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None of the london metro stations are updated for the newer longer trains.
ANd shouldn't the football metro not be next to the supermarket down the road?
Biffa is it me or i dont see you use a mod named metro overhaul, its very useful and it makes the tracks looks a lot more realistic, but it may take a bit of time to learn it :)
IRL I prefer small microbusses to large slow ones. because they are slow.
To be honest, I think the main problem with the Upper Teahampton hub was the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere. It's quite hard to walk there due to the presence of the motorway, cims have to either drive there or transfer from a bus, which isn't very efficient, so maybe that's part of the reason why it didn't get much use. Probably building some more houses around the hub would have helped way back then.
Yes, transit oriented development
Or even just an easy option to pass (probably under) the motorway. But yeah, there's a lot of area that can be developed over there.
i think so
The next time he gets a large residential need, he should definitely build some mid-density transit-oriented development
It should also be the intercity train hub rather than High Bickie
Heya Biffa, if absolutely no one is using your train line, it could also mean that there is something wrong with either one of your stations. Maybe the citizens can't actually get into them or the move-it mod messed something up? Might be worth a shot to delete and rebuild them.
I would change the metrotracks along the motorway to be at ground level and make only a overpass near roads. IRL this would happen, since ground level tracks are much cheaper than kilometers of overpass. As a suggestion you could make the metroline form the Wold to East Charlton run parallel to the road before the roundabout. that way you can add a new station along the route if you expand East Kettling/Bampton heights.
Agreed, irl those would be ground-level lines either sunk into a cutting to block the noise, or with trees lining the sides of the tracks. They'd look really cool decorated in that way, too.
Love the series biffa! One suggestion would be a large country estate with a big house for the earl grey of teahampton!
Another suggestion would be a bit of nightlife, perhaps a small "strip" in the original part of the city with pubs and bars so the uni students can catch the metro for a night out
Keep up the great work!
+1 for Earl Grey!
I agree. I said this a few episodes ago. I think that the original university in the city , changed with RICO to a tourist attraction and decorated, the only way that @Biffa Plays Indie Games can would be just perfect. And as the seat of Earl Grey is fantastic
It must have an accompanying country park called Fenton Park, Waddeson Manor would be a good bit of inspiration with a little accompanying villages well??
Loving this series! Binged watched it all while dog-sitting. Would be awesome to see a big Central Business District type area develop between Teahampton and Kettling
Great suggestion!
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I am such a big fan of implementing effective public transport in Cities Skylines! I feel like there's just something new to learn everyday!
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Hi ... love the metro, great addition to the city!
6:05 I had already commented on the Wold-Upperteahampton bus lines being overcrowded, but I was never aware of this very long banana detour the trains have to take to West Kettling. Of course this could not work ... the 10:20 parallel to the highway route would have been very suitable for the train line as well.
You added a vast amount of tiny shuttle lines that lead to a lot of transfers - let me suggest a different network design:
Rail line 2 - 6 via a new shorter route along the highway; Metro A 6*-4-3-1; Metro B 5-4-3-2*; Metro C 1-2*-Shops-5-6* [rail transfers of metro lines marked with a *]. Lines A and B run parallel to the new rail line but do not copy the West-Kettling-Upperteahampton connection, as the two railway stations are on different metro lines. Line C merges several of you spur lines (you could do that even without adopting the A+B scheme) - it serves both rail stations but won't be the more attractive 2-6 connection as it is copying the old banana detour; its right to exist is derived from the 1-2 connection, the 5-6 connection and the shop connection.
Fill-in stations ... while building underground, always look whether there are buildings of top. If their density reaches a certain threshold and the next stop is not too close, you can add a station.
21:23 If you decide to keep you layout [let's be honest, you probably will and have every right to do so], the separate Stadium line could connect to the current platform of the Wave line and have a fill-in stop in St. Giles East, maybe also extend to St. Giles West.
20:55 There is definetly additional ridership potential between University and Wold bus hub, and the 4-5 connection might extend to a new North Kettling railway station.
25:42 The Kettling bus station to the Shops bus line only has two stops - with that it is just a bad copy of the metro. No sane person would choose that line over the metro. You turn down the amount of vehicles instead of deleting it - let me add an idea to justify the existence of that line. 24:26 Let the bus run through Bampton Heights and Halewood Gardens adding new purpose for the line. Let it do what the metro cannot do because even if you adopt my fill-in station ideas the metro cannot stop everywhere. It might even meander through the side streets extensively - you do not want the bus to win the speed battle, the bus has to cover the area.
