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This was actually fuqin fuuuuunnnyyyy. It reminds me of my buddy who was court ordered to anger management classes, and he said, "I don't have anger problems, people just need to stop pissing me off."
Okay, Thrawn says specifically, "My eyes see a slightly different spectrum than yours," and every source says that Chiss eyes "edge slightly into the infrared spectrum." You gotta take that word SLIGHTLY into account. Thrawn says to the Afe clan leader Joko that he wanted to "observe the crops in the moonlight...Sometimes the altered spectrum offers clues." All this tells me that Thrawn likely does not see human faces as glowing orange and red blobs. He's not a FLIR camera. I suspect it's not much different as when our own eyes see someone visibly blush.
Yeah I wasn't trying to imply he sees like FLIR camera. It does say he sees heat differences, even which parts of the face heat up specifically in different people. I think took the visual to literally I just don't know how to interestingly show that he sees heat differences in a face. If I remember, I edit it only on his face. Obviously I don't mean that it is only the face, the fact the whole screen wasn't FLIR like shows I'm not saying this is exactly what it was like to see through his eyes
yeah i dont think he implied that, he only mentioned how they are able to see changes in temperature in people kinda like infrared. and yeah they do, they are able to see heat signatures with their sight. but not at a level like predator.
@@rushthezeppelin No they would see it kind of like bioluminescence and it would be extra colours like a colour or two added to the rainbow or perhaps shifted slightly down to infrared. {Maybe he can't see purple :O) It would not be like an IR camera because that translates it into information our eyes can pick up, it would be more akin to the kind of colours birds of prey can see but since chiss don't have the whole IR spectrum it would be limited than an eagle that can see trails of heat in the snow for example. IR radiation isn't heat, it's light that's given off as a by-product to heat so considering the human body is only 37.5 C then it would be a fairly dim glow.
@@MetaNerdzLore It's pretty easy to find out using a near infrared bulb (like for security/night vision, not heat lamp) and your phone. Sit in a well-lit room and take a selfie. Then turn the IR bulb on and take another selfie. Compare the differenes: That's how Thrawn sees the world. Digital cameras can easily see into the near infrared. Even if you don't have an actual IR bulb, you can confirm it by pointing a remote at your camera and hitting a button, you can see the light blink through the camera, but not with your naked eye.
A Swiss Chiss named Chris was full of bliss when he fell into an abyss. He chooses to dismiss this ominous fact, not wanting his happiness to go amiss. He fell down the abyss when he got distracted while he threw diss after diss at his enemy, who happened to be his sis. It was only then that this Chiss was to miss a step and come crashing down, giving him bliss as he chose to reminisce. Edit: Not sure what this was, just kind of popped into my head.
Imagine beaing the best and getting out mached by a rag tag fleet, some plucky rebels and a failed jedi. Everybody has a plan till you hit them in the mouth.
Thrawn is my favorite character in the EU(Legends). The Thrawn trilogy really should have been episodes 7, 8 and 9. They were some of the best books in the EU, not to mention they were the ones that introduced us to Mara Jade.
One of my most memorable summaries to the lethally duplicitous nature of Chiss society comes from *Star Wars: the Old Republic* (SW:TOR) *MMO-RPG.* This came from passing through a Sith Empire base on Hoth, from a trio of (NPC) Imperial Snow Troopers in casual conversation... - [Snow Trooper #1]: I never thought I could feel any colder on this blasted ice rock, until I caught a couple of Chiss looking down upon me with those creepy blank eyes of theirs. - [(younger) Snow Trooper #2]: I don't know, I find their women to be rather...exotic. - [(older) Snow Trooper #3]: Trust me, lad. If you don't want to be found lying dead somewhere, with a couple of daggers buried in you, you'll steer well clear of that lot. Even years after having left SW:TOR, that casual (NPC) conversation stuck in my memory. *:)* Thanks for uploading this, *MetaNerdz Lore.* :)
The issue of their force connection being a result of their culture is still viable if you take into account the values the Chiss seem to have. Generally speaking the Force does not respond well to methodological approaches, such as overt scientific investigation. Attempts to clone force wielders, or use the blood of force sensitives, or to try and use the force in larger predictable ways is usually either viewed as a dark side ability, or simply fails because it's not reliable. The Chiss are an archetype of a race who value (in general) logic and more secular forms of cultural expression. In no book that I'm aware of do the Chiss engage in any domestic religions or spiritual activities connected to religious practices. This may be (in a way) a sort of cultural blind sot for them brought about by a racial disposition towards a more sensible grasp of a universe that has an aspect to it that defies sensibleness (the Force). Therefore, even though they want for there to be a means by which their skywalkers can extend their precognition into adulthood, they may be on the whole actually incapable of seeing how to do it. In the most recent of the Thrawn books, it is several times mentioned that study into the means by which skywalkers actually work is standardised and largely unexplored. Basic things like how long they can be expected to use their abilities before tiring is known, but not applied individually, and a deeper understanding of the cycles skywalkers operate in when using their abilities is apparently largely not understood. From this I determine that the largely systematic approach Chiss seem to employ, which gives them great cultural cohesion in a system based on ambition and meritocracy, and lethal military prowess, also seems to at least partially blind them to an aspect of reality that simply does not work the way the rest of the universe seems to.
Yeah, in a video on Togruta MetaNerdz said they have lower than average midichlorian amount, but due to their 'in-tune with nature' philosophy they seem to have relatively the greatest numer of force wielders of any species (besides yodlings). So if you do the opposite and go full scientific technocracy, you'll get lower force attuned number.
@@Gniew2 Do you reckon that we're falling into the same trap by overanalyzing this? The Force is kind of a douche jerking people around just for asking questions or expecting something to act in predictable ways.
@@Anglomachian Again, agreed :) Not to mention that those guys at Lucas Arts/Disney never really had any consistency with their lore. I still remember when George Lucas presented the whole midichlorians thing :D So yes, whatever goes :)
@@Gniew2 Ah yes, midichlorians. Funny thing, I don't object to them as the mediums between sentient beings and the more mystical aspect of the Force, what I always objected to with them was the cock-teasing slap in the face they were to anyone who supposed that the Force could be comprehended in any meaningful way. If you're going to make up some woo-woo nonsense that's supposed to be all feelings and vague signs, that's fine, but don't try to ground it in science, or even science fiction. The point and the beauty of magic is that consistency simply becomes a word that describes pudding, and reality is just whatever vague and nebulous thing it is that realtors do.
@@AnglomachianI myself always thought about the Force in this 'mystical thing' way. That was all that episodes 3-6 have given us. So when it all came to some DNA scan in Phantom Menace and "he has so much midichlorians! He's the Chosen One!" I'm not going to lie, I was kinda dissapointed. I don't have a problem with the paranormal genetics like Bene Gesserit in Dune series, or mass effect in Mass Effect. But the way it was introduced was off-putting for me, to say the least :/
It is brilliant that their name Chiss is basically Chess with an i instead of an e. Understandable because Chess requires a lot of thought and the Chiss are a very intelligent species.
chess doesnt really require a lot of thought, just a basic understanding of strategy and reading your opponent is more in line with chess, more instinct. Chiss play a much more dangerous game as well, chess doesnt allow you to know your opponent and create overarching strategy to catch them of guard, that usually takes time and planning, something you dont really have in a chess match. and i think youre the only one whos made that awful connection.
@@qsnazer2584 because you hear ashoka ask where Is trawn hinting that he is still alive knowing he is acting behind the scenes cuzz he didn't make an appearance yet and if he is alive then ezra must be too DUH!
Some of this information changes a bit with the release of Thrawn: Ascendency: The Greater Good. Mainly, the nature and origin of the grysk, how they learned of the Ascendency despite their secretive nature and Thrawn's role in it all. So far, the new Thrawn series by Timothy Vahn have been really excellent and, as far as I know, are fully canon.
Also they left out a LOT of information from Ascendency: Chaos Rising. I am fairly certain they just compiled bunch of information from the starpedia page, as that has a lot of outdated/incorrect information that seems to match up with this. (as of my checking it a little bit ago.) And yes, they are fully cannon.
Thrawn is one of the few Imperial officers that I would willingly serve under... He wouldn't needlessly sacrifice his men's lives and he wasn't unnecessarily harsh. Everything that he did had purpose and reason behind it. If his subordinates failed in their tasks, he would help them to see their errors and would allow them the opportunity to redeem themselves in later engagements. He is what I would class as a "good" imperial.
well dang, the infiltration of the chiss could be used in the mandalorian season 3 or ahsoka because it would be awesome if they elaborated on that and showed alot more in live action. and as always love the content, i would not be surprised if another star wars lore youtuber uses this in their video's.
In canon, the Chiss are depicted as maturing at a similar rate to humans. In Star Wars: Thrawn Ascendancy, Chaos Rising by Timothy Zahn (canon), some of the characters are Chiss sky-walkers between 8 and 13 years old. They definitely not described or treated as equivalent to humans of twice their ages. They needed caregivers, as any human child would, on the ships they served. They were referred to as children, and other than the fact that they had roles of such great importance to safe navigation, they were treated much as human children of a similar age might be.
