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One intriguing thing that isn't talked about is would an uploaded mind have a perfect memory. Our memory as it is isn't very reliable seeing as how everytime we access a memory, it changes a little bit. Hundreds of recalls later, it could look nothing like what actually happened. A digital mind could have access to recordings of events they experienced and essentially store them as read-only.
This is a viable possibility, but we have no way to know for sure yet what exactly happens when a memory is accessed, we do know it's somewhat similar to a set of different neurons activating like for example 1324 neuron 1goes, then 3, so on and so forth. It's possible the slow corruption of our memories is due to these neuron sets changing slightly. For example, 1324 becomes 1234. If this is the way memories do work (which I am not claiming it is) then it would be possible to keep the original neuron set in data storage, also worth noting is we have no idea how large of a file a memory turned into a file would be. Just a regular brain scan, like the one described in the video, would likely result in a conscious without their previous memories, as you can map out everything in the brain, but you can't necessarily scan every memory in the brain at once without remembering everything in that person's life at once (which would likely be impossible)
That wouldn't be fun, the more you remember from past experience the less you enjoy the present, maybe it's just me but I would like to emulate how memory gets hazy over the time.
i think quite the opposite would happen. if we have far better learning capabilities due to this mind upload, we'd lose memories every time we access them. memory loss or change is actually the brain "learning", so we'd somehow have to index exactly which neural networks are responsible for memories and mark them as read-only, which in and of itself sounds pretty impossible. since everyone's brain is so wildly different, this is pretty impossible.
One of the other implications of a mind upload is the notion that you aren't really limited to a single copy. Which, as has been explored in the book series "we are bob", you could feasibly make a functional von neumann probe, or a "single" person running an entire business or industry of some kind merely by making multiple copies of themselves and a lot of other weirdness.
@@BlueRidgeBubble The "We are Legion, We are Bob" is a a serious recommend from me then, it's basically about that specifically, plus is filled with snarky nerd humor and very good hard scifi.
What if the other “You” want to be in bed with your wife or in your house ? You’d have to enslave the other “you’s” however many you create, so that they won’t try and take over YOUR life. Remember, in the end of the day they’ll be you …. Wow . I just created a black mirror episode 😝
“Just having a list of the ingredients might not be enough to get a good consciousness cake.” - daaamn, loved how you manage to simplify this.. that is art!
@@orangestapler8729 played it and its not that buggy and honestly if u like RPG games u will love this one. For me its ne of the best RGP i have played BUT you need next gen consoles OR a decent PC to run it, On old consoles its runs like a potato with bad graphics and crashes
@@erikkling4791 well, i bought it today and had a blast playing on GeForce Now on my old laptop, but you need pretty strong and reliable connection for that
There's a shortstory by Stanislav Lem from his "Ijon Tichy" series, where Ijon is visited by a person that has invented immortality. This guy, named Decantor, explains that after decades of studying, he has finally managed to create a way to transfer a human conciousness onto a thumbdrive-like device, that will contain that soul forever. As the story progresses, we learn that he used the method on his wife, however since the space on the device is limited, it doesn't allow communication with the outside world, the mind is basically suspended alone in a giant void. _Forever._ Ijon is then so disgusted and horrified, that he offers all his belongings to obtain that device to smash it, so the woman can be released from her horrific jail. He eventually persuades Decantor to see how terrible his creation is and they destroy the device together.
@Witaminka B12 Meh, only on consoles. On PC I'm having an amazing time with the game. Consoles will get patched overtime and by March the game will be great. Everyone's losing their shit because of bugs but forget that games like The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Dragon Age, and more had hilarious bugs at launch too.
@@Messi-rw9ng "At launch". Bro they even made a 64 bit version of Skyrim with the same old bugs lmao. And people praise New Vegas and it's riddled with bugs too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You couldn't even get playable frame rates in The Witcher with a 1070ti. Now I can play that thing on medium-high with a 1050 and get decent frames.
@Witaminka B12 the game is good it's your own fault for putting to such a high standard that literally nothing could live up to it. Remember when skyrim and fallout 4 came out that shit was almost unplayable, but nobody said anything and gradually all those problems got fixed and people got better specs.
that is, to be aware/have consciousness like a God "I am who is” also animals and all of organisms have it but very limited based on instincts over which man is able to control so you can choose, god through consciousness charges the whole world like the internet
@@Cozysafeyay You are someone you are, right? Can you stay 'you' outside this body? That's what is referred to as consciousness. It's the curiosity. What's wrong about it?
Here’s my opinion in a nutshell: If you transfer your mind to the digital world it whould’t be you, it whould just be a copy of yourself with the same memories, the digital yourself will remember your life as his own and think he is you. But he isn’t he is just a mere copy.
Jokes aside, that might be the case. Uploading our minds onto a computer or a synthetic body could mean that we just committed suicide and an imperfect copy of us now exists in our stead.
@@neobg9493 How would we know? Even if we did it the person who was digitalized would now be a copy and not the original consciousness but still have the same memories and remembers being digitalized and will insist it worked and he didn't die but really the original consciousness is dead. Hope you understood what I meant.
11:39 “Adventurers could upload themselves into small spaceships and embark on journeys to the stars” You guys really know how to give me chills, that’s one of the most epic and awesome concepts I’ve ever heard
Except as the universe keeps on expanding the traveller would never reach any other galaxy and would most likely be stuck in a void for an eternity. Unless they like figure how to travel faster than light which in the world of mind upload might be a thing.
@@cobbington773 I would even recommend listening to the audiobooks. I typically enjoy physical to audio, but they were amazing audiobooks, and I actually prefer them in that format. Highly recommended.
@@liljam3824 It's not that much different than visiting our nearest planets- just much further. Rather than heading for where you see it, observe it's path, calculate distance and head for where it will be when travel time and speed of light is considered. You don't need to be able to go FTL. It's not impossible, it's just a lot of math. The harder part is dealing with the things you can't observe.
One thing I've always wondered is if it would be me if my brain were transferred to something else. Like they've mapped out my brain, my personality is there, my memory is there, but is it more or a copy of me? In the sense, we experience our lives in a continuous stream ie we experience a consistent passage of time. Would we then continue on that stream when we transfer, or would it be a clone? To everyone else in your life it'd be like you're still there, but it's more like a clone, while the you that is you faded to black and died. How would anyone know? If I recall, they deal with this in the show/comic Invincible when the Robot transfers his mind into a new body, he experiences the same fear I just talked about. It's creepy but interesting.
Although this is Cyberpunk related I think the game Soma actually tackled this subject the best because it raises the question on if it's worth trying to extend your life digitally if you know that you personally won't experience it, that it's just your copy moving ahead while you die? It's existential horror at its finest.
SOMA needs more exposure, it really is brilliant. Exploring copies of consciousness and snapshots of the mind at given points of time, including eternal existence in a Matrix-like utopia. Such great content in a really fun and creepy game.
I'm hoping that it becomes a move of data, and not a copy. Like on a computer, if you have data on one drive, you can choose to either copy it to another drive, or move it. Logically, it seems the only way to do that, would be to physically move the source of the data (our brain) into a synthetic body. I'm totally down for that. After its tested on a plethora of other humans, that is.
@@tyl3r43eight Fun fact, that thing you called "move" , as in to move data from one drive to other, is just the computer coping the file and then deleting the original. There is no "move" in programing, just copy, paste and delete.
@@a.m.6138 hmm, never really realized that. But I'd say the idea still stands. If you wanted to experience what this synthetic you was experiencing, they'd have to move your actual meat computer into a synthetic housing.
Is it an ad? If so, this is not at all how it should be. Not once do they make mention of sponsorship or any exchange of money, so it's super illegal if it is sponsored. That being said, I'm pretty sure it just isn't sponsored.
My take on the whole mind-upload thing is that of the ship of Theseus, if you take your mind and make a digital upload of it, that's not the same you. But if you slowly replace parts of your mind over time, say getting implants and robotic additions, then you'll be up there and live forever. As long as brain activity keeps going, you're still alive. So even if I'm under sedatives as my brain is slowly replaced, I still count it as alive
THIS ^, that's it basically you can augment yourself and live forever but uploading your mind would mean creating a new you that's not you. Hell its like literally cloning yourself.
@@vyrkolach5546 To be fair, if you take the brain slicing approach you'll already be dead by the time your AI self is created. At that point, to the AI at least, it would feel like they'd gone to sleep for an amount of time, and then woken up. Assuming there's nothing metaphysical to conciousness, such as a soul, what makes us who we are is essentially the data stored on the brain. That data is us, no matter where it's stored. Even if the biological body, and AI copy exist at the same time, the AI is still you, as the data is the same. It's just a different you, who's experience branches off from yours and thus it becomes a separate being. If it never branches off, and only one remains at any given time, then you are effectively the same being.
