@@guymry I literally just started watching, and from what you said up to the 50 second mark I think that you might've had the same interpretation of the game that I did. I will comment again when I finish watching, here's hoping my comments don't randomly get deleted.
So I just finished the video and I think that we have fairly similar ideas about the game’s story concepts and ties to Skyward Sword. There are some nitpicks that I have with your theory as well as some personal embellishments I would add from my own ponderings. I’d like to discuss them with you if that’s possible, but UA-cam comments are hardly a good place for that considering how often completely innocuous messages have been getting deleted lately. I was wondering if you would be up for having a discussion on Discord or another platform?
Watching this video was like a friend explaining a conspiracy map that's tied together with string and thumbtacks, except the string is made of spaghetti and also we're both on meth
The Rito not being the WW Rito is like one of the easiest plotholes to explain. The WW ones were magically evolved zoras due to the flood. BotW Rito are just naturally occurring.
It would also make sense for the Zora to start evolving after the flood, freak out about it, try to do research on what's happening to them, find info about an ancient race of bird people blessed by the gods called Rito, and figure that must be what they are now and it was all just a blessing from the gods.
@@amandaslough125 Honestly? There are claims that the Zora all evolved into Rito, and that there are no Zora in Wind Waker still living but like... There are fishmen you feed and get info from... Can you remind me of the description of a Zora?
A crippling fixation and undying passion in the face of pessimism is a drunk in and of itself I like to think that this is what the game developers intended when they made totk, for us to literaly just start making up stuff for the sake of trying to create our own satisfying conclusions to something that seemed to reject us if we got ONE thing wrong
I mean. Does it make sense? It's being claimed that the totk ancient past with the zonai happens before demise as far as i can tell, which wouldn't make sense. Like at all
@@auraFireblood In what way does it not make sense? This is about as close to my personal theory on how this fits into the timeline as I've seen anyone get so far. I don't see a single thing that contradicts it, but if you've got one, I'm all ears. I just haven't been proven wrong yet, and I'm eager to be. In fact, there are notable pieces in here that fill in a few of the final holes in my personal theory.
@@JRook-00Curious, how do we explain the items from different games like the majoras's mask outfit and such? Also do you have an idea of where present TOTK would fit into the timeline?
Well, I don't think that one's too big of a revelation. Ganon has always been the form Ganondorf is transformed into by the Triforce of Power. This Ganondorf never found the Triforce, so of course he wouldn't transform into Ganon.
@@Sarah_Hpersonally I see both of those more as Phantoms/ a manifestation of Ganondorf’s powers (aka the gloom/malice) than actual forms, since Ganondorfs doesn’t transform into them since in BOTW Ganondorf is still being held by Raru’s bind. They’re basically like overpowered Gloom Ganons haha 😂 At least that’s ny point of view.
If I may, I want to run a theory that I've had in my head for a few years regarding Girahim. It should be noted that Girahim and Fi have the same aesthetic design. Diamond motifs, similar hair, the same eyes (when not in disguise). Consider for a moment the Trident of Darkness as it appears in Four Swords Adventure. An all-black trident with a red gemstone, hidden away by the Gerudo in a pyramid. With the inscription that says that it will allow its wielder to "become the King of Darkness." What if Girahim, Demise's living weapon, didn't merely fade away? What if Girahim still exists as Ganondorf's chosen weapons? Recall that while Fi only takes the form of the single blade, Girahim creates multiple blades. Sabers, daggers, a claymore... So why not a trident? One that Ganondorf's kin would seal away in the hopes that their rogue king would never find?
@@cartoonistanonymous And the Trident takes many different forms from game to game, Four Swords Adventure is the one game where it has the same colors as anything Girahim makes so it's not like this theory holds much weight. I just find it fascinating that this specific version of the Trident is the only one that holds any reverence or significance. Enough that it has its own prison, with its own inscription, detailing a very specific ability. Though now that I'm thinking about it, Demise and his minions arose from beneath the earth, right? Isn't it a bit suspect that the Trident in the upcoming Echoes of Wisdom game suddenly has this heretofore unique ability to create rifts along the surface of Hyrule??? Perhaps Demise didn't come from beneath the *literal earth*, but through a rift?
@@dannattack4211 Right? And even then, this ONE iteration of the Trident is the only time it looks like that. That said, I'd still like to see Girahim make a return in some capacity. If not as a spirit, then as a long-dormant weapon, mirroring the Master Sword like he did way back. Come to think of it, the Death Sword from Twilight Princess is black with red inscription. And it's a popular headcanon that it was "Ganondorf's Sword", despite the lack of proof. However, it was imprisoned in the desert, just like the Four Swords Trident. 🤔🤔🤔
This. This is my new Canon. I absolutely LOVE how you've connected all these points in a way that writes a cohesive story. I really REALLY like this video. Jaw was dropped when you said the dungeons were safe-havens for the other races. Good job man. Insane quality theory.
What makes it make even more sense - the dungeons are literally called Temples. A temple is a holy place of worship and is synonymous with the word Sanctuary. In other words, Hylia created a sanctuary in each major region for each major race.
I like this theory. The two princesses could have had their identities concealed to protect them. Zelda being sent off to become a priestess, and Impa working under Mineru.
Further evidence that the past in totk predates skyward sword is that, while Zelda comes back from the future, link is not present to fight ganandorf which must mean that the reincarnation cycle hasn't yet started
@RoyalPhoenix991 what if the existence of the mastersword is a paradox. By sending it back in time Hylia was inspired to insure its creation. By sending it back it creates 2 masterswords but we simply only interacted with the one weve sent back
@dtk1981 Well technically there weren't two masterswords at the start of the game. When we first see dragon zelda flying around the sky island she doesn't have the master sword in her head. That only appears after link sends it back in time. So the original timeline has zelda still turn into a dragon regardless. So the link at the start would be the starting of the paradox. Shit gives me a headache, cause that would mean there's a version of link who never sent the sword back in the first place leading to another paradox. That would mean the MS was create by hylia of her own design with no inspirations
I think the problem is how clearly the devs communicated that they didn't care about continuity. It was so strongly negative that everyone was perfectly willing to believe that there was no effort in maintaining timeline consistency. Actually, even though this theory is compelling and seems to line up with the facts, I'm not sure if it even is the intended truth, because it doesn't even seem like the team behind Tears really cares about writing at all.
also, the castle was moved to cover the site at which gannon was being held as to not disturb the spell and break it the castles' whole purpose is to seal and protect Raurus spell
Probably because he doesn't sound like he's talking out of his ass (as much as he tries to downplay it as such). There is every indication that the three newest games are connected, and that they happen far from the other games in order to give the writers a buffer, this video is playing into that as intended, while other videos are obsessing over dumb things like "lInK iS aCtuAllY a StAlfOs gUys"
@@daniel8181agreed people like zeltik who is usually smart with the newer games it sounds like he is just saying random stuff but this dude sounds like he was actually doing research
@@carterbohren8253 There is a really interesting interview with aonuma and fujibayashi, where fujibayashi explained his approach to the "lore" as "like archaeology". This approach makes people like myself MORE interested in the "lore" than before because it becomes a massive puzzle. Other youtubers seem to view the "lore" of zelda as a series of puzzles, each game completes a single puzzle that can sit next to a previous puzzle in a gallery. I think people like myself and this youtuber see the games as one massive puzzle that is only slightly more complete with each entry, revealing connections as more pieces are added. The point of view changes the reaction significantly, if each entry must be neatly tied up, when you see totk you say "This is incomplete! They did not finish the game!" but when its only a handful of pieces inside a larger work, the conclusion is "Ah, I am that much closer to understanding"
Yaaaaaaaas. I feel like the lore in this game is so Beautifully vague and really fun to speculate about. It makes the entire franchise feel even MORE like plausible legends from the past, like we keep getting pieces of it, but never the full story. That's the most fun way to tell a story, I think. It keeps the mystery in tact while also paving the way for some really fun revelations. Good work my guy.
Totally. Zelda lore is kinda unique where it somehow manages to straddle the line between there being concrete answers a somehow creating a fertile bed for imaginative speculation that isn't just crazy, but might be legit. Almost like a puzzle that doesn't just fit together one way but it's not just chaos either. You can literally solve the "puzzle" a few different ways
@@zachhiggins1668 Exactly. And like... that's basically the fun of studying history anyway, since we can never truly Truly know what happened. And there's never really one answer, since every person's perspective can be so different. Like there's for sure a true version, but the fun part is reasoning and trying to figure out if it works! Then sometimes someone comes along with new evidence and it completely changes everything!
This is legendary imo. This all connects so well, But maybe it's because I'm a big TOTK fan despite it's flaws. ( I think TOTK has so much creative potential that wasn't capitalized on, but it leaves so much room for brainstorming and imagination!) I very much like the Sheikah and the royal family being sister families descended from Rauru and Sonia. I lends credence to the Idea that Hyrule was "restarted" more than once. Rauru's Hyrule was the first, was halted after the Wars between Hylia and Demise, only to be reinstated by Hylia-reincarnated Zelda, intentionally obscuring the Zonai into myth. Also, It's fitting that Hylia decided to be reincarnated into the bloodline of her most devoted priestess Sonia (presumably.)
