I did this on y '08 F250. Here are a couple of hints. I bought a special open ended wrench for getting the temp sensors out. It supports the nut on three sides. Even then, there was one I couldn't get out, so I just bought another one to tie up to the frame rail. I used some big ratcheting straps to pull the pipe apart. After the delete, this is like a whole different truck. Way more power with the DPF-R+ tuning, about 15% better fuel economy, it pulls like a freight train, and no more worrying about sooting up my turbos and diluting my oil. The only bad thing is I have to reverse it every two years for a smog check, which takes the better part of a day.
I did my DPF delete based off of this video. You'll definitely want an extension...and more importantly a universal joint...otherwise getting those top 3 nuts off would be damn near impossible.
Nater389 Forgot to mention. Be more careful removing the gasket than this guy...you can see he kinda tore it up. I used a flat bread knife(similar to a puddy knife) and did the same thing as he did...but I took a little more time and was able to retain more of the gasket without tearing it up. Know that they are very fragile and thin(cheap). I also went over the gasket edges with Form-A-Gasket before putting back on.......it could only help. Result? No exhaust leaks at the gasket.
Vico...I went with the Torque Technologies T1 tuner. Note T1 and not T2. T2 will tune the truck just like the T1 but has no monitoring capabilities. It has been great, save a small issue with the speed limiter not increasing. But honestly I don't race, and I drive easy. I don't see myself going over 95 mph in this truck. Other than that(and I haven't troubleshooted very much) it has been great. Disabled the regen process and EGR cooler functionality like it's supposed to. There are others though...like the Spartan tuner which has good reviews.
June, the tuner would be around $1,200 and is by far the most expensive step in deleting the DPF. The straight pipe needed to replace the DPF could be had for around $160. Might as well delete the DOC(catalytic converter) in addition to the DPF while you're at it...but if you don't want to they do make a pure DPF delete pipe with a flange on the one end to hook up to the DOC...like in this video. I will be removing my DOC soon...but will need to buy the different pipe to replace the flange pipe...my mistake for not thinking ahead. So basically, you buy the replacement pipe (with or without bungs - for the sensors). I would go with bung holes personally, so I can retain sensor placement. Everything is bolt on bolt off...if you can...do it yourself...or with a little help from a friend. Let me know if you have any questions. All parts supplied?! $2,100 is expensive...but then again...a shop is having to pay people. Then again...it's not that hard to do either.
You can pick up a DPF-R Plus tuner for less than $350, it will delete the EGR and DPF and gives a nice 70 HP bump, and if you don't want the HP increase just grab the standard DPF-R for even less.
One of the major problems with the 6.4 starts with the DPF (soot cooker). When it clogs it forces the computer to run RE-GEN more often which fries the seal in the turbo. Then the engine oil just passes through the turbo and out the tailpipe until there is no oil left in the engine. Bearings will spin, and the whole engine will be toast.
These engines with a DPF need a separate oiling system for the turbo. This will eliminate this problem. Only the turbo will get toasted in a runaway situation instead of the entire engine. Even the 6.0 Powerstrokehelp needs this.
from my knowledge the pressure sensor between the cat and dpf, determine the pressure differential. when it senses a upset in the differential (more pressure in than out) it will set engine in regen. the pyrometer (temp sensor at the end of the test pipe) will determine the heat associated with the regen cycle, as opposed to normal running. i am guessing why there was no tuner used and or needed.
Joe Sylvia I think thats how to Chevys work. ford doesn't use differential measurements. the computer just does some math about idle time vs drive time and makes guesses on when to regen.
Any modification to vehicle emissions for highway use is against federal law in every single state - even if there is no diesel emissions testing in that state. If found, end consumers are hit with a $3750 fine; even if you're on private land. Shops that do this are subject to $37000 fine per infraction. It also, obviously, voids any warranty. So - land of the free, home of the brave - make up your own mind.
I want to know if i have either a 6.4 or 6.7 Powerstroke. how can i remove the DPF system with the truck STILL being legal. and with warranty still valid? doesnt the computer check for that and if its not there it wont turn on?
You do need the programmer to install this kit but it works good and looks very stock. Just order up a DPF-R stock tune DPF delete programmer with it and its totally worth it. Better mileage and no more diesel fuel in the crankcase oil that the defective factory DPF software causes, that destroys engines.
I have a 2008 ford250 6.4 liters and and the clean exhaust filter light has started to turn on, I would like to do this procedure, where can I get this pipe and where can I reprogram it.