The Chiss are all around hella cool, and Thrawn is just a legend in every way. Blue bro is physically and socially exceptional, and is mentally god tier.
They are more utilitarian than socialist. As I’ve seen one guy say. And I agree No socialist nation would have ruling families or castes. Though people could move between the Castes if they prove themselves They are utilitarian in the best ways. Keeping the good parts of the utilitarian ideals. Like a strong central government. A strong military. While also avoiding many of the failings of them, like their are little or no decedent members of their government and their military isn’t in charge despite being a military society
@@chrisjansen1943 Kim dynasty as my biggest example. Though the Kim’s have long left communism as a central tenant. But still follow complete and utter authoritarianism. Most communist nations that are left at least have elections among the Politburo or whatever equivalent
The whole thing regarding the Grysk actually make me curious! So far they seem to be a re-canonication of the Yuzah Vong but not as ridiculous, maybe better versions that we could see someday.
Not really the same thing, but Thrawn once dressed in Mandalorian (at the time “bounty hunter”) armor in Legends to disguise himself on a mission. He was pretty badass but everyone was kinda “dang this guy’s a really weird bounty hunter...”
I hope we see in future appearances of Thrawn how unique he was among his own species, not just being a representative of the Chiss among Imperial humans. Only a handful of Chiss truly appreciated his special mind and protected him from political machinations he didn’t understand.
I'm re-reading the (new) Zahn (created the Chiss) Thrawn books. I also read the original EU books featuring Chiss. The new Ascendancy fills in many of your gaps: -You left out Ruling Family Irizi, Ar'alani's birth family. -The military is officially independent of any family, and not 'run' by the Nuruodo. (Though family rivalries are common on an interpersonal level.) -Chiss generally want to be left alone, and want nothing to do with being regional overseers. They'll cooporate with aliens only if they deem it necesaary for survival of The Ascendancy. -They are willing to bring in outsiders if they prove competant and are vouched for by a Chiss. Capt. Parck in EU rising to lead the Chiss/Imperial forces and Comm. Vanto in studying Chiss Skywalker genetics. I suggest this is a good grounding vid and then people should visit Wookiepedia. (Or just buy all the Zahn books...)
Jag Fel was mostly raised by the Chiss, and they wonder how he made it through his reckless teenage years. And he manage to earn star fighter command rank within their military before the age of thirty. novel " Out bound flight."
Some of this information, like why Csilla is an ice world is now outdated and I love it, I am NOT spoiling the newest book as to how it came to be an ice planet. xD Thrawn is cool-headed, stoic, and tactical, but Chiss as a whole are far more common to your regular humans, with the exception that culture brings them to highly value their family and the success of their family. It breeds distrust towards other families like the Mitth and the Irizi being rivals, and it is a flaw that's been used as a weapon against them. I'm interested in the theory of Chiss losing their abilities in the Force to contain the Mnngal-mnngal, but to be fair, Chiss could leave the Chaos any time they wanted to despite that, so just because they lose it in their mid age years, doesn't mean they couldn't leave for the lesser galaxy as they call it at any time. It's also hard to say whether the Chiss that were Force users in lesser space were simply a product of currently non-canon old republic lore, or if... over millenia, this stunted use of the Force was merely something that developed, and wasn't present in earlier parts of Chiss history. At the time of the GCW, there were no known Chiss Force users past their mid age years. They had hope that perhaps they found a Chiss who could continue their use of it, and she became a prized piece of research for the Chiss as to why she could continue her Force use while others couldn't. She was the only one. As far as hidden history, this is true. But certain specific families from the nine ruling families did have knowledge that they kept to themselves, as greatest secrets, those being the Irizi, and another family I can't remember because I can't picture the name since I listened to the book and didn't read it. xD Nuruodo is completely abrogated. Nuru is Thrawn's actual last name Mitth'raw'nuru. The word Odo.... I'm not going to spoil, read the book it's incredible. Sufficed to say it was given to Thrawn as a GREAT honor for things that he has done for one of the nine ruling families. But his name was originally Nuru, not Nuruodo. That's all I have time for today, I gotta go!
This was VERY helpful! I am about to start a SWRPG game and I am thinking of rolling a Chiss Spy undercover as archeologist. Trying to soak up as much lore as I can find for character's back story. Thanks a million!
The loss of Force ability in the Chiss likely has nothing to do with the region they come from. It's the same for many Force users in the SW galaxy. If the use of the Force isn't developed early, it stagnates. It is one of the reasons why the Jedi insist on training from a young age (another being ideological and questionable). The Chiss Ascendancy has no desire to encourage anyone to become a strong Force user that could challenge the power of the big families, so they only encourage "the sight" among children found to have that ability. These same children are told practically from birth that when they hit their teens they'll suddenly lose their abilities. So they believe it, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Force is very belief and emotion driven, and the belief that one will lose it with age alone is enough to block someone off from it. The Chiss also are a very pragmatic, non-spiritual people. Nothing in their society serves to guide anyone to have a real connection with the Force beyond what they use their children for. This is why even a Chiss can become a Jedi or a Sith when isolated, and I doubt it has anything to do with where they are in the galaxy. This applies to most people regardless of race too. It's really only rare exceptions like Luke Skywalker, who is so strong in the Force that he can be trained as an adult. Most go about their lives never knowing they were Force sensitive, and untrainable by the time they reach adulthood. They may have better than average dexterity or intelligence or something close to precognition, but nothing more than that can be developed. As Yoda said "you must unlearn what you have learned". Trying that with most young adults, and especially a culturally rigid Chiss, is near impossible. And without further guidance and developing a real connection with the Force, Chiss children aren't going to become Force users as adults. They'll be able to do their "party trick" level of Force ability up until the age they believe they can't. Because that's what they were taught to believe.
Makes sense. For example, all members of the Knights of Ren are Force-sensitives, but their Force abilities are hindered due to lack of training. This is also supported with one of Chiss sky-walkers, Vah'nya, retaining her Force abilities at the age of 22 years.
One theory I always had was the reason there were other Chiss in the galaxy at times was because the Chiss indeed wanted to study the rest of the galaxy and sent agents to infiltrate various levels and corners of galactic society, but over time a number of them came to like their new lives in the greater galaxy and abandoned their missions and allegiance to the Ascendancy. Those like Balderek, Sev'Rance Tann, Vandalor, and possibly even Spiker.
They practice exile, are a society of badasses, and have blue skinned human-looking women. There's got to be a small steady flow of Chiss into the Republic just spiraling off into their own lives. Exiles, turncoats, captive slaves, greedy folks running off to be bounty hunters, there's all sorts of logical causes.
I also love "Trawn" Yup "Trawn" Is great Tere is no greater character than "Trawn" Edit: in case anyone missed it, the title of the video initially said....Trawn
Excellent and informative. Thrawn was definitely my fav character in the Heir to the Empire series. Been a fan since '91. Keep on keepin' the Demons at bay, Venerable Chiss! - RESPECT.
Thank you for doing longer, in depth vids. I took a break from UA-cam recently, so I'm glad to binge all the vids you've made in the meantime. Keep it up!
The Chiss were introduced through Thrawn, one of the most dangerous threats the protagonists of Star Wars ever faced, because his strength was his *intelligence* - his tactical genius, not any Force abilities. He's a outlier in a Galaxy that seems defined by constant spats between Force Users, and it made him unique. To learn that Disney threw that away and made the Chiss dependent upon Force users to navigate cheapens his legacy, IMO. You'd think a people intelligent as them would recognize this obvious weakness and would have found a way to circumvent it. It doesn't make sense. As far as I'm concerned, the Thrawn Trilogy is, and always will be, the *true* sequel series.
People unfortunately assume the chiss are just like thrawn, when in the novels it’s shown many times that thrawn is way smarter than most chiss and is considered a genius, even super smart officers in the chiss defence forces are always astonished by thrawn’s intelligence, the chiss aren’t a race of thrawn clones, just like his genius is an anomaly amongst humans, it’s an anomaly amongst the chiss, even if the species was introduced through. Also the author of the thrawn novels who wrote the whole force navigators thing in the new Disney novels, is the same author who made the original thrawn trilogy, Timothy zahn, so this isn’t some Disney BS it’s his idea, unless (and I really doubt that) some Disney executive decided to force him to add that part, which I don’t see why they would do that since this isn’t featured in any other Star Wars story except for the thrawn novels
Awesome video, the whole storyline can be extremely confusing if you’re not caught up. Ezra speculation: Hearing all this I desperately want Ezra to have brought the Chimera to the unknown regions and join the Chiss against the Grysks. For the ultimate greater good of the galaxy, and most likely becoming a new type of force warrior abandoning the title of ‘Jedi’ (also morality and perspective shifts for the sweet sweet character development). And honestly if they didn’t do this then it would be a waste of all the build up of this storyline to not have Ezra be apart of this story especially involving the Ozyly-Eshembo. To me this is why he’s gone MIA for nearly 10 years, sworn to secrecy and loyalty to the Chiss. I’m also gonna guess he’s met someone at the very least because it has been 10 years, which is to be met with the condition of complete fealty to the Chiss in exchange for permission to be in a relationship, further cementing his ties to the ascendancy and making the quest for Ezra a lot more interesting if it’s revealed he is unable or doesn’t want to return. Maybe even the concept of what ‘Home’ is has changed for him after all this time; as a reminder Ezra will have been with Thrawn and the Chiss longer than he was with his parents (7 years), on the streets (7-8 years) or even with the ghost crew (4-5 years). I’m also hoping for this to introduce The Mother/Abeloth as the source of the Grysks unique abilities but can’t be too picky I guess.