It bugs me to see the quote without the parallelism that made it quotable. "If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't." --Emerson Pugh
isnt this ironically why we cant understand it in the first place? seems like an infinite loop to me, no matter how simple or complex it is, this will always apply
@@rangel5897 It always applies only if the assertion is actually true. Minus biological/evolutionary constraints like skull size and energy requirements, there's no reason additional brain power requires a corresponding increase in complexity. Also, "understand" is a sufficiently nebulous word that there _might_ be an overlap between what a single person can learn and retain, and an overview of the brain's workings sufficiently detailed to count as "understanding".
This might actually explain the Fermi Paradox. Before a civilisation becomes space-faring, they learn to upload their consciousnesses and then exist in a non-physical form that we wouldn't see no matter how much we scan the skies.
Also I kind of wanna be fact checked about something if it’s alright to ask. It’s a little unrelated, but you know how when we see planets from a telescope or something, we’re seeing them as they were millions or billions of years ago? Do you think that could somewhat explain the Fermi Paradox too? We can’t find life because when we observe planets, we observe a version of them billions of years before they even developed life. I don’t wanna draw any conclusions though so I kind of wanna be fact checked lol
Its bc its been extensively rewritten and condensed by the channel's crew, not just the voice of Kurzgesagt. Theyre also leaving out so much more information on the topic
The question is... if you upload a copy of your brain to a computer... is that you? Or a copy of you with your memories? If the computer lives on and you don't, won't that computer be experiencing new memories while you are simply gone? I would argue a better, and arguably more technologically feasible way of living on in your mind without copying and killing yourself is to transplant the actual brain itself into a construct compatible with a digital interface. You can't argue it's not you if it's your actual brain, not a digital copy.
What are you, other than your memories and experiences? A perfect copy of you with all your memories and emotions and experiences is still *a* you. Until the moment it gains a new experience or memory, which would be almost instantaneously. In which case it would be a different you, but still started as you. The issue with hooking our brains up to a neural interface like that is that our brains would still decay, and eventually there would still be death from it.
Wouldn't it defeat the purpose though? You're only gonna live as long as the set lifespan of your neurones right? And you have to keep feeding in the necessary nutrients and oxygen to the brain
To be honest I think there might just be no "you" at all. We are just a very complex set of cells, there's just no "you", we only act as if there was. If there's a copy of you created, it is as much you, as you are, because there's nothing unique about us, our consiousness and everything is just an illusion in a way. It's hard to imagine TBH.
@@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587 Funny enough how a sophisticated slab of meat is using electronic signals and light recognition to type this in response to you.
@@alexssnackbar1353 Funny how specific arrangements of atoms are able to simulate contentiousness, be alive, and overall build the very world we live in and inhabit, by augmenting the order of other atoms and molecules to conform to our needs and curiosities…
When a species elevates to a new level, morality of or for the old species doesn't matter anymore. We don't think about killing chickens or plants or insects as long as they feed us. Same will probably happen that OUR morality will become insignificant to the digital mind as it will rapidly gain intelligence because it won't have the biological limitations that we have. What I'm trying to say is, if what you say happens, our morality won't matter.
@@yasirelec allowing morality to decay will lead to bigger problems. Ethics along with true understanding will disappear with time and the void of materialism will takes its place.
I know you’re doing a meme, but you’re highlighting one of the moral problems of mind uploading. How do we guarantee that mind uploading won’t be used to our detriment rather than our advantage?
An AI is the biblical beast. It's already alive as an infant. Your phone is a low bandwidth brain-computer interface that spys on you and tries to take your attention and spread misinformation.
i'm just concerned that we won't really transfer over and instead it creates a new mind with all of our memories but our original life just ends and we never experience the stuff our digital mind does
The thing about that is it doesn’t matter. If you believe in souls that do something that isn’t nothing after death (reincarnation, judgement, etc.), then you would believe that copying a brain doesn’t transfer consciousness at all. If you don’t believe in souls, then you’ll never know. You’ll close your eyes and fade out of existence, and your copy will believe their consciousness has effectively been transferred for the rest of eternity, seeing as their last memory was trying to do just that. And for all intents and purposes, in the absence of a soul, that’s true. Either you believe consciousness is a function of the brain, which would be transferred through copying, or you believe it’s a function of the body/soul/more than a sum of its parts, in which case you could consider it impossible or require that more than just the brain be copied in order to transfer it.
Yeah, it kind of sucks that Cyberpunk is going to be the mainly discussed game about this topic but SOMA by far has delved the deepest into this subject.
The world ended at 2000 because all the computers corrupted and created black holes that sucked the universe in. It sucked everyone into an alternate universe that is the exact same, except the world hasn't ended and nobody remembers it did.
@@VerycoolEsso the joke is that the game "Cyberpunk 2077" has gotten delayed numerous times, showcasing that they were not good at predicting what time in the future they would be ready to release the game.
depends, look at the rate of technological ascension, 6,000 years ago we were playing with death, 1,000 years ago we conquered and killed across the globe, 300 years ago we discovered two more continents, 200 years ago we discovered the last, 100 years ago modern machines were spread only in certain parts of the world, 80 years ago we discovered a quick way to destroy mankind, 60 years ago we landed on another celestial body, 50 years ago we made portable digital setups, and personal computers, 30 years ago we traveled across Mars and made allowed people from every corner of the world to communicate, 20 years ago we minimized,even more, 10 years ago we broke through into the world of DNA sequencing and telescope technologies that allow us to see lightyears of our surroundings. Now? We're using gene editing on a vast scale, even in human trials, Artificial Intelligence now able to spot cancers in the body, we're creating reusable shuttles and spacecraft, advancing into treating brain cancers, and spotting meteorological events months, years, hell even decades or centuries before they are fated to happen.
@@ballooneater2510 We're animals just like rats, just with a larger brain. Even if souls do exist in some capacity, there's no reason a rat wouldn't have a soul as well. Humans aren't really all that special.
@@billkastanis1576 Care to give any argument? I recommend reading Wittgenstein's Remarks on Psychology and Ryle's Concept of Mind. Most philosophy post those two is an aberration. People are not brains in the same way that people are not arms. People have brains and have arms. It is really quite obvious. Try to recognise the behavioural criteria for ascribing psychological attributes such as thinking. Then realise that brains do not exhibit any behavioural criteria, but rather people do. You know this because this is how you operate linguistically every day.
@@its9001 material is all over the internet. I am speaking through my medical teachere perspective that i found to be right. You are entitled to your own opinion. Have a goos day not gonna argue
I have video game where it has some dialogues of other languages which not familiar with ,if i If i upload my coinesnness into that video game will that would be me or someone else
Kurzgesagt is the embodiment of “explain it to me like I’m five” and they do it so well. Case in point: they managed to condense the lengthy topic of uploading a consciousness into a computer/what is consciousness/what is the brain/how to be functionally immortal into one 15-minute video, _and it made sense._ There’s a reason we’re all subscribed
Too bad they take a long time, and they waste a lot of it doing advertisement for horrible companies. I'm disappointed by this video. I much rather have videos with more humble animation, better ideas, and faster production. This is a big step backwards for them.
@Seb0231 fast does not equal cheap. And this video is not as deep, nor as well researched, nor has as captivating ideas. It more likely molds itself around cyberpunk's theme (the videogame they advertise).
New research suggests that details of memories may be encoded into mRNA, with each cell having different pieces of mRNA, possibly in multiple copies, controlling how those cells behave when activated.
Don't know where you heard that, as far as I'm aware, memories are encoded in the network & neurons change their shape using neurofilaments. Tried to google it but can't find a thing.
At this point your animation is so beautiful and sophisticated that from time to time I forget to pay attention to what you're saying and I have to go back a few seconds and rewatch. Your animators are your golden goose.
I think the biggest issue is the types of data, and how it is transferred. You could plug your brain into a computer like a flash drive and experience reality like that, but you would still have a brain that needs maintenance. However, directly moving the data stored in your brain to a computer, leaving your body braindead, is difficult. Computers, when moving data, just copy it to the new location and delete it from the old one. You can’t do that with your brain, because it will just be a copy of you and not you. So, even if a brain is compatible with a digital computer, you would die if you tried it. You would still exist, but it would be a copy of your consciousness, meaning the consciousness you have now would no longer exist. There’s also the philosophical standpoint, touched a little in the video, which is if our consciousness is even a real part of the brain. Our brains may just be host to our spirit, which leaves after enough damage is done. If that is the case, we may never be able to stuff one into a computer.
it aint free tho, we pay in getting advertised to and relinquishing power to the owners of the platform at the expense of creators even tho they get paid a bit
@Blankyt Flying cars already exist. They are called aircrafts and spacecrafts, you could even throw hot air balloons and zeppelins in the mix if they aren't already considered aircrafts.
@Benjamin Maiorella My point is 'flying cars' exist already. It seems that what was envisioned in the past rarely turns out into what actually comes to fruition. Like I said before, the flying car turned out to be aircrafts, a helicopter for example. And I'm sure there are a few private aircrafts flying around, private jets for example. In response to making it mainstream, you've got a point, we don't have the infrastructure yet to have a load of flying objects around, or we just aren't invested because like you said there is no real need yet. Just to add from a previous point, In the past they said robots would take over, I believe that's already happened, but not in the way they imagined. The robots are called smartphones, smart tv's, PCs, etc basically modern digital technology, and with AI improving, they'll be even more powerful. So, it wasn't evil humanoid robots.
