The timing of this video is spot on. Definitely a hot topic of late that's on a lot of people's mind's. Always love your videos Cleveland. Excited to see you hit 100K subscribers this year!
This is so funny - I saw your video this morning - i finished editing a video on topic (of UST) yesterday but I'm a bit of a fan of USTs so my views are a little on the pro side.
I havent published it yet - scheduled for Thursday, and only about USTs vs long throw - no mention of TVs but funny to see random publishing of the topic.. My video took me about 2 weeks to make due to work and too much b-roll filming... @@ThaVillaMan
When I bought my new house the decision was simple for me. I sit 12 ft away and picked up a 120” screen with UST Awol. It is perfect for the distance. If I couldn’t go at least 120, I would have picked up a 100” TCL for $2k. But those extra 20” make a massive difference. A few things come into play here for considerations. If I were to buy the 100 inch TV things would be easier, the contrast and blacks would be better, and better for brighter, viewing environments. Less to calibrate, more set it and forget it type of thing. However, you are left with a massive screen stuck on your wall, it would not play 3-D movies - I have over 100 of those and they are simply stunning and better experience IMO than in the theaters with the AWOL 3500, the screen size would have me wanting more, and I would most likely pick up a five-year warranty on the TV because of TCL track record. I use a floor rising screen with the UST and display a nice gallery print on my wall so the TV does not take over the entire living room space. If you have a dedicated theater room, then a fixed screen is fine. Another good point on the logistics - some people simply are not going to be able to navigate a massive box down a flight of stairs. Now to price. The TCL 115 inch just announced and high sense 119 inch just announced at CES will both cost close to $20,000. A 120” UST $1000 - 5000. That’s quite a difference. So considering price, size of your space, and how immersive you want the experience to be - those will be the determining factors.
The first thing is these TVs don't have 3D we're most projectors do and that's important to me. Plus you don't get the same feel as you do with a projector. I've got both in the same room
Every body seems to forget refelections from TV, hate i can see my own mirror image looking on LCD or OLED screens. Projector picture do not have reflections...
What was fantastic about my ust projector was when I had a problem, I boxed it up and sent it away for a new lens and had it sent back in a week. Imagine having to take down your 100-inch TV to be sent away or to be fixed in the home. What a nightmare. Plus with a projector screen, no ugly cables, or having to feed your cables through a wall. Projector all the way for me.
I mentioned this in a few other videos for some of the big AV creators in this space and everyone of them was like "yeah thats a good point" and didn't think of that. I don't think people realize when you get a cartoonishly big TV you are married to that thing. I mean think about it. We are AV nerds and like to upgrade our stuff especially displays and what are you going to do with a 100" when it becomes obsolete? You can't sell it, no one is going to buy that on the used market. You'd have give it away or even pay someone to take it if it's too old. You can't even throw TVs out that big. You gotta hire someone to get it. I can't even imagine the hassle if that thing broke.
My problem is that the only wall I have a window behind the screen when I want the large screen experience and i dont want to build a mount that hinges up to store the tv against the ceiling.
Just bought an Epson long throw LS12000 for my dedicated theater… it’s incredibly bright, it replaced my Sony 900E TV which was a very bright TV… the Epson at the end of the day was a no brainer I blackened out the room, and feel the same brightness I had with the TV. There’s just something about a projector that gives that cinematic and natural feel… I think I’ll miss that one day, looking up and seeing the light beam from time to time.
I love the epson home cinema 2350. It has a smart card in it. So you don't need a DVD or Blu-ray player. It has Bluetooth. Which is convenient. The screen sizes are nice. I can use it anywhere. Spec are 40 to 300 And up to 500 inches. But would have to be a dark environment.
One more thing. When I use older formats. Laserdisc. They look incredible good. Which is something most TVs can't reproduce the same. Because of cheap components.
I just realized this as well. Still conflicted. I can't watch a projector after getting COVID because I get motion sickness. It's wearing off SLOWLY thank God but it's taking months. I'm good with my 77 inch oled for now.
For movies hands down I prefer the natural colors and cinematic experience that you can achieve with a projector, I believe there will allways be ust projectors on the market
To me large TV's (80" and up) are a hassle and an eye sore if your not watching tv . I have a Formovie Theater UST with a retractable screen and it does great in daylight. I just love the fact that I don't have to look at a giant tv hanging on the wall when not in use.
That’s one of the reasons I’m starting to lean towards ust projector with a rising screen. My big 85 inch tv sticks out so much when not in use. I can only imagine a 100 inch plus tv.
Have you considered using one as a kind of art gallery slide show, or like a window into another world? I don't have any large screens, just my phone and laptop, but can imagine it might be nice to enhance the room with a large screen.
I’m still leaning towards a ust projector with a rising/ hideaway screen for a few reasons. As you mentioned, the pure logistics of handling and installing a 100 inch tv are challenging. Then there’s the fact that a projector with a 120 inch plus screen will be more of an experience than a tv, and way more affordable than the new 115 and 120 inch tvs that were just announced. Finally, in a mixed use room I think a huge 100 inch plus tv will be a huge eyesore when not on. Heck, my 85 inch tv is. I won’t have to worry about that with a floor rising projector screen. Of course my last point won’t matter to you if you have a dedicated theater room.
Problem with 120 - 130" TV is how to deliver something of such size. It's really tricky. If they had some retractable, foldable TV is might work, but at what price .
LG had, and maybe still have, the absolutely stunning Signature OLED R. It rolled down into its nice base when not in use. But it cost over $100k. And I think it was only 65 inches.
Here's my ONE CENT: UST's are SUPER PORTABLe, easy to move between rooms and places. Take it to hotel, forest or hike or trek. You're sorted. Good on EYES. Reflected diffused lighting provides comfort and safety to our eyes and also lets you watch longer or more movies without eye fatigue. With a white or slightly Grey wall, one can get an image size of upto 150 inches. Actually if it's 4k projector it can done upto 180 inches without perceptible loss of pictire quality. It works in small rooms, no nailing, no pro installation required if the wall is even decently flat and slightly clean. All you need ia empty wall. That's ALL. UST's have even more advantages. Except for the true black which is actually imperceptible when scenes start to become vibrant and bright. Cuz the amount of time we see black in a movie is very less (except horror movies). So deep blacks don't go beypnd your black HDR demo videos. As a pro even I got aucked into that literal "blackhole Pixel nonsense". I can add even more. Lemme make a video and put it up.
TVs have a major drawback in that they are fixed format displays and as result are not able to handle different aspect ratios, especially important when it comes to movie watching. With a projector you can use the zoom function to create a truly cinematic experience on films shot in the scope format by getting rid of the dreaded black bars.
If you zoom in or out you're now not filling your projection screen correctly. Are you going to have multiple screens that you swap in depending on the aspect ratio?
@@ItsEverythingElse No, of course not. There are screens which will automatically mask to the correct format. These are very expensive, though. The point I was trying to make is that with a fixed panel display you are stuck with the 16:9 format. I personally prefer to go down the CIH path (constant image height) and would rather have black bars/masking on the sides with 16:9 material and the full picture when projecting films shot in CinemaScope. The latter is also not ideal, because by zooming in you are basically overshooting and need to use the projector's masking to hide the part of the panel not being displayed. Alternatively a panamorph lens can be used, but these are prohibitively expensive. In short, when it comes to the handling of aspect ratios projectors are more flexible but not perfect as you always need to compromise. If what you watch is mainly 16:9 material then TVs are the obvious choice.
That's still only for the premium projectors like the higher end Epsons, Sony, and JVC. None of the DLP's do that I believe. That's why it's best to have screen blocking or just have a 16x9 screen.
Dream on you can't buy a 150 inch regular tv. Projectors are getting cheaper. Tvs may become obsolete as projectors are easier to move and can be recycled.
Been watching your videos a long time. The #1 thing that kept me from getting an UST is due to having kids. Having to reset the projector and calibrate each time they "bump" the entertainment center or UST itself would be frustrating. Additionally, I'd much rather have a 100" LCD.
I have never owned a projector but having owned various TVs over the years, i think large screen TVs are more likely to develop screen defects like Dirty screen effect, banding or some other panel issue over the span of few years (Also obviously , projectors are more durable as larger the TV, larger the risk of cracking it)
@@RobLescaille yeah, i own a TCL 65" c715 and it developed a dark spot on lower edge in about 30months of usage and i own another TCL 55" entry level model and it developed horrific Dirty screen effect in about 18months of use, And i think bigger the screen size, the risk of these defects grows exponentially
There is one thing you're forgetting...blue light. It might not be a factor yet but I expect eye health to become a more important purchase factor in the future.
