Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm - BTS with DTS - Ep. 3
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2021
- thanks to Alfa Romeo and Museo Storico Alfa Romeo di Arese.
For a 4-cylinder car displacing less than 2 liters, the Alfa Romeo Giulia GTA has always been expensive. 50% more than the standard Giulia when it was new, and ~800% more today. So what do you get for all that extra money? Quite a bit less, as it turns out. The A in GTA stands for “alleggerita” or lightened and the car is much much lighter than the standard one. At 1800 pounds, it’s 500 pounds less than the regular Giulia GT. Coupled with a seriously hot-rodded engine, the car is a firecracker and it remains today one of the most successful touring cars of all time. It won around the world, on circuits and in rallies in Europe, America, Africa, Australia, and South America, often against much more powerful cars.
Their giant-killing performance made them part of a long and illustrious legacy of successful racing Alfa Romeos. It also makes them an absolute riot to drive today. They are raucous, lively cars that turn every drive into an occasion.
In 2020, Alfa dusted off the GTA moniker for a new car, derived from the Giulia Quadrifoglio which is one of the best driving Alfa Romeos in decades. Also substantially lightened and very limited production, the new Giulia GTA is one of the most exciting Alfa Romeos in recent memory, thanks to its even more extensive use of carbon fiber, revised aerodynamics, widened track, and other performance upgrades. In this episode, these two cars meet at the Alfa Romeo museum, where Derek Tam-Scott investigates just how much genetic material they share.
BTS (behind the scenes) with DTS:
Derek Tam-Scott’s spirit age is excess of 75 years old, and nowhere is that clearer than his taste in cars. At age 16, he went to work at one of the United States' foremost vintage car dealers, which cemented his elderly taste. Now with a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving, and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced many of the world’s most iconic cars. And even liked some of them.
Most of the car enthusiasts of Derek’s generation (and well, let’s be honest, even a generation or two before him) don’t have much experience with the magic of vintage cars prior to the 1980s, and therefore lack the knowledge and exposure to get genuinely excited about them. The goal of BTS is to give an insider’s perspective on why these cars particularly are great...or at least interesting and noteworthy. Derek brings his encyclopedic knowledge and broad experience together to contextualize these cars to give the audience understanding of both why it matters, and what it’s actually like to experience the cars.
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“Because race car.” - DTS
DTHS :)
I think my biggest takeaway from this is that the original GTA was a freaking baller homologation car and anyone who can strip out 500 lbs from a 2300 lb car while still being able to sell it to the general public has my respect.
Wish it were still possible to do that today. That new one is absolutely gorgeous though.
History of Alfa Romeo brand is glorious. And the new Giulia GTA is amazing.
If Alfa could build cars to anywhere approaching Japanese build quality and reliability, they could pretty well name their price and buyers would line up. But they can’t.
The new GTA is NOT....It’s a sedan (as you call it in America) ALL the ORIGINAL GTA’s were COUPES
Yep and future doesn't look good
@Kinky Streets Of course they willl loose money with each car they sell. I can imagine that it would be a Hell of a drama getting the US Goverment aproval to import this car leagally. Same bullshit in Switzerland. So many cars can not be imported and registered due to stupidity of goverment officials.
@@johntechwriterThe Japanese outside of Toyota have terrible build quality & even Toyota is debatable.
Guys, the classic Alfa shown in the video is a GTAm, not a GTA, so the voiceovers mismatches the subject. The differences are way beyond the body width. The classic GTAm is a different car, without alloy body panels and many other allegerita refinements of the GTA (not necessary as the mininum weight for the championships it was designed for were larger, so the GTAm lightweight recipe is way simpler), 2 liter engine, fuel injection, no thinner glass, etc.
Correct. The original GTA was a very light car and that gave it an advantage in handling but the GTAm was a larger more powerful engine so was faster....different generation of the car. My AROC in Detroit has a member who has a real GTA. He drives it on track days and autocrosses and is a very fast driver. Amazing that a car 60 years old can blow off the latest high powered sports cars. If you want one in excellent condition you are looking at a quarter of a million dollars. The original GTAm are probably even more. You can get an improved GTAm reproduction of your own from ALFAHolics. They are amazing but be prepared to pay big bucks....but they will make most super cars look like snails. Another member of our club has one and it also has carbon fiber doors, hood, trunk, and lots of other trick stuff.
