5 Sophomore Album FAILURES
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2023
- 5 Sophomore Album FAILURES
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Fantano: "I wanna talk about 5 pretty major sophomore slumps."
Also Fantano: "Billie's second album is only marginally worse than her debut and has a lot of positive things about it."
"It's a slump all the same"
Major as in major artist perhaps?
He had the same approach to the Clash album. Both albums are actually good, but it didn't have the oomph of their predecessors, and they weren't as commercially dominant.
@@kingcatzakit’s not tho
Dementia arc over for Melon⁉️⁉️
I USED TO PRAY FOR DAYS LIKE THIS ONG 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Or he's just reached the terminal lucidity stage
@@epsilon1619TO RHYME LIKE THIS
He did a couple of other videos during his dementia arc. This isn’t over, bro.
@@Agoodusername.So i had to grind like that
Billie’s sophomore may have less good songs but it’s a huge leap in maturity and makes me excited that her next release will be her best yet. Also goldwing fucking rocks.
YES
This, both albums have a few weak links but Happier than ever is a better record overall, I would not call it a slump at all
"maturity" doesn't mean anything in music
@@kioro4221it can for some people
It doesn’t have less good songs tho lmfao
Happier Than Ever was less popular but I think it’s way better. Offers more perspective on how she’s adjusted to superstardom, objectification, and just accepting herself. Also the tracklist is more consistent than her debut imo
I disagree not that the album is bad in anyway , but as far as consistency is concerned When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? is so consistent than her Sophomore the only weak track on the album is last real track which is I Love You.
Bitches broken hearts is better than that whole album
Dude, I Love You is maybe the best song on there, wtf@@sadwilddogs783
It's a way more solid album, especially in the lyrical aspect.
@@sadwilddogs783I love you is one of her best WHAT
I would never call Happier than ever a failure. Sure not as big and punchy as WWAFAWDWG, I still think her and Finneas rock this album and the Title Track alone is one her best songs ever
It’s definitely NOT a failure
it’s an 8/10 at least.
I feel like its aged poorly because even tho it has the most consistent shiny great production all of the songs are straining to listen to. When it came out i only really revisited the title track but i cant even listen to that anymore. With Billies like dreamy sleepy delivering almost always needs punchy prod so youb dont actually fall asleep for me at least.
@@noahsabadish3812Definitely not
Think about it this way. Billie went from a massive worldwide icon to irrelevant. The album didn’t even go gold
I unironically like Happier Than Ever more than her previous album.
It’s on the same level
I actually feel like it's a better album. A more complete work. But I do still like the first album better
when Billie's first album came out and Fantano gave it an 8/10 I was honestly shocked because while I guess the album was pretty cohesive it just didn't really push the right buttons for me. I thought her second album was a massive improvement, and I would personally swap the scores her second and first album got
@@wpbn5613for me, the first record featured fantastic, unique production, full of new and fun ideas. The lyrics were...okay, but they definitely came together to form a very cohesive project. The instrumentals though...THE INSTRUMENTALS THOUGH. I never get through a listen of the record without noticing a new weird, unconventional sound thats been used.
The opposite is true for HTE. It's all over the place structurally, without a very obvious production theme, and its production just... isn't that unique. Its great, sure, but its just nothing special. But its high point are the lyrics, which are a MASSIVE approvement to WWAFAWDWG, where the lyrics were kinda...one dimentional, without any important ideas to really say. Some very emotional and playful lyrics, sure, but nothing I'd rave about. HTE is the complete opposite, addressing many social issues, having very well-written lyrics, I could go on and on and on.
I definitely prefer the production feat that was When We All Fall Asleep and okay-ish lyrics over the...unspecial production and fantastic lyrics on HTE, but thats just me.
i have never listened to a billie eilish song besides one playing in some store. and it will stay that way
The new Olivia record is pretty good. It's more refined and overall an improvement over Sour. The songwriting is still work in progress but her storytelling ability this early in her career is a good sign she's here to stay.
Eh.
It is undoubtedly a good album. The grudge and Get him back are my favourites atp but it lacks something. I cannot explain what. Idk relatability maybe?
Like she's reaching out to an audience far beyond and far narrow. Sour wasn't like this.
If you compare this to other artists like her(storytellers) for example Adele and Swift. Both their sophomore albums weren't only better and grander, they were highly grounded.
21 was bomb. One of the best in the decade. Fearless had great hits, charted for a LONG time. Songs like Rolling in the deep, White horse, Love story are what propel these albums. Guts is lacking in that sense.