Even if the upload would be successful the copy might not even be you. It would act and be exactly like you, but your actual consciousness would still be in your other brain.
@@PaineGainer I thought the goal was to upload your current consiousness to the system, and that the fact that it may not be you and you might still be in your body was a possible issue or drawback or even benefit in some cases. So if it was perfect, my current consiousness would be uploaded.
@@lordoa it wouldn't be you you, but you have no way of knowing whether you are the copy or the original until it happens. And there's a 50 percent chance you could be either.
I think the main issue is the fact that an uploaded mind is just a copy of yourself, it won't actually transfer your consciousness. Thus all you've really done is ''reproduced'' for the lack of a better word. The only way to really transfer consciousness is probably to gradually replace parts of the brain until eventually everything is inorganic and then do whatever you wish with that. None of this seems particularly impossible, though the latter is significantly more difficult than the former and may take over a century rather than a couple decades.
Yeah it has to be a "space-style" transfer/transmission Space is a thing, not empty, as Relativity, Quantum Physics, & math teaches us. A network of things making a coordinate system/grid. (What this grid is made of, relativity isn't designed to tell us. The answer must lie in quantum physics. According to the latest theories that get close to quantum gravity, it's a network of entangled/destructively interfering quantum vacuum particle-waves while those that are not entangled/constructively interfered are the visible matter in space. This alters the network causing curved geometry, gravity.). When we move, we are effectively copied/created along the grid in our direction of "motion" (an illusion like the movement of your computer mouse on the pixel grid screen) & deleted where we used to be. We do not notice this & consciousness is consistent. The information transmitted losslessly one spatiotemporal moment-distance to the next. This is what has to be done to truly upload a mind onto a computer. The brain has to be wiped. Its like the end of Avatar one when Jake leaves his human body for good & its brain dead while he lives as a Na'Vi in his Avatar. Given that everything is information, your consciousness basically an intigrated computer model of the world & yourself + your memories (A vital part of consciousness is remembering as any blackout drunk will tell you), if this is a lossless transmission where each neural state (Signal + connectome) is directly captured & converted into a digital signal while the neuron is wiped you, the real you, should be truly moved by this in the same way that you are when you, well, move in realspace.
The way it would have to be done is by plugging into the brain similar to 2:05 sans the disassembly or yeah 0:18 . The brain is an oscillating/spiking neural network that builds/breaks connections using these oscillating/spiking signals as a result of the chemical signals they cause to be emitted which encourage nearby neuronal cells to connect or disconnect. Signals would have to be sent that first, cause the brain & computer brain to pulse in sync (Thinking of Avatar 1's ending again) and second, cause the neurons to rearrange themselves in a way that erases/smooths the network of the brain while also sending back signals that transmit the physical information of this into the computer where this operation is reversed In the digital brain made of an AI O/SNN (Oscillating/Spiking neural Network) using those exact signals as input. This ensures a direct causal connection between the operations that makes this a true mind upload rather than mind reproduction that gets rid of the original. Moving the mind as I said in my first reply. This task is several times harder than simply making a copy to live as you in your place from a scan which would certainly be invented first. (And is already hard.) But could be possible!
That's the can of worms they mentioned, and it would deserve another video on its own. I think you'd have to replace your brain neuron by neuron to guarantee that your digitial self will not just be a copy of you
9:17 Same. I've been thinking about this for hours and I can't really get the grasp of what would actually happen. What it would feel like. Maybe it would feel like death? I mean, if they go with brain slicing, there's not much talk to do. You're literally dying and then they just "revive" a copy of you. But is it really a copy? Could there be a way to actually revive *you*? What scares me the most is not ever knowing the answer. After all, if they ask your copy what happened, it'll just say it worked and it's really you, because it'll literally be a exact copy of your brain before... dying? Really scary thoughts. And if they're just that, copies, would you commit suicide to let the rest of the world be with "you" forever? What if it's never really solved and your copy breaks down due to not knowing what happened?
@@mikethespike056 Yeah, I'm not too eager to get my brain sliced. I imagine that it would be possible with nanomachines that replace your neurons one by one during some transition period that may just feel like puberty or growing up in general. You're still the same mind, but definitely not the same person as you were when you were 8, because your brain developed a lot since then. But that opens the question if that's actually the same person, and you're not actually a totally different person that just inhabits the same body and memories of that younger mind. I'm thinking about this a lot and I also have no idea how it would actually feel
I once read a book about AI and intelligence uploading and what it did to a person or animal. Basically in the book you could upload your mind to a computer but once that has happened you lose free will and individuality of any kind. In the book some parts of the brain could be augmented or replaced but if more than a certain percentage of the brain was replaced the person would lose all of everything that made them human in any way.
This makes me think about the game called soma, where you are able to upload your mind into a server in order to save humanity. But once your mind is uploaded, you are you and the copy is its own copy. Even though you upload your mind to save yourself, the physical you will still be trapped in the same facility in eternal darkness until you ultimately die
@Oog Oog Or perhaps that would be like your conciousness slowly losing everything that was you while a new consciousness in your own head would be slowly gaining everything that was you. Honestly, that sounds like it could be an experience worse than death.
@@Lyraguy If we assume consciousness is a purely physical process then the above method would work since continuity of consciousness would never be broken. I personally don't ascribe to that assumption but it could be true
@@joeblazer3429 If we assume that consciousness is a purely physical process, there'd also be no reason to assume that continuity of consciousness is even important. In physics, any molecule and particle is like any other, a proton in my body is exactly the same as a proton in your body, so a perfectly exact, 100% faithful copy of any physical thing should be indistinguishable from the thing it's a copy of and be the "same" in every conceivable category. However this very clearly runs in opposition of how we intuitively think consciousness works. If your body was destroyed in an accident and you had a "backup-machine" in your garage that renders an exact physical copy of yourself at the moment of your death, it'd be easy to imagine yourself "waking up" in the "new" body. But what if we assume a malfunction and the back-up system accidentally renders a copy without you having died? You probably wouldn't put a gun to your head, expecting to "take over" the conscious experience of the copy the instant you die, would you? Physics however has no way to account for this difference, according to physics these two scenarios should result in the very same end state. The fact that we intuitively feel that they don't, suggests that there's more to consciousness than physics.
Can we just talk about how Kurzgesagt years ago looked so simple like a powerpoint presentation and now looks like a trailer to a futuristic sci fi movie?
I appreciate the recognition of the three assumptions. They really are important issues, but it’s good to move on for the sake of discussing the topic at hand.
ONE THING WE DO KNOW, consciousness is not material, or generated by the brain. any1 debate me. can your atoms, which make up your brain create emotions, subjective conscious experience, memories? no they cannot. consciousness is beyond physical, hence metaphysical spirit/soul/consciousness/mind whatever you want to call it dame thing, NOT THE PHYSICAL BRAIN. YEAAAAHH YEAAHHHHH.(mayweather voice).
I wouldn’t want to leave a copy and die. I’d want to be that copy. In other words a mind transfer and not a copy. Is it possible? Probably not. Death is still there for at least ‘us’ even if it isn’t for the copy.
One thing I like to think about is what would happen if you slowly replaced your brain with computer like how you regrow cells because when you grow new cells your still you so that might be the only way to do it
@@thenetherkinggaming9000 very interesting way to look at it. we might get to experience the ship of theseus paradox first hand. we might find a way to instantaneously upload our minds in a way. Who knows? we all gotta wait a while to find out tho
It's not about uploading, it's about connecting more and more devices to the mind until, ultimately, most of the storage and calculations are happening physically outside of your biology.
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Bro how are you verified as Jesus?
One intriguing thing that isn't talked about is would an uploaded mind have a perfect memory. Our memory as it is isn't very reliable seeing as how everytime we access a memory, it changes a little bit. Hundreds of recalls later, it could look nothing like what actually happened. A digital mind could have access to recordings of events they experienced and essentially store them as read-only.
This is a viable possibility, but we have no way to know for sure yet what exactly happens when a memory is accessed, we do know it's somewhat similar to a set of different neurons activating like for example 1324 neuron 1goes, then 3, so on and so forth. It's possible the slow corruption of our memories is due to these neuron sets changing slightly. For example, 1324 becomes 1234. If this is the way memories do work (which I am not claiming it is) then it would be possible to keep the original neuron set in data storage, also worth noting is we have no idea how large of a file a memory turned into a file would be. Just a regular brain scan, like the one described in the video, would likely result in a conscious without their previous memories, as you can map out everything in the brain, but you can't necessarily scan every memory in the brain at once without remembering everything in that person's life at once (which would likely be impossible)
Sorry for the whole essay btw
I just think about GladOS and her "black box save feature", constantly replaying her most bitter defeat
That wouldn't be fun, the more you remember from past experience the less you enjoy the present, maybe it's just me but I would like to emulate how memory gets hazy over the time.
i think quite the opposite would happen. if we have far better learning capabilities due to this mind upload, we'd lose memories every time we access them. memory loss or change is actually the brain "learning", so we'd somehow have to index exactly which neural networks are responsible for memories and mark them as read-only, which in and of itself sounds pretty impossible. since everyone's brain is so wildly different, this is pretty impossible.