26:10 Similar analysis for the Upperteahampton - Shop bus line. No need to cover the same route twice - but here fill-in stops are more difficult. Maybe you reroute it to St. Giles West and connect to the Stadium line. Again a connection you probably do not want to offer with metros.
Biffa, for the part of the metro running along the highway, it would most likely be on an embankment, not a long bridge section. That'll just make it more realistic since engineers tend to avoid bridges if they can. And those curves are far too tight. Try to keep them above 200m radius in NMT. For the roundabout crossings, instead of the crazy bridge, the metro would likely remain at highway level and the road would be elevated.
Wold -> Shops- the line is underground under a field? No sane engineer would do that. Please make that ground level. And also can you connect up some of the lines so you don't force a transfer? Would make the line more attractive.
At the moment all your station are connected to attraction but they are not connected to people, you need to put connections near where they live to get the people on the transport else they will still drive to the attractions
Another big thing is a lot of the reason people aren’t using the train lines is the bus routes basically do the same thing, so the services cannibalize each other’s ridership. Making the busses more local, basically transferring people from residential or workplaces to the train/metro network would make the whole system much more usable.
The weird thing for me is that you have a train line which runs directly through the triangular shopping center but you don´t care about jusrt putting a station in there. Would make a lot of sence there, I think...
Might be difficult to find something that connects to the aquaduct nicely.
Height of realism, though, trains often go straight through places where you'd expect them to stop, often because of obscure reasons why making a connection isn't feasible, even though it seems like it would make a lot of sense.
In general, I treat mass transit similar to roads. Trains are first tier, few stops, and they need space. Then you have metros, second tier, which you can use to get people from the large stations to the city centers and points of interest. With trams, you get into the area, connecting metro stations with intermediate stations, offering tangential services etc.pp., and busses are lowest tier, travelling only short distances or to places with low passenger frequency. In the town I am currently building, I am not using any metros at all, because I like it when I see the vehicles above ground, but that's just personal taste. And there are some bus routes which I have to upgrade to trams because they got inexpectedly busy (no pun intended).
For some reason, Biffa seems not to use a tiered approach to mass transit. But he likes to build transit hubs!
A tip I've used to get around the not owning the square I need to put down a road in, or subway track, is use the network multitool's create connection/curve tool. I draw the roads in on each side of the square that is not owned where I want them, then use the tool and it will connect the two through the unowned square. Only downside is you can't really fix issues until you buy the square. But it at least gets you close to what you want. Hope that helps.
I think you may have a wee issue with the trains you are using. Also, a trian station in the new shopping place would be a good addition :) Loving the series, you're best by a country mile!
One thing I like to do when I get busses, is treating them like trains and metro, which means making separate roads only for them whenever possible, so they don't have to create extra traffic for normal roads. On those roads (including bridges and tunnels), I only allow busses, and I have some bus road systems completely separated from the rest of the roads, with a few roads limited to emergency services and sometimes utility vehicles (garbage, for example). This effectively makes it similar to having metro stations, before having the metro unlocked, for a slightly higher price than normal metro. *Edit:* Bike lanes and pedestrian lanes are also very useful, especially since normal roads allow both pedestrians and bikes, and I can even use roads with bike lanes for the bus-and-emergency-only roads, especially on long roads, since it seems to me that dedicated bike lanes allow faster bike travel.
I also like having small/tiny villages every now and then, some of them with only low density, others also with high density, though I often have a few 1x1 offices in those villages, to make jobs, and even tiny education (of all levels), and I explain it as using technology to not need as much space or as many on-site workers, including tiny emergency services. You would be surprised how much you can cram in a 20x20 village. I also try to segregate my city in a few (a lot of) "districts", so emergency vehicles from one corner of the map don't have to travel to the other corner of the map.
If there's a crisis in one district, I just temporarily unlock a road for emergency vehicles, to have them help out, but after it was solved, I close the road to emergency services again. Normal vehicles can still move throughout the districts nearly unlimited (though I often use roads with a very small speed, like 10 or 5 speed, which I call pedestrian roads, to discourage normal traffic from using it, because emergency services ignore the speed limits, if I remember well).
If the metro joins up with a surface rail station then it needs to be “wombleton station”. (Underground, overground, wombling free… :). )
Oh man, as a train driver I am not a fan of the line layout here at all. Why are they all separated into individual two- or three-stop lines? These could easily have been combined into maybe two more realistic lines at most.
