Tbh, those two sentences at the end are all the analysis that the entire situation deserves. "Gen X'ers CRY at kids not liking their childhood movies! They were outraged…"
I agree, I just think it's really funny how such a straightforward article can be twisted into such a storm of outrage based on the biased lens people read it through.
@@datamale It's IMHO one of the biggest weaknesses of the current reactionary movement. They're totally incapable of engaging with the actually meaningful things to people's lives.
Comedy is the fastest to age and the most likely to age badly anyway. If someone told me that my favourite childhood movie (Back to the future) is bad because you're basically enabling the creep (Marty finds his dad on a tree spying into a girl's bedroom while she undresses, that used to be a whole-ass trope) to "get the girl" with her having no agency or arc, I would agree with them. I'd still like the movie otherwise, but yeah, that just aged badly. If they did that today, I'd advise them to take out that creep scene, for sure, lol.
It's completely understandable that movies age poorly as societal values progress on a wider scale. I'm curious how we'll look back on today's entertainment in a few decades' time, and what problems we're likely to notice that we might not now. It's scary to think that we might be supporting things that aren't going to age well, but in a way I hope we continue to question things we previously took for granted, and improve as a result.
Gen Z are killing parties /s Can't say I've ever heard that before, but there has been articles about Gen Z killing after-work parties and millennials killing dinner parties. Glad we are focusing on the important topics of our time.
I always thought the Stifler's mom bit was pretty, you know, statutory. But that's okay because the younger person is a guy and guys always want sex and can't be sexually violated or exploited by women anyway. And anyone who says differently probably never goes to parties anyway.
I really hate this attitude, and you see it all the time whenever you read about a situation like this happening in real life, with older dudes saying stuff like "Where was she when I was younger?" American Pie is an expression of the exact attitudes that are instilled in men to overlook their own boundaries and instead give in to these expectations, which they're often held to BY other men. The sooner we can distance ourselves from that ideology, the better.
Even if you inexplicably think American Pie is the greatest comedy movie ever made, I truly cannot fathom getting so upset about what teenagers think of a 20 year old movie, it's pretty pathetic really
I'm a Gen X and everyone of my age knows that this move - the point of it! - was that to be cringe. It was made to be cringe, if you don¨t think it¨s cringe you you don't like or get the movie. Imagine watching Mr Bean and taking it seriously and defending it 20 years later? Being cringe is not bad - it's meant to cause (self)reflection.
As a gen Zer (older gen Z though), most of my favorite movies are 80s/90s movies that maybe haven't aged well because they're good and enjoyable enough movies that I can look past those elements as a product of different era and it's fine. I can cringe for 2 seconds, shrug, and move on. I LOVE John Hughes movies while also being able to admit that things like Bender sticking his head up Claire's skirt in The Breakfast Club or Anthony Micheal Hall's character in Sixteen Candles getting involved with a girl while she was drunk aren't things that would fly today, or at the very least go without criticism (for good reason) but they don't drag down the movie for me because there's still a lot to enjoy. In fact, I enjoy them enough that I own them on DVD and watch them often. I haven't seen American Pie in its entirety (just some scenes here and there) so I can't speak on it too much. But this did remind me of when my dad suggested I watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High, since I like 80s movies so much. He HYPED it up and when I took the time to watch it on my own, I didn't like it at all. There were definitely things in it I found problematic by today's standards, but unlike the other movies it was harder for me to get past because the rest of the movie was just...not good enough to balance it out. There doesn't seem to be much of a point to anything that happens and it feels kind of disjointed. It's just kind of "This happens and this happens and this happens and then..." and so I couldn't even make the case that the "problematic" aspects were balanced out by good writing. I couldn't just cringe for 2 seconds. I cringed a lot. The only time I wasn't bored in between cringing were the scenes between Mr. Hand and Spicoli, which I actually enjoyed, but that wasn't enough to save it for me. I kinda wished the movie was just about Spicoli. I had a hard time believing it when I found out a lot of people my dads age consider it a classic when so many better movies came out at the time. It's not that young people can't recognize that some things haven't aged well and that we're humorless and judge everything. It's that some movies just don't have the shelf life that others do, because what a movie like Fast Times had to offer was such a product of its time whereas something like The Breakfast Club, while having tropes that haven't aged well, has an overall story that still rings true and universal no matter which generation you come from. I assume it's similar with American Pie. And no one is saying YOU can't still enjoy American Pie or Fast Times. But just respect the fact that some people find it hard to watch. Some things just aren't people's cup of tea🤷🏻♀️
So let me get this straight: people are angry over a group of teenage girls being shown a scene of an adult actress playing a character within the girls’ age groups being gawked at by teen boys without being shown the rest of the film. Granted, while I have no problems with people who do genuinely find the series enjoyable, opinions are opinions of course, you literally can’t get angry at a group of teen girls being shown a very inappropriate scene completely isolated from the rest of the film & they get uncomfortable. Regardless of the time period, looking at it from the opposite gender’s point of view (I’m a male, born and raised), I would give a very similar opinion. And let’s be serious here: if the roles were reversed and it was a group of girls cyberstalking and gawking a boy, the male side of the population would be crying. But because it’s a girl, they’re just supposed to accept it. 🤦 As a guy who actually believes in equality instead of having one gender get more than the other, this whole double standard of guys get to take advantage of girls & they can’t do anything about it needs to seriously stop.