Can't get a 100inch oled in my dedicated loft so i'm very happy with my jvc projector alternative. Close enough imagewise as well. It all depends on the situation, budget etc...
Not even close.... I can get a solid 120" crispy picture with a projector in the sub $1,000 range. Currently I have a 72" pull down projector screen in place of a TV. Gives me the option to have a clean fire place mantel or giant screen.
I wanted a 85 inches but it would not fit in my stairway. And also, there is a huge window in my back, my last tv was like a mirror for the light of that window.
I was literally debating this topic 2 weeks ago. Noticing the price of LED tvs at the 100 to 85 inch come within the price of what 4k projectors are now (including screen and mounting hardware) it has seriously got me thinking about ditching my BenQ Tk 850. I have a dedicated movie room upstairs but I don't enjoy blacking out the room during the day and the heat and noise reduction would be super nice. For reference my room is 10 x 14 and I'm using a 100" screen with an 8 foot viewing distance to get a 45 deg edge to edge viewing angle.
@@justinbeamon6624 Ambient light isn't an issue as I can completely darken the room. Unfortunately where the window is orientated the sunlight will shine directly on my screen if the window isn't concealed with blackout curtains. I think at this point I'm going to wait until we get to our forever home before I buy a large format TV as we move on average every 3 years.
I want a projector for a 120" or more screen. One great benefit of the projector is that its much smaller and lighter to move, plus you can adjust the size. I can easily fit a projector in my car with a lot of other stuff. I can't even a 50" TV in my car. I want a projector primarily for backyard movie nights on a huge screen.
@@ThaVillaMan That TCL TV costs $20,000.00. Very few People will spend $20,000.00 on a TV. I have a 150 inch Screen in my Home Theater. A 115 inch TV will Not come close to my Home Theater Experience with my 150 inch Screen and my True 4K LG Cinebeam Projector. TVs are Way too Bright to watch in the Dark. TVs are Engineered to be Watched with the Lights on. Projectors are Engineered to be Watched in the Dark. The 2 Technologies are Vastly different. My 75 inch TV is way too Bright 🌞😎 to Watch without having the lights on. People will ruin their vision watching Large Screen TV's in the Dark.
I am a young man and i travel frequently from house to house, perhaps once every 8 months. I love watching large screens for movies with soft lighting on the screen. Tv's that would meet this requirement would need to be 100 inches or more, however this is very heavy... hard to move because of how fragile it is and can break the glass... it's not practical. Also i like moving my tv between rooms, therefore projectors will always be better for someone like me. I have a 50 inch tv that is light weight i can move from room to room carrying by my self and a projector that can go up to 200 inches for movie times.
Brill video. I went from a 120 inch screen from a projector, Optoma UHD65 to a 100 inch Hisense tv. But, the extra 20 inches, is massive. So I purchased a AWOL 3500 pro, with a 160 inch electric drop down screen. You can’t beat that. But it’s nice to have both. Tv in the day, projector in the evening. Until these tv’s at say 120 inch to 150 inch become affordable, I see it’s good at the moment to have both, tv and projector
Thanks for sharing your views. It came at the right time when I was in a dilemma to buy a projector or a TV for my big conference room in office. Thank you🙏
I've heard that only 8k images will look good on a hundred inch tv. And If you want to watch anything below 8k on a hundred inch screen it has to be projected for it to look good. Is there any truth to this?
I'm considering getting a 100-inch screen, but I'm torn between an ultra short throw projector and a TV. My viewing distance is only 8.53 feet, and I'm wondering if the brightness of a TV might be too overwhelming at that size. Would a projector be a better option in this case?
bruh, just get the projector. Tvs can break easily if you ahve guests and or kids, they also can't be moved between rooms easily... they remain the same size.. projectors can be put away when not in use and prevent kids from breaking it...
LCD illumination technology got evolved in the last 2 years... When I was searching for my new TV, the highest local dimming segment count, which I found on the market here, was about 49. And it was about twice the price of OLEDs. Could you name TVs with the mentioned thousands of dimming zones?
Interesting take on the topic Cleveland. I finished editing a video on this subject only yesterday - scheduled but not published - you raised some interesting points, I still think there is a place for them but very dependant on your setup. I'm not a fan of televisions personally - I only watch on projectors now especially for the center speaker to have prominence.
I agree I have a Vava Chroma and there are a handful of reasons why I could see upgrading to a tv as the prices come down. However, if there were a light rejecting screen up to the size of 150” That would hold off any argument for a few more years.
The biggest deterrent that I think will dissuade most people from switching to a tv from a projector is the weight. I know I have zero interest in moving or getting someone to move a 100-200 lb tv, which many of these 100-110 inch tvs weigh that much currently. That's like trying to move a 50 inch CRT
TV's that will be the size of 120 inch to 150inch Ultra Short Throws won't be the price of current line of most affordable UST Projectors $3000-$5000 especially those that come with screens like with Hisense and AWOL won't be at those prices for years at least 4-5 years
Well done! I have been following numerous reviewers for the last four years and I think you covered all the - key points - as I get ready to replace my Sony 285es 4K projector for hopefully a JVC NP5 projector - but with a laser instead of a bulb. Fingers crossed JVC announces it this year?!? Overall, your review is very consistent regarding all the various choices a consumer needs to consider as to what would be the best choice for them. Way to go!
I think the price of a 100” tv makes an UST obsolete unless you’re using it in a minimalist set up where the screen and unit are hidden until needed. If you have a dedicated theater with light control and are doing a 120” and over custom screen build, a projector is still king. When / if they get to a sub 3K 120” tv then I think we have to re think everything especially if logistics aren’t an issue.
While perhaps most consumers don't really care much about it, one area where the large format TVs also excel is also with the high dynamic range and Dolby Vision capabilities as well as much quicker implementation of the higher resolution content, such as 8K. Projectors always lag painfully so far behind in these areas because of the hardware limitations, particularly at a price point. However, in a dedicated home theater, even a 100"-115" TV may not be adequate for a truly immersive cinematic experience. And, something that isn't addressed much because TV sizes large enough to be useful in a dedicated theater is just now happening, the negative effects on audio from a TV screen is a consideration. The horizontal center channel below a large sonically reflective panel is far inferior to the audible sound stage of three identical towers behind an acoustically transparent screen with appropriately designed absorption/diffusion on the front wall. So I'm not convinced large panel TVs will replace front projection systems because those are for a different experience. But they could give the UST market, which competes more directly with TVs than front projectors, a run for the money. Both UST and TV tend to be utilized in multi-function rooms and non-dedicated, non-light controlled HT spaces . There's plenty of room for both though so it is exciting.
Great Video with great insights, i've been looking into both options UST and a TV in the 120 inch range. I do have the room for both and theoretically could squeeze out to 150 inches but 150 might too much for the room. Might have to watch from the neighbors driveway. LOL. I'm a huge gamer (console) and have all the platforms. Was leaning towards a UST but after this i'll take a hard look at some larger TV's as i do agree with you that UST's could lose market share to cheaper large TV's. Unless UST's drop in price as well.
My AWOL LTV 3500 is waaay nicer amd more soothing to look at than my OLED. Once you see a quality UST you will never go back to the flashy reflective LED sceen. The idea with big screens are to have an immersive cinematic expereince not to turn your family room into Times Square. Use your LED's for bedrrooms and offices and your quality UST for you immersive experiences.