I came to the realization so many years ago that whatever I do with Metro or Train lines there will be a whole heap of people that will think I was wrong, not realistic etc etc...so I just do what I want to do and enjoy the game :-)
Every time Biffa makes a big loop with multiple stops, loads of people tell him real-life Metros are point-to-point. Every time he makes point-to-point, loads of people tell him real-life Metros are big loops 🤣 It's very entertaining as a casual observer.
@@bobblebardsley Depends on where he bases his transport from, in this case it is London.
Real life metros are both loops and point to point like the Jubilee Line vs Circle Line
@@Moshimulations Oh yeah, doesn't stop people telling him he's wrong either way :D
@@bobblebardsley Yes, but "point to point" usually means going from one end of the city to the other and back again, rather than having every station connected by a dedicated line, forcing passengers to keep transferring. Those '+' shaped stations are perfect for combining loops and points, since you can build rings around the city and spokes radiating out from a central transit hub.
FINALLY. ;)
Loved it - great episode, and it's amazing how much of a difference Metro makes.
A couple of suggestions:
1) you might want to consider going through your stations and adding an overpass or underpass by each one. Some of your roads (particularly the Wold bus hub) are getting clogged up with pedestrians crossing and slowing your traffic down.
2) your commercial triangle area seems to be pretty desperate for more parking!
I've noticed that, in the trafic overlay, the red areas aren't necessarily where traffic has stopped or is even slow, rather an indication of how many cars pass that area in relation to the surrounding area. Red isn't always a bad thing so long as cars are moving. An area can be red if more cars pass through it than in other areas but, are still moving at a decent rate.
The new shopping could use a parking structure for how much parking is needed for it. Plus will help to do now before you build around it.
Just don't let people (cars) drive into The Wold Bus Station. Let them have a drop-off point somewhere nearby or something.
This is my favourite series. Keep up the work 😁
Thankyou 😁👍
Just an idea - as much as I love the London Underground trains they are very Londony! Are there any assets for the Tyne and Wear metro on the workshop?
If I don’t see transport for wales I’m storming out
i'd prbably have built a loop for each of your settlements with metro and then connected the loops via monorail in between the settlements.
keeps people off the roads and you still get a bit of topside movement even though most of it goes underground with the metro lines.
Trains i mainly use for outside connectivity and freight.
i do exactly the same
Triangle area shops at East Charlton looks like lacking parking when you click on traffic flow, maybe put a long parking area between triangle and main road.
I don't think number of vehicles is part of the transportation calculation. I think it's just theoretical speed along the line unless you install a mod that considers congestion.
16:35 there are a number of ways to cheat networks through squares you don't own, and Network Multitool is one of them.
There seems to be much less trains, generally, in this build compared to the New Tealand build. You hardly see any Intercity trains on the tracks and stations. Are the settings different in this build/map? How many outside connections are there in this map?
Does it have to do with this city not being as touristy yet so not many intercity trains is really lack of tourists maybe?
Biffa with the old market train line you could use the other end and connect like you have the above ground metro. Then the game would get people to use the train as it is a shorter line
For East Charlton, you should try to find a very high raised train station, and add a top to the train line there.
I actually like the tree sticking out of the building haha. You always get random old buildings with a magical tree growing somehow on the roof
I really love using the metro as my go to method of mass transit. Delighted to see you using them once more.
You should put a lot of parking, probably a big multi-level one, at the shopping area. Looks like all of the buildings need more parking.
If you ever decide you need an airport. Please call it Southend on Tea, Gatwix or Teathrow
Loving the British City! Favourite one so far!
Biffa for detailing tube stations, maybe sprinkle in bike racks and kiosks. also having a little sainsburys or a chip shop sharing a wall with that little brick one would look spot on
That place where the train gets confused when leaving the station, and there's a sharp border across the tracks, might there be two nodes where there should only be one? So maybe a job for the Swiss army knife?
The road at the Kettling bus station where you put the underground station, really calls for a path overpass to deal with the masses of people crossing the road to get to the path on the other side
26:01 Could you please put a traffic light or an overpass for pedestrians to that crossing? By the looks of it at least a dozen people get run over by buses there every day...
Seriously one of the most underappreciated and underrated channels on UA-cam!
14:01 did anyone else notice that one pedestrian in the background doing a cartwheel lol
DEFINITELY DEFINITELY DEFINITELY add a small train station where that bus station is under the viaduct near the east charlton shopping outlet, that mint green line is just far too long for sims to prefer it to buses
Question for you at 18:49 > Question Choosing station for underground that have multiple gates> Mentioned a mod that was installed Can you explain the name or verify steps on how you were able to do so. Thanks Huge learning curve and understanding with some frustration in the game would be great news.