I would theorize that the Chiss children lose their Force abilities due to a combination of things, Wild Space definitely being one. The other would be the cultural class system of the Chiss. Rigid and absolute, one lives to serve the whole...not the Force. We know from canon that the Force has a will of it's own. It has even pushed back at those that defied it or were trying to force it into serving themselves. It stands to reason that a young life spent in service to the needs of the ruling class only served to seperate them, further and further, from developing any relationship or deeper knowledge of the Force. As we saw in the Clone Wars movies focusing on the running of a war and neglecting the duties natural to a Jedi weakened their powers. Remember, from the time of the original force users, the Je'daii, one had to immerse themselves in study and contemplation to increase and master their powers.
Aesthetically, maybe, but lore wise I’d say that there aren’t many similarities between the two besides living underground. If anything I’d say the Drow have more similarities with the Sith (both value violence, hatred, and treachery, have a strict class hierarchy lead by a priestly class, and have slavery as a backbone of their society) and the Night Sisters (both are led by female mystics) than the Chiss.
Great video! Super helpful as a start, even though some info is altered a bit. The naming system reminds me of Russian and Slavic naming, with the patronymics
The idea that the Chiss lose there force conection has one big problem. In Thrawn Ascendancy the navigatior of the navigation guild are force users to and the are propably adults.
Children born with unnatural sight into another reality you say, that guide star ships around you say... the astra telepathica and the navis nobility would like to know your location.
that isnt how thrawn got his nuruodo name. he was Kivu'raw'nuru then got adopted and became Mitth'raw'nuru, he then did something for on of the former ruling families, cant remember what, and he was given a reward. that reward being adding odo to the end of his name. not sure where u got your info from, but im getting my info from the thrawn ascendancy books.
Very interesting. Marvel have been working on Star Wars since before New Hope, so some interesting terms between the two: The Celestals, especially Nal Nal and Knull the Venom God. Also nice to see Trawn developes in Disney's Askoa TV series.
They remind me so much of dark elves from elder scrolls. Their appearance, their caste system, the fact that they have different "houses" and stuff, and even their names sound kinda similar. I mean, elder scrolls did take some influence from the star wars universe, so they might've borrowed some concepts from the chiss.
“You could always join Maris and me for the language lessons. Commander Thrawn really is decent company.” “No thanks. You two want to aid and abet a potential enemy, be my guests. Not me.” “These people are not potential enemies, as you’d realize if you’d made any effort to get to know them. They’re very polite and extremely civilized.” “Yeah, well, the Hutts have a civilization, too, or so they say. Sorry, but it’ll take more than good manners to convince me the Chiss are harmless.” -Jorj Car’das, Dubrak Qennto & Maris Ferasi, on the Chiss
When a whole empire puts its necks on the line against an almost overwhelming enemy and the human empire still struggles to come to term with each other.
In other words, the Grysk are the new Yuuzan vong.(Doesn't surprise me since Timothy Zahn has written both canon and legends SW stories) I do wonder what disney canon will do with them but I doubt will ever see them on the big screen.
Thrawn's only real mistake in his entire leadership was seeking allies in an Empire driven by blind hatred, arrogance, and infighting among the Moffs and regional governors. I don't doubt that had the Republic prevailed over Sidious and Vader, he would have logically joined the Republic as it is the reigning galactic power. Thrawn wasn't about power, he wasn't about wanton murder and fear, he was all about respect. He showed his enemies exactly what he was capable of, all the while making his homeworld safer by keeping any attention away from his world and onto Imperial Affairs. He was a master tactician, merciful as far as an Imperial Grand Admiral can be, and genuinely inspired and motivated his troops not by blind killing, but by example. The other Admirals and Moffs did not hate Thrawn, they were consumed by personal jealousy over his successes and garnering the Emperor's favor. He hated Vader, often remarking he was just a brute and thug who scared his underlings into submission with force powers, not real leadership and intellect. Was this true? Not entirely, Vader's only real hangup was the hatred for all he had done and the destruction of his body at the hands of Kenobi. Not a lack of intellect. But in closing, Thrawn represented what a true Empire could be. Not the hatred, fear, or suffering Palpatine's Empire created. But a strong and just Empire, able to defend itself from all enemies, not just entrenched in petty political squabbles or intrigue and gossip. Not one entrenched in Force weilders and ancient religions. So with that being said, let's try this: Wh......where are we? Ezra said trying to get up after the powerful and dizzying hyperspace ride his "friends" forced him to take. Ensign!!! Said Thrawn, also clearing his head, position report!!!! Sir these readings make no sense!! What do you mean Ensign? Explain or be removed!! Sir, if the computers are correct, we have not only traveled an intergalactic distance ,but we have also traveled over a million years into the future. The star maps show absolutely NO reference to any fix points, buoys, or hyperspace lanes corresponding with our galaxy. Sir!!! Shouted another Ensign, this time a sensor technician, we have a ship bearing 030 mark 22 and sir........it is traveling at very low FTL. Hail it Ensign!!! Yes sir! Sir they have responded, their language is similar to ours ,it does not require droid translation or Unitran. They are demanding to speak to the Captain of this vessel. Put them on screen Ensign ,said Thrawn. Attention unidentified vessel, this is the ISS Enterprise, put your Captain on screen immediately, or you will be fired upon!!! My my ,he's in a hurry isn't he? Thrawn pushes a button, "This is Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Imperial Ship Chimaera, we have scanned your vessel, and while it is of rather quaint design, I doubt you would wish a confrontation, perhaps we could meet? I shall meet you aboard your vessel. And as Thrawn finished his final syllable, a shimmering light surrounded Thrawn and with a mere blink, he was on an alien vessel, familiar, yet so different. Impressive Thrawn said as a battery of heavily armed guards surrounded him, weapons drawn. Is this a form of teleportation? Thrawn asked. "I'll ask the questions" as a well muscled and chiseled man came forward. The cut of his uniform ,the hardness of the man's face, showed Thrawn he was dealing with a man who has not only seen many battles, but wears them like an unsheathed sword. And you are? Asked Thrawn. I am Captain Jean Luc Picard of the ISS Enterprise, I must say your ship is rather impressive, made of an unknown material and clearly supporting advanced shields and weapons. Also, we have detected a very advanced form of FTL drive we could not even imagine exists. So Grand Admiral, Picard gave a mocking bow, if you will so kindly allow my boarding party onto your ship, I might just be convinced to let you live. With the proper "compensation" of course. But of course Captain, where ARE my manners. Please take your boarding party and search my ship. But, you may find it a bit more "difficult" than you have surmised. Perhaps we can "come to an understanding" Captain? I am not here to fight you, I am a lost traveler from a lost galaxy, and I am search of allies like yourself. Go on........said Captain Picard.
Great research! Thank you so much. I enjoyed this greatly and hope to see this brought to film dissolving the sequels in favor of the Yuuzhan Vong story line.
Thrawn: "What can I do for you, Pellaeon?" Pellaeon: "Well, sir...I was thinking about our attack to recover Coruscant. About the millions of beings that will perish in the attack" Thrawn: "Is it any problem with that?" Pellaeon: "We are making this military campaign in order to create a powerfull government that will protect the galaxy from the Far Outsiders. But...If we kill all this people, what's the point of all of this?" Thrawn: "Listen, Pellaeon. If we don't attack Coruscant, the planet will suffer a far worse attack from the Far Outsiders in the future and the weak New Republic will unable to repel them. All these things we are doing are for the greater good." Pellaeon: "Even if that means destroying the most populated planet in the galaxy in cold blood?" Thrawn: "Sometimes, cold blood is the key to salvation Anyway, I am having dinner right now. Would you mind if we continue this conversation later?" Pellaeon: "I...No, sir" *Leaves the room in which Thrawn is dinning* Thrawn: "Would you mind passing me the salt, Thrass?" *Thrawn then realizes he is completely alone, grabs himself the salt and continues with his dinner*
@@Klipik12 as someone already pointed out. Ruhk wasn’t a Chiss nor was a part of the Imperial Navy. Rather he was of a species called Noghri in whom the Empire and later Thrawn had used as commandos and assassins. After discovering the treachery that was from the armoire against Noghri, Ruhk killed Thrawn. In my opinion, one of the few mistakes Thrawn actually made. He had already the suspicion against the Noghri. He should have not employed Ruhk as a bodyguard when those suspicions were on the table.