well, I might as well add my personal experience. I run my awolvision 3500 on normal. None of the brightness is turned up. None of the contrast is turned up and none of the colors are turned up and the people that come to my house and see my set up are literally blown away, and every one of them said that it is as bright as their television. Of course my room is set up for a projector, but I've already sold projectors to three of my friends who had 80 inch plus LCD televisions or OLED, also something most people don't know that organic light emitting die starts to degrade the very second you use it the first time and accelerated failure tests have shown that most large LCD type televisions are starting to have various series issues, no matter what type of lighting they use it's a matter of fact most of the larger televisions 80+ inches all failed within an accelerated "two year." Period. my projector is extremely quiet. The color is dazzling and I cannot hear it running from 6 feet away so we'll see if your projections come true but I think projectors have a long way to go if you think that televisions are the only thing advancing then you're wrong I saw a demo of a 5000 lm projector last week. That was brighter than any television of any type I've ever seen with better color saturation and a 25,000 hour lifespan on the lasers what I think you'll see is a joint advancement and projectors and televisions, and it will be a raced to the future where projectors will always win for too many reasons to list here today
I own a 98” TV and looked at UST projectors before making my decision. Your points are good, but the decision points for most people is a lot more clear than you make it. 1) Cost: At 98” or less, usually with the TV set on sale like the one you showed in your video, the overwhelming advantage goes to the large TV. These TVs are cost competitive or cheaper than their UST alternatives. 2) Setup: slight advantage to USTs: TVs this size have to be carefully mounted on walls as they are simply too wide to fit on most furniture. For most of us, that is paying for mounting. By contrast, one could mount a screen on their own and calibrate the UST for the screen 3) Versatility: TV. USTs have minimum requirements for distance from the back wall. 4) Connections: TV. TVs offer all the connections you could possibly need. Also, if you have an existing surround system with a center channel, the UST is in the way. Yes USTs, come with speakers, but they hardly compare with good center channels. Overall, I think anyone looking for a screen size of 98” or less will probably be best served with a TV. It works in more environments in terms of lighting, etc. Over 98”, the nod goes to USTs. Yes, TCL is coming out with a 115” TV this year, but no one expects it to be anywhere close to the price of a 98” TV. The price drop on these big TVs has been nothing short of stunning
Idk all I know I have a normal projector and my screen size is 250 inches when I tell you watching movies on it or whatching TV shows or playing games on it is way better than doing any of that on my 75 inch tv
@@allanwillwerth7166 And I would not disagree with you. I went from a 65” OLED to my 98” TV. Is the picture as good as the OLED? No. But the picture is not bad and the added screen size more than makes up for any loss in screen resolution. II said that TVs work best for most people at 98” and smaller. Above 100”, the advantages clearly go to projectors. What is striking is that just a year ago, the discounts you saw on the larger TVs was at 65”. Sales on TVs larger than that were few (if any). Now we are seeing major discounts on 98” TVs! Wild!!!!
To me a projector is better than a big TV for these reasons: 1. A giant black rectangle (TV) looks tacky and dominates the room when not in use. A retractable projector screen looks better but even a still frame projector screen looks better because it's white and not black 2. With a projector, you can reduce the size of the screen if you want. For example you can watch movies at 120" but game at 55" 3. With a projector, you can use an acoustically transparent screen allowing you to have the center channel speaker right behind the screen. This makes the sound come directly from the screen rather than below the screen or above the screen which sounds more natural. 4. With a projector, it is easier to transport when you move and a lot easier to repair yourself or send in for repair if you need to.
Din't Mitsubishi had a big lazer tv to compete with those DLP TVs? They were only available in the USA, i begged Mitsubishi to import them in Europe, but they din't wont to do that. +100 inch LCD TVs for $2000 with a lot of blooming, a not that great picture, blue light, need 2 people to place such tv, those who are living in an apartment, can get it up to the floor were they living, not to mention the high energy consumption of such TVs.
OLED may have better black levels however none this matters ...during day even on low light, curtain shut OLED is like a mirror. Nice seeing reflection of u sitting in the film. Also even in dark the OLED makes the room bright ....so again u have room Reflecting into your glass mirror.
Dont forget projectors are cheaper now, due competition between brands and technologies ( lamp, led and laser light sources ). I have a 4k tv on living room. In my bedroom, a simple Epson full hd fills the whole wall in front of the bed. For $400 only I have the world on my wall. I use a Roku stick conected to the pj. The lamp is $67 and lasts years. Im waiting for laser tecnology geting cheaper, like $600-800 so I can jump. The dark room, movie-theater atmosphere is very pleasant.
My viewsonic px727-4k ran me 479$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ it can go up to 300 though. Bulbs are a little pricey but they last 2 years. When my bulb finally blew I bought 2 so I'm good for the next 4 and even with that I'm still making out cheaper than if I bought a large format TV. Even spending 250-300 every four years it's still a deal because you figure every 5-8 you're gonna have to replace your TV anyway.
Projectors can be versatile and moved from room to room, though a 100 inch tv may be difficult to manoeuvre even in an allocated room, they both have their plus and minuses plus UST projectors are getting better and better each year also , I think there’s room for tvs and home cinema projectors in the market for many years ahead
I love your content, been a subscriber for several years...My space will not accommodate a projector. Currently have a Samsung 65" (UN65MU800F). When I upgrade I will buy one of the 100"+ Mini LED's...
Great video! I got my first OLED (C2 83") when they came out in 2022. For the same original price i can get the AWOL 150" UHD ust package with the cabinet and motorized screen lift... glad i didn't have to pick between the two. Need more USTs that support HDR10+ & Atmos.
One more comment: the calibration out of the box for my TCL TV was horrible. Highly recommend checking UA-cam for setting recommendations. Makes a big difference!!!
I have no screens except for my 17" 1080P laptop, but very interested to get a large curve monitor (might do sim racing) for multitasking and casual YT viewing, and a large "TV" for on the wall, to enjoy walking around and hanging on the couch. The miniLEDs in the store look pretty epic to my noob eyes. The resolutions are quite impressive. Do people use those to swaitch up the work flow, have multiple screens, do writing from the couch with longer focal point view, that sort of thing? Is casting from phone or laptop convenient nowadays, or still plug in hell?
A report came out today regarding projector lamps and also LED TVs. Many of these lamps will no longer be in production within the year 2025. The system wants everyone to change to laser projectors. The big question is what will you do when the laser system in the projector is slowly degrading and when it finally does fully degrade how would you replace this. This will also mean that will be dead weight because the laser projector will not be able to change the the light system in this case the laser .
It doesn't really degrade typically. If it does it's not a noticeable amount like a bulb. But yah, if you're running a typical bulb projector let's say Eco mode, that's probably around 4 or 5 bulb changes for the life of a laser or LED projector. If it's 4 hours every single day, then that's around 13 years. Very, very few people keep a projector or TV that long. That's for 20,000 hours.
@@justinbeamon6624 I work in schools. When I first started, like in 2009, bulb changes were a frequent thing. Must have been 2013, 2014, never had to get a bulb change again. I worked at a school for a year, used the projector eight hours straight everyday. Never had to change the bulb. The same school has the same projectors and I'll be damned if it's a new bulb in them. I doubt it. Another school I work at has laser projectors and they are freaking amazing. Love them, watch videos on them when I'm not working.
Front throw projectors are eye friendly. 0.65" dlp RGB laser projector is on the way coming to replace the current 0.47". Mini LCD tv eats stars and glares caused by their local dimming nature. For most houses, a 150" TV is impossible to move in unless you break the door. The real future of display is true LED TV. RGB led displays directly same as OLED. It has a long way to go.
oh my my DLP nightmares I bought 365 inch Samsung DLP televisions just before circuit city went out of business. None of them lasted more than two years. They started showing the white dots from the mirror failures. It was one of the things that worried me about buying this awolvision projector but it's lasers and not an intense hot light so everything runs cooler. I'm hoping that it will last longer DLP's are notorious for failures because of the thousands of times per second the mirrors have to move luckily they're almost massless. They weigh very little so inertia doesn't damage them too much but stillthere's always the fact that everyone of those mirrors has to function or you'll end up with a white dot on your screen I'm wondering if it will be the same with a laser system. If there starts to be failures I'm running an awolvision LTV 3500 pro
I prefer projectors. They are portable. I cant carry a 120” television with me when im on the go. I can size the image to whatever i decide i want to have as my viewing space. Both tv and projector markets complement each other.
Projectors arent going anywhere anytime soon. I got my viewsonic 4K pxp 727 for under 500$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ inches in my living room and I just need a bigger room for a bigger image (it can go up to 300") TVs wont be catching up to that size at that price anytime soon.
I was thinking about this last week. With such big tvs for the same price as an ultra short throw could this be the beginning of the end for them. I’m sure the tcl sold a lot of tvs at that price and at that price something people won’t return
98" ain't shit. My viewsonic px727-4k can go up to 300" and it only cost me 479$ refurbished. USTs are just going to get bigger and they will probably do so faster than the large format TVs can keep up. Not to mention practicality at a certain point you won't be able to get a large TV through the average front door. A projector fits in a backpack.
Where are the 120"+ Flexible Micro-LED or OLED's that I can hang from the ceiling and roll up out of the way like a projector screen? Haven't even seen a prototype of that. That's what I want. That would solve the shipping weight and size constraints of such large displays, and free up your wall space when not in use. I realize it would be insanely expensive at the moment, but somebody needs to start developing it.