There are many errors in the video, like the claim the Tipo 33 open cockpit TT12 had limited success. It won two world championships 74 and 75 for makes, and every single race in 1977.
Quite agree...and please remember..this (new) GTA IS a 4 door saloon car!!! Ermmmmm...please read my other comments...
Salve, Barata!
Yep, and the Am is not named for being lightweight, despite the fact it is. It is the Sprint GT "Am"erica.
The first seconds of the video made me smile, just like the little part at 8:22. Thanks for that !
...Times when 4cyl engines still sounded good and the interiors of cars had a simple elegance. (and no huge screens)
Absolutely agree, i had a big grin on my face exactly at those two moments. ^^
Haha I was like "that doesnt sound very good...ooooh. OOOHhH! Yes it does!"
Ah, yes. finally what we have all been waiting for.
and still waiting
@@Pedro-qm1of lol
Poor Man's Petrolicious Porn.
Adore this piece of film. Feedback point: more noises, of both the new and the old one! Keep it up, DTS :)
I see old Alfa’s I click... lotto dreams
Beautiful video explaining why I love this brand so much ! Just a bit disappointed that the new Giulia GTA doesn't bear the same racing heritage... It's still one of the very best drivers cars out there !
The '60s Alfa GTA is just fantastic. The sound of that engine is bliss. Not sure how the modern, much heavier, ZF 8 speed equipped, 4 door Giulia is similar but I enjoyed the first 3/4 of this video very much. Well done Derek
Despite making FWD cars for the past 30 years, they HAVE still managed great success on the global stage, both on and off the race track. The 155 dominated in BTCC guise and the 156 is one of their all time best sellers. Not to mention privateers using the Giulietta in WTCC series with abundant winnings, only hope to see some Giulias giving the germans a run for their money like they did back in 90s DTM.
But otherwise, a great and factual feature 👏🏽
Both GTA's a wonderful cars, but I will gladly give you two of the new ones Tuesday, for one of the old ones today.
Well done, DTS, thank you!
it is so enjoyable to listen to an enthusiast like Derek talk about Alfas. Your videos are getting better and better!
Yup, Im an owner of a new Alfa Giulia. for 4 years now….And i Absolutely Love it. came from a series 3 BMW( which i liked a lot). But The Alfa is so engaging, Visceral, Fun with a truly timeless look. I don’t think ill ever switch Brand from now on.
Great work with this. Love that in-cabin sound!
I loved this pure and analytical view into the Alfa GTA legacy...I learned a lot and look forward to future Alfa breakthroughs!
I drive an Alfa Stelvio Q4 TI Sport...and she is my dream-car...no matter what road and no matter what weather!
Long live the Biscione!
Brilliant film. Would love to see more driving footage of both cars for future reference. Great work Hyphen!
Derek, I am disappointed you didn't get to drive that GTAm yourself. Looks actually like you didn't even see it in the flesh. Sneaky European footage. Thanks for the breakdown of what makes them so special, I didn't realize they were not aluminum, but a much more exotic alloy.
This is a really great video! Very informative, well produced, a good length and pace.
Also Alfas!
Subscribed!
"Spicy variants"
Derek, you are great.
Great video! lesson in history and heritage. Great content bro👌🥇
Absolutely brilliant video.....keep up the good work!
What's really amazing is just how much better looking the old one is. And just how much better the visibility out of it is...
Thank you for another great video.
It would be great if you could also do a special on Jochen Rindt and other racing drivers to connect them with the special cars that they have driven over the course of their careers.
I had a friend (RIP) who was racing GTAs in the late Sixties. This friend told me he went to a historical race in southern Germany. He used to own an Alfa Romeo dealership fifty years ago and he knew how to work on classic Alfa Romeos: He told me: Of all the GTAs on the track there was only ONE that sounded right and was really properly tuned. (I think the original GTA is actually a car meant for the track and is not really a street car). There are only a hand full of people left who have the knowledge to work on those classics.
I have another friend who owned a street version of the GTA way back. A mechanic I know well owned a Alfa Romeo GTAm and he attended historical races with it about 5 years ago.