Loved it, only breadcrumb to offer is "The descriptions of the First Calamity line up scary well with descriptions of the War against Demise." In the first, we get what seems like an incarnation/priestess of Hylia and her Chosen Hero sealing away an Incarnation of Demise, alone save four divine beasts and an army of guardians. In the second, we have Hylia and her Chosen Hero sealing away an incarnation of Demise, ostensibly alone after having sent everyone to safety in the sky. They could very well be two differing but non-exclusionary accounts of the same event.
it would kinda make sense given how hyrule and every other nation in the zelda series never seems to advance. every super technology is always from some ancient past, the weapons of choice are always swords and spears and bows centuries or even millennia after laser weapons were made, the written and even drawn history of the zelda series dates back dozens of thousands of years and thats assuming every game including skyward sword takes place after the first battle with calamity 10,000 years before botw, every super weapon is thousands of years old forged either by gods or by lost ancient civilizations, "modern times" in zelda games always being medieval-esque fantasy. if not a timeline loop than certainly with all these events repeating and progress never being made and technological advancements only ever having been done by lost ancient civilizations and world ending threats coming one after another after another anywhere from a couple years to decades to centuries apart and we never evolve past using swords and bows as weapons, there is credence to a "loop" of some kind happening.
The eye symbol was clearly taken from the Zonai to the Shiekah and not the other way around. As Rauru actally HAS the third eye on his forehead that looks exactly like the symbol and it's very unlikely that he was so inspired by the sheikah that he just... grew a third eye
As much as I like the ideas of this theory the interviews and story of TOTK just kimda proved to me that there was rarely any thought behind most story elements
something worth noting though is that even though the directors and producers that show up for interviews may not care that much, the artists that work on the elements of the games directly probably give all those little details a lot more thought and care that we give them credit for, have a look at the artbooks for botw and you'll see what i mean
The story seems to be purposely vague for us the fans to speculate. Kinda like what the souls game before elden ring did. The game is literred with alchemical symbolism, and Buddhist concepts that could be tied into a narrative outside of the Zelda canon
2:22 just want to point out that in one of the new Echoes of Wisdom trailers, they specifically say that there are 2 different zora's, The River Zora and the Ocean Zora
My favorite part of all Zelda speculation is that the game's writers have pretty much said they come up with the game first and worry about lore later, so it's entirely possible they could see these theories and just go "hey, that works" and give it ye olde canon stamp via references in future games. This ties things together quite nicely I think.
I love this idea. I agree with everything said here. I think the only thing I disagree with is the reason this video was made. People are burnt out of Totk lore and all that because all the trailers and hype leading up to totk made us believe it would have this grand story that would answer all these questions. We mostly got more questions. Totk lore is interesting, and this video is really really interesting and points out things we haven't seen before, but I don't think anyone can be blamed for being pessimistic about totk lore. This video mostly disregards the actual story presented to you by totk aside from some main points (zelda going back, ganondorf's actions, etc) and I think that's a good thing. totk's story needed wayyyyyyyy more fleshing out, and it's also the thinking of "but this is the story of the game, we should focus on that." you were willing to dive deeper and think outside the walls of the story to reach for some pretty believable stuff. goddess sword being zonai technology? bit of a fucking reach. when it's explained a little further? hm that makes sense... all in all amazing video. I just wish totk had more in it to help push your ideas and less demon king? secret stone?
This is a better version of what I said in my comment. I loved the energy and passion in the video, but it's just not saving anything for me. I love theorizing and speculating, but only if it actually has an answer that is being worked up to. If no theory can be proven, or everything gets blown up every few games, what is the point? When every theory can be right, no one can be right, and then we're just sharing fanfic and head canon. Which is fun, but not the same thing as theory and prediction.
the mural in castle town with the winged people is only in the remaster and not the original. the artist who created it said they just thought it would be cool and is not official lore. But the zelda team still could have taken it as canon and added onto it.
The thing about writing a story is that no one *ever* plans out the entire thing all at once. You start writing and the story takes its own shape. That's especially true for something like Zelda, which has nearly 40 years of history, each game written as its own contained story with lore that ties them together. So it honestly doesn't matter if adding those rito to castle town was just to look cool. It's still something that can and will have implications for the shape of the story going forward.
it's also noteworthy that the twilight princess remaster was developed very much alongside botw, there's lot's of very intentional seeming similarities between the botw ancient sheikah and the twili
yeah, it was literally brought up by one of the developers that that was just something they added in for fun because it looked nice. It was not lore relevant whatsoever
I actually really liked this video. Like REALLY REALLY liked this video. More than the other high quality/production value theory videos because 1. This lore is just absolutelly insane 2. bro's just really happy bout it and that rubs off. Good job man, A+
Wasn't expecting that one for sure. I'm skeptical about Demise sending TOTK Ganondorf as a minion. I mean, we clearly see in Skyward Sword that he despises his subordinates, as shown when he turns Ghirahim back into his demon sword. To me, Demise would clearly be worried of TOTK Ganondorf breaking away from his control and getting the Triforce for himself (which also matches TOTK Ganondorf's character better as well). I still believe that TOTK past takes place eons after the timeline we know of and that Rauru and Sonia just created a new Hyrule. Fun theory though.
What if demise hating his minions stems from the fact that the first one he ever had, TOTK Ganondorf, turned out to be so wilful and power-hungry, failing in his mission as a result
while i also made a theory video on what we see being a second founding. this video has way more supporting evidence on the contrary and makes way more sense
I don't think of Ganondorf so much as Demise's subordinate as he is a lingering bit of Demise himself. Though the scemantics for how all of that works are really vague. My personal theory is that all other games take place in the timeline where Demise cursed the world with his hatred after losing the duel to Link, while BotW and TotK take place on the timeline where Link wished to the Goddesses to kill Demise, so they dropped a temple on him.
Especially when rauru says : at least I think I am or something along those lines I forget the exact line of dialogue but regardless, that shows that he is not sure if he is the first king of hyrule and so many people, including some of the youtubers that do Zelda for a living.missed that line and also these 2 games have been breaking convention and doing new things, so not having a ganon would be one of them or having something equivalent to it like the ss power up & the dragon transformation and also that power up looking very much like demise shows that ganondorf is a reincarnation & in botw it's literally stated that he gave up on reincarnation & made the blights & such so he is most definitely a reincarnation of the hatred
Unbelievably enough, this is the best and only way I've seen that feasibly connect totk/botw lore with the rest of the timeline; and what's more, I believe it!
Thanks for being open to having fun with this lore. I can’t believe it took the algorithm a month to show me this vid, but better late than never. Subbed!
This is an amazing theory, and I’m near-thoroughly convinced. I’d been working on my own timeline, but I think I’ll have to change mine now. However, I have a few questions: -if races like the gerudo already existed, what did the implication that groose would found the gerudo mean? -what about the race in skyward sword that are clear ancestors to the zora, or the more ancient Gorons? -how would the surface of the world still look so similar after dozens of mellennia, and a war that presumably ravaged the land? -why did the skyloftians found a hyrule so similar to that from the flashbacks?
Fujibayashi: I like archaeology, and zelda fans like to make theories, so I made SS, BotW, and most especially TotK to play into that Mid-zelda fans: THE LORE IS ABSOLUTELY RUINED, THERES LITERALLY NOTHING TO WORK WITH HERE, NOTHING IS EXPLAINED TO ME AND EVERYTHING IS ALSO PARADOXICALLY OVER-EXPLAINED, THE SERIES IS RUINED WHEN WILL AONUMA DIE?! This guy, 12 coffees deep:
Love the enthusiasm. The insanity of zelda theorists and the complex lore is what's so fun about the series. I don't get the pessimism after TOTK from fans who say the timeline is ruined or whatever. It feels like they gave up but I think it just means trying harder to dig through everything and make sense of it. I'm excited to see what comes next in the series. Personally, I think theres a possibility they might be building up to ending the cycle of rebirth. Maybe that's wishful thinking because the last two games made me ship Link and Zelda, and the only way I can see they properly being together is if the cycle ends. Buuuutt at the same time it's supposed to be and endless cycle and there's something really appealing about that.
I saw a video recently about HOW the timeline came to be and though it was written and was not thrown together, the community and the fans are important in developing the series whether we think so or not. This kind of attitude and energy is what we need. I enjoyed every minute of this video as a Zelda fan and genuinely thank you. Keep doing what youre doing and everyone else needs to join in, its important
Too many contradictions for it to be pre Skyward Sword. TOTK states that the founding Hyrule Castle which sealed Ganondorf was completely undamaged until the first Calamity (in both Ganondorf's in game character profile and the Hyrule Castle monument in the game), when Hyrule Castle is destroyed by Ganondorf in TP and OOT. Why is the castle nowhere to be seen during SS? TOTK Ganondorf cannot be the first when the Encyclopedia confirms OOT Ganondorf was the first. TOTK's founding shows Zonai Rauru standing around the Zonai-design Temple of TIme, but Hyrule Historia states Hylian Rauru was present at Hyrule's founding to build the Hylian-design Temple of Time. TOTK has the Gerudo sage and others shown in cutscenes have pointy ears, before the Gerudo evolved from round ears in OOT to pointy ears in BOTW?
I don't mean to be mean- but every time I hear someone say "I FIXED TOTK LORE" I just roll my eyes, because every time they ignore most of the lore stated in the game, multiple times, in every language, just to put in somewhere else in the timeline other than at the end for some reason. I saw someone tell to people who corrected them with actual stated information that their theory wasn't wrong, it was Nintendo who was wrong for putting the rito in the past. They're so delusional it's driving me crazy, why is it so hard to accept that TOTK is not in the past of the timeline in any way???