@@Aiibhtrue but the albums after them ( 25 and speak now ) are weaker. It just happened the opposite for billie
@@jimbob2427speak now weaker than fearless ☠️☠️☠️
@@user-yl8zp9mn1w a lot of people will agree that fearless is better, plus it was way more successful
@@jimbob2427 speak now sounds like a massive improvement to fearless imo
Saying Billie’s second album is a “slump” means war Melon man
nahhh Happier than Ever is a great album. Not AOTY material, but definitely not a sophomore slump. I even prefer it over the debut.
agreed, not better than when we all fall asleep but still pretty solid
bro gave it a 7, how is that a slump
Honestly I certainly would consider it AOTY material. It wasn’t my AOTY for 2021 but it was top 5 for me
@@keihues his review was actually kind of negative lol, if I didn't know what his score back then would've been I thought it would be a 5 or 6
Agreed
As a Sophmore, I approve this message.
I think Happier Than Ever is better & has aged way better though. Anlther fact is the title track already hit a billion stream on Spotify.
that’s a tiktok effect
@@noahsabadish3812 everything is TikTok effect now including new Olivia Rodrigo album lol
@noah does that invalidate it as a hit?
It’s so good dats why
@@nicolasrield not at all, but I don't think it's a reason to claim that HTE is the better album
Definitely subjective but I think Happier Than Ever is a better album than Billie's debut album. It's more listenable and will age better when her audience matures.
Not gonna lie, as many sophomore slumps there are, there are also a lot of sophomore albums that were better than their debut and I feel like that should get a list as well. Like Fall out boy with under the cork tree, MCR with Three cheers for sweet revenge, Kendrick with GKMC, and a lot more I can't name right now
shoutout 3 cheers, goat emo album imo
Late Registration too
The Bends by Radiohead is definitely better than Pablo Honey
Demon Days > Gorillaz
@@johnpangarakis396 the coldest take on the planet 💀
At first i hated Show Your Bones because it was such a departure from their sound in Fever To Tell but now I absolutely adore the YYYs sophomore album
To an extent the title track alone justifies Happier Than Ever for me, to see Billie really reach into such a different part of herself musically was such a breath of fresh air - I feel so glad that I heard that track as part of the album with no prior warning because it really blew me away. But on top of that it felt like even if you could argue that the standard "Billie Eilish" sound was done better on [whatever the fuck that essay of a debut album title was called], I found the smaller deviations more interesting than a lot of the similar sounding songs on the debut - tracks like Billie Bossa Nova and Goldwing stick with me more than most tracks from the debut outside of, like, Bad Guy and ilomilo. Again, I don't know a damned wretched thing about production so maybe there's a legitimacy to the preference for the debut, but I enjoy Happier Than Ever more, personally.
Also "Your Power" is just such an amazing gut punch of emotion.
Happier than ever is Billie’s best imo
I honestly really like Show Your Bones, but that might be because I grew up with it on around me all the time and I only heard the first album a few years ago. When I think about Yeah Yeah Yeahs I'm always thinking of Show Your Bones first.
Yeah I played Fever to Tell and Show Your Bones all the time
Show Your Bones is a good album nonetheless. Cheated Hearts is a fantastic song, still one of their best... Gold Lion, Way Out, Phenomena, Evil and the final 2 tracks are all great in my opinion. Their debut is definitely flashier, and contains more classic YYYs songs but the band had moved on from that garage punk sound of FTT.
No way in hell you snuck HTE in there. I mean I liked her debut more than HTE but it’s still not a slump tf
I became a Billie fan with Happier Than Ever
ive heard way more of billies debut than happier than ever but i still think happier than ever is better and will age better
One thing about Show Your Bones that I think is worth mentioning here is that (if I’m not mistaken) Karen O was intentionally trying to distance herself from the sexualized wild-girl-drinking-beer-on-stage image people had of on her in their early days, which probably resulted in them going for a more gentle and folksy sound. Still a solid follow up even if lacks the same raw firepower of FTT imo
I learned the term with Franz Ferdinand's "You Could Have It So Much Better". I still loved that album though.
Fr, pretty much every Franz Ferdinand album slaps
Wu-Tang Forever is the GOAT hip-hop album imo
In the Wake of Poseidon by King Crimson is an older example but same category as the Wu-Tang album. ITCOTCK is such an iconic masterpiece that they would have to capture magic in a bottle twice in a row to avoid a slump.
Happier than ever might’ve been weaker than the debut but it’s a stretch to call it a slump.
I like HTE more then WWAFAWDWG basically every way I could. Personally, it was my AoTY 2021 and I come back to it far more often than the debut
The Wu-Tang Forever take singlehandedly invalidates any opinion Fantano had on hip-hop music
Wu-Tang Forever is incredible, it’s my favorite album of their’s easily
@@desihayward2510 It’s a classic and Fantano had like 10 or more Wu-Tang sophomore albums to pick from. Immorability, View from Masada, N Please etc. Forever is like their last true shining moment and they (almost) fell apart after that
Bloc Party after Silent Alarm never managed to capture that same magic ever again.
