlands starter set will also be set in Greyhawk as well as the ten short The Dragon Anthology adventures where it's not generic. After that the Forgotten Realms setting books come out and it will probably be forgotten again as the template.
@@idtent8993 probably right. besides, everything they said that was so great about this book has already been done in FR.
I trust Chris Perkins and James Wyatt to make a great book for dungeon Masters! We are in good hands
When in the Greyhawk timeline is it in the DMG?
Now for Mystara! I know you're saving the best for last, and now it's time for the known world to become known again
At this rate we'll get birthright before mystara. I mean I wouldn't be opposed to a new birthright setting book but mystara need one first and dark sun will probably take like 10-15 years before people become comfortable with dark settings again so it's a wait and see situation now.
Do we really want WoTC to touch Mystara?
@@justinterry8894 Dark Sun got a 4e update. Some stuff is good, some stuff YMMV. They're barely touching Greyhawk - just an extra part of the DMG - so I don't think the actual policy around publishing settings has changed. They like the Realms, they [mostly] own the Realms, they clearly want to guide ppl to Realms products.
Lots of interesting settings are lying fallow, including the Known World, but folks can always buy the older edition books and update / pillage accordingly.
Greyhawk sounds interessting. But will there be a new Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting!!😮😮😮
It's already been announced.
@@MoonMoverGaming Thanks for the Info!@👍👍 I love the Forgotten Realms campaign setting since the 1990s....
a dream come true!!!
It's great that Greyhawk is getting some love again and will be especially useful for new players with no prior knowledge of the setting. It could also be one of the most controversial chapters of the DMG in that the legions of Greyhawk devotees might cry foul over the liberties taken by the writers (which they freely admit to doing). Let's see what happens after publication.
What I want to know is if they rewound the timeline to 576 or at least acknowledge that the Greyhawk Wars happened. Even better if they continue from where Living Greyhawk left off but I'm not holding my breath.
An interesting point. While there's _certainly_ nothing wrong with placing products at differing points in GH's timeline, this seems to be earlier. But, it would be nice if they would _acknowledge_ the rest of the history like the Greyhawk Wars, From the Ashes, and years following.
_BUUUUTT_ .... The new Beadle & Grimm's "Premium Map Collection" contains some information on the DMs Screen in it, relating to the Greyhawk content (in preview images).
B&G has said the majority of their content is pulled straight from WotC.
*Sental Nurev* is still alive and still the captain general of the *City Watch* .
*Otiluke* is still alive, and both he and *Jallarzi Sallavarian* (who didn't join the Co8 'til 581) are in the *Circle of Eight* .
Nurev dies in 583, and Otiluke dies in the attack on the *Day of Great Signing* at the end of the *Greyhakw Wars* .
So, not earlier than 581 CY (because Jallarzi), and not later than 583 CY (because Nurev).
But, that's surmising, and it's unclear yet if that's what they intend, or not. They could tweak dates. (?)
it's 576. Greyhawk Wars kind of ruined the tone of greyhawk (greyhawk isn't a grimdark setting, we have enough of those) so I don't really enjoy it. I'd prefer they leave that as an alternate timeline or something
Does this mean we’ll finally get Kord’s Belt Of The Champion into D&D 5E?!
This is awesome! I hope they make a 5.5 version of The Village of Hommlet and Elemental Evil or even Cult of the Reptile God.
Scarlet Brotherhood intrigue!
I am a big fan of Waterdeep. I will still get the DMG but I'm hoping for an updated SCAG. How will Bastions work in the city of Greyhawk?
Less Detailed Greyhawk Campaign Setting + Vintage Conan the Barbarian Comic Book = Next Session!
Meanwhile I'm currently building a world that is fully fleshed out because I hate having loose descriptions as a DM. 😅
I want to know what the shop sells, who runs the shop and who works for them. 🤣
Have you ever read Ptolus? It's a great setting with lots of helpful details.
I'm wondering how the greyhawk adventures on oerth can fuse with the forgotten realms adventures in toril. Because it's a completely different world. Hoping that the world of toril will also be built on more. Because the main focus there is on Faerûn. I really hoped the 2024 would've been more focused on the complete world building. Connecting continents and such.
So 2 questions:
- How to combine both worlds?