Because of the fandom's disagreement on the canon nature of the hyrule historia,I like to personally look at it as being (mostly) written down in universe, allowing certain things to be twisted. Like the world just forgot about OG ganondorf, as it was really long ago. It was established that Raaru was at the founding, building the temple of time, they just attributed it to the wrong Raaru, etc. The gerudo evolution theory is not hard fact. The other theory is that because they started listening to tge godess, their ears became pointy. In that same vein it could argued that their ears became round because they stopped listening. As to the castle... idk. It might've just been rebuilt a couple of times on the same spot. Because it never moved, people by the time of totk might assume it was never destroyed/ damaged? My defense for that is flimsy at best. Like in the original Japanese the logs are written from link's perspective, maybe the character data is too? That I don't know. The geography between games also isn't exactly consistent, so again idk. With any long running series you're bound to have cracks and retcons. Finding a theory that is perfect without any flaw is going to be impossible I think.
This theory is very similar to the one I created and have been peddling around different comment sections In mine i argued that the Zelda who time travels all the way back is actually interpreted by history to be Hylia herself, a blonde "goddess" who showed up one day to help protect the people and the triforce before vanishing suddenly And I also tried to ground Ganondorf I this way by explaining the Ganondorf we see get the stones and transforming into the Dark Demon king is Demise himself. Demise isn't controlling that past Ganondorf, that past Ganondorf WAS Demise before getting that power. And the Demise we see in Skyward is a manifestation of that locked away power
This is close to my own position on the story, at least regarding TOTK Gamondorf = Demise. I dont think that Zelda becoming Hylia makes as much sense unfortunately because its pretty clear Demise’s musings on Zelda compared to Hylia that she is a shadow of her former self and was absolutely an ascended being of sorts. I really doubt that Demise is supposed to be an unreliable narrator in regards to this description.
That would contradict how Demise described her. He felt it'd be an insult to Hylia to compare her to a "mere sack of flesh" that Zelda is in SS. He likened Hylia to a magnificent being beyond comprehension. That is definitely not BotW/TotK Zelda.
Given that the goddess statues talk to Link, I don’t think Zelda would be seen as Hylia. That was my first thought lol. She turned into a dragon and the sages watched it happen, the only history they give us in TotK is about the royal family, plus Zelda, who is a relative. And those are tablets deliberately floated into the sky by a royal family simp. Unless Zelda wanted them in the sky for Link to find, which would be cute but did she know he would be in the sky? Probably not, but she did intend to become a dragon so he’s gotta find her in the sky either way.
Time travel is weird in Zelda. There has to be a deity or something that values Gorons over Zora based on the fact that in Oracle of Ages, Link was apparently destined to save the Goron chief, but not the Zora king, who is dead until Link goes back in time to give him a potion.
Small nitpick that doesn't really mess with the theory, but the “bird man” that was in the carvings in Twilight Princess was only there in the HD remaster. It wasn't put there by the game designers, just the people working on the remaster that didn't know the lore they were messing up by doing so
In the last part of the video I was like "wait but what about Ganondorf beneath the castle", but the thing about gloom being different from malice really got me thinking. Well done!
Omg finally a lore video that makes sense, best explanation I’ve heard so far! BUT I also wonder if the goddess Hylia is actually one of the daughters of Sonia and Rauru
It's been a while since I've enjoyed listening to a Zelda theory - Heck, a youtube video- so much. It was incredibly satisfying. I'm so glad this ended up in my feed. I'd really like to commend your story-telling capabilities, and how fluid and well-thought out this presentation of information was. It was narratively fulfilling, and made a lot of connections I haven't heard anywhere else. This interpretation of the overall zelda timeline is fascinating- And the fact that BotW, TotK, and SS were apparently made by the same team is something I never even realized, but certainly adds a lot more credibility to it being a single cohesive narrative between them, with most other zelda games filling in the space between. ...I dunno. Thanks for making this, it really hit my dopamine button just right.
At first I was skeptical when you suggested that TOTK’s past takes place before Skyward Sword, until I realized, despite that era having a Ganondorf, there was no Link or Master Sword. And we don’t really know if there was a Zelda either. So it actually makes perfect sense.
I was dubious from the beginning when you mentioned the Interloper War being before Hyrule’s creation, but It was always weird to me how there ALWAYS seems to be something more ancient than the last thing. SS had things on the surface BEFORE the demon tribe and the springs and temples were created far before that. TOTK obviously had the Zonai, TP the Interloper War… but this really does seem plausible and make so much sense. (There are a few long shot things, but it all works. Omg.) and it’s such a unique idea and structuring of everything too, all predicated in the idea that there was a BEFORE to Hylia doing things
I once saw a post that said "Hyrule Historia shows the kind of skill and dedication one painter can have when instructed to put artisanal bulls-eyes around every arrow at Thermopylae." This video is the absolute pinnacle of that art form, and I mean that as the highest possible compliment.
Interesting theory. I did have a theory myself that the Sheika were descended from the Zonai. It would explain why all the Sheika have white hair. (Except young Impa is blond in Skyward sword but...) And it explains why the Sheika seem to have knowledge about technology, while other Hylians don't. I think that there were once more Zonai who also have descendants who became the Sheika rather than all Sheika coming from Raru and Sonia though.
One minor nitpick that may or may not affect the zora/rito part of this: Evolution does not mean that one species turns into another, it’s two species diverging from a common ancestor. The original species can most certainly still exist at the same time indefinitely. [edit: totally badass concept btw, certainly seems plausible!]
22:38 This stone engraving was created independently without Nintendo, as the original version of the game used a very pixelated image of a real stone wall (I believe one from a Roman ruin). The company hired by Nintendo for the HD version had to create a new texture and the person responsible for this has confirmed that Nintendo was not involved. Source: ...youtube.../watch?v=8rKm43kUWYM
Is solvet et coagula, the process of dissolving to create something new from the broken pieces. The game is full of alchemical symbolism. As above so below etc. could be interpreted that the timelines are broken, and is up to us to build them back up. The game theme is all about that process. Creating your own contraption from different pieces, using your mind and imagination, the light dissolving the darkness. The game could be interpreted beyond the Zelda cannon. But most people will miss it sadly Could be interpreted that light and darkness are locked in a dance. That Hyrule is an allegory for the human mind, and how the conscious higher self is on a mission to illuminate the animal drive of the lower self. Bringing the light of God from above to illuminate the animal of below
This is by far the theory that makes the most sense. It explains everything as well as what urked that Botw Ganon had malice but Totk Ganondorf had gloom.
It's funny, I'd already kind of theorized that there was a time loop involved with Zelda going back and getting the events in motion, but you found a lot of details that I hadn't noticed! Very nice!
Also I'm so glad I found this because I've been so disheartened by all the negativity surrounding the game. I was so excited for the discussion and speculation surrounding TotK, but it feels like so many have just written off the lore as a result of careless writing. And while there are things that bug me a bit, it's so far from being a deal breaker for me. I adore this game, I adore its story, and I'm so glad to see someone else who also adores the mental gymnastics trying to make it all work.
@@kitsunekurisumusicI agree with u that it is Nintendo’s fault, but the fact is that the space is dead bc of it. And he’s making a good effort with this video
Yeah, the issue I am seeing with this is that the topography of Hyrule in the TotK past matches up pretty solidly with the topography of BotW and Future TotK, in a way that no other instances of Hyrule's topography does. The intermediate games move their topography around so much that you can't claim that the map of Hyrule changed that much only to go back.
There was a theory that I saw that covered the various maps and their reasoning/expaination was basically that they are different regions in a greater landmass (old and new hyrule) I probably did a really poor job explaining and I can’t remember the exact video but I think it was something like “Zelda maps explained” or something similar
that's not correct, the general layout of hyrule is pretty consistent in a general sense: castle in the northern-center, desert to the east, mountains to the north, forest and lake to the south... the only games that really don''t follow this are the four sword trilogy, but those were made by capcom. What the topography of botw and totk do is consolidate basically every place from every game that fits it in the same map, but none of the features outright contradict anything i believe besides with the concept of the timelines merging it kinda does make sense that the kingdom would sorta return to it's original true shape of sorts
This was excellent work! My only thing to add is that the carving in TP Castle Town is a product of the HD remake. While I don't remember who made the video about it, it does exist and it was ultimately discovered that the carving was designed by someone on the remake team but unaffiliated with the lore, and that they wanted to include their own unofficial story within the carvings.
The Ritos in the TP HD carvings are not canon, the company that made the game already said they just took Zelda characters at random they found cool. Nintendo and the Zelda team did NOT approve this. Watch the Zeltik video about it.
It has been a very long time since I've been truly invested in Zelda lore and Zelda lore content. This is a very interesting video, and it has brought me back to that time very nicely. Whether or not I fully believe everything in the vid is a moot point, the value is in the journey and nudge that journey gives towards imagining all of the possibilities.
neat theory, other than the fact that skyward sword should happen long before that setting for it to happen, and hylia's incarnation as a human was irreversible, a final gambit to use the triforce herself. Honestly, I think it's actually a lot simpler, specially seeing how modern hyrule(even before the calamity) looks so fully euromedieval-inspired while ancient hyrule seems a lot more maya in aesthetics; the games before botw were *literally* legends, loosely based on real events and mythology, likely told during the 100 years of downfall after calamity ganon struck(which would explain why, in release order, the game stories went from a hero ending an era of decline to a "returning" hero preventing it from happening over time, people's evolving copium), and botw and totk are simply "historically accurate", hence why the world design is so much more naturalistic and all the places that reference game locations with much more grounded design.
My challenge is the reasons why Rauru’s kingdom can’t have been before Skyward Sword, of which there are many. Lots of videos talk about it, I’ve talked about it on Reddit myself. But the bit about hiding the Triforce is cool idea. Sonya could also be Zelda’s great aunt of sorts. Rauru and Sonya don’t have to have had a child in order for her to be related to Zelda.