Wow, now I really like the Chiss. I'm less about strict order, but the collecting data and using it to get the best outcome for yourself/your society/the world at large is cool.
according to the latest novels the chiss world freezing was a side effect of fending off an attack they faced a long time ago they triggered a super weapon that destroyed the enemy fleet invading csilla but it damaged their sun doesnt sound like chiss only became blue skinned after that... they were blue skinned before this, and had an empire before all of this happened too at least thats the latest from timothy zahn...
So, the Chiss have been one of my favorite Star Wars races since before we knew what they were called. To me, Legends Thrawn was basically the coolest Star Wars character who didn't use the Force, and his tactical brilliance, his use of art as an analytical, and hid ability to make even less efficient devices, like the hybrudium cloaking devices work well enough to trick Coruscant to surrender to him was just great. He's different enough now that I feel he's a different character, but I did enjoy his Rebels performance, as well as its use to return him to canon. Like others, this video has shown me some stuff I am less excited about; elements that make Chiss characters I've used, or wanted to, in the past, seem less viable, and that's too bad, but still a wonderful look at this cool, smart species.
i think youre spot on in your theory on why chiss cant use the force. i mean it stands to reason that if on our side of the galaxy they do become force users, then logically the weird anomaly they live in causes a sort of weak connection to the force. and i say weak because of the navigators, clearly the force still bleeds through.
I think you're wrong about chiss force use limitations. The way they abuse the sight, they lose it from a combination of over exhaustion destroying it, and a punishment from the force for that. Even though they were still working for the chiss, their spies' actions were still more inline with the force than the chiss way, which could easily explain why they can still wield it as adults. The lack of nearly fatal child labor definitely helped them.
The Grysks sound a little like the aliens from the Independence Day movies. A rather interesting canon stand-in for the Yuuzan Vong but I still hope the Vong will become canon again some day.
It's so good to have a new video from you! I'm sincerely hoping everything is going well in your personal life and with those close to you. This weekend I'll be watching your at-at vid while building my new Lego set of it!
Thrawns name was Mith,raw,nuru after he was adopted by the Mith. He acquired the odo suffix from a rare ceremony by house Stybla making his new name Mith,raw,nurodo. Even though much of this videos info has been made outdated by the newest Thrawn novels I still enjoyed the video.
This video really helped me come up with a cool background for a Starwars 5e character also made for a fantastic hero forge mini, thanks. Honestly thought the Chiss were all hype before this vid.
While much of the information is outdated in light of the recent Thrawn Ascendancy trilogy there is still a lot of legends content i wasnt aware of i here!
One complaint I read against the book Thrawn Ascendancy - Greater Good was that Thrawn is barely in it, however what we do have is the first real look at the Chiss civilians. Fans see Thrawn as a super genius, but his fellow Chiss allies see him as merely above average intelligence and his enemies see him as reckless and lucky. In the book, various Chiss encounter a master manipulator who takes advantage of Chiss social ambitions, however many Chiss, from high to low class, are able to deduce the plot. We see that the average Chiss is intelligent and pragmatic, but their weakness is their social ambitions. Call it politics. Interestingly, where Thrawn is a tactical genius, he is also politically inept, the very thing that Chiss society values. This may explain why we admire Thrawn more than his own people do.
I believe you forgot to mention Nom Anor mentioning in the New Jedi Order series that the Vong probed entry in to this galaxy via another route and were beaten back by a exceptional military force implying it was the Chiss (at least to me) as it was implied after the Truce at Bakura when the New Republic arrived at the Ssi-Ruuk home world to find it already devastated by an unknown species, again implying in was the Chiss (if you look at the map Bakura is on the edge of Chiss space). Just wanted to add that, excellent video thanx.
Hey man... The star wars sequel trilogy should have been based in an intergalactic invasion from another nearby galaxy of a machine / cyborg race. The race would have conquered the last galaxy, and the point of the prophecy of having balance in the force was to provide the galaxy with the best chance of defeating the machine race. It could have also explored freedom and other stuff with droids in the galaxy, and would have had a backdrop of the clone wars (where machines were mass produced for war). It would have made sense as a progression for the story.
Legends say that a copy of all rick & morty seasons ever made was sent to the star wars galaxy through a space time anomaly, and that it landed on the Chiss homeworld. Once the Chiss watched it all, their intelegence increased 10 fold and they became the most intelegent species in the galaxy...
If you liked this video, check out the breakdown of the Sith species.
Sith Species COMPLETE History | 100,000 Years of Darkness
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Chiss be like: we aren’t better than you, you’re just lesser than us
No amount of force heal or bacta will make that burn go away.
@@magatetus for real
These words can cut deeper than a Lightsaber
This was actually fuqin fuuuuunnnyyyy. It reminds me of my buddy who was court ordered to anger management classes, and he said, "I don't have anger problems, people just need to stop pissing me off."
@@moguldamongrel3054 the fact that a court can tell you to go take a class to make you a soft liberal is so beyond disgusting it is barely believable
The species that views knowledge as the greatest weapon of all.
like their star trek version says "if knowledge is power, to be unknow is to be unconquerable"
@TRIUMPHANT i am a simpler comenter a plain and simpler comenter
@@anuvisraa5786 i think you meant unconquerable
That makes them the most fearsome species no wonder Thrawn was such a genius tactician
Except for the bartender from Jedi Outcast
Okay, Thrawn says specifically, "My eyes see a slightly different spectrum than yours," and every source says that Chiss eyes "edge slightly into the infrared spectrum." You gotta take that word SLIGHTLY into account. Thrawn says to the Afe clan leader Joko that he wanted to "observe the crops in the moonlight...Sometimes the altered spectrum offers clues."
All this tells me that Thrawn likely does not see human faces as glowing orange and red blobs. He's not a FLIR camera. I suspect it's not much different as when our own eyes see someone visibly blush.
Yeah I wasn't trying to imply he sees like FLIR camera. It does say he sees heat differences, even which parts of the face heat up specifically in different people. I think took the visual to literally I just don't know how to interestingly show that he sees heat differences in a face. If I remember, I edit it only on his face. Obviously I don't mean that it is only the face, the fact the whole screen wasn't FLIR like shows I'm not saying this is exactly what it was like to see through his eyes
yeah i dont think he implied that, he only mentioned how they are able to see changes in temperature in people kinda like infrared. and yeah they do, they are able to see heat signatures with their sight. but not at a level like predator.
Actually if Chiss see heat then they do see far IR like a FLIR camera.
@@rushthezeppelin No they would see it kind of like bioluminescence and it would be extra colours like a colour or two added to the rainbow or perhaps shifted slightly down to infrared. {Maybe he can't see purple :O) It would not be like an IR camera because that translates it into information our eyes can pick up, it would be more akin to the kind of colours birds of prey can see but since chiss don't have the whole IR spectrum it would be limited than an eagle that can see trails of heat in the snow for example. IR radiation isn't heat, it's light that's given off as a by-product to heat so considering the human body is only 37.5 C then it would be a fairly dim glow.
@@MetaNerdzLore It's pretty easy to find out using a near infrared bulb (like for security/night vision, not heat lamp) and your phone. Sit in a well-lit room and take a selfie. Then turn the IR bulb on and take another selfie. Compare the differenes: That's how Thrawn sees the world.
Digital cameras can easily see into the near infrared. Even if you don't have an actual IR bulb, you can confirm it by pointing a remote at your camera and hitting a button, you can see the light blink through the camera, but not with your naked eye.
The Chiss are like, a species that almost take the mindset of a scp style universe, all boiled into protecting the galaxy at large.
Hell yes they are! I now have to go binge watch SCP Overlord and Dollhouse :D
@@moriorinvictus9054 okay
scp?.
@@lartus8027 are you asking what SCP is?
@@diogene_s8032 I was yes but have since looked up scp overlord and what scp is.
A Swiss Chiss named Chris was full of bliss when he fell into an abyss. He chooses to dismiss this ominous fact, not wanting his happiness to go amiss. He fell down the abyss when he got distracted while he threw diss after diss at his enemy, who happened to be his sis. It was only then that this Chiss was to miss a step and come crashing down, giving him bliss as he chose to reminisce.
Edit: Not sure what this was, just kind of popped into my head.
When Dr. Seuss writes the Thrawn series.
It ryhmes, so that is all that matters.
It's poetry it rhymes
I want to know how long this takes you to think
@@pm7353 I laughed for three minutes. XD
We're simply the best.
I agree with you and I admire you Grand Admiral. Do you remember me? I’m the Mandalorian artist.
Chiss women certainly mature fast don't they?
@Ecard Ecardian Well, I'd hate to be the one that breaks it to you, but...
Imagine beaing the best and getting out mached by a rag tag fleet, some plucky rebels and a failed jedi. Everybody has a plan till you hit them in the mouth.
I agree grand admiral.
Thrawn is my favorite character in the EU(Legends). The Thrawn trilogy really should have been episodes 7, 8 and 9. They were some of the best books in the EU, not to mention they were the ones that introduced us to Mara Jade.
Actually, Thrawn is a canon character.