- And what sources can I use to worldbuild further on toril?
I've seen a book called dungeons and dragons worlds and realms. Would that be a good base?
You could always just declare that, in your campaign, Faerûn (the continent where most Forgotten Realms adventures take place) and Oerik (the continent where all Greyhawk adventures take place) are two continents on the same planet.
This would be far from the official D&D canon, but who cares?
As for worldbuilding on Toril - the Forgotten Realms Fandom wiki is an awesome resource.
you take the adventure and you put a mark on the map in FR where you want it to be. then either change the name (ie, instead of vecna you call him larloch or another name), or you say that iuz is an evil demigod that controls damara (instead of whatever the FR books say). done. pretty simple.
Finaly ... PLease ..Vena Lives and a revamp of temple of Elemental Evil !
Evil servant of Iuz? *looks at one of my players playing a paladin of Iuz*
Oo as an aside, do we now get the ship rules from Saltwater Marsh and Spelljammer in the DMG now?
Are there any plans to release other campaign settings?
Is it encouraged to expand upon and share existing official settings in communities?
I'm a huge fan of the Dark Sun setting, the Underdark, PlaneScape and the OD&D world of Mystara. I love edition conversions and homebrewing, especially high level progression. I always look at this from a world building perspective. Like a hidden layer of the world (of roughly level 11-20 characters, but more powerful) in between mortals and gods.
Funny enough not just to zoom in on the big power struggles, but how these trickle down in the bigger world and affect the common people. So there is a backdrop of historic events going on and much more that is secretive and can be uncovered over time.
One change I intend to incorporate is to replace evil species with evil organizations and chaotic/unlawful cultures. Elves for instance could look alike at birth, and only at high level start to evolve into a special being by choice, be they Eladrin, Drow or something else entirely. And only then gain longevity. Similarly I want a mixed population of "goblinoids", humans, elves and other species with barbarian cultures, and parts of the lands they inhabit turned more civilized. So there could be an invasion of Madmaxians, not the trope of evil orcs.
Greyhawk might be a perfect setting to practice with these ideas!
Just a note, Blackmoor/Mystara pre-date Greyhawk by about a year as the first use of Blackmoor by Arneson was in 1971 and Greyhawk was first listed as being used by Gygax in 1972.
And the Forgotten Realms go back even further; but in terms of being a published setting for Dungeons & Dragons, Greyhawk was the first.
@@elementzero3379 Yes, but Ed Greenwood wasn't part of the initial group that made up TSR and D&D, Arneson was there with Gygax in creating D&D.
@@csdn4483 Dave's contributions went under-recognized for so many years. You're right that giving him a mention is always worthwhile.
I really do hope they follow up with a World of Greyhawk campaign book, but why has it taken them so long to do so. It amazes me how in one edition I have gone from loving this TTRPG to really hating it.
10:20 Nice to see Matt Mercer making it into another book.
ok this is great but im more of a forgotten realms guy so where is the 2024 guide for there
Who has done this intro music its killer?
Poor Bob 😭
The ONLY setting!
Now we need adventures ;) ...
Always disappointed by the switch to Forgotten Realms, campaign settings are at their best when it leaves the nitty gritty to the DM
Oh, and if anyone can make it happen... please let Paizo put together their Age of Worms campaign into a 5th ed book!
Please release high resolution maps! Photo copying the books suck. Especially for detailed things such as maps.
Todd is less of a interviewer and more of a strategic bone thrower, but still, cool marketing here.
Welcome to greyhawk adventurers
No mention of Vecna or Greyhawk ruins?
I don't know why, but the names of places in Greyhawk feel more like made up words than the forgotten realms Toril or Ebberon locations
A lot of them are puns, anagrams, or references.
The name Greyhawk itself is a historical reference, to the Sauk warchief Blackhawk (1767-1838).
A ton of the other placenames are based on friends of Gygax (like the Grand Duchy of.....Geoff, pronounced "Jeff.").
Vecna is an anagram of Vance, as in Jack Vance the fantasy novelist.
There's a bunch of stuff like that.
Does the physical book come with a foldout map? If so, what size?