There's multiple things in this video. I talked about with myself as well like the subordinate to demise thing, not making any sense as in the previous game, it was literally stated that gain and gave up on reincarnation and the secret stone transformation looking very much like demise, very much shows that this ganondorf is just a reincarnation and also the line rarur say: at least the last time I checked or something along the length of that I don't follow your remember shows that he is not sure if he is the first king of hyrule rule or the first one to establish hyrule And there were so many other things that.we're sending this video that I do bunked myself just from what I know the other games because some of the things were just misunderstanding Lore or just making things up to fit his argument
@@ZorusSerif yeah!!! Like the Gerudo was not even existing yet in Skyward Sword... Impossible that they exist before... For me they're only 1 Ganondorf. Each time we see Ganondorf, it's the same one!!!!
@@GagnesterLOL just because we dont see them doesn't mean they don't exist??? you don't see any kokiri in twilight princess either but that doesn't mean they were just retconned out of the game or anything
@@Yamartim in twilight princess Kokiri forest is litterally in the game... Gerudo are not in twilight princess either, but they probably are somewhere in the game, just hidden so yeah your point is correct, but in skyward sword, it's different!!! it would be really really really surprising to have the confirmation that gerudo are existing in that period of times!!
This was awesome! I've only ever played "Link to The Past" and the two latest incarnations... The lore is incredible and you described it so well... Thanks fella!
This is a great take that i think more people should consider. I dont think the lore of TotK was ever the real problem, i think people just like to kneejerk react instead of diving in to make it make sense. I think TotK’s main problem is the story flow and writing itself, which is much more clunky and odd than prior games. Especially how they crammed it into a format that doesnt work for a properly linear story. It worked for BotW cus while BotW’s was “linear”, we already knew how it ended. We’re just picking up the pieces. TotK’s is new characters with new plot elements and major story moments that you can very easily see out of order, spoiling the twists. Its really badly executed. But again, the behind-the-scenes lore is really interesting, and if people took more time to think about it like this, i think we would have less pessimism. I dont agree with everything you say, but i think you have the bigger picture down really well, and i think people should look at it like this more.
Hey man, I just want to point out a few things I noticed. A small nitpick to start out according to the Hyrule Encyclopedia the Twili were banished after Skyward Sword. The Thunder Dragon himself said that he built all the Lanayru robots in Skyward Sword so it couldn’t have been zonai tech. Fi herself said she was crafted by Hylia not by the order of Hylia. And finally the Fire and Thunder temple were in the ground not in the sky, while they could both be considered safe havens you said Hylia rose them into the sky while in Tears of the Kingdom they were the furthest temples from the sky.
I do like this take on the history. It establishes a prehistory of the world that we get a glimpse of during SS, and can help account for the second Ganondorf, particularly that he doesnt have a Ganon form, if he is not the origin of the Calamity that is. My one question would be in regards to the split in the timeline and where that leaves the events of present day BotW and TotK. Im assuming that the theory would have to be that there was some sort of convergence event that forced the timelines back together? That in and of itself would likely have been a catastrophic natural disaster, the merging of three parallel timelines cant have happened smoothly
I honestly thought at first, that this was going to be cringy and not well thought out, but all of this makes sense, and is very well thought out. The mastersword breaking as well, could tie back to Demise's soul being released from the master sword, and him being able to affect Gannon again.
still confused bc sonia and raaru were "the first rulers of hyrule", but hylia established hyrule.. i still think that the past of raaru and sonia has to be a second "begginning of the timeline", where everything before was on large spiral/circle, and that past is directly above the past of skyward sword, hence all the parrrellelism. its all but stated that the reason the gerudo havent had a male gerudo since the time of raaru because gannondorf was in suspended animation, so bookending the timeline with raaru on one side and botw/totk on the other doesnt quite work. secret stones amplify your own innate power, so ganondorf's would only amplify the power of demise if it was innate to him, like say.. he was an incarnation of demise's hatred.
Eh, being that the timeline is all about legends being passed on, it wouldn't surprise me if over time things got exaggerated. Like originally it was Raaru and Sonia who created it in function of Hylia, who was still around, but over time it became just Hylia in the mind of the people. Especially if she was around after their death and more visible.
I don't think it was never stated that Hylia established hyrule, just that Hyrule was established during the era of Hylia Also what if the "gerudo male is born every 100 years" thing actually just started BECAUSE of post-demise ganondorf reincarnating and when he explicitly gave up on reincarnations (as said in botw) the gerudo stopped having male children as a whole As for the demise appearence thing, the red glowing hair and eyes could just be what raw "darkness power" looks like in the zelda universe in general
I think it's notable that Koume and Kotake are OoT Ganondorf's adopted parents. That means THEY may have named him after a lost legend of OG Ganondorf. Also, we technically have no proof to say they aren't the same Koume and Kotake shown in Totk. I have had a lot of optimistic theory crafting around BotW and TotK. I really appreciate all of your thoughts and for putting out some positive creative vibes!
The one counter argument that another person brought up on a separate video was that the Gerudo gained a green eye color post-OoT due to accepting the Goddess's Wisdom, therefore losing their yellow eyes forever. That is, until whichever reincarnation of Ganondorf we're working with is born during Rauru/Sonia's time.
Another thought on the "LD" of all of the little robots...... LD doesn't stand for Lanayru Desert, it stands for Lanayru Dragon. Like maybe it's implied he assisted in the creation of these little guys. It's a thought, and not one I've seen anyone else talk about. That said, great vid! I love the whole thought line and plan to check out more of your stuff, it was a fun watch!
This makes the most perfect sense holy crap. Another thought is that it must’ve been a realization for Sonia and Rauru that Zelda IS the hylia in that time, being that Zelda is the incarnation of Hylia and that light was sensed from Sonia AND rauru. And that there was no questions asked. Zelda, a goddess of time mortal. THE legend of Zelda.
I love how this video gets recommended to me immediately after Nintendo say that BoTW and ToTK are separate to the timeline. They need to watch this video and learn something
Great video! I did notice that the "stylized triforce" looked exactly like 3 secret stones arranged in a triforce pattern, and I'm not sure what exactly that means, but it might help explain secret stones more???
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Do you think the Oocca are a hybrid of the Skyloftians and Rito that remained in the air 😳
Honestly it's so sad we didn't see everyone's favorite species the Oocaa in Tears of the Kingdom
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I literally just started watching, and from what you said up to the 50 second mark I think that you might've had the same interpretation of the game that I did.
I will comment again when I finish watching, here's hoping my comments don't randomly get deleted.
So I just finished the video and I think that we have fairly similar ideas about the game’s story concepts and ties to Skyward Sword.
There are some nitpicks that I have with your theory as well as some personal embellishments I would add from my own ponderings.
I’d like to discuss them with you if that’s possible, but UA-cam comments are hardly a good place for that considering how often completely innocuous messages have been getting deleted lately.
I was wondering if you would be up for having a discussion on Discord or another platform?
Why would you say this? WHY would you say this?! I'm going to be haunted by this possibility in my sleep for the rest of my life now
The Rito cannot have existed in the child timeline. They evolved from Zora because of the flood.
Watching this video was like a friend explaining a conspiracy map that's tied together with string and thumbtacks, except the string is made of spaghetti and also we're both on meth
It’s so nice of you to take meth with your friend before listening to his conspiracy theory.
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That’s just this and FNaF’s whole thing at this point. XD
To be fair you can say that about the entire timeline
pepe silvia
In general, acknowledging Rito as a term for a peoples and not a species is key. That very easily removes many plot contradictions.
The Rito not being the WW Rito is like one of the easiest plotholes to explain. The WW ones were magically evolved zoras due to the flood. BotW Rito are just naturally occurring.
the fact that rito is just the japanese word for bird (tori) reversed makes this make even more sense
It would also make sense for the Zora to start evolving after the flood, freak out about it, try to do research on what's happening to them, find info about an ancient race of bird people blessed by the gods called Rito, and figure that must be what they are now and it was all just a blessing from the gods.
And zoras being "fish people" or "water people", in real life we give the same name to totally different species
@@amandaslough125 Honestly? There are claims that the Zora all evolved into Rito, and that there are no Zora in Wind Waker still living but like... There are fishmen you feed and get info from... Can you remind me of the description of a Zora?
2 things:
1:how many bananas did you smoke before
2:why does this make so much sense?
I tried cooking bananas over a fire with some friends. the result was mediocre at best and just tasted like warm bananas.
A crippling fixation and undying passion in the face of pessimism is a drunk in and of itself
I like to think that this is what the game developers intended when they made totk, for us to literaly just start making up stuff for the sake of trying to create our own satisfying conclusions to something that seemed to reject us if we got ONE thing wrong
I mean. Does it make sense? It's being claimed that the totk ancient past with the zonai happens before demise as far as i can tell, which wouldn't make sense. Like at all
@@auraFireblood In what way does it not make sense? This is about as close to my personal theory on how this fits into the timeline as I've seen anyone get so far. I don't see a single thing that contradicts it, but if you've got one, I'm all ears. I just haven't been proven wrong yet, and I'm eager to be. In fact, there are notable pieces in here that fill in a few of the final holes in my personal theory.
@@JRook-00Curious, how do we explain the items from different games like the majoras's mask outfit and such? Also do you have an idea of where present TOTK would fit into the timeline?
"This Ganondorf doesn't have a Ganon...!"
Bro, I had to put my crochet hook down and let that one sink in.
Well, I don't think that one's too big of a revelation. Ganon has always been the form Ganondorf is transformed into by the Triforce of Power. This Ganondorf never found the Triforce, so of course he wouldn't transform into Ganon.