Yes this is bad thing but there are too many examples of beloved franchises being destroyed by updating to "modern audiences" just because there is fake drama created doesn't negate every real things
I'm from Gen Z. It's just ridiculous what they were doing. I haven't seen the full movie, but I love it, especially that girl who wanted to change her clothes in someone's room idk.
Gen Xer here who never saw American Pie. I wish I was able to see the degenerate BS Fast Times At Ridgemont High and other such films were pushing on us as teens the way Gen Zers seem to be able to see it. I think it all stems from the fact that teens today can’t afford to be as gullible as we were for to be so in 2023 is to risk winding up in a shallow grave somewhere, where we never had to worry one iota about anything like that. Movies like Snow White being remade into some ridiculous woke feminist image, in effect cancelling the original, are examples of the cancel culture run amok. But young people calling out movies with truly degenerate themes like treating sex as just some cheap base commodity? That should be applauded. Whether the movie was made in 2023 or 1983 is irrelevant. Maybe some Gen Zers have just realized sooner than my generation and others that there’re a whole lot of people out there still getting rich from selling the public the same old roadmaps to hell and these Gen Zers at 20 are just saying “no sale” where it took me ‘till 40 to stop buying.
Tbh, those two sentences at the end are all the analysis that the entire situation deserves.
"Gen X'ers CRY at kids not liking their childhood movies! They were outraged…"
I agree, I just think it's really funny how such a straightforward article can be twisted into such a storm of outrage based on the biased lens people read it through.
It's interesting in a cyberpunk way how much of this cancel culture stuff is just "They don't want to consume what you want to consume."
These so called "Free thinkers" can't handle any ideological rejection, even if that rejection is of a trash movie from a quarter of a century ago.
@@datamale It's IMHO one of the biggest weaknesses of the current reactionary movement. They're totally incapable of engaging with the actually meaningful things to people's lives.
Comedy is the fastest to age and the most likely to age badly anyway. If someone told me that my favourite childhood movie (Back to the future) is bad because you're basically enabling the creep (Marty finds his dad on a tree spying into a girl's bedroom while she undresses, that used to be a whole-ass trope) to "get the girl" with her having no agency or arc, I would agree with them. I'd still like the movie otherwise, but yeah, that just aged badly. If they did that today, I'd advise them to take out that creep scene, for sure, lol.
It's completely understandable that movies age poorly as societal values progress on a wider scale.
I'm curious how we'll look back on today's entertainment in a few decades' time, and what problems we're likely to notice that we might not now.
It's scary to think that we might be supporting things that aren't going to age well, but in a way I hope we continue to question things we previously took for granted, and improve as a result.
I remember when I was at school in the 90s American Pie seemed unbearably cringe.
"They must be fun at parties", a classic phrase used by somebody who doesn't have a real argument. It's sad frankly.
Very cool diss from the guy crying about what teenagers think of his childhood movies
Gen Z are killing parties /s Can't say I've ever heard that before, but there has been articles about Gen Z killing after-work parties and millennials killing dinner parties. Glad we are focusing on the important topics of our time.
I always thought the Stifler's mom bit was pretty, you know, statutory. But that's okay because the younger person is a guy and guys always want sex and can't be sexually violated or exploited by women anyway. And anyone who says differently probably never goes to parties anyway.
I really hate this attitude, and you see it all the time whenever you read about a situation like this happening in real life, with older dudes saying stuff like "Where was she when I was younger?"
American Pie is an expression of the exact attitudes that are instilled in men to overlook their own boundaries and instead give in to these expectations, which they're often held to BY other men.
The sooner we can distance ourselves from that ideology, the better.
Agreed. It perpetuated a lot of really negative and often harmful stereotypes that we're still working on addressing.
You gotta love Facebook rage-bait
Good video brother
Apparently teenagers don't like outdated comedies.
have you MET a teenager? were you ever one yourself?
apparently not
Even if you inexplicably think American Pie is the greatest comedy movie ever made, I truly cannot fathom getting so upset about what teenagers think of a 20 year old movie, it's pretty pathetic really
These guys really wanna paint the world the same colour as their rose tinted glasses, huh?