I'm looking forward to Japanese release but I wonder if my people can stomach the lack of details and overall vagueness of it. I don't think the base mentality of Western TTRPGs supporting creativity is not explained enough and boy, how uncreative my people are.
The lack of details is exactly what's needed to strike out creativity. You need only the clue, to force the human brain to fill in the blanks for the rest of the content. Modern DMs, youtubers had had exact same complaints towards old-school settings. They are too used to having a full scripts of stories to run like a reading machine. Remember this stuff has been around for 50 years. You need only to search, you don't have to wait for the DMG to come out.
So you owned all of greyhawk but would have had to pay Ed something for Forgotten Realms. gotcha.
I wish. They do not have to pay Ed anything unfortunately- but he is happy with the sale as it allowed him to write and sell many many many books that would not have otherwise been published
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I miss foldout maps, and pamphlets. The WOTC “tomes” are worthless. Too dense, too much pointless “detail,” nobody reads it.
I love the discussion on BBEGs. I hope we get a big book of NPCs. All the named villains, heroes, helpers, and free agents of Greyhawk, The Realms, Eberron, and all the other major campaign settings
It should be noted that 3.5 DMG II had Saltmarsh, so this HAS been done before.
Saltmarsh isn't a campaign setting. It's a region within a campaign setting. So no, it hasn't been done before.
The 5e "Ghosts of Saltmarsh" also included regional information about Saltmarsh and the factions and such there. But, that doesn't make it a whole setting.
Fun Fact: Greyhawk's Wildspace System is geocentric. The sun, moon, and other heavenly bodies revolve around Oerth, the planet on which the setting takes place. Idk if this is mentioned anywhere in the DMG or if they changed it; but it's just a little something I found out through lore delving that I thought would be interesting to share with those who don't know.
While you are honouring the past, you might want to delete that foreword in your 50th anniversary of OD&D and replace it with something more fitting.
Even Chris Perkins has forgotten 4e! They have, in fact, fleshed out a campaign hub full of taverns, temples, NPCs, etc... Fallcrest and the Nentir Vale have long outlived the edition for which they were created.
This should eclipse the Vale in scope, both in page count and population (city vs town, half-continent vs single vale). I've been studying Greyhawk in recent months; and if I get to use it, I'll likely place a version of the Nentir Vale somewhere therein.
What 4e books were these published in, and do you think theyre still worth getting or would it be equally as effective to read a wiki/content online to learn about them?
@@Jacerme It's in the 4e DMG. Even 4e-haters generally acknowledge that this is an excellent book. In my opinion, it's the best DMG ever published, though I hope 5e24 can meet or exceed it. The pdf is only $9.99 on DM's Guild.
There were additional publications set in the Nentir Vale. "Madness at Gardmore Abby" is set in the Nentir Vale and is the best adventure WotC has ever published.
"Reavers of Harkenwold" is an amazing adventure (probably my favorite), and a great way to start a campaign in the Vale (or adapt it for elsewhere). It is found in the 4e Dungeon Master's Kit.
I'd start with PDFs of those, but there's definitely more. "Hammerfast" is an unusual Dwarven community that is unique in that dwarves and orcs there have a "cease-fire" in the city for reasons detailed in the supplement.
I could list more, but you get it. The Nentir Vale ended up being quite well supported via published adventures and both the Dungeon and Dragon digital magazines. Everything is still available via PDF.
I'm sure there must be fan sites online that will let you dip your toes. It's a cool little setting, with an excellent pantheon, planar cosmology (first clear codifying of the Feywild and Shadowfell), etc...
Nentir Vale wasn't actually supposed to be a setting. It first appeared in the 4e DMG as a generic example of a town and a region for newb DMs to use, but then they wound up sticking a bunch of adventure modules in the area, and it became a real, if smallish, setting. Greyhawk on the other hand is way more fleshed out
To be fair Greyhawk perfectly did the Points of Light, lots of fallen empires of Nentir Vale first. In fact it was dumbfounding we never got an official 4th edition Greyhawk setting
@@MollymaukT Greyhawk is somewhat more developed than Nentir Vale. Let's be real: a lot of Greyhawk "lore" is bits from here and there, scattered across various sources across years. By the end, Nentir Vale/Fallen Nerath was very well developed.
What happen to Blackmoor? What of the Greyhawk Wars?