@@jerometruitt2731 5K would actually be reasonable. I'd pay that. I'm sure it will be closer to $20K. My point is though, where are the prototypes? I've only seen a few small TV's that roll up, but they took a huge footprint of floor space.
If they adjust/ lower the prices of UST projectors or any projector for that matter without compromising on quality they should be okay. And of course lower prices on screens. Keep up with the technology , R & D will make the difference as well.
Interesting video: I currently have a 125" screen that I project onto from a Panasonic projector. The Panasonic can put out a superb picture and differences in source quality are quite apparent (I use an OPPO top of the Line BD205 player, alas no longer available). However, the Panasonic projector has a lamp and over time that lamp will dim and change the color, contrast, and black levels. in addition, I have to constantly be concerned about exact focus and ensuring the image fits the screen from corner-to-corner without keystone effects. And of course, I can't view my projector in ambient light (not that I really want to) if I wanted to. So obviously with a projector there are gotchas. I also have a 70" flat panel that can put out a spectacular image as well, but it's not film-like as the projector can be. However, though I prefer to watch movies in the larger format of my 125" screen using my Panasonic projector (3D is not important to me), I also can enjoy movies viewed on my 70" flat panel. So I can forgo the film-like quality if I could get a flat-panel of at least 120" (I don't mind losing 5" on viewing area) that could put out a color-accurate picture with really deep black levels and great contrast and clarity. The HiSense and TCL models you mention are very interesting and I will be looking forward to learning about them in 2024. It would be great if you could do a review of such models when and if possible. You raised some valid points about size vs value, so these forthcoming large flat-panels should be really interesting. Thanks!
epson home cinema 2350 And a brightness of 2800 ansi lumens. HDR 10 Screen 40 to 300 and up to 500 inches in a dark environment. And I own one and love it. 1200 But a much better buy than buying a 85-in TV for the same price.
The bad cheap projectors, yes. But many new projectors have incredible HDR and great picture now. At the same time, I would still buy a 98 inch TV with their prices. 120 inch and more then I would choose a projector.
I am totally looking forward to larger TVs I have a 77 inch OLED and I want at least a 100 inches. I think LEDs, mini-LED and OLEDs are moving into the projection space. Last years mini-LEDs were awesome!
@tHAvIlLaMaN well when u goto the theater your viewing angle is like 50-60 degrees on average and @ 100 inches to achieve that you would need to sit stupidly close which cancels out proper surround sound layout, ive tried sitting close to a tv to achieve large viewing angles and its just not the same. Not as engulfing. When micri leds in the 120-150 ramge are affordable I'll definitely upgrade but for now 100 inches just doesn't do it, not to mention centre channel placement behind the screen is crucial to reproducing good cinema sound
Sorry I can't see myself spending anywhere from $5,000 all the way up to $220,000 for a TV but I can see myself spending maybe $2,000 - $3,000 on a ultra short throw projector
Nope. Not until they can get to at least 130 inches and figure out how to do true acoustically transparent sound. Plus, a TV that big would be really hard to get in the house, install, service and replace. Not to mention the incredible heat they would create in the room. Lastly, they're just not cinematic like a projector reflecting off a screen.
Wouldn’t your center channel sound be more and more disjoint? Farther from where the voice should be coming from…the bigger the screen gets. Advantage acoustically transparent screen… I guess it’s all preference. ❤
That’s true, especially with most processors/receiver. I experienced that with my Denon, but the Trinnov eliminated that issue. Center channel placement constraints is a real downside though
What we need is a 120" Dolby Vision MiniLED or OLED for around $3000, without any speakers, or smart features. Most people will add a streaming media player or a 4K disk or HDD player to it.
Anyone saying projectoes are dead is just clueless and has no idea how a projector room with total light and reflection control and a highend jvc looks like. Your puny 16:9 cannot compare to a 150 diag SCOPE screen...its laughable
A DLP projector gives movies that "special look" that you just cannot replicate with anything else. I have a 4K Projector in my living room with a 150inch screen and a 77inch oled. I will probably not go larger for a normal tv. i also watch retro series, game on older consoles etc on that screen. That looks hidious in the beamer or larger screens. I dont have the need to watch everything on 150inch :)
A short throw projector is best for me since I move a lot. Moving a big TV 🤦♂️....it's just a mater of time before the movers break it 😞. When I get my own place...maybe then I'll buy a TV.....maybe.
Personally can't stand having a huge black rectangle engulfing and taking over my living room when it's off. I bought a 65 in TV and regretted it. Would rather have a 100in image and a clean space.
JVC / Sony fan noise in “high-mode” in its current laser projectors is a serious issue! So much so, it caused me to delay my purchase to replace my current 2018 Sony 285es. Rated 26db-ish in low mode with no mention of what it is high mode. But now we know . . . it’s typically DOUBLE: 45 to 50db or more. That is way too loud for a dedicated theatre room space. My 285es fan is lower and acceptable in high mode so I fail to understand why this can’t be done for laser fan projectors. I expect there will be a refresh of Sony and JVC’s projectors this year at CEDIA? I am “hoping” this issue gets fixed . . . along with other issues that other vloggers have mentioned over the past two years.
Nothing ends. Which one will win, it depends. It depends which tech manage to drive down price faster for the size, features. But long term, large displays will slowly decline vs micro OLED glasses. Old people will not get this but younger generation will, think earphones/headphones but for the eyes.
The timing of this video is spot on. Definitely a hot topic of late that's on a lot of people's mind's. Always love your videos Cleveland. Excited to see you hit 100K subscribers this year!
Thanks! Loved your video on the topic as well
This is so funny - I saw your video this morning - i finished editing a video on topic (of UST) yesterday but I'm a bit of a fan of USTs so my views are a little on the pro side.
Haha really? I have to go check it out
I havent published it yet - scheduled for Thursday, and only about USTs vs long throw - no mention of TVs but funny to see random publishing of the topic.. My video took me about 2 weeks to make due to work and too much b-roll filming... @@ThaVillaMan
Ahh, gotcha. I know oh too well about how long some of these videos can take to produce. I’ll keep an eye out for it!
When I bought my new house the decision was simple for me. I sit 12 ft away and picked up a 120” screen with UST Awol. It is perfect for the distance. If I couldn’t go at least 120, I would have picked up a 100” TCL for $2k. But those extra 20” make a massive difference. A few things come into play here for considerations. If I were to buy the 100 inch TV things would be easier, the contrast and blacks would be better, and better for brighter, viewing environments. Less to calibrate, more set it and forget it type of thing. However, you are left with a massive screen stuck on your wall, it would not play 3-D movies - I have over 100 of those and they are simply stunning and better experience IMO than in the theaters with the AWOL 3500, the screen size would have me wanting more, and I would most likely pick up a five-year warranty on the TV because of TCL track record. I use a floor rising screen with the UST and display a nice gallery print on my wall so the TV does not take over the entire living room space. If you have a dedicated theater room, then a fixed screen is fine. Another good point on the logistics - some people simply are not going to be able to navigate a massive box down a flight of stairs. Now to price. The TCL 115 inch just announced and high sense 119 inch just announced at CES will both cost close to $20,000. A 120” UST $1000 - 5000. That’s quite a difference. So considering price, size of your space, and how immersive you want the experience to be - those will be the determining factors.
3D IS AN DEAL breaker. ITS DUMB THAT THESE SMART TV GUYS REMOVE 3D. THEY STILL MAKE 3D MOVIES 🤔 I STILL OWN TWO 3D TVs
The first thing is these TVs don't have 3D we're most projectors do and that's important to me. Plus you don't get the same feel as you do with a projector. I've got both in the same room
@@davidmckee2898 thank you for your comment , I’ve been saying this for a long time.
Exactly, I went UST because of 3d, or the lack of it in tvs
At 1:00 there are some sound problems. Seems that 2 tracks are overlapping.
I know. Dunno how I missed it 🤦🏾♂️
Every body seems to forget refelections from TV, hate i can see my own mirror image looking on LCD or OLED screens. Projector picture do not have reflections...
What was fantastic about my ust projector was when I had a problem, I boxed it up and sent it away for a new lens and had it sent back in a week.
Imagine having to take down your 100-inch TV to be sent away or to be fixed in the home. What a nightmare.
Plus with a projector screen, no ugly cables, or having to feed your cables through a wall. Projector all the way for me.
I mentioned this in a few other videos for some of the big AV creators in this space and everyone of them was like "yeah thats a good point" and didn't think of that.