He does, tho. Calamity Ganon and Dark Beast Ganon are Ganondorf's Ganon forms
@@Sarah_Hpersonally I see both of those more as Phantoms/ a manifestation of Ganondorf’s powers (aka the gloom/malice) than actual forms, since Ganondorfs doesn’t transform into them since in BOTW Ganondorf is still being held by Raru’s bind.
They’re basically like overpowered Gloom Ganons haha 😂
At least that’s ny point of view.
lol, what a wholesome scene you've painted.
But he does... Ganon represents a Pig... What is Calamity Ganon? Not a Goat 🐐
If I may, I want to run a theory that I've had in my head for a few years regarding Girahim. It should be noted that Girahim and Fi have the same aesthetic design. Diamond motifs, similar hair, the same eyes (when not in disguise).
Consider for a moment the Trident of Darkness as it appears in Four Swords Adventure. An all-black trident with a red gemstone, hidden away by the Gerudo in a pyramid. With the inscription that says that it will allow its wielder to "become the King of Darkness."
What if Girahim, Demise's living weapon, didn't merely fade away? What if Girahim still exists as Ganondorf's chosen weapons? Recall that while Fi only takes the form of the single blade, Girahim creates multiple blades. Sabers, daggers, a claymore... So why not a trident? One that Ganondorf's kin would seal away in the hopes that their rogue king would never find?
0 o 0 That actually seems like something a designer had hoped someone would notice
@@cartoonistanonymous And the Trident takes many different forms from game to game, Four Swords Adventure is the one game where it has the same colors as anything Girahim makes so it's not like this theory holds much weight. I just find it fascinating that this specific version of the Trident is the only one that holds any reverence or significance. Enough that it has its own prison, with its own inscription, detailing a very specific ability.
Though now that I'm thinking about it, Demise and his minions arose from beneath the earth, right? Isn't it a bit suspect that the Trident in the upcoming Echoes of Wisdom game suddenly has this heretofore unique ability to create rifts along the surface of Hyrule??? Perhaps Demise didn't come from beneath the *literal earth*, but through a rift?
If only his other signature weapons from games bared resemblance to lord Ghirahim
@@dannattack4211 Right? And even then, this ONE iteration of the Trident is the only time it looks like that. That said, I'd still like to see Girahim make a return in some capacity. If not as a spirit, then as a long-dormant weapon, mirroring the Master Sword like he did way back.
Come to think of it, the Death Sword from Twilight Princess is black with red inscription. And it's a popular headcanon that it was "Ganondorf's Sword", despite the lack of proof. However, it was imprisoned in the desert, just like the Four Swords Trident.
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I like that
This. This is my new Canon. I absolutely LOVE how you've connected all these points in a way that writes a cohesive story. I really REALLY like this video. Jaw was dropped when you said the dungeons were safe-havens for the other races. Good job man. Insane quality theory.
Same... I literally gasped
Sameeee, the way I got chills several times throughout this video! It'll be my new Canon from now on 😂
What makes it make even more sense - the dungeons are literally called Temples. A temple is a holy place of worship and is synonymous with the word Sanctuary. In other words, Hylia created a sanctuary in each major region for each major race.
It's baffling how every now and then someone comes along with a whole new take on the Zelda story that completely changes my perspective! Great work!
I like this theory. The two princesses could have had their identities concealed to protect them. Zelda being sent off to become a priestess, and Impa working under Mineru.
The Zonai son eventually rising to become the hero during the first calamity
I just thought about this, but queen sonia must have already had kids before meeting Zelda, since shortly after she gets killed 😢
As someone who loves watching Zelda creators all over UA-cam, I can confidently say that you are so underrated and I loved this video.
Getting so lazy and stale lately this guy is a real breath of fresh air
He wont be for long if he keeps this up lol he gonna have tha subs soon...great video and i aint even done yet
Further evidence that the past in totk predates skyward sword is that, while Zelda comes back from the future, link is not present to fight ganandorf which must mean that the reincarnation cycle hasn't yet started
I never thought about that, and Rauru didn't know the name Link... this makes too much sense
And the master sword doesnt exist yet either. U blew my mind.
I’ve seen some say that Rauru Carrie’s the spirit of the hero, could that be true?
@RoyalPhoenix991 what if the existence of the mastersword is a paradox. By sending it back in time Hylia was inspired to insure its creation. By sending it back it creates 2 masterswords but we simply only interacted with the one weve sent back
@dtk1981 Well technically there weren't two masterswords at the start of the game. When we first see dragon zelda flying around the sky island she doesn't have the master sword in her head. That only appears after link sends it back in time. So the original timeline has zelda still turn into a dragon regardless. So the link at the start would be the starting of the paradox. Shit gives me a headache, cause that would mean there's a version of link who never sent the sword back in the first place leading to another paradox. That would mean the MS was create by hylia of her own design with no inspirations
Thank you, I feel like my go to theorists just gave up and didn't even try.
Your so right, many of them where like “Nah, there’s nothing here, just disappointment”.
@@Pajarocaro well yeah i mean gameplay wise the game was a dissapointment so it kind of bled over to lore
I think the problem is how clearly the devs communicated that they didn't care about continuity. It was so strongly negative that everyone was perfectly willing to believe that there was no effort in maintaining timeline consistency.
Actually, even though this theory is compelling and seems to line up with the facts, I'm not sure if it even is the intended truth, because it doesn't even seem like the team behind Tears really cares about writing at all.
also, the castle was moved to cover the site at which gannon was being held as to not disturb the spell and break it the castles' whole purpose is to seal and protect Raurus spell
This is the first Zelda lore video where I went like “dang this guy cracked it!”
Probably because he doesn't sound like he's talking out of his ass (as much as he tries to downplay it as such). There is every indication that the three newest games are connected, and that they happen far from the other games in order to give the writers a buffer, this video is playing into that as intended, while other videos are obsessing over dumb things like "lInK iS aCtuAllY a StAlfOs gUys"
@@daniel8181agreed people like zeltik who is usually smart with the newer games it sounds like he is just saying random stuff but this dude sounds like he was actually doing research
@@carterbohren8253 There is a really interesting interview with aonuma and fujibayashi, where fujibayashi explained his approach to the "lore" as "like archaeology".
This approach makes people like myself MORE interested in the "lore" than before because it becomes a massive puzzle. Other youtubers seem to view the "lore" of zelda as a series of puzzles, each game completes a single puzzle that can sit next to a previous puzzle in a gallery. I think people like myself and this youtuber see the games as one massive puzzle that is only slightly more complete with each entry, revealing connections as more pieces are added. The point of view changes the reaction significantly, if each entry must be neatly tied up, when you see totk you say "This is incomplete! They did not finish the game!"
but when its only a handful of pieces inside a larger work, the conclusion is "Ah, I am that much closer to understanding"
I’ve been literally thinking about how annoyingly pessimistic Totk talk has become, so this has been super refreshing. 10/10
Yes totally refreshing!
Yaaaaaaaas. I feel like the lore in this game is so Beautifully vague and really fun to speculate about. It makes the entire franchise feel even MORE like plausible legends from the past, like we keep getting pieces of it, but never the full story. That's the most fun way to tell a story, I think. It keeps the mystery in tact while also paving the way for some really fun revelations. Good work my guy.
Totally. Zelda lore is kinda unique where it somehow manages to straddle the line between there being concrete answers a somehow creating a fertile bed for imaginative speculation that isn't just crazy, but might be legit. Almost like a puzzle that doesn't just fit together one way but it's not just chaos either. You can literally solve the "puzzle" a few different ways
@@zachhiggins1668 Exactly. And like... that's basically the fun of studying history anyway, since we can never truly Truly know what happened. And there's never really one answer, since every person's perspective can be so different. Like there's for sure a true version, but the fun part is reasoning and trying to figure out if it works! Then sometimes someone comes along with new evidence and it completely changes everything!
This is legendary imo. This all connects so well, But maybe it's because I'm a big TOTK fan despite it's flaws. ( I think TOTK has so much creative potential that wasn't capitalized on, but it leaves so much room for brainstorming and imagination!)
I very much like the Sheikah and the royal family being sister families descended from Rauru and Sonia. I lends credence to the Idea that Hyrule was "restarted" more than once. Rauru's Hyrule was the first, was halted after the Wars between Hylia and Demise, only to be reinstated by Hylia-reincarnated Zelda, intentionally obscuring the Zonai into myth. Also, It's fitting that Hylia decided to be reincarnated into the bloodline of her most devoted priestess Sonia (presumably.)
Loved it, only breadcrumb to offer is "The descriptions of the First Calamity line up scary well with descriptions of the War against Demise." In the first, we get what seems like an incarnation/priestess of Hylia and her Chosen Hero sealing away an Incarnation of Demise, alone save four divine beasts and an army of guardians. In the second, we have Hylia and her Chosen Hero sealing away an incarnation of Demise, ostensibly alone after having sent everyone to safety in the sky. They could very well be two differing but non-exclusionary accounts of the same event.
When all your peoples are safely evacuated, who's left to fight for you but machines?