Idk man A Weekend in the City is a beautiful album that expands on what made silent alarm great even if it wasn’t quite as good
I relistened to Happier Than Ever last week and I think even though the antics on WWAFAWDWG are starting to run a bit thin, Happier Than Ever just continues to grow on me. I think it’s a more mature, forward-thinking and beautiful album than her debut and I think it’ll age a lot better. I love both albums but HTE takes the cake for me now
Happier then ever is much better than her first album
i'm glad somebody seems to feel the same about billie's sophomore album, as i was fairly disappointed, having been a fan for years, when i listened to it upon release and it never seemed to grow on me. hoping her third album is better (and rock oriented like many people are predicting)
I mean your reasoning on Wu-tang forever was totally fair, but MAN i fucking love that album personally
Roddy Ricch with live life fast HAS to be on this list
Billie Eilish slump is a bad take
Happier Than Ever is better than When We All Fall Asleep, much better songwriting and she kept her worse instincts in check
The Killers’ “Sam’s Town” is considered a sophomore slump. That’s HOW POPULAR Hot Fuss was.
Worth a mention would be Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie by Alanis Morrissette
1. technically, it's her 4th album
2. i kind of feel like alanis has spent her entire career trying to come back to doing anything near as good as JLP and just couldn't capture the magic, which is why SFIJ doesn't really feel like a sophomore slump imo? Her 2020 album is her best work in a long time IMO but it's nowhere near as great as JLP was
@@wpbn5613 Good points. I think she's has sparks of brilliance in every album since but I guess JLP was that lightning in a bottle kind of situation
@@dazman1972 I do like Alanis, but the thing is:
I usually think that with artists who have an album as good as Jagged Little Pill, it's a must to check out their other work: at least 95% of the time an artist has one universally loved album like, say, Titanic Rising or TPAB, that their other stuff is worth checking out, that they have at least one or two other must-listens in their discography.
In Alanis' case, I honestly think it would be perfectly fine to only listen to Jagged Little Pill and not pay mind to any of her other work. Yes, there's some other Alanis stuff aside from JLP that I really like, but I couldn't fault anyone for not getting into it.
If there was a competition for "biggest gap in quality between an artist's best work and next best work" for all artists ever, Alanis would be one of the top candidates to win.
I disagree with the Third Eye Blind record being a sophomore slump since I do believe the most of songs are pretty good (it’s when you get to Out of the Vein where the band begins to fall out of grace) and it sold a decent amount of records to where I can say it’s a pretty solid record in their discography. (Plus, I do appreciate the compliment of calling them an iconic alternative rock band since I think they’re underrated especially with that debut)
I would say some bigger sophomore slumps to me, courtesy of Todd in the Shadows for bringing them to attention, Fair Weather Johnson by Hootie and the Blowfish as well as the Spin Doctor’s album Turn It Upside Down
actually, happier than ever was NOT a flop, but she was really experimental and targeted a new public, even though, this was considered her best work so far for majority of the community and almos all critics
Fym the production’s worse on Happier Than Ever? Her debut was well-produced, sure, but have you heard Oxytocin? Shits so tight
As much as I love 200s garage rock/post-punk revival bands, a lot of them really dropped off in quality after their debut
excuse me?? blue is not a failure. it’s definitely not AS good as the first but it’s not a fall from grace as much as Out of the Vein was
Although Show Your Bones doesn't match up to Fever To Tell, its first half is really, really strong.
Show your Bones was my first Yeah Yeah Yeah album so I’ve always loved it
I won't tolerate the Third-eye blind slander, Melon.
There is no song on WWAFAWDWG, except for Listen Before I Go, that hits as hard as the tittle track from HTE... so it is an L calling it a sophomore slump
Pinkerton is the best weezer album and i really dont know why it didnt do well at first
surprised u didnt mention travis scotts birds
cause it isn’t
He might be counting DBR as his first
@@iitsCarml dbr isn't an album
I love Fever to Tell, but I believe Show Your Bones is better. Every song kills. It's a bit more polished and still hits hard (Way Out, Fancy). It has a lot of slow burns in the second half which are just amazing "Sweets", "Warrior", "Turn Into" is a hell of a closing 3 tracks. FtT has the rawness that's exciting and some beautiful moments but SYB is more crafted and ultimately more satisfying in my opinion.
agree!!
Truth
I respect fever to tell more than I actually like it. It can get pretty grating to listen to the full album
Wu tang forever still holds up imo
Wu tang forever is special. Some amazing Wu tang songs off that.
Looking at it, no shit the next wu tang album would be a slump, 36 chambers a high ass bar
Im in a weird standing with Billie's second album where I agree that, as a whole, it isn't as good, but it has some of her best songs as well as the best song of her career (Happier Than Ever)
GUTS is probably the best sophomore album in recent times
Anyone who thinks Happier Than Ever is a slump is nuts. Lol
I'm interested to hear Fantabo's take on Guts simply because I can't imagine him calling it a sophomore slump
Finally! A relevant thread for me to say Show Your Bones is just as good as Fever to Tell!