I don't think people realize when you get a cartoonishly big TV you are married to that thing. I mean think about it. We are AV nerds and like to upgrade our stuff especially displays and what are you going to do with a 100" when it becomes obsolete? You can't sell it, no one is going to buy that on the used market. You'd have give it away or even pay someone to take it if it's too old. You can't even throw TVs out that big. You gotta hire someone to get it. I can't even imagine the hassle if that thing broke.
My problem is that the only wall I have a window behind the screen when I want the large screen experience and i dont want to build a mount that hinges up to store the tv against the ceiling.
Just bought an Epson long throw LS12000 for my dedicated theater… it’s incredibly bright, it replaced my Sony 900E TV which was a very bright TV… the Epson at the end of the day was a no brainer I blackened out the room, and feel the same brightness I had with the TV. There’s just something about a projector that gives that cinematic and natural feel… I think I’ll miss that one day, looking up and seeing the light beam from time to time.
I love the epson home cinema 2350.
It has a smart card in it. So you don't need a DVD or Blu-ray player.
It has Bluetooth. Which is convenient.
The screen sizes are nice. I can use it anywhere.
Spec are 40 to 300
And up to 500 inches. But would have to be a dark environment.
One more thing. When I use older formats. Laserdisc. They look incredible good. Which is something most TVs can't reproduce the same.
Because of cheap components.
he he ...... probably my next upgrade. The JVC NZ7 or NZ8 are out of my budget
@@diamond4829 it’s a great projector I really love it.
Ya ..... I managed to get an insane deal on an LS12000 with 280 hour on it with a 135 inch screen. It's amazing ❤
For movies, I prefer the soft, natural reflected light of a projected image. For gaming, OLED is my preference.
Agreed, with some of the mediocre digital effects we have on movies and tv today,
my epson ub projector is way nicer to look at than my oled.
I just realized this as well. Still conflicted. I can't watch a projector after getting COVID because I get motion sickness. It's wearing off SLOWLY thank God but it's taking months. I'm good with my 77 inch oled for now.
True but ain't nothing like playing a racing or flight game in 100in
For movies hands down I prefer the natural colors and cinematic experience that you can achieve with a projector, I believe there will allways be ust projectors on the market
Are there ways to enhance/dim the TV's output (or the digital input) to mimic the projector screen to a degree?
To me large TV's (80" and up) are a hassle and an eye sore if your not watching tv . I have a Formovie Theater UST with a retractable screen and it does great in daylight. I just love the fact that I don't have to look at a giant tv hanging on the wall when not in use.
That’s one of the reasons I’m starting to lean towards ust projector with a rising screen. My big 85 inch tv sticks out so much when not in use. I can only imagine a 100 inch plus tv.
I haaaate having a huge 65in black rectangle sitting in my living room.
Have you considered using one as a kind of art gallery slide show, or like a window into another world? I don't have any large screens, just my phone and laptop, but can imagine it might be nice to enhance the room with a large screen.
I’m thinking of getting the same
Ur opinion regarding that projector...is it gd than nexigo pro or AWOL 3500...plz do reply❤
I’m still leaning towards a ust projector with a rising/ hideaway screen for a few reasons. As you mentioned, the pure logistics of handling and installing a 100 inch tv are challenging. Then there’s the fact that a projector with a 120 inch plus screen will be more of an experience than a tv, and way more affordable than the new 115 and 120 inch tvs that were just announced. Finally, in a mixed use room I think a huge 100 inch plus tv will be a huge eyesore when not on. Heck, my 85 inch tv is. I won’t have to worry about that with a floor rising projector screen. Of course my last point won’t matter to you if you have a dedicated theater room.
Problem with 120 - 130" TV is how to deliver something of such size. It's really tricky. If they had some retractable, foldable TV is might work, but at what price .
LG had, and maybe still have, the absolutely stunning Signature OLED R. It rolled down into its nice base when not in use. But it cost over $100k. And I think it was only 65 inches.
Here's my ONE CENT:
UST's are SUPER PORTABLe, easy to move between rooms and places. Take it to hotel, forest or hike or trek. You're sorted.
Good on EYES. Reflected diffused lighting provides comfort and safety to our eyes and also lets you watch longer or more movies without eye fatigue.
With a white or slightly Grey wall, one can get an image size of upto 150 inches. Actually if it's 4k projector it can done upto 180 inches without perceptible loss of pictire quality. It works in small rooms, no nailing, no pro installation required if the wall is even decently flat and slightly clean. All you need ia empty wall. That's ALL.
UST's have even more advantages. Except for the true black which is actually imperceptible when scenes start to become vibrant and bright. Cuz the amount of time we see black in a movie is very less (except horror movies).
So deep blacks don't go beypnd your black HDR demo videos. As a pro even I got aucked into that literal "blackhole Pixel nonsense".
I can add even more. Lemme make a video and put it up.
Mine is on a bare wall too. I'm gonna paint the section with black chalkboard and magnetic paint after I smooth it out a bit and see how it looks.
PROJECTORS WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE! I LOVE MY THEATER!
TVs have a major drawback in that they are fixed format displays and as result are not able to handle different aspect ratios, especially important when it comes to movie watching. With a projector you can use the zoom function to create a truly cinematic experience on films shot in the scope format by getting rid of the dreaded black bars.
If you zoom in or out you're now not filling your projection screen correctly. Are you going to have multiple screens that you swap in depending on the aspect ratio?
@@ItsEverythingElse No, of course not. There are screens which will automatically mask to the correct format. These are very expensive, though. The point I was trying to make is that with a fixed panel display you are stuck with the 16:9 format. I personally prefer to go down the CIH path (constant image height) and would rather have black bars/masking on the sides with 16:9 material and the full picture when projecting films shot in CinemaScope. The latter is also not ideal, because by zooming in you are basically overshooting and need to use the projector's masking to hide the part of the panel not being displayed. Alternatively a panamorph lens can be used, but these are prohibitively expensive. In short, when it comes to the handling of aspect ratios projectors are more flexible but not perfect as you always need to compromise. If what you watch is mainly 16:9 material then TVs are the obvious choice.
That's still only for the premium projectors like the higher end Epsons, Sony, and JVC. None of the DLP's do that I believe. That's why it's best to have screen blocking or just have a 16x9 screen.
Dream on you can't buy a 150 inch regular tv. Projectors are getting cheaper. Tvs may become obsolete as projectors are easier to move and can be recycled.
100” plus tvs are unmanageable. Projectors don’t take up space.
Been watching your videos a long time. The #1 thing that kept me from getting an UST is due to having kids. Having to reset the projector and calibrate each time they "bump" the entertainment center or UST itself would be frustrating. Additionally, I'd much rather have a 100" LCD.
Good point!
Lol I work at UST, I got caught off guard.
It’s annoying having my children bumping my UST, however it’s a quick fix when they mess it up. You don’t need to calibrate
I have never owned a projector but having owned various TVs over the years, i think large screen TVs are more likely to develop screen defects like Dirty screen effect, banding or some other panel issue over the span of few years (Also obviously , projectors are more durable as larger the TV, larger the risk of cracking it)
Was thinking the same thing with regard to DSE, especially with TCL and Hisense.
@@RobLescaille yeah, i own a TCL 65" c715 and it developed a dark spot on lower edge in about 30months of usage and i own another TCL 55" entry level model and it developed horrific Dirty screen effect in about 18months of use, And i think bigger the screen size, the risk of these defects grows exponentially
There is one thing you're forgetting...blue light. It might not be a factor yet but I expect eye health to become a more important purchase factor in the future.
So? It's better have. Tv or projector for the eyes can you clarify please?
@@El_Hoy_BTC Projector is better, the light is not direct from behind the screen but projected onto the screen. For me it is much less tiring too.
@@mrjellow oh okay, good to know, thanks!!
Can't get a 100inch oled in my dedicated loft so i'm very happy with my jvc projector alternative. Close enough imagewise as well. It all depends on the situation, budget etc...
Not even close.... I can get a solid 120" crispy picture with a projector in the sub $1,000 range. Currently I have a 72" pull down projector screen in place of a TV. Gives me the option to have a clean fire place mantel or giant screen.
Which projector do you have just curious?
I wanted a 85 inches but it would not fit in my stairway. And also, there is a huge window in my back, my last tv was like a mirror for the light of that window.
I was literally debating this topic 2 weeks ago. Noticing the price of LED tvs at the 100 to 85 inch come within the price of what 4k projectors are now (including screen and mounting hardware) it has seriously got me thinking about ditching my BenQ Tk 850. I have a dedicated movie room upstairs but I don't enjoy blacking out the room during the day and the heat and noise reduction would be super nice. For reference my room is 10 x 14 and I'm using a 100" screen with an 8 foot viewing distance to get a 45 deg edge to edge viewing angle.