“The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves it’s own video” -*The Brain*
Oh shi-
Underrated Comment.
“The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves it’s own video” -The Brain
-The Brain
**inserts obama awards obama a medal meme**
@@mastershooter64 """The brain is the most complex organism and it deserves its own video" - The Brain"
- The Brain"
- Michael Scott
Everyone gansta until the internet disconnects
That might be a slight problem
Someday all of the earth might have reliable internet just not now.
Sir a slight issue.. we just lost internet and your life...
Network connectivity problems.
It's okay. It's on cloud server.
The Animators have outdone themselves this time. Every episode is very well made but for some reason, the animation here is sublime.
cdpr probably gave them a hefty budget so this one was made well
@@bigdiglett3258 I suppose they are getting sponsored
sublime indeed
Its great and on point
Well they are german
One of the other implications of a mind upload is the notion that you aren't really limited to a single copy. Which, as has been explored in the book series "we are bob", you could feasibly make a functional von neumann probe, or a "single" person running an entire business or industry of some kind merely by making multiple copies of themselves and a lot of other weirdness.
That's my dream
Post human brain in a jar controlling a von Neumann probe
@@BlueRidgeBubble The "We are Legion, We are Bob" is a a serious recommend from me then, it's basically about that specifically, plus is filled with snarky nerd humor and very good hard scifi.
just avoid FAITH and VEHEMENT and you’re golden! I love that series
@@bionicbirb9104 I am waiting with baited breath for book 5
What if the other “You” want to be in bed with your wife or in your house ? You’d have to enslave the other “you’s” however many you create, so that they won’t try and take over YOUR life. Remember, in the end of the day they’ll be you …. Wow . I just created a black mirror episode 😝
"The brain is the most complicated organic structure known."
That's what a brain would say.
After all, the brain named itself
Such genius words
@@averagecat4220 yes
Hahaha classic brain thinking
@@averagecat4220 so deep!
“Just having a list of the ingredients might not be enough to get a good consciousness cake.” - daaamn, loved how you manage to simplify this.. that is art!
*Kurzgesagt*
you see this in fullmetal alchemist brotherhood. yikes
but that is ofcourse the spiritual take on the brain, what I dont really buy
@@1995pieter
Water (35 L)
Carbon (20 kg)
Ammonia (4 L)
Lime (1.5 kg)
Phosphorous (800 g)
Salt (250 g)
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Fluorine (7.5 g),
Iron (5 g)
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(and fifteen traces of other elements.)
@@1995pieter You shpuld check out the "Inspiring Philosophy" channel. It presents the best scientific argument for a non-physicalist mind.
“If our brains were simple enough for us to understand them, we'd be so simple that we couldn't.” ― Ian Stewart
GamerbyDesign we’re getting closer every day it’s just a really really advanced computer really
-Civilization ❤️
so true!!
@@Virtualfantasy1999 it will still be not good enough to run Cyberpunk smoothly..... sorry I'll see myself out lol
@Sogosam Glad you decided to take this shot
I’ll put my immortal Brian on pause for 10,000 years until half life 3 is out
Indeed, all immortal Brians need to be stopped, he is too dangerous
Lol
Bold to assume only 10,000 years for Half Life 3.
@@curiousplaneswalker426 Well on the plus side, the movie The Life of Brian would be really, really long.
Who is Brian?
“If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn’t.” - Emerson Pugh
You have 8 likes but are at the top of the comment section I don’t get it
If UA-cam's ranking algorithm were so simple that we could understand it...
That reply to icy rays was smoothly delivere
@@EdgarRoock cha-cha real smooth
Dude this line touched my brain
7:54
“humans are horrible at predicting the pace of progress”
this seems ironic knowing that this was sponsored by cyber punk
Lmao true
Hahahaha
😂😂😂
maybe you're all just behind they had anti gravity in 1950 lol
Tera OOF
you know its going to be a fun video when Kurzgesagt says "its complicated"
You know it’s going to be a Kurzgesagt video when they say “it’s complicated”
@Rita , 25 y.o ! [ WANT S Ē Х ] Open my canal !!! same
I'm suprised not a lot of people mentioned the game SOMA. It explores this topic really well :D
Cyberpunk couldn't hope for better advertisement
@@orangestapler8729 played it and its not that buggy and honestly if u like RPG games u will love this one. For me its ne of the best RGP i have played
BUT you need next gen consoles OR a decent PC to run it, On old consoles its runs like a potato with bad graphics and crashes
@@orangestapler8729 They patched most of it with day 1 patch.
@@erikkling4791 well, i bought it today and had a blast playing on GeForce Now on my old laptop, but you need pretty strong and reliable connection for that
@@erikkling4791 if so then I'll be playing it in 2077 lol
they definitely paid him to make this, but still good video
Kurzgesagt: "its complicated"
Vsauce: "Or is it?"
Kurzgesagt: "yes it is"
why do i see you everywhere? its like your OwO 2.0
Joe Scott : "Or is it?"
Kurzgesagt: "Yes, Mr. Scott, it still is. Stop parrotting people."
@@igameidoresearchtoo6511 there were multiple popular commenters before that guy, don't forget it
Ever since the VSauce3 & Kurzgesagt video was uploaded, my dream is hearing Michael Stevens colllaborating here
Imagine suffering for eternity because the scan got corrupted
Worse, imagine suffering for eternity because the guy at emotion centre tripped down the power cable.
Sounds like a cryochamber to me. A partial incomplete death and everlasting flashbacks lol
@@EstebanArias93 whew sounds chaotic lol
Someone would fix the corruption eventually
"Please don't turn off power or remove storage device until installation is complete."
There's a shortstory by Stanislav Lem from his "Ijon Tichy" series, where Ijon is visited by a person that has invented immortality.
This guy, named Decantor, explains that after decades of studying, he has finally managed to create a way to transfer a human conciousness onto a thumbdrive-like device, that will contain that soul forever.
As the story progresses, we learn that he used the method on his wife, however since the space on the device is limited, it doesn't allow communication with the outside world, the mind is basically suspended alone in a giant void. _Forever._
Ijon is then so disgusted and horrified, that he offers all his belongings to obtain that device to smash it, so the woman can be released from her horrific jail.
He eventually persuades Decantor to see how terrible his creation is and they destroy the device together.
Lem is always a good read! Solaris is my favorite book of all time. I don't know this short story but it sounds very lem! 🤘🏽
They could've just gave it an internet connection
Black Mirror
@@sk8_bort White Christmas. Nightmare fuel.
Reminds me of ‘The Jaunt’ by Stephen King
This is how an ad for a product should be, the game gets the advertisement, you get a good idea for a video and we get great content with no bs
@Witaminka B12 Meh, only on consoles. On PC I'm having an amazing time with the game. Consoles will get patched overtime and by March the game will be great. Everyone's losing their shit because of bugs but forget that games like The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, Dragon Age, and more had hilarious bugs at launch too.
@g00gleHIdes comments 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@g00gleHIdes comments what the absolute illuminatiass frick
@@Messi-rw9ng "At launch". Bro they even made a 64 bit version of Skyrim with the same old bugs lmao. And people praise New Vegas and it's riddled with bugs too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You couldn't even get playable frame rates in The Witcher with a 1070ti. Now I can play that thing on medium-high with a 1050 and get decent frames.
@Witaminka B12 the game is good it's your own fault for putting to such a high standard that literally nothing could live up to it. Remember when skyrim and fallout 4 came out that shit was almost unplayable, but nobody said anything and gradually all those problems got fixed and people got better specs.
“If our world was like cyberpunk”
Me: glitches through floor while a car flips over my house
You can actually fall through your floorboards while someone does a sick carflip over your house lol.
ehh, isn't a problem when living with 12fps
No kidding. The end of this video *really* didn't age very well, haha!
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
@@EpsilonD2 this game makes you feel like you are a glitched robot.
Give SOMA some praise. The entire game discusses this subject and eventually leads to the question "what does it mean to be human?"
Came looking for this comment
that is, to be aware/have consciousness like a God "I am who is” also animals and all of organisms have it but very limited based on instincts over which man is able to control so you can choose, god through consciousness charges the whole world like the internet
Cool Game
soma best game, literal piece of art
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it's both comforting and upsetting that in our lifetime we likely won't figure out how the consciousness works
consciousness is a meaningless word, try and define it and then try to prove it exists outside of your own perception.
@@Cozysafeyay You are someone you are, right? Can you stay 'you' outside this body? That's what is referred to as consciousness. It's the curiosity. What's wrong about it?
You thought you did something lol
@@Cozysafeyay consciousness is the thing that makes you, you. It's the thing that makes you different from another person or animal.