@@chasetoyama8184 he is in both
And the Noghri
@@chasetoyama8184 he never said he wasn't, just that he's his favorite character in Legends
Same I love all the thrawn books so good
When MetaNerdz uploads after 1 month: A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
I’d say we were lucky, but _in my experience, there’s no such thing as luck_
I missed them
Based solely off of Thrawns appreciation of art in Rebels, I'm gonna guess that their infrared vision is likely a little subtler than that.
Well yeah idk how else to show it
@@MetaNerdzLore The Secret rise up solo
One of my most memorable summaries to the lethally duplicitous nature of Chiss society comes from *Star Wars: the Old Republic* (SW:TOR) *MMO-RPG.* This came from passing through a Sith Empire base on Hoth, from a trio of (NPC) Imperial Snow Troopers in casual conversation...
- [Snow Trooper #1]: I never thought I could feel any colder on this blasted ice rock, until I caught a couple of Chiss looking down upon me with those creepy blank eyes of theirs.
- [(younger) Snow Trooper #2]: I don't know, I find their women to be rather...exotic.
- [(older) Snow Trooper #3]: Trust me, lad. If you don't want to be found lying dead somewhere, with a couple of daggers buried in you, you'll steer well clear of that lot.
Even years after having left SW:TOR, that casual (NPC) conversation stuck in my memory. *:)*
Thanks for uploading this, *MetaNerdz Lore.* :)
Yea when they cookie cluttered the game it killed it
The younger trooper got the right spirit.
The issue of their force connection being a result of their culture is still viable if you take into account the values the Chiss seem to have. Generally speaking the Force does not respond well to methodological approaches, such as overt scientific investigation. Attempts to clone force wielders, or use the blood of force sensitives, or to try and use the force in larger predictable ways is usually either viewed as a dark side ability, or simply fails because it's not reliable.
The Chiss are an archetype of a race who value (in general) logic and more secular forms of cultural expression. In no book that I'm aware of do the Chiss engage in any domestic religions or spiritual activities connected to religious practices. This may be (in a way) a sort of cultural blind sot for them brought about by a racial disposition towards a more sensible grasp of a universe that has an aspect to it that defies sensibleness (the Force).
Therefore, even though they want for there to be a means by which their skywalkers can extend their precognition into adulthood, they may be on the whole actually incapable of seeing how to do it. In the most recent of the Thrawn books, it is several times mentioned that study into the means by which skywalkers actually work is standardised and largely unexplored. Basic things like how long they can be expected to use their abilities before tiring is known, but not applied individually, and a deeper understanding of the cycles skywalkers operate in when using their abilities is apparently largely not understood.
From this I determine that the largely systematic approach Chiss seem to employ, which gives them great cultural cohesion in a system based on ambition and meritocracy, and lethal military prowess, also seems to at least partially blind them to an aspect of reality that simply does not work the way the rest of the universe seems to.
Yeah, in a video on Togruta MetaNerdz said they have lower than average midichlorian amount, but due to their 'in-tune with nature' philosophy they seem to have relatively the greatest numer of force wielders of any species (besides yodlings). So if you do the opposite and go full scientific technocracy, you'll get lower force attuned number.
@@Gniew2 Do you reckon that we're falling into the same trap by overanalyzing this? The Force is kind of a douche jerking people around just for asking questions or expecting something to act in predictable ways.
@@Anglomachian Again, agreed :) Not to mention that those guys at Lucas Arts/Disney never really had any consistency with their lore. I still remember when George Lucas presented the whole midichlorians thing :D
So yes, whatever goes :)
@@Gniew2 Ah yes, midichlorians. Funny thing, I don't object to them as the mediums between sentient beings and the more mystical aspect of the Force, what I always objected to with them was the cock-teasing slap in the face they were to anyone who supposed that the Force could be comprehended in any meaningful way.
If you're going to make up some woo-woo nonsense that's supposed to be all feelings and vague signs, that's fine, but don't try to ground it in science, or even science fiction.
The point and the beauty of magic is that consistency simply becomes a word that describes pudding, and reality is just whatever vague and nebulous thing it is that realtors do.
@@AnglomachianI myself always thought about the Force in this 'mystical thing' way. That was all that episodes 3-6 have given us. So when it all came to some DNA scan in Phantom Menace and "he has so much midichlorians! He's the Chosen One!" I'm not going to lie, I was kinda dissapointed. I don't have a problem with the paranormal genetics like Bene Gesserit in Dune series, or mass effect in Mass Effect. But the way it was introduced was off-putting for me, to say the least :/
It is brilliant that their name Chiss is basically Chess with an i instead of an e. Understandable because Chess requires a lot of thought and the Chiss are a very intelligent species.
chess doesnt really require a lot of thought, just a basic understanding of strategy and reading your opponent is more in line with chess, more instinct. Chiss play a much more dangerous game as well, chess doesnt allow you to know your opponent and create overarching strategy to catch them of guard, that usually takes time and planning, something you dont really have in a chess match. and i think youre the only one whos made that awful connection.
@@Aqsticgod okay... Interesting -_-
It only requires you to know openings after that it's a fight for controling the center
Chess has been solved ✅
@@Aqsticgod 🤓
Thrawn was briefly mentioned in season 2 of the Mandolorian. He better be in the Ahsoka series.
He is confirmed.
maybe in the ahsoka series her and sabine will go out to find ezra and thrawn
@@qsnazer2584 they know trawn is acting behind the scenes and that's why they wanna find him so they might find ezra
@@justsomeone9627 how is thrawn acting behind the scenesif ezra took him to deep space??
@@qsnazer2584 because you hear ashoka ask where Is trawn hinting that he is still alive knowing he is acting behind the scenes cuzz he didn't make an appearance yet and if he is alive then ezra must be too DUH!
Me after watching this video: “but it was so artistically done”
May he rest in peaces, Mitth'raw'nuruodo (9ABY on Bilbringi) and of course his clone.
Saddest and dumbest death of all the EU
Some of this information changes a bit with the release of Thrawn: Ascendency: The Greater Good. Mainly, the nature and origin of the grysk, how they learned of the Ascendency despite their secretive nature and Thrawn's role in it all. So far, the new Thrawn series by Timothy Vahn have been really excellent and, as far as I know, are fully canon.
Also they left out a LOT of information from Ascendency: Chaos Rising. I am fairly certain they just compiled bunch of information from the starpedia page, as that has a lot of outdated/incorrect information that seems to match up with this. (as of my checking it a little bit ago.)
And yes, they are fully cannon.
Thrawn is one of the few Imperial officers that I would willingly serve under... He wouldn't needlessly sacrifice his men's lives and he wasn't unnecessarily harsh. Everything that he did had purpose and reason behind it. If his subordinates failed in their tasks, he would help them to see their errors and would allow them the opportunity to redeem themselves in later engagements. He is what I would class as a "good" imperial.
You’re confusing being good at your job with being politically good lmao
well dang, the infiltration of the chiss could be used in the mandalorian season 3 or ahsoka because it would be awesome if they elaborated on that and showed alot more in live action. and as always love the content, i would not be surprised if another star wars lore youtuber uses this in their video's.
In canon, the Chiss are depicted as maturing at a similar rate to humans. In Star Wars: Thrawn Ascendancy, Chaos Rising by Timothy Zahn (canon), some of the characters are Chiss sky-walkers between 8 and 13 years old. They definitely not described or treated as equivalent to humans of twice their ages. They needed caregivers, as any human child would, on the ships they served. They were referred to as children, and other than the fact that they had roles of such great importance to safe navigation, they were treated much as human children of a similar age might be.
I want to hear Grand Admiral Thrawn say, "Becky please. Let me smash."
i wanna hear darth maul say it
@@VivaCristoRei9
Lmao, I can hear it 🤣
The Chiss are all around hella cool, and Thrawn is just a legend in every way. Blue bro is physically and socially exceptional, and is mentally god tier.
Well yeah. It’s like if aliens only interaction with us was through military minds like Napoleon Bonaparte, Horatio Nelson, or Dwight Eisenhower.
YES i am reading the Thrawn novels and this will really help me understand it
edit: wow this is way more likes than I have got before thanks
Yep
Good luck with keeping up with Mr Blue *;)*
There are some big spoilers!!!
@@MetaNerdzLore thanks but i don't really care about the spoilers I just like following the story
Hello there
The ad is fitting because I feel like Thrawn would listen to all the audiobooks you just named.
Yes. Thrawn like to read lots of books, but he often just doesnt have the free time, dealing with threats from the unknown regions.
31:29 Kyle Katarn. Just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions.
And a bad@ss beard, because why not
And a pretty good UA-cam channel
Oh yeah, many people have those
@@otavio8566 Lightsabers?
@@s.k.8263 questions
They are more utilitarian than socialist. As I’ve seen one guy say. And I agree
No socialist nation would have ruling families or castes.
Though people could move between the Castes if they prove themselves
They are utilitarian in the best ways. Keeping the good parts of the utilitarian ideals. Like a strong central government. A strong military. While also avoiding many of the failings of them, like their are little or no decedent members of their government and their military isn’t in charge despite being a military society
every socialist nation has ruling families.