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I use mine inside. And outside.epson home cinema 2350
Inside I gave a 100inch screen
Out back
12 feet tall by 24 feet wide
You ever considered an ALR screen? But yah I understand your point.
@@justinbeamon6624 Ambient light isn't an issue as I can completely darken the room. Unfortunately where the window is orientated the sunlight will shine directly on my screen if the window isn't concealed with blackout curtains. I think at this point I'm going to wait until we get to our forever home before I buy a large format TV as we move on average every 3 years.
I want a projector for a 120" or more screen. One great benefit of the projector is that its much smaller and lighter to move, plus you can adjust the size. I can easily fit a projector in my car with a lot of other stuff. I can't even a 50" TV in my car.
I want a projector primarily for backyard movie nights on a huge screen.
Very excited, how are you going to do with your new room, new space. Please give us great videos as ever. Peace.
Well, thing is - 98" does not mark the end for USTs. I have the "Samsung The Premiere" at 120", and it replaces going to the movie theater.
There’s going to be a 115” TCL this year. How would you feel about that?
My veiwsonic goes upto 300" but I can only get 130"+ in my living room.
@@ThaVillaMan
That TCL TV costs $20,000.00. Very few People will spend $20,000.00 on a TV.
I have a 150 inch Screen in my Home Theater.
A 115 inch TV will Not come close to my Home Theater Experience with my 150 inch Screen and my True 4K LG Cinebeam Projector.
TVs are Way too Bright to watch in the Dark. TVs are Engineered to be Watched with the Lights on. Projectors are Engineered to be Watched in the Dark. The 2 Technologies are Vastly different.
My 75 inch TV is way too Bright 🌞😎 to Watch without having the lights on. People will ruin their vision watching Large Screen TV's in the Dark.
If you ate buying anytv bigger than 80 imches you are special its just better and easier to buy a projector
I am a young man and i travel frequently from house to house, perhaps once every 8 months. I love watching large screens for movies with soft lighting on the screen. Tv's that would meet this requirement would need to be 100 inches or more, however this is very heavy... hard to move because of how fragile it is and can break the glass... it's not practical. Also i like moving my tv between rooms, therefore projectors will always be better for someone like me. I have a 50 inch tv that is light weight i can move from room to room carrying by my self and a projector that can go up to 200 inches for movie times.
Brill video. I went from a 120 inch screen from a projector, Optoma UHD65 to a 100 inch Hisense tv. But, the extra 20 inches, is massive. So I purchased a AWOL 3500 pro, with a 160 inch electric drop down screen. You can’t beat that. But it’s nice to have both. Tv in the day, projector in the evening. Until these tv’s at say 120 inch to 150 inch become affordable, I see it’s good at the moment to have both, tv and projector
Thanks for sharing your views. It came at the right time when I was in a dilemma to buy a projector or a TV for my big conference room in office. Thank you🙏
I've heard that only 8k images will look good on a hundred inch tv. And If you want to watch anything below 8k on a hundred inch screen it has to be projected for it to look good. Is there any truth to this?
I have a epson ls11000 paired with a 100 inch screen innovations light reflecting screen. Amd a 77 inch lg for the family room. I'm good
I'm considering getting a 100-inch screen, but I'm torn between an ultra short throw projector and a TV. My viewing distance is only 8.53 feet, and I'm wondering if the brightness of a TV might be too overwhelming at that size. Would a projector be a better option in this case?
bruh, just get the projector. Tvs can break easily if you ahve guests and or kids, they also can't be moved between rooms easily... they remain the same size.. projectors can be put away when not in use and prevent kids from breaking it...
LCD illumination technology got evolved in the last 2 years...
When I was searching for my new TV, the highest local dimming segment count, which I found on the market here, was about 49.
And it was about twice the price of OLEDs.
Could you name TVs with the mentioned thousands of dimming zones?
Interesting take on the topic Cleveland. I finished editing a video on this subject only yesterday - scheduled but not published - you raised some interesting points, I still think there is a place for them but very dependant on your setup. I'm not a fan of televisions personally - I only watch on projectors now especially for the center speaker to have prominence.
I agree I have a Vava Chroma and there are a handful of reasons why I could see upgrading to a tv as the prices come down. However, if there were a light rejecting screen up to the size of 150” That would hold off any argument for a few more years.
The biggest deterrent that I think will dissuade most people from switching to a tv from a projector is the weight. I know I have zero interest in moving or getting someone to move a 100-200 lb tv, which many of these 100-110 inch tvs weigh that much currently. That's like trying to move a 50 inch CRT
TV's that will be the size of 120 inch to 150inch Ultra Short Throws won't be the price of current line of most affordable UST Projectors $3000-$5000 especially those that come with screens like with Hisense and AWOL won't be at those prices for years at least 4-5 years
Well done! I have been following numerous reviewers for the last four years and I think you covered all the - key points - as I get ready to replace my Sony 285es 4K projector for hopefully a JVC NP5 projector - but with a laser instead of a bulb. Fingers crossed JVC announces it this year?!? Overall, your review is very consistent regarding all the various choices a consumer needs to consider as to what would be the best choice for them. Way to go!
I think the price of a 100” tv makes an UST obsolete unless you’re using it in a minimalist set up where the screen and unit are hidden until needed. If you have a dedicated theater with light control and are doing a 120” and over custom screen build, a projector is still king. When / if they get to a sub 3K 120” tv then I think we have to re think everything especially if logistics aren’t an issue.
Congrats on the new space. I’m looking forward to the upcoming tour & TV reviews!
While perhaps most consumers don't really care much about it, one area where the large format TVs also excel is also with the high dynamic range and Dolby Vision capabilities as well as much quicker implementation of the higher resolution content, such as 8K. Projectors always lag painfully so far behind in these areas because of the hardware limitations, particularly at a price point.
However, in a dedicated home theater, even a 100"-115" TV may not be adequate for a truly immersive cinematic experience. And, something that isn't addressed much because TV sizes large enough to be useful in a dedicated theater is just now happening, the negative effects on audio from a TV screen is a consideration. The horizontal center channel below a large sonically reflective panel is far inferior to the audible sound stage of three identical towers behind an acoustically transparent screen with appropriately designed absorption/diffusion on the front wall.
So I'm not convinced large panel TVs will replace front projection systems because those are for a different experience. But they could give the UST market, which competes more directly with TVs than front projectors, a run for the money. Both UST and TV tend to be utilized in multi-function rooms and non-dedicated, non-light controlled HT spaces . There's plenty of room for both though so it is exciting.
I out my laser projector up on EBay last Friday after I watched a movie on the Apple Vision Pro on a 150 FOOT Screen!!!!
Great Video with great insights, i've been looking into both options UST and a TV in the 120 inch range. I do have the room for both and theoretically could squeeze out to 150 inches but 150 might too much for the room. Might have to watch from the neighbors driveway. LOL. I'm a huge gamer (console) and have all the platforms. Was leaning towards a UST but after this i'll take a hard look at some larger TV's as i do agree with you that UST's could lose market share to cheaper large TV's. Unless UST's drop in price as well.
My AWOL LTV 3500 is waaay nicer amd more soothing to look at than my OLED. Once you see a quality UST you will never go back to the flashy reflective LED sceen. The idea with big screens are to have an immersive cinematic expereince not to turn your family room into Times Square. Use your LED's for bedrrooms and offices and your quality UST for you immersive experiences.
I agree the AWOL projectors are really nice, but HDR on a equally high end OLED is phenomenal
well, I might as well add my personal experience. I run my awolvision 3500 on normal. None of the brightness is turned up. None of the contrast is turned up and none of the colors are turned up and the people that come to my house and see my set up are literally blown away, and every one of them said that it is as bright as their television. Of course my room is set up for a projector, but I've already sold projectors to three of my friends who had 80 inch plus LCD televisions or OLED, also something most people don't know that organic light emitting die starts to degrade the very second you use it the first time and accelerated failure tests have shown that most large LCD type televisions are starting to have various series issues, no matter what type of lighting they use it's a matter of fact most of the larger televisions 80+ inches all failed within an accelerated "two year." Period. my projector is extremely quiet. The color is dazzling and I cannot hear it running from 6 feet away so we'll see if your projections come true but I think projectors have a long way to go if you think that televisions are the only thing advancing then you're wrong I saw a demo of a 5000 lm projector last week. That was brighter than any television of any type I've ever seen with better color saturation and a 25,000 hour lifespan on the lasers what I think you'll see is a joint advancement and projectors and televisions, and it will be a raced to the future where projectors will always win for too many reasons to list here today
I just upgraded to 135 inches with an LS12000. For me it's amaze balls.