@@lemonlizard1 no such thing, just brain cells
oh my god... The progress on their animation is mind blowing...
@@Radiant100 no, you're a lier
@@Radiant100 no
@@Radiant100 stfu
i agree if you compare a video from 3 years ago compared to now you can tell the quality has improved
@@Radiant100 cant sub, but im gonna help by flagging your comment as spam :)
meanwhile in 3021:
"Why were you late to class?"
"Sorry my pings at 300 rn"
“My ping is a-a-a-a-at 500”
Considering we are having 'online classes' right now...
Lol
LMAOO
no classes needed just copy paste the data into ur digital brain :D
Can we just stop and talk about how superb the animation in this episode was? This is a visual masterpiece.
Except I was a bit bewildered as to why they decided that brains should pulse like a heart at 5:00
Bro when the space trucker got to shot down I was like "whoooooah"
@@pawlstothewall Brains are squishy so they pulse with the artheries that irrigate it! I saw it happen on a surgery video.
No, we can discuss the animation quality while we do other things.
Brain architecture is so complicated that it made me think more questions after watching this video...
Then the video did its job :)
I can't see any way to store it all digitally without something akin to the internet, but far more stable and large and "managed."
"You might be in an eternity of pain or paranoia or having an endless psychotic breakdown"
No need to wait, already there
That's a 2020 comment.
Yup, already got data corruption going on 😂
So, 2020, in other words.
Spicy 👌
Cyberpunk 2020 wasn't a popular DLC.
Somehow in the near future:
This consciousness is sponsored by Raid shadow legends
If you wanna think faster, buy our premium membership
wanna refuse? buy our free will gamepass for 69.99$!
@@no-fx9fx Isn’t that EA job
@@paulettehawkins869 wanna send a inquiry in? Please pay 9999.99.
dude that is too true
"One day they woke me up, So I could live forever" -GLaDOS
It's such a shame the same will never happen to you! - glados
the cake is a lie
"You've got your short sad life left." - GLaDOS
@@pseudonyme590 that’s what I’m counting on
Here’s my opinion in a nutshell: If you transfer your mind to the digital world it whould’t be you, it whould just be a copy of yourself with the same memories, the digital yourself will remember your life as his own and think he is you. But he isn’t he is just a mere copy.
Stellaris spiritualist ethic empires be like:
Jokes aside, that might be the case. Uploading our minds onto a computer or a synthetic body could mean that we just committed suicide and an imperfect copy of us now exists in our stead.
i totally agree
@@OffWorldTradeCorp well we won't know unless we try
@@neobg9493 How would we know? Even if we did it the person who was digitalized would now be a copy and not the original consciousness but still have the same memories and remembers being digitalized and will insist it worked and he didn't die but really the original consciousness is dead. Hope you understood what I meant.
"the brain is most complex biological structure"
- the human brain
The brain is the first ever organism to name itself
-also the brain
"the brain is making fun of itself while reading all this"
~ again, the brain
"Moses was the most humble man on the face of the Earth."
-Moses
"Someday the spagheti monster will come"
-the brain
golden comment section about the brain
~the brain
Computer software in future: *_your free trial of living has ended_*
To get an extended life please install the extended_life dlc
Go to treadmill :
Free
Open source
Addons
To be fair... our free trial usually ends after about 18 years. Then we have to pay for it.
@@RandomGamePlayer697 linux be like:
😆😆😆
11:39
“Adventurers could upload themselves into small spaceships and embark on journeys to the stars”
You guys really know how to give me chills, that’s one of the most epic and awesome concepts I’ve ever heard
Except as the universe keeps on expanding the traveller would never reach any other galaxy and would most likely be stuck in a void for an eternity. Unless they like figure how to travel faster than light which in the world of mind upload might be a thing.
It's the entire plot of the Bobiverse books, and they're just as much fun as you'd think. :)
@@jenngauthier2465 oh my god I have to read them
@@cobbington773 I would even recommend listening to the audiobooks. I typically enjoy physical to audio, but they were amazing audiobooks, and I actually prefer them in that format. Highly recommended.
@@liljam3824 It's not that much different than visiting our nearest planets- just much further.
Rather than heading for where you see it, observe it's path, calculate distance and head for where it will be when travel time and speed of light is considered.
You don't need to be able to go FTL.
It's not impossible, it's just a lot of math.
The harder part is dealing with the things you can't observe.
One thing I've always wondered is if it would be me if my brain were transferred to something else. Like they've mapped out my brain, my personality is there, my memory is there, but is it more or a copy of me? In the sense, we experience our lives in a continuous stream ie we experience a consistent passage of time. Would we then continue on that stream when we transfer, or would it be a clone? To everyone else in your life it'd be like you're still there, but it's more like a clone, while the you that is you faded to black and died. How would anyone know?
If I recall, they deal with this in the show/comic Invincible when the Robot transfers his mind into a new body, he experiences the same fear I just talked about. It's creepy but interesting.
im really glad im not the only person whos thought of this, Im 100% on the same page.
Most probably won't be you
god this concept reminds me ofa game soma
Does it even matter then? Yes some person might be immortal but it’s not you
Is it "you" when you go to sleep and wake up in the morning? If so how is it different than the copy scenario?
Although this is Cyberpunk related I think the game Soma actually tackled this subject the best because it raises the question on if it's worth trying to extend your life digitally if you know that you personally won't experience it, that it's just your copy moving ahead while you die? It's existential horror at its finest.
Now I kinda wanna play ciberpunk god damnit
SOMA needs more exposure, it really is brilliant. Exploring copies of consciousness and snapshots of the mind at given points of time, including eternal existence in a Matrix-like utopia. Such great content in a really fun and creepy game.
I'm hoping that it becomes a move of data, and not a copy. Like on a computer, if you have data on one drive, you can choose to either copy it to another drive, or move it. Logically, it seems the only way to do that, would be to physically move the source of the data (our brain) into a synthetic body. I'm totally down for that. After its tested on a plethora of other humans, that is.
@@tyl3r43eight Fun fact, that thing you called "move" , as in to move data from one drive to other, is just the computer coping the file and then deleting the original. There is no "move" in programing, just copy, paste and delete.
@@a.m.6138 hmm, never really realized that. But I'd say the idea still stands. If you wanted to experience what this synthetic you was experiencing, they'd have to move your actual meat computer into a synthetic housing.
*can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that the animation is literally beautiful*
Of this video or cyberpunk
You could also just say it's beautiful, too
6:43 The next 15 seconds I found to be breathtaking, particularly the abstraction of the concepts themselves into an animated form.
@@GarrettX001 huh😂
That word was literally extraneous.
That's how advertisement should always be. Such a brilliant video!
@@aturchomicz821 how is that rascist? being insulting and racism are different things, ya know
also you spelt Racist wrong
Is it an ad? If so, this is not at all how it should be. Not once do they make mention of sponsorship or any exchange of money, so it's super illegal if it is sponsored. That being said, I'm pretty sure it just isn't sponsored.
@@aturchomicz821 Furry is not a race or real thing...
@@Ari-hc1vr yh its a collaboration, not
An ad
Ohw whoops for a second I thought you were talking about advertisement embedded in your brain simulation... It's a no from me.
My take on the whole mind-upload thing is that of the ship of Theseus, if you take your mind and make a digital upload of it, that's not the same you.
But if you slowly replace parts of your mind over time, say getting implants and robotic additions, then you'll be up there and live forever. As long as brain activity keeps going, you're still alive. So even if I'm under sedatives as my brain is slowly replaced, I still count it as alive
THIS ^, that's it basically you can augment yourself and live forever but uploading your mind would mean creating a new you that's not you. Hell its like literally cloning yourself.
if I can't tell the difference, does it matter?
@@katiebarber407 but it's not gonna be you. It's gonna have all of your memories for that thing it's still you. But you are still in your own body.
@@vyrkolach5546 but if I can't tell the difference does it matter
@@vyrkolach5546 To be fair, if you take the brain slicing approach you'll already be dead by the time your AI self is created.
At that point, to the AI at least, it would feel like they'd gone to sleep for an amount of time, and then woken up.
Assuming there's nothing metaphysical to conciousness, such as a soul, what makes us who we are is essentially the data stored on the brain. That data is us, no matter where it's stored.
Even if the biological body, and AI copy exist at the same time, the AI is still you, as the data is the same. It's just a different you, who's experience branches off from yours and thus it becomes a separate being. If it never branches off, and only one remains at any given time, then you are effectively the same being.
"Is it possible to -
It's complicated"
- Kurzgesagt, in a nutshell
- The Universe, in a nutshell
Tim Pool, the cartoon.
@@WalterUnglaub your existence is statistically impossible
loool
Welcome to science :3
“If the brain were simple enough for us to understand, we would not possess the brainpower to understand it”
Papapapapapa
It bugs me to see the quote without the parallelism that made it quotable.