I have a 2008 F250 6.4L . I perform a DPF/ CAT delete after that when is running sometime i see blue smoke, crude diesel on pipe. what i need to eliminate that smoke? or what do you think is the problem? I have TWO sensor out on the exhaust.
+GERARDO MARIN did you get a programmer to turn off the extra diesel that is used to regenerate the DPF? If not, you're not getting the fuel economy benefit of the delete.
Hi from Mooresville. I'd go H&S Minimax ($1050 or so) and then you'll need the delete portion for the exhaust. Kit's start around $500. I have full turboback exhaust on mine, so it's obviously a bit more.
That doesn't net you anymore power but seems like a good price. My H&S in the 'hot damn 300' tune nudges my truck to a 12.9 quarter mile...which in all reality is useless in my tow vehicle. It does however have a screen to pull tons of ECU data and act as your gauges for when you're towing. Trans temps, oil temp, coolant, EGT, TPS, boost, etc...ECU channels go on and on.
+june davis That tuner is a piece of shit. I got it, followed all directions for pipe install and what to do with sensors, then went to load the program and get an error code 239 thats not even documented and tech support had no idea and no refund for me.
Where can I get one of those straight pipes that you are installing what brand is it and where did you get that sir I’d like to buy one if you can reply back I would really appreciate it
mark davis maybe it will pass. in the Netherlands after 2007 they use the obd connectiong to read it. so if your dpf is removed they can put it close to 0 in the ecu
I don't believe a tuner will be needed because the regeneration process gets initiated when the sensors detect a high enough pressure difference between inlet and outlet on the DPF so, because there is no longer a DPF there should be no pressure difference using the test pipe, therefore regeneration should not be activated. That's my take on it, what do you think?
sweet video, now I understand why this is illegal to do this, just wondering who would bust you for having the DPF delete? I doubt the state police would even bother with pulling over random trucks to see if it's been removed...
BCcreativeInnovation the only department that would possibly ticket you would probably be (DOT) Department of Transportation. However most of the time they do not bother small vehicles.
+dockswithlions you could but they fetch a decent price on the used market. Also, this would only help if you have visual inspection and no sniffer...I say that as aftermarket programmers will turn of flags/codes in the ECU, so it'll pass OBD-II scan just fine.
I have a p040d code and limp mode. I broke off the sensor on the up pipe. does anyone think I can get a egr and dpf delete tuner that it'll bypass this sensor? then I can just plug it in and zip tie it somewhere?
bibli ography No man. I have a diesel truck too. I want to do the same, but I'm not sure how legal this is and if I'm going to get in trouble. That's all
Jenish Odigineyev it's not legal but highly recommended unless tickets cost more than engines. the emissions system as a whole will cut your trucks life in half
+Gear Box Z This doesnt explain what the hell you do when you get Error 2-3-9 while the program is trying to upload. I cant find anything online ANYTHING, not even at the manufacturer site to tell me what the hell error 2-3-9 means and how to correct it. Im fucked thanks to this junk product. Wasted labor on delete pipe install.
Gear BoxZ DPF-R Ford 4.0 for the 2008-2010 6.4L Powerstroke. Plus right out of the box the NO button is messed up and always does a rapid fire response to one push and chimes a bunch.
Email may not have done so well but a phone call got through just fine. They are sending me a replacement programmer overnight, so here is hoping this one works. I dont know how the one I got even passed quality control with the obvious button damage and case defect.
Hey Volatile motorworks. Im looking to use this product to replace the exhisting filter on my 2008 f-450. Would you recommed this using this version. Or would you recommed another brand. Thanx, Steve
+TheFirefighterdude2 Sure. Seems to work well with the DPF bypass pipe even without the bungs for the Exhaust temp sensors. They sent me a replacement programmer quick and easy when I called Gear Box Z directly and it worked just as advertised. My customer's 2008 F550 runs great now, gets better fuel mileage, and no more diesel fuel in the crankcase oil. This will save your engine for sure.
I did this on y '08 F250. Here are a couple of hints. I bought a special open ended wrench for getting the temp sensors out. It supports the nut on three sides. Even then, there was one I couldn't get out, so I just bought another one to tie up to the frame rail. I used some big ratcheting straps to pull the pipe apart. After the delete, this is like a whole different truck. Way more power with the DPF-R+ tuning, about 15% better fuel economy, it pulls like a freight train, and no more worrying about sooting up my turbos and diluting my oil. The only bad thing is I have to reverse it every two years for a smog check, which takes the better part of a day.
I did my DPF delete based off of this video. You'll definitely want an extension...and more importantly a universal joint...otherwise getting those top 3 nuts off would be damn near impossible.