Actual new content!!
wutang forever is an epic 2cd/4lp work of art. kind of towers over the debut in many ways.
Salvador Gonzalez - Where the Heart Lies
Billie Eilish stands out so oddly in this list, such a sea difference between the 90s-00s albums you named and her record, especially just to basically call it "only slightly disappointing". Billie hasn't even been around long enough to show us the significance of Happier than Ever, and you named it after calling The Clash's sophomore important for transitioning to London Calling.
Guts definetly aint a sophomore slump. I honestly enjoyed it quite a bit more than sour.
Happier Than Ever a sophomore slump?!! That's a big old L for you me old Melon
Why did I just realize that "don't smile at me" From billie was an EP and not a album
For me a big one was Cordaes Sophomore album, I can't remember a thing about it besides that Coach Carter song tbh
Wu Tang with a sophomore slump HA NEVER
While I agree Happier than Ever didn't fully live up to When we all Fall Asleep's level, it's still a good album that had some good moments like Happier than Ever, Goldwing, NDA & Therefore I am
You have to ask this question: can you ever match the level of When we fall asleep where do you we? Making a good album is about talent and work, but making a great album also has a level of luck involved. Everything must go just right for such albums.
I don't even think Happier Than Ever is a worse album. It's kind of a different musical style, and it might not have hit the right bells for people. My personal opinion is that the production style kind of just falls apart here. A lot of the songs just need a bit of heaviness. Although the songs themselves are great, the singing and production isn't able to showcase that fully. Covers of a lot of the songs from the album were unexpectedly good, when you look at Billie's records. Still the actual record was better because the songs were written for her, but I just see some missing potential
Man, strong agree on Third Eye Blind. Their debut is one of my all time favourites
Room On Fire was a massive step down from Is This It. Yes, I will fucking fight you.
Had no idea Show Yor Bones was slump. I was a young kid when i first got into Yeah Yeah Yeahs and just loved it to death. Happier Than Ever is just as good as WWAFAWDWG, but I think it got less attention, so I guess Fantano is right.
Top 10 albums who peaked in freshman year
YYYS second album is a slump?! It didn't follow up with a raw serving like the first but it showed a heap of maturing in themes, song writing and musicianship. Reconsider it, Melon Man!
I like Third Eye Blind, and overall I like Blue, but it probably does deserve to be on this list. "Never Let You Go" was ok as a hit, but not as good as any of the hits from their debut, plus most of the back half of the record is kind of forgettable.
Sophomore slumps fucking hell😂 and the Billie Eilish one, looks like he just couldn’t wait to say something bad about her, can tell by the way his face went even smugger than it was before lol I quite like Billie and if she pisses off the “music experts” then I like her even more now ✌️
I personally would put Show Your Bones and Fever To Tell at about the same level. It’s Blitz blows both out of the water though, of course.
Honestly as a massive godsmack fan, I love the self-titled record but awake is like a 3 or 4
Rodeo into Birds in the Trap
The first two are crazy. Blue and Show Your Bones were, in my opinion, far better than the albums that came before it. I enjoyed the songs on those records better, and the direction the bands took when moving past their respective debuts.
Your voice is really relaxing.
Roddy rich is another good example
Imma say it: Pinkerton a Sophomore Slump
Yeah, I have to agree on Billie one. I mean, people seem almost forgot how good that 1st album is. I really hate to admitting this considering the context of those two, but sometimes it’s just the one is better than the other.
You forgot to add To Pimp a Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar.
I honestly think Happier Than Ever is a better album.
I'd say Black Kids also kinda dropped from debut to sophomore.
Show Your Bones is much much better than Fever to Tell.
Stay Free better than any track off Clash debut
New olivia was so gooddd
Give em enough rope is leagues above the self-titled
"up in the MGM, coked up, PSYCHE!!"
#WuTangForever
i honestly really like happier then ever and i do think it’s better then her debut album and this is coming from someone who was a fan of that 2017 2018 billie ellish run
L take with Billie Melon, even if most people prefer the debiut calling HTE a failure is cringe
what would you say about EDEN's No Future? can we get a redux review?
Thank you for calling happier than ever a failure 🙏
Don't Look Back from Boston would top my list. But I'd argue they spent all their juju on that first album and never made it back
I feel like Fantano is either going to give GUTS a 5 or an 8 for some reason
Is it a sophomore slump or is it a comeback of the year (please get my reference)
wu-tang forever is goated
How can HTE be a slump when the album was number one the same amount of weeks as Planet Her?
Shoulda put birds in the trap up there