I'm a Gen X and everyone of my age knows that this move - the point of it! - was that to be cringe. It was made to be cringe, if you don¨t think it¨s cringe you you don't like or get the movie. Imagine watching Mr Bean and taking it seriously and defending it 20 years later? Being cringe is not bad - it's meant to cause (self)reflection.
I think the movie is outdated, does this make me cool and hip to Gen Z, I hope so
Your woke card is being delivered as we speak
As a gen Zer (older gen Z though), most of my favorite movies are 80s/90s movies that maybe haven't aged well because they're good and enjoyable enough movies that I can look past those elements as a product of different era and it's fine. I can cringe for 2 seconds, shrug, and move on.
I LOVE John Hughes movies while also being able to admit that things like Bender sticking his head up Claire's skirt in The Breakfast Club or Anthony Micheal Hall's character in Sixteen Candles getting involved with a girl while she was drunk aren't things that would fly today, or at the very least go without criticism (for good reason) but they don't drag down the movie for me because there's still a lot to enjoy. In fact, I enjoy them enough that I own them on DVD and watch them often.
I haven't seen American Pie in its entirety (just some scenes here and there) so I can't speak on it too much. But this did remind me of when my dad suggested I watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High, since I like 80s movies so much.
He HYPED it up and when I took the time to watch it on my own, I didn't like it at all. There were definitely things in it I found problematic by today's standards, but unlike the other movies it was harder for me to get past because the rest of the movie was just...not good enough to balance it out. There doesn't seem to be much of a point to anything that happens and it feels kind of disjointed. It's just kind of "This happens and this happens and this happens and then..." and so I couldn't even make the case that the "problematic" aspects were balanced out by good writing. I couldn't just cringe for 2 seconds. I cringed a lot. The only time I wasn't bored in between cringing were the scenes between Mr. Hand and Spicoli, which I actually enjoyed, but that wasn't enough to save it for me. I kinda wished the movie was just about Spicoli.
I had a hard time believing it when I found out a lot of people my dads age consider it a classic when so many better movies came out at the time.
It's not that young people can't recognize that some things haven't aged well and that we're humorless and judge everything. It's that some movies just don't have the shelf life that others do, because what a movie like Fast Times had to offer was such a product of its time whereas something like The Breakfast Club, while having tropes that haven't aged well, has an overall story that still rings true and universal no matter which generation you come from. I assume it's similar with American Pie.
And no one is saying YOU can't still enjoy American Pie or Fast Times. But just respect the fact that some people find it hard to watch. Some things just aren't people's cup of tea🤷🏻♀️
So let me get this straight: people are angry over a group of teenage girls being shown a scene of an adult actress playing a character within the girls’ age groups being gawked at by teen boys without being shown the rest of the film.
Granted, while I have no problems with people who do genuinely find the series enjoyable, opinions are opinions of course, you literally can’t get angry at a group of teen girls being shown a very inappropriate scene completely isolated from the rest of the film & they get uncomfortable. Regardless of the time period, looking at it from the opposite gender’s point of view (I’m a male, born and raised), I would give a very similar opinion. And let’s be serious here: if the roles were reversed and it was a group of girls cyberstalking and gawking a boy, the male side of the population would be crying. But because it’s a girl, they’re just supposed to accept it. 🤦 As a guy who actually believes in equality instead of having one gender get more than the other, this whole double standard of guys get to take advantage of girls & they can’t do anything about it needs to seriously stop.
Yes this is bad thing but there are too many examples of beloved franchises being destroyed by updating to "modern audiences" just because there is fake drama created doesn't negate every real things
ugh. American Pie was never funny nor good.
I'm from Gen Z. It's just ridiculous what they were doing. I haven't seen the full movie, but I love it, especially that girl who wanted to change her clothes in someone's room idk.
Gen Xer here who never saw American Pie. I wish I was able to see the degenerate BS Fast Times At Ridgemont High and other such films were pushing on us as teens the way Gen Zers seem to be able to see it. I think it all stems from the fact that teens today can’t afford to be as gullible as we were for to be so in 2023 is to risk winding up in a shallow grave somewhere, where we never had to worry one iota about anything like that. Movies like Snow White being remade into some ridiculous woke feminist image, in effect cancelling the original, are examples of the cancel culture run amok. But young people calling out movies with truly degenerate themes like treating sex as just some cheap base commodity? That should be applauded. Whether the movie was made in 2023 or 1983 is irrelevant. Maybe some Gen Zers have just realized sooner than my generation and others that there’re a whole lot of people out there still getting rich from selling the public the same old roadmaps to hell and these Gen Zers at 20 are just saying “no sale” where it took me ‘till 40 to stop buying.