Nater389 Forgot to mention. Be more careful removing the gasket than this guy...you can see he kinda tore it up. I used a flat bread knife(similar to a puddy knife) and did the same thing as he did...but I took a little more time and was able to retain more of the gasket without tearing it up. Know that they are very fragile and thin(cheap). I also went over the gasket edges with Form-A-Gasket before putting back on.......it could only help. Result? No exhaust leaks at the gasket.
Nater389 What did you use for a tuner? I am having problems finding them on the internet. I have a 2008 F350 6.4L. Thanks!
Vico...I went with the Torque Technologies T1 tuner. Note T1 and not T2. T2 will tune the truck just like the T1 but has no monitoring capabilities. It has been great, save a small issue with the speed limiter not increasing. But honestly I don't race, and I drive easy. I don't see myself going over 95 mph in this truck. Other than that(and I haven't troubleshooted very much) it has been great. Disabled the regen process and EGR cooler functionality like it's supposed to. There are others though...like the Spartan tuner which has good reviews.
June, the tuner would be around $1,200 and is by far the most expensive step in deleting the DPF. The straight pipe needed to replace the DPF could be had for around $160. Might as well delete the DOC(catalytic converter) in addition to the DPF while you're at it...but if you don't want to they do make a pure DPF delete pipe with a flange on the one end to hook up to the DOC...like in this video. I will be removing my DOC soon...but will need to buy the different pipe to replace the flange pipe...my mistake for not thinking ahead. So basically, you buy the replacement pipe (with or without bungs - for the sensors). I would go with bung holes personally, so I can retain sensor placement. Everything is bolt on bolt off...if you can...do it yourself...or with a little help from a friend. Let me know if you have any questions. All parts supplied?! $2,100 is expensive...but then again...a shop is having to pay people. Then again...it's not that hard to do either.
You can pick up a DPF-R Plus tuner for less than $350, it will delete the EGR and DPF and gives a nice 70 HP bump, and if you don't want the HP increase just grab the standard DPF-R for even less.
@patJPbryan I think its a spartan tune or something. those sensors won't turn of the DPF. you need to tune it to shut it down.
One of the major problems with the 6.4 starts with the DPF (soot cooker). When it clogs it forces the computer to run RE-GEN more often which fries the seal in the turbo. Then the engine oil just passes through the turbo and out the tailpipe until there is no oil left in the engine. Bearings will spin, and the whole engine will be toast.
These engines with a DPF need a separate oiling system for the turbo. This will eliminate this problem. Only the turbo will get toasted in a runaway situation instead of the entire engine. Even the 6.0 Powerstrokehelp needs this.
from my knowledge the pressure sensor between the cat and dpf, determine the pressure differential. when it senses a upset in the differential (more pressure in than out) it will set engine in regen. the pyrometer (temp sensor at the end of the test pipe) will determine the heat associated with the regen cycle, as opposed to normal running. i am guessing why there was no tuner used and or needed.
Joe Sylvia I think thats how to Chevys work. ford doesn't use differential measurements. the computer just does some math about idle time vs drive time and makes guesses on when to regen.
Some regens are based on sensing build up in the dpf. No dpf, no regens. Its ALMOST that easy.
BigDirtyBasterd you may be thinking of DEF (diesel exhaust fluid). the Ford engine that uses that fluid is the new 6.7 powerstroke
Nothing like the sound of a deleted 6.4
Will this new exhaust pipe help me on fuel?
And will my truck still pass emissions on my 2010 f250. 6.4
+Tito Lopez you will fail emission
is it necessary to do the EGR delete as well or can you just delete the DPF and be fine running it with just the DPF delete..
you can just do the DPF delete on the truck as long as you do a tune on it. It is not necessary to do the EGR delete.
Big poor
Any modification to vehicle emissions for highway use is against federal law in every single state - even if there is no diesel emissions testing in that state. If found, end consumers are hit with a $3750 fine; even if you're on private land. Shops that do this are subject to $37000 fine per infraction. It also, obviously, voids any warranty. So - land of the free, home of the brave - make up your own mind.
I want to know if i have either a 6.4 or 6.7 Powerstroke. how can i remove the DPF system with the truck STILL being legal. and with warranty still valid? doesnt the computer check for that and if its not there it wont turn on?
@northsiderollers I meant your warranty will be void... As in you saying will the warranty still be valid, and I said that that will never happen.
do you need the programmer to install this kit, because I didn't see you install one or mention it in the video?
You do need the programmer to install this kit but it works good and looks very stock. Just order up a DPF-R stock tune DPF delete programmer with it and its totally worth it. Better mileage and no more diesel fuel in the crankcase oil that the defective factory DPF software causes, that destroys engines.