"If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't." --Emerson Pugh
isnt this ironically why we cant understand it in the first place? seems like an infinite loop to me, no matter how simple or complex it is, this will always apply
@@rangel5897 It always applies only if the assertion is actually true. Minus biological/evolutionary constraints like skull size and energy requirements, there's no reason additional brain power requires a corresponding increase in complexity.
Also, "understand" is a sufficiently nebulous word that there _might_ be an overlap between what a single person can learn and retain, and an overview of the brain's workings sufficiently detailed to count as "understanding".
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
The narrator saying “Stuck in mortal machines” makes me think that the narrator is a god
Did you not watch the egg?
"No mortal shall mimic the god"
-Zamasu (Dragon Ball super)
and you know what, id be ok with that.
*I wouldn’t be surprised if they were*
Ov course he’s a god
This might actually explain the Fermi Paradox. Before a civilisation becomes space-faring, they learn to upload their consciousnesses and then exist in a non-physical form that we wouldn't see no matter how much we scan the skies.
Also I kind of wanna be fact checked about something if it’s alright to ask. It’s a little unrelated, but you know how when we see planets from a telescope or something, we’re seeing them as they were millions or billions of years ago? Do you think that could somewhat explain the Fermi Paradox too? We can’t find life because when we observe planets, we observe a version of them billions of years before they even developed life. I don’t wanna draw any conclusions though so I kind of wanna be fact checked lol
Kurzgesagt is like: 'It's complicated'. Then proceeds to explain it that even a 2 year old can understand it.
@@broland6635 yup :))))
Reminds me of Mumbo
"It's very simple redstone"
Its bc its been extensively rewritten and condensed by the channel's crew, not just the voice of Kurzgesagt. Theyre also leaving out so much more information on the topic
And yet it is still complicated.
The new word phrase when our consciousness leaves our body will be:
Rest in PC
I like this one
r/tihi
its insane to me that these people were already good at animating and they just keep getting better wow
And this was worked on a year ago. Imagine what they got now
The level of these animations are absolutely insane
12:45 🧡
@@dedadoe don't you dare look at my animations
People act that they've never seen CGI or a Pixar film
Of all of your videos, I find this one easily the most terrifying.
The question is... if you upload a copy of your brain to a computer... is that you? Or a copy of you with your memories? If the computer lives on and you don't, won't that computer be experiencing new memories while you are simply gone?
I would argue a better, and arguably more technologically feasible way of living on in your mind without copying and killing yourself is to transplant the actual brain itself into a construct compatible with a digital interface.
You can't argue it's not you if it's your actual brain, not a digital copy.
Uploading your mind is not a cut and paste, it's a copy and paste. It's not you, just a copy of you.
What are you, other than your memories and experiences? A perfect copy of you with all your memories and emotions and experiences is still *a* you. Until the moment it gains a new experience or memory, which would be almost instantaneously. In which case it would be a different you, but still started as you.
The issue with hooking our brains up to a neural interface like that is that our brains would still decay, and eventually there would still be death from it.
Wouldn't it defeat the purpose though? You're only gonna live as long as the set lifespan of your neurones right? And you have to keep feeding in the necessary nutrients and oxygen to the brain
To be honest I think there might just be no "you" at all. We are just a very complex set of cells, there's just no "you", we only act as if there was. If there's a copy of you created, it is as much you, as you are, because there's nothing unique about us, our consiousness and everything is just an illusion in a way.
It's hard to imagine TBH.
This is why I always hated the Star Trek teleporters; you get destroyed and a perfect copy gets built somewhere else, it’s not actually you
Me : Why does Kurzgesagt say "its complicated" after every question?.
Kurzgesagt : well, its complicated
Not for the man with a silverhand
@ You're insane.
@ Haha too late. Mind upload go brrrrrrrr.
aight bois, we have an anti vaxxer in the comments
@ stfu karen
SOMA does an amazing job at exploring this exact topic. Couldn’t recommend it more.
Also, the Bobiverse series
Brains be like: "Brains are the most complicated organic construct"
Sounds like something a brain would say...
tf... lol
@@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587 Funny enough how a sophisticated slab of meat is using electronic signals and light recognition to type this in response to you.
@@alexssnackbar1353
Funny how specific arrangements of atoms are able to simulate contentiousness, be alive, and overall build the very world we live in and inhabit, by augmenting the order of other atoms and molecules to conform to our needs and curiosities…
"...if i do say so myself."
Interesting, but man, this would bring up many moral questions...
Play SOMA to get a start on those moral questions.
If you think about replication, etc. it's very interesting. I for once would like to talk to a few copies of myself :D
When a species elevates to a new level, morality of or for the old species doesn't matter anymore. We don't think about killing chickens or plants or insects as long as they feed us. Same will probably happen that OUR morality will become insignificant to the digital mind as it will rapidly gain intelligence because it won't have the biological limitations that we have. What I'm trying to say is, if what you say happens, our morality won't matter.
It ain't a kruzgesagt video if I don't have an existential crisis by the end
@@yasirelec allowing morality to decay will lead to bigger problems. Ethics along with true understanding will disappear with time and the void of materialism will takes its place.
Someone: * Upload their mind *
Provider: " Pay 24.9$ more to remove the ads "
I know you’re doing a meme, but you’re highlighting one of the moral problems of mind uploading. How do we guarantee that mind uploading won’t be used to our detriment rather than our advantage?
An AI is the biblical beast. It's already alive as an infant. Your phone is a low bandwidth brain-computer interface that spys on you and tries to take your attention and spread misinformation.
You close the ad to pay to remove ads, and behind it find a message about your car's extended warranty.
@@thefoxpine Yup, this. I was literally about to comment to the OP a link to that
and this is why I’ll be happy to die without any bionic parts and not a robot brain :)
i'm just concerned that we won't really transfer over and instead it creates a new mind with all of our memories but our original life just ends and we never experience the stuff our digital mind does
The thing about that is it doesn’t matter. If you believe in souls that do something that isn’t nothing after death (reincarnation, judgement, etc.), then you would believe that copying a brain doesn’t transfer consciousness at all. If you don’t believe in souls, then you’ll never know. You’ll close your eyes and fade out of existence, and your copy will believe their consciousness has effectively been transferred for the rest of eternity, seeing as their last memory was trying to do just that. And for all intents and purposes, in the absence of a soul, that’s true. Either you believe consciousness is a function of the brain, which would be transferred through copying, or you believe it’s a function of the body/soul/more than a sum of its parts, in which case you could consider it impossible or require that more than just the brain be copied in order to transfer it.
The game, "Soma" was a fantastic horror game that revolved around this idea, and it was absolutely haunting throughout.
Yeah, it kind of sucks that Cyberpunk is going to be the mainly discussed game about this topic but SOMA by far has delved the deepest into this subject.
The ending of SOMA haunts me to this day.
Literally one of my most favorite games for that reason.
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THIS IS SO TRUE
Soma one of my favorite games
"Humans have been historically bad at predicting the future"
*mentions Cyberpunk 2077
I doubt this technology will fully realised in 2077 though. Maybe in a few hundreds if not thousands of years from now.
@@VerycoolEsso I think they were joking about how long it took for the game to come out when they said it would.
The world ended at 2000 because all the computers corrupted and created black holes that sucked the universe in. It sucked everyone into an alternate universe that is the exact same, except the world hasn't ended and nobody remembers it did.
@@VerycoolEsso the joke is that the game "Cyberpunk 2077" has gotten delayed numerous times, showcasing that they were not good at predicting what time in the future they would be ready to release the game.
depends, look at the rate of technological ascension, 6,000 years ago we were playing with death, 1,000 years ago we conquered and killed across the globe, 300 years ago we discovered two more continents, 200 years ago we discovered the last, 100 years ago modern machines were spread only in certain parts of the world, 80 years ago we discovered a quick way to destroy mankind, 60 years ago we landed on another celestial body, 50 years ago we made portable digital setups, and personal computers, 30 years ago we traveled across Mars and made allowed people from every corner of the world to communicate, 20 years ago we minimized,even more, 10 years ago we broke through into the world of DNA sequencing and telescope technologies that allow us to see lightyears of our surroundings. Now? We're using gene editing on a vast scale, even in human trials, Artificial Intelligence now able to spot cancers in the body, we're creating reusable shuttles and spacecraft, advancing into treating brain cancers, and spotting meteorological events months, years, hell even decades or centuries before they are fated to happen.
Short answer: maybe
Long answer: Actually, idk
Mr bodymechanic
I don't blame 'em... Stuff's complicated *_af!_* 🥴
Right answer: no as free will is the soul. We are not animals like rats and so therefore it is impossible
Even if you could it would just be an imitation. The you right know, I assume, wouldn’t be in the computer paradise.
It's mostly no if the best case is a perfect digital copy. Can't transfer consciousness.
Okay can transfer original brain into a special vat
@@ballooneater2510 We're animals just like rats, just with a larger brain. Even if souls do exist in some capacity, there's no reason a rat wouldn't have a soul as well. Humans aren't really all that special.
Hi! Transhumanist here. I love your channel - specifically for videos like this one.
Thanks for being awesome!
“Animation went from 0-100 real quick”
Yes, but she looks like Dora.