The new Giulia is a revelation at least from the optical point of view. An Italian friend who owned Lancias for nearly fifty years bought one: A sensational Beauty.
Last week I could drive a 66 Duetto we have in our family. While it is not up to the modern standard when it comes to comfort it is still a blast to drive. Even my Grandma used to own several Giulias. The old Giulia was never beautiful, but a great car. I remember when they sold street versions of the original 33. Testers in Europe said that they were not good as a street car. Extremely low, extremely rough.
Great video and that Alfa looks sick.
Really cool video. The classic Giulia's are a thing of beauty.
The modern one, was a great step in the right direction for Alfa, although it lacks the racing heritage previous Alfa saloons as the 155 and 156 had.
Bel video molto ben fatto bravo! Saluti dall'Italia 🇮🇹
You MUST go the the Alfa Museum! Best in the world! I've owned Ferraris including a Challenge Stradale, M-cars, AMG, and have 3 911s now including two GT3s. My Quadrifoglio is 3 years old and every time I get in it I still say "Goody goody goody!" It's my favorite car ever, and it's impossible to explain why it's so emotionally addictive.
Love the GTA! I crewed for one in the early 90s. So light.
A brilliant piece, full of facts and brilliantly edited. Thank you. Alfa Romeo. Best car brand ever. Shout it out :-)
Fantastic.
ISSIMI is the most substantial (as in "contains substance") of the automotive channels. So much rich, worthy content. Really enjoyed the overview of Alfa's historic successes in racing.
P.S. The GTAm is oh so desirable. TBH, I would love one with the same looks and chassis, but ~300hp and a manual. More than enough, even lighter, and more fun.
Loved this video
Despite having the less desirable FWD chassis for the 156, it is one of if not the most successful touring car during its era.
Well done! I LOVE the Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm. Such a beautiful car and an amazing performer which is why they are all sold out. I just wished the Giulia Quadrifoglio was offered in a manual. That would make that car even more special.
Brilliant video thanks
Nice footage of Trento Bondone!
Great video DTS. Gawd....that is a pretty car!
I’m almost positive that DTS didn’t need to do any research in order to narrate this video 😆
Man I love these videos
Nice job on the research 👍
No mention of their unique rear transaxle! Seriously, one of the coolest most brilliant drivetrain layouts ever conceived and we’re talking about hollowed drive shafts and alloy body panels?
@richardbixler there was no mention of the transaxle because the setup was never used on the 105/115 series.
@@coffeelover1535 My memory failed me. I thought that it was a trademark design feature similar to the 911. I see that they didn’t start using transaxles until the 70’s. Thanks for correcting me 🤗
Watched not only for the history lesson, but especially for the glimpses of BMW 1800 TI/SAs on track.
ive got a classic GTA replica. my pride and joy, absolutely love It
There is a massive difference between the GTA and the GTAm which you have not mentioned. The GTAm is not a widened GT Alleggerita, but rather a 1750 gtv with fiberglass fenders, doors trunk lid and hood. A 1750 block increased to 2 liter and a narrow fuel injected head. Many fail to check these significant differences.
Great video!
I think the GTA is the most beautiful of the normal looking cars. EVER.
not just the end of the gasoline powered cars, but also the end of the *lightweight* gasoline-powered cars. Lotus just announced the end to their Elise/Exige series, and even the Emira is the last gasoline "light-ish" weight sports cars. Maybe not a super limited series GTA/GTAm, but this led me to acquiring an Alfa Romeo 4C.
An interesting fact and omission from your presentation, prior to the development of the GTA, Alfa, developed the Giulia TI Super which was a lightened and tuned version of the Giulia 1600 sedan and went racing with this car, successfully.
Nice episode.
The gta sounds absolutely incredible
Great sound
I love this car! Wish I could afford one!
ditto!!
Thanks, Hyphen. This was great info I didn't know.
One criticism: you gotta work on reciting a script without sounding like you're reading it.
And he needs to do better research.
When will you produce a study on the history of the AC Aceca, Ace and the evolution to the AC Cobra ?