@@nullskull6860 what an insightful retort
"No socialist nation would have ruling families or castes." You're joking right?
@@chrisjansen1943 Kim dynasty as my biggest example. Though the Kim’s have long left communism as a central tenant. But still follow complete and utter authoritarianism.
Most communist nations that are left at least have elections among the Politburo or whatever equivalent
@@kristiankepley5944 doesn't matter if they are public figures. every communist country has had elites. and they have never treated the others fairly.
The whole thing regarding the Grysk actually make me curious! So far they seem to be a re-canonication of the Yuzah Vong but not as ridiculous, maybe better versions that we could see someday.
I want to see what one of them looks like. Or was that dude in the image in this video
accurate?
Imagine what a mandalorian chiss could do.
@Not 049 exactly
Here's the answer: You won't get to imagine it, cause you'll be dead before you can process the thought just by how absolutely deadly they would be.
It's why I always play chiss no matter the class in SWTOR
@@transformationcoach_ethan wow I really hate that, it's such a boring character... Op god OCS are so annoying
Not really the same thing, but Thrawn once dressed in Mandalorian (at the time “bounty hunter”) armor in Legends to disguise himself on a mission. He was pretty badass but everyone was kinda “dang this guy’s a really weird bounty hunter...”
was trying to look up thrawn action figures right as this came out 😂
Omg now I want one
Their are few out there, 6" out now. Hurry tho, scalpers. Targets maybe
I hope we see in future appearances of Thrawn how unique he was among his own species, not just being a representative of the Chiss among Imperial humans. Only a handful of Chiss truly appreciated his special mind and protected him from political machinations he didn’t understand.
I'm re-reading the (new) Zahn (created the Chiss) Thrawn books. I also read the original EU books featuring Chiss. The new Ascendancy fills in many of your gaps:
-You left out Ruling Family Irizi, Ar'alani's birth family.
-The military is officially independent of any family, and not 'run' by the Nuruodo. (Though family rivalries are common on an interpersonal level.)
-Chiss generally want to be left alone, and want nothing to do with being regional overseers. They'll cooporate with aliens only if they deem it necesaary for survival of The Ascendancy.
-They are willing to bring in outsiders if they prove competant and are vouched for by a Chiss. Capt. Parck in EU rising to lead the Chiss/Imperial forces and Comm. Vanto in studying Chiss Skywalker genetics.
I suggest this is a good grounding vid and then people should visit Wookiepedia. (Or just buy all the Zahn books...)
Jag Fel was mostly raised by the Chiss, and they wonder how he made it through his reckless teenage years. And he manage to earn star fighter command rank within their military before the age of thirty. novel " Out bound flight."
Fun fact: Csilla is a female name in Hungary
Hmm...interesting.
The Chiss Language also seems to be pronounced similarly to Hungarian
@@hellcat_axg Also the Chiss culture have some similar things to the Japanese Culture that's why they are polite and methodic like the japanese
@@giancarlolugo9586 sure buddy
@@giancarlolugo9586 eeehhhhh
Learning more about Thrawn and his people always makes me fall more in love with him and his character 🥰
Some of this information, like why Csilla is an ice world is now outdated and I love it, I am NOT spoiling the newest book as to how it came to be an ice planet. xD Thrawn is cool-headed, stoic, and tactical, but Chiss as a whole are far more common to your regular humans, with the exception that culture brings them to highly value their family and the success of their family. It breeds distrust towards other families like the Mitth and the Irizi being rivals, and it is a flaw that's been used as a weapon against them.
I'm interested in the theory of Chiss losing their abilities in the Force to contain the Mnngal-mnngal, but to be fair, Chiss could leave the Chaos any time they wanted to despite that, so just because they lose it in their mid age years, doesn't mean they couldn't leave for the lesser galaxy as they call it at any time.
It's also hard to say whether the Chiss that were Force users in lesser space were simply a product of currently non-canon old republic lore, or if... over millenia, this stunted use of the Force was merely something that developed, and wasn't present in earlier parts of Chiss history. At the time of the GCW, there were no known Chiss Force users past their mid age years. They had hope that perhaps they found a Chiss who could continue their use of it, and she became a prized piece of research for the Chiss as to why she could continue her Force use while others couldn't. She was the only one.
As far as hidden history, this is true. But certain specific families from the nine ruling families did have knowledge that they kept to themselves, as greatest secrets, those being the Irizi, and another family I can't remember because I can't picture the name since I listened to the book and didn't read it. xD
Nuruodo is completely abrogated. Nuru is Thrawn's actual last name Mitth'raw'nuru. The word Odo.... I'm not going to spoil, read the book it's incredible. Sufficed to say it was given to Thrawn as a GREAT honor for things that he has done for one of the nine ruling families. But his name was originally Nuru, not Nuruodo. That's all I have time for today, I gotta go!
Great comment!
The Chiss have fast become my favorite species in Star Wars.
This was VERY helpful! I am about to start a SWRPG game and I am thinking of rolling a Chiss Spy undercover as archeologist. Trying to soak up as much lore as I can find for character's back story. Thanks a million!
The loss of Force ability in the Chiss likely has nothing to do with the region they come from. It's the same for many Force users in the SW galaxy. If the use of the Force isn't developed early, it stagnates. It is one of the reasons why the Jedi insist on training from a young age (another being ideological and questionable). The Chiss Ascendancy has no desire to encourage anyone to become a strong Force user that could challenge the power of the big families, so they only encourage "the sight" among children found to have that ability. These same children are told practically from birth that when they hit their teens they'll suddenly lose their abilities. So they believe it, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The Force is very belief and emotion driven, and the belief that one will lose it with age alone is enough to block someone off from it. The Chiss also are a very pragmatic, non-spiritual people. Nothing in their society serves to guide anyone to have a real connection with the Force beyond what they use their children for. This is why even a Chiss can become a Jedi or a Sith when isolated, and I doubt it has anything to do with where they are in the galaxy.
This applies to most people regardless of race too. It's really only rare exceptions like Luke Skywalker, who is so strong in the Force that he can be trained as an adult. Most go about their lives never knowing they were Force sensitive, and untrainable by the time they reach adulthood. They may have better than average dexterity or intelligence or something close to precognition, but nothing more than that can be developed.
As Yoda said "you must unlearn what you have learned". Trying that with most young adults, and especially a culturally rigid Chiss, is near impossible. And without further guidance and developing a real connection with the Force, Chiss children aren't going to become Force users as adults. They'll be able to do their "party trick" level of Force ability up until the age they believe they can't. Because that's what they were taught to believe.
Makes sense. For example, all members of the Knights of Ren are Force-sensitives, but their Force abilities are hindered due to lack of training. This is also supported with one of Chiss sky-walkers, Vah'nya, retaining her Force abilities at the age of 22 years.
One theory I always had was the reason there were other Chiss in the galaxy at times was because the Chiss indeed wanted to study the rest of the galaxy and sent agents to infiltrate various levels and corners of galactic society, but over time a number of them came to like their new lives in the greater galaxy and abandoned their missions and allegiance to the Ascendancy.
Those like Balderek, Sev'Rance Tann, Vandalor, and possibly even Spiker.
They practice exile, are a society of badasses, and have blue skinned human-looking women. There's got to be a small steady flow of Chiss into the Republic just spiraling off into their own lives. Exiles, turncoats, captive slaves, greedy folks running off to be bounty hunters, there's all sorts of logical causes.
I also love "Trawn"
Yup "Trawn"
Is great
Tere is no greater character than "Trawn"
Edit: in case anyone missed it, the title of the video initially said....Trawn
*The Letter “H”:* _F¥ck this sh1t, I’m out_
Trawn is the greatest
Is still says it for me
Dat.... "Trawn"....!
From what I’ve been seeing, the Chiss are pretty much the equivalent to the Vulcans from Star Trek.
MUCH less chill, however. They can have a temper on them, and watch out if you insult their pride.
Definitely have emotions though, thats for sure.
Excellent and informative. Thrawn was definitely my fav character in the Heir to the Empire series. Been a fan since '91. Keep on keepin' the Demons at bay, Venerable Chiss! - RESPECT.
Thank you for doing longer, in depth vids. I took a break from UA-cam recently, so I'm glad to binge all the vids you've made in the meantime. Keep it up!
The Chiss were introduced through Thrawn, one of the most dangerous threats the protagonists of Star Wars ever faced, because his strength was his *intelligence* - his tactical genius, not any Force abilities. He's a outlier in a Galaxy that seems defined by constant spats between Force Users, and it made him unique. To learn that Disney threw that away and made the Chiss dependent upon Force users to navigate cheapens his legacy, IMO. You'd think a people intelligent as them would recognize this obvious weakness and would have found a way to circumvent it. It doesn't make sense.
As far as I'm concerned, the Thrawn Trilogy is, and always will be, the *true* sequel series.