I have the old map hanging on my wall. So far I don't think this update is very good.
Didn’t the old d and d box sets have a campaign world. So not the first.
Blackmoore came first. Greyhawk was the first PUBLISHED setting, but Areneson created Blackmoore when the rules for D&D revolved around Chainmail.
Didn't he originally create it for his Chainmail sessions?
@videogollumer he did, but when d&d was first created there was no Greyhawk setting as of yet. It came out soon after, but Blackmoore holds the title of the first setting since Arneson was running d&d games within the setting prior to Greyhawk's release.
Correct. However, it's clear that when they are saying "first campaign setting", they are talking about in reference to the publication of D&D, the game/brand.
So you are dropping Forgotten Realms ?
They absolutely are not; they're coming out with some FR books next year.
Forgotten Realms Player Guide and Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide will be released November 1 2025.
Where was B2 at in GH?
It was designed to be settings neutral. It can be anywhere in GH or even Mystara where governing bodies are unable to reach with their influence, requiring PCs to step in. It fits more on Mystara because the Known World has a lot more frontier borderlands for it to fit in.
Man its been a min. Isnt greyhawk where Oarth is? Azalin is definitely my next BBEG. I know a lot of the known characters originated in greyhawk but its been a lot of years since i even thought about greyhawk. Looking forward to this.
I think Oerth is the name of the world. Greyhawk is a city that can act as the main campaign hub and is the most famous part of the setting. Like Baldur's Gate in Forgotten Realms
Basically, when comparing Greyhawk to the Forgotten Realms, the scale goes:
Oerth = Toril
Oerik = Faerun
Flanaess = The Sword Coast
@@videogollumer and Greyhawk = Baldur's Gate
@@kajetan9906 I'm not so sure about that; Baldur's Gate, Waterdeep, and Neverwinter could each fill that niche
@@videogollumer Waterdeep is the closest parallel, for Undermountain and Castle Greyhawk fill a very similar role as megadungeons. Greyhawk is important as a neutral meeting ground for all powers with much wealth thanks to the riches discovered by the adventurers that delve the megadungeon of Castle Greyhawk. Baldur's gate maps more closely to Dyvers who is the rival city to Greyhawk and more focused on sea trade and eventually a refuge for the Shield Landers which is a similar role to the Elturian refugees in Baldur's Gate. Either Irongate or Verbonbonc can work like Sylverymoon since both the Iron Alliance against the Great Kingdom and Prince Thrommel's alliance of Emridy Meadows is similar to the alliances of the Silvery Marches. Neverwinter maps more to kingdoms and their capitals as that's kinda what Neverember is creating if he continues spreading his "goodwill" from its hardened artisans and laborers and grows more influence. Keoland and its coastal cities Gradsul and Safeton works the best for their situation of rebuilding goodwill with neighboring countries while dealing with the piracy of the Sea Princes around Saltmarsh, which is similar to what's going on in Luskan, and the Neverwinter area is also the suggested location for porting Saltmarsh to the Forgotten Realms.
I think they should release a version of this Greyhawk map without the names. It doesn't make sense for them to encourage the DM to take their own approach to this world and then have to use these established names if they decide to do so.
so gygax creates greyhawk. then tsr fires him and tosses out greyhawk. wotc buys tsr, then buys forgotten realms and that becomes the default world. then gygax dies and now greyhawk is back in the picture?
TSR never lost rights to Greyhawk.
@@sathdk79 didnt say they did. they just stopped using it cause they didnt want anything to do with gygax at the time.
any chance of u asking in one of the interviews is the Greyhawk revival just a one off, or does WotC intend giving us more (and hopefully new) GH products ???
To be fair, the 4e DMG includes the town of Fallcrest, so this isn't totally the first DMG with a campaign hub in it
I'm looking forward to playing in Greyhawk! Please tell me that DarkSun is on the horizon!
oH nO! tHeY cAn'T dO dArK sUn! It HaS sLaVeRy iN iT!
2:02 ... ah great [sarcasm], they're trying to sell their laziness as a good thing.
We know we can make adventures our own. We can add and change things all we like.
When we buy a product, we want it to be fleshed out, not thread bare.
If we need to make up the details ourselves, we don't need to buy your product.