New car looks very cool (and crazy powerful). But I just can’t get over the weigh figures for the old cars. I know it’s down to modern safety systems etc in the newer car. But I just keep coming back to the Lotus approach of “add lightness”. When you drive a lightweight car, it’s an eye opener! 😎
Alfa has tried. The recently withdrawn 4C was such a car under 1 ton with all the necessary safety equipment on it to be road legal in the 2010s. OK it isn't your primary car nor the Giulia Sprint GTA was at that time. But of course the cars are heavier than they were in the 60s to 80s, but lighter than they were 10-15 years ago.
If we look at the V12 Lambos for example. In 1973 when the first production Countach hit the customer it was 1080 kgs which became 1490 kg by the end of the 80s in its last iteration. Another decade later the Murciélago was presented with 1820 kg on the scale (which was the weight of the heaviest version of the W126 Mercedes S-Class back in the 80s). Then one another decade later they were able to scrub a whoppy 200 kgs from it for the Aventador still keeping the 4WD system and all the doodads it has to carry.
So we are back on track with weight reduction but we never get back to the level where the cars were at the turn of the 60s and 70s. All the safety and comfort equipment means weight and you can't offer cars without them let it be the reason legislative or driven by the customers' requirements.
The vid hasn't been puplished yet and there is a dislike already, umm, are you sore laddy?
alternatively, it could be a Fuck Premiere downvote.. we will never know..
@@Wirenfeldt1990 opening a premiere to downvote it is very sad
Probably a Porsche owner
Some people forget to take their meds
@@mo-hammadabunaser1367 in the beginning it was a bit of a mess.. so a fair few people avoid it.. I also doubt your average UA-cam viewer gives a crap about sharing the viewing experience with a bunch of other people..
Fabulous!
Search 'Chris Harris Drives The Alfaholics GTA-R 290' for a sweet sound.
My next-door neighbour has a new car.
It looks so good and sounds amazing.
Had a couple of drives in it and it's a monster of a car full of feeling and passion, a real alfa.
I see why he bought it but his wife doesn't agree at all.
She said she wanted a new ford puma or similar shape then continued to point at a Vauxhall Mokka, I think she noticed the look we both gave while she retreated from us two talking cars for the next hour or so :)
The most beautiful cars
As Italian I’m totally in love with Giulia GT and on of my biggest dream is to own she one day ❤️
The TZ2 and 33 Stradale are 2 of the most stunning cars ever. Others that hit the same feeling for me are the Porsche 904, Ferrari 330P4, Chaparral 2D, Prince R380-II, Toyota 2000 GT, and the Daihatsu P5.
Yes every single one of these is a mid-late 1960s sports car.
My 156 gta sw is certainly a heavy beast.....but that engine!! It's all good 💪
i have 156 2.4 jtdm 20v its ok fast
@@filip-pi9hy remapped, it has plenty power and oodles of torque. Properly uprated, it wont be much slower than the GTA and, in some scenarios, it'll be faster. Addictive torque though....clutch eater lolololol
@@psircos clutch nope but dual mass flywheel baring is plastic that sucks ass i have crashed my at 170kmh and broken a rib on 19.12.2020 shity year for me
This and the Nissan Skyline C10 generation coupe are probably the most beautiful coupes ever produced IMO.
thank youuu😍😍
Outstanding work DTS (dare I say Hyphen? :D)! The only "complaint" I have is the microphone quality, which could be improved. Keep pushing the limits and you will outclass #jasoncammisa in no time! 😉
Well done Derek!
Damn.. one good looking car
This is very special ....
Timeless design...
Nice detail on the background. Actually the history is far more interesting to me than the new car. But I didn’t hear mention of how much the GTA race car weighed after they took all the weight out?
1800 pounds
I've put 30K on my Giulia Ti Sport and its been the best car I've ever owned, far more fun and reliable than my last 3 german cars. Also some of the best sport seats at any price.
FINALLY!
Thanks Hyphen!
One day, I’ll own an Alfa Romeo Giulia.
they shouldnt have cancelled the new 8C and GTV
Alfa finally makes a car worth buying, and then makes it so limited that you cant buy one. Great~
FORZA Alfa Romeo !
1:21 is that the Trento-Bondone hillclimb?
Do you think they will make a GTA for the American market?