Yeah I did the same thing with this tuner and custom tunes on my 6.4: amzn.to/2P5eOvW
SCT tuners work great on Powerstroke engines
where can i get one like the one you installed for a f350 6.4
@MrMustang210 im not sure what you meant. meaning it wont effect the warranty?
Considering the opening of the CAT converter the opening of the new pipe is smaller...can that have any kind of back pressure?
Where did you get the pipe for the delete
I have a 2008 ford250 6.4 liters and and the clean exhaust filter light has started to turn on, I would like to do this procedure, where can I get this pipe and where can I reprogram it.
I have a 2008 F250 6.4L . I perform a DPF/ CAT delete after that when is running sometime i see blue smoke, crude diesel on pipe. what i need to eliminate that smoke? or what do you think is the problem? I have TWO sensor out on the exhaust.
+GERARDO MARIN did you get a programmer to turn off the extra diesel that is used to regenerate the DPF? If not, you're not getting the fuel economy benefit of the delete.
Hi from Mooresville. I'd go H&S Minimax ($1050 or so) and then you'll need the delete portion for the exhaust. Kit's start around $500. I have full turboback exhaust on mine, so it's obviously a bit more.
That doesn't net you anymore power but seems like a good price.
My H&S in the 'hot damn 300' tune nudges my truck to a 12.9 quarter mile...which in all reality is useless in my tow vehicle. It does however have a screen to pull tons of ECU data and act as your gauges for when you're towing.
Trans temps, oil temp, coolant, EGT, TPS, boost, etc...ECU channels go on and on.
June Davis Oh and the H&S also lets you control the torque converter. I run locked in 4th and 5th. It also lets you correct for tire diameter changes.
+june davis That tuner is a piece of shit. I got it, followed all directions for pipe install and what to do with sensors, then went to load the program and get an error code 239 thats not even documented and tech support had no idea and no refund for me.
Do you need a tuner for this?
Yes.
Where can I get one of those straight pipes that you are installing what brand is it and where did you get that sir I’d like to buy one if you can reply back I would really appreciate it
I live in Colorado and we have emission requirements, if I remove that part will my truck still pass emissions?
No it will not pass emissions.
thanx Glen but I got rid of that truck there were more issues to it then just the dpf
mark davis maybe it will pass. in the Netherlands after 2007 they use the obd connectiong to read it. so if your dpf is removed they can put it close to 0 in the ecu
On this truck was there a tune installed to go with the pipe??
Basically a fancy catalytic converter for diesels... Diesel particulate filter
get used to the DPF, as its the future of all diesel powered vehicles
Williamrheawe so how do you propose preventing soot from coming from the exhaust then ?
where did you buy the pipe
Does this throw any error codes or do you have to reprogram the ecu. thanks
You need the DPF-R programmer to delete the DPF software from the PCM to use this kit, but it works.
Running a dpf delete with no tune will throw the truck in constant regen
Yeah I did the same thing with this tuner and custom tunes on my 6.4: amzn.to/2P5eOvW
Whats the tune and stops the dpf cycle or is it automatic becuase the sensors dont read anything
Where can one purchase a EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) sensor? I cannot find it anywhere!!
did you have to use a programmer to delete the dpf in the computer?
where do i get that piece of pipe with the screw on top?
the engine also needs that little bit of extra back pressure. check out powerstrokehelp videos. Tones of great info!
no tuner was needed what about fault codes ?
You need a programmer that will remove the regen process.
Going rate is around $900
I don't believe a tuner will be needed because the regeneration process gets initiated when the sensors detect a high enough pressure difference between inlet and outlet on the DPF so, because there is no longer a DPF there should be no pressure difference using the test pipe, therefore regeneration should not be activated. That's my take on it, what do you think?
@@raystanton238 What was the verdict on this? No programmer needed?
can i do this and not the tuner at the same time
No.
+Devil Dog what kind of tuner works with this or does it come with a tuner?
Why would you delete the dpf and not the catalytic?? I got rid of all that shit on mine.
Yes you do.
thats a nice truck
Where did you order it?
Where can I find that pipe
sweet video, now I understand why this is illegal to do this, just wondering who would bust you for having the DPF delete? I doubt the state police would even bother with pulling over random trucks to see if it's been removed...
BCcreativeInnovation the only department that would possibly ticket you would probably be (DOT) Department of Transportation. However most of the time they do not bother small vehicles.
On a 6.4L can the pdf substrate (the actual filter material) be air chiseled out so the stock pipe can be reused?
+dockswithlions you could but they fetch a decent price on the used market.