I own a 98” TV and looked at UST projectors before making my decision.
Your points are good, but the decision points for most people is a lot more clear than you make it.
1) Cost: At 98” or less, usually with the TV set on sale like the one you showed in your video, the overwhelming advantage goes to the large TV. These TVs are cost competitive or cheaper than their UST alternatives.
2) Setup: slight advantage to USTs: TVs this size have to be carefully mounted on walls as they are simply too wide to fit on most furniture. For most of us, that is paying for mounting. By contrast, one could mount a screen on their own and calibrate the UST for the screen
3) Versatility: TV. USTs have minimum requirements for distance from the back wall.
4) Connections: TV. TVs offer all the connections you could possibly need. Also, if you have an existing surround system with a center channel, the UST is in the way. Yes USTs, come with speakers, but they hardly compare with good center channels.
Overall, I think anyone looking for a screen size of 98” or less will probably be best served with a TV. It works in more environments in terms of lighting, etc. Over 98”, the nod goes to USTs. Yes, TCL is coming out with a 115” TV this year, but no one expects it to be anywhere close to the price of a 98” TV. The price drop on these big TVs has been nothing short of stunning
Idk all I know I have a normal projector and my screen size is 250 inches when I tell you watching movies on it or whatching TV shows or playing games on it is way better than doing any of that on my 75 inch tv
@@allanwillwerth7166 And I would not disagree with you. I went from a 65” OLED to my 98” TV. Is the picture as good as the OLED? No. But the picture is not bad and the added screen size more than makes up for any loss in screen resolution.
II said that TVs work best for most people at 98” and smaller. Above 100”, the advantages clearly go to projectors. What is striking is that just a year ago, the discounts you saw on the larger TVs was at 65”. Sales on TVs larger than that were few (if any). Now we are seeing major discounts on 98” TVs! Wild!!!!
You can debate all day but there is the EU
Here u can’t sell tvs bigger then 96 inch..
So for people like me ust/laser tvs are hot cakes..
To me a projector is better than a big TV for these reasons:
1. A giant black rectangle (TV) looks tacky and dominates the room when not in use. A retractable projector screen looks better but even a still frame projector screen looks better because it's white and not black
2. With a projector, you can reduce the size of the screen if you want. For example you can watch movies at 120" but game at 55"
3. With a projector, you can use an acoustically transparent screen allowing you to have the center channel speaker right behind the screen. This makes the sound come directly from the screen rather than below the screen or above the screen which sounds more natural.
4. With a projector, it is easier to transport when you move and a lot easier to repair yourself or send in for repair if you need to.
I hope projectors continue trending, they are cheaper, and you can carry and project anywhere.
True words
Yeah you want a 110 inch micro LED if you have a fancy 30 MM LA home with a movie theatre.
At a 150 inches a mini-LED picture quality would be 100 times better. BUT a fool and his money are easily parted.
My thoughts exactly on bigger tv’s. Looking forward to seeing your 100” tv review.
A $1k projector is a lot of inches of crisp hd image. Projector still alive. CES has a lot offered
Welcome back,missed your video's that I enjoy.
Thanks!
Din't Mitsubishi had a big lazer tv to compete with those DLP TVs?
They were only available in the USA, i begged Mitsubishi to import them in Europe, but they din't wont to do that.
+100 inch LCD TVs for $2000 with a lot of blooming, a not that great picture, blue light, need 2 people to place such tv, those who are living in an apartment, can get it up to the floor were they living, not to mention the high energy consumption of such TVs.
OLED may have better black levels however none this matters ...during day even on low light, curtain shut OLED is like a mirror. Nice seeing reflection of u sitting in the film. Also even in dark the OLED makes the room bright ....so again u have room Reflecting into your glass mirror.
Really great topic! I just subscribed. I would pick your brain about more TV’s & projectors!
Dont forget projectors are cheaper now, due competition between brands and technologies ( lamp, led and laser light sources ). I have a 4k tv on living room. In my bedroom, a simple Epson full hd fills the whole wall in front of the bed. For $400 only I have the world on my wall. I use a Roku stick conected to the pj. The lamp is $67 and lasts years. Im waiting for laser tecnology geting cheaper, like $600-800 so I can jump. The dark room, movie-theater atmosphere is very pleasant.
My viewsonic px727-4k ran me 479$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ it can go up to 300 though. Bulbs are a little pricey but they last 2 years. When my bulb finally blew I bought 2 so I'm good for the next 4 and even with that I'm still making out cheaper than if I bought a large format TV. Even spending 250-300 every four years it's still a deal because you figure every 5-8 you're gonna have to replace your TV anyway.
Projectors can be versatile and moved from room to room, though a 100 inch tv may be difficult to manoeuvre even in an allocated room, they both have their plus and minuses plus UST projectors are getting better and better each year also , I think there’s room for tvs and home cinema projectors in the market for many years ahead
I love your content, been a subscriber for several years...My space will not accommodate a projector. Currently have a Samsung 65" (UN65MU800F). When I upgrade I will buy one of the 100"+ Mini LED's...
Great video! I got my first OLED (C2 83") when they came out in 2022. For the same original price i can get the AWOL 150" UHD ust package with the cabinet and motorized screen lift... glad i didn't have to pick between the two. Need more USTs that support HDR10+ & Atmos.
One more comment: the calibration out of the box for my TCL TV was horrible. Highly recommend checking UA-cam for setting recommendations. Makes a big difference!!!
I have no screens except for my 17" 1080P laptop, but very interested to get a large curve monitor (might do sim racing) for multitasking and casual YT viewing, and a large "TV" for on the wall, to enjoy walking around and hanging on the couch.
The miniLEDs in the store look pretty epic to my noob eyes. The resolutions are quite impressive. Do people use those to swaitch up the work flow, have multiple screens, do writing from the couch with longer focal point view, that sort of thing? Is casting from phone or laptop convenient nowadays, or still plug in hell?
A report came out today regarding projector lamps and also LED TVs. Many of these lamps will no longer be in production within the year 2025.
The system wants everyone to change to laser projectors. The big question is what will you do when the laser system in the projector is slowly degrading and when it finally does fully degrade how would you replace this. This will also mean that will be dead weight because the laser projector will not be able to change the the light system in this case the laser .
It doesn't really degrade typically. If it does it's not a noticeable amount like a bulb. But yah, if you're running a typical bulb projector let's say Eco mode, that's probably around 4 or 5 bulb changes for the life of a laser or LED projector. If it's 4 hours every single day, then that's around 13 years. Very, very few people keep a projector or TV that long. That's for 20,000 hours.
@@justinbeamon6624 I work in schools. When I first started, like in 2009, bulb changes were a frequent thing. Must have been 2013, 2014, never had to get a bulb change again. I worked at a school for a year, used the projector eight hours straight everyday. Never had to change the bulb. The same school has the same projectors and I'll be damned if it's a new bulb in them. I doubt it.
Another school I work at has laser projectors and they are freaking amazing. Love them, watch videos on them when I'm not working.
Front throw projectors are eye friendly.
0.65" dlp RGB laser projector is on the way coming to replace the current 0.47".
Mini LCD tv eats stars and glares caused by their local dimming nature.
For most houses, a 150" TV is impossible to move in unless you break the door.
The real future of display is true LED TV. RGB led displays directly same as OLED. It has a long way to go.
oh my my DLP nightmares I bought 365 inch Samsung DLP televisions just before circuit city went out of business. None of them lasted more than two years. They started showing the white dots from the mirror failures. It was one of the things that worried me about buying this awolvision projector but it's lasers and not an intense hot light so everything runs cooler. I'm hoping that it will last longer DLP's are notorious for failures because of the thousands of times per second the mirrors have to move luckily they're almost massless. They weigh very little so inertia doesn't damage them too much but stillthere's always the fact that everyone of those mirrors has to function or you'll end up with a white dot on your screen I'm wondering if it will be the same with a laser system. If there starts to be failures I'm running an awolvision LTV 3500 pro
Who wants a two pound tv on the wall. No thanks. I’ll stick to my ust projector. Plus it goes up to 150 inches
I prefer projectors. They are portable. I cant carry a 120” television with me when im on the go. I can size the image to whatever i decide i want to have as my viewing space. Both tv and projector markets complement each other.