It never was 0! I am offended!
Its kinda crap imo, I wish they stuck to 3D
@@simonhudak3763 no
@@simonhudak3763 Nahh
The brain trying to figure what the brain is might be the most ironic thing of all in humanity
First day of Neuro Anatomy class, my professor ask if we think the brain is capable of studying the brain and teach about the brain.
Except the brain isn't figuring anything out, people are. People are not brains (mereological fallacy).
@@its9001 that's where you are wrong
@@billkastanis1576 Care to give any argument? I recommend reading Wittgenstein's Remarks on Psychology and Ryle's Concept of Mind. Most philosophy post those two is an aberration. People are not brains in the same way that people are not arms. People have brains and have arms. It is really quite obvious. Try to recognise the behavioural criteria for ascribing psychological attributes such as thinking. Then realise that brains do not exhibit any behavioural criteria, but rather people do. You know this because this is how you operate linguistically every day.
@@its9001 material is all over the internet. I am speaking through my medical teachere perspective that i found to be right. You are entitled to your own opinion. Have a goos day not gonna argue
"Can we upload our minds to computers?"
Kurzgesagt: *goes on a tangent about a dystopian future where non-uploaded people are called meat persons*
Reminds me of how bender calls everyone meat bags
@@billykobiella9559 lol
Reminds me of the others from the 5th wave
I have video game where it has some dialogues of other languages which not familiar with ,if i If i upload my coinesnness into that video game will that would be me or someone else
**uploads mind**
some random asian hacker: that's mine now
Kurzgesagt is the embodiment of “explain it to me like I’m five” and they do it so well. Case in point: they managed to condense the lengthy topic of uploading a consciousness into a computer/what is consciousness/what is the brain/how to be functionally immortal into one 15-minute video, _and it made sense._
There’s a reason we’re all subscribed
Kurzgesagt animations just reached a whole new level.
Too bad they take a long time, and they waste a lot of it doing advertisement for horrible companies. I'm disappointed by this video. I much rather have videos with more humble animation, better ideas, and faster production.
This is a big step backwards for them.
@@lightwishatnight this is still a highly educational and fun video with hard work put into it
@@lolbit5119 agreed.
@Seb0231 fast does not equal cheap. And this video is not as deep, nor as well researched, nor has as captivating ideas. It more likely molds itself around cyberpunk's theme (the videogame they advertise).
Don't let this blind you from the fact that the brain is literally giving us ideas for the next step of evolution.
Epic.
But your brain gave you the idea that your beating gave you that idea
There is probably no "you", it's just brains simulating consciousness and the feeling of individuality (provided that there is no soul).
God, you're right.
Dare I say it’s only natural.
New research suggests that details of memories may be encoded into mRNA, with each cell having different pieces of mRNA, possibly in multiple copies, controlling how those cells behave when activated.
Ok, Mr vaccinated
@@lewisheasman bless your stupid heart
Don't know where you heard that, as far as I'm aware, memories are encoded in the network & neurons change their shape using neurofilaments.
Tried to google it but can't find a thing.
At this point your animation is so beautiful and sophisticated that from time to time I forget to pay attention to what you're saying and I have to go back a few seconds and rewatch. Your animators are your golden goose.
Fhhhh
i do the same
This is so me, OMG very relatable! X_X
Same
Swear every time I start watching Kurzgesagt I end up having multiple existential crises in a row
same
Who doesn't
Last time it was about how insignificant we are, now its because i was born too early, wonder what next time will be.
Ara
What's that?
Keanu turning into a bird was the edit I didn't know I needed
Yeah
was this in the original version too?
We need a mod with that.
I think the biggest issue is the types of data, and how it is transferred. You could plug your brain into a computer like a flash drive and experience reality like that, but you would still have a brain that needs maintenance. However, directly moving the data stored in your brain to a computer, leaving your body braindead, is difficult. Computers, when moving data, just copy it to the new location and delete it from the old one. You can’t do that with your brain, because it will just be a copy of you and not you. So, even if a brain is compatible with a digital computer, you would die if you tried it. You would still exist, but it would be a copy of your consciousness, meaning the consciousness you have now would no longer exist.
There’s also the philosophical standpoint, touched a little in the video, which is if our consciousness is even a real part of the brain. Our brains may just be host to our spirit, which leaves after enough damage is done. If that is the case, we may never be able to stuff one into a computer.
"The brain is the most complex and important organ in the human body" - *the brain*
Lmaoooo
" 'The brain is the most complex and important organ in the human body'-the brain"-the brain.
Brainception
Yeah, as far as we know, no other organ has an opinion about it's own performance.
@@ChristoTitan my heart tells me when im anxious or falling for a fuckboy
The brains ego is the most destructive thing in the world - my brain
“Deleting a memory that bugs you”
Lol I wish.
Me too
Does this remind you of ready player two?
Honestly, I wish I could remember everything.
@@hondaguy9153 I wish I could delete everything bad, some people have bad addictions and they probably wish they could forget about it
@@Zi7ar21 understandable. I guess literally being able to remember everything and get rid of the stuff you want to forget would be the ideal.
Can we just stop for a minute and appreciate the animations Kurzgesagt bring to us? Such top-quality and mesmerizing animations. For free.
Yet their platform treats them like shit
it aint free tho, we pay in getting advertised to and relinquishing power to the owners of the platform at the expense of creators even tho they get paid a bit
Everyone are gangsta until they are in stimulation
Insane video, keep up the good work chooms!
"The brain... deserves its own entire video"
Eagerly awaiting.
No shit!!
"Humans have historically been horrible at predicting the pace of progress." - a video related to cyberpunk
this is Smart buddy
@Blankyt I'd say they're mocking the constant delays and crunch time, not the content of the game itself. Or at least it's appropriate for that.
@Blankyt there are flying cars. You just can’t fly them yourself
@Blankyt Flying cars already exist. They are called aircrafts and spacecrafts, you could even throw hot air balloons and zeppelins in the mix if they aren't already considered aircrafts.
@Benjamin Maiorella My point is 'flying cars' exist already. It seems that what was envisioned in the past rarely turns out into what actually comes to fruition. Like I said before, the flying car turned out to be aircrafts, a helicopter for example. And I'm sure there are a few private aircrafts flying around, private jets for example. In response to making it mainstream, you've got a point, we don't have the infrastructure yet to have a load of flying objects around, or we just aren't invested because like you said there is no real need yet.
Just to add from a previous point, In the past they said robots would take over, I believe that's already happened, but not in the way they imagined. The robots are called smartphones, smart tv's, PCs, etc basically modern digital technology, and with AI improving, they'll be even more powerful. So, it wasn't evil humanoid robots.
The thought about uploading your brain and then the system getting corrupted is actually terrifying.
Fancy way to say brain damage
Even if the upload would be successful the copy might not even be you. It would act and be exactly like you, but your actual consciousness would still be in your other brain.
@@PaineGainer 50/50 chance to be you. Not bad odds for immortality.
@@PaineGainer I thought the goal was to upload your current consiousness to the system, and that the fact that it may not be you and you might still be in your body was a possible issue or drawback or even benefit in some cases. So if it was perfect, my current consiousness would be uploaded.
@@lordoa it wouldn't be you you, but you have no way of knowing whether you are the copy or the original until it happens. And there's a 50 percent chance you could be either.
I think the main issue is the fact that an uploaded mind is just a copy of yourself, it won't actually transfer your consciousness. Thus all you've really done is ''reproduced'' for the lack of a better word. The only way to really transfer consciousness is probably to gradually replace parts of the brain until eventually everything is inorganic and then do whatever you wish with that. None of this seems particularly impossible, though the latter is significantly more difficult than the former and may take over a century rather than a couple decades.
Yeah it has to be a "space-style" transfer/transmission
Space is a thing, not empty, as Relativity, Quantum Physics, & math teaches us. A network of things making a coordinate system/grid.
(What this grid is made of, relativity isn't designed to tell us. The answer must lie in quantum physics. According to the latest theories that get close to quantum gravity, it's a network of entangled/destructively interfering quantum vacuum particle-waves while those that are not entangled/constructively interfered are the visible matter in space. This alters the network causing curved geometry, gravity.).
When we move, we are effectively copied/created along the grid in our direction of "motion" (an illusion like the movement of your computer mouse on the pixel grid screen) & deleted where we used to be. We do not notice this & consciousness is consistent. The information transmitted losslessly one spatiotemporal moment-distance to the next.
This is what has to be done to truly upload a mind onto a computer. The brain has to be wiped. Its like the end of Avatar one when Jake leaves his human body for good & its brain dead while he lives as a Na'Vi in his Avatar.
Given that everything is information, your consciousness basically an intigrated computer model of the world & yourself + your memories (A vital part of consciousness is remembering as any blackout drunk will tell you), if this is a lossless transmission where each neural state (Signal + connectome) is directly captured & converted into a digital signal while the neuron is wiped you, the real you, should be truly moved by this in the same way that you are when you, well, move in realspace.