People unfortunately assume the chiss are just like thrawn, when in the novels it’s shown many times that thrawn is way smarter than most chiss and is considered a genius, even super smart officers in the chiss defence forces are always astonished by thrawn’s intelligence, the chiss aren’t a race of thrawn clones, just like his genius is an anomaly amongst humans, it’s an anomaly amongst the chiss, even if the species was introduced through.
Also the author of the thrawn novels who wrote the whole force navigators thing in the new Disney novels, is the same author who made the original thrawn trilogy, Timothy zahn, so this isn’t some Disney BS it’s his idea, unless (and I really doubt that) some Disney executive decided to force him to add that part, which I don’t see why they would do that since this isn’t featured in any other Star Wars story except for the thrawn novels
Awesome video, the whole storyline can be extremely confusing if you’re not caught up.
Ezra speculation:
Hearing all this I desperately want Ezra to have brought the Chimera to the unknown regions and join the Chiss against the Grysks. For the ultimate greater good of the galaxy, and most likely becoming a new type of force warrior abandoning the title of ‘Jedi’ (also morality and perspective shifts for the sweet sweet character development).
And honestly if they didn’t do this then it would be a waste of all the build up of this storyline to not have Ezra be apart of this story especially involving the Ozyly-Eshembo.
To me this is why he’s gone MIA for nearly 10 years, sworn to secrecy and loyalty to the Chiss.
I’m also gonna guess he’s met someone at the very least because it has been 10 years, which is to be met with the condition of complete fealty to the Chiss in exchange for permission to be in a relationship, further cementing his ties to the ascendancy and making the quest for Ezra a lot more interesting if it’s revealed he is unable or doesn’t want to return. Maybe even the concept of what ‘Home’ is has changed for him after all this time; as a reminder Ezra will have been with Thrawn and the Chiss longer than he was with his parents (7 years), on the streets (7-8 years) or even with the ghost crew (4-5 years).
I’m also hoping for this to introduce The Mother/Abeloth as the source of the Grysks unique abilities but can’t be too picky I guess.
finnaly someone gets it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love having auto-captions on. Every time it pops up with “Ricotta” I chuckle.
I would theorize that the Chiss children lose their Force abilities due to a combination of things, Wild Space definitely being one. The other would be the cultural class system of the Chiss. Rigid and absolute, one lives to serve the whole...not the Force.
We know from canon that the Force has a will of it's own. It has even pushed back at those that defied it or were trying to force it into serving themselves.
It stands to reason that a young life spent in service to the needs of the ruling class only served to seperate them, further and further, from developing any relationship or deeper knowledge of the Force.
As we saw in the Clone Wars movies focusing on the running of a war and neglecting the duties natural to a Jedi weakened their powers.
Remember, from the time of the original force users, the Je'daii, one had to immerse themselves in study and contemplation to increase and master their powers.
The Chiss are awesome and all, but I can't seem to shake this notion that they are the Star Wars answer to D&D's Dark Elves...
I mean, they are basically still Humans. Just like the Drow, their environment just affected them.
they are more star wars vercion of the romulans and dyd take some tings from the romulas to make the drows
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That what been saying... I see no real difference between our subspecies. That's all we are.
Yeah, i was thinking something rather familiar. Theyre drow without lloth.
Aesthetically, maybe, but lore wise I’d say that there aren’t many similarities between the two besides living underground. If anything I’d say the Drow have more similarities with the Sith (both value violence, hatred, and treachery, have a strict class hierarchy lead by a priestly class, and have slavery as a backbone of their society) and the Night Sisters (both are led by female mystics) than the Chiss.
Great video! Super helpful as a start, even though some info is altered a bit. The naming system reminds me of Russian and Slavic naming, with the patronymics
Thanks and that is interesting, and yeah I'll have to update this soon
I love how the Chiss Ascendancy is basically space Switzerland
The idea that the Chiss lose there force conection has one big problem. In Thrawn Ascendancy the navigatior of the navigation guild are force users to and the are propably adults.
Children born with unnatural sight into another reality you say, that guide star ships around you say... the astra telepathica and the navis nobility would like to know your location.
All of these are basically spin-off of Dune's navigator guild.
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that isnt how thrawn got his nuruodo name. he was Kivu'raw'nuru then got adopted and became Mitth'raw'nuru, he then did something for on of the former ruling families, cant remember what, and he was given a reward. that reward being adding odo to the end of his name. not sure where u got your info from, but im getting my info from the thrawn ascendancy books.
Very interesting. Marvel have been working on Star Wars since before New Hope, so some interesting terms between the two: The Celestals, especially Nal Nal and Knull the Venom God. Also nice to see Trawn developes in Disney's Askoa TV series.
The video quality just keeps improving, keep it up, side note the audio sounded a bit off but it's fine
They remind me so much of dark elves from elder scrolls. Their appearance, their caste system, the fact that they have different "houses" and stuff, and even their names sound kinda similar. I mean, elder scrolls did take some influence from the star wars universe, so they might've borrowed some concepts from the chiss.
The Chiss are definitely the best species and most underrated in Star Wars
7:39 ah yes, the 2 meter tall Javas
i was looking for this comment lol
lol yeah but maybe they mixed it with tusken raiders since they are the same species?
“You could always join Maris and me for the language lessons. Commander Thrawn really is decent company.”
“No thanks. You two want to aid and abet a potential enemy, be my guests. Not me.”
“These people are not potential enemies, as you’d realize if you’d made any effort to get to know them. They’re very polite and extremely civilized.”
“Yeah, well, the Hutts have a civilization, too, or so they say. Sorry, but it’ll take more than good manners to convince me the Chiss are harmless.”
-Jorj Car’das, Dubrak Qennto & Maris Ferasi, on the Chiss
When a whole empire puts its necks on the line against an almost overwhelming enemy and the human empire still struggles to come to term with each other.
MetaNerdz upload! I missed you for 1 month. Love your channel. Been rewatching all your videos.
In other words, the Grysk are the new Yuuzan vong.(Doesn't surprise me since Timothy Zahn has written both canon and legends SW stories) I do wonder what disney canon will do with them but I doubt will ever see them on the big screen.
This was a GREAT episode!
Thanks I have another species one coming this week
Thrawn's only real mistake in his entire leadership was seeking allies in an Empire driven by blind hatred, arrogance, and infighting among the Moffs and regional governors. I don't doubt that had the Republic prevailed over Sidious and Vader, he would have logically joined the Republic as it is the reigning galactic power. Thrawn wasn't about power, he wasn't about wanton murder and fear, he was all about respect.
He showed his enemies exactly what he was capable of, all the while making his homeworld safer by keeping any attention away from his world and onto Imperial Affairs. He was a master tactician, merciful as far as an Imperial Grand Admiral can be, and genuinely inspired and motivated his troops not by blind killing, but by example. The other Admirals and Moffs did not hate Thrawn, they were consumed by personal jealousy over his successes and garnering the Emperor's favor. He hated Vader, often remarking he was just a brute and thug who scared his underlings into submission with force powers, not real leadership and intellect. Was this true? Not entirely, Vader's only real hangup was the hatred for all he had done and the destruction of his body at the hands of Kenobi. Not a lack of intellect.
But in closing, Thrawn represented what a true Empire could be. Not the hatred, fear, or suffering Palpatine's Empire created. But a strong and just Empire, able to defend itself from all enemies, not just entrenched in petty political squabbles or intrigue and gossip. Not one entrenched in Force weilders and ancient religions. So with that being said, let's try this:
Wh......where are we? Ezra said trying to get up after the powerful and dizzying hyperspace ride his "friends" forced him to take. Ensign!!! Said Thrawn, also clearing his head, position report!!!! Sir these readings make no sense!! What do you mean Ensign? Explain or be removed!! Sir, if the computers are correct, we have not only traveled an intergalactic distance ,but we have also traveled over a million years into the future. The star maps show absolutely NO reference to any fix points, buoys, or hyperspace lanes corresponding with our galaxy. Sir!!! Shouted another Ensign, this time a sensor technician, we have a ship bearing 030 mark 22 and sir........it is traveling at very low FTL.
Hail it Ensign!!! Yes sir! Sir they have responded, their language is similar to ours ,it does not require droid translation or Unitran. They are demanding to speak to the Captain of this vessel. Put them on screen Ensign ,said Thrawn.
Attention unidentified vessel, this is the ISS Enterprise, put your Captain on screen immediately, or you will be fired upon!!! My my ,he's in a hurry isn't he? Thrawn pushes a button, "This is Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Imperial Ship Chimaera, we have scanned your vessel, and while it is of rather quaint design, I doubt you would wish a confrontation, perhaps we could meet? I shall meet you aboard your vessel.