The game really loves metro. Possibly the best mass transport option available.
Especially with mods. 600+ capacity metros have saved my ass on a few occasions.
If you ran a rail line from the hub alongside the motorway like you have done with the underground, which would be more realistic as roads often mirror rail, which mirror canals in the UK. It would also be a much shorter rail route to Kettling.
Peds definitely need a dedicated crosswalk/overpass/underpass at the Upper Teahampton station. All crossing on a junction with no markings it appears..
Hmm... some nice suggestions I can suggest is this:
1. Create another village on the south side, as I think the northern one looks set to be encroached upon by the city.
2. Name the line between the transport hub and the other block of the city, the "Earl Grey" line.
3. Designate an area for an airport in a future episode
Biffa. Remember you can use move it to put the subway entrances inside other buildings. Also makes it looks like the buildings are very busy places to go.
One of the best you've done!! I love tinkering with the amount of buses and metros I have in my city and I usually do it at the end of playing the game.
I really like those London Underground subway entrances and headhouses! The headhouses are especially beautiful. But I noticed the platforms are way too short ... and you have a tree growing through the headhouse at Upper Teahampton! 😆
Maybe an express tramline would've been more real, especially in a British city
This was so satisfying to watch. Those bus lines were giving me a headache before not gonna lie 😅 loving this series!!
I really enjoy watching you work on these cities in this game. You make them look so nice with all the mods and general layout of the city itself. 👍
The Upper Teahampton Hub needs a HUGE parking lot to encourage people to leave their cars behind and use other means of transportation FROM there.
You could do a challenge out of this. Build a City with Transport Masterplaned upfront. You could use the zoning Tool to Plan Trainroutes/Highways where you want them to be in the future. You could also add Challenges for some stages. For example have 1000 Bycyle riders before you can use trains. Also there could be a challenge about Transit ridership.
OH C'MON! 😂 in London we have lines like "Northern" that goes oop North. We have "The Victoria" line, in commemoration of her old Maj! The "Circle" etc. And as an old driver on the Northern I am 'insisting' that your lines are named appropriately...or there might be a strike called 😅🥴
I'll leave it to you or others to name them but have a look at the London underground map and go from there?
The Great Kettling line.
Etc!
Cheers...."EVERYBODY OUT"! and mind the gap!
Don't like the elevated section of Tube-line running along the Motorway. If it was an old train track it would be ground level. Just dip it under the junction (combined with slightly lifting the junction), and then that last road: make it into a bridge. It would also make more sense for it to end at the university with an overground station. (these are available for the MOM mod).
What helps for me is just like mini metro drawing lines and dors as seen on metro maps. It does easily show "who goes where", and if you take it further you can draw the number of average passengers next to it and you wil see the busy points. again, Just like mini metro
Cup of tea and watching Buffalo build England, this is a good time.
Nice build! I live near one of the overground sections of the London tube network, so this partly overground/partly underground setup feels very realistic to me
May I suggest a rail station at East Charlton? Maybe an elevated station that hangs off the viaduct.
you've put in London Underground on a British designed map... you should use the actual underground line names and colors!
Why do you always build these 2-station metro shuttle lines that go just forth and back, instead of proper metro lines with multiple stops? For example the shopping centre - hub - shopping centre - hub thing could easily run through as a single line, while it three lines here. Is this something with how the game mechanics work and I failed to understand so far?
The problem with all the Workshop Underground stations is they are still sized for the original shorter metro trains. They need a fix to make them longer to match the current longer vanilla
metro stations
You can adjust their length with move it 👍
I think that Croyden Gardens & Teahampton Rise, both need underground stops aswell or at least share one.
I would’ve added a line under 1 (7) and opposite the park under 3 (8). Possibly a line above 2 (9) and above 3 (10) Line from 9-2-1-7. Line 1-3-4-6. Line 10-3-8. Line 5-6. Maybe even expanded north and east of 5 as well.
Fun fact: About 55% of the London Underground is actually above ground.
I think we really still need a national trust type site in Blighty biffa. It would be a great tourist addition, and you’d get to flex your detailing muscle!! Pretty please x
Hey i think you should expand on those farms just a bit more because I have feeling large fields would really suite that countryside and would add some feel of distance
You need a row of commercial in the st Giles area, a set of house such as these would have a Main Street with some little shops!