What you're suggesting is the entire zelda timeline is one gigantic timeloop
Right, because that would be the most insane LOZ suggestion
@@Sleepy_Muse i mean.... im not saying it's impossible just very unlikely
I'll do one worse. It's a loop made by hylia which contains a smaller loop made by demise. A double loop
it would kinda make sense given how hyrule and every other nation in the zelda series never seems to advance. every super technology is always from some ancient past, the weapons of choice are always swords and spears and bows centuries or even millennia after laser weapons were made, the written and even drawn history of the zelda series dates back dozens of thousands of years and thats assuming every game including skyward sword takes place after the first battle with calamity 10,000 years before botw, every super weapon is thousands of years old forged either by gods or by lost ancient civilizations, "modern times" in zelda games always being medieval-esque fantasy. if not a timeline loop than certainly with all these events repeating and progress never being made and technological advancements only ever having been done by lost ancient civilizations and world ending threats coming one after another after another anywhere from a couple years to decades to centuries apart and we never evolve past using swords and bows as weapons, there is credence to a "loop" of some kind happening.
The eye symbol was clearly taken from the Zonai to the Shiekah and not the other way around. As Rauru actally HAS the third eye on his forehead that looks exactly like the symbol and it's very unlikely that he was so inspired by the sheikah that he just... grew a third eye
Wasn’t that what he said, that the shiekah eye was inspired by the zonai
As much as I like the ideas of this theory the interviews and story of TOTK just kimda proved to me that there was rarely any thought behind most story elements
something worth noting though is that even though the directors and producers that show up for interviews may not care that much, the artists that work on the elements of the games directly probably give all those little details a lot more thought and care that we give them credit for, have a look at the artbooks for botw and you'll see what i mean
The story seems to be purposely vague for us the fans to speculate. Kinda like what the souls game before elden ring did. The game is literred with alchemical symbolism, and Buddhist concepts that could be tied into a narrative outside of the Zelda canon
THIS is the kind of batshit yet conceivable Zelda theorizing I’ve been missing the last few years. This rocks
2:22 just want to point out that in one of the new Echoes of Wisdom trailers, they specifically say that there are 2 different zora's, The River Zora and the Ocean Zora
My favorite part of all Zelda speculation is that the game's writers have pretty much said they come up with the game first and worry about lore later, so it's entirely possible they could see these theories and just go "hey, that works" and give it ye olde canon stamp via references in future games. This ties things together quite nicely I think.
I love this idea. I agree with everything said here. I think the only thing I disagree with is the reason this video was made. People are burnt out of Totk lore and all that because all the trailers and hype leading up to totk made us believe it would have this grand story that would answer all these questions. We mostly got more questions. Totk lore is interesting, and this video is really really interesting and points out things we haven't seen before, but I don't think anyone can be blamed for being pessimistic about totk lore. This video mostly disregards the actual story presented to you by totk aside from some main points (zelda going back, ganondorf's actions, etc) and I think that's a good thing. totk's story needed wayyyyyyyy more fleshing out, and it's also the thinking of "but this is the story of the game, we should focus on that." you were willing to dive deeper and think outside the walls of the story to reach for some pretty believable stuff. goddess sword being zonai technology? bit of a fucking reach. when it's explained a little further? hm that makes sense...
all in all amazing video. I just wish totk had more in it to help push your ideas and less demon king? secret stone?
This is a better version of what I said in my comment. I loved the energy and passion in the video, but it's just not saving anything for me. I love theorizing and speculating, but only if it actually has an answer that is being worked up to. If no theory can be proven, or everything gets blown up every few games, what is the point? When every theory can be right, no one can be right, and then we're just sharing fanfic and head canon. Which is fun, but not the same thing as theory and prediction.
the mural in castle town with the winged people is only in the remaster and not the original. the artist who created it said they just thought it would be cool and is not official lore. But the zelda team still could have taken it as canon and added onto it.
The thing about writing a story is that no one *ever* plans out the entire thing all at once. You start writing and the story takes its own shape. That's especially true for something like Zelda, which has nearly 40 years of history, each game written as its own contained story with lore that ties them together. So it honestly doesn't matter if adding those rito to castle town was just to look cool. It's still something that can and will have implications for the shape of the story going forward.
it's also noteworthy that the twilight princess remaster was developed very much alongside botw, there's lot's of very intentional seeming similarities between the botw ancient sheikah and the twili
yeah, it was literally brought up by one of the developers that that was just something they added in for fun because it looked nice. It was not lore relevant whatsoever
I actually really liked this video. Like REALLY REALLY liked this video. More than the other high quality/production value theory videos because 1. This lore is just absolutelly insane 2. bro's just really happy bout it and that rubs off. Good job man, A+
Wasn't expecting that one for sure. I'm skeptical about Demise sending TOTK Ganondorf as a minion. I mean, we clearly see in Skyward Sword that he despises his subordinates, as shown when he turns Ghirahim back into his demon sword. To me, Demise would clearly be worried of TOTK Ganondorf breaking away from his control and getting the Triforce for himself (which also matches TOTK Ganondorf's character better as well).
I still believe that TOTK past takes place eons after the timeline we know of and that Rauru and Sonia just created a new Hyrule.
Fun theory though.
What if demise hating his minions stems from the fact that the first one he ever had, TOTK Ganondorf, turned out to be so wilful and power-hungry, failing in his mission as a result
while i also made a theory video on what we see being a second founding. this video has way more supporting evidence on the contrary and makes way more sense
@@PlayPodOG There's a lot of speculation in that video, a lot more than any other theory i've seen on the matter.
I don't think of Ganondorf so much as Demise's subordinate as he is a lingering bit of Demise himself. Though the scemantics for how all of that works are really vague. My personal theory is that all other games take place in the timeline where Demise cursed the world with his hatred after losing the duel to Link, while BotW and TotK take place on the timeline where Link wished to the Goddesses to kill Demise, so they dropped a temple on him.
Especially when rauru says : at least I think I am
or something along those lines I forget the exact line of dialogue
but regardless, that shows that he is not sure if he is the first king of hyrule and so many people, including some of the youtubers that do Zelda for a living.missed that line
and also these 2 games have been breaking convention and doing new things, so not having a ganon would be one of them or having something equivalent to it like the ss power up & the dragon transformation
and also that power up looking very much like demise shows that ganondorf is a reincarnation
& in botw it's literally stated that he gave up on reincarnation & made the blights & such so he is most definitely a reincarnation of the hatred
Unbelievably enough, this is the best and only way I've seen that feasibly connect totk/botw lore with the rest of the timeline; and what's more, I believe it!
Glad to see new, fun and original takes on TOTK/lore. Also props for standing up against all the TOTK pessimism.
Thanks for being open to having fun with this lore. I can’t believe it took the algorithm a month to show me this vid, but better late than never. Subbed!
This is an amazing theory, and I’m near-thoroughly convinced. I’d been working on my own timeline, but I think I’ll have to change mine now. However, I have a few questions:
-if races like the gerudo already existed, what did the implication that groose would found the gerudo mean?
-what about the race in skyward sword that are clear ancestors to the zora, or the more ancient Gorons?
-how would the surface of the world still look so similar after dozens of mellennia, and a war that presumably ravaged the land?
-why did the skyloftians found a hyrule so similar to that from the flashbacks?
Fujibayashi: I like archaeology, and zelda fans like to make theories, so I made SS, BotW, and most especially TotK to play into that
Mid-zelda fans: THE LORE IS ABSOLUTELY RUINED, THERES LITERALLY NOTHING TO WORK WITH HERE, NOTHING IS EXPLAINED TO ME AND EVERYTHING IS ALSO PARADOXICALLY OVER-EXPLAINED, THE SERIES IS RUINED WHEN WILL AONUMA DIE?!
This guy, 12 coffees deep:
7:33 that stained glass is the triforce eagle crest symbol specifically you can see the feet and wings of it
Love the enthusiasm.
The insanity of zelda theorists and the complex lore is what's so fun about the series. I don't get the pessimism after TOTK from fans who say the timeline is ruined or whatever. It feels like they gave up but I think it just means trying harder to dig through everything and make sense of it.
I'm excited to see what comes next in the series. Personally, I think theres a possibility they might be building up to ending the cycle of rebirth. Maybe that's wishful thinking because the last two games made me ship Link and Zelda, and the only way I can see they properly being together is if the cycle ends. Buuuutt at the same time it's supposed to be and endless cycle and there's something really appealing about that.
I saw a video recently about HOW the timeline came to be and though it was written and was not thrown together, the community and the fans are important in developing the series whether we think so or not. This kind of attitude and energy is what we need. I enjoyed every minute of this video as a Zelda fan and genuinely thank you. Keep doing what youre doing and everyone else needs to join in, its important
Too many contradictions for it to be pre Skyward Sword.
TOTK states that the founding Hyrule Castle which sealed Ganondorf was completely undamaged until the first Calamity (in both Ganondorf's in game character profile and the Hyrule Castle monument in the game), when Hyrule Castle is destroyed by Ganondorf in TP and OOT. Why is the castle nowhere to be seen during SS?
TOTK Ganondorf cannot be the first when the Encyclopedia confirms OOT Ganondorf was the first.
TOTK's founding shows Zonai Rauru standing around the Zonai-design Temple of TIme, but Hyrule Historia states Hylian Rauru was present at Hyrule's founding to build the Hylian-design Temple of Time.
TOTK has the Gerudo sage and others shown in cutscenes have pointy ears, before the Gerudo evolved from round ears in OOT to pointy ears in BOTW?
I don't mean to be mean- but every time I hear someone say "I FIXED TOTK LORE" I just roll my eyes, because every time they ignore most of the lore stated in the game, multiple times, in every language, just to put in somewhere else in the timeline other than at the end for some reason. I saw someone tell to people who corrected them with actual stated information that their theory wasn't wrong, it was Nintendo who was wrong for putting the rito in the past. They're so delusional it's driving me crazy, why is it so hard to accept that TOTK is not in the past of the timeline in any way???