And as Thrawn finished his final syllable, a shimmering light surrounded Thrawn and with a mere blink, he was on an alien vessel, familiar, yet so different. Impressive Thrawn said as a battery of heavily armed guards surrounded him, weapons drawn. Is this a form of teleportation? Thrawn asked. "I'll ask the questions" as a well muscled and chiseled man came forward. The cut of his uniform ,the hardness of the man's face, showed Thrawn he was dealing with a man who has not only seen many battles, but wears them like an unsheathed sword. And you are? Asked Thrawn. I am Captain Jean Luc Picard of the ISS Enterprise, I must say your ship is rather impressive, made of an unknown material and clearly supporting advanced shields and weapons. Also, we have detected a very advanced form of FTL drive we could not even imagine exists. So Grand Admiral, Picard gave a mocking bow, if you will so kindly allow my boarding party onto your ship, I might just be convinced to let you live. With the proper "compensation" of course.
But of course Captain, where ARE my manners. Please take your boarding party and search my ship. But, you may find it a bit more "difficult" than you have surmised. Perhaps we can "come to an understanding" Captain? I am not here to fight you, I am a lost traveler from a lost galaxy, and I am search of allies like yourself.
Go on........said Captain Picard.
I started to agreeing with you until I slowly got lost and why you putting Star Terk into Star Wars tho??
@@whytheheckarewedoinginhere1886 It's called a crossover. Star Trek's Terran Empire could have used a leader like Thrawn.
Listened to Heir to the Empire, loved it. Listening to Thrawn Alliances, loving it
I would love to see a video about seismic charges.
These guys are the definition of work smarter not harder
Great research! Thank you so much. I enjoyed this greatly and hope to see this brought to film dissolving the sequels in favor of the Yuuzhan Vong story line.
Loved it. The Chiss are such a great alien species with one of the very best characters in all of Star Wars: Thrawn.
There is only one Canon, and that is Legends.
Pilot: "We can't get there, there's interstellar anomalies beyond here!"
Co-Pilot: *"The spacetime thickens!"*
Thrawn: "What can I do for you, Pellaeon?"
Pellaeon: "Well, sir...I was thinking about our attack to recover Coruscant. About the millions of beings that will perish in the attack"
Thrawn: "Is it any problem with that?"
Pellaeon: "We are making this military campaign in order to create a powerfull government that will protect the galaxy from the Far Outsiders. But...If we kill all this people, what's the point of all of this?"
Thrawn: "Listen, Pellaeon. If we don't attack Coruscant, the planet will suffer a far worse attack from the Far Outsiders in the future and the weak New Republic will unable to repel them. All these things we are doing are for the greater good."
Pellaeon: "Even if that means destroying the most populated planet in the galaxy in cold blood?"
Thrawn: "Sometimes, cold blood is the key to salvation Anyway, I am having dinner right now. Would you mind if we continue this conversation later?"
Pellaeon: "I...No, sir" *Leaves the room in which Thrawn is dinning*
Thrawn: "Would you mind passing me the salt, Thrass?"
*Thrawn then realizes he is completely alone, grabs himself the salt and continues with his dinner*
if the Empire had heard Thrawn instead of Tarkin. perhaps the Empire would still exist.
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This clarifies greatly why he was assassinated by his own people
@@Klipik12 Rook wasn't a chiss
@@Klipik12 as someone already pointed out. Ruhk wasn’t a Chiss nor was a part of the Imperial Navy. Rather he was of a species called Noghri in whom the Empire and later Thrawn had used as commandos and assassins. After discovering the treachery that was from the armoire against Noghri, Ruhk killed Thrawn. In my opinion, one of the few mistakes Thrawn actually made. He had already the suspicion against the Noghri. He should have not employed Ruhk as a bodyguard when those suspicions were on the table.
Wow, now I really like the Chiss. I'm less about strict order, but the collecting data and using it to get the best outcome for yourself/your society/the world at large is cool.
House mitth is in charge of the military
according to the latest novels the chiss world freezing was a side effect of fending off an attack they faced a long time ago
they triggered a super weapon that destroyed the enemy fleet invading csilla but it damaged their sun
doesnt sound like chiss only became blue skinned after that... they were blue skinned before this, and had an empire before all of this happened too
at least thats the latest from timothy zahn...
So, the Chiss have been one of my favorite Star Wars races since before we knew what they were called. To me, Legends Thrawn was basically the coolest Star Wars character who didn't use the Force, and his tactical brilliance, his use of art as an analytical, and hid ability to make even less efficient devices, like the hybrudium cloaking devices work well enough to trick Coruscant to surrender to him was just great. He's different enough now that I feel he's a different character, but I did enjoy his Rebels performance, as well as its use to return him to canon. Like others, this video has shown me some stuff I am less excited about; elements that make Chiss characters I've used, or wanted to, in the past, seem less viable, and that's too bad, but still a wonderful look at this cool, smart species.
9:31 also, in Thrawn Alliances (2nd book in the trilogy) Thrawn explicitly says that force sensitive chiss lose their Force ability as they age
7:34 that's some tall ass javas!
i think youre spot on in your theory on why chiss cant use the force. i mean it stands to reason that if on our side of the galaxy they do become force users, then logically the weird anomaly they live in causes a sort of weak connection to the force. and i say weak because of the navigators, clearly the force still bleeds through.
I wonder if the Chiss had contacts with the Rakatans
I think how is goes is that they send out human colonies and they lost one of the ships and ended up in what became Chiss space
Seriously enjoying your work
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But there is no first comment, all I see is a void
is this what happens to those who say "First"?
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I think you're wrong about chiss force use limitations. The way they abuse the sight, they lose it from a combination of over exhaustion destroying it, and a punishment from the force for that. Even though they were still working for the chiss, their spies' actions were still more inline with the force than the chiss way, which could easily explain why they can still wield it as adults. The lack of nearly fatal child labor definitely helped them.
Mmmmmm so that's his back story
Anakin Skywalker, I would've thought someone of your reputation would be a bit, older.
@@TheCronq when you say older what do you mean
@@TheCronq do you mean my videos the those are a few years old so I just uploaded them for fun
@@anakinskywalkercrappyprodu2205 he’s quoting the movie lol
Welcome back, MetaNerdz!
The Grysks sound a little like the aliens from the Independence Day movies. A rather interesting canon stand-in for the Yuuzan Vong but I still hope the Vong will become canon again some day.
It's so good to have a new video from you! I'm sincerely hoping everything is going well in your personal life and with those close to you. This weekend I'll be watching your at-at vid while building my new Lego set of it!
Thrawns name was Mith,raw,nuru after he was adopted by the Mith. He acquired the odo suffix from a rare ceremony by house Stybla making his new name Mith,raw,nurodo. Even though much of this videos info has been made outdated by the newest Thrawn novels I still enjoyed the video.
This video really helped me come up with a cool background for a Starwars 5e character also made for a fantastic hero forge mini, thanks. Honestly thought the Chiss were all hype before this vid.
Chiss bartender? Who believes he's just casually serving drinks there?
While much of the information is outdated in light of the recent Thrawn Ascendancy trilogy there is still a lot of legends content i wasnt aware of i here!
One complaint I read against the book Thrawn Ascendancy - Greater Good was that Thrawn is barely in it, however what we do have is the first real look at the Chiss civilians. Fans see Thrawn as a super genius, but his fellow Chiss allies see him as merely above average intelligence and his enemies see him as reckless and lucky. In the book, various Chiss encounter a master manipulator who takes advantage of Chiss social ambitions, however many Chiss, from high to low class, are able to deduce the plot. We see that the average Chiss is intelligent and pragmatic, but their weakness is their social ambitions. Call it politics. Interestingly, where Thrawn is a tactical genius, he is also politically inept, the very thing that Chiss society values. This may explain why we admire Thrawn more than his own people do.
I believe you forgot to mention Nom Anor mentioning in the New Jedi Order series that the Vong probed entry in to this galaxy via another route and were beaten back by a exceptional military force implying it was the Chiss (at least to me) as it was implied after the Truce at Bakura when the New Republic arrived at the Ssi-Ruuk home world to find it already devastated by an unknown species, again implying in was the Chiss (if you look at the map Bakura is on the edge of Chiss space). Just wanted to add that, excellent video thanx.
"They are a little taller than humans messuring 1,85m and get a little older at 80 years."
So Chiss are the Dutch of Star Wars?
Yes
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I mentioned you on my comment on Generation Tech's new video and my comment got the most upvotes. We all miss you! I hope you're doing okay. 💕
Thank you for this comprehensive history.
Hey man...
The star wars sequel trilogy should have been based in an intergalactic invasion from another nearby galaxy of a machine / cyborg race.
The race would have conquered the last galaxy, and the point of the prophecy of having balance in the force was to provide the galaxy with the best chance of defeating the machine race.
It could have also explored freedom and other stuff with droids in the galaxy, and would have had a backdrop of the clone wars (where machines were mass produced for war). It would have made sense as a progression for the story.
Considering Star Trek's Borg are basically this, I don't think Star Wars could get away with such a similar cyborg race without getting sued.
Anyone who likes thrawn should watch a two hour comic with audio on UA-cam it's super good
Thrawn was such a pillar in history, that he became the face of his own species
Legends say that a copy of all rick & morty seasons ever made was sent to the star wars galaxy through a space time anomaly, and that it landed on the Chiss homeworld.
Once the Chiss watched it all, their intelegence increased 10 fold and they became the most intelegent species in the galaxy...