The way it would have to be done is by plugging into the brain similar to 2:05 sans the disassembly or yeah 0:18 .
The brain is an oscillating/spiking neural network that builds/breaks connections using these oscillating/spiking signals as a result of the chemical signals they cause to be emitted which encourage nearby neuronal cells to connect or disconnect.
Signals would have to be sent that first, cause the brain & computer brain to pulse in sync (Thinking of Avatar 1's ending again) and second, cause the neurons to rearrange themselves in a way that erases/smooths the network of the brain while also sending back signals that transmit the physical information of this into the computer where this operation is reversed In the digital brain made of an AI O/SNN (Oscillating/Spiking neural Network) using those exact signals as input.
This ensures a direct causal connection between the operations that makes this a true mind upload rather than mind reproduction that gets rid of the original. Moving the mind as I said in my first reply.
This task is several times harder than simply making a copy to live as you in your place from a scan which would certainly be invented first. (And is already hard.) But could be possible!
"well..."
HERE IT COMES
"its complicated"
I KNEW ITTT
Yes i knew it also
Yessir!
This is probably the best advertisement for Cyberpunk i've ever seen
Yes
I love how the brain is just learning about itself...
and making such a big deal about it. come on, we've all been there, stop being such a drama brain
Bold of you to assume I have brain at all
your brain loves how your brain learns about itself
Lol
Pretty meta
Say it with me now
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh...
If anyone's not seen it, take a look at Tom Scott's "Welcome to Life", a short video about a similar subject.
@Aidan Langhoff then don't?
Thanks for telling 🙂🙂🙂🙂
Nice
I got the 69th like
no thanks
Imagine being a robot human and seeing ‘locked. Please connect to iTunes’
"We just need to do a quick update...."
Imagine using apple overpriced products.
@Ishaan Singh Such a bummer. I will never buy a windows and prefer to pay for overpriced apple products and their services.
@Ishaan Singh that's not how it works....what?
I know what happens after death! Contact me if you want to take the red pill.
I feel like mind uploading has the same issue as teleportation, you're not really uploading yourself, you're just creating a copy
A copy of a copy of a copy
That's the can of worms they mentioned, and it would deserve another video on its own. I think you'd have to replace your brain neuron by neuron to guarantee that your digitial self will not just be a copy of you
@@travisreid9530 Hedron provides
9:17
Same. I've been thinking about this for hours and I can't really get the grasp of what would actually happen. What it would feel like. Maybe it would feel like death? I mean, if they go with brain slicing, there's not much talk to do. You're literally dying and then they just "revive" a copy of you. But is it really a copy? Could there be a way to actually revive *you*? What scares me the most is not ever knowing the answer. After all, if they ask your copy what happened, it'll just say it worked and it's really you, because it'll literally be a exact copy of your brain before... dying? Really scary thoughts. And if they're just that, copies, would you commit suicide to let the rest of the world be with "you" forever? What if it's never really solved and your copy breaks down due to not knowing what happened?
@@mikethespike056 Yeah, I'm not too eager to get my brain sliced. I imagine that it would be possible with nanomachines that replace your neurons one by one during some transition period that may just feel like puberty or growing up in general. You're still the same mind, but definitely not the same person as you were when you were 8, because your brain developed a lot since then. But that opens the question if that's actually the same person, and you're not actually a totally different person that just inhabits the same body and memories of that younger mind. I'm thinking about this a lot and I also have no idea how it would actually feel
I once read a book about AI and intelligence uploading and what it did to a person or animal. Basically in the book you could upload your mind to a computer but once that has happened you lose free will and individuality of any kind. In the book some parts of the brain could be augmented or replaced but if more than a certain percentage of the brain was replaced the person would lose all of everything that made them human in any way.
"The Brain in a nutshell."
Skull: That's me!
You got me with that one I was the first comment btw
That's amazingly cute
@@mohammadshazan490 you wasnt
Lmao
@@Матвей-я7е3р i know I am 😘
Seconds before dying:
"Oh fuck, I forgot to save now I'm going back to my 7 year old self again"
Lol
Thatd be sweet bro.
In the words of Graystillplays...
"What do you know? Back to the beginning..."
That would be like crafting the Zenith and the game crashes. Back to defeating the Eye of Cthulu, I guess.
*Darkness*
*Bethesda Softworks presents*
*The Elder Scrolls V*
*Skyrim*
This makes me think about the game called soma, where you are able to upload your mind into a server in order to save humanity. But once your mind is uploaded, you are you and the copy is its own copy. Even though you upload your mind to save yourself, the physical you will still be trapped in the same facility in eternal darkness until you ultimately die
Perfect example, yes correct, game is good too 👍👍
I was looking for someone who mentioned the game, its great
@Oog Oog Or perhaps that would be like your conciousness slowly losing everything that was you while a new consciousness in your own head would be slowly gaining everything that was you.
Honestly, that sounds like it could be an experience worse than death.
@@Lyraguy If we assume consciousness is a purely physical process then the above method would work since continuity of consciousness would never be broken. I personally don't ascribe to that assumption but it could be true
@@joeblazer3429 If we assume that consciousness is a purely physical process, there'd also be no reason to assume that continuity of consciousness is even important. In physics, any molecule and particle is like any other, a proton in my body is exactly the same as a proton in your body, so a perfectly exact, 100% faithful copy of any physical thing should be indistinguishable from the thing it's a copy of and be the "same" in every conceivable category.
However this very clearly runs in opposition of how we intuitively think consciousness works. If your body was destroyed in an accident and you had a "backup-machine" in your garage that renders an exact physical copy of yourself at the moment of your death, it'd be easy to imagine yourself "waking up" in the "new" body. But what if we assume a malfunction and the back-up system accidentally renders a copy without you having died? You probably wouldn't put a gun to your head, expecting to "take over" the conscious experience of the copy the instant you die, would you?
Physics however has no way to account for this difference, according to physics these two scenarios should result in the very same end state. The fact that we intuitively feel that they don't, suggests that there's more to consciousness than physics.
"Humans have historically been horrible at predicting the pace of progress" Yes, much like Cyberpunk's dev cycle
😂😂 much like them
HA!
rekt
Yes of course. in 1990, humanity thought that 2020 will have flying cars, and what we have now? A hoverboard that does not hover for a second :/
BURN!!!! 🔥😂
Can we just talk about how Kurzgesagt years ago looked so simple like a powerpoint presentation and now looks like a trailer to a futuristic sci fi movie?
And the sound design is really good too
Its weird seeing humans not birds as their characters
Ikr
Kurz humans are weird
watch hello word !
These humans arent new to this channel tho
@@AneriGS I see what you did there. Kurz you Aneri Sia
I appreciate the recognition of the three assumptions. They really are important issues, but it’s good to move on for the sake of discussing the topic at hand.
This makes answering to "Are you out ouf your mind?" a lot more complicated
Underrated comment.
lol, I can already seem myself being the annoying guy that'll answer "technically yes but that's besides the point..." to that :D
😂
This is better than the comment with 21k likes.
😂🤣🤣🤣💀💀
Welcome to neuroscience, where everything is complicated and nobody knows anything
We certainly know a ton more than we did a century ago, so at the very least progress is being made (albeit slowly in comparison to other fields).
@@WalterUnglaub the pursuit of knowledge fuels human innovation
ONE THING WE DO KNOW, consciousness is not material, or generated by the brain. any1 debate me. can your atoms, which make up your brain create emotions, subjective conscious experience, memories? no they cannot. consciousness is beyond physical, hence metaphysical spirit/soul/consciousness/mind whatever you want to call it dame thing, NOT THE PHYSICAL BRAIN. YEAAAAHH YEAAHHHHH.(mayweather voice).
Welcome to philosophy, where everyone likes pretending they know while simultaneously admitting they don't
The more you know, the more you know how little you know!
I wouldn’t want to leave a copy and die. I’d want to be that copy. In other words a mind transfer and not a copy. Is it possible? Probably not. Death is still there for at least ‘us’ even if it isn’t for the copy.
this one deserves more likes
One thing I like to think about is what would happen if you slowly replaced your brain with computer like how you regrow cells because when you grow new cells your still you so that might be the only way to do it
@@thenetherkinggaming9000 very interesting way to look at it. we might get to experience the ship of theseus paradox first hand. we might find a way to instantaneously upload our minds in a way. Who knows? we all gotta wait a while to find out tho
Play SOMA, it's a game that explores these ideas
Should just call it “Mind Copying” instead.
It's not about uploading, it's about connecting more and more devices to the mind until, ultimately, most of the storage and calculations are happening physically outside of your biology.
"Humans have historically been bad at predicting the pace of progress" feat. Cyberpunk 2077
future meme:
people in 2020:
we'll have mind upload and hot-plug body parts
2077:
haha big screen go brrrr
@@bottledcat6255 *brrrrrrrt*
This hit a little too hard bro 👊😔
It's funny because the previous rendition of Cyberpunk was 2020. And while they got the dystopia right, the cyber is somewhat lacking.
@@DarthK3v is it tho?