@@saborougerey9270 my personal theory is that Rito are descendant to the skyloft bird lol
Because of the fandom's disagreement on the canon nature of the hyrule historia,I like to personally look at it as being (mostly) written down in universe, allowing certain things to be twisted. Like the world just forgot about OG ganondorf, as it was really long ago. It was established that Raaru was at the founding, building the temple of time, they just attributed it to the wrong Raaru, etc.
The gerudo evolution theory is not hard fact. The other theory is that because they started listening to tge godess, their ears became pointy. In that same vein it could argued that their ears became round because they stopped listening.
As to the castle... idk. It might've just been rebuilt a couple of times on the same spot. Because it never moved, people by the time of totk might assume it was never destroyed/ damaged? My defense for that is flimsy at best. Like in the original Japanese the logs are written from link's perspective, maybe the character data is too? That I don't know. The geography between games also isn't exactly consistent, so again idk.
With any long running series you're bound to have cracks and retcons. Finding a theory that is perfect without any flaw is going to be impossible I think.
@@R__creator yeah...no!!!
Saw your comment on a Monster Maze video, then found this half hour treasure. Excited to watch
This theory is very similar to the one I created and have been peddling around different comment sections
In mine i argued that the Zelda who time travels all the way back is actually interpreted by history to be Hylia herself, a blonde "goddess" who showed up one day to help protect the people and the triforce before vanishing suddenly
And I also tried to ground Ganondorf I this way by explaining the Ganondorf we see get the stones and transforming into the Dark Demon king is Demise himself. Demise isn't controlling that past Ganondorf, that past Ganondorf WAS Demise before getting that power. And the Demise we see in Skyward is a manifestation of that locked away power
This is close to my own position on the story, at least regarding TOTK Gamondorf = Demise.
I dont think that Zelda becoming Hylia makes as much sense unfortunately because its pretty clear Demise’s musings on Zelda compared to Hylia that she is a shadow of her former self and was absolutely an ascended being of sorts. I really doubt that Demise is supposed to be an unreliable narrator in regards to this description.
That would contradict how Demise described her. He felt it'd be an insult to Hylia to compare her to a "mere sack of flesh" that Zelda is in SS. He likened Hylia to a magnificent being beyond comprehension. That is definitely not BotW/TotK Zelda.
Given that the goddess statues talk to Link, I don’t think Zelda would be seen as Hylia. That was my first thought lol. She turned into a dragon and the sages watched it happen, the only history they give us in TotK is about the royal family, plus Zelda, who is a relative. And those are tablets deliberately floated into the sky by a royal family simp. Unless Zelda wanted them in the sky for Link to find, which would be cute but did she know he would be in the sky? Probably not, but she did intend to become a dragon so he’s gotta find her in the sky either way.
I made a similar theory as well
So basically “The Imprisoned” in SS is just a giant “Gloom Egg”. While the name could be a future reference to Totk Ganondorf/Demise as you put it.
Him: “And what is more Zelda than a time loop!”
Me: * exasperated sigh * nothing
Time travel is weird in Zelda. There has to be a deity or something that values Gorons over Zora based on the fact that in Oracle of Ages, Link was apparently destined to save the Goron chief, but not the Zora king, who is dead until Link goes back in time to give him a potion.
These pieces do fit together pretty nicely. Whether or not this gets confirmed sometime in our future, it’s a pretty solid headcanon.
Great video, love the effort in the presentation and editing. I never considered the Lanayru Sea being man-made! I love that idea
The production quality is so high its a crime that you don't have more views.
Small nitpick that doesn't really mess with the theory, but the “bird man” that was in the carvings in Twilight Princess was only there in the HD remaster. It wasn't put there by the game designers, just the people working on the remaster that didn't know the lore they were messing up by doing so
In the last part of the video I was like "wait but what about Ganondorf beneath the castle", but the thing about gloom being different from malice really got me thinking. Well done!
Omg finally a lore video that makes sense, best explanation I’ve heard so far! BUT I also wonder if the goddess Hylia is actually one of the daughters of Sonia and Rauru
I found someone who had the same thoughts that I did, but more fleshed out! You blew my mind further, and I applaud you for this!
This is actually one of the best Zelda theories I've ever seen
It's been a while since I've enjoyed listening to a Zelda theory - Heck, a youtube video- so much. It was incredibly satisfying. I'm so glad this ended up in my feed.
I'd really like to commend your story-telling capabilities, and how fluid and well-thought out this presentation of information was. It was narratively fulfilling, and made a lot of connections I haven't heard anywhere else. This interpretation of the overall zelda timeline is fascinating- And the fact that BotW, TotK, and SS were apparently made by the same team is something I never even realized, but certainly adds a lot more credibility to it being a single cohesive narrative between them, with most other zelda games filling in the space between.
...I dunno. Thanks for making this, it really hit my dopamine button just right.
At first I was skeptical when you suggested that TOTK’s past takes place before Skyward Sword, until I realized, despite that era having a Ganondorf, there was no Link or Master Sword. And we don’t really know if there was a Zelda either. So it actually makes perfect sense.
and what do you do about Gerudo???
But Rauru is the Link of that time and Sonia is the Zelda
How does the zelda monopoly fit into this
The goddess/master sword being a bootstraps paradox is a really fun idea!
I was dubious from the beginning when you mentioned the Interloper War being before Hyrule’s creation, but It was always weird to me how there ALWAYS seems to be something more ancient than the last thing. SS had things on the surface BEFORE the demon tribe and the springs and temples were created far before that. TOTK obviously had the Zonai, TP the Interloper War… but this really does seem plausible and make so much sense. (There are a few long shot things, but it all works. Omg.) and it’s such a unique idea and structuring of everything too, all predicated in the idea that there was a BEFORE to Hylia doing things
The first impa and sonia looking so similar is INSANE, great work, great video
I once saw a post that said "Hyrule Historia shows the kind of skill and dedication one painter can have when instructed to put artisanal bulls-eyes around every arrow at Thermopylae."
This video is the absolute pinnacle of that art form, and I mean that as the highest possible compliment.
Interesting theory. I did have a theory myself that the Sheika were descended from the Zonai. It would explain why all the Sheika have white hair. (Except young Impa is blond in Skyward sword but...) And it explains why the Sheika seem to have knowledge about technology, while other Hylians don't. I think that there were once more Zonai who also have descendants who became the Sheika rather than all Sheika coming from Raru and Sonia though.
One minor nitpick that may or may not affect the zora/rito part of this: Evolution does not mean that one species turns into another, it’s two species diverging from a common ancestor. The original species can most certainly still exist at the same time indefinitely.
[edit: totally badass concept btw, certainly seems plausible!]
22:38 This stone engraving was created independently without Nintendo, as the original version of the game used a very pixelated image of a real stone wall (I believe one from a Roman ruin). The company hired by Nintendo for the HD version had to create a new texture and the person responsible for this has confirmed that Nintendo was not involved. Source: ...youtube.../watch?v=8rKm43kUWYM
It's also crazy that the Tears logo is two snakes (? I don't actually know what they are) eating each other's tails.
It's an Ourobourus of Time.
Is solvet et coagula, the process of dissolving to create something new from the broken pieces. The game is full of alchemical symbolism. As above so below etc. could be interpreted that the timelines are broken, and is up to us to build them back up. The game theme is all about that process. Creating your own contraption from different pieces, using your mind and imagination, the light dissolving the darkness. The game could be interpreted beyond the Zelda cannon. But most people will miss it sadly
Could be interpreted that light and darkness are locked in a dance. That Hyrule is an allegory for the human mind, and how the conscious higher self is on a mission to illuminate the animal drive of the lower self. Bringing the light of God from above to illuminate the animal of below
I would love to see an eventual full lore video involving this theory
This entire video is basically "yeah i didn't read anything of the lore in this game but that's not gonna stop me"
This is by far the theory that makes the most sense. It explains everything as well as what urked that Botw Ganon had malice but Totk Ganondorf had gloom.
It's funny, I'd already kind of theorized that there was a time loop involved with Zelda going back and getting the events in motion, but you found a lot of details that I hadn't noticed! Very nice!
This makes sense to me I hope you agree
Also I'm so glad I found this because I've been so disheartened by all the negativity surrounding the game. I was so excited for the discussion and speculation surrounding TotK, but it feels like so many have just written off the lore as a result of careless writing. And while there are things that bug me a bit, it's so far from being a deal breaker for me. I adore this game, I adore its story, and I'm so glad to see someone else who also adores the mental gymnastics trying to make it all work.
You are so goated for this. Single handedly trying to bring back the Zelda lore youtube space. Lets goooo
@@kitsunekurisumusicI agree with u that it is Nintendo’s fault, but the fact is that the space is dead bc of it. And he’s making a good effort with this video
I hope this theory is similar to the actual lore if that is revealed. Because this makes so much sence! Glad you brought more details to the table
this is so crazy how this changed my entire view on zelda lore as a whole
Damn, every contradicting thought I had in my head throughout the video was justified by the video itself as it kept going, well done bro.
Yeah, the issue I am seeing with this is that the topography of Hyrule in the TotK past matches up pretty solidly with the topography of BotW and Future TotK, in a way that no other instances of Hyrule's topography does. The intermediate games move their topography around so much that you can't claim that the map of Hyrule changed that much only to go back.