Projectors arent going anywhere anytime soon. I got my viewsonic 4K pxp 727 for under 500$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ inches in my living room and I just need a bigger room for a bigger image (it can go up to 300") TVs wont be catching up to that size at that price anytime soon.
I was thinking about this last week. With such big tvs for the same price as an ultra short throw could this be the beginning of the end for them. I’m sure the tcl sold a lot of tvs at that price and at that price something people won’t return
98" ain't shit. My viewsonic px727-4k can go up to 300" and it only cost me 479$ refurbished. USTs are just going to get bigger and they will probably do so faster than the large format TVs can keep up. Not to mention practicality at a certain point you won't be able to get a large TV through the average front door. A projector fits in a backpack.
JUST PURCHASED THE LG G3 77IN IN SEPT. I ASSUMED MY NEXT TV WOULD BE A LASER TO GET OVER THAT 100IN THRESHOLD BUT NOW IM NOT SO SURE
Where are the 120"+ Flexible Micro-LED or OLED's that I can hang from the ceiling and roll up out of the way like a projector screen? Haven't even seen a prototype of that. That's what I want. That would solve the shipping weight and size constraints of such large displays, and free up your wall space when not in use. I realize it would be insanely expensive at the moment, but somebody needs to start developing it.
Don't exist yet for the general public. If you want one it's gonna be 5K
@@jerometruitt2731 5K would actually be reasonable. I'd pay that. I'm sure it will be closer to $20K. My point is though, where are the prototypes? I've only seen a few small TV's that roll up, but they took a huge footprint of floor space.
If they adjust/ lower the prices of UST projectors or any projector for that matter without compromising on quality they should be okay. And of course lower prices on screens. Keep up with the technology , R & D will make the difference as well.
I'm a holdout for 3D so if I can get a UST that would be my preference.
3D has been dying for a long time, unfortunately
@@ThaVillaMantry 3D films on the Vision Pro. That‘s the real game changer for me.
@@ThaVillaManNot in projection only in TV's
Interesting video: I currently have a 125" screen that I project onto from a Panasonic projector. The Panasonic can put out a superb picture and differences in source quality are quite apparent (I use an OPPO top of the Line BD205 player, alas no longer available). However, the Panasonic projector has a lamp and over time that lamp will dim and change the color, contrast, and black levels. in addition, I have to constantly be concerned about exact focus and ensuring the image fits the screen from corner-to-corner without keystone effects. And of course, I can't view my projector in ambient light (not that I really want to) if I wanted to. So obviously with a projector there are gotchas. I also have a 70" flat panel that can put out a spectacular image as well, but it's not film-like as the projector can be. However, though I prefer to watch movies in the larger format of my 125" screen using my Panasonic projector (3D is not important to me), I also can enjoy movies viewed on my 70" flat panel. So I can forgo the film-like quality if I could get a flat-panel of at least 120" (I don't mind losing 5" on viewing area) that could put out a color-accurate picture with really deep black levels and great contrast and clarity. The HiSense and TCL models you mention are very interesting and I will be looking forward to learning about them in 2024. It would be great if you could do a review of such models when and if possible. You raised some valid points about size vs value, so these forthcoming large flat-panels should be really interesting. Thanks!
Im going to have 85" 4k tv in living room and 125 to 150" 4k laser projector in bedroom
Now.... if only TV's would re-incorporate 3D support for those of us who still love bluray 3D.
Any theater room updates???
I can carry the projector outside to the backyard. I can't and don't want to be carrying a 98" TV to the backyard😂
dim picture and no HDR w projectors? love that 98+ sizes are coming down to such reasonable prices
epson home cinema 2350
And a brightness of 2800 ansi lumens.
HDR 10
Screen 40 to 300 and up to 500 inches in a dark environment.
And I own one and love it. 1200
But a much better buy than buying a 85-in TV for the same price.
The bad cheap projectors, yes. But many new projectors have incredible HDR and great picture now. At the same time, I would still buy a 98 inch TV with their prices. 120 inch and more then I would choose a projector.
I am totally looking forward to larger TVs I have a 77 inch OLED and I want at least a 100 inches. I think LEDs, mini-LED and OLEDs are moving into the projection space. Last years mini-LEDs were awesome!
But really for a true home Theater 100 inch is still way to small
Completely disagree
@tHAvIlLaMaN well when u goto the theater your viewing angle is like 50-60 degrees on average and @ 100 inches to achieve that you would need to sit stupidly close which cancels out proper surround sound layout, ive tried sitting close to a tv to achieve large viewing angles and its just not the same. Not as engulfing. When micri leds in the 120-150 ramge are affordable I'll definitely upgrade but for now 100 inches just doesn't do it, not to mention centre channel placement behind the screen is crucial to reproducing good cinema sound
Sorry I can't see myself spending anywhere from $5,000 all the way up to $220,000 for a TV but I can see myself spending maybe $2,000 - $3,000 on a ultra short throw projector
What if the TV costs $2000-3000 like some of them do now?
Nope. Not until they can get to at least 130 inches and figure out how to do true acoustically transparent sound. Plus, a TV that big would be really hard to get in the house, install, service and replace. Not to mention the incredible heat they would create in the room. Lastly, they're just not cinematic like a projector reflecting off a screen.
Great video. When are we going to see your new home theater?
When I actually put it together 😭
Wouldn’t your center channel sound be more and more disjoint? Farther from where the voice should be coming from…the bigger the screen gets. Advantage acoustically transparent screen… I guess it’s all preference. ❤
That’s true, especially with most processors/receiver. I experienced that with my Denon, but the Trinnov eliminated that issue. Center channel placement constraints is a real downside though
What we need is a 120" Dolby Vision MiniLED or OLED for around $3000, without any speakers, or smart features. Most people will add a streaming media player or a 4K disk or HDD player to it.
Anyone saying projectoes are dead is just clueless and has no idea how a projector room with total light and reflection control and a highend jvc looks like.
Your puny 16:9 cannot compare to a 150 diag SCOPE screen...its laughable
A DLP projector gives movies that "special look" that you just cannot replicate with anything else.
I have a 4K Projector in my living room with a 150inch screen and a 77inch oled. I will probably not go larger for a normal tv. i also watch retro series, game on older consoles etc on that screen. That looks hidious in the beamer or larger screens. I dont have the need to watch everything on 150inch :)
A short throw projector is best for me since I move a lot. Moving a big TV 🤦♂️....it's just a mater of time before the movers break it 😞. When I get my own place...maybe then I'll buy a TV.....maybe.
Great video Villa😊
Thank you!
My theater is 20ft wide.
4k Laser projectors are good.
Haha yea, you’d need something 150” or larger for sure
Yeah, with TV sizes getting this large now I don't see any reason to get a new projector.
Price per inch?
Good luck finding a 120inch TV under 2k.
Portability.
Personally can't stand having a huge black rectangle engulfing and taking over my living room when it's off. I bought a 65 in TV and regretted it. Would rather have a 100in image and a clean space.
Maybe theirs a niche for white screen curtains?
There is a massive difference in 100" to 120". Honestly 100 inches is literally small
@@diamond4829 my how times have changed when 100in is considered small and I grew up playing Legend of Zelda on a 14in tv.
JVC / Sony fan noise in “high-mode” in its current laser projectors is a serious issue! So much so, it caused me to delay my purchase to replace my current 2018 Sony 285es. Rated 26db-ish in low mode with no mention of what it is high mode. But now we know . . . it’s typically DOUBLE: 45 to 50db or more. That is way too loud for a dedicated theatre room space. My 285es fan is lower and acceptable in high mode so I fail to understand why this can’t be done for laser fan projectors. I expect there will be a refresh of Sony and JVC’s projectors this year at CEDIA? I am “hoping” this issue gets fixed . . . along with other issues that other vloggers have mentioned over the past two years.
I‘ll go with the Apple Vision Pro.
In my opinion, I think those products are the real game changers.
Logistics is a serious issue
Projectors have had huge peicw reductions in last 6 monts..you can now get native 4k for under 5000
Nothing ends. Which one will win, it depends. It depends which tech manage to drive down price faster for the size, features. But long term, large displays will slowly decline vs micro OLED glasses. Old people will not get this but younger generation will, think earphones/headphones but for the eyes.
A 98” tv has a better picture. I couldn’t get a tv of that size down my stairs.
Yup, the logistics of it would be a big problem for a lot of folks