Also, this would only help if you have visual inspection and no sniffer...I say that as aftermarket programmers will turn of flags/codes in the ECU, so it'll pass OBD-II scan just fine.
Do you need any programmer to delete catalytic converter ?
does it come with a programmer?
I have a p040d code and limp mode. I broke off the sensor on the up pipe. does anyone think I can get a egr and dpf delete tuner that it'll bypass this sensor? then I can just plug it in and zip tie it somewhere?
you reused a torn gasket..u gotta be kidding me
DeadorAliveOutdoors
reusing any seal/gasket is idiotic, torn/worn or not.
How turn off engine affter delet
How delete engine ligth affter remove dpf?
Jose Luis Rodriguez Are you asking how to get rid of the check engine light after removing the DPF?
Is for saving money 💰 🤑 💸 🤣
do I have to do a tuner if I remove the dpf
Yes you do
Help!!!!!! Does anyone know how to reset a Dpf 4.0 gearbox?
will this add power an is this legal
+Robert Tannenbaum yes and yes
With the proper tune it will make more power and get better fuel mileage but it is not legal.
+Robert Tannenbaum will add power and increase fuel economy but it is illegal.
+SwagMeistro no and no
hi where can i get the test pipe?
you can order this pipe of Amazon for $225
how can the pipe ordered it .?
this is a 6.4l PS. doesn't have UREA.
Do you need a programmer for this
yes. otherwise the truck wont run properly.
where can I find this for less than $800
Lawrence Champagne straight pipe it...
@MrMustang210 oh ok. well that sucks i dont want the DPF on such an awesome truck. but i want my warranty! lol
Purchase a sct programmer it will stop the regen cycle
in rhode island its not legal but i think i can still pay for a sticker so ots just how much
+Robert Tannenbaum its still illegal to take off dpf and cat even if theres no emissions because its mandated by the feds not the state
if your caught which they are cracking down its 5 years in prison for removing a dpf and your truck is unsellable n will will be scrapped
God bless America eh? Land of the free!!!Oh wait, never mind. remove it and off to prison you go!!! We are going downhill fast. Hate to say it.
+CSXtrackworker haven't seen them do it yet but one day I guess they will start to set an example out of someone not me back to my 6.2 l gas f250
It's certainly a shame that this is what it is coming too. But you are right. One day they will go as far as to do that to someone.
Hi send me info yiu bay part
@northsiderollers As for the warranty thst will never happen
thaks body
Camera man got hosed with PB Blaster and the video is messed up.
Number part please
Is this legal?
Jenish Odigineyev you a cop?
bibli ography No man. I have a diesel truck too. I want to do the same, but I'm not sure how legal this is and if I'm going to get in trouble. That's all
Jenish Odigineyev it's not legal but highly recommended unless tickets cost more than engines. the emissions system as a whole will cut your trucks life in half
bibli ography I'm gonna head over to the shop to get it done this week :) Thank bro
Why would you want to run a straight pipe that is easy to spot ?Why not just punch out the filter mesh and reinstall the modded original pipe?
You dont need DPF on car. + You can disable it on ECU.
+Gear Box Z This doesnt explain what the hell you do when you get Error 2-3-9 while the program is trying to upload. I cant find anything online ANYTHING, not even at the manufacturer site to tell me what the hell error 2-3-9 means and how to correct it. Im fucked thanks to this junk product. Wasted labor on delete pipe install.
What programmer did you get?
Gear BoxZ DPF-R Ford 4.0 for the 2008-2010 6.4L Powerstroke. Plus right out of the box the NO button is messed up and always does a rapid fire response to one push and chimes a bunch.
Email may not have done so well but a phone call got through just fine. They are sending me a replacement programmer overnight, so here is hoping this one works. I dont know how the one I got even passed quality control with the obvious button damage and case defect.
Hey Volatile motorworks. Im looking to use this product to replace the exhisting filter on my 2008 f-450. Would you recommed this using this version. Or would you recommed another brand. Thanx, Steve
+TheFirefighterdude2 Sure. Seems to work well with the DPF bypass pipe even without the bungs for the Exhaust temp sensors. They sent me a replacement programmer quick and easy when I called Gear Box Z directly and it worked just as advertised. My customer's 2008 F550 runs great now, gets better fuel mileage, and no more diesel fuel in the crankcase oil. This will save your engine for sure.
Ok im confused some people say i need a programmer for the DPF delete kit and some say you don't. Which is true all i want is better MPG's
you need a programmer to do a DPF delete. If you dont the truck will not run properly and will have check engine lights on and other lights as well.
AH OK. Thank you.