There was a theory that I saw that covered the various maps and their reasoning/expaination was basically that they are different regions in a greater landmass (old and new hyrule)
I probably did a really poor job explaining and I can’t remember the exact video but I think it was something like “Zelda maps explained” or something similar
Have you seen how big the out of bounds areas in botw are? I think the games happen there
that's not correct, the general layout of hyrule is pretty consistent in a general sense: castle in the northern-center, desert to the east, mountains to the north, forest and lake to the south... the only games that really don''t follow this are the four sword trilogy, but those were made by capcom. What the topography of botw and totk do is consolidate basically every place from every game that fits it in the same map, but none of the features outright contradict anything i believe
besides with the concept of the timelines merging it kinda does make sense that the kingdom would sorta return to it's original true shape of sorts
This was excellent work! My only thing to add is that the carving in TP Castle Town is a product of the HD remake. While I don't remember who made the video about it, it does exist and it was ultimately discovered that the carving was designed by someone on the remake team but unaffiliated with the lore, and that they wanted to include their own unofficial story within the carvings.
This video is great. Awesome work. The fact that you have to go this insane and do this much just shows the issues with the ToTK story.
This is the time line for me now, so beautifully explained, I love it
I've been having this same theory. Expecting a lore dump in echos of wisdom
Dude. This is a great theory and a great video! I hope to see you do more of this kind of work
The Ritos in the TP HD carvings are not canon, the company that made the game already said they just took Zelda characters at random they found cool. Nintendo and the Zelda team did NOT approve this. Watch the Zeltik video about it.
Thank you, as a huge zelda fan ive been struggling with understanding TOK lore but this video just helped me so much thank youuu
It has been a very long time since I've been truly invested in Zelda lore and Zelda lore content. This is a very interesting video, and it has brought me back to that time very nicely. Whether or not I fully believe everything in the vid is a moot point, the value is in the journey and nudge that journey gives towards imagining all of the possibilities.
neat theory, other than the fact that skyward sword should happen long before that setting for it to happen, and hylia's incarnation as a human was irreversible, a final gambit to use the triforce herself.
Honestly, I think it's actually a lot simpler, specially seeing how modern hyrule(even before the calamity) looks so fully euromedieval-inspired while ancient hyrule seems a lot more maya in aesthetics; the games before botw were *literally* legends, loosely based on real events and mythology, likely told during the 100 years of downfall after calamity ganon struck(which would explain why, in release order, the game stories went from a hero ending an era of decline to a "returning" hero preventing it from happening over time, people's evolving copium), and botw and totk are simply "historically accurate", hence why the world design is so much more naturalistic and all the places that reference game locations with much more grounded design.
My challenge is the reasons why Rauru’s kingdom can’t have been before Skyward Sword, of which there are many. Lots of videos talk about it, I’ve talked about it on Reddit myself. But the bit about hiding the Triforce is cool idea. Sonya could also be Zelda’s great aunt of sorts. Rauru and Sonya don’t have to have had a child in order for her to be related to Zelda.
There's multiple things in this video. I talked about with myself as well like the subordinate to demise thing, not making any sense as in the previous game, it was literally stated that gain and gave up on reincarnation
and the secret stone transformation looking very much like demise, very much shows that this ganondorf is just a reincarnation
and also the line rarur say: at least the last time I checked
or something along the length of that I don't follow your remember
shows that he is not sure if he is the first king of hyrule rule or the first one to establish hyrule
And there were so many other things that.we're sending this video that I do bunked myself just from what I know the other games
because some of the things were just misunderstanding Lore or just making things up to fit his argument
@@ZorusSerif yeah!!! Like the Gerudo was not even existing yet in Skyward Sword... Impossible that they exist before... For me they're only 1 Ganondorf. Each time we see Ganondorf, it's the same one!!!!
@@GagnesterLOL just because we dont see them doesn't mean they don't exist??? you don't see any kokiri in twilight princess either but that doesn't mean they were just retconned out of the game or anything
@@Yamartim in twilight princess Kokiri forest is litterally in the game...
Gerudo are not in twilight princess either, but they probably are somewhere in the game, just hidden so yeah your point is correct, but in skyward sword, it's different!!! it would be really really really surprising to have the confirmation that gerudo are existing in that period of times!!
Rauru founded the Kingdom of Hyrule and named it after Hylia.
This was awesome! I've only ever played "Link to The Past" and the two latest incarnations... The lore is incredible and you described it so well... Thanks fella!
Probably the best run through allowing for official timeline they I've heard.
I have issues with SS being first, but I can see it like this
This is a great take that i think more people should consider.
I dont think the lore of TotK was ever the real problem, i think people just like to kneejerk react instead of diving in to make it make sense.
I think TotK’s main problem is the story flow and writing itself, which is much more clunky and odd than prior games. Especially how they crammed it into a format that doesnt work for a properly linear story. It worked for BotW cus while BotW’s was “linear”, we already knew how it ended. We’re just picking up the pieces. TotK’s is new characters with new plot elements and major story moments that you can very easily see out of order, spoiling the twists.
Its really badly executed.
But again, the behind-the-scenes lore is really interesting, and if people took more time to think about it like this, i think we would have less pessimism.
I dont agree with everything you say, but i think you have the bigger picture down really well, and i think people should look at it like this more.
Hey man, I just want to point out a few things I noticed. A small nitpick to start out according to the Hyrule Encyclopedia the Twili were banished after Skyward Sword. The Thunder Dragon himself said that he built all the Lanayru robots in Skyward Sword so it couldn’t have been zonai tech. Fi herself said she was crafted by Hylia not by the order of Hylia. And finally the Fire and Thunder temple were in the ground not in the sky, while they could both be considered safe havens you said Hylia rose them into the sky while in Tears of the Kingdom they were the furthest temples from the sky.
I do like this take on the history. It establishes a prehistory of the world that we get a glimpse of during SS, and can help account for the second Ganondorf, particularly that he doesnt have a Ganon form, if he is not the origin of the Calamity that is.
My one question would be in regards to the split in the timeline and where that leaves the events of present day BotW and TotK. Im assuming that the theory would have to be that there was some sort of convergence event that forced the timelines back together? That in and of itself would likely have been a catastrophic natural disaster, the merging of three parallel timelines cant have happened smoothly
I honestly thought at first, that this was going to be cringy and not well thought out, but all of this makes sense, and is very well thought out. The mastersword breaking as well, could tie back to Demise's soul being released from the master sword, and him being able to affect Gannon again.
still confused bc sonia and raaru were "the first rulers of hyrule", but hylia established hyrule.. i still think that the past of raaru and sonia has to be a second "begginning of the timeline", where everything before was on large spiral/circle, and that past is directly above the past of skyward sword, hence all the parrrellelism.
its all but stated that the reason the gerudo havent had a male gerudo since the time of raaru because gannondorf was in suspended animation, so bookending the timeline with raaru on one side and botw/totk on the other doesnt quite work.
secret stones amplify your own innate power, so ganondorf's would only amplify the power of demise if it was innate to him, like say.. he was an incarnation of demise's hatred.
Eh, being that the timeline is all about legends being passed on, it wouldn't surprise me if over time things got exaggerated. Like originally it was Raaru and Sonia who created it in function of Hylia, who was still around, but over time it became just Hylia in the mind of the people. Especially if she was around after their death and more visible.
I don't think it was never stated that Hylia established hyrule, just that Hyrule was established during the era of Hylia
Also what if the "gerudo male is born every 100 years" thing actually just started BECAUSE of post-demise ganondorf reincarnating and when he explicitly gave up on reincarnations (as said in botw) the gerudo stopped having male children as a whole
As for the demise appearence thing, the red glowing hair and eyes could just be what raw "darkness power" looks like in the zelda universe in general
@@Yamartim he only gave up on reincarnation when you beat calamity gannon to become dark beast gannon.
That intro was fire
The map on the ground in the Forgotten Temple shows there WAS a structure in the past where now Hyrule Castle stands.
I think it's notable that Koume and Kotake are OoT Ganondorf's adopted parents. That means THEY may have named him after a lost legend of OG Ganondorf.
Also, we technically have no proof to say they aren't the same Koume and Kotake shown in Totk.
I have had a lot of optimistic theory crafting around BotW and TotK. I really appreciate all of your thoughts and for putting out some positive creative vibes!
A full minute in, and you have me hook, line, and sinker
I think you genuinely solved it. Loved the video, keep it up!
The one counter argument that another person brought up on a separate video was that the Gerudo gained a green eye color post-OoT due to accepting the Goddess's Wisdom, therefore losing their yellow eyes forever. That is, until whichever reincarnation of Ganondorf we're working with is born during Rauru/Sonia's time.
Another thought on the "LD" of all of the little robots...... LD doesn't stand for Lanayru Desert, it stands for Lanayru Dragon. Like maybe it's implied he assisted in the creation of these little guys. It's a thought, and not one I've seen anyone else talk about.
That said, great vid! I love the whole thought line and plan to check out more of your stuff, it was a fun watch!
This makes the most perfect sense holy crap.
Another thought is that it must’ve been a realization for Sonia and Rauru that Zelda IS the hylia in that time, being that Zelda is the incarnation of Hylia and that light was sensed from Sonia AND rauru. And that there was no questions asked. Zelda, a goddess of time mortal. THE legend of Zelda.
If we go by your lore... TotK would have been the PERFECT ending for TloZ as a whole. But I do wanna see where the timeline truly ends up at
I think you spent more time on this video then the writers did on tears story
I love how this video gets recommended to me immediately after Nintendo say that BoTW and ToTK are separate to the timeline. They need to watch this video and learn something
I really liked your enthusiasm and that you made sure to wear your clean green sweater for the video. Clearly you care. You got a new sub.
Great video! I did notice that the "stylized triforce" looked exactly like 3 secret stones arranged in a triforce pattern, and I'm not sure what exactly that means, but it might help explain secret stones more???