A line down to that Triangle Park you laid out in the beginning might be useful, could build up that park area some too.
Lovin the vids, I always watch them the second I see them in my subs, thanks for all the hard work!
The bug @5:40 is caused because there are two nodes on almost exact same location. If you delete one of them the trains won't be bugging around anymore
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Hi Sir, I too think that the hub isn't in the best place. Better would be imo the area between #3 and #4 at the interchange. Could also be a place for a nice airport. With the current location I'd run a line 2345 and 1346 and have a short line 12 and 56. And don't elevate the tracks on open fields, that is way too expensive :-)
Hi Biffa, seeing as you don't get much train traffic at the market railway station maybe there's a similar looking asset where you could replace it with an above ground metro station instead
I just love to see what a difference it makes! I'm fairly new to Cities: Skylines so I watch a lot of your videos before really going for a big build. I've learned so much! Truly enjoy it!
I'm actually enjoying some Chai today. Getting a flippin' cold.
With the current name and shape of kettling, a name for the area where the river start could be the spout
Biffa, after adding the MRI lines to the shops, haven't you now just got 2 metro lines? The first is from the Wold to the Wave (via the shops and the Hub) and the second from the Hub to the Wold (via the football, uni and West Kettling).
I think the metro is a great idea, but the above ground section being elevated all the way is a tad questionable given you'd build the above ground section to save on costs normally and elevating it would just add those costs back on. I love the series however.
As a vanilla player on my Xbox I am normally a little jealous of mods but this one has pushed me over the edge. Think it’s time to invest in a PC!!
I feel like Blightea-on-the-Wold needs a Royal palace
The subways you choose are extra long, you have simple lines but they may get stuck due to be so long
That bus loop seems to have a bus lane that the busses aren't using. Is there a Hugo There that's preventing them from merging in?
A suggestion would be to include a park and ride (shopping? university? ) area, with little to no access for cars.
Also an M62 House? (just a house/ farm in the middle of the motorway).
A private/ prep school (think Eton) will be a good idea too.
make that above ground metro line a train which is much efficient b/w those train station and probably make metro line ground or underground level so you can rather add metro stations to it in future .
Biffa you could add highway maintenance doing some highway repairs
Why didn't you rework bus lines to capture areas not served by trains and remove lines now served by trains?
you should have bobbed one of the train station segments to a metro station segment at the elevated train station.
What always amuses me with players of Cities is when they install underground services and blithely cut right under residential areas when they could easily re-route under commercial or industrial nearby. I think, in real life, underground services would be kept away from residential areas due to siesmic noise and disturbance.
@@martintautenhahn9301 Im going to say "wrong" to you on that. The subway was installed under non residential. Residential was then built over the top. Still, it is a difficult prospect as few people want to live directly over a working subway. Also, you haven't said the the tracks go right under someone's property rather than down the road outside.
This was a great change, traffic in the city is much better without any downsides.
I would be nice to see some trolleybuses.
Just started of a flat London map I made. Looking forward to my computing frying
Biffa, you could call the long line the Tealizabeth Line, in honour of Crossrail!
I would really like to see u add the Thee Off Golf and Country Club to the city. The ppl need some recreation
If I were you I'd follow the road going to the triangular shopping mall. Line 1 from The wave to the Old West Kettling via the bus stations and the shopping mall Line 2 from Old West Kettling to the Eastern part of the city via the Southern route (motorhway) and serving all districts in the length. So two connection stations.
Your Line 4 should be extended South to serve the housing districts. Same for the Tottenham FC line.
If anything a big train station like Old West Kettling shouldn't be on the end of and branch line but at the center of the local network, the main transfer station should be there and the bus station as well.
I think the fixes definitely helped! Although there are a couple of places now that are rammed with pedestrians crossing the road by the new metros (best example of this is the bus-hub).
Definitely think it would be worth putting in some underground crossings… in the UK there’s potential stations on both sides of the road so there’s justification for it! Would also be awesome if you could somehow make the underground crossings by the metros to look like it’s part of the station (not sure if there will be any assets that can do that in the workshop but would be awesome!)
If you run a line next to the motorway you could also have made it a train line to make trains more convenient
Nice city fix. Metros are a bit overpowered in CS imho (too cheap) but they are awesome to use and the above ground metro looks great zippin' around. Nice episode.
I really love the public transport vids
Thankyou 👍
17:50 I think you can use move-it to drag the above ground lines into the un-bought squares so as to get the design aesthetic you want?