I don't think the Alfa Tipo 33 had only limited success as it won the 1975 World Sportscar Championship with total dominance winning 7 of the 8 races (not counting the Daytona race as with exception of Porsche no significant team has attended). And its last iteration in 1977 won all 8 races, but it's true in that year the series had a lower reputation and because of the absence of other car manufacturers and the loss of overseas events in 1978 it became European Sportscar Championship which finally came to an end by the end of the year.
But even in its early form it won the 2-litre category finishing on 3rd position overall in the championship behind the 7-litre Ford GT and the 3-litre Porsche 907/908. In 1971 it was 2nd behind Porsche with the newly developed 3-litre engine.
whats those old movie style footage from?
those rear fenders extensions looks straight out Aliexpress
Classy, dignified, well principled - in other words; a complete opposite of Jason Cammisa 😆
Good informational video, but the narrator talks in detail about the road and race GTA 1600 cars. Whereas the white old Giulia in the video is the later GTAM, the 2 litre engined race only car with mechanical fuel injection, narrow angle "testa stretta" head, of which there was no street homologation car.
The tipo 33 tt12 had "limited success"? It dominated world sports car racing in the 70s with two world championships. In 1977 it won the championship by winning every single race.
Yeah and about 30 years i want to see a video, where this GTA/M dominated the touring car championship for 10 years.
Few acronyms are as evocative in motoring as G T A
Oo v oO
❤ Alfa Romeo 🇮🇹 👍 🍀
Alfa'holics GTA is one of the best-looking cars and said to be one of the best handling cars out there!
Shame about the price :(
You don’t need all of what Alfaholics have done...great as much as their car is..many reckon it’s a bit of a “Frankenstein” car now. You could get a very good early 70’s car (with the 4 headlights and retro fit the wider wings (as Autodelta went along with steel panels during this time..although the 1300 Step Nose remained aluminium panelled with the wider arches and lovely 13 inch rims)
Just a thought..so if you are still dreaming...you could make it a reality...I have...
I got a blank canvas Alfa 105 from South Africa...Step Nose conversion..aluminium front wings and front valance. It’s got a 1750 in it which many of the purists actually prefer to a 2.0 litre! I would say even with the time and effort put into it..it’s probably worth circa £30-35k...not bad considering Alfaholics offering at circa £250k!
ALSO..FOR THE RECORD...I AM..NOT...SLATING Alfaholics...just stating you DO NOT need to spend that amount of money to get a VERY GOOD running, usable classic that to be honest..with today’s engineering (mine) is probably as good as an original 105 GTA..JUST...
I want an Alfa like the BMW 1M. Two door and for drivers that would be a car a real Alfa Romeo gta. Someone tell Alfa to listen to its fans.
❤❤❤❤
Is Alpha actually making the new guilia GTAm? I thought that dev was cancelled...
They will deliver them this year but cost the double of the basic Quadrifoglio model.
GTA and GTAm will be produced. But planned Giulia coupe and new 8c are postponed
I was deeply in love with my Alfa 159 SW. But the reliability... it cost me more than 10000€ in repairs and maintenance in just 5 years. I have broken down 4 times and the car was in repair for a total of about 3 months. This was just too much for me for a daily driver.
Gorgeous 😍 😍 😍
Still automatic, turbo, and quite literally almost twice as heavy as the original.
Man I miss simple, light fun cars.
italy gets manuals
BTS with DT-S :)
This is basically the end game for car enthusiasts, only 15 years left
Nah, we will find a niche in the electric car age for us enthusiasts...will take some doing and may be a different experience but only time will tell
@@triaxe-mmb you can't be a car enthusiast without an ICE. Electric cars aren't really cars, they're appliances.
@@victoralley708 yes like a refrigerator. EVs will never dominate motorsports because no matter what they do on the battery technology it will still be a fraction in energy density and will always be heavy.
@@victoralley708 most cars are appliances...I guarantee there will be true performance vehicles out there with electric power trains in next 10 yrs. I love ICE performance vehicles but new ICE vehicle are gonna be extinct in the next 2 decades or so....as the tech behind electric gets better, they will prove performance:weight relationship
I have an 1969 1750 spider that was parked for 23 years until one day I saw it under a tarp , I bought it for 2500.00 dollars . A month later the guys wanted to buy it back after they found out what they are worth now, I said